Zach Costello Defends Open Investigation Into Charlie Kirk Assassination After Heated Paramount Tactical Debate

Hello everyone. Welcome to Monday. >> [laughter] >> As pretty much I'm sure all of you guys know at this point, um at the end of the week, last week, going into the weekend, I was on Paramount Tactical. I was on uh the Paramount Tactical YouTube channel to have a discussion. Yes, a discussion, because that's what I do. I'm I'm not a debater. I'm here to have discussions which got tense and heated, and I would even say comical at times with Gary Melton on his YouTube channel, as I said, Paramount Tactical. We talked for like uh 3 and 1/2 hours. I think the overall was I think he even went on longer. Um it's like 6 hours on his channel. I trimmed off on my channel. We we co-hosted the live, and then I trimmed off him answering all of uh his super chats afterwards. So, it's about 3 and 1/2 hours on uh on my channel there. But, that's what I did. And then I had to split out for the weekend. I had some family stuff, and um I went away. And uh and I didn't really have a chance to to look at very much. I had a had a chance kind of to think about how everything went, but today [snorts] and right now is really the first time that I've been able to comment on it. And what I'm going to do today is I'm going to take you through a a take you through a few different moments, um one of which contains pretty bombshell information about what Tyler Robinson's family thinks about all of this. And this happened in real time during the conversation with Gary. I'm going to take you through that. First, though, I want to make something crystal clear about my role and my contribution in all of this. I'm going to start here with what is basically my opening statement to this discussion. Ultimately, Gary and Andrew Wilson in addition, who I discussed this also with last week, believe that there is overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson is guilty. And Gary asked me to tell him where I disagreed with him. And that's where we're going to start today. I'm Zach Chestela. So, I guess taking it from the beginning, where do you think that you disagree with me on when it comes to the overall Charlie Kirk assassination? Well, I think probably our fundamental disagreement with regard to the Charlie Kirk assassination would be your diagnosis of Candace 19 that you seem to have caught with regard to uh your perspective on what Candace Owens is doing. So, I think that's probably where our fundamental disagreement is. Um I think ultimately that what Candace Owens is doing is valuable um to the Charlie Kirk investigation, and I understand the other side thinks that what she is doing is evil, which I do not think is fair, and I do not agree with. Um and here's what I'll basically say. Ultimately, ultimately my opinion on the Charlie Kirk assassination case is that there is enough evidence, I'm going to use that term, evidence, proving reasonable doubt that Tyler Robinson acted alone or even took the shot from the spot on the roof that the authorities are claiming that he did. And my coverage of the different arguments, leads, tips, reading of the charging documents, um listening to the different statements and arguments made by people like Cash Patel, Governor Cox, Joe Kent recently, um Candace Owens, who I mentioned, uh Gary Melton is is you know, is one of those people, et cetera. And and I discerning those different theories is how I arrived at the perspective that I have. Um that there is reasonable doubt that Tyler Robinson did not act alone, or he was not the uh not the shooter at all. And I'm not jumping to any conclusion regarding the assassination. I simply am discerning the truth, and I'm considering what I believe to be solid points and arguments, and I'm talking about what I believe to be true. Um I understand that there have been some bad arguments. There have been some theories put forward that I myself have dismissed in my own mind. I understand there are theories out there that others have dismissed. Um but I mean, in addition to all this, I mean, I'll say that I think ultimately I am working backwards from a skepticism or a distrust of the state and federal authorities. Um my opinion is that their record of incompetence and dishonesty causes them to not be trusted, and therefore I support a decentralized open-source investigation into the Charlie Kirk assassination to ensure that public pressure is applied, uh bad actors are exposed, so that we can know the full truth about what happened to Charlie Kirk, and this doesn't end up like some JFK assassination case or conspiracy. So, that right there, as I just laid out, is my position. That's my position. And I want to reiterate what I said there, that decentralized open-source probe to ensure that we are being told the truth about what happened to Charlie Kirk. That is what I support, and that's what I believe in. I'm not attached to any specific conclusion. And I I just want to know who all are responsible, so that they are held accountable, and that true justice is served. I've been asked and challenged, "Well, Zach, what is your end game? What's your end game? That Tyler Robinson gets off?" It's like, "No. My end game is simply that all responsible are found and convicted. That's it. I want nothing withheld from us. You guys have heard me say this I don't know how many times. I want the truth regardless of the consequences. Whoever it implicates. I don't care who it is. I just want it I just want whoever it is and all that they are to be found and convicted and guilty for true and whole and complete justice. And I believe that this open-source inquiry and the discernment of alternative theories is needed to apply the required public pressure on the investigative authorities to be competent and honest, which they have proven not to be. They have not proven themselves to be competent and honest, and I cited examples to be found and convicted and guilty for true and whole and complete justice. And I believe that this open-source inquiry and the discernment of alternative theories is needed to apply the required public pressure on the investigative authorities to be competent and honest, which they have proven not to be. They have not proven themselves to be competent and honest, and I cited examples like COVID, the lab leak theory, January 6th, the 2020 election, Butler, Pennsylvania. And the thing is, Gary agreed with me about these other conspiracy points. But it's like, this time, though. Yes, this time it's different. This time we can believe the FBI. This kind This time we can believe the authorities, you guys. And it's this, along with, as I mentioned there, Gary's terminal terminal diagnosis of Candace 19, this is where we fundamentally disagree. But, I was thinking about this over the weekend. Like, truly, after having these more difficult discussions with opponents, you would say, like, what's my role in this whole thing? And guys, I have always been that stupid thumbs-up thing. I have always been an advocate for free speech. I am a free speech absolutist. And for those conducting research and investigating leads and evidence here as it relates to Charlie Kirk, I've been a defender of these individuals who are in good faith putting out research, putting out arguments, putting out different theories, putting out different evidence. And that applies to Candace Owens, Baron Coleman, Ian Carroll, Gary Melton when he was doing it. He doesn't do that anymore. Now, he just attacks and criticizes Candace, as I said to his face. Not like I'm talking about him behind his back. I literally said it to his face. Chris Martenson is another one. Blake Bednarz is a guy who's popped up, and I'll show you it more from him in a second. Et cetera. These are all different people, all different researchers, journalists, et cetera, who have been looking into this Charlie Kirk case. And I am in favor of all of them doing so. And I've commented on various investigators and arguments who have put forth the different the different arguments and theories regarding what happened to Charlie Kirk by all of these different individuals, each