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NissCee.Social: Baron Coleman Uncovers Critical Discord Evidence That Could Unravel the Tyler Robinson Case
Baron Coleman reveals a crucial discovery buried in court documents that challenges the official timeline of Tyler Robinson's surrender in the Charlie Kirk case. A Bates stamp number on a Miranda warning video suggests Tyler Robinson was already in police custody at 6:25 PM on September 11th, more than an hour before he allegedly sent a Discord confession to friends at 7:57 PM. This timeline discrepancy raises serious questions about the authenticity of the confession and whether key evidence was fabricated. Coleman walks through the legal implications of the Miranda warning timing, analyzes suspicious language in the police interview, and discusses a mysterious spy plane that circled over Washington County during Robinson's supposed surrender.
The Bates Stamp Discovery That Changes Everything
Baron Coleman has uncovered what could be the most significant piece of evidence in the Tyler Robinson case—a detail so important it might unravel the entire official narrative. Buried deep in a 250-page court document filed in March was a reference to a Bates stamped video with the identifier 3996-R1. At first, this number seemed insignificant, just a reference point for judges reviewing evidence. But when Coleman cross-referenced it with later court filings, he discovered something remarkable: this Bates number corresponds to video footage taken at the Washington County Sheriff's Office on September 11th, 2025.
The video shows Tyler Robinson being read his Miranda rights at 6:25 PM that evening. The problem? According to the official narrative, Tyler Robinson didn't turn himself in until after 8:00 PM that night, following the FBI's release of surveillance footage. Even more troubling, the Discord message where Robinson allegedly confessed to his friends—"Hey guys, I have bad news for you all. It was me at UVU yesterday"—was supposedly sent at 7:57 PM Utah time, more than an hour after he was already in police custody asserting his Fifth Amendment rights.
Understanding the Official Timeline
To understand why this discovery matters, we need to review the official sequence of events. According to law enforcement, Tyler Robinson turned himself into the Washington County Sheriff's Office after 8:00 PM on September 11th, shortly after the FBI released enhanced surveillance footage from the UVU campus. The narrative states that Robinson's father saw the footage, identified his son, and contacted authorities. Robinson then allegedly confessed to friends via Discord before surrendering.
Because the crime occurred in Utah County (where UVU is located) rather than Washington County (where Robinson lives), he had to wait for a Utah County officer to make the nearly four-hour drive to Washington County. Officer Brian Davis arrived at 10:00 PM, officially arrested Robinson, and then transported him back to Utah County for booking. According to supporters of the official narrative, Robinson wasn't read his Miranda rights until 6:25 PM the following day—September 12th—while in Utah County custody.
But Coleman's discovery of the Bates stamp number tells a very different story. The video reference 3996-R1 is definitively linked to footage captured at the Washington County Sheriff's Office on September 11th, not September 12th. This means Robinson was already in custody and being read his rights at 6:25 PM on the 11th—before the FBI even released the footage that supposedly prompted his father to turn him in.
How Bates Numbering Works in Legal Discovery
For those unfamiliar with legal procedures, Bates stamping is the standard method courts use to organize and reference evidence. Each unique video or document receives its own Bates stamp number. If you have security footage from Washington County, it gets one number. If you have footage from Utah County, it gets a separate number. The suffixes like R1, R2, or R3 indicate edited versions of the original—perhaps with faces blurred, audio muted, or sections redacted—but they all derive from the same source footage identified by the base Bates number.
In this case, 3996 is the base number assigned to video captured at the Washington County Sheriff's Office on September 11th. The exhibit list in court documents confirms this. When defense attorneys referenced video 3996-R2 in their motion to exclude media from the courtroom, they were citing footage from that specific time and location. The fact that Robinson's Miranda warning appears in footage with this Bates number is not a clerical error or coincidence—it's a clear indication of when and where that conversation took place.
Coleman emphasizes that no lawyers involved in the case have disputed this interpretation. The government officials overseeing the prosecution have never challenged it. The only people arguing against this reading are, as Coleman puts it, "hangers on who are desperate to salvage this Tyler Robinson did it alone narrative."
The Language That Doesn't Add Up
Beyond the Bates stamp evidence, Coleman points to specific language in the Miranda warning conversation that reveals inconsistencies with the official timeline. In the transcript, Robinson tells the officer: "His office is closed for the night. My parents are trying to get in touch with him."
Coleman, a practicing attorney with over 20 years of experience, notes that this phrasing only makes sense if the conversation happened on Thursday evening, September 11th. "No legal office I'm aware of is open on Saturday morning," Coleman explains. "We don't have legal clinics in the morning. You just open back up on Monday." If Robinson was speaking on Friday evening, September 12th, he wouldn't say the office is "closed for the night"—implying it would reopen soon—because law offices don't open on weekends.
The reference to his parents actively trying to reach the attorney also suggests recent communication. If Robinson had been in custody since Thursday night without being Miranda warned until Friday evening—as the official narrative requires—how would he know what his parents had been doing all day? How would he know they were trying to contact the attorney? The logical conclusion is that this conversation happened shortly after Robinson arrived at the Washington County facility, while he still had recent knowledge of his parents' activities.
Even more telling, Robinson refers to attorney Doug Terry as being "here"—a phrasing that makes no sense if Robinson is sitting in a Utah County jail cell four hours away. Doug Terry is a well-known and beloved attorney in Washington County who retired in December 2024 after this case opened. The word "here" clearly indicates Robinson is in Washington County, not Provo.
The Discord Confession That Doesn't Make Sense
The implications for the Discord message are profound. If Robinson was already in police custody at 6:25 PM and had just asserted his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent and request an attorney, would he then pick up his phone an hour later and send a public confession to his Discord friends? The scenario defies logic on multiple levels.
First, when you invoke your Fifth Amendment rights, it's not just about refusing to answer specific questions about the crime. As Coleman explains, it encompasses "everything surrounding it. It's anything that could reasonably implicate you in the crime." A message saying "It was me at UVU yesterday" clearly falls into that category, even if the exact meaning is ambiguous. Would someone who just told police he wanted a lawyer immediately turn around and create written evidence of his presence at the crime scene?
Second, the message itself is oddly public and permanent. The Discord message would be visible to anyone in that server for posterity. If Robinson was this mastermind who supposedly wrote a handwritten confession letter (later destroyed), set up auto-texts, drafted numerous confessional messages, why would he also need to announce his guilt in a semi-public forum? As Coleman points out, the pattern makes no sense: "You would have to believe that he decided he was going to commit a crime of the century, take it to his grave. But before he did that, he was going to write a handwritten letter to somebody confessing, set up auto texts to someone confessing, draft many texts in the immediate aftermath confessing, go to the police station, and either shortly before or shortly after turning yourself in, write a public Discord message for all of posterity."
The evidence suggests the Discord message was not sent by Robinson at all, but rather fabricated as part of building the case against him while he was already in custody.
The Probable Cause Affidavit Timeline
Another timeline problem emerges when examining the probable cause affidavit filed at 7:00 AM on September 12th. By that early morning hour, investigators had already interviewed Robinson's roommate Lance Twiggs, who told them about Discord conversations and jokes Robinson had allegedly made. They had also interviewed family members about Robinson's statements before the incident.
