TriggerSmart Reviews Prosecution's Final Filing and Growing Questions About Lance Twiggs' Involvement

Chapter 1: Introduction and context

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Hello. Hello. Welcome in again. This is only my second show with this setup. So, let me know if you can

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hear me. Okay. Put a 5x5 or thumbs up or something in chat if you can hear me.

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Looks like you should be able to. Just want to make sure before I start talking a bunch.

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Yeah, I see some people saying Lance Twigs is the main player. A lot of people saying they think Lance might be involved.

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Someone says sounds good. Someone says they're deaf. I apologize. I do not know American Sign Language. My wife does.

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Maybe I learned it for some other Maybe I can sign as I'm talking from now on and that's what will set me apart from everybody else.

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All right. Awesome. So, it looks like sound is good there.

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So, what I'll do is we'll do our little intro here and then we'll get into the information. Um, I know Baron is going live at 2:30 in about half an hour and

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he'll be covering some of the same information I'm covering now. And then I also have some other stuff that I'm hitting. But uh the prosecution filed a

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few weeks back and then the defense came back in the Tyler Robinson case and they came with their counter and then now

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yesterday the prosecution came out once again and this is basically their final argument and then September 1st we have our final preliminary that decides if it

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goes to trial or not. So I'm going to get into this intro here. Make sure you guys hit the like, subscribe if you'd like to. Obviously, we appreciate everyone being here and your support.

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We're fanfunded and um this should be interesting. This should be an interesting one. If at any point you can't hear me or you can't hear the

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videos I play and stuff like that, please let me know. Like I said, this is only my second time in this whole new setup and I will get it adjusted. Utah

Chapter 2: Prosecution's filing review

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County prosecutors just filed a 19page reply telling Judge Tony F. Graph Jr.

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that Tyler Robinson's defense is not even contesting the core evidence. Now, I think this plays into what Baron's going to talk about later, or at least

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parts of it, is that people are taking out of context because if we look at this first paragraph of this memorandum, it basically says the prosecution is

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saying the defense is conceding all of these facts. meaning that all the information about his DNA, his location,

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you know, the texts, him saying that um basically admitting to it, they're saying that defense is basically conceding all of that because they

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haven't said anything against that really technically in these recent filings. Now, does that mean that that's true or that they're conceding anything

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or that Tyler's, you know, effectively guilty? Not necessarily. And we're going to dig a little bit more into that as

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well. So now let's see. Yep. I want say sound is loud and clear. All right, perfect.

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Now they say that Robinson crawled in the sniper's perch on the Lussy building roof to UVU, fired the fatal shot. They killed Charlie Kirk, hid the rifle in

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the wooded area, and discarded some of the clothing he was wearing, and also changed clothes at least once. They say up to like three or four times, possibly. And they told his roommate to

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delete the text about the shooting. Now, according to the state, the only real fights left are legal and death penalty

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aggravators. So, the state at this point believes that the defense has already conceded that Tyler is guilty. They just want to finagle or mess around with what

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the charges are, you know, eventually going to be, which that's what a lot of people are saying, especially online on that side of things. Right now, that's

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the framing the document filed yesterday, last night. two independent streams, Baron and Candace. Um, they basically placed new material next to

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the claim. So, there's a lot of people saying that Lance Twigs is very suspicious. Lance Twigs is of the two,

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if you just to put Tyler and Lance Twigs side by side, Lance would by far be the most suspicious one based on past experiences and things that we've heard

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about him, which granted it's here as well. You know, people say they heard that he attacked his grandparents with a knife or something similar. They heard

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that he was doing drugs, you know, black market drugs or something similar.

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That's all hearsay at this point, but doesn't look good, right? So, it looks like Baron Coleman walked through warrants. Um, I think there was four

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different warrants last night that he went through and I'm going to look at how those warrants apply to this me this memorandum and how it may actually go

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against it. So, um, in other words, it may help the defense. And then we have the interesting thing, very interesting thing was the blue backpack from Lance.

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Well, blue pack back at the house, I should say, had PVC, Raspberry Pi chips.

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Um, there was a man who told police that he helped them to escape. That's George Zen. And then Candace S released some footage of um, you know, behind behind

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the scenes, we'll say, of the SD card issue. So, we're going to look into all of that. and the state's filing says the case is straightforward and um you know

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we'll see is it straightforward. I mean if if you just read it if if you were who's a good if you were Gary if you

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were Gary in this case from Paramount Tactical and you were to read the first paragraph of this memorandum you would

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probably think that the defense has conceded that everything the prosecution has brought forward is true. That's what

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it would read like. But according to what I looked up, it says the implications of what [snorts] that means

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because this is only the preliminary and because this has not gone to trial yet is that they could just be saving their best for last. And that also goes for

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the we'll say alternative theories. The alternative theories of what may have happened. This would not be the stage for defense to bring that up. So,

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they're also arguing against that, saying that this is, you know, this is indicative that the defense doesn't believe in any of those theories and

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they're not looking into it. That's not true either technically.

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Now, this is the memorandum. And again, like I said, new setup, so let me know if you can see this. Give me a thumbs up

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in chat if you guys can see that document on the screen. What's going on, Octavia? I see you.

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Octavia Leavon's in the chat. She's the one that went over the prosecution and defense previous memorandums live with me.

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All right. Looks like you can see it.

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Perfect. All right. So, moving into this and Octavia, feel free to put all the information out there if you have it.

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Um, so this is the first sentence that we have here and it's it's interesting.

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The reply opens with a blunt assertion that sets the entire tone for the filing. Prosecution writes, "Defendant does not challenge the substance of the

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evidence, demonstrating that he was the person who crawled to the sniper's perch on the Losi building rooftop, fired the fatal shot that killed Charlie Kirk, hid

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the rifle in the wooded area, got rid of some of the clothing he was wearing, and told his roommate to delete their text about the shooting. rather he merely

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asserts the repeatedly rejected claim that the overwhelming evidence established some of these facts could not be introduced as reliable hearsay at

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this preliminary hearing. So according to this this first statement here, they're

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basically saying that Tyler Robinson and his defense are not disputing any of those details according

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to them. Then they'll list the counts that they say have no valid challenge on the facts. We have

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uh count one, let's see where we at. Count one, um is the the lease is murder, obviously.

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Count two, felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily injury. Counts three and four, obstruction of justice, and count five, tampering with the witness. So, they're saying that defense

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has not challenged any of that, which is interesting. Now, to me, someone who's been watching this and watching every hearing, that is kind of what, you know,

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that's what it sounds like to me when I read this as a lay person who's not a lawyer. But, um, I find it very interesting, you know, that it's coming.

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It's basically the prosecution is saying all these things happened. This is why he's guilty. Would you go to trial? And then pro or defense is just saying,

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well, you know, those those few aggravations that you have on there like they put someone else at risk and they put a child at risk. we don't agree with

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those. They're not saying that's not Tyler or they're not saying uh you know Tyler didn't do these specific things.

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You don't have proof. It's all hearsay.

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And I find that very interesting. But again, they don't have to do that at this stage. They can do that later if it actually goes to trial. Yeah. Some

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people are saying uh let's see, Ben Gay Voltra might be involved. That's always a possibility. Um this is the

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foundation. The state is asking Judge Graph to accept the who, the what, the where, and the basic sequence are in their view locked in. So, prosecution,

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like they said before, this is a open and shut case. This is done. They already won it before it even starts.