talking about all different things. And what I just cannot stand, because this is what drives me insane, and what I am completely against, is the shutdown, silencing, diagnosing, or labeling of any alternative argument or dissenter as some evil, lunatic, conspiracy theorist who should not be allowed to talk. This is my biggest issue. And I have served this entire time as a commenter and defender of these individuals who I consider conducting an open-source free exchange investigation into what happened to Charlie Kirk. And it is so incredibly needed because of everything that we have been through. And why? Why? Because these are the ones these are the types who were proven correct through all of those other examples that I just cited in our recent history. We think about during COVID all these individuals that came out went on Joe Rogan Joe Rogan himself was crucified by the media mob by the establishment for platforming guys like Dr. Peter McCullough or Dr. Robert Malone for them coming out and speaking out against the mRNA vaccine or the official COVID narrative. Guys talking about the lab leak theory that turned out to be true. People talking about how it was a conspiracy theory that there were FBI agents in the crowd on January 6th. Guess what? That came out to be true and all those people who said that the FBI was there they were all labeled conspiracy theorists. The FBI told us that that uh in Butler, Pennsylvania Thomas Crooks he didn't have an online footprint. Well, Tucker Carlson did an investigation Tucker Carlson's investigative journalist is the one that found it despite what the FBI told us. So are we now just not supposed to now we're supposed to take the FBI's word for it. Now we're supposed to take the states and the authorities word for it. Somebody asked me, well, why don't you just let the Why don't you just let Utah State or the Utah State Police handle this? And my response was oh are those the same bozos that were supposed to cover the roof at UVU that day? Mhm. Mhm. And this is my biggest thing with regard to now having conversations now with Gary Mountain and Andrew Wilson who are adamant that the state has provided the most rational explanation as to what happened that day. They're they believe based on what the state has told us that Tyler Robinson is guilty. And here's what it comes down to it for me, guys. There is no one conclusion that I'm glued to here. In fact, now after talking to these guys and after many of you reaching out to me and telling me some some different uh arguments as to the different theories I'm actually even more open-minded. I'm considering now more theories and other theories with regard to what happened to Charlie Kirk that day. But I'm certainly not glued to any one conclusion. I just simply want to know the truth and I defend those looking into it in good faith. And that's important because if you knowingly put out false information or you're seeking to mislead then I cannot and I won't defend that. I'm not looking I'm not I'm not doing that. I'm not looking to defend anybody who's putting out knowingly false information. But pursuit of truth in good faith and free exchange of ideas and questions I am going to defend and that has been consistent from day one of this Charlie Kirk investigation. And I'm not going to shy away or be afraid of having these tough and difficult conversations. Guys we're talking about Charlie Kirk like that's exactly what he did. He he he he embraced and he advocated for this that we're doing right here. I am will talk to people that I tend to agree with. I will talk to allies. I will talk to people from our side versus their side. I don't care. I really don't care. These are discussions and they can get heated they can get tense. This whole argument on well, this is a debate I I don't it's not a debate. It's it it's isn't the frustrating thing about Andrew Wilson is he and I got into an exchange and it was considered a debate maybe from his side but we couldn't even get past the the definition of the definitions of words. It turned into an argument about definitions of like the word decoy and other semantics. It's stupid. I saw someone in the comments say when you're looking to when you're when you're in a debate you're just you're looking to be right. You're just looking to be right. I don't care if I'm right. I just want the truth. I literally just want the truth. That's it. And guys I come from the baseball world. Like the baseball world you you get in a you you get in a bat you you take a swing sometimes you crush it sometimes you swing and miss. Sometimes you strike out you got to get up you got to you got to get back up there get back up in your next at bat and have success. This is the way these things go. This is the way life goes. We're after the pursuit of truth. That's it. That's really all it comes down to and having good and difficult conversations with people that don't agree. Like this is I do this all that is I enjoy doing it. I really do. But I just made it clear on who I'm going to defend. And now I want to show you some of these moments from this conversation or this discussion with Gary Melton and a few of these moments that got super frustrating. But I think what I did a very good and effective job of here was exposing the hypocrisy on their side or at least the ones who claim that Tyler Robinson is guilty. Their side would be the ones who believe the state is telling us everything that we need to know and that Tyler Robinson is guilty and they say that there is overwhelming evidence which states as such. And that just isn't the case. Did you guys know that the charging documents do not state one shred of evidence that Tyler Robinson was actually on the roof that day? No evidence has been presented to us proving that. And this is my frustration with those who say that Tyler Robinson is guilty put him to death right now. They don't actually know this. They can't. They don't actually know that nothing in the charging documents puts Tyler Robinson on the roof that day at UVU. They don't know. They don't know that. They'll then cite his own parents think that Tyler Robinson did it. And then this was is where the bombshell was dropped in real time during the conversation as I disagreed that his parents actually believe that citing what the account Billy and Brandy found when they were at UVU. Take a listen to this part of the conversation. So um J- this is Jack uh how do you pronounce his last name? You can you can Posobiec? Yeah. Said I have a question for the people who don't think killed Tyler Robinson and he makes the challenge to talk to his parents and then as Brandy and Billy says here this is the this is the tweet that I am referring to. We did ask them ourselves Tyler Robinson's family does not think that he did this and they said it to us face-to-face at the January 16th hearing. The narrative that you read online about his family turning him in is not true. Okay, that is not true. We'll be continuing the rest of the hearings. So >> It's not his parents. Okay, but I guess I I guess I would say I mean we're I mean that we're both right though. But I would say we're both right because again the narrative that you read online about his family turning him in is not true. So I think that point that I made does hold. >> Whoa whoa whoa. That's not a narrative in on online. That's a narrative two things that was presented by two people. Number one that narrative was presented >> documents. It's what's that? The that narrative is is from the charging documents. I think is that where you're going with that? >> you know who else confirmed that narrative? Who else confirmed the narrative that his family turned him in? Yes. Who? Candace Owens. Oh Gary no. I was hoping you weren't going to say that. >> [laughter] >> I'm going to pause that right there. When he was about to say that I was really hoping don't say Candace. Don't say Candace Owens confirmed that Tyler Robinson's parents think he did it. Because that's just not true. And it's not you guys. We all know all of us here who have been paying attention to what Candace Owens is saying we all know that Candace doesn't