Turning Point USA's Accepts Candace Owens Public Challenge to Answer Questions About Charlie Kirk's Assassination

All right, you guys. It's happening. It's [snorts] happening. Everybody stay calm. After yesterday's episode where we went kind of for the juggler with Turning Point USA because really I think everybody in the entire world has had enough with the nonresponse, trying to move on, trying to gaslight us on answering basic details. So, we just went for it. And guess what? Turning Point has moved to formally respond to all the things that we have said. And after a very long diet tribe in which they wildly misrepresent the public and global investigation of Charlie Kirch's assassination, they at long last issued a public invitation or a challenge. I'm not sure what it is, but I accept. Okay. Quite literally, all we have ever asked for were sensible answers to our basic questions about what transpired on September 10th. And it looks like we're going to get those things. So major major win. I'm excited. Also later on in the show, what I have for you is The Game, whose rapper is releasing a song that is entitled The Assassination of Candace Owens. And I have more questions. I've got questions. Am I allowed to have questions? Welcome back to Candace. What can I say other than we went max pause, reflect. I'm proud of everybody. I'm proud of the world. every single person who was in my inbox giving me tips, the people inside of Turning Point USA who were leaking, the donors that wrote public letters, the donors that didn't write public letters but sent us messages encouraging us to keep going. Today feels like a win because guess what? It forced Turning Point USA to finally respond. And that was the entire point. Okay, that has been the point of refusing to let up even one second in this investigation. They wanted to simply be able to eulogize Charlie Kirk at a big memorial event and then they wanted us to simply move on and we didn't do that. Okay. So yeah, we should celebrate the fact that we kept up the pressure that we insisted that we have answers that even in this tremendous culture of ADHD and everyone's constantly being distracted by their iPhones that we kept the focus. Okay. Turning Point is going going to commit to a livereamed event where they are apparently going to answer all of these lingering questions. And I would say these were pretty basic questions right out of the gate. Why they didn't do that right out of the gate, nobody knows. We can hear them uh their explanation for why they didn't in just a moment uh because they sent Blake Nef out. Blake Nef, by the way, is the producer of the Charlie Kirk show. Now, he is kind of the rotating talent of the Charlie Kirk show. He was already featured with Charlie on the show, so that's not unusual. But I think we probably anticipated that Andrew Kulvette, who is the TPUSA spokesperson, would have been the person to deliver this message. Maybe in theory that should have been his job. Maybe he's traveling. The point is, we got Blake Nef. And I want to say, just to reiterate that I have always maintained that whatever is going on at Turning Point USA, I have not felt that Blake Nef is one of the bad guys. Okay? I just have never gotten that particular vibe from him. I believe that when he speaks, he believes that he is telling the truth. And maybe that's why they want him in front of the camera. He's been the only person that has been responding in a way that feels even remotely authentic when he defends the actions of Mikey McCoy on that day. I I sense that he believes that he is telling the truth. Anyways, let's listen to what Blake Nef had to say in its entirety. It's not going to feel organic. Obviously, he's reading from a piece of paper. This has probably been been reviewed 12 times by many different lawyers because that's how it works at big organizations and companies. But um I don't fault him that. We'll pause at certain moments because I do want to be able to respond throughout it. It's a bit long, but I want to give them my platform as I always have made that offer to. So here is Blake Nef. Ever since Charlie's murder, Candace Owens has leveled a flood of allegations against people at Turning Point USA, people at Turning Point Action, and people who work for this show. She has made them against some of Charlie's closest friends, and against some of his most dedicated employees. >> Yes, >> she has suggested that Michael McCoy, Charlie's chief of staff, knew Charlie would be murdered, was happy that he died, and stayed silent because he was told he would be the next Charlie. She has suggested Michael is not his real name. It is I have seen his birth certificate myself. She has called it suspicious that Mikey's wife who works at Turning Point helped plan the campus tour event where Charlie was murdered which she didn't by the way. She doesn't work on campus events. >> Okay. So, first and foremost, I actually never said that she helped plan the event. I said it was suspicious that Mikey McCoy's wife um that we never found out who did plan the event. That we want that was one of the answers that we wanted to know. Uh, and I said that she works in events. Still was not clear on what happened regarding Mikey McCoy. I think the entire world believes that his actions are suspicious. Uh, because we