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The defense's earlier briefing took the opposite position. They argued that this the state's case rested heavily on hearsay that had never been assessed for

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reliability under the rules and that the capital aggravator simply was not proven to be probable cause standard. The reply

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is the state's formal answer to those lines of attack. So, the defense actually argued before

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that in their preliminary hearing briefing, they said that the state failed to establish probable cause on the sole aggravating circumstance that

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exposes him to the death penalty. So, we've seen this multiple times. They're trying to get the death penalty removed, and that was something that they've been asking for since early on. So in this

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case again they're saying that this aggravator these aggravators I should say one being that there was possibly a

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young child that could have been put at risk right or young children uh present in the vicinity and then also the fact that other people in general could be

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put in danger. That is what it appears to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, Octavia in chat, but it appears to me

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that they're basically saying that that that would be why he would be getting the death penalty put, you know, uh, considered is because of those two

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things. So, defense isn't necessarily trying to fight the entire case. They're trying to find they're trying to fight a small piece of it to get the death

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penalty removed. Now, that's interesting to me because if it was me, if I was a lawyer, again, I'm not, I would be like,

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uh, if I, especially if I knew he was innocent, I would definitely have mentioned that at some point that the stuff that they're asserting is not

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correct, but they didn't do that. They contended that the state's evidence on the point consisted largely of speculation. Again, we're back to that

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1102 hearsay, which is allowed in the preliminary stage. They also maintained a standing objection throughout the 5-day prel pre preliminary hearing that

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the bulk of the state's evidence was hearsay deemed reliable by rule without individualized reliability findings. So

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basically they're saying that most of what they're hearing in this case is supposed to be used against Tyler is hearsay.

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Okay. And I think that is also where Candace and Baron are sitting as well with this. So um let's see. Yeah. Now

Chapter 3: Duty of candor debate

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there's the canandor which um I've spoken to Baron about this and also spoke to Octavia about this. Let me get back to back here. Um so the way I

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understand this is there has been uh allegations from the prosecution that the defense have violated their ethical duty of cander. And I'll show that here.

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So it says defendants council ignore this controlling case law and have therefore violated their ethical duty of cander to the court. So based on what

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I've seen what that basically means is for the September 1st hearing judge graph of the accusation in front of him um it frames the defense's legal

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position as merely incor or not merely incorrect but ethically deficient.

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So prosecution is alleging that the defense is uh acting unethically in this case.

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Uh there could be disciplinary action.

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If it's true, a judge can refer counsel to the Utah State Bar. Now I'm not saying this will happen, but this is a possibility. And in high-profile capital

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litigation point uh this kind of cander is common basically. So and this would be considered definitely a high-profile

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litigation. So this may just be some of the dirty tactics going back and forth saying, "Hey, they're acting incorrectly. Hey, they're, you know, their cander is incorrect or whatever.

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There's other cander issues." So we might see that go back and forth. But I just brought it up because that can

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cause in some cases the Utah State Bar to, you know, strip licenses and things like that if it ever got to that point.

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So the prosecution is trying to undermine the credibility of the defense's legal framing heading into the bindover decision. So, not only is

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not only is the prosecution trying to say that they didn't even argue they didn't even argue the point that Tyler

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was there or that it was Tyler or that he, you know, climbed on the roof, took the shot, you know, told his roommate to hide the

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texts and hide the evidence. They're saying they're not fighting any of that.

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And they're also saying that they are acting unethically in this case. So, if

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you want to talk about a low bar for probable cause, I mean, it sounds like they're probably going to hit it at this point, unfortunately.

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So, let me [clears throat] see if there's anything else I want to talk about specific to that. Uh, let's see.

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Yeah. So, as far as the cander issue, it looks like it's specifically around a couple court

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cases and one of the court cases prosecution is saying that it was outdated. So, they're basically referencing outdated case law that is no longer relevant, which is interesting.

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And because defense council ignored the case law that rejects their logic, the state says they have violated their ethical duty of canandor to the

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tribunal. Very interesting. And it's not just a soft agreement. The prosecutors are telling the judge that the defense is misstating

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the law in a way that breaches professional obligations.

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Now, I know this isn't the most exciting content at this point. We're going to get into some more exciting stuff here in a minute, but I wanted to go over this because after talking to Baron and

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after talking to Octavia, this uh seems like the defense dropped the ball on this one. you know, it just seems like they they're really focusing

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on getting that death penalty removed and everything else. They're not necessarily fighting at this point. Now, again, they could right in trial, they

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could have a whole, you know, they could bring up John Bra theory and, you know, the staged uh well, I won't say how how

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can I say that um the staged Charlie Kirk situation uh where he's still around and things like that. They could

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talk about all of that, but that doesn't mean that they're going to bring it up now in the preliminaries. They're hoping they never get to or they're hoping they

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never get to the point where they actually go to trial in the first place, but I would hope they would fight for a lot more. And I see Octavia, she said,

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um, yeah, she Let's see. Can I pull this up? I think I can. There we go. Hey, look at that. My pop-up comments work.

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She says, "Duty of cander means an attorney cannot lie to the court." That is the fancy way of saying that. Okay.

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So, basically, um, prosecution is saying that defense lied. That's basically what it comes down to.

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Uh, let's see. I don't need to care about that. Um, prosecutors say that this easily establishes probable cause,

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that he knowingly created a great risk of death to at least one other person.

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They go further and claim the evidence is sus is sufficient for even um proof beyond a reasonable doubt. So, at this point, it looks like prosecution said

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this in the bag. They're saying that he put other people in danger, and I believe they're also trying to say that he put children in danger because there were children there.

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Now, how they're going to how they're going to figure that out. Um, I think that defense was saying that the hearsay was things like, you know, h how can you

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prove the exact position? How can you prove the exact position and angle and like who specifically was in the line of

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sight and things like that, right? So, they're arguing the details of the shot, but they're not arguing that there was a shot. They're not arguing that he was

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targeting Charlie. They're not arguing that it's Tyler Robinson. And this is the stuff that Octavia brought up before where she was, you know, she was pretty

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worked up. She she's like, "Well, they didn't even prove identity. you know, they they didn't officially prove identity in the preliminaries, yet

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defense isn't challenging that, at least not, you know, not enough, I guess. Um, I think they did mention something, but they're not really digging deep into it.

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And I I found that very interesting to me. Um, obviously, like I said, I'm not a lawyer, so maybe this is normal in the preliminary phase. And u for anyone

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that's interested, September 1st, we are going to do a live stream covering uh I think I know that Judge Graph is not going to make a decision that day. I

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know that for a fact. He said he was not, but it will be the final oral arguments from prosecution and defense

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in this case and I think it will be very interesting. So, make sure you guys check it out. I think I will be I think it'll be me and Valhalla again. Octavia

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is invited. So, if she would like to join us, Octavia in chat, uh you are more than welcome.

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Yep. Okay. So, um, now there's the physical and digital evidence that the state treats as uncontested. So, although the reply focuses on legal

Chapter 4: Evidence analysis

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standards, it repeatedly refers back to the body of evidence presented at the July preliminary hearing that the state says the defense is not seriously

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disputing the facts. That evidence includes surveillance video that investigators

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say tracks a figure identified as Robinson arriving on campus multiple times on September 10th, 2025, moving on

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to the Losi Center roof, crawling into position overlooking the amphitheater, and later fleeing. It also includes a screwdriver and disturbances in the

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gravel on the roof consistent with a prone position.

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There was a video that went out and it was believe it was Muppet Masher and he basically was saying that um he he

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actually went up there, you know, and I I think Coach Colin and I think other people have shown this already so I'm not going to show it again, but he went up to the roof and the gravel is, you

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know, pretty tightly packed from what he can tell. Meaning if you're walking across it, you're not likely to put, you know, footprints and things like that.

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So, some people are kind of arguing, well, if you walk across it, I don't know how big Muppet Masher is, but if you walk across that roof, there's a

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pretty good chance there's not going to be evidence of it. But then we have, you know, like the FBI markings for evidence where it showed like where his elbows

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and his knees and stuff were on that gravel.

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So, I'm not I'm not sure. I'm not sure if that should have shown. You know what I mean? So, but all that stuff will come out later on, I'm pretty sure. So, we

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have the screwdriver. Uh, we have the rifle.

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The rifle covered in a towel in the wooded area. And the thing about the screwdriver is so initially they were saying that the screwdriver was in the wooded area or kind of with everything

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else. And then later we had Cash Patel come out and say that the screwdriver was found on the roof. And then obviously Bagley backed that up and said that he found it on the roof.