Yet according to the official narrative, they hadn't interviewed Robinson himself yet. They hadn't Miranda warned him. They waited until 6:25 PM that evening—supposedly—to finally read him his rights and attempt to get a statement. This makes no sense from a law enforcement perspective. As Coleman explains, police want to get Miranda warnings done "early and often" to ensure any statements made afterward are admissible in court. Waiting more than 20 hours to Miranda warn a suspect in custody creates unnecessary legal risk.
"You can't use it. You've not given him a Miranda warning," Coleman says about any confession made before being properly advised of rights. "That's not a position a police department wants to find itself in." The idea that they would interview the roommate, interview the parents, but wait an entire day to formally process the actual suspect strains credulity.
Small Details That Reveal Larger Problems
Coleman and the interviewer also noted a curious discrepancy in the probable cause affidavit itself. The document states that at approximately 12:15 PM on September 11th, "suspect was observed walking up the stairs that led to the common area adjacent to the Losee Center building. Suspect walked to a short concrete wall that separates the common area from the rooftop of the Losee Center building."
The problem? There is no concrete wall. The barrier is a metal railing. Coleman's co-host pulled up photographs of the actual location, clearly showing railings, not a concrete wall. While this might seem like a minor error, it raises questions about the accuracy of other details in sworn law enforcement documents. If investigators are misrepresenting basic physical features of the crime scene in official filings, what else might be inaccurate?
Coleman is careful to note that probable cause affidavits are not held to the same standard as trial evidence. They're filed quickly to give judges a basis for holding someone in custody while charges proceed. The jury will never see these affidavits. But he cautions against treating them as gospel truth, as some supporters of the official narrative have done: "It seems like people on the other side are taking this as gospel, like God himself came and etched it into stone, and it's just not the way these things are to be read."
The Mysterious Spy Plane Over Washington County
Perhaps the most unsettling discovery Coleman has made involves military surveillance. On the evening of September 11th, around the time Robinson supposedly turned himself in, a sophisticated spy plane circled over Washington County at unusually low altitude before continuing to its destination.
The aircraft, identified as Axle 21 (tail number November 2100 Lima), is classified as a HADES-class plane—High Altitude Detection and Exploitation System. These are extraordinarily advanced surveillance platforms equipped with AI infrastructure capable of tracking people through their electronic devices, intercepting communications, and processing vast amounts of signals intelligence in real-time. Coleman describes them as "the types of planes we read about in sci-fi novels 30 or 40 years ago" now operating in reality.
Flight tracking data shows the plane departed Ontario, California at 8:00 PM—the exact moment when, according to the official story, the Washington County Sheriff received a call that Robinson wanted to surrender. Rather than flying directly to its destination in El Paso, Texas, the plane flew northeast to St. George, arriving over Washington County at approximately 8:37 PM. It circled the area, descending to its lowest altitude at 9:00 PM, before departing at 9:09 PM and continuing to El Paso.
"This very critical time in the official narrative," Coleman notes, is when "Tyler Robinson supposedly was calling the sheriff's department through a friend saying, 'I want to turn myself in.'" The timing is too precise to be coincidental. Even if we accept the official timeline that Robinson didn't surrender until after 8:00 PM, it means a government-contracted spy plane was dispatched from California to circle over Washington County at exactly that moment.
Coleman believes the plane's presence is "pretty damning evidence" regardless of which timeline you accept. But it becomes "really extra damning evidence if he was supposed to turn himself in after 8:00 and foiled the plan by turning himself in early, which is kind of my suspicion."
A Darker Theory: Robinson Wasn't Supposed to Survive
This leads Coleman to what he acknowledges is "a very dark conclusion." He believes Tyler Robinson was never supposed to survive September 11th. The plan, he theorizes, was for Robinson to either die in a shootout with police, be lured to a remote location and killed in what would be staged as a suicide, or otherwise be eliminated before he could be taken into custody and potentially complicate the narrative.
Coleman points to statements from Washington County Sheriff Eric Brooksby, who said Robinson was afraid of a shootout at his parents' house and was supposedly planning to drive to a remote location while being suicidal. "That's consistent with my theory that he wasn't supposed to survive that night," Coleman says. "And had he not survived, you and I would not be talking about this eight months later. It would have been 'a transfer did this and that's that.' Clean, quick, easy. No one would have taken a second look at it."
The spy plane may have been intended to assist in this operation—tracking Robinson's location, monitoring communications, perhaps even providing real-time intelligence to operatives on the ground. When Robinson instead walked into the sheriff's office earlier than expected, the plan fell apart. The plane arrived at 8:37 PM to find Robinson already in custody, rendering its mission moot.
This theory would also explain the fabricated Discord message. If Robinson was supposed to die before trial, investigators would need clear evidence of guilt to close the case quickly. A public confession message sent before death would serve that purpose perfectly. When Robinson survived and asserted his Fifth Amendment rights instead, that confession still needed to exist—so it was backdated to 7:57 PM in the official story, supposedly sent while he was already in custody.
Concerns About the Upcoming Trial
Coleman expresses deep concern that Tyler Robinson may never make it to trial. "I think that would be a travesty because I think it would delay or deny the public's ability to find out who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why," he says. He doesn't believe Robinson "actively participated in the actual death event that killed Charlie Kirk," but acknowledges that if Robinson was part of a larger conspiracy to kill Kirk, he could be facing life without parole regardless.
This creates a perverse incentive structure. If Robinson is facing life without parole anyway, prosecutors might offer a plea deal to get the death penalty off the table—in exchange for Robinson confessing to something he didn't do or accepting a lesser included offense. From the government's perspective, such a deal would avoid the public scrutiny of a trial while still securing a conviction. "We don't want to go through the trial. We don't want to do it for the victims. We don't want to pain the community. This is going to be very devastating. It's going to rip the community apart. Let's just put it behind us," Coleman imagines prosecutors might argue.
But Coleman has an even darker concern: "Tyler Robinson may be in grave danger the longer this investigation drags on." If there was indeed a conspiracy to frame Robinson, those involved never anticipated months of investigation by independent researchers uncovering inconsistencies in the official narrative. "The more people dig into this, I think the more danger Tyler Robinson faces because there's a real motivation not to let this thing go to trial, not to let the investigation continue. And as long as Tyler Robinson's alive, it's going to continue."
New Officials, New Questions
Coleman notes a pattern of new personnel taking key positions shortly before Charlie Kirk's death. "There were a lot of newbies in there that showed up on the scene shortly before this happened," he observes, listing the hospital administration, school officials, FBI field office, the judge assigned to the case (Judge Tony Graf), and even the medical examiner. "There's a lot of newness to the bureaucratic structure that encompasses this case. There's no doubt about that."
The replacement of these officials in such close temporal proximity to the incident raises questions about whether positions were strategically filled with people who would cooperate with a predetermined narrative. Coleman is careful not to make specific accusations, but the pattern is notable: if there was a conspiracy involving government involvement, "you could probably start naming some pretty high level officials as being involved."
One particular personnel change that may be related is Sheriff Eric Brooksby stepping down from his position. When asked if he thinks the case is connected to Brooksby's departure, Coleman is circumspect: "I don't know. I've heard the rumors that he stepped down because of some harassment allegation or whatever. I don't know whether that's true. I don't know whether it has to do with this case, whether he was fumbling it, whether he screwed up in dealing with the media, something he said in a press conference."
Broader Implications and Patterns
The interviewer raises the question of whether similar patterns might exist in other high-profile cases, specifically mentioning the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Coleman is reluctant to discuss that case on record, but offers some thoughts on the general phenomenon of how potential patsies might be recruited.