believe that Tyler Robinson's parents think that he did it. So I was when as he was going I was like don't say Candace. Don't say Candace. And then he said Candace and I was just like oh oh Gary. >> [laughter] >> Gary no. But okay. So what I was referring to there is that Jack Posobiec I still don't even know if I'm pronouncing his name right. Jack Posobiec challenged anybody to talk to Tyler Robinson's parents. That's what he's doing in that post on X. Brandy and Billy came out and said that they did. They did. They did and that's where Tyler Robinson's family thinks that they do not think that he did it. But as we were discussing how Candace Owens does not believe that Robinson's parents think that he did it >> [snorts] >> we got a text message. We got a text message thread photo from Brandy herself communicating with Blake Bednarz who was watching the stream about her testimony from the family member. And then we bring that up here as a part of the conversation. And I want to show you that part. This again, this is a direct text from Brandy herself explaining exactly what happened at UVU or I'm sorry, in the courtroom that day with Tyler's family that was there. Take a listen. So this is this is a text message from uh Blake Bednarz who's who's watching the stream. He's watching the stream here and I I don't know if Brandy and Billy are either, but this is the text message uh and I don't know if you guys can read that, but ultimately the question that's being posed to them is uh did y'all hear from Tyler Robinson's parents say that they don't believe did it or what or what was it exactly when y'all were sitting in the courtroom? Brandy responds and says, "We were sitting in the courtroom. A family member briefly spoke to us and told us that only 2% of what you hear in the media is true about Tyler and they don't think he was capable of doing something like this." And then the clarifying question, "Was that family member sitting with Tyler's parents?" Um and Brandy responds with, "Yeah, but we can't reveal who it was for their privacy." And the response was of course just fair to assume the same belief is shared by all of those family members um and then the answer to that was was yeah, I would say so according to what Brandy said there. That's the the next message. Okay. So that is from Brandy herself describing who they were talking to and she's not she she's she cannot disclose which exact family member that she was talking to, but there was a group of Tyler Robinson's family sitting there. And the whole point of this, I specifically said the parents and Gary could get me on that point. However, the whole point, the whole general picture is that the family that was sitting there which included Tyler Robinson's parents do not believe in the narrative that we are being told. Okay? So that's that's what we can take. And the reason that that is important is because that puts into doubt the charging documents which is the only thing that we have regarding what the state has at this point. Could more evidence come out in trial? Yes, and we certainly hope that it does because again, nothing in the charging documents puts Tyler Robinson specifically on that roof. If you guys actually read the charging documents, this is very important. The charging documents say that they have the video footage of that individual in black going up the roof, climbing over the fence, army crawling to the spot and then it goes dark. There's no video of the actual shot taking place and then they have the video that we've all seen of the individual running across the roof after. What proves from that from that video that that's Tyler Robinson? Well, well, I say nothing. Nothing. What are they saying proves it is that they have the still shots from him walking up the stairwell, the individual dressed in black who they claim is Tyler Robinson based on the fact that his parents think that that looks like him and according to the charging documents based on that photo that was provided, the mom and dad talk to each other. They say, "Oh, that looks like Tyler. Let's give him a call." And then the whole thing turns out where they get in touch with the local sheriff, they bring him in, blah blah blah. That is critically important because what this does, what this whole situation does right here with these text message with these text messages that Brandy shared and their testimony from the courtroom in talking with Tyler's family that day, that puts into doubt the charging documents. That is relevant. It's simply relevant. And my whole freaking point with this whole thing is that there is reasonable doubt. You can be a reasonable person and doubt the narrative that we are being told about Tyler Robinson. That's it. That is it. Like am I trying to get Tyler Robinson off? No. Tyler Robinson is guilty in of doing something that day. I mean he he was there, right? Doing something. Does that prove that Tyler Robinson took the shot from that location? No. And then the last important cuz I want to I want to show you Brandy's statement. So Brandy saw this debate and then she put a statement out on X which I want to take you through and I want to show you that. There is no DNA evidence of Tyler Robinson on that roof. The only the only piece of evidence that they say included that that had Tyler Robinson's DNA on it was the screwdriver. The screwdriver is not a part of the charging documents, you guys. It's not. There is no piece of evidence that we have been presented with that puts Tyler Robinson and his DNA on that roof. The only two things that the only two things that we have been told about it is the video is the video of the individual in black that they say is Tyler Robinson. And then the alleged screwdriver which is hearsay. What that's hearsay. So again, the justification of there being reasonable doubt that Tyler Robinson was the individual on that roof is certainly reasonable. Reasonable. Okay. Now I want to bring up Brandy's statement because she put this out on X. I I think probably during the debate while this was going on and she wanted to clarify. Since there's a a debate going on, that was the one that it's between me and Gary. Debate, conversation, discussion, whatever you want to call it. We got to be technical on our words here, guys. And you'll see why that's a joke here in a second with this next part that I have, but in any case, there's a debate going on about our conversation with Tyler's family. And I will let everyone know exactly what I shared with Baron Coleman and Blake Bednarz. We've spoken directly to a family member of Tyler Robinson and a family member of Lance Twiggs. We sat right behind Tyler Robinson's family at the January 16th, February 3rd, and March 13th court hearing. One of Tyler Robinson's family members, we're not naming who, told us this. About 2% of what you hear in the media about Tyler is true. But his family refuses to talk to the press because everything gets misconstrued. They also said that Tyler is not capable of doing something like this. Okay? And then the last thing that it says here is let me get to the that part. Here we go. A family member of Lance who has also spoken with Candace Owens told us the story about Lance cooperating with the feds is not true. The feds surrounded the condo, detained him, and questioned him for hours. So he was not cooperating like the feds said. So the that's saying right there that uh the the narrative that Lance Twiggs cooperated with the feds is not true. Um he was not cooperating with the feds as they said. The woman who is a member of Lance's family that Bryan Eaten interviewed is more like a distant relative who has met Lance a couple of a couple or a total of three times, excuse me, and hasn't seen him in over a decade. Lance's family says they're very disappointed by the interview and believe it was done for attention. Lance's family does not believe that they were both or I'm sorry. This sorry, guys. This is it's it's kind of far away. I'm reading it on this on the on the presentation screen. I probably could have made it bigger before I started reading it, but um Lance's family does believe that they both were involved