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Kind of interesting. We have DNA.

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They're consistent with Robinson reported on the trigger, the firing casing, unfired cartridges, and the towel. Now, the thing that's interesting

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about the DNA, I keep hearing people say that the DNA is degraded. So, I I dug deeper into this, and again, I'm not a

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DNA expert. I'm not a biochemist. I'm not a sc I'm not a forensic scientist, but everything I can see it's very

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interesting. So degraded DNA can happen for a lot of reasons, mostly environmental. So you

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know you especially like UV rays, that's a big one if it's outdoors. And the rate of decay and degradation does not equal

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how long or how recent that DNA was deposited, if that makes sense. So if I take like if I have my water bottle, make sure I'm not showing any brands.

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I'm not sponsored by this company.

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[laughter]

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But if I take this and say my wife touched this before and my kid touched it and then I touch it last and then I

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take this outside and let it sit in the sun, the UV is going to hit that and it's going to degrade my DNA the most most likely because mine's on the

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highest level, right? So mine's mine's on top of the other DNA. So when they go to look at this, they could test it and they could say, "Hey, his DNA is the most degraded.

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Does that mean that mine's the oldest on there or that I'm the least um least indicated on this bottle? That's not how

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it works. So, unfortunately for a lot of people that are using the uh degraded DNA as like a smoking gun, it's just

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not. Unfortunately, uh let's see. We have the note left under a keyboard for the roommate that stated Robinson had the opportunity to

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take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it. That is um I want to see this stuff. You know what I mean? like

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hopefully, you know, if if it goes to trial, we'll see this stuff and it'll kind of put some of the stuff to rest or, you know, it'll show that, you know,

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people were right to be skeptical of all this stuff here. I mean, we've been we've been researching this for almost a year now. And, uh, speaking of that, we

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also have like statues and things are going to they're going to be going up. I think one in Time Square, so somewhere in New York, and the guy spent like he

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was trying to raise $100,000 for it, and he never hit the goal. But um that should be going up. And then let's see.

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Bonnie, let's see. You said, "Hey, Trigger Smart in chat. I didn't get a notification again." That's interesting. So, because of that, uh

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make sure if you do want to be subscribed that you double check and make sure you are subscribed. And then also hit the bell notification for all.

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So, Bonnie, for example, if you subscribed but you didn't select all notifications, you're only going to get the ones that YouTube thinks you

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deserve. So, and even with all, you only get the ones they think you deserve, but it makes it much more likely. But yeah, make sure you guys hit that like,

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subscribe, share this around. Um, this is uh this is interesting. Let's see if this works here.

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All right. Hey, my chat thing works. Awesome. Uh, let's see. I'm just looking to see.

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Octavia said something else. Make sure I don't miss it. I can't find it. That's all right.

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Um, hey, Unite Planet from UK. I see you, Tina. So, the statue, um, actually, let

Chapter 5: Aggravating factors

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me see if I can pull it up here really quick while we're doing this.

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The the guy was he was trying to raise 100K. I think this is it right here. Let me make sure it's not behind a payw wall.

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You never know with this stuff anymore. Uh, something popped up. Uh, what are they trying to sell me?

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[laughter]

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Uh, this might work. Let me see if I can pull this up for you guys and pull that down. Okay, so this is

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Sergio Fernari. Fernari said he thought the lifestyle sculpture, which no one commissioned, would raise millions of dollars, and he hasn't even been able to

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raise 100,000. Uh, he spent 100,000, but he was expecting a huge rush of money to come in. This is basically it.

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So, it says he was, you know, he's angry about it. Um, he's been getting messages from people saying that they intend to

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urinate on the sculpture, right? This is our society again. Um, Fernari recently broke his foot while working on the

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statue. Is it cursed? Maybe. I don't know. He told the Guardian. So, this guy thought he was doing the statue here, setting out to make a big difference and

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inspire people and honor Charlie. and instead he hasn't been able to raise the money. He's injured himself and people said they're going to piss on it. So

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yeah, I mean that kind of stuff is uh that's the world we live in unfortunately.

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And it looks like I wonder is this guy leftist or what? I'm trying to figure out I think this is him here. Can I pull this up? Yeah. So this is the guy Sergio

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and his pup. But this is the statue here. And you know, looks like uh just a basic Charlie Kirk with his jeans,

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shoes, and shirt and his mic. So he wanted $100,000. No, I guess he spent $100,000 to make it, which is insane to

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me. But um he said as of Thursday, he had raised 14 Holy crap. He only raised $1,400.

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Wow.

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spend 100k and raise 1,400. That is insane.

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I would Yeah, I would retire at that point. I'm not saying he's not good at it, but that's uh that's not good.

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Now, getting back to this, um they talked about the engravings on the casing, which read, "Hey, fascist catch." Um the state reply treats this constellation of evidence as the

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overwhelming foundation that the defense is not challenging on substance. So for the prosecution, I assume they're higher

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than the 75 to 85% that Andrew Wilson said was overwhelming for him. Uh but they're saying this is case is done at that point. And that claim is what makes

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the selective new materials we will examine next very significant.

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26 minutes, 8 seconds

So we have two additional enhancements on the charge of committing a violent offense in the presence of a child. Now this is some of the stuff I was telling

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you before. This is the stuff that is making it be pushed towards a death penalty. The defense argued there was no evidence Robinson knew a child was present.

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So if you look at the typical the typical setup of who would be there, right? The demographics is going to be, you know, high school

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and college students, maybe some of their parents. In this case, we had a lot of adults, but you would not typically expect, at least from what I've seen at other events, you don't

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expect to see a bunch of children running around, right?

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So, I I find it interesting that they would assume that if this was Tyler that he somehow knew that there

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were children there. U prosecutors answer that Robinson was in the amphitheater at least twice that morning. So, that is that's newer

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information to me. So, prosecutors answer that he was in the amphitheater at least twice, including eating lunch nearby, and that from the rooftop perch, he had a view of the entire crowd.

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27 minutes, 14 seconds

Now, there is something I wanted to show here. Again, I'm getting used to my setup, so please be patient with me.

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Uh, where is it?

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Is it here? No, I think it's Oh, here it is. Okay, so this is from Muppet Masher. And

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Muppet Masher was referenced by Baron as well. Um, he does a lot of good work.

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He's he's the main one that's figured out who's who, right? Which is very difficult to do. Um there says here surveillance video tracks accused

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Charlie Kirk assassin across the campus before meeting with TPSA staff members.

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Now remember they're saying that they're accusing Tyler Robinson of meeting with TPU a they said a staff member, but this

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says multiple staff members. And then we have this picture here. Can I zoom in? I can't. Um, actually, yeah, I can't I

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can't zoom in right now, but this this is the person here. And if you look at it, you know, first glance, it looks

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like there might be some long hair under a hat.

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Uh, is there a way? I really want to screenshot that and show it to you closer. Uh, let's see.

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See if I can be slick on the fly. Give me a second here.

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and see if I can pull this off in real time.

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Let's see. Screenshot and because I should be able to zoom in if I can get this to pop up.

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All right. Will this work? I think it works. There we go. All right. Look at that. Trigger smart doing it for you.

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All right. Now, if you look at this, they're saying or uh Muppet Masher, who again has identified basically everyone in the crowd. When I say everyone, I

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mean everyone. He like this is uh I'm making these names up. This is Susan Smith. She works here and she does this.

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This is Scott Johnson, you know, like he knows all this stuff. This is who the person is. They're saying met with TP USA staff and has that similar backpack

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and setup. But if you look in here, you can see that. See, it appears like there's longer hair.

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Now, it could just be shadow maybe. I mean, put it in chat. Put a one if you think that it's long hair and put a two if you think it's just shadow. But it

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does appear that there's long hair and maybe possibly Lance, right? Allegedly.

