Hi, welcome to the Brandy and Billy Show. I'm Brandy. >> And I'm Billy. And this is our first podcast episode ever. >> The assassination of Charlie Kirk is a story way too big to ignore. And there's a lot of different theories and conspiracies going around of what possibly could have happened that day. >> And there's a lot of people who don't know anything about any theories at all, and they're just accepting what the media has told them. >> Billy and I like to do our own research, so we listen to a lot of podcasts. And uh one night we were listening to podcasts really late per usual and we came across quite a few mentioning our guest tonight doing some controversial things maybe in the video. We'll leave that up to you guys. So we wanted to talk to him directly. So we DM'd him and he lives in Salt Lake City as do we and he agreed to meet with us. His name is Charles Mcccleintoch Wilson and he was working as a photographer on the day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. He was standing pretty close to Charlie as you'll see in some of the footage that we show you. And do not worry, the footage that we do show you will not show any gore. >> We just wanted to get this guy's firsthand experience of that day. >> So, welcome to the first episode of the Brandy and Billy Show. >> Hi, Charles. Welcome to the very first episode of the Brandy and Billy Show. >> Thank you for having, girls. >> So, I'm sure you're aware that a lot of people online um are not really believing what the mainstream media and the government are saying about Charlie Kirk's assassination. Many people are developing their own theories and asking questions. and some prominent podcasters have mentioned you specifically um saying that you might know more information about Charlie Kirk's assassination. So, we wanted to share with our audience and also with you um the video footage just to get your own personal perspective of what happened that day. But before we get into that, we just want to know a little bit more about you, who you are, where you're from, what you do. So, we'll let you take it away. Well, well, my name is uh Charles Mcccleinto Wilson. I was born in the Dominican Republic, but I consider myself in Florida from West Palm Beach. I'm a photojournalist and I work for Well, I'm more like a cont and a contributor to uh multiple like photos agencies, >> right? Cuz you work freelance. >> Freelance. Yes. >> You can just like show up at an event with your super nice camera, take some super nice pictures, and then you can sell those pictures to >> Yeah. I saw like like I last week I did the uh it's a lake city here. So like the no kings protest. >> Yeah. >> So I what I do is like take those photos and then I submit it to the the the the news agency that I work with. Before we do jump to the event, I just want to say like I highly highly recommend you guys go find the articles of Charles and go watch like some of his backstory. He's had you've said you've had an interview in the past, right? >> Yeah, I did an interview for local magazine in Utah. >> So, it's like a it's a written interview. >> It was called Voyage Utah. >> Yeah, it's like a written thing like they asked kind of they sent >> We can post the link to that article in our YouTube video. >> It's absolutely insane. And just like to summarize it really really quick, like he was kept in a shed basically for years and for no reason basically this 50-year-old man went to the Dominican which is where he's from and then like brought you back to the US and kept you captive with a dog and put stuff in front of the doors. >> Okay. So, um let's jump now to September 10th of this year. >> Uh the day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. So, I just want to ask you a couple questions about that. So, why did you decide to work the Charlie Kirk event? >> I saw like I already knew like about a week or a week or week and a half before the event that that was going on because I remember me going through uh Instagram and I think I saw something like a a promotional thing. >> Uhhuh. >> And I was like, well, Charlie Kirk is coming to town. And my wife my wife like I didn't know before I met my wife. I didn't know much about her. I didn't know anything about Charlie Kirk. But you know back in election year my me and my wife used to watch a lot of his videos >> you know like a lot of political videos back in uh 2024. >> So did a company hire you to >> No company didn't hire me. I were like I say I work for different uh news agency like news uh photos agencies >> like Zuma Press like that's the one that I was kind of like I don't work for them like they didn't hire me. was more like a freelance job. I was there. Well, let me Charlie Charlie Kirk is coming. Let me go up up up there up to UVU and just take photos of him because you know every most news agency and everybody knows like in the news world know who Charlie Kirk is. >> Yeah. >> So I knew they were that they were going to take those photos and Yeah. And that's why I was there and again I told my wife she's a huge fan of him and she was like yeah sure doing like and I brought her with me. Yeah. So, before we