have eyes and you don't get to wiggle out of that by pretending that us playing the words of his own father, Rob McCoy, who I think is highly suspicious in all of this. He has a suspicious background. Uh, we played his own words as he tried to sanitize someone who spent time in prison for being a sexual deviant, right, for trying to take photos of uh, young girls. I I don't think he's a good guy. And you're not going to make us forget those things because you are trying to pretend that Mikey's actions were totally normal that day. They weren't. That's why I I didn't make the public feel that way. Okay. Um, I may have voiced how they felt, which everyone else is refusing to do, but I do believe that Mikey McCoy should have to answer for who he had on the phone right when the shot went off. So, yeah, his father, his own father is the one that spoke about Charlie's notebooks and spoke about how Mikey McCoy was talented. And it was Mikey McCoy who then jumped on Liberty University's stage for an event that was scheduled for Charlie Kirk. So there you go. That's our perspective and I'm going to stand by it. Let's keep it rolling. >> Candace has suggested the Utah Valley University event was unusual and its details suggested a quote inside job. >> It was unusual. That's a fact. And you can quote me on that because I worked for Turning Point USA and I went on every uh tour, every tour since 2019. And typically those events are decided at least the semester before. This came together very quickly. It is unusual and I don't know why you think that you are going to be able to disprove that notion when I have the emails to support that claim. Let's keep it rolling. She has claimed that foreign aircraft have followed Erica Kirk around the country and that Turning Point has lied about this happening. >> Definitely never said Turning Point lied because you never responded. So that doesn't actually make any sense. And this is why it's not good to have lawyers write things out because sometimes they're not so detail oriented. Uh what we did was we showed at first that when I plotted these strange Egyptian jets that they were following Charlie and that was a concern because I wondered if they were tracking Charlie. We then obviously realized that they were tracking TPUSA faith events and that many more times uh they were following and perhaps tracking Erica. You should be concerned about that. We find it odd that rather than being concerned or trying to get answers to why a foreign military jet would be on the ground during a time when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, you're upset with us for asking questions about these jets. Let's keep rolling. >> She has accused us of lying about Charlie wanting Erica to take over for him if he died. >> Never happened. That is not a quotation. That is just them saying that. Uh so let's keep rolling. >> She has suggested Charlie's security team intentionally denied him first aid after the shooting to ensure that he died. >> When you say suggested, it means that they are interpreting my words. What I said is another fact. They did not issue him first aid when he fell down. There was nobody who pulled out um any gauze and tried to stop the bleeding. and they've admitted to that. In a sitdown with Shawn Ryan, Brian Harpole said it was because of the severity of the injury. I'm sorry again that we noticed something that stood out as unusual uh given the expertise and the amount of money that he was paying that uh supposed to be uh an elite team. Let's keep rolling. >> She has raised suspicions about the head of our technical team because he took an SD card out of a camera. She has spread absurd claims that Tyler Ber, who we just had on the show, sexually abuses male interns. >> Okay, so yes, the SD card thing is unbelievably suspicious. It's not something that you would do. Neither would you just run up onto a grassy null and record yourself. Again, these are unusual actions. And rather than trying to pretend like it's normal to record a selfie video of yourself and to prematurely announce that somebody is dead, maybe you should answer why all of that took place because you guys told lies about verifiable lies about why that took place. Because don't forget, Andrew Kovette sat next to you and said it was because people were stealing. People were stealing. you probably would want to grab the very expensive cameras and not the SD card for an event that was being livereamed. Regarding Tyler Ber, I'm so glad we're going to do this live streamed because I'm happy to present to you the exact name of the intern. And I didn't say that he abused him. I didn't say it was not consensual. I said that he likes younger boys. I don't mean like younger as in they're not of the legal age. I'm just saying they're a lot younger than him. And yeah, I can give you the exact name of the intern that he hooked up with. That person was not at Turning Point USA. Uh, but I can also give you more than that as well as people that are currently um working for Turning Point USA who said that Tyler Boyer and these are young men tried to hook up with them after um uh some events. So, I'm glad we're going to live stream that. Keep going. She has suggested that TPUSA faith affiliated pastors like theologian Frank Turk, who we'll have on in a moment, and