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So, when he pointed this out, that goes even further into everyone saying that maybe Lance is involved. Maybe they work together.

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But to me, at first glance, this does not appear like Tyler Robinson. So, I just wanted to show that.

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Very, very interesting. And good job, Muppet Masher, on bringing that up.

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All right, so let's see. We did that. We covered that.

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And then there's the victim targeting enhancement. So, this is the piece that talks about if uh Robinson allegedly

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targeted Kirk because of political expression. We know that Lance Twigs in his video recorded interview, his uh his

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statement, he openly said that Tyler didn't talk about politics. He didn't talk about, you know, like he said, he talked about the president once in a while, but he didn't talk about Charlie Kirk. He didn't talk about LGBTQ issues.

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He didn't talk about furries. Like, you know, the questions they asked him, he's like, "No, he never talked about that stuff." He didn't say never, but he said he doesn't talk about that stuff. So,

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it's interesting. So, if this was a targeting of some sort, then that would imply that either A Tyler's lying to Lance and Lance doesn't know certain

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things that he thinks he knows if it is Tyler or B that Lance is lying, right?

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And that seems very likely, you know, [laughter] in my opinion, it could have seemed very likely if they're trying to protect each other. And then,

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let's see, we covered that. Um, [snorts] now another interesting thing is

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Robinson's own alleged statement that he killed Kirk because he had enough of Mr. Kirk's hatred.

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Now, I believe originally that statement, correct me if I'm wrong in chat, but I if I remember correctly, it was from uh the parents or someone in

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the family allegedly said this and it was reported by the news early on that he had said something like casually over dinner or something. he would say like

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hate, you know, hateful things towards Charlie Kirk. And then prosecutors are saying the combination of all that stuff establishes probable cause for the enhancement.

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And then they also reject the defenses reliance on a certain case, saying that neither enhancement increases the statuto maximum punishment either way.

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So, they're saying it doesn't matter, which Octavia, [laughter] if it doesn't matter, then why are they talking about it? And why they waste

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their what 35 or 38, whatever it was, pages to talk about that if it doesn't matter? If it's not going to change anything, if it's not going to increase

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the statutory maximum punishment, then why did they bring it up? Why didn't they say, you know, you can't you can't say that that's Tyler Robinson? You have an established identity. Why didn't they

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say that? You can't prove that he was on the roof. You know, you can't prove that um you know, like the screwdriver doesn't mean that he killed Charlie. He

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didn't kill him with the screwdriver, right? So, all those little things, all that stuff is what they should have focused on.

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So, now we get into the interesting part. To me, it's all interesting, but not as exciting.

Chapter 6: Lance Twigs' residence

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Now, we go into Lance Twigs.

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We'll say we'll go to the Tweak's household, right? Not the not the family home, but the one where the bro stayed and where Tyler was. So, one of the most

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concrete sets of physical evidence the states never reply to or discuss is a search of the Tyler Robinson shared um Lance Twigs [clears throat] in the St.

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George area. So, basically the warrant that Baron talked about yesterday. And the warrant returns a preliminary hearing testimony document with these

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different items. Um, we're going to get more into it. Look, we're actually going to watch part of the video, but I just want to like say these off real quick.

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But a blue backpack containing PVC pipe 1 in in diameter, PVC end caps with black tape wrapping, port holes in the

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PVC, wires running through the pipe assembly, small Raspberry Pi computer chips, wire cutters, hammers, and other

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tools, and then shell casings, Dremel tool, notebooks, iPads, hard drives, all that kind of typical stuff you would

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expect. And then shooting targets, multiple pairs of Converse style shoes, and then um they took some DNA swabs

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from Lance Twigs. It's a boule B U C A L test. So they did that. Now we're going

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to watch. See if this pops up correctly over here.

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All right. Let me know if you can hear this when I play it. This is my first time playing uh anything from the

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desktop. So, give me a thumbs up or a 5x5 or whatever it may be when you hear it.

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This is wild, by the way. While executing a search warrant at Robinson's residence at Redacted while searching

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the kitchen area, a blue backpack was located. We will come back to this blue backpack. You remember he had on a blue

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backpack at UVU when he was wearing the maroon getup.

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the the alleged Tyler Robinson. By the time the alleged Tyler Robinson's in his black get up, he has on a black backpack.

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Blue backpack morning, black pack backpack later. We'll find out what happened to that blue backpack.

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35 minutes

And could this be the same blue backpack? I'll submit to you it cannot be.

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I don't think. And if it is, then it got there some other way. And if if it is, it's an indication. If this

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if this is the same backpack he was wearing at the university, then he wasn't alone. I'll explain to you why I say that in a minute, but I need I need you to drill down and understand that.

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There's a reason I'm saying this. That blue backpack could not be the blue backpack he was wearing if in fact

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it's the same blue backpack. I'll explain why in a minute. I don't want to get the story out of order here. I want to stick with the warrant right now.

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A blue backpack was located while searching the backpack. Investigators observed a PVC pipe. There's approximately an inch in diameter. The

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pipe had PVC endcaps with black tape wrapping around the PVC.

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Now, I just covered those things, but the big takeaway here is according to what Baron's saying, there's a chance that they're different backpacks. The

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other thing is the materials that we're talking about here. So we have the PVC pipe, we have incaps, we have holes poked in it, we have Raspberry Pi

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components which he alludes to as well can be used for making uh what should we say devices that can

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cause destruction over a large area if that makes sense.

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Um these are things that are improvised and are often used during like wartime and like urban riots and stuff like

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that. So it appears that based on that stuff that there may be a lot more to

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the story than what we've been told. A lot more. So initially Yeah. Boom booms.

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Exactly. Smarty pants dance. So we have boom booms that were made using PVC pipe and electronics.

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And if I remember correctly, Tyler Robinson was going to school for to be a electrician, I believe. and they were

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both bluecollar style workers. So maybe they were using some of that expertise to do something allegedly or to make

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something. And again, you know, this I don't know whose backpack this is. I think the implication here is that it's Lance's backpack, but they lived in the same house.

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Um, Smarty Pants Dance.

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Yes, that that is what I'm talking about right there. I'm not going to say it on the stream. Uh but that is the implication that using the materials they have this could have been made.

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Right. Exactly. Allegedly. Right. So, um

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we're going to look at something else here too that I think is very interesting on the same vein, but I want to set this up here really quick. During

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the July 2026 preliminary hearing, forensic testimony also addressed DNA recovered from the towel wrapped around the recovered rifle and the screwdriver

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found on the Losi Center roof, which if you've been paying attention, Kelly Rayon found a black and red screwdriver

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that was shown, you know, she showed it on a couple different videos, but she said that it belongs to the UVU maintenance crew. She found it in one of

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their little golf carts. So, if it's the same one, then that's reasonable doubt for sure.

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And then we have DNA consistent with both Tyler and Lance Twigs reported on some of the items. Percentages were discussed. Uh Twigs has never been

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charged with any crime related to the shooting and remains a cooperating witness, but has use immunity, which means something that he shared with them

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to help make Tyler be on trial or, you know, possibly go to trial was damning to him as well. A lot of people think it's destroying evidence. Maybe that

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note that supposedly got burnt, but independent reporting based on anonymous sources who claim long-term knowledge of

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both men. Turkey to Tom. Now, I want to talk about this for a second because a lot of people Sorry, my little earpiece thing here is getting getting [laughter]

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out of whack. Um, it was described there's additional context, right, about the living conditions and Tweak's behavior and all

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that information. Now, according to that source, which let's look at who the source is first before we jump into that piece,

Chapter 7: Discord and source leaks

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Turkey Tom got the Discord chat archives related info from an anonymous leaker source who was already a member of the relevant servers and knew Tyler Robinson

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and Lance Twigs in real life. Okay, that's that's the that's the supposed source. Let me see if I can make this bigger here. I know a lot of people were

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saying that this was, you know, like a a federal thing or an intelligence operation or whatever. Uh Turkey Tom posted September 23rd

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uh that the person reached out. They claimed to have known both Tyler and Lance for years around 6 years remained in contact up until the shooting and said they were in the Discord servers.