get more into that, I wanted to ask you when was the first time you heard your name mentioned online regarding the Charlie Kirk assassination? >> So, because I work with mil different agencies and stuff, I so Google have an option that it's like you can create alerts >> cuz I want to know who's using my photo, where they landed or whatever. So that night I was getting a lot of so every time somebody in newspaper or news magazine use my name my photo I get a notification like oh this paper is using so I was getting a lot of those like my name was kind of like >> oh yeah cuz your photos are >> so my name was like coming up like a lot what's going on so and then somehow I ended up on Twitter on X and then I saw a you like a I don't know if he's a YouTuber or something but Somebody posted a video and that video was the video of a YouTuber. >> Yeah, I think so. Yeah. So, I'm like, "Oh, look. There's this guy right here. I hear the word ponytail." >> Right. And let's clarify this right now. And it looks like you have a little ponytail. >> I wish I got a bong ball. [laughter] >> We want to bring up some clips from Baron Coleman's podcast. Um, and Baron Coleman, just to put in p perspective for everyone who he is, he's a YouTube podcaster who used to be a radio talk show host and according to online, he was also a practicing attorney. I don't know what if that's his current job now. Um, but we can watch the videos together. Um, hear Baron's observations and questions and then give you a chance to respond to him. >> Okay. >> There's my guy right here. See him up here? >> Yeah, that's me. You remember the Getty picture I just showed you a second ago with the guy? That's his Nikon camera. Look how zoomed it is. >> So, he is looking right now. This guy is positioned behind the stage. Now, there's a walkway. There's that hall of flags. By now, we're all positioned with the campus. This is all going to be very important in a second. Trust me. Right now, this guy is positioned looking behind Kirk. This is 25 seconds before Charlie Kirk is assassinated. Charlie Kirk has just taken a few questions. He's sitting down and this guy that I'm looking at here, I want you to keep an eye on this guy for just a minute. If you remember, after the hubhub and commotion, there wasn't much going on back there. There were a couple of SUVs, there were some people standing around, but there was no like nothing that I could see where you would want to take an image backstage. >> But I guess the big question is, what were you zooming in on behind Charlie Kirk? And why didn't you post those photos? And do you have those photos? >> So, usually me as a photographer, like I have a thing. When I go to one of those events, I try to take photos of pretty much everything. I mean, a lot of people are like, "Oh, do you take photos of the shooter?" I mean, there's no way you could have sent the shooter. I mean, it was like all the way up there, >> but like I tried to take photos of pretty much everything. But I was taking photos of a cops. There was a cop there >> behind the tent. >> Yeah, there was a police officer. So, I was taking a photo because you I can use those photos for >> for my stock uh like photography stuff like you know like they can use it to talk about police officers in Utah or whatever. So, I was just taking photos of the cops, literally. That's why I was there >> and and just taking photos of stuff around, but that that there was nothing like crazy like it was nothing interesting back there. >> Okay. >> I would just me because I try to take photos of everything, every m every little thing. >> Do you have like photos of the cop or did you actually click >> there? It's on the website. That photo, that photo that I took of that cop is on there on my website is on there. Not with the Charlie because I what I did was I put Charlie, you know, um, basically I created his own gallery, >> right? I saw that on your website. It was like all of Charlie and it was all of the the audience >> and then the audience. And so on that on the audience um gallery, that's where the that cop is at is in there. >> Okay. All right. Well, let's go to the second clip then. But I will show you what I'm talking about. You see that? Is that an earring or an earpiece? It look like an earring, right? >> There's a ponytail there, too. >> That right there. >> Yeah, that's just my wife's hair. >> This is the guy I'm interested in this video. >> Oh, it's always like standing on top of something like this. >> If I am looking carefully, this is an earlobe. That is an earlobe right here. comes around the top. >> This my ear. >> Yeah, my earrings earpiece. >> They're just my earring. Yeah, >> because I'm changing my mind actually on the fly. Uh if this is his earlobe right here, that's an earpiece. >> All right. So, just to confirm for everyone, it's not an earpiece. It's an earring. >> This is earrings. Try this one probably. >> Yeah. There you go. They're very shiny. And also, if that footage, whatever that footage is that Baron's reviewing, if that was taken on iPhone, that could be like messed up quality, too. >> Yeah. I mean, you can still can tell he's is >> Yeah, it's a little grainy, so I can understand his questions. And just just to clarify, I don't think Baron's trying to accuse you of anything. We're not trying plenty of time. >> We're not accusing him of accusing you. He's just asking questions. >> And you know, when I saw the video, I didn't think he was like me or anything. >> He's very like nice about it. >> Yeah. I was just more like just like everybody else. We're just trying to find uh answers like what happened. I mean >> whatever. But >> yeah, exactly. Okay, so we got a few more. Let's click on the third one. >> He sees whatever it is he wants to see back there. He puts the camera down and then he leans in as if to get the attention of somebody under the state under the under the uh tent. To be honest, I don't even remember like me doing that, but most likely was because I'm trying to I don't know, take photos of Charlie probably. I don't remember why I did that. I think it was more like a let me just whatever. I would just being a human just moving moving my hands, moving my things, but it was just talking just just looking at Charlie literally that's what I was doing. >> Mhm. So, I don't remember a particular reason why I pan down, why I was like doing that. >> There's another clip that Baron talked about where he in the same exact YouTube video. >> Now, where is he looking? He's no longer looking behind the stage. He's no longer looking under the tent. It's been 8 seconds since the video started. Now, his Watch what he's about to do with his lanyard here. The lanyard goes from white to black. Did you catch it? >> That's my press batch. So that black part that's my face and my name. So I the reason why I flipped it was because so there was a lady there was a one a lady that one of Charlie Kurt's staff member that she was just walking around and I just I flip it so she can see my name just in case. I want her to know that I'm pressed so she doesn't give me a hard time. So she doesn't like okay whatever. So she can leave me alone cuz she was kind of like asking people to move like >> cameras not allowed. camera were a lot but like >> so she was moving people out of the way out like clearing people out of this little uh the bars whatever >> so she was moving people out of that way she wasn't moving me but like I was like flipping my my camera I want to make sure I always make sure that people can see my name and my my my press badge so that again so they don't give me a hard time right >> because you know when you press people leave it alone >> so and that's why if because it was white on the white part they just just instruction with the black part that's where you can see my name that's why you can see the >> your credentials >> my credential my press credential my badge and that's why I flip it like that so she came because during that time she was walking around uh kind of like just to asking people to to move and I saw her kind of like whatever she was doing already but like for a minute already so I was like let me make sure that she can see this so she doesn't again just so she doesn't think whatever >> okay that actually makes a lot of sense and I was really curious what you were going to say about that. Um, do you remember like cuz in that video you're looking towards like what it seems like you're looking towards that camera that's taking that footage. So it looks like in that video like when you're flipping your badge it looks like you're looking at that camera that's like filming you right there. Do you remember? >> Well, I think I remember that part of the YouTube video cuz the shot happened like kind of like around that that time, right? Like seconds. >> Baron said it's like 8 seconds. So what it was I'm trying to find because I already took enough photo of Charlie. I already had a by that time I already got a bunch of photos of him. >> So I'm trying to get photos of the audience. >> So I'm kind of like looking to see if I see something cool, something interesting, whatever. >> Yeah. >> And that's like that's why I'm looking like >> And you're wearing sunglasses, too. So you're probably like scanning. >> That's another thing a lot of people like, why is he wearing sunglasses? Like you're the photographer. You're not supposed to. You can literally take good photos wearing your sunglasses. you can do it. Sometime I even forget that I'm wearing my sunglasses cuz I wear them all the time, >> right? >> And yeah, so I got my sunglasses on, whatever. So I was just looking uh just to see just looking at audience members just to see if I see something cool, somebody like whatever screaming. Yeah, that's literally what I was doing. There is nothing there. Okay. So, the next clip we're going to play, so um the alleged shooter shot off of the the Lozy Center, which >> Baron makes a video of it. >> Yeah. Which would be directly to your right, but it seems like the crowd and you were looking straight, >> right? >> So, we'll play that video right now and then we'll talk about it. >> This is his reaction. He goes down. Camera goes down. Look, mouths opening in the background. Camera goes down. Look where he looks. Look where he looks. He does