in some way, but they don't believe they knew what they were getting themselves into. They think Tyler and Lance have been told to do specific things that day and that they might need Lance's cooperation for whatever case they are building. And right now Lance won't speak to anyone in his family about the entire situation. I mean look, this is a big deal. This is a big deal. I mean this because what this puts into doubt is the charging documents which is the only the only evidence that we have been given that shows that Tyler Robinson is the guilty party in this assassination against Charlie Kirk. That's it. That's it. So and I'll repeat it again for maybe the 100th time. There is certainly reason to doubt the narrative that we are being told. Okay? Now, this is oh and uh first of all, I guess before I move on, I want to thank uh Brandy for the information that she was provided here based on my conversation there with Gary. Um that's great stuff. Um Brandy and Billy, uh we we we all follow each other on on X and I appreciate the work you guys are doing and keep it up. I'll be I'll be paying attention to uh more of this as it continues to unfold as the trial continues to unfold, but this is all good stuff. I mean this is great this is great reporting right here. And it's very important reporting in the pursuit of truth. And it holds the authorities accountable for telling us what the truth actually is. So, thank you guys very much and I'll thank Blake Bednarz, too, for for watching the stream and for uh providing the information to help Gary and I out as we were going back and forth on this issue to find out what the truth about what to find out the truth about what that part of all of this is re- relating to Tyle's parents and what they think about this whole thing, which puts into doubt the charging documents. That's why this is important. >> [snorts] >> Okay. Then, and this is probably one of the moments where I got maybe the most frustrated. Um and made a comment that I felt like I was back talking to Andrew Wilson or Andrew Wilson and I, we couldn't get past the definition of the word decoy. Um like this is a very similar moment to that except in this part of the conversation with Gary, I I really feel like I got him here. I got him here and this is where I feel like I exposed some pretty bad hypocrisy from the other side. I I simply asked him to agree with me that Erica got caught lying about her dating history and I want you to take a listen to how he answers this. Watch. Can I at least just Can Can you at least just clarify? I need to know this from you. I need I need to know this from you. When Erica Kirk on a CBS with Bari Weiss responding to the young girl asking about uh dating in New York City. When Erica Kirk says "When I lived here for 5 years." and I'm paraphrasing, "but in the 5 years leading up to Charlie, I did not date here." which people say she did not date in New York City because she was being the type of person not engaging in the New York City drinking drinking scene. She said she did not drink during this time frame. Okay. When she says that, yet she also then goes on a 2018 show, Bravo, and is drinking at a New York City bar on a date with an individual, whether the fact that it's on a reality show or not, she is on a date in New York City drinking alcohol. Would you say that that is being honest to the girl that she is answering right there? I would say that what you're trying to do if if >> I'm not trying to do anything. I'm just asking you straight up if you think it's a if you think it's a lie or not because what I just can't what I can't get to is just to get your side to admit like this as a reality at all. And it's extremely frustrating for me. Like just take this single point and just tell me, is that an honest answer to the question or not? Okay, so first of all, hold on. If if if she is on a reality show and they happen to be drinking in that reality show, is that participating in the New York drinking scene? She's sipping from a straw and drinking alcohol down her throat. So, she's literally drinking alcohol. Like that yes. [laughter] Yeah, if you want to take if you want to I'm going to give this the straight to you. If you want to take it by the most literal sense and not her past perception of or or understanding the perception of the question, it's like there's people that are part of a drinking scene that go out and drink every single night. Yes. >> And then if you say, "Hey, Gary Gary, like I could even stop drinking. And like, hey, did you like most of my time in New York, I didn't participate in the drinking scene, didn't drink at all. But you have this one time this one time where I had a drink on a reality show for work. I guess I'm participating in the drinking scene and everything I said is a lie." I mean, that's ridiculous. That's That's not even a reasonable statement. If she's saying, "Hey, I didn't date in New York." Was any of her boyfriends from New York? The the the boyfriend or the date that she went on, yes, was in New York. Okay. >> know the guy's name. Okay. So, I'm I'm actually I'm making myself laugh listening to this again because I'm just asking him to admit and this is after I explained to him exactly what happened. And this is what I'm referring to, guys. And then I'll get to the the back half of of what Gary ends up getting at. But this is what I'm referring to. I put this post up. It got the the the thread on this. I put up an original post and then the thread on this got millions of views on X. But I said, "For you Erica Kirk defenders claiming that she was only talking about New York City dating, explain to me like I'm five the location of the Bravo 2018 season 3 of Summer House." I said, "Hint, it was a date on a New York City rooftop bar and she even had drinks, which she said which she said said, excuse me, that she did not do." Okay? And then it goes into I'm reposting there Erica Kirk blatantly lied about dating in the 5 years before Charlie Kirk. Can anyone so adamantly defending Erica say why? Like we wouldn't have even cared if she dated leading up to Charlie. We care now because she lied about it. Then this says here, Erica Frandsen publicly claimed that she did not date in the 5 years leading up to her meeting with Charlie Kirk. And then they say, and that's what I shared above. She was only talking about New York City. And then I literally cite the 2018 Jordan Verroi or however you pronounce his name. In the summer of 2018, just before meeting Charlie, appeared on season 3 of Bravo reality Summer House. During the show, she went on a date with a cast member, Jordan Verroi, uh who described her as beautiful and religious. And she is literally drinking alcohol in that. So, what happened was is the reason that she got caught in this lie is because she went on the CBS interview with Bari Weiss and she was asked a question by a young girl about New York City dating. And Erica misrepresented herself by telling the girl that she did not engage in the New York City dating scene because she was not doing that because she was she was trying to represent herself as a pious Christian waiting for her husband. Like waiting she was she she literally said to the girl, "If you want to attract a good Christian man, you then need to become someone who is worthy, I guess you can say, of attracting said man. And if you're out engaging in the New York City dating scene and drinking, you are therefore not doing that." So, and and here's the thing about that interview, which you're about to see. And this is where I get super frustrated with Gary. These were pre-planned questions that sh- she received from CBS prior to her going on that interview. She had time to plan what she was going to answer and she still chose to answer it that way. This is where I start to get pretty frustrated with Gary. Here's the last part of that clip. Guys, have you ever dated in New York City? She wasn't asked, "Have you ever drank?" No, she said, "I don't participate in that scene." >> [snorts] >> First, he's misrepresenting the question. She Of course she wasn't asked that. She was not asked, "Did you ever sh- That's not what That's