He theorizes that intelligence agencies target vulnerable individuals through two primary methods. First, they identify people who are "too chronically online" and susceptible to manipulation. "It's not that difficult for someone who's sophisticated, especially working for an intelligence agency, to infiltrate an online chat or to befriend someone and to persuade them to participate or to contract them to participate into something that they probably wouldn't have done had they not been manipulated into doing it."
Second, they leverage people who have committed serious crimes, particularly online offenses. "There are hundreds of thousands of people at any moment being investigated for crimes against children online. All of them are potential patsies because none of them want to go to prison for that crime." These individuals become susceptible to coercion: "We could take you to prison for that right now if you'd like, or we'll give you this option."
Coleman sees Tucker Carlson's reporting on Thomas Matthew Crooks as supporting this pattern—someone who started as a "rabid Donald Trump fan" before suddenly switching to viewing Trump as an enemy who "cannot be reelected and is going to destroy the country." Such rapid ideological shifts "don't seem very organic" and suggest external manipulation.
The Question of What Happens Next
For now, Baron Coleman continues investigating, documenting anomalies and preserving evidence for public scrutiny. He takes comfort in the decentralized nature of the investigation: "There's so many of us who are covering it and really if you do something to one person, you just bring more attention to the story." The existence of dozens or hundreds of independent researchers examining the case makes it difficult to suppress information without drawing even more attention.
Coleman doesn't believe the theory that Charlie Kirk faked his own death, finding it too far outside the realm of possibility. "He would have to be a monster to affect his death," especially given that children were present in the audience when Kirk was shot. The theory that Kirk is somehow alive "is like predicting the end of the world—there's really no reason to even entertain it."
As the Tyler Robinson trial approaches, the questions Coleman has raised about the Bates stamp evidence, the Miranda warning timeline, the Discord confession, and the spy plane surveillance will likely become more urgent. If the defense team is competent, they will challenge the admissibility of the Discord message based on the timeline evidence Coleman uncovered. They will question how their client could have sent a confession while already in custody asserting his Fifth Amendment rights. They will demand explanations for why a sophisticated military surveillance platform was circling over Washington County at the exact time Robinson was supposedly surrendering.
Whether Tyler Robinson goes to trial, accepts a plea deal, or faces some other outcome remains to be seen. But Baron Coleman's discovery of the Bates stamp evidence has opened a door that will be difficult for prosecutors to close. The official narrative has cracks, and those cracks are widening the more people examine the underlying documents and data. As Coleman puts it: "If there's a conspiracy to pin this on Tyler Robinson, I think that implies that this goes very high up in the government because a lot of people are in on this. A lot of agencies are in on this."
The truth of what happened to Charlie Kirk on September 11th, 2025 remains elusive. But thanks to investigators like Baron Coleman, the official story is no longer going unchallenged.
Video Transcript
The official narrative of the Charlie
Kirk case is that on the evening of
September 11th, 2025, Tyler Robinson
turned himself into the Washington
County Sheriff's Office. According to
the FBI, the walls began closing in on
Tyler after surveillance footage was
released and Tyler's parents began
asking questions.
>> Shortly after that 8:00 p.m. release, at
1000 p.m. local time, the suspect was in
custody. Why? because the father
informed us pursuant to an interview of
him that he looked at the video that we
released that evening and the enhanced
photos and identified the suspect.
>> By 7:57 p.m., Tyler Robinson had
confessed to his friends in a Discord
chat. And by 1000 p.m., he had been
arrested. Case closed. Or is it? Buried
deep in the case files, Baron Coleman
discovered a detail so important that
pulling on this thread could unravel the
entire case. Could this be the reason
that the Washington County Sheriff's
Office declined to turn over the footage
of Tyler Robinson turning himself in
when asked by a journalist? That is up
for you to decide. In today's video, I
talked to Baron Coleman about his
discovery and how this could impact the
upcoming Tyler Robinson trial.
>> Hi Baron, thank you so much for sitting
down to do this podcast with me.
>> Hey, I'm I'm glad to be here. Second
time on the Nissy Social Show. I
couldn't be more excited.
Yes, I can officially say friends to the
channel.
>> Yes, a friend of the channel. Okay,
good.
>> Friend to the channel.
So, you have been uncovering some very
interesting things as it pertains to the
Tyler Robinson case. That's why I wanted
to reach out to you to explain to the
audience this thing that you found
that's very significant with the Discord
messages that was supposedly sent by
Tyler Robinson.
>> Yeah. So, what what we discovered was um
buried in an old pleading was a
reference to a bait stamped video and
the in the old pleading the bait stamped
video did not have a date on it and um
and it turns out that's pretty relevant
as the case develops.
>> Let's remind everybody of the timeline
of events so they can understand the
significance of all of it.
>> So, hold on, let me remove that. So,
this is the Discord message. So that the
screenshot that I have has 8:57 p.m.,
but I believe the correct time in Utah
time was 7:57 p.m. on that.
>> You you are it was screen capped in
Wisconsin, which is on central time, so
you have to subtract an hour for Utah.
>> Is that Monkey is supposedly Tyler
Robinson's Discord account and it says,
"Hey guys, I have bad news for you all.
It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry
for all of this. I'm surrendering
through a share friend in a few moments.
Thanks for all the good times and
laughs. You've all been so amazing.
Thank you all for everything. So, this
is Tyler Robinson moments before turning
himself in in Washington County
confessing in a Discord message to his
friends that he was involved. And this
is very significant because we have
reason to believe that he could not have
been the person who sent this message.
And Baron discovered that when going
through some court documents. This is
the the motion where the the defense was
trying to make the argument that the
media should not be allowed in the
courtroom.
>> That's exactly what it is. Yeah. They
were they were making a motion that the
pre-trial publicity and trial publicity
would be too much to overcome for Tyler
Robinson. So, they wanted to keep all
the cameras out.
>> Can you just explain to to to the
audience what is significant about this
portion of the document? Well, this was
buried in a 250 something page document
that was filed in March. And it
initially came to my attention that the
6:25 p.m. timestamp was really not
relevant to the discussion. And why was
it in there? And so I started digging
into it and thinking, well, if if the
defense put 6:25 p.m. in there, maybe
they were trying to tell us that it was
6:25 p.m. on September 11th and not 6:25
p.m. on September 12th because the
conclusion everybody initially had was
he would have been mirandized in Utah
County on September 12th on the
afternoon or evening of September 12th.
>> But the pause let's Yeah, sorry. Let's
just remind everyone the difference cuz
he was Tyler Robinson lives in
Washington County.
>> The jurisdiction Yeah. The jurisdiction
where the crime happened was in Utah
County. That's where UVU is. They are
almost 4 hours apart by by car. So the
theory of the case is that he leaves his
home in Washington, drives almost 4
hours to UVU, does the crime, drives
back, and he turns himself in in
Washington. But because it's not within
jurisdiction, he has to eventually be
brought back 4 hours away to Utah
County. So the feds are telling us that
this conversation happens the next day
on September 12th in Utah County.
>> Well, let me just add that I don't know
that the feds have ever said it took
place in Utah County the next day. The
feds haven't said anything.
>> Panama Tactical says that.
>> Yeah. Okay. The feds. So, but we repeat
ourselves.