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Okay, so this person is not just supposedly a random informant. They're technically I wouldn't say friends, but

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good acquaintances. Do them for around six years. Um looks well it says remain in contact. So maybe they were friends.

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And then they had the uh Discord server information. They provided Discord archives from three different servers that both Tyler and Lance were in.

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Some of the messages went back to 2020.

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So that's important, too. This isn't a case where it's just like, hey, you know, we have this amazing information that just popped up and gives us every

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detail of everything. And guess what? We can trace it all the way back to the day that Charlie was shot. Well, this is saying this goes back way before that,

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all the way back to 2020. And then there's a firsthand account of the relationship and living situation, photos of the apartment, and drawings

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that were attributed to Lance. And the drawings are like these.

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So, this is from Olex.

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Um, people were saying this is, you know, these are some of those type of drawings that were in there.

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So, according to some people, this looks like the courtyard and possibly where the tent would be, possibly stairs. Um,

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there's different things that are written that look similar to the writing that was in the like the final note, you know, the note that was saying like,

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"I'm sorry, my love." And all this kind of stuff from Tyler.

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And you just see like, you know, like measurements, angles, and different things like see like this up here that

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looks a lot like the steps and stuff for that courtyard, you know? And this this is stuff that was found in the the supposed Turkey Tom files of Lance.

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So, I just find that really, really interesting. Like, if this is fake, they did a really good job, right? That's all I'm saying. And then, uh, verification

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material, including screenshots. um of the confession original photo police took outside from across the street. So,

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there's a lot of this information that a random person, you know, if you knew them well, could possibly have or like

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some people are implying, if this is some kind of intelligence setup, then obviously they could uh fabricate all this. Turkey Tom requested proof of

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connection before fully engaging with the material. So, I don't know anything about Turkey Tom. I know he has a big channel. I know he's popular. Um, but it

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does sound like he, you know, tried to verify this connection first. So, the reason I brought all that up is because

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if I come over here, um, it says that according to that person, right, according to that source,

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just want to make sure there's certain things I don't want to say based on.

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Okay. Um based on Tweak's behavior in the residence, Tweaks went through repeated nesting phases in which uh

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surfaces including tables became covered in layers of wire, random timu trinkets, decorations, art projects, clothes, and

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empty alcohol containers. The source also states that twigs would become extremely agitated if anyone disturbed

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these arrangements. The same account describes cycles of severe depression alternating with manic periods, black market hormone use.

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Um, which, you know, we we we hear about the LGBTQ furry trans angle. So, if that is true,

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then maybe Lance was experimenting with uh hormones, heavy THC and alcohol consumption. By THC, I assume they mean smoking it.

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Sleep deprivation and episodes of thrashing or erratic behavior that required Robinson to intervene. Family members have separately been quoting describing Twigs as not mentally well.

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And Twigs himself posted about receiving targeted ads for schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder treatment. A photograph circulated by

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the source shows the table. So, let's look at that. And let's see.

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Of course, I can't zoom into this. Let me do a screenshot again.

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There has to be a way to zoom in Windows quickly and conveniently because I know I I know coach ran into that today, too.

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I'm sure it's like a hotkey like control alt, shift, f1, f2, f3, f4, f5, and you can zoom in real quick.

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All right, let's see. You just need an octopus to make it work.

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All right, let me share this here. Okay, this is the table at their house.

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What the f? What the f? What the f?

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Um [laughter] uh to me looking at this now, this okay,

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this to me is like my drawers that I have. I have drawers that um

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have this stuff like like wires, USB cables, power cords, you know, hard drives, that kind of stuff. But this was just out all over the table.

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45 minutes, 10 seconds

So, with this, you know, looking through this, like I don't know what that is, but some kind of tool. There's little

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electronics and stuff on here on the table. Um, you know, we've already talked there's hard drives. We've already talked about the Raspberry Pi

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possibly being implicated in um devices that can cause, you know, large destruction over an area. We have lots

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45 minutes, 35 seconds

of wires, diaries written of stuff, you know, just just Yeah. I mean, it's just wires and stuff everywhere. And some of

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these containers, you know, like this could be for uh crimping electronics, you know, like uh splicing wires and that kind of stuff, too. Little end

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connectors. So that is very strange to me. But in light of this new backpack

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revelation, you know that a certain thing is in the backpack. That that to me is alarming because if that is

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correct, the implication here is that Lance allegedly to all this, Lance and

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or Tyler or both or them and other people or Lance and other people, whatever it may be, were designing and

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creating improvised devices to cause mass destruction.

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46 minutes, 28 seconds

And that is also implicated in the contents of the backpack.

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So, uh, that is crazy.

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And the way that that intersects with this state filing is the state's 19-page reply treats the text between Robinson and Twigs and the note left under the

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keyboard as evidence supporting the obstruction and witness tampering counts, but it does not address the blue backpack assembly

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or the Raspberry Pi devices, the test shot casings, the presence of Twig's DNA on related

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items like on shared items and seen items like the towel.

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the screwdriver, etc. And it doesn't talk about any of the nesting or mental health issues that Lance had that were documented by friends and family.

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None of that stuff was talked about by either side technically, by state or defense.

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So to me, that is

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[sighs and gasps]

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47 minutes, 32 seconds

is that intentional? Are they using Lance to get Tyler

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and giving him immunity on the things that would be the worst for him if he's involved and leaving this stuff out on purpose,

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right? Like it's just it's just blowing my mind. That's blowing my mind here.

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47 minutes, 53 seconds

All this new information coming out. So, if I want to play devil's advocate, so we have the official side saying that it was Tyler Robinson. he did XYZ.

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And then we have, you know, the other side, the Candace side saying, well, there's other theories. It could possibly be this, it could be that. And one of those theories is that Lance was involved or Lance did it.

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The more stuff that's coming out, it does seem like it's leaning more towards Lance being involved or possibly doing it.

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48 minutes, 24 seconds

There's images and other things. There's information that is kind of damning for him. But now that he has immunity, what is he immune to?

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And this is all allegedly, right? It's a thought experiment.

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48 minutes, 39 seconds

And then the other thing we have, excuse me, Baron was specifically talking about George Zen. So there's cell tower data

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48 minutes, 48 seconds

that showed investigative interest in the Losi building rooftop.

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48 minutes, 52 seconds

That was on September 8th. That's two days before.

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So, two days before this happened, they are looking for information about who was up there based on the cell

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phone. That is very interesting. And let me see if I can get this to play properly. We'll find that out in just a

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moment. So, let's go to the next one here. This search warrant is a cell phone data dump.

Chapter 8: Warrants and George Zen

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49 minutes, 19 seconds

So, what they're looking for here is, and this is a little complex as well, that last one was geoencing. This was not geofencing as much as

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just these service providers, T-Mobile, AT&T, Celco, Verizon, these different

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providers, they they they let you ping off their towers if you're in the area and they figure out how to distribute the fees to each other, but they let you

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ping off their towers. And so they send us out and say, "Hey, if you have a tower covering this area, we want all of the information you have from these

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towers at this location at this particular time." So this gives us actually much more detailed location.

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For example, this is the type of stuff they want. stored text message transaction data,

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incoming and outgoing calls, meaning the number coming in and the number receiving the call or the number going out and the number receiving the call.

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Calls originating or terminating numbers involving both phone numbers.

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Um, information shall include telephone numbers dialed, incoming. So Baron gets really deep into it and obviously go

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check out the full stream if you want like every little detail. But long story short, they're using uh cell tower pings to see if you know who was in the area.

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And obviously Baron's asking the question like who were they looking for?

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Do they already suspect certain people for being up there? Do they have this data? Like is is this because these are warrants from the past. So they could

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already have this information and this could be used technically in trial if it goes to trial.