not what she was asked. She wasn't asked anything about her New York City dating scene. She surrendered the information herself. The question that's that she received from the young girl on CBS had nothing to do with the New York with with with with Erica's dating past. She surrendered that herself. It had nothing to do with Erica's past or her dating or her drinking in New York City. Erica decided to divulge that information herself. Let's continue. That can absolutely In the 5 years leading up to Charlie, she Andrew Andrew asked you, "Do you watch porn?" And you say if you would say What was my answer? What was my answer? Did I misrepresent myself? Did I misrepresent myself in that in that conversation? >> Yes, because you were prepared for it. But if I just in the middle of >> I I was not prepared for Andrew to ask me if I've ever watched porn. I I was never prepared for that question. >> You were like, "Uh uh uh I And I would be, too, by the way. I would be, too. Gary Gary Gary Erica received the questions for that interview beforehand. She literally thought about her answer beforehand and literally said a false statement. That makes it even worse. Me and Andrew, you and I were having a live conversation with like I have a notebook here of notes. Like literally I have there's nobody else in this room. You and I can answer these questions with we're not be we're not prepared for this. She literally These were pre-planned questions and she came up with that answer to that individual. Like holy crap. Like it's just like this is All that example proves is just what I feel as though we our side gets accused of being evil, my Christian faith is called out for for these doubts and questions that I have with regard to the Charlie Kirk investigation and and and criticism of Turning Point USA and Erica Kirk. But when it all comes down to it, when I ask you a simple question as to whether or not you that she answered that question honestly, and this is just one small example, the answer is always some form of spin. Like it's just like I'm going to spin on it. There's a There's a reason she answered this way. Erica is It's just like my goodness. Like we And And it's like you guys accuse us of not being of not operating in good faith and I feel like the favor is returned on the other side. Yeah. I mean, need I say more? I mean, this is this is the whole thing and this is this is a great example of what my frustration is with all of this. Like they are they're so demanding of of the evidence of the precise the the the precise use of these terms and and semantics. Yet, when you turn around and just ask him like, "Hey man, like is this is this dishonest? Was this a lie?" It's it's always some there's always some spin or some explanation on it. You know, and then where I felt like I was then back in the conversation with Andrew Wilson is that Gary's producer then puts up on the screen like what the definition of lying is and how many times the average person lies per day. And I'm just like, "Oh my gosh, like okay, look, I get it. Guys, we've all told lies before. >> [laughter] >> But when a public figure doing a public media tour then gets caught blatantly lying, especially an individual who just took over a very powerful political organization, do we not call it out? Do we not spend a lot of our time or at least don't I here on this platform calling out the lives of the various politicians and public or cultural figures that have an impact on the world like I do. So, when I see that, I'm going to call it out and say something. And all of us who have just even just a shred of just basic line common sense can just see and understand all of these things. It's like, "My gosh, my goodness. No, I'm not I'm not asking you to give me what the definition of lying is or I'm not trying to get caught up here in how many times I've ever told a lie. I've Guess what, guys? I've not been perfect in my past. You heard him there. Andrew Wilson said that like that's that's what the example that he's trying to use there. Have you ever watched pornography? Oh, well, in my younger years when I wasn't a very when I wasn't the best version of myself, like yes, guys, I've sinned before. I've not been perfect. I've also told lies. If I'm confronted about these things and asked especially in a public media appearance that was planned before, I would you just got to be honest. You just got to be honest. We're not looking for perfection. And I said this, we're not looking for for perfection, we're just looking for authenticity. And when individuals lie, there is a reason for the lying. They're misrepresenting. They're covering something up. So, the reason that we have this and I was trying to explain this to Gary. The reason that people have grown skeptical, more skeptical or have started to ask more questions about Erica Kirk is because of the dishonesty. It's because of the lies. It's really not that complicated. It's really just not that complicated. All right, let me get to some of your guys's comments here. Um I wanted to bring this up because I thought it was a good one. Gary was on the something isn't right boat at the beginning. Then a couple months in, he started accusing Candace of grifting. His channel was all about hiring himself out for gun training. I will say this and I said this to Gary. Like I was following his stuff early on. I thought it was very good. Go back and look at all the initial like ballistic stuff. Gary was a doubter in the .30-06 narrative because of the wound that we saw. So, he was putting together different theories. I mean, body armor was the one at the time of of what happened to Charlie. I mean, he went to UVU and as I told him to his face like he some of his early work helped me clear up some things. Um like the accusation that the the footage of the guy running off the roof was AI. Because you saw someone in the lower right corner of the video disappear. And he helpfully explained that there's a path there that drops off. And he actually showed how you can disappear from that angle. Good stuff. Really good stuff. Look, I I had no one of the actual one of the very very good episodes that I watched of of Gary, he had the ex-FBI agent and what now whistleblower Kyle Seraphin on his show and they explained how the FBI was looking into foreign ties and and into covert influence as it related to whoever the assassin was. And I thought that was really good and interesting information. But yes, Gary was a skeptic in the something isn't right boat. He was there. I said to him like he caught the Candace 19 and now all his channel is and now all the content is his accent and everything else is is just really just anti-Candace, just attacking Candace type stuff. And I I don't I don't I just don't agree with that. Uh No Legend, thank you for the super chat. Happy Holy Week, Zach and chat fam. Yes, this is Holy Week and um I think probably here towards the end of the week, so I think for I'm thinking for my Friday episode, um as of right now, I'll let you guys know. Um I'm penciled in and we haven't confirmed. I need to look at my messages. I'm actually going to go on Coach Collins' member only show on Friday morning. So, that should be interesting. And uh then I'm thinking that for the show in the later afternoon, I'll do something that's probably more Good Friday related. So, uh that should be good. We'll be on the lookout for that. I I have an idea of what I want to do and what I want to talk about and what I want to cover, uh especially with regard like kind of going through each eat do commentary on each station of the cross uh for a Good Friday episode. I think that would be uh pretty meaningful and helpful not just for me, but for everybody. Um I think that's probably what we'll focus on on Friday. We'll we'll take a break from a lot of the political and cultural commentary and get into some more spiritual stuff on Friday. Uh thank you here for the super chat, Jed. Uh debating is a skill that favors the more experienced debate over truth. Uh and that's a little bit of my frustration with it. Like I Here's what the thing I mean, the thing about the Andrew Wilson conversation and