>> The feds. I I I reiterate. I stand by my
statement. I said what I said.
>> Yeah. And I did find it really curious
that they all keyed in on this in
attempt to save the federal narrative
when the feds have never made that claim
that this took place on September 12th.
But all the people supporting the fed
slap narrative, they jumped into action
to demand that everybody believe this
took place on September 12th. when the
federal government, the Utah state
government, the county attorney's
office, nobody else has made that claim
except the the hangers on and the TPSA
supporters and the and the fed slop.
Tyler Robinson did it by himself. People
>> editor Nissi here. So, I realize that
this may be a little confusing, so let
me just explain very quickly. The
official narrative is that Tyler
Robinson turned himself into the
Washington County Sheriff's Office after
8:00 p.m. on September 11th. Because the
crime happened in Utah County, Tyler
Robinson had to wait a couple of hours
for an officer from Utah County to drive
to Washington County. The officer
arrives at 10 p.m. and Tyler Robinson
was officially arrested. Tyler Robinson
then had to be driven to Utah County
where he was booked. At some point in
this process, Tyler Robinson was
mirandized. The question is, when did it
happen? Was it 6:25 p.m. on September
11th when he was in Washington County?
Or was it 6:25 p.m. on the 12th when he
was in Utah County? That's why this
Bates number is so significant. That's
why this Bates number lends itself to
support your theory that this
conversation happened on the 11th when
he was in Washington County, not on the
12th in Utah County.
>> Yeah. Because when when you when we saw
this first show up in March, that bait
stamps number meant nothing cuz there
was no reference to when it was
recorded. It was just in there. It
looked like an identifier like, "Hey,
judge, if you want to go back and watch
the video yourself, that's where you
would find it." It wasn't until a later
motion was filed that we discovered what
that bait stamp number meant and what
date it correlated to.
>> All right. And so, if we go to the
exhibit list, sorry, we're we're all
over the place. Let's see if we could
explain this in a very succinct manner.
Yeah, I'm trying to do I'm trying to do
commercial sound bites and then you can
clip it up later.
>> So 3996R1,
right? So we know that this is a video
that was taken at Washington County.
What does SO stand for? Sheriff's
Office, right?
>> Sheriff's Office on September 11, 2025.
So this this is the number that
references that video 399 R6 uh 39 3996
R1
>> M
>> and the
the base number here is R2. So can you
explain the significance of the R2 R1?
>> Yeah, of course. So the R2 and the R1
can be disregarded. The the important
number is the bait stamp number itself,
not the letters in the suffix
that follows. The 3996 is the bait stamp
number. Every video in Discovery gets
its own bait stamp number. So if you
have a security footage from Washington
County, that will get a bait stamp
number. If you have security footage
from Utah County, that will get a
separate bait stamp number. That is the
legal standard. Um that is what lawyers
all pretty much universally agree is the
way discovery is conducted. You identify
particular sources by a particular bait
stamp number. You will add a suffix to
that number R1, R2, R3 or clips that
originate from that larger bait stamp
number document R uh 3996 or a redacted
version. Maybe you have to blur out
somebody's face or you have some private
information or you have to mute it uh
for some reason at a particular time
that tells the judge it comes from 3996
but it's a version of 3996.
>> So we know that the conversation that is
happening here is a version of the
original video that was taken
on September 11th. So that would
therefore indicate that this
conversation happened on September 11th,
right?
>> Yeah. I mean that that's that's the only
way I think you can logically read this.
And again, I think it's important that
the lawyers involved in the case have
never disputed that. The government
officials involved in the case have
never disputed our interpretation on
this. The only people who have ever come
along to dispute it are hangers on who
are desperate to salvage this Tyler
Robinson did it alone narrative. So now
going through this conversation. So we
so we see here that it happened at 6:25
p.m. This time is significant because we
know that that Discord message was
supposedly sent at 7:57 p.m. Utah time.
So that would indicate that this
gentleman was having a conversation with
with law enforcement said, "I don't want
to talk to you. I want to see a lawyer."
and then an hour later went into his
phone, which he shouldn't have because
he was in custody, but let's he assumed
he had his phone. He then texted his
friends confessing to the crime while
sitting in the police station after
telling the police he wanted a lawyer.
It defies logic.
>> It does because when you assert your
fifth amendment right, you you it's a
whole series of things that come along
with that. When you say, "I want a
lawyer. I don't want to be questioned."
It's not just the specifics of the
crime. It's everything surrounding it.
It's anything that could reasonably
implicate you in the crime. And right
here, if you look at the the text of
that, he never says, "I am the person
who killed Tyler, I mean, who killed
Charlie Kirk." That those words aren't
in there. But he did say, "It was me at
UVU yesterday." That could mean it was
me driving around in the car, as you've
seen on the news. It was me walking down
the street, as you've seen on the news.
We don't know what he meant by it was me
at UVU yesterday, but we can reasonably
assume because he's asserting his fifth
amendment privilege that the it was me
means that's me they're talking about on
the news. That's me you're going to hear
about. Um, and it was me. The question
is, could he possibly have sent this an
hour and a half after telling the
police, I don't want to talk about it. I
want a lawyer. I don't want to implicate
myself in a crime.
Yeah, it it it defies logic.
It defi it defies logic. A lot of things
defy logic. The the the text messages
that were sent to to Lance Twigs, they
define logic. Uh this defies logic to
say that I was going to take this to my
grave,
>> but also I wrote I hand wrote a letter
confessing to it. Go read it
>> and then and then destroy it, but then
show a picture. The whole thing doesn't
make any sense. So, but
>> no,
>> you you would have to believe that he
decided he was going to commit a crime
of the century, take it to his grave.
But before he did that, he was going to
write a handwritten letter to somebody
confessing, set up auto texts to someone
confessing,
draft many texts in the immediate
aftermath confessing, go to the police
station, and either shortly before or
shortly after turning yourself in, write
a public Discord message for all of
posterity that anybody who logged into
Discord would always know that you
confessed.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. If
you're if you're this mastermind who's
intending on getting away with this
crime, why confess to it in so many
different ways? Why implicate yourself
in so many different ways? What's the
point? And then to then go into the
police office and say, "I want a lawyer.
I'm not talking."
>> Yeah.
>> All of all of the necessary ingredients
for them to to arrest him were were
there except for the fact that he says,
"I didn't do it."
>> Right.
>> Everything else is like was perfect. Oh,
we found the this very unique gun. We
found a Discord message and there's a
handwritten note. We don't have the
handwritten note, but we have a photo of
it. It's been destroyed. We don't have
it. We have a photo of it. And then he
went and confessed. It's it it it's it's
a nolla.
>> Even more absurdly, the roommate
decides, I will destroy this to protect
my lover. The the handwritten note, I'm
going to destroy it to protect him, but
before I do, I'm going to make sure I
record a copy and upload it to the
cloud.
That's a that's a very it's a very great
point. If you're going to destroy it,
you destroy it,
>> right?
>> You don't take a picture of it,
>> right?
>> Yeah. So, you know, even if we were to,
you know, besides the the base number,
you did also pick up on some other
nuances
in this conversation
that he was having with the with the
officer,
right? because one of the things that he
says is that his office is closed for
the night.
Why is that sentence significant?