pastor Rob McCoy, are part of a military quote infiltration of Turning Point, either because they are veterans or because they have family members who are. >> Yeah. So, I do believe the Calvary Chapel uh their history with Chuck Smith, the evidence that it was a militant CIA effort to infiltrate the Christian faith uh and to tie the Christian faith to the political ideology of Zionism. I think there's a lot of evidence for that and I'm happy to discuss that in a broader debate. I do think that things at Turning Point USA uh became a bit problematic when you started to, I would say, almost hijack genuine Christian faith and sort of roll it into this idea that you must support Israel in order to be a Christian. that's kind of floating into more opinion, but I think well backed by the facts of the founding of the Calvary Chapel Church during uh the decade of the 60s where the CIA was really just spiking the ball on Christians in general. Let's keep going. Even if not everyone has been named specifically though, Candace has effectively tarred everyone here with complicity in Charlie's death by repeatedly saying he was quote betrayed by quote everyone. >> Sorry, that was a dream that I had. And it is also a a realization that it has been months people at Turning Point USA are in possession of text messages and the day before Charlie died in which he wrote out to you and not just to people that work at Turning Point USA but also security guards that he thought that they were going to kill him tomorrow explicitly. I find it highly unusual uh that you wouldn't share that information at all or that you would sit by and be quiet or at some some points attack people that are trying to explore who they is because I don't think anybody believes that Charlie thought that a trans furry kid who had never been on UVU's campus was going to kill him tomorrow. And your silence during moments when people are lying, like Josh Hammer when he said, "Hey, this never happened. Charlie never blinked on Israel." Makes you all look very, very suspicious. Lies are only necessary. Okay. When you are covering something and if you are covering the truth, you are betraying Charlie. So, I stand by that. Let's keep going. She has said Charlie's murder quote had to be approved by Charlie's friends and then suggested those friends might have her murdered too for quote knowing the truth. So you notice that's a little that's like a snopes tactic when he says the quote it's actually not a full quotation. I never said that obviously in the context that he put it in uh that Charlie's friends quote had to know he was going to be murdered. that did I say the sentence had to know he was going to be murdered perhaps but we're going to need to hear the full sentence because you're trying to context it in a way that is just um just untrue and I don't think it's necessary if you're willing to have a conversation that you need to lie about anything that I've said people have watched the show they know exactly what I've said and I I tend to stand by what I've said and I do stand by everything that I've said keep going >> she has made claims of financial impropriy and fraud at turning point adding up into the millions of dollars which again is not true. Charlie made sure the organization was audited by a third party every year. He personally reviewed and he signed off on every expense report and literally every single bill paid by the organization down to a single United States dollar. We have never missed a 990 deadline. >> Okay. So immorality like financial impropriy does not necessarily mean that you committed true financial fraud. There's definitely financial impropriety at the company. I would say that if you are representing yourself as a charity and what you're actually doing is evaporating millions of dollars into various LLC's uh that have your name on it. That would be financial impropriety, right? Like you could say, "I'm a contractor. I'm this LLC. I'm that LLC. I'm not doing anything illegal, but it's it's inappropriate. It's improper. Um, most people are not able to read those forms and won't understand what's happening to the the $80 million. And I think that those questions are of course valid and that you guys should have no issues answering them. Um, I am struck by the fact that you're still trying to conflate an annual audit with Charlie's explicit request to put together a Doge department 7 days before he died. These are not the same. You know, they're not the same. I know they're not the same. Okay, everyone knows that Doge is not the same as the audits that are required for 501c3s, um, conducting an internal audit. And having you still misrepresent that makes us uncomfortable. address the Doge. That's got nothing to do with anything other than Charlie, right? Charlie felt that this needed to happen and inside sources at your own company say it was because he didn't know where the money was coming from or how quickly and where exactly the money was being evaporated to. That passes the vibe check in terms of what Doge is about because of course Charlie could not have been establishing Doge for the last 5 years because that's a very new concept as of 2025. Something that Trump put into place with Elon Musk and Vic Ramos Swami, right? So yeah, you're still being dishonest, but carry