that's what I'm going to continue to call it uh conversation or discussion was is I didn't even know what Andrew's position was going into it. And I and you can go back and look at the conversation that he and I had on X about it prior to him joining. Like I I I just didn't know. I didn't know where he stood on things and I and I was I really wanted to know. I was curious. I mean, he seemed to be outspoken more so against like Ian Carroll in particular. That's what caught my attention. So, I really wanted to know where he stood on things and um I I guess you know, I expected it to be I guess I knew what I was getting myself into with regard to like just knowing who he was, but um yeah, I was approaching it more so like kind of an open kind of open discussion type of thing and not necessarily uh a debate and I it turned into I think someone I think it just it was almost like an apples to oranges type of conversation. Like one person having just kind of like an open free thought discussion versus someone who was approaching it like a debate and getting uh like hung up and criticizing certain words or semantics. But in any case, I I I would say again, I thought it was good. I thought it was fruitful. It helped me in particular kind of clarify again, my role and and and where I stand in a lot of these things. And and that's why I think this is good, guys. Like sometimes it can be like messy. It can be um you know, it can it it can be tough to get through some of these things and some of these discussions, but ultimately I think it does bear fruit because I think it helps you think about and clarify where you stand and where the other side stands on this. And and I think that that's positive. Uh I really do. Uh thank you so much for that uh support and for the super chat there. Uh yeah, thanks so much. Um another one here. So, thank you again for that super chat. Uh wants to find the truth about C, love from Norway. Absolutely. And again, I think I made my stance on this pretty clear um at the outset here and then also at the beginning of the Paramount Tactical conversation. Um I kind of laid that out. I laid out what I was about and I laid that out to you guys here. And really it it it really is just about finding the truth. Um that's it. That's it. And I want to know what the full truth is regardless of the consequences. And I can tell you this, um as I said, I'm I'm I'm actually more open-minded after these conversations and discussions. Um I mean, to be honest with you, really going through the closing really going through the charging documents and then hearing hearing guys like Andrew Wilson, but probably even more so Gary um talk about what they have, which really isn't that much. I mean, what what What I thought was really interesting is that Gary talked about all of the overwhelming evidence that actually exist outside of the charging documents. And I've heard kind of Brandon Tatum repeat the same thing. Like once we get to trial, you guys are going to see all of this evidence that comes out that exist outside of the charging documents. And in my mind, I'm like, "Well, good. Good, because there's the burden of proof is on the state. The burden of proof is on the state to prove that Tyler Robinson is the individual that took that shot from that location on the roof. It is the the burden of proof is on the state to prove that Tyler Robinson, and I say prove to us, but prove to the jury, prove to the people that Tyler Robinson did take that shot. He is guilty and he is worthy of the death penalty. They have to prove that to us. And the charging documents, what's very alarming about the charging documents is that they do not put Tyler Robinson on that roof with any proof. That's crazy. What makes it crazy is that you have just have so many people out there these so many figures out there in the media saying Tyler Robinson is guilty. That's crazy given the charging documents. And that's that's that's all we know. Everything else is hearsay. There's no other evidence that exists. So, yeah, I mean, that's a pretty pretty a bold claim to say that Tyler Robinson is definitely guilty given given what we have in the charging documents. So, and and and one of the things I want to do, too, cuz I saw Baron Coleman um and I've actually I've spoken with Baron since since this. Uh we spoke since both of these conversations, after both of these conversations. And he he said that I almost fell into the trap of being the one that has to present the evidence. And I agreed with him to some extent because I agree with him in that the burden of proof is on the state, is on the prosecutor to provide the evidence that Tyler Robinson is guilty. However, and this is a little bit of my pushback on Baron. Like, I don't think our side. The reason that I bring up the different irregularities and data points and evidence that we have on our side, I guess on the alternative side or on the dissenting side, is because I feel like there is legitimate justification for the alternative narrative or the dissenting narrative as far as it goes. Like, I think that a lot of the things that we're seeing, a lot of the things that Candace has uncovered or that Baron has uncovered, um or maybe even Blake and John uh Blake Bednarz and John Bray, I forget his his last name, um or his full name. I just think that they're I think that they're bringing forth legitimate uh irregularities, data points, and evidence that support what I referred to with Gary as this circumstantial evidence web that provides this reasonable doubt against what the state has on Tyler Robinson. And that's important cuz when you look at and this is what I was trying to get out with Gary. When you look at each individual piece on its own, it might be easy to dismiss it or discount it as just an irregularity. But when you have one here, one here, one here, one here, one here, what it creates is this circumstantial evidence web that I think certainly provides or builds up the dissenting or alternative side here. So, that's why I bring up some of these examples. That's why I bring up some of these examples because I guess I don't want my opinion to be based on stupid [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> What it all comes down to. Like, I don't I I I there's a reason I believe what I believe. And I and I want to justify my belief. I want to justify the position that I have. And based on what I've seen from covering uh and again, I'm covering these things more broadly. I'm a commentator. I'm a I I I recognize these different patterns and I and I provide here on my channel um or at least what I was doing very early on was providing a number of different arguments, looking at and and and commenting on a number of different arguments. And I see different takes and I'm I'm open to what the conclusion is. I'm not drawing any specific conclusion. I'm not married to anything. I'm I'm simply just married to the truth. I am subject to the truth here. I'm not determining what the truth is. I am simply subject to it. I think that's very important to state. But thank you very much for that super chat. I really appreciate you and thank you for the comment. Uh Anna, thank you. Your country is a is in desperate need of someone to unite the divided States of America. I think you could be that someone. Um well, uh thank you for your comment and thank you for the encouraging words. Um I I mean, I would say I'm doing my part. I feel like I I am doing my part in in um you know, hoping to unify. I mean, I I've I've talked I mean, I think unification is a is an important theme of uh of my channel. Um I think it's important that we unify with with the right parties, with the right people. It's hard to unify with with people that are that do not exist um that are not pursuing the truth in good faith, that it's hard to it's hard to unify with individuals who are uh I was going to say exist outside of the truth. Um I talk about unifying the different orthodox or more traditional conservative Christian beliefs um in order to build up our our voices here in the in the political and cultural arena. Um but yeah, I mean, my platform and and everything that I