>> Well, because September 11th was a
Thursday. Most legal offices are open
Monday through Friday. Um, and if you if
you turn yourself in on a Thursday and
you're talking to a police officer, you
might say, "Oh, the lawyer's office is
closed for the night." Indicating,
"Well, they'll be back open in the
morning." And then I'll get in touch
with them and then I'll have legal
counsel. So, just give me overnight to
get in touch with the lawyer. If it's
Friday, if it's Friday night at 6:25
p.m., no legal office I'm aware of, I've
been a lawyer 20 years or more. No legal
office I'm aware of is open on Saturday
morning. We don't have like legal
clinics in the morning. You just open
back up on Monday. If people have a
problem over the weekend, they can wait.
Um, no, nobody would say, "Oh, the
office is closed for the night at 6:30
p.m. on a Friday night." That's just not
the verbiage you would use. Uh, even
more than that, if you look at the rest
of that sentence, he says, "My parents
are trying to get in touch with him."
This particular lawyer I'm looking for,
"My parents are trying to get in touch
with him or however it's worded there."
But that would mean he's been in touch
with his parents very, very recently.
>> If he turns himself in in the evening of
September 11th and then is not
mirandized until the next night, how
does he know what his parents have been
doing all day? How does he know whether
his parents have been in touch with a
lawyer? How does he know whether the
office is still closed? It it it logic
it defies logic. It is logically
inconsistent with a Friday night,
September 12th, 6:25 p.m. Miranda
warning.
>> And to add to that, so to to if we are
to accept Paramount Tactical's version
of events, that would mean that this
conversation is happening 6:25 p.m. on
the Friday night. He he has he was
detained the night before. So from
Thursday night all the way till Friday
night, his parents didn't get they
didn't try to get in touch with a
lawyer. So they waited until the last
moment to get a lawyer for their and and
they're not going to be able to for the
whole weekend. They had a whole 20 well
12 hours, however many hours that is.
>> Yeah.
>> To get a lawyer and they didn't.
>> Right.
>> This is this is an emergency situation.
He's being implicated in killing Charlie
Kirk. You you knock on every [ __ ]
door you can to get a lawyer. What do
you mean?
>> Right. Well, they'll just wait until
Monday. I guess I'll just sit in the
hole for the next 3 days. Um, let me
know if you hear from him. And to that
point, last night I was reading this and
just I was just staring at it and
something dawned on me because if that
same sentence
he says uh told he's a pretty good uh
attorney here,
if we are to believe that this
conversation happened in Utah County, he
wouldn't stay here because that lawyer
is in Washington.
>> Yeah. Doug Terry's actually a pretty
universally beloved figure in Washington
County. A very well-known lawyer down
there. Um something of a local
celebrity. Uh he's now retired. He
retired, I think, in December after this
case uh was opened in September. And so
it it wouldn't surprise me that he would
say, "Hey, I'm nearing retirement. I
don't want to get involved. You know,
try go find another lawyer or or work
work with the public defenders up
there." But you also wouldn't refer to
him as being here if you're sitting in a
a jail cell in Provo. Here
>> exactly.
>> Not four hours away.
>> That's Washington.
>> That's Washington County. Yeah.
>> Here's Washington. This conversation
clearly happened while he was still in
Washington, not the next day. Four four
hours away. Right.
>> That to me that seems pretty obvious.
And you know something else that dawned
on me was that you know if you go to the
affidavit of probable cause well there's
one there's a little nitpick that I want
to bring up after but at this point like
this this probable cause was entered
this is like 7 o'clock in the morning on
the 12th right they go by by 100 hours
right it would be if this was 900 p.m. I
would say 17th or 19
>> 19. Right.
>> Right. So this was early in the morning.
So by early in the morning the next day
they have already spoken to Lance Twigs.
Right. We hear here it says that um
investigators identified an individual
as the roommate of Robinson.
Investigators interviewed the roommate
who stated that his roommate referring
to Robinson made a joke on Discord. So
they've already spoken to to Lance
Twigs. They've gotten copies of
messages. They've also interviewed his
family members.
They referenced that, you know, he was
talking about the event prior to it
happening. So, you want us to believe
you spoke to his parents, you spoke to
Lance Twigs, but you didn't speak to
him. You waited until the you waited
until the next day
to finally mirandise him and say, "Hey,
do you want to give a statement?"
>> Right.
>> Who it defi who who who after like being
booked all that stuff would then decide
to give a statement? Nobody.
>> Yeah, it it it's actually worse than
that because let's say he spontaneously
confesses at some point and you've never
given him his Miranda warning and he he
you're talking to somebody, somebody
walks by and he interprets that as
interrogation and he says, "Oh, I did
it. I killed Charlie Kirk." You well,
you can't use it. You've not given him a
Miranda warning.
>> You know, now now you're in court
arguing whether that was custodial
interrogation. That's not a position a
police department wants to find itself
in. They give the Miranda warning early
and often. They give it quick like you,
you know, hey,
>> yeah,
>> get in here as soon as we've got him in
custody. That's why in police shows,
while they're putting the cuffs on,
they're already reading Miranda warning.
>> Yeah. So, any any statement that's made
after the fact is eligible to be used as
evidence. Like you said, you've
completely waved that possibility if you
haven't given them their rights.
>> Correct.
>> Now, this is this is a little bit
irrelevant, but it just I have to I have
to say it because it just I noticed it
last night and it bothered me.
In this in this affidavit of probable
cause, they talk about the suspect
climbing over a short wall. So they they
give the time stamp. So at approximately
12 15 hours, suspect was observed
walking up the stairs that led to the
common area adjacent to the Losi Center
building. Suspect walked to a short
concrete wall that separates the common
area from the rooftop of the Losi Center
building. So, they're describing him
climbing over a concrete wall to access
the roof to go take the There's no
concrete wall,
>> is there not? I not I've not looked at
it closely enough. Is there not a little
>> Oh, it's railings.
>> IT'S RAILINGS.
>> WOW.
>> CONCRETE WALL.
>> That's great. I didn't know that. Is it
Could it be that little concrete wall on
the far end on the other side of the
railing there that kind of runs off at a
45 degree angle to the left? I don't
know. I mean that looks like it's only
>> this is where he this is where he
entered.
>> Yeah, that's a great observation. I've
not looked at these photos closely
enough and compared it to the language.
That's great.
>> I like what concrete cuz I remember
watch like I remember vividly watching
this video to see how he got access to
the roof only to come to realize it was
like barely a roof cuz when you imagine
a roof you think you have to like go up
a ladder like this was just you just
have to hop over the railing and you're
there,
>> right? So, I'm like, if you guys are not
accurately reporting on this, like, what
else is inaccurate in your in in your
your documentation of what's happened
because this is this is such a very
obvious thing. There was no concrete
wall.
>> It's important to note also, everybody's
putting a lot of weight on these
probable cause affidavit. This is not
tested evidence. This is not even really
looked over, edited. This is just enough
to say, "Judge, we've got a pretty
decent basis to think you should hold
this guy against his will uh while we
let the legal process start." That's all
it is. The jury's never going to see
this. You know, parts of the um of the
arrest will be read to the jury, but not
these affidavit, not these statements of
fact that are included in there. And it
seems like people on the other side are
taking this as gospel, like like God
himself came and etched it into stone,
and it's just not the way these things
are to be read. Given all that you've
you've seen,
you know, when it comes to this and
everything that you've been re
researching up until this point, what do
you think is the likely outcome of this
trial?