on. >> Candace has made other stranger allegations involving French paratroopers in maroon shirts. uh Egyptian Air Force planes flying out of Provo, Utah, and potential underground assassins traveling through unseen tunnels. At this at one point in early November, she started wildly throwing suspicion on members of Utah Valley's soccer team for wearing hoodies. I could go on. There is always something new coming up and none of it ever pans out because from the start, there has been nothing there. Okay. So, no, no matter how many times you keep pretending there's nothing there with the Egyptian planes, the whole internet understands that there's something there with the Egyptian planes, especially because you keep pretending like it's not weird. Like, you're just like, "It's not weird. No, this is normal. It's totally fine that these Egyptian planes uh and also, by the way, today it broke that like the Saudi king was this plane at some point, 2023. We'll get to that later." And you guys are like, "This is totally normal. This is just what happens at UVU. People just lay over into Wilmington, do things. It's It's just so foolish. You guys have got to stop the gaslighting if you think your organization is going to survive. I mean, some of that stuff is just untrue. Saying that I went after somebody for wearing a green hoodie is not true at all. We never even covered the green hoodie people on this show. I shared a picture when somebody asked for a picture because they were trying to investigate and identify everyone who was there, which is valid. And the person wearing the green hoodie was not even upset about it. He responded. So that has nothing to do with me whatsoever. And by the way, it would probably feel better to the public if you guys were the ones that were asking questions about who was there on that day. I completely stand by what I said about the people that are wearing maroon shirts. They are going to I will guarantee you represent a military unit somewhere. I'm very close to figuring out exactly which military unit that was. Again, trying to gaslight us and pretend we're conspiracy theorists or like that's stupid. Uh, not a good long-term strategy for Turning Point USA. Carry on. >> The attacks and allegations from Candace are either lies or they are innuendos thrown around with a total reckless disregard for the truth so that Candace can manipulate and string along an audience of people who don't realize they are being played. Instead of being able to grieve properly after one of the most heinous murders in American history, a murder many of us had to witness, my friends have had to endure harassment from people who have gotten whipped up by what Candace is saying. In fact, I would say we have suffered more harassment from these people than we have from Antifa supporters who overtly celebrate Charlie's murder. And just like a lot of those Antifa members, many of these people take this delight in how gross and unpleasant they can be. What our friends have had to endure is not funny and it's not insignificant. It is evil. I have seen it. >> Okay. Conflating people that are trying to figure out who murdered Charlie Kirk with like Antifa is actually objectively funny. That's an unforced error. They should not have included that in the statement. Somebody in that room was like, "Should we say that? Should we not?" And somebody said, "No, we shouldn't say that." and then you somebody else in the room said no we should let's keep it in that second person was wrong that should have been struck from the statement. It's very silly. Okay, it's very silly to attack your own audiences who are concerned and your own donors who are concerned and say you're Antifa if you don't accept this absurd fed slop. If you're not going to drink the fed slop, then you are Antifa. Just not a good idea whatsoever. Okay, that is not what's happening here. You are not the victim. Charlie is actually he's dead. And to pretend like you are too agrieved to be able to answer the questions makes entirely no sense. Obviously, if you were actually under a real amount of stress, if you actually were deeply upset that people had you on a list of suspects or thought that you were suspicious, you would just clarify things instantly, immediately. It's so easy. It's free. If someone said, "Kenneth, what were you doing when Charlie Kirk was shot?" I'd be like, I was sitting down at my table prepping my show. Like, the question doesn't offend me because I had nothing to do with Charlie dying. Okay, this is a psychological technique that is failing. It is failing for you. And you're upset because you thought that with time, with the passage of time, people would let the story go and they didn't. And these reasons that he's about to list for why they didn't respond and answer any questions are beyond ridiculous. Let's take a listen. For months, we have received hundreds, thousands, I suspect, emails and calls asking us to respond. >> People have wanted us >> to invite Candace on the show. But for a long time, our approach was to say nothing. We did that for several reasons. First, we've first, we thought that her prearications were so absurd that nobody would believe them. we shouldn't have to answer questions about secret tunnels or Egyptian Air Force planes. That sort of thing is just it's beneath