not look back at the Losi center. >> This is where he get shot. >> Look where he looks. Back to Charlie's 11. back to his 10:30 or 11. >> I can I'm just looking on. >> He has not looked at Charlie's 12 where the Losi center is. Boom. Shot. Get down. Look where he looks. >> Again, we just going to go back. I'm just literally just looking uh just looking for for for faces, looking for shots, like photoshops. >> Yeah, photo shots. >> Looking for, you know, reactions. That's literally what I'm doing that whole time. >> Uhhuh. Is that when Charlie get shot, right? Like >> Yeah, >> cuz everyone everyone else is still looking at Charlie. >> Also also the shot happened so fast like most people reacted when when we when they saw we saw security guards jumping to aid Charlie Kirk and like that's when everybody started running cuz we saw my wife I thought we all thought it was just a fireworks or something like that like >> Mhm. And that was my next question. So, a lot of people say that they heard two gunshots. >> Me personally, I heard one gunshot. >> You heard one >> one shot. >> And what was like your initial reaction when you heard it? Like, did you duck? Did you run? >> So, when I saw Charlie, I went down and I took a photo of his people like taking I didn't post this photo. I have photos of like I releas I I I I released one photo of when they were which is known which I'm not proud of it and I'm making clear that is known as the last photo of a Charlie Kirk alive. Well, I mean obviously there's phone videos and stuff like that but like when they were taken but also I took other photos when but I didn't release those photos just for cuz it's just >> Do you have photos of him behind the tent when he was >> I had them. So I had those photo when he got shot but not like when he like when the bullet hit him but when he down when >> you have photos of them >> I had them. So I don't have them anymore. >> Why? >> Because well because I'm like I'm thinking about the family. I didn't want his kids to see those photos. >> But what if it helps with the investigation? >> The photos. >> Yeah. I mean, if they come to me and like, look, Charlie Kirk, people, they reach out to me. >> Do you think it's weird that they haven't reached out to you? >> Well, I think >> when you have such clear photos of the entire crowd, >> I was telling my wife, well, most likely they're going to reach out to me and then like at 2:00 a.m. in the morning that day, well, was the next day 2 a.m. Whatever. But anyway, everybody know what I mean. But like at 2 a.m. like 2 a.m. 1 a.m. or something. Charlie Kerr, one of Charlie Ker people, like one of his assistant, I was reaching out to EVA and they reached out to me like, "Oh, well, you need to reach out to the uh Turning Point USA people." >> Wait, Turning Point did reach out. >> Yes. They were just asking me, "Hey, uh, Charles, uh, Charles, whatever. Like were you cuz I I heard you were looking for um like press credential, you know, or you just want to make sure that you got like >> Wait, she it's a girl. >> It's a girl. Yeah, she's one of the She's one of like one of the >> Do you know her name? >> I do know her. I don't remember her name though. >> Is And this is 2 a.m. >> Charlie's still alive. >> No, Charlie. No, that was No, that was on September 11. If you want to be if you want to be smart about it, whatever. >> Yeah. So September 11 at 2:00 a.m. somebody from Charlie Kirk circle like from this thing. I think it was one of the top one the top staff and she was asking about guess she found out that I was looking that I was trying to get some press credential for me uh uh for me to be at the event and she's like oh just want to make sure that you got I want to make sure is that okay for checking that text exactly what you said though >> of course that's actually >> let me see if I have it >> hi Charles my name is Aubrey L A I T S >> Wish >> C H and I am the PR manager for TPUSA. Did you happen to go to the event at UVU today? It was mentioned to me that you wanted to come as press and you said, "Hey, Aubrey, yes, I was there today. I'm so sorry about Charlie. Such an awful day." And she did not respond. >> She did not respond. So that's that that that's that's all I got like from the whole Charlie from the whole uh Turning Point uh Turning Point USA thing. >> Wow. Interesting. She didn't respond after that. Well, because I think what it was, this is me. I don't know. Again, I do not know why she didn't reach out back to me because I think what it they just trying to find maybe they were trying to find like I don't know who did it. They're still looking for answers because at that time we didn't have a shooter, >> right? >> We didn't have we were still so I think they were just trying to talk to anybody that was there and because I reached out to UVU a couple of weeks before, like a week before, a week and a half before the event, they were like, "Oh, but there's this guy. he probably whatever he's a photographer and you know I don't know maybe they're trying to put pieces together but then the next day they got the killer >> right so then maybe it was irrelevant now hypothetically >> so