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And then we have George Zen. The 71-year-old detained on campus minutes after the shot, told police his plan was to help the actual asalants escape by

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diverting law enforcement attention and resources. What else might that show, though?

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Who else was at Utah Valley University Hospital? If Charlie Kirk wasn't there, what might those video cameras show?

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Well, there was a purported transfer of of patients from one hospital to another. Perhaps it would show that.

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Well, if the FBI has seized that footage, they won't have it.

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But you know who else was there?

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A guy named George Zen was at Utah Valley University Hospital. Where's the Zen one? There it is. George Zen was at Utah Valley University Hospital.

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That's where they took him.

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And we have the search warrant now for George Zen. I'll show you that. Now, this is a pretty fascinating search warrant in what it says about his idea for that day, why he was there.

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So, they're looking for CESAM material, uh, little people material,

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images, depictions, whether written or visual, of kitty stuff. And they go on and they

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have this long description of what all this stuff is. is we've blacked out a lot of it just cuz the description alone is is is

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gross. But as we scroll down here, we now get to the investigation. This is fascinating.

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Uh as they scan the area looking for the suspect, a 71-year-old male named George Zen

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approached UVU police officers stating, "I shot him. Shoot me." The male was quickly taken into custody

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and a search incident to arrest showed that he did not have a firearm on his person. He was asked where the gun was and George stated, "I'm not going to

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tell you where it is." The male again stated, "I shot him. Now shoot me." The male was transported out of the area

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back to the UVU Police Department. As this was happening, officers were searching the immediate area around where George approached

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police in search of a firearm that did not exist, pulling researches resources from the search for the actual shooter who had now escaped the area. Read this

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area in blue and think about the consequences of what this means. Think about the English language that he uses here.

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George was told at one point that his actions drew officers attention to him and pulled resources away from finding

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the actual shooter. George responded by saying, "Well, good. That was my plan to

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help him get away." Did you guys know that George Zen admitted to being part of a conspiracy?

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his plan was to help the shooter get away. You and he also indicated that he was paid.

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So, if this is all correct and what Baron showed in this warrant is correct, then it would seem that George Zen was

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not only part of a plot or a plan of some sort, even if it was just two people, him and one other person, but he

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also got paid for it. So that means that the whole idea that Tyler Robinson did this on his own is gone. Whether it was

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Lance or George Zen or someone else or a government or whatever it may be, the idea that he acted alone as a lone shooter, that idea is long gone. Um, so

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that is a good thing that we now know that. And then Baron also concludes that the combination of these warrants and the details make a successful Lonear

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case very unlikely. And this is kind of his wrap-up.

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Go back to September 8th. We we're we're asking for a cell phone location data. We're asking

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for a cell phone dump, cell tower dump for that location at the Losi Center roof on September 8th between 8:10 and 8:25 p.m.

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If someone was on camera, why haven't we heard of that? Why is that not part of the narrative? Why haven't they told us?

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Well, they it was obviously Tyler Robinson. He was here scouting it out.

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Or we know that this happened. We asked for this information. We figured out who it was. Honest mistake. It was just a maintenance guy up there picking up cigarette butts off the roof. Like,

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what? Tell us what happened. Tell us what happened.

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If it wasn't him, who was it? And where was Tyler Robinson? Had he ever been to campus before? Did he come to campus in the week before scouting it out? Did he

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know where the Chick-fil-A was? How did he know how to get just to the Chick-fil-A, by the way?

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So, a lot of this information, I mean, these are good questions, but I mean, this is the reason why,

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you know, when Andrew Wilson says he's 75 or 85% sure and he's overwhelmed by that 75% or the 85%,

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that other, you know, 15 or 25% is why Baron and Candace and the I would say at this point hundreds, if not thousands of

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other people investigating or lending their expertise to this case. I know that a lot of the uh the other side, I

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guess I'm not really on a side. I'm very neutral and I know it pisses some people off, but if you want to look at the two sides, the anti-candace side, we'll say,

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um, they use the like they all think they're investigators line a lot. I would disagree with that because it seems like a lot of the people that are

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looking into this case, they don't consider themselves investigators. they just have an expertise in a certain area whether it's you know audio forensics or

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ballistics or being a lawyer you know and uh some people are nurses or doctors

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so it's this culmination of everyone coming together and bringing all these different expertises together that is kind of making this uh this team of

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investigators and I don't think there's any one investigator out there that has every skill required to do their job either maybe But uh let's see.

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Yeah. So, a lot of people saying a lot of people saying they're experts in a certain area. Um that I mean that goes

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deeper too. You know, do they have degrees, certifications? Um you know, are they a firearms instructor certified? Are they a currently

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practicing lawyer with a you know, a bar association and that kind of stuff.

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There's a lot more to it. Um, there's a lot of people that also use AI uh to a fault and then come off as an

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expert and uh we see that a lot. You know, they'll pull these numbers and um make a

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lot of claims. I've seen it also with the the medical reports some nurses and doctors will pull using AI and just you

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know say some crazy stuff and when you see their post it's very obvious that it's AI generated uh with emojis and

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everything little fire emojis and heart kisses and stuff mixed in with it.

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So yeah I mean anyone that's a self-proclaimed expert um I'd definitely be careful with that.

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Now, Candace Owns showed some footage, and I'm sure a lot of you have already seen it. Um, but I do want to talk about it. The footage shows Tyler or Terrell

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Farnsworth looking around, pocketing the card, and then immediately using his phone, and he doesn't appear to secure

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anything. And for anyone that's ever used cameras, they are those cards can be pretty touchy. So, for example, even like static electricity could damage it.

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So, say if he pulls it out and at some point he dropped it in the water or, you know, if he had like static on his fingers and he shocked it or something

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that could wipe out, you know, evidence, official evidence. But, um, let's watch this here really quick. He looks down at it and he walks around.

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And we had wondered what did Terrell do when he walked around. He hasn't addressed any other camera there, just that one.

Chapter 9: Farnsworth footage and summary

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Well, you don't have to wonder what he did anymore because today I can tell you what Terrell did because I've actually known what Terrell did since October.

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Um, as I was wondering who could be trusted at Turning Point USA and like I said to you instantly, there was a

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network of government employees that were fighting to get the truth out and wondering who they could trust as well.

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And um now appears to be the moment to not tell you what Terrell did, but to rather show you and let you draw your

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own conclusions about whether Terl appeared concerned about anything other

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than that particular footage. Okay, here is what Terrell did thereafter. seen for the first time.

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Terl is there.

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He looks around again nervously and he puts

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the SD card in his pocket and he zips up. He doesn't run to the other cameras and try to grab the SD card. Instead,

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what he does is he whips out his phone and he begins texting with someone.

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And that's what he does. He's texting with someone to say what?

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Who's he texting? What's he saying?

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If he's just out there fighting evil and worried about securing the footage, why

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didn't he grab the other SD card or Now, real quick in chat, put a one if you think his behavior was suspicious,

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and put a two if you think he was just putting it in his pocket and calling 911 so you can get it over to them. I'm interested to see what you guys think

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because uh to some people they see something like this and immediately think this is suspicious and he's a criminal and other people will see it and say no. Seems pretty reasonable.

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A lot of ones coming in. Moon goddess with like 56 ones.

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[laughter]

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All right. Basically all ones. Okay. So, yeah, his his behavior from start to

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finish uh is definitely interesting. I think it's definitely worth looking into, and I'm glad that she is.

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Um, now, if you look at this, if I'm playing devil's advocate, you

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can't tell what's in this hand. It is It's pretty blurry. I mean, let's go back to, you know, like look at that. Can we

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definitively say so? Okay. So, just to play devil's advocate because I love doing that. If I So, we saw like Tyler Robinson

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supposedly on the roof, right? We saw this blurry footage of him running across and pulling up to take the shot and everything else. I reviewed it and other people said there's no way you can tell it's Tyler. You can't see a gun.

