Tucker Carlson Refuses to Denounce Candace Owens and Defends Darryl Cooper's World War II Analysis

[00:00] your good friend Candi Owens has been

[00:03] putting out some pretty wacko stuff I

[00:05] would say would be my opinion on the

[00:07] death of Charlie. Um

[00:10] [clears throat]

[00:11] it's not helpful, is it that, you know,

[00:14] at that time of an incredible national

[00:17] upheaval and obviously personal and

[00:19] familial family tragedy, uh to have

[00:22] someone like that picking it picking

[00:24] apart the argument and picking

[00:26] suggesting that there are darker forces

[00:29] at play here that the US government have

[00:31] a hand in covering up it. Just can you

[00:33] see why people get upset by that and and

[00:35] would like you perhaps to sort of

[00:37] distance yourself from that sort of

[00:38] thing.

[00:40] [laughter]

[00:43] >> Uh pretty funny. So am I going to attack

[00:46] Candace Owens because you think

[00:47] >> I'm not asking you to I'm not asking you

[00:48] to attack her.

[00:49] >> I'm not going to do that, Harry.

[00:51] >> Probably not going to do I'm not I'm

[00:53] going to give you the benefit of the

[00:54] doubt as a foreigner of not

[00:55] understanding our politics. But the

[00:57] whole ritual of you know this person,

[00:59] this person said something I don't like.

[01:01] In order to be a good person, you must

[01:03] denounce this person. Obviously, I'm

[01:04] never going to I would die before I

[01:06] played along with that. I I don't know

[01:08] anyone who's saying that who was the

[01:09] moral authority to compel me. I don't I

[01:11] don't know anyone saying that it was any

[01:12] moral authority at all. And I would say

[01:15] broadly, not about Candice, whom I love,

[01:19] but about all people

[01:22] getting to the truth is the most

[01:24] important thing. I've devoted my life to

[01:26] it. I haven't always done a very good

[01:27] job at all, but it still remains to this

[01:30] day my animating motive. I want to know

[01:33] what the truth is. Again, I I don't

[01:35] always get there. I often usually don't

[01:37] get there, but I want to be the guy who

[01:40] cares what's true.

[01:42] A B if you're telling me that because

[01:44] the US government or some law

[01:46] enforcement agency issues a statement

[01:48] that doesn't even make sense that I'm

[01:50] required somehow morally to accept that

[01:52] and not ask any questions like can you

[01:55] hear yourself?

[01:56] I mean are what what are you saying?

[01:58] >> No, I'm I'm I'm just saying I'm trying

[02:00] to understand that the point I'm making.

[02:02] >> No, I'm trying to understand why you

[02:03] answer my question. What No, hold on.

[02:05] What are What What are you saying? So,

[02:06] if you're saying that that if a law

[02:08] enforcement agency issues an explanation

[02:11] that doesn't actually answer like basic

[02:13] key questions about what happened that

[02:15] I'm somehow a bad person for asking a

[02:18] follow-up question.

[02:18] >> No, I don't think I'm not I'm not saying

[02:20] that at all. I'm saying that why why

[02:21] there is a legal process undergoing and

[02:23] why a guy is standing in an American

[02:25] courtroom today potentially facing the

[02:27] chair for his role in this that case,

[02:30] you know, needs to

[02:31] >> he's in I don't think he's in a

[02:32] courtroom today. I don't think he's pled

[02:34] either way in this case. He was he was

[02:35] in court. He was in court this afternoon

[02:37] for for a hearing. Did Did he plead?

[02:41] >> It's ongoing as we as as as we as we go

[02:44] on. I think it was a I think

[02:45] >> so. I'll tell you my position as

[02:46] >> No, just let me just finish my point.

[02:48] Let me just finish my point. My point is

[02:49] you asked my question. You asked what

[02:51] I'm saying. I'm saying is it's

[02:52] spectacularly unhelpful to have

[02:54] conspiracy theories uh you know and you

[02:56] know questioning the

[02:58] >> unhelpful to whom?