contempt to respond to. The second reason we've said so little though is because there's a good rule of thumb which Charlie followed. Do not feed the trolls. Focus on the mission. Reviving America, uplifting young people, making heaven crowded. Don't give air to people who want to tear you down. And so Discord. Lastly, we didn't respond because Charlie always viewed Candace as a friend and we were holding out hope that she would return that friendship and stop what she was doing. Okay, so the first thing he says there is we didn't respond because it's beneath us. Like that's just not the right. I mean that is an elitist attitude. It is beneath us to respond to the very people who showed up in scores because they were so moved by Charlie's assassination that they all poured into the Staples Center, right, and poured their tears out and made videos and donated. It is beneath us to not to then respond to questions that you have that are meaningful because we just think it's so stupid that you would suggest that the feds are involved in an assassination. That's never happened in American history. What? What? So that's that's a ridiculous thing. The second thing he says there is Charlie always said, "Don't feed the trolls." Well, that flies into the face of what he says thereafter where he says Candace and Charlie were friends. So I'm not a troll. Okay? I'm not a troll. I'm not trolling. I'm not someone who's hated Turning Point and wanted Turning Point to fail. I'm actually the exact opposite of that. And that's why the people believe in me and they trust me because they feel that I'm the only one that's acting right in the situation. Who wouldn't want to have every stone unturned if they cared about somebody? Who wouldn't want to have every question answered? Who wouldn't be immediately suspicious to see Egyptian military jets? Who wouldn't go, "Why the hell were these jets around Turning Point way before years before Charlie's assassination? Who is on these jets?" Instead, you're mentioning the Egyptian planes for the fourth time. So, I would like to recommit everybody that is watching this to figuring out what the hell is going on with these Egyptian planes because they're nervous about them. Okay, they're mentioned so many times they're trying to give the vibe that this is so crazy. No, they are fearful. The Egyptian planes hold the key and that is obvious even in Blake Nef's statement. But yeah, I am not a troll. Okay? And people followed what felt to them as authenticity and it was not you. They were not getting that from Charlie's closest friends. Why is that? They weren't getting that from Charlie's most loved pastors. Why is that? Don't blame me for the bad energy that you exuded. Okay? Don't blame me for the fact that you didn't pass the gut check with the public. That's why you're doing this. Okay? That is why you are doing this because your strategy failed. In fact, this is your old school turning point before they put on the faith pants. This is your old school turning point lesson and what the free markets are. The free markets saw what you were offering. All right. And they saw what what I was offering. You were offering we should accept this and move on. And I was saying we need to investigate this. And the free markets said no to Turning Point USA. Anyways, um let him let him take this away in terms of what he thought I guess was the best way to be a friend to Charlie Kirk. What did he think was the best way for them to show that they were friends with Charlie Kirk? Keep going, Blake. >> But a week from now, it's going to be 3 months since Charlie's murder. Candace has not changed her behavior. She has continued to spread falsehoods about Charlie's friends, and she continues to concoct new ones about new people. She's using these falsehoods to enrich herself while dividing the conservative movement at an absolutely critical time for this country. I have to applaud that audacity. I have to applaud it. You do. You have to applaud it. These Excuse me here, but like I'm trying not to swear. [laughter] These men, okay, this this company, these amazing lads over here have the audacity to accuse me of enriching myself when they were out there selling t-shirts. Okay. of what Charlie died in to enrich themselves. Were they giving those t-shirts away for free at the staple centers? No, they were selling kit of what Charlie died in to the tune of 80 million plus dollars that they made in the first three weeks. Okay? They made their entire budget for the year in the first couple of weeks following Charlie's assassination. And they are attacking me with zero proof that I made a single dollar off of Charlie's assassination. I did not sell a cup. I did not sell a mug, okay? All I did was do what I already do for a living, okay? I podcast and I investigate things. I investigate things that I feel passionate about. Sometimes it's Camala's genealogy when she's saying she wants to be the president and things aren't making sense and I sense that she is lying. Sometimes it's Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds when they try to destroy a man's life who's not even on my quote unquote political team. Sometimes it's Breijgit and why we are colluding uh with nations to cover the obvious fact that Breijgit was born a male. And this time it's personal