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Even if you saw something long on there that's stiff, you can't tell if if it's a gun, right? Because it's too blurry.

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Now, look at this footage. Is there any way you can tell that he's putting an SD card in his pocket?

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Is there any way to tell if he has an SD card?

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Is there any way to tell what he's definitively doing? I I mean that those are just like, you know, genuine questions.

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So, you would assume if he had the SD card from being up here and worked his way back to where he's standing now,

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maybe he has the SD card in his hand and then you put it in his pocket. Like, you can infer that. But to say definitively, I would argue that with this specific

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footage, it's basically impossible to tell, but still interesting. And then early discussions of the Cameron and Farnsworth prior to statements um Owens covers this as well.

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Oh, wrong button. Try this again. Get ready because it's another big one.

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It is explosive.

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was seen taking down the cameras, particularly actually taking down one camera, the camera behind Charlie's

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head. And this now, let me see if I can go back. Can I go back one frame?

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Okay, so if you remember this, when this first came out, then uh people were like, "Oh, the camera, the camera is what hit him, right?" They were saying

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all this, it's interesting. It's interesting information, but they were saying like the camera shot him from behind and then, you know, came out the

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front and that's why there's an exit wound looking thing instead of entry wound. But this camera, people were saying that it had like a laser and, you

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know, like a a barrel and all this kind of stuff as it I've looked into all this stuff. Uh, it is interesting though that

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if you look at the full setup, there's like one, two, three, four, at least like four cameras and two of them are pointing right at Charlie and super

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close on like 4K or 8K, but the only camera he seems to focus on and pull the card from is this one back here. And

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that's also um I don't know if anyone's really talked about this yet, but why did he only show Candace video from that camera?

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You would think he'd have all the information from all the cameras, all the SD cards from all four cameras because I believe they were all his with

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his crew. So why did he only show the back camera, right? Good question, right? If he had

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access to all of it and it's so like 4K great footage, you would see everything

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from those ones that are pointing right at Charlie How come we don't see that? How come

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that's not released? And I did C I I hope Candace asked for that. I I'm sure she wouldn't want to see it necessarily

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with it being her friend, but I would have been asking that like, okay, you show me the rear footage, show me the front footage. And maybe he has shown her. Maybe she just hasn't told us that.

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But I find that very interesting. Um, there's plenty of very high resolution footage that could be used and shared.

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Records indicate electronic copies were provided to investigators the same day using Google Drive and a flash drive.

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There's no public confirmation in the materials discussed that the original SD cards were turned over. And that is also

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further corroborated by Let me get rid of these screens.

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Yeah, I know next time not to full screen all these. This is kind of a headache to pull these down.

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And one more just for fun. All right.

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Now, there is Where is it at?

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Excuse me. All right. So, this one here, this is uh Do It Again says, "Candice,

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regarding your video today of Terrell Farnsworth entering the tunnel with the SD card, this is what him and Philip did after that. Terrell has the laptop in his lap.

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So, they're saying here, again, I'm not I'm not going to zoom in on this one because I can see it. But, he's basically sitting and he has the SD card

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and he's, you know, I assume copying it and get ready to send it and do whatever he's going to do with it. And, uh, that's interesting because typically in

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this type of case, that SD card itself as it sits and the camera and everything would be turned over directly as evidence.

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So, it's interesting that he just pulls it out, casually downloads it onto his computer, imports it, and then shares

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Google Drive links with Candace and well, not with Candace. He did a screen recording, but shared Google Drive links

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with, I guess, whatever investigators, FBI, police, whoever wanted that information. That's very interesting.

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Um, yeah. So, is that a violation? I I mean, legally there wasn't technically a case

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yet. No one had locked down the scene yet.

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There wasn't like police tape up and he was going past the police tape. So, is he technically breaking the law by doing

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this? I don't think so. But it's still very suspicious and obviously people don't like it. The state's reply does

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not address that sequence either or question the surrounding handling of the camera or any of that. So, the state

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doesn't talk about any of those details at all. And again, this could be something that would come up in trial, but it's still important information.

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All of this is important.

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So, the state told Judge Graph that this is likely as straightforward a bindover decision as a court will ever see. So,

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to them, to the prosecution, Tyler's guilty, all the evidence is there, and trial is going to be a breeze. That's what it seems to uh that seems to be the sentiment from them.

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The selected warrant details in the new forms footage create questions that sit directly against that characterization.

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So we have what is the full forensic and investigative explanation for the PVC

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assembly, Raspberry Pi chips, wires, and the tools found in the backpack at the shared residence with Lance Twigs.

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That's one question. So, in other words, were they making devices for mass destruction?

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Second question, why was there documented investigative interest in the Losi rooftop on September 8th, 2 days before the shooting?

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I don't know when the announcement, the official announcement was, and they set up that day. I don't know if they knew the location of the tent, you know, like

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if that was discussed with UVU ahead of time, but it seems like maybe someone was up there and they were scouting. And

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scouting, for those that don't know, is where you go to an area ahead of time and you try to find angles and distance,

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possible viewpoints, places to hide, those type of things, right?

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And then question number three, how does George Zen him being documented claim of a plan to assist the shooter fit into

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the the lone shooter narrative that the state says is uncontested.

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George Zen has said not only was he part of something and doing a distraction so they could get away, but he also said he got paid for it.

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And then all of a sudden he had a bunch of issues with youth content that is illegal on his computer and now he is

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locked away. Someone did mention earlier too, they asked if George Zen was free.

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As far as I know, he's still in he's still in jail and he had a uh a hearing at one point. I didn't really watch it, but do so I think he's I think he's

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actually in jail. But um number four, what is the complete chain of custody and content of the original media from the camera that Farnsworth removed

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within minutes of the shot? So think about this.

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Is there a world, this is just a thought experiment, not an allegation. Is there a world where

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Terrell Farnsworth pulls the SD card, puts it into his computer, edits it, even if it's just cropping,

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right? Say if there was a bunch of activity, like see, say I'm like in a wide screen right here. So, say I'm in this wide screen. Yeah, George Zen was

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basically a crisis actor. Um, but say I'm in this this wide setup and then they crop it in so it's just like this, which is basically, you know, what Candace was being shown when she got

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that uh FaceTime recording. Imagine if if Terrell Farms did that and sent that to the FBI or the FBI or the police.

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Did they get the full widescreen?

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Did they get the entire like in its entirety? not something edited down, you know, just showing Charlie slumping over and that kind of stuff like kind of

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cropped in. Did they get the full thing heightwise, too, so they can see everything that happened in that area?

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That's a great question.

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And then question five, what is the full significance of DNA consistent with Lance twigs on the items connected to the rifle and the rooftop screwdriver?

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What is the significance of that?

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Knowing that his backpack had these materials in it and their table looked like they were building something or trying to, you know, experimenting with building something.

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his past history of substance abuse, mental health issues, um,

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nesting, we'll say, drinking, black market, hormones, and things like that.

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You know, like that type of personality does that doesn't paint a pretty picture of a person. So, and I know people go through things, you know, some people

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have really hard times in life and they come out of it, they become a better person afterwards and they help other people and they recover and all that stuff. That's great. Uh but this is not

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saying that he used to do that. It's saying that was a a current thing happening in his life. According to those files,

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none of these questions are in the memorandum from prosecution. The defense now has primary document and primary video that they can place in front of

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the judge on September 1st and ask whether the state's framing of the evidence as complete and uncontested still holds. So, in other words, with

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these warrants, this Terrell Farnsworth uh footage, you know, the the the things showing that Lance was maybe more

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involved or maybe the one planning it allegedly.

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These type of things might make a situation where defense could use it to contest what prosecution is putting forward.

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The state can respond to these and then we'll see what happens, but the reply itself does not make that response and simply does not address them. So again,

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we're in a situation where the prosecution is leaving out a bunch of stuff, the defense is leaving out a bunch of stuff. Now again, playing devil's advocate, they were limited on

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how many pages they got. So if they only have 20 or 30 pages to do this with, maybe it makes sense that they didn't have everything in it. But again, this is just probable cause to go to trial.