>> Well, I I'm I'm cons I'm concerned about
that. That's a really interesting
question, and I do have my concerns that
that Tyler Robinson may not go to trial.
Uh, and I think that would be a travesty
because I think it would delay or deny
the public's ability to find out who
killed Charlie Kirk, how and why. I
don't believe Tyler Robinson
participated actively participated in
the actual death event that that killed
Charlie Kirk. I don't believe that. But
I if you if you if you believe or have
reason to believe or surmise that Tyler
Robinson was there in Oram as part of a
larger conspiracy
to remove Charlie Kirk, then he's
probably facing life without parole
anyway. And if he's facing life without
parole anyway, might he be willing to
take a plea in order to get the death
penalty off the table and confess to
something he either didn't do or some
sort of lesser included offense that
that comes with um life without parole
or even maybe they say, you know, we
just don't want to go through the trial.
We don't want to do it for the the
victims. We don't want to, you know,
pain the community. This is going to be
very devastating. It's going to rip the
community apart. Let's just put it
behind us. he's willing to confess he
did it in order to get the death penalty
off the table. So, I have those
concerns. I also have the very deep
concern that Tyler Robinson may be in
grave danger the longer this
investigation drags on. They never
intended, I think, if there was some
larger conspiracy. I doubt they intended
Baron Coleman and and Nissy Social doing
a podcast 8 months later
>> talking about the what's in the probable
cause affidavit and what's on bait stamp
document 3996-R1
and R2 and what that means. And so the
more people dig into this, I think the
more danger Tyler Robinson faces because
there's there's a real motivation not to
let this thing go to trial, not to let
the investigation continue. And as long
as Tyler Robinson's alive, it's going to
continue.
And you know, going back to this this
conversation about whether or not that
conversation happened at 6:25 and that
therefore means that the uh the Discord
messages were not him, there's also some
other implications because if he was
already in police custody at 6:25, he
was already sitting there in front of an
officer, there's some there's like other
things that happened like around 8:00,
supposedly happened like 8:00. Like for
example, you pointed out that um the
official narrative that Cash Patel went
on on Fox News and said the parents at
8:00 they saw that the news coverage and
they saw that this was their son hopping
off the roof. He made the little joke,
well that could be a Sasquatch, could be
an alien, right? We don't know what it
is, but they they looked at it and like
that's our son. But if what you're
saying is correct, he was already in
custody. So that that foils their whole
narrative.
>> Yeah. And it's a whole lot of things
like that. Did the sheriff call the
sheriff of Utah County at 802 and say
he's about to turn himself in? Uh did
the parents, you know, see the video?
Why did they, if he truly was already in
custody, why are they holding a press
conference, releasing more footage,
releasing more photographs? Um why was
Brian Davis already in Washington County
at 10 p.m.
if we didn't know he existed until after
8:00 p.m.? That's a three and a half or
four hour drive from the Salt Lake City
Provo area down to Washington County.
So, there's a whole lot of implications
uh in addition to who wrote the Discord
message.
>> Do do you think that this case has
something to do with why Brooksby
stepped down?
>> That's a really good question. I don't
know. Um I I've heard the rumors that he
stepped down because of some harassment
allegation or whatever. I don't know
whether that's true. I don't know
whether it has to do with this case,
whether he was fumbling it, whether he
screwed up in dealing with the media,
something he said in a press conference
and they were like, "Hey, you're too
much of a risk. You've got to go." I
really don't know the answer to that.
>> Do Do you think Cashwood's hell is
compromised?
>> I don't want to answer that.
>> I think so.
>> I know, but I I I I don't want to say it
on there.
>> That's my opinion. I think he is. I
think a lot of people are compromised
and it's if if there's a conspiracy to
pin pin this on the psy Tyler Robinson I
think that implies that this goes like
very high up in the government because a
lot a lot of people
are are are in on this like a lot of a
like agencies are in on this. I think
it's very interesting how like
unceremoniously the the FBI director for
for that Utah area is kicked out for no
good reason and then we get a new guy
and then this happens.
>> There were a lot of new guys installed
right before it happened at the
hospital, at the school, at the FBI, at
the judge. The judge himself was brand
new.
>> Judge Graph. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, there were a lot of newbies in
there um that that showed up on the
scene shortly before this happened. It's
um the medical examiner. She's
relatively new as well. So there's
there's a lot of newness to the to the
bure bureaucratic structure that that
encompasses this case. There's no doubt
about that. And to your point of
if there was a conspiracy, it probably
does go pretty high. I mean, you know,
if if we're right and there's some sort
of conspiratorial component to this and
that conspiratorial component had some
sort of government involvement, yeah, I
think you could probably start naming
some pretty high level officials as
being involved. It's just whether or not
that's true, we don't know at this
point.
>> There are there are some theories out
there that Charlie Kirk faked his death.
What do you think about those theories?
>> I I don't I don't buy them.
>> Yeah, me neither.
>> I mean, I just I just don't buy them. I
I don't
that's so far out of the realm of
possibility for me that I I just find it
difficult to even entertain much be I
mean I have entertained it. I've looked
into it but
you don't have to get very far to
realize that he would have to be a
monster to affect his death. I mean an
absolute monster and I just don't think
he was.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Especially because one of the
charges against Tyler Robinson is that
this crime was committed in front of
children. there was there was minors in
the audience. So, I don't think I don't
think Charlie would ever fake his death.
I don't think he would fake his death
knowing that like especially something
so graphic knowing that there's going to
be children who are going to think it's
real and see it happen to leave behind
your family and everything that you've
built. To me, does it make sense that he
would take his death? But I do see that
it's a theory that some people I've had
emails sent to me, people like, "You
need to look into this. He's he's still
alive." I'm like, "I don't think so. I
don't I think this looked really really
real.
>> Where is he?
>> Yeah.
>> Where is he?
>> He's in He's in Valhalla, I guess, with
for Cash Patel to come join him. The
compromised Cash Patel.
>> Yeah. I I I just I I don't buy that. Um
and and the reality is if that's true,
we would never know. It It's like
predicting the end of the world, you
know? There's really no reason to do it
because if it happens, your prediction,
no one remembers anyway because the
world is over and if it doesn't happen,
you look foolish, right? So,
>> yeah,
>> there's really no reason to even
entertain it.
>> Well, is there any other
compelling information that you've come
across that like further solidifies your
opinion that um Tyler Robinson is being
framed other than what we we talked
about today?
>> I was thinking of something while we
were talking a minute ago. What was I
thinking about? Give me just a second.
Something crossed my mind and I was
going to mention it. Oh, I don't know if
you want to get into this. The the spy
plane that circled over Washington
County, that circled over State George.
Did you have you looked into that at
all?
>> I've not. I'm I'm interested to hear
about that.
>> I think it was 8 or 9:00 at night, maybe
the time Tyler Robinson is supposed to
have turned himself in. one of those um
axle spy planes, the Hades program spy
planes
left California on its way to El Paso,
but it didn't fly directly to El Paso.
It actually flew northeast, circled over
St. George about the time Tyler Robinson
was supposed to have turned himself in
and then flew south to El Paso. Uh it's
a very strange flight pattern. It's a
very sophisticated, very technically
advanced plane that can do a whole lot
of things that
that would just rock people's worlds if
they truly understood what some of these
planes were capable of. And I just don't
understand why it happened. I don't
understand why a plane with those
capabilities would leave California,
fly directly over Washington County,
Utah, fly to a very low altitude,
circle, and then continue on to El Paso.