[02:59] >> Unhelpful to the to hopefully getting

[03:01] justice for the guy that put a bullet in

[03:03] in that young man's neck. UN in what

[03:05] sense why is it okay okay if a

[03:08] government issue I mean I think this is

[03:10] kind of why your country is jumping off

[03:11] a cliff collectively because it's like

[03:13] well the government said so

[03:14] >> in my country we have a long tradition

[03:17] of freedom and that means that every

[03:21] person is allowed to come to his own

[03:23] conclusions based on the facts and

[03:24] consistent with his own conscience our

[03:26] bill of rights unlike yours guarantees

[03:28] that right that's why we don't send

[03:29] people to prison for Facebook posts so

[03:32] if the government issues a description

[03:34] of what they say happened and it doesn't

[03:36] make sense to you. I'm not sure who it's

[03:38] quote unhelpful to to ask like what does

[03:41] this mean? What are you saying?

[03:43] >> And you know, I I I'm not referring

[03:45] specifically to Candace Owens or or

[03:47] anyone else, but like what I what is

[03:49] what are you even talking about? Why is

[03:51] that unhelpful? Are you saying that the

[03:53] government always reaches the right

[03:54] conclusion? Is that what you're saying?

[03:56] >> No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm

[03:57] saying there's a risk though that that

[03:59] during a live trial essentially that

[04:01] this risk to whom a risk to the justice

[04:03] a risk to the trial collapsing a risk to

[04:05] giving this guy ammunition to perhap you

[04:08] know to suggest in a courtroom that his

[04:10] that the case against him is somehow

[04:11] flawed.

[04:13] >> But you're assuming he's guilty. Like

[04:14] that's not our system. We don't we don't

[04:16] pronounce people guilty without hearing

[04:17] the evidence. I don't know what country

[04:18] are you from. That's not how it works

[04:20] yet.

[04:20] >> I'm not assuming he's guilty. I'm saying

[04:21] he's on trial right now. We don't put

[04:24] anybody to death unless we're sure they

[04:27] actually did it. And we're sure they did

[04:30] it because we've heard all the evidence.

[04:31] We've heard the counterargument against

[04:32] that evidence and then citizens make up

[04:34] their mind. So that's our system. That's

[04:37] how we arrive at justice. We don't just

[04:38] assume because we heard three things on

[04:40] Twitter that someone is guilty and

[04:42] deserves the death penalty. Like that is

[04:43] not justice. That's like African

[04:46] justice. And we just try not to do that

[04:47] here. So I don't know. It looks like

[04:50] this guy did it. From everything I've

[04:51] heard, it sounds like he did it. I don't

[04:53] know. I still don't understand the

[04:55] story. And I think that's fair to say.

[04:57] It's not unhelpful to say that. It's

[04:59] just true. And by the way, it's never

[05:00] unhelpful to tell the truth. The whole

[05:03] mandate in life, especially our

[05:05] business, is just tell the truth.

[05:07] >> Yeah. Do you

[05:09] >> do you you once gave a an interview

[05:11] where you accused Pat Buchanan of of

[05:14] needling Jewish people and

[05:16] >> Oh, yeah.

[05:17] >> That's Patan up and down. [laughter]

[05:20] you had a you had a bow tie on back in

[05:23] in those in those days. But that

[05:25] accusation and it has been thrown back

[05:27] at you, you know, for inviting Daryl

[05:29] Cooper onto your onto your show. Uh, you

[05:32] know, the guy who said that Churchill

[05:33] question I was thinking I was think of

[05:36] World War II. Yeah. Daryl Cooper. So

[05:38] yeah, but I mean it's

[05:39] >> Daryl Cooper's like actually kind of

[05:40] liberal and very moderate and I don't

[05:42] really know that episode which I thought

[05:46] was really interesting and I really like

[05:47] Daryl Cooper enormously as a person. And

[05:49] I think he's an honest person. I don't

[05:51] know if he's right about everything, but

[05:52] he seems motivated by a desire to find

[05:54] out what's true. I'm not exactly sure

[05:56] what Daryl Cooper said to cause this

[05:59] like world historic event.