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So after the 5-day preliminary hearing ending on July 10th, there was a written briefing. Defense filed. The state's

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reply was also filed and the defense basically was trying to rebuttal what the state put and then yesterday the

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prosecution came back out and gave their final argument. Now there will be oral arguments September 1st.

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September 1st is not just for Judge Graph. He's actually not going to make a ruling that day. He said it'll probably you his typical way is like within a few

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days after that. Maybe he'll take longer since it's, you know, higher stakes to go to trial. So, join us September 1st.

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It should be be myself, hopefully Octavia, and then Valhalla.

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And we will be doing, you know, our typical uh hearing stream where we watch it. We try to not say anything. We'll react, but we'll try not to not

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interrupt. And um they've all been very, very interesting, and it's good to have a group of people to watch it with as

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well. So, make sure you guys join us September 1st. Um, but they're both going to summarize their side. This her final oral argument.

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[clears throat]

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Now, the state of Utah has filed a document telling a district court judge

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that Tyler Robinson's defense is not seriously contesting anything anything of the core information. And they're not contesting identity.

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They're not contesting that a shot was taken or that Charlie was shot. The filing is detailed, aggressive on the law, and confident that those

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aggravators are met, meaning children were present and at risk, and that the shot that was taken put other people at

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risk. That is why it's pushed towards the death penalty. Next to that filing now sits a search warrant that returns from the residents from Lance Twigs,

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including a blue backpack with all the stuff that we know that's in it. Now, um there were cell tower pings. There were police that were looking for other

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people. We have information, people trying to get uh pings of who was on the roof of the Losi Center two days before this even happened. There's a lot of

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stuff going on, right? And then we have Terrell Farnsworth removing the SD card, putting into a computer where it could be manipulated. I'm not saying that happened, but it's a possibility.

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So, there's a lot of moving pieces that I think gives enough reasonable doubt for people like Baron and Candace and

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other people looking into this like all over X and everywhere to at least question this stuff and look further into it. I mean, it doesn't necessarily

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mean that, you know, Charlie faked it and he's on an island somewhere and the entire government was, you know, colluding to to put a squib on him or

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something like that, right? Not saying it's going that far, but um definitely interesting stuff to look into.

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Now, um prepare citizens don't need anyone to decide this case for them. So, like for me, I'm I'm taking it piece by

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piece. I basically take anything that comes out from anyone and there's some there's some stuff like off-the-wall stuff I've heard, but I take it and I

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put in a little bin, right? Then the next thing comes in. I'm like, does that reconcile with the previous thing? And then I have like the the known things,

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right? the officially known things from the the FBI and the government in Utah that say that specific things happened

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and that's in a bin. So the way I say neutral I guess if I am neutral is I take all the stuff that's coming in and

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as new things come in I move things to different bins. So I have like completely believable, plausible, has proof. That's one bin. Then I have interesting, needs further looking into.

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And then I have one that's kind of like the the mystery box. And that would be, you know, like the the staged situation or like John Bra theory and stuff like

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that. So I try to balance all of those and keep it going and not not let go of anything in case it's useful later. But

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that's where I'm getting to nowadays. So um all this stuff is interesting to me.

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I think the warrants have shed some new light on certain situations, maybe even to the point, honestly, where

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some of the people on the anti-Candis side who said it was Tyler Lone Wolf might

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actually change their mind or reconsider that Lance possibly allegedly might be involved or other people.

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And it may be to the point where they can't really deny that based on the warrants. So, we'll see what all that we'll see what happens with all that.

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Um, I am going to try something here.

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Let me see where is it at. Uh, all right. Let me see if I can pull up supers and stuff here.

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I, like I said, I'm using a whole new setup and we'll see how it goes.

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My mind is blown. 101. Thanks for the super. Thanks, Matt.

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Uh, looks like we have a lot of jewels here, so we'll get to those, too. Pale face. Hey, Trigger. Yes, removing the SIM card is a crime. Is tampering with

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evidence? And yes, even though no police tape doesn't matter. Police should be investigating this. You know, I'm actually, now that we're talking about,

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I'm actually really curious in Utah if there's any laws. Let me check.

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I basically want to see if there's any laws saying

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that say if a shooting happens and anyone is on scene

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that they are breaking the law due to evidence due to possible evidence tampering.

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Let's see what comes up.

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Now, I know um friends I have that are police officers and stuff like that.

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I mean, they say that it's assumed that anyone in this situation would just automatically not touch anything, not

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mess with anything. In some cases, people don't even like they don't even touch the body. They just, you know, even if the person needs help, they just

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they don't even do that because there's been good Samaritans who have had laws or um have had cases against them, like civil cases where they lost a bunch of

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money and stuff and got sued for helping someone even if even if they saved their life.

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Let's see. All right. Utah law. No, Utah does not have a law that makes Why' you jump? Utah does not have a law that

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makes it a crime for someone to simply be in the area of a shooting because of the possibility of evidence tampering.

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Uh tampering with evidence requires the person believes an official investigation or proceeding is pending or about to begin or intends to prevent

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one or the person known or intentionally alters, destroys, conceals, or removes something with the purpose of impairing its value or availability as evidence.

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So, in other words, if he took the SD card and destroyed it, or if he took the SD card and wiped it or manipulated the

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footage somehow, maybe that technically under Utah code 768510.5

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could mean that it was uh tampering with evidence. But yeah, it doesn't seem um

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there is another Let's see. If someone dies, Utah code says the scene may not be disturbed until the author uh until authorized by the senior ranking peace officer.

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Interesting. This is not about disturbing body or scene, not about peer presence.

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H yeah, that's interesting. So, I guess it could technically mean that

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partially partially violated tampering with evidence. Um, but since it was eventually supposedly provided to the

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FBI or SBI that uh it doesn't necessarily qualify as tampering with evidence, assuming he can prove that it's the

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original files and all that because if you're transferring files around and if he had it on his laptop and you have editing software and all that, it's uh

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very possible to tamper with that stuff pretty easily. Like the kind of editing and stuff we do every day, you know, for

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for being on here, um it's pretty simple.

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Yeah. So, um, [sighs] we have a lot of jewels and stars.

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I'm trying to make sure that I can see all the super chats if there were any.

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Uh, let's see.

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We have some memberships as well. I apparently don't see memberships in my new setup. Uh, Heather May, thanks for trigger smart membership. Two of them.

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We have Chile sent 10 trigger smart memberships. Make sure you guys show some love to Chile and to Heather May.

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Spade Coffin, thanks for becoming a VIP.

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It looks like we have um, let's see. Is this Oh, you know what? It's not showing all of them. Okay. Uh, Moon Goddess,

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thanks for the super chat. Uh, Matt, either it's me or Nightbot chose wisely. Lol.

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Um, I think so. I had Trigger Daddy and tested it out and it seemed like Nightbot was actually better [laughter]

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than than Trigger Daddy. So, I went back to Nightbot. I did uh ease the settings significantly. You'll have to be more

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specific about what Nightbot is doing. I think for most people it's it's like you you try to say something like you type something and then it seems like uh

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maybe you're you know like if you're typing if you type something about like our greatest ally that stuff will get filtered because that can crash the

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stream that can cause them to pull the stream down. So those type of things like use like a flag or something else in place of it or like ISR,

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you know, those type of things make it a little bit easier. Um, so I don't have to deal with terms of service issues with YouTube.

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Uh, let's see.

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All right. So, looks like we got through all the super chats as well. And I know I think Baron might still be live right now, but I appreciate everyone being here. I'm going to test something out.

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So, in chat, um, when I officially shut the stream down, put like a thumbs up or five by five or whatever in chat if you can see the outro and hear the music.

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But I appreciate everyone being here and as always, don't forget to like, subscribe, and share this around. And I'll see you on the next one.