It it's it's the same class of plane
that circled over uh Oram, Utah shortly
before and shortly after Charlie Kirk
was taken down. It's a different plane,
but it's the same class of plane. And
it's um it's a disturbing fact that I
don't know what to make of it, but but I
think it's relevant for some reason.
>> What class of plane is it?
>> It's called a Hades. H A D. high
altitude detection
something. Uh let me see if I can find
it real. So here you go. So this is this
axle 21 plane. It's u tail number is
November 2100 Lima. This is this Hades
class of plane H A. If you look up what
that is, it's a very very sophisticated
plane. Um but if you see right here, it
leaves Ontario, California. Now, this is
listed as September 12 over here on the
left. And it says it's 0200, but this is
Zulu time. So, you have to subtract 6
hours from Zulu time in order to um to
get this um to get the correct time. So,
6 hours would be um 2000 hours, which
would be 8:00 p.m.
>> So, this leaves Ontario, California at
8:00. And you can see it continues on
over here to the El Paso area. That's
where the flight terminates down here.
So, normally to fly from point A to
point B, you would just fly in a
straight line from California over here
towards um towards El Paso. This is
ultimately where it terminated over
here. But for some reason on this night,
instead of flying in a straight line, it
flies up towards St. George. This is
where Tyler Robinson turned himself in
in this hurricane area right here. and
it does this loop over the area. It
begins the loop in the descent and it
comes to a very low altitude. It begins
the descent at 8:48
and then it leaves the area
at 9:08.
>> Sorry, sorry, repeat that again. So, it
gets there at
>> So, it it it arrives on the scene if you
let's let's go over here. It arrives in
the area at uh 8:36 p.m. Now, keep in
mind, the sheriff was told at 8:00
supposedly he was called and told he's
going to turn himself in.
>> Yeah.
>> That's the time this plane leaves the
area right here at 8:00. I mean, almost
to the minute
>> that the sheriff receives the phone
call, that's when this plane leaves. And
then it arrives on the scene up here in
the St. George area around 8:37 8:38 and
then it does this loop
over the St. George area flying to its
lowest point right here right at 9:00
and then loops back around again and
then totally leaves the area by uh 9:09
p.m. This is this very critical time in
the official narrative
that Tyler Robinson supposedly
was calling the sheriff's department
through a friend saying, "I want to turn
myself in."
>> So, what do you think that this plane
was doing? Do you think that they get
they get to a certain altitude so that
they can communicate with people on the
ground?
>> They have that capacity. They also can
collect electronic information that's
being transmitted. These planes have the
ability to track people based on
electronic devices in your pockets. They
are I mean these are very very
sophisticated planes. They have AI
infrastructure on board so that they can
they can soak in a tremendous amount of
electronic information on the ground and
immediately begin processing it and
making sense of it. These are these are
these are the types of planes we read
about in sci-fi novels 30 or 40 years
ago. These are these planes in reality.
this is what they're doing in reality.
Um, so I do not think this plane is
unrelated. Even if the official
narrative that he did not turn himself
in until 8 after 8:00 is correct, that
means a government contracted spy plane
was dispatched from Ontario to the area
at that time. did a loop over doing
whatever spy planes do when they fly at
low altitude and then continued on to
its destination after accomplishing
whatever it was it wanted to accomplish.
So, this right here is a pretty damning
piece of evidence.
Even if Tyler Robinson turned himself in
after 8:00, even if the official Fed
narrative is correct, this is still
really damning evidence.
It's really extra damning evidence if he
was supposed to turn himself in after
8:00 and foiled the plan by turning
himself in early, which is kind of my
suspicion.
>> If he had to theorize like what do you
if if Tyler Robinson is the path to in
in in Baron's theory of events, like
what do you think was supposed to happen
versus what happened? Because like you
said, your theory is that he turned
himself in too early. So, but
in your version of events, what do you
think was supposed to happen? I think he
was either supposed to die in a shootout
uh or take his own life or be lured to a
remote location where he would be
murdered and have it made look like a
suicide.
>> That would that would make sense why he
would go to to the police station. I
think
what Brooksby says that he was afraid of
a shootout at the house, especially, you
know, if they're going to show up at
your parents' home. You don't want your
parents to be in the crossfire.
>> Well, turn yourself in.
>> And Brooksby also said that he was
supposedly planning to drive to a remote
location and was suicidal.
And so,
>> but but that's that's consistent with my
theory that he wasn't supposed to
survive that night. And had he not
survived, you and I would not be talking
about this eight months later.
>> Yeah.
>> It would have been
>> the narrative would be a transfer did
this and that's that. Queen, clean,
quick, easy. No one would have taken a
second look at it.
>> I still I still can't let go of the fact
that like they want us to believe that
this guy has a perfect shot, but he's
like cross c crossey.
>> Well, there's there's a lot there.
>> There's a lot there. Yeah,
>> he's got impeccable aim, but per
imperfect eyesight. Okay,
>> that's correct. Yeah, it's um there's a
lot there. I don't believe he was
supposed to survive and turn himself in.
I think he was supposed to have have
passed away before.
>> Yeah,
>> that that's my that's my true honest gut
instinct. It's dark. It's a very dark
conclusion, but I I can come to no other
conclusion. And a spy plane
might have been able to assist in
carrying out that operation and maybe
the spy plane was supposed to be there
at that time in order to do the
assisting and then lo and behold, he's
already turned himself in.
>> Yeah,
that's interesting. Have you ever looked
into the Butler, Pennsylvania thing like
to see if there was like
>> I don't
>> planes flying over Butler?
>> I don't really talk about it.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> Yeah. No, that's not that's not a case I
talk about.
>> Okay. Let me not put it. Let me not let
me not get you in trouble.
>> Yeah. Please don't I don't want to I
don't I don't I've never been on the
record talking about that.
Um also,
>> I'll speak for myself. Oh, go ahead.
>> I'll say this. I don't believe the
official story there either.
Nobody does. But there's there's like
two camps right now. There was it was
staged or was it staged? Those are the
two camps right now. Nobody believes the
official narrative, but was it staged or
was it not staged? Was that all fake and
there was ketchup on his ear or was it
real?
>> I think it was a real shooting. Um,
I don't I don't believe that um that
Thomas Matthew Crooks did it and I don't
necessarily believe Thomas Matthew
Crooks died in the shootout either.
>> Wow.
Why don't you believe that?
because the
the picture that was released, leaked of
Thomas Matthew Crooks dead up there had
been altered, I believe.
And there is someone else who many
people believed that was on the roof
who's missing. He's nowhere to be found.
He has not appeared in years. And it
would be so easy for him to just say,
"I'm alive, guys. Stop saying this. I'm
right here." And he's not.
>> Do you remember Do you remember the
person's name?
>> Matthew Urick.
>> Yes, that that person. I remember
hearing about that. And they did they
did have a strong resemblance to each
other.
>> And then very
>> He's not surfaced. He's nowhere to be
found.
>> Oh. Oh, I've never looked into it. He's
still He's still missing.
>> Yeah. And Thomas Matthew Krooks's family
has been seen in public with this random
figure dressed head to toe, covered up
in a hoodie, face covered, gloves.
Yes. And it's not his sister because his
sister is not look like that. His sister
has a completely different build.
>> Well, immediately after they said they
cremated the body, so like, oh, we
destroyed all the evidence.