talk about here is to hopefully contribute to that unification and and to hopefully get America to a better place. I I don't think America I don't think we can move forward as a country if we don't understand the truth, if we're not told the truth about things, if we don't live in truth, we can never operate in an aligned way that that moves us upward uh toward the better way of living. I mean, this is a fundamental aspect of what I believe. When we are in truth, which is being aligned in truth is being aligned with God and reality. To tell someone the truth is the highest form of love. It's not to accept an individual in their delusion. It's to it's to help individuals get aligned with the truth and with God. This is the way that leads to life. It's the way that leads to life in full. So, we cannot move forward and upward as a people. You can't do this as an individual. You can't do this as a family. You can't do this as an organization. You can't do this as a state. You can't do this as as a nation. You cannot move forward to your highest form of potential. You cannot move forward to life in full if you exist outside of the truth. A nation and a life built on lies crumbles. It cannot take It cannot take us to where we need to go. It cannot take us to where we ultimately desire to go, which is ultimately to God. That's why I mean, that's why this this Charlie Kirk investigation is so important. That's why we want to know the truth. We want to know the full truth so that we can move forward in truth so that we can move upward and onward toward life in full. Ultimately, that's what we're going for and that's what my channel is hopefully here to do in some small way. I'm going to give a shout-out to a guy that I've really grown to appreciate here. Um we got a comment here. It said, "I would love to see you and Matthew McKean from the Black Line Brief channel. And Zach, you are both sincere in my opinion." Uh if you guys have a chance, go and check out the bleed the Black Line Brief channel. Um I like Matt. He uh was helpful actually in giving me some some information and some tips regarding the Gary Melton conversation. So, um I appreciate Matt and and what he's doing over there on the Black Line Brief channel. And if you guys have a chance, go and check it out. It's good stuff. Mail Lady Mama, thank you for the super chat there. First time catching you live. While watching you and Gary, I kept wanting to reach through the screen and shake the devil out of him. Blessings to you and family. Thank you for those blessings. Um and thank you for catching me live for the first time. Thank you for being here. Um yeah, you know, look, I I I I I'll tell you what. I enjoyed the conversation with Gary. Um I think doing the conversation with Andrew uh prepared me a little bit more for how it was going to be. And yeah, and look, I know this side disagrees. I know they may even think that what I believe or that, you know, what I believe is stupid or idiotic. And I think that what I did is I provided at least Gary with a very good explanation or justification for uh why we believe what we believe. Um Shake the devil out of him. Look, we've all got the capacity for for evil within each and every one of us and we've all got to do our best to to root it out within each and every one. So, again, I'm more so about having these conversations and especially these tough conversations with people that don't agree with me so that we can uh so that we can find and move forward and clarify and get uh closer to the truth. So, like I said, we can have a better we can have a better country and a better better life. Um so so that's what I'm doing and that's why I had these conversations. I mean, in in all fairness to me, >> [laughter] >> the you know, other than John Yep, who who obviously I I like and is a friend, um and who generally agrees with me about a number of different things, I've really only talked to people that disagree with me. >> [laughter] >> Uh Lisa, Lisa knows, um and uh Andrew Wilson. Now I now we know that he obviously disagrees. And Gary. So, I think it's good I think it's good though, guys. It's good. Every single one of you guys who watched those entire And I think you can you know, I know people comment on things, they don't watch the whole thing. I think if you actually watch all of it, if you actually watch in the full context of everything that you see, not just the clips, but if you actually watch each of those in in full, you will think more about your position on this, and you will and it will help you clarify where you are on these things. And And therefore, I consider this valuable. Uh Camille, thank you for the super chat there. Happy Easter Zach and family. Happy Easter to you as well, and I hope you guys really do have a good and meaningful Holy Week. Um as we get later into the week, like I said, Friday will be a more spiritual show, but I think what we need to do also is just focus on um kind of what's happening over the course of the week with regard to um we just had Palm Sunday this last weekend uh when when Jesus enters into Jerusalem and is and is praised as the Messiah coming into Jerusalem. Uh and and that is a very obviously historic and important moment. We just had that this past weekend and and now we have Holy Week, so I think it'd be good as we go throughout the week to to to not obviously not forget about that, but but focus on focus on that because ultimately that is what is most important this week. Um we've got we've got the most important Christian holiday um uh holiday feast day uh coming up here this weekend, and it's good that we you know, prepare our minds and our hearts for that feast day that's coming up. >> [snorts] >> Uh Mary, TPUSA is at schools, colleges, and depend on donations. They must be held to a high standard. 100%. Look, this is a this is not some small little mom-and-pop organization. This is a big money, big power organization. Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA helped flip the US presidential election. Like these are big things at stake here, and um who is running it and the impact that they have or or maybe are now failing to have on the American people is a big deal. It's a big deal. And you know, Charlie Charlie Kirk was a guy who had his finger on the pulse of the American people and had an ear of the president of the United States and had you know, lobbying and influence power um with regard to the happenings of the big-time happenings of the world, specifically the bombing of and the war in Iran. And you know, where I'm at right now is I I tend to agree with with Candace and what she put out and that Charlie Kirk was the first victim of the Iran war. Um that's that's where I'm at. >> [laughter] >> That's where I'm at even after these tough conversations. So, yeah, whoever is leading this organization and this organi- organization itself, it has a lot of influence. Not only what you mentioned there, they they have their fingers and reach in in in in all colleges and you know, a lot of high schools throughout the country, but they've also have they also have the one of the largest network of networks of evangelical Christian churches in America. This is this is a big deal. It's a big deal. They've got influence, they've got some power, so it's important that they're held accountable. And the leader of the organization is held accountable. That's this is not complicated stuff. Uh Elizabeth, thank you for the super chat here. Uh why do GNA seem to know so much more inside info? Yeah, I I mean, I don't know if they do or if they just claim to. I mean, Gary mentioned that a lot. He He talked about the different pieces of evidence that none of us that the public doesn't have, but that he seems to know about. Like the all of this overwhelming evidence that we haven't seen that they have. Like um he he he mentions like the pinging of Tyler Robinson's cell phone. Like they have they can track his location. He talks about that. I mean, he you know, he talks about a number of these different things that none of us have seen. So, I don't know if they're just speculating or if they have something else. I mean, if they