and it's you. Do you want to know what all of these investigations have in common? liars who lie and think that the public is too stupid to see through their lies. That is how we got into this. Okay? I did not sell anything. You did that. You guys did that. You guys continued to do that. You guys wanted to just move on and to grift off of Charlie's legacy. I dedicated myself to figuring out who murdered him. So anyways, uh he does get to the point here, which is that they are willing to finally address things headon. So I will let Blake say that. And far too often we here have heard from ordinary people, people who loved Charlie and who Charlie loved so much in return. These people have expressed the worry that we are staying silent out of cowardice or as some sort of tacit admission that some of the attacks are true. Neither is the case. Our silence has never been and it will never be equal to complacency or approval. Still, we decided Charlie would not allow this to go on. Charlie was not a coward. Charlie was a fighter. Charlie would not allow someone to spread lies about the people closest to him with impunity. And he would feel ashamed if other people were stepping up to defend his friends while he never did so himself. Candace has mentioned several times that the ball is in our court. So, here's what is going to happen in the near future. There will be a live stream here in Phoenix where we address in a clear and comprehensive way the claims and accusations, the false accusations that have been made against Charlie's family, friends, and the people here at Turning Point. We plan to walk through everything carefully and thoroughly. If Candace is available, we would sincerely welcome her participation in that live stream at our studio here in Phoenix. At this point, we believe the ball is back in her court. Our motivation for doing this is not out of any obligation to Candace. It is about honoring Charlie. We feel a deep responsibility to protect his legacy, his work, and the truth. I feel that. I owe Charlie everything in my life. it. I feel it immensely and that is why we feel compelled to speak clearly and openly now. We'll have more on this in the near future. Yay! Finally, you didn't have to get through all that shade that you were throwing me to get to the point that you were willing to answer questions. Okay? Because that's what Charlie did for a living. How could you guys think that you were just going to continue on and pretend like people asking meaningful questions was somehow an attack? That's what he did for a living. He stood up on college campuses and he debated people and he sat there principally and debated people because he felt that he had the moral high ground. Okay? And that if those people disagreed with him, he could bring them over to his side. You guys have been actually acting and embodying the opposite of Charlie Kirk's spirit. Okay? And you did it even in this. It was like one big character assassination. Uh and it wasn't to me. That's what you guys don't understand. You're not attacking me. You are attacking millions of people around the world who watched a man, an innocent man be publicly executed and then watched what felt very much like the state collude to feed us absolute horseshit about what took place on that day. Okay. 306 bullets do not get stopped by human necks because they eat healthy. They don't. And yes, you guys are a part of that apparatus of people who made us feel and you've expressed it here like you were too good to answer questions. We are already said, I got on stage and I told you that I'm Charlie's pastor. I told you I'm his best friend. I told you you guys have even allowed people to inject themselves into his legacy that Charlie didn't even like. And we're supposed to believe you're doing this because you're his friend, because you're committed to truth. You sat there and allowed the very people who pressured Charlie towards the end of his life to try to claim his whole legacy and you're pretending we are the ones that are immoral. You're upset because you got caught lying. You're upset because you got caught with your pants down. But you cannot blame me for that. Okay? These were your own errors. These were your own lies. And I was not going for a single second to let up on the pressure. In fact, I have been so strategic that I have been holding on to certain information hoping that you would acquies to have a public conversation because I want to look you in the eye and I want to challenge you to lie to me because I care deeply about what happened to Charlie on that day. I don't think we're getting the truth. And I do believe that because you are not forthcoming about the information that you have about Charlie texting you guys and saying that he thought he was going to be assassinated that very next day. Okay. The day that he died, Charlie knew that he thinks he was going to be killed tomorrow. And you guys are sitting on that information. So, I'm the right person. Yeah. I'm the right person to sit across from you and to ask you questions, right? Some things that you told me on that day, they're not adding up. I think the entire world would like to see this discussion. I think you can do it in Charlie's honor. I'll sit there. You pick a place and time. We could have done this today, by the