yeah so they're like oh maybe we don't need anything from him anymore >> okay and then the the last question I don't know if you have more questions about this but did you when you were taking photos did you see anyone on the roof did you see anything suspicious in the crowd anyone that looked kind of fishy to you >> I did not see anybody very suspicious and everything was just I mean you got a bunch you have like 2,000 people there and everybody just you know everybody just having like such a good time. So at first when I got there you know when I saw getting crowded I'm like because there was no security there was nothing they were not check they weren't shaking back >> that was really really crazy >> and that's why I'm kind of disappointed with UVU you know after of course like I mean feeling some type of way after it happened was like first of all you're going to have this massive political figure coming into town. Wait, wait, wait. So, did you take note of that in your head? Like something that you notice like is there no security here? >> Yeah. On my head, I'm like I'm thinking about that kind of stuff. I'm like I mean they have a couple of cops like I remember when I went up up to the you know like there's like a spot like on top of >> on top of the tent when I went up there so I can take actually got photos of that uh of that area cuz I wanted to take photos of the crowd the whole thing. So I went up there. So when I got up there, they were kind of like taping that area. Actually, I got photos of the those cops when they were taping that area. >> Mhm. >> And kind of like cuz I think because the uh it was right above Charlie Kirk uh 10. So they I guess they wanted to secure that area, >> right? >> So they were like, "Oh, you can't be here." So they kind of like asked me to like to move out of the area. So I went down again. But yeah, at first I was like, "Well, we don't have they only got like three, five cops or whatever." So I was thinking about all that kind of stuff like you know the shooting going on and like they're not checking bags. This is a guy that everybody likes. A lot of people likes him but a lot of people don't like him. >> A lot of people hate him. >> A lot of people hate him, you know, and like you need to you need more security. And that's what you're thinking before even Charlie got there. >> They're like why was there no one on the roof? >> There's no one on the roof. There's no one on the roof. There's nobody checking bags. There's nobody checking checking for suspicious people. So, for the very last video, >> um, this actually I know I said previously like this one makes you look suspicious. This one is what people are like >> he's definitely part of it. >> This is the video that shows and I don't know if you know about Google um >> Google Trends. Are you familiar with Google Trends? >> I didn't know what it was until like recently stuff. >> Yeah. So, Google Trends, just to give everyone like a background, you can search a person, a place, and you can look up when their name was searched and where, like the location of it. >> Yeah. >> And there's a lot of theories online right now that maybe Israel is involved in the shooting. >> Maybe. >> Maybe. We're not saying it is. There's just theories circulating online. So, a lot of people have been looking into >> from Israel. So, >> and Baron Coleman, the guy whose videos we've been showing, is the one who kind of like introduced it to the mainstream people who didn't really know about it before. And this is a different video of his show as well, too. >> Here's the video. >> He was searched on September 1st, 2025, >> 9 days before Charlie Kirk was killed. >> He was searched on August 7th, the month before, and he was searched on June 18th. Now, this guy is Dominican. He lives in America. So, let's expand the notion here. Let's expand the operation. Let's go back several years. Look, there are things back here. So, again, full transparency, there were hits in Israel in years past. And if we go to the District of Colombia, nothing for 5 years. Let's go to the United States as a whole. Nothing for 5 years. >> So why do you think you were searched in Israel a couple months leading up to Charlie Kirk's assassination? >> Well, first of all, was his name Baron? So bearing >> so Mlin talk, I don't know if that's the reason why, but whatever. But the word the word Mlin talk >> has to cease. I think he only used one. So I don't think he didn't look the whole thing >> because I think for that whole Google trend things to work fine or to work well you need to put everything like right >> okay cuz he was like I put the dash >> everything he didn't he didn't put that extra C in there >> so there's seed there's two seed on Mlin talk >> and you didn't change your name recently to two seeds >> no I always go to to seed I always use two se >> like >> I mean you can look it Like I mean my name is all over like because of the papers and all of that. It's always to see. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So [snorts] this is a different Charles Mc Charles. I don't know. >> Yeah. We were searching we were searching our names and so I've done like Tik Tok stuff before. Like I used to live in a van and I would Tik Tok about it and I've seen my name searched in in the time that I was doing Tik Tok and like it kind of fell off afterwards when I stopped doing Tik Tok. But Bry's name hadn't been searched had it had it been searched at all in the US. >> In the US, but like I think like years ago or something, but but [clears throat] not in Israel. And also, um, he's done live searches on Google Trends. >> Well, this is a live video. This is a clip from his live video, >> right? I'm saying when he does that and then you go back and look and they've been erasing searches, >> isn't that? Yeah. What? >> So, the the whoever's running Google Trends, they've been erasing searches. once they become known. >> And this is why this is such a big like thing right now, Google Trends, is because a lot of people have been searching um the hospitals near you, >> the surgeons, the lawyers, um >> Tyler Robinson's own name, which apparently involved and once you look at those searches, they're just they're gone the next day once it goes public on the internet. Okay. >> So, when your name came up on Baron Coleman's podcast and it showed up in Israel, everyone was like, "Oh, that's questionable." But also, wait, the specifically the dates that it showed up in Israel because it was like, wait, what did he say? June 18th or something. And like a lot of this these searches like >> June, August, and September of 2025. So also like papers in Israel like magazines and publication some of them they use my photos before. >> Okay. So that could be a >> it could be like uh they there was a probably a newspaper there they used on my photo and then somebody was curious and >> I mean I don't know I I don't really don't understand kind of like that the Google trend stuff. I don't >> but maybe could I don't know maybe that's why it popped up. >> Yeah. >> But again he missed a C. He did miss a C. >> Well, we'll let him know. Baron, you missed a C. >> Baron, did you hear that? >> Double check it with a double C. >> Yeah. >> No, I'm just kidding. But thank you for clarifying that. >> Yeah. >> What is your theory about what happened? >> Well, this is what I think. This is my theory. I think they have >> I feel like >> this is I feel like they have the right guy. >> You think Tyler Robinson >> I think Tyler Robinson is the shooter. >> Oh my god. >> Really? >> I think so. Yeah. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. I don't know. But this is me. This is Charles. My brain is telling me. I mean, everything is possible. I don't know. But like I feel like this they have the right guy. I think this cuz the thing is first of all, he hasn't say anything. I mean, why would you take the blame for something you haven't done? >> Well, there's a gag order on him now. >> I know. I really mad about that kind of stuff because I feel like, you know, I can't cover the whole event. me as a photojournalist. I want to make sure I want to make sure that I got Tyler Robinson walking around with chocolates and stuff like that, you know, in order. >> Yeah. Do you think he was the only one involved though? >> Well, on that honestly, I don't think he I don't think he worked alone on that. I think somebody other people knew about it. >> Either his uh roommate or whatever uh >> his boyfriend Lance, >> but definitely he knew about it. And that's what I think. >> You know, Lance Twigs is like nowhere to be found right now. Oh, he's like in the witness protection program. >> Yeah, everybody moved out. Same >> with Tyler's parents. >> Yeah. Nobody's in St. George anymore. So, but I do think this is me. Again, I might be wrong cuz I'm human, but this is >> I mean, we might be wrong, too. >> Yeah. I think they I think they have the right guy. I think Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kurt. >> We've been listening to tons of different things, gathering information, trying to put a timeline together, and I absolutely do not think that Tyler Robinson took the shot, but that's my opinion. Yeah, >> I think there's a lot of other people involved. >> This is why we started this podcast agree with you. >> I think of course I I think >> conspiracy theory. So >> I I think he took the shot but I don't think he were alone. I mean I don't >> but I have a question for you. Do you shoot guns? >> I don't. >> Okay. So the gun allowed to have a gun. the mouser gun that was that was used. All the hunters and gun owners that that have been online talking about they're like that gun would have blown his neck off. >> I think they have the right shooter or the the guy that took the shot now. But like I don't know. I feel like they're not releasing like a lot of stuff like you know like >> Mhm. >> like the neck being healthy. It was a miracle. I think one of his people were saying >> man of steel. Yeah. >> Yeah. One of his own staff member was saying well like you know >> Andrew Kulvet. Yeah. >> Yeah. He he's oh he's um Charlie play you know he did his last miracle on this earth. >> I mean I don't know. Again I don't try to whatever but like I just thought it was weird that they said that you know like whatever. >> I just feel like they should release more information like that camera. Uh, again, we're just having a conversation here, but >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But like that camera there that I'm that camera captured the whole thing. I mean, Charlie Kirk when using his videos, right, he he has a camera everywhere, right? [snorts] >> Yeah. And it's like why won't they release all the footage? >> Yeah. But probably they did to the authority maybe. I don't know. But like to calm down all this conspiracy stuff, all this. >> Yeah. Just release it. >> Just >> there's nothing nefarious. Just release it. >> Yeah. Nothing to hide. just But again, I think he he that's what I think. I might be wrong. >> No. And you're That's why I wanted to ask you. We want You're there. >> I was there and I didn't see him shooting Charlie Kirk, but I think he got he he's the the killer. I mean, he's the shooter. >> I mean, because the thing is, >> this is also what I think and whatever. >> Like Charlie K, of course, he had people that cared and love him, but also he had people that hated him. Like I said earlier, like there's not I try to find a reason why would the some government of want to take him out. That's my thing. So I was telling you about the dates earlier about like how you were even like the wrong name without the C. I was like oh but it was in June. In June and July there's all these stuff all this stuff happening that's like looking really suspicious with the Charlie Hart case cage. Like can you remember anything else from like those? >> Well just like the searches like people were searching and stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. The surgeons, the lawyers, the UVU campus, like you but spelled your name wrong. All around July of 2025ish. >> Like this year. >> Yes. >> And people you want me what? >> No, I was just going to say like also the one of the planes involved in the case. So like the last time that it was in the United States and it was from Egypt, the last time it was in the United States was um July 20th. Yeah. Mhm. >> Sorry, my heart's like beating fast asking you this cuz I feel bad. But um so someone on Reddit was like, "I wish we could look up like the lawyers phone numbers and like see like what like um what's the what's the word called? Like platform like Verizon >> AT&T, >> like the network." >> Well, I have like I have the photographers's phone number. This was last night and I was like, >> "You thinking about releasing my stuff?" >> No, we would never release your phone number. I just >> so I like I like used one of these apps and I was like I was like >> I don't know does he use Verizon? I just like put it in. I actually was like I wonder if he's using a texting app cuz it's green, >> right? Well, I I have an Android. >> And then Yeah, I know. Let's stop. Like >> I'm poor. I ain't rich like you. >> I'm not rich. I promise. [laughter] >> Um but then it like the app was like activated. This phone number was activated on July 25th. And I was like, >> my phone number? >> Yeah. >> Was when? July 25. >> Well, I got that number since I moved to Utah. >> Well, it was July. It was in July of 2025, right? >> Yeah. In July of >> 2020. Your phone number, your current phone number activated in July of >> So, our phone, my phone was with Verizon before. No, it was at first when I moved to Utah, it was T-Mobile >> and I was like I looked that up last night and I was like, "Oh my god, July 25th." Everything else that was crazy happened on July 20th. >> Well, I just switched my phone. My phone >> because because you moved to Utah when >> I moved [clears throat] to Utah um >> like what year? >> It was um at the end of the year, the year 2022. So was December 25th 20 something like that. >> Oh Christmas. >> Yeah. Around that time. Yeah. >> In 2022. >> 2022. Yeah. >> And then you changed your phone July of this year. >> Yeah. I changed my phone. No, I changed it on that run that on 2023 cuz the reason why I changed my phone number was because I didn't want my people in Florida to bother me. I had a Florida phone so I changed it to the Utah phone number. >> Okay. Okay. >> So that land there, that network was uh uh T-Mobile. So we switch it to Verizon, >> right? >> And then Verizon got very expensive [laughter] >> and we switch it to uh >> AT&T. Denny T-Mobile. Which one is it? >> AT&T. >> AT&T. >> Sorry, I know that. >> Um I don't even know her number. I I don't even know my own number. So I'm really whatever. But yeah, that's that's I just I just delaying. >> You'll learn it eventually. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, the phone thing is probably like just like terrible timing, like coincidence. >> Yeah. >> Is there anything else you want to talk about or clarify while you're here? >> Uh, I mean, I think there's something that I need to clarify. >> All right. Well, Charles, thank you for coming on the first episode of the Brandy and Billy Show. If we have any more follow-up questions, please come back on. >> Thank you for dealing with my terrible camera. first episode. This will not happen again. >> Thank you so much for having me.