[06:01] >> He said that Churchill was the chief

[06:03] villain of the Second World War.

[06:05] >> No. Okay. I I don't look I'm not I'll

[06:08] tell you what I think which is any

[06:09] anytime you are sending money and

[06:12] munitions to Joseph Stalin

[06:15] who was the greatest mass murderer in

[06:18] the history of Europe killed more

[06:19] Christians than any person in history

[06:21] more than more than Nero then you're on

[06:24] the wrong path. How about this? Don't

[06:26] send weapons to Joseph Stalin. It's not

[06:27] an endorsement of Hitler. I I loathe

[06:29] Hitler. I'm not pro Hitler. Hitler's

[06:31] disgusting. But I don't think that any

[06:34] government should ever send weapons to

[06:36] Joseph Stalin. Like that's just not

[06:38] hard. And we did. And your government

[06:40] did enthusiastically. And it's very

[06:42] shameful that you did that. And why is

[06:44] that? You're not allowed to say that. I

[06:46] I don't understand. Why is that? I'm not

[06:48] a Holocaust denier. I'm not

[06:50] anti-Semitic. I just don't think you

[06:52] should send weapons to Joseph Stalin

[06:53] because he murdered tens of millions of

[06:55] people.

[06:55] >> That would therefore make Jose.

[06:58] >> I get that. I agree with that. But that

[07:00] would that would surely that would

[07:02] surely make Joseph Stalin not Winston

[07:04] Churchill the chief villain you know

[07:06] excluding Hitler if okay but okay let me

[07:10] remind you of your own history who

[07:11] facilitated those weapons transfers it

[07:14] was Winston Churchill it was your prime

[07:17] minister who convinced our president

[07:20] >> that we needed to support Joseph Stalin

[07:23] like no no that is wrong Christian I

[07:27] find it disgusting to some atheist

[07:29] monster who's murdering Christians,

[07:31] murdering priests like wholesale,

[07:33] blowing up churches. No, I don't think

[07:35] so. I'm not for that. And no amount of

[07:38] screaming by Ben Shapiro is going to

[07:40] make me for that. I hate Hitler,

[07:42] obviously. Let me say it again. I'm very

[07:44] anti-Hitler.

[07:44] >> That goes with I think that goes for

[07:46] that.

[07:47] >> But is Churchill the chief villain? I

[07:48] mean, obviously a leader dear to dear to

[07:51] >> the chief villain. I mean, look at your

[07:52] country now. It's pathetic. Like, how is

[07:54] that a win? As I said to Pierce the

[07:56] other day, I was like, "How did you guys

[07:58] win? You go to Japan. Japan has

[08:01] problems, but Japan is a wonderful,

[08:02] functional, beautiful, clean. Your

[08:05] country's not clean. Neither's mine.

[08:07] Like, cleanliness is really important.

[08:08] If your cities are dirty,

[08:11] you know, you've gone way off the

[08:14] rails." And and by the way, the

[08:16] Victorians would never have they

[08:18] believe, they understood that order was

[08:20] the first thing God created out of

[08:21] chaos. And that is a virtue just by

[08:25] itself. Order is a virtue. And you walk

[08:27] through London, parts of London are

[08:28] wonderful. Parts of London are just

[08:30] absolutely filthy. They're like New York

[08:31] or Philadelphia. Like that's not

[08:33] acceptable. And why not just say that?

[08:36] And why is it the Victor countries that

[08:39] are the worst? Like what was that? And

[08:41] no, someone who can't reassess that

[08:43] without like screaming Holocaust deni.

[08:46] It has nothing to do with Jews. It's

[08:47] literally nothing to do with Jews. I'm

[08:48] just like, what is that? Shut up. Well,

[08:51] I'm not going to shut up because I

[08:52] haven't said anything wrong. Everything

[08:54] I've said is reasonable and you know

[08:55] it's reasonable.

[08:56] >> And so, like, why the attempt to police

[08:59] reasonable observations? Like, what?

[09:01] Why?