have something that's more inside, I don't I don't know. Um but ultimately it's not public what they're talking about. I mean, it's it's specifically with Gary, none of that none of that evidence the public knows anything about. And if they're going to say, "Well, it's all going to come out in trial." It's like, "Okay, good. Let's see it." Let's see it. If the state can prove without If the state can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Tyler Robinson acted alone and took that shot from that location, if they can prove it with all of the evidence and it's overwhelming, I will accept it. I will accept the truth. I will accept the truth. I am subject to truth. I do not determine what the truth is. I am just a man, a YouTuber who is talking about these things, commenting on these things. I do not determine what truth is. I accept what the truth is. Uh Granny, blessed Holy Week to you and your family. Take Friday off. Um thank you. Blessed Holy Week to you and your family as well. Um we will I will not be doing anything uh the show will will not go past 3:00 p.m. on Friday. Um if we do anything, it'll probably be earlier, and then we'll be done by 3:00. There's a we do um at my church we're going to uh there's a 3:00 p.m. Good Friday uh service that we're that we're going to be going to. So, I'll be going to that, and we will not be I will not be here on YouTube broadcasting, so. Uh thanks for that. And then we'll be and then I'll be off for the weekend. Um so, for the Triduum, well, I guess that actually starts on Holy Thursday, right? I think that's Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I [snorts] should double-check on that. Geez. Um but in any case, I think we can do something good and spiritual on on Friday, and then I'll be off early so that we can so me and my family can get to that 3:00 p.m. that Good Friday uh service. So, that'll be the plan. >> [snorts] >> Thanks for the super sticker. I appreciate that. Um Granny, you sent two of them. Well, I appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you for the super chats. All right, guys, just a couple more here. Not the actual devil LOL, it's a southern thing. Yeah, no, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. >> [laughter] >> Um Hey, you just wanted to say this. You just wanted to smack the smack the stupid out of him. Smack him back into reality, you know? Gary was good early on. He was good early on. You want No, you want to smack the Candace-19 out of him. That's really what you want to get out of him, right? He's got to get the the Candace vax. >> [laughter] >> That's what he needs. No, I I was just get I was giving him a hard time, but I you know, as far as catching the Candace-19, I really feel like that's what he that's what he caught, and man, he was doing such good work early on, too. Even though he was wrong about the body armor, I really feel like he was he was in pursuit of of the truth and what was going on. So. And then last one here, have a great Easter. You too. You too. And nope, I'm sorry, there's one more. Um I would love to see you I would love to see you and Matt on your show. You guys just want true and so you guys just want the truth. And so do we. Sick of what people try and feed us and lie and think uh and think they're not accountable. Sean Tell from Australia. Yeah, thanks for that. Um maybe eventually. Maybe eventually. Look, I appreciate the work Matt is doing. Um and I have been paying attention to a couple of the recent arguments. I I I did watch uh a good portion of his episode with Guys, what is his name? John Bray what? John Bray Can somebody tell me? Somebody tell me in the chat. He's the guy that's exploring who has done the work on the exploding mic theory. What is the name? John Bray what? Somebody John Bray Aaron or is it John Aaron Bray? Ah, got you. Thank you. Thank you for that. John Aaron Bray. Um I watched a good amount of his his episode with that, and then yeah, I see you guys either Trigger Smart or Black Line would be great with regard to who he was on. I I actually saw a portion of both of those episodes. And like I said, I'm more open-minded. I'm more open-minded. I'll tell you guys that. That is for sure. You guys got a couple more uh super chats coming in here, so let's keep going for a little bit, but I got to get to the gym. You guys know me, I got to get to the gym. Um uh TPUSA is cutting the Achilles of their army. If they're not careful, their army will be very careful. If they're not careful, their army will be very careful before continuing to sacrifice themselves for the cause. Uh yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people that were very big fans of Turning Point USA that are waking up to all of this stuff. And uh I mean, they need to be careful or I they need to understand I mean, they talk about having their pulse on the finger of the people previously. Now, it's like the opposite. It's just it's tone-deaf stuff, and they don't seem to have an idea of where the people are on a lot of these things. It's kind of just become like more so just like a neocon MAGA Trump shilling organization. Is where they are now. Not of the people, but of the elites. I mean, that's one of the That's That's a very strong criticism of them right now, and a lot of people are noticing that. Uh then last one, Zach's the kind of guy you want your daughter to marry. Baron Coleman said that about me? >> [laughter] >> Did he really say that? Oh, man. Uh that's funny. Yeah, guys, I'll tell you this. Baron and I had a really good really good and and long conversation. Um it was really It was great. I I really enjoyed the conversation that I had with Baron. Um and uh I I like him I like him a lot. I really feel like um he and I are are aligned about many things. You There are people There are people that you can talk to, and there are people that you follow where you just you just kind of know. You just kind of know that they're um I don't know. That that they're that they're that they're trustworthy, that they're um aligned, I guess you can say, and uh Baron is certainly one of those people. And be on the lookout because we are going to be doing some stuff here together in the future. Um help I'll probably get him on here at some point on the live show, and we can talk about some of these things, and uh it looks like I am penciled in on one of Baron's shows here coming up in the near future. So, we're going to continue to uh we we don't have dates official dates set, but um we will be we will be talking. So, I'm looking forward to that. But, that's funny. >> [laughter] >> I appre- That's funny that Baron said that. Um Zach's the kind of guy you want your daughter to marry. >> [laughter] >> Uh I agree. I try to be that way, at least. All right, then Nola Jen, regular here, last one. A Baron and Zach Good Friday collab. Um S- That was a So, I I'll say this, Jen, that was a possibility, but I just think given the times and given what Good Friday is, I think that's why that's why we ultimately decided that was not going to be the day. Um but it was talked about. I'll tell you that. It was talked about. But, I think just timing-wise and and just kind of what And I mentioned that 3:00 p.m. service that I was trying to get to. I think just timing didn't align for that day. But, in any case, um it's going to happen, and I'm looking forward to it. But, all right, guys, that's going to be it for today. Um thank you for being here with me. Um you know, I was excited to get back in here over the weekend after Obviously, you know, we I did Andrew Wilson I think on Wednesday. Gary reached out, and you know, he he reached out I think the next day. We scheduled it for Friday, and I did that long show, and then had to get to some family stuff. My son had baseball, then we were away at um at some baseball stuff this past weekend. So, I I you know, I had some time Saturday to take a look at some of the stuff. Um I had, you know, the guys that that do my clips and work for me kind of go through that and and put some some of the clips up from it. But, I had not really had a chance to really um you know, express my own thoughts or do my own c