>> Mhm.
>> Wow.
Interesting.
So, if that that just opens a whole can
of worms if he's still like what was who
who contracted him? Who contracted him?
What was his benefit if in fact that's
what happened? How what did he benefit
from participating?
>> I have no idea. I have no idea. You know
these it's my it's my belief that a lot
of these psies get in trouble online.
You know there are hundreds of thousands
of people at any moment being
investigated for crimes against children
online. Um all of them are potential
psies because none of them want to go to
prison for that crime.
>> Yeah. So all of them becomes
>> there's that and then there's also some
people they get too they're too
chronically online and they get
brainwashed and it's not that difficult
for someone who's sophisticated
especially working for an intelligence
agency to infiltrate
you know an online chat or to befriend
someone and to persuade them to
participate or to contract them to
participate into something that they
probably wouldn't have done had they not
been manipulated into doing it
>> well. And there's evidence of that with
Thomas Matthew Crooks. There is evidence
that he was one of Trump's biggest
supporters. He loved Donald Trump. Uh
his social media footprint suggests that
he was a rabid Donald Trump fan. And
then all of the sudden he starts
communicating with some of these other
people online. Tucker Carlson had a
great piece on this. And instantly he
switches on a dime and he despises
Donald Trump. Donald Trump is all of a
sudden the enemy and cannot be reelected
and and is going to destroy the country.
um that doesn't seem very organic.
That's not the natural development of a
lot of Trump supporters in the year 2023
and 2024. That's that that defies the
pattern that everybody else had during
that time.
>> Yeah. Even if even if someone does
something that you start to disagree
with, to go from loving someone to I am
going to plot to take them out, that's a
huge leap,
>> right?
>> That's a huge leap.
>> Very very drastic.
>> Yeah. So I I I think the pathies either
are, as you suggest, brought in, lured
in through online chatter, slowly
radicalized, or quickly radicalized, or
they are involved in some really
horrific crimes online, and then
approached and given a way out. You
don't have to go to prison for that. We
I mean, we could take you to prison for
that right now if you'd like, or
we'll give you this option. And I I
think a lot of them take that option.
>> Wow. I have to look into the the family
walking around with with this extra
sibling. I have not seen that.
>> Go find the footage. It's wild. It's
wild.
>> Wow.
>> It'd be a cool story.
>> Wow.
But you the way you got all spooked when
I brought it up. I don't want to talk
about it anymore.
>> Yeah, I do get spooked by that one. That
one spooks me more than just about any
story I've ever looked at.
>> Do you ever get concerned covering this
Charlie Kirk case?
No, because I think Americans deeply
believe in the freedom of speech. We
want to know the right answer. Um, there
are some people who get a little
uncomfortable as you dig around a little
bit, but by and large, the the American
public
likes likes investigations. They like
knowing what happened. They want people
out there speaking the truth. And um
you know that there are occasionally
investigators or journalists who who are
removed if they get too close to a
story, but this story has dozens,
hundreds of different channels covering
it. You know what what do you gain by
removing one person here or there that
doesn't really solve the major problem
and all it does is cause you more
problems. So it doesn't really bother
me. I don't I don't look at it as a
as something that that's a a legitimate
threat lurking around every corner. No,
>> that's one of the the beauties of having
a decentralized
intelligence agency is that there's so
many of us who are covering it and
really if you if you do something to one
person, you just bring more attention to
the story.
>> That's exactly right. There's no way to
look guiltier than start removing
podcasters and journalists and
investigators who are covering the
story. Then you then you look like you
really did do something wrong and and
something is being covered up.
>> Yeah.
or they or they just sue you. Like what
do you what are your thoughts on the
Brian Harpool lawsuit? I
>> I I think it was an a I don't think he
was intending to win that lawsuit. I
think he thought she would immediately
move to dismiss it. It would be
dismissed because it's such a lousily
pled lawsuit. Um he never actually
alleged a cause of action. She has an
immediate what America would call 12b6
motion to dismiss. I think she would be
successful on that. Uh whether she
chooses to go that route or not, um
that's up to to her and and George
Farmer. But the um the reality is she
never, in my opinion, defamed him. She
just covered the story and she
interviewed somebody who had an opinion
on something he thought he might have
seen. He didn't even state 100% that he
believed he saw Brian Harpole. Um the
rest of it, whether or not he took
enough life-saving action, that's
opinion. Opinion is protected speech in
the United States.
So, do you think it's just a matter of
the the process is the punishment just
make her life difficult by stealing?
>> It could be that or it could be that um
people tend to believe if you say
something in a lawsuit, it's true. And
so, he was able to get several things in
that lawsuit that he wanted people to
believe was true. I was not at For Wuka.
We did everything we could to save his
life. We did everything right. Uh we did
a good job. were a a technically um
sound security company. He was able to
get his story out. And then if she moves
to dismiss it, he can say, "Well, that
was all true. The judge just, you know,
part of the problem. You know, this is
this is the problem in America. People
can say anything they want and get away
with it. They can defame people and get
away with it. And um and so filing the
lawsuit would serve that purpose."
>> Thank you so much for giving me some of
your time today. I know you're a very
busy man. You have a lot of research.
you have a lot of people who want want
to talk to you. So, I thank you so much
for squeezing me into your busy
schedule.
>> Well, I thank you for the wonderful
content you produce. I do borrow some of
it sometimes and feature it on my
program. It's excellent work. It's very
excellent work. So, I thank you for the
work you do.
>> I do what I can. I do what I can. I'm
just, you know, I put my pants on one
leg at a time.
>> Well, thank you for having me. It's
always a pleasure to be here with you
and um like I said, you do great work.
So, I'm happy to be here.
>> I'm going to have to bring you back.
There's some other stuff that I wanted
to ask you about, but it was it was
separate from this. So, another another
day. Another day.
>> I want to have you on my members show.
I've had several people ask you ask me
to have you on the member show. I do
those on Fridays. Uh I'm doing one
actually in 18 minutes with Audrey
Henson from Dre.
>> Yeah. Um I've had Jesse on fire. I've
had Trigger. I've had Coach Colin. Um,
uh, who else have I had? I had Zack
Costello. I've had a lot of fun people
on there. And, and we don't talk Charlie
Kirk. We just talk. There's no program.
There's no anything. It's just, "How'd
you get into podcast?" I usually ask
that question initially. What made you
get into this? And then we just sort of
go. And I had Danks on last week.
Danks gave the most amazing testimony
about being down and out on his luck,
homeless, hooked on heroin, dragging
himself out of that by his bootstraps,
getting married, having kids, getting
clean, um, saving his marriage, you
know, uh, relapse,
you know, rehab. I mean, it was amazing.
And we didn't talk, we didn't prep for
any of that. I He just said, "What do
you want to talk about?" I said, "I
don't we'll see what comes up." So, I'd
love to have you on.
>> I'm down.
>> Yeah,
>> I'm down. I'm down for a fun time.
Whatever Whatever you want me to tell,
let me know.
>> I know there's a Nissy story in there
and I want to hear it.
>> All of my All of my crazy story, all of
my interesting stories are the [ __ ] ass
relationships I've been in.
>> Well, let's talk about them. Those will
be fun.
>> We'll [ __ ] on some [ __ ] ass people. How
about that?
>> Let's do [ __ ] on some [ __ ] ass people.
>> There you go.