way. You didn't have to read all that. Okay? We all have tech. We could have done a live stream. We could schedule a live stream. We can raise money for Turning Point USA. If you promise to answer every question that I have, okay? And it's not hard. It's it's not difficult if you are telling the truth to answer questions. when you are emoting so much and you're upset at the inquiry and you're playing this game like you're David Hog and why I survived Parkland so how dare you question my authority on anything not a good long-term strategy it's not going to be effective long term and I think you're learning that lesson because three months on with the entire mainstream media on your side and attacking me which you guys didn't even stand up for me when you knew they were lying about me you stayed mom that in and of itself. You should be ashamed of. You should be ashamed to sit across from people who did everything they could to stop Charlie's rise, breaking bread with them and refusing to have a conversation with me. And you know that I cared about Charlie. Have you no shame? We're going to find out. You can pick the place. You can pick the time. I say we do it tomorrow. We don't need to plan for this. We don't need lawyers in between us. Lawyer statements. It's not how I roll. Okay? I don't care about any of I wanted to be authentic. Like I said, you can take the money. You can we can raise money live for this conversation. That is how badly the world is demanding it. So I accept it with whistles and bells. Everything I fully accept. I say, "Let's do it tomorrow. Let's do it tomorrow." And my only ground rule is no assassinations. Okay? No assassinations. No funny business. You can't pretend you're going to do it and then Candace died a mysterious accident. Okay? We'll be right back after a quick break. All right, you guys. This holiday season, you can express your love with a very special gift of premium stakes from Riverbend Ranch. Their holiday bundles are only available while supplies last, and they are going to go fast. You can order your holiday gifts today at riverbendranch.com. 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The United States Pentagon, in case you don't know, is the complex that houses our Department of Defense. It's a massive complex, right? There is arguably no more relevant building to communicating to the American people about foreign threats. That's what they do. Is quite literally the nerve center for the United States Armed Forces. It's headquarters for the Army, the Navy, and the Air Force. And recently, because the American government wants the world to no longer take us seriously as a nation or something, they decided to undergo a quote unquote press corps makeover ostensibly to let in new independent, more trusted journalists. And some of them are okay. James O'Keefe obviously formerly of Project Veraritoss. He's very much trusted. Uh Matt Gates, I like him very much. But some of the people that they let in are almost the exact opposite of trustworthy and are just radically pro- Zionist. like they will lie, steal, cheat, and figuratively murder or figure, I guess, literally allow Israel to murder without asking any questions. And so that's why they're being let in. Most notably, obviously, Laura Loomer. She's totally nutty. And I don't say that in a way of like I'm just is an ad hom attack. I mean like she has psychotic issues. uh allowing Laura Loomer into a national defense complex is actually sort of just an indication to just how committed they are to laundering the reputations of anyone as long as they say I support Israel because Laura Loomer is quite literally so deranged that she once handcuffed hers herself to the Twitter headquarters because they banned her account. Okay, that's like and she wore yellow star of David. When I met her, she was crying tears because they took away her check mark. She deeply deeply cares about social media in a way that is just unhinged. Okay. Now, she is apparently not allowed to own a gun because of various psychotic events that required her hospitalization. But due to her commitment to Zionism, which in a Zionist's defense seems like a psychopathology is a prerequisite, the media is now trying to mainstream her and make us think that she's like a serious person. So, our government, the Pentagon, decide to credential her at this time. She's a part of the new press corps that we can trust. Laura has probably been the uh one of the more prominent gaslighters when it comes to Charlie Kirk's assassination. Uh she hated Charlie when he was alive and now wants everyone to honor him by not proddding the narrative surrounding his death. Literally a couple of weeks before he died, she called Charlie uh a charlatan, a political opportunist, that he wasn't proTrump simply because he hosted Dave Smith, who was anti-Zionist. He is also Jewish, for a debate with Josh Hammer, who's a radical Zionist like herself, at one of his events. Charlie believed in free speech and he believed in debate. And so that was her reason for attacking him. Briefly showing you this tweet from her. uh not even worth reading in its entirety, but this is the tweet that she sent out and then Charlie died a couple of weeks later and she completely switched and now thinks that she's guarding his leg legacy. Anyways, she was beside herself with Glee this morning sharing news that another Zionist influencer named Cam Higgby, who has also now been credentialed by the Pentagon, uh, decided to ask the perhaps billion-dollar question to the Pentagon's press secretary, young woman named Kingsley Wilson, about the foreign angle of Charlie's assassination. Now, um I obviously reported that the French Foreign Legion were apparently on the ground on the day of Charlie Kirk's assassination. So, here is Cam Higgby, who I guess is playing dress up as a reporter, asking the Pentagon's press secretary, a question about the most viral story for about a week uh pertaining to France's participation in the biggest political assassination that has taken place since JFK. I would say I think that's fair. Here's our new press corps, guys. Take a listen to Actually, first let's focus in on Cam Higgby's question. The way he asks it is, I think, worthy of highlighting. Take a listen. >> Absolutely. I'm Kingsley Wilson. I'm the press secretary here at the Pentagon. We're in the Pentagon briefing room. Um, and it's been fantastic. Get to come to the Pentagon every day. And now you all do as well. >> Yeah. So, this is my first question, and don't laugh. Does the DO have any evidence at all of a French military plot to assassinate Candace Owens? >> Okay, here's my first question. Don't laugh. It's like two girls getting their nails done. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let me ask Let me We're like a sleepover. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I have something to tell you. Don't laugh. Don't laugh. Don't laugh. Is this supposed Like, is this supposed to make us think that this is not propaganda? Are we going this is cool? Is this the new strategy? All the cool kids don't even ask the feds questions. All the cool kids just get in line and do whatever they say. All the cool kids just think it's beyond crazy to consider that the state would assassinate people even though that's what we do. That's the CIA does. We just murder people around the world. But that's crazy talk. And so they're going to make it it's like too cool to even answer. Take it away, Kingsley. >> That is an interesting question. Um not that I'm aware of. Uh but you know, interesting question. I can try to find out and maybe let you know. Uh I think that might be a little more of a law enforcement matter though. >> No, I I think actually the Department of Defense this would be a good matter for you guys to take up of whether or not um uh foreign governments are plotting assassinations of American citizens. Feels like this might be the right department to me and I'm not laughing. So when I say to you guys um when I stress to you guys that you should not be signing up for war, you should not be signing up for the military, uh you should not get involved in this obvious war that they are planning that's coming soon. This exact moment between these two people is what I'm referring to. It's like a rare glimpse into the elitist perspective of our government. Like our job I guess is to work and to deposit money so that they can build themselves complexes like the Pentagon which is a 6.5 million square foot residence office building. Okay. It is the second largest office building in the world. 6.5 million square feet. And they built it with our money so that we could have some sort of an illusion of being protected by our government. like we could actually call them and say, "Hey, I have very specific information and accounts that you can trace because the president played of France allegedly paid $1.5 million for my assassination." And by the way, I have evidence they had French foreign legion on the ground day that Charlie got assassinated. They're not going to respond to that, right? That's all supposed to be an illusion. when it comes down to it, getting that credible evidence uh after a televised event, essentially a televised event of a public execution. Lol. Get back to work, slaves. We're trying not to laugh at you questioning whether or not a 30 odd stick can be magically stopped by a human neck. How dare you ask any questions or speak to us about states coordinating assassinations? And are you guys still talking about the Epstein files? That's the that's that's the attitude. They think this is good PR. Like the Zionist accounts are sharing this and they're going, "Lol, I don't know that the American government has ever been more I don't know if they've ever been more out of touch with the American people than to see this as a they're like, "Send it around the press." Haha. The Pentagon is laughing at foreign assassination. They don't take anything seriously. Yeah, we just watched uh Trump get shot at um and his ear clipped. We just watched another person try to assassinate Trump on the golf field and then we watched Charlie Kirk die publicly. But lol, I'll get back to you. We'll get back to you. That's not what we're here for. Get to work, slaves. Again, there is no left or right. It's just the elites. It's the media apparatus that protects those elites and then the rest of us who are supposed to be slaves. Okay? The elites own everything. They own everyone. And if somebody actually breaks free, right? If they have an individual in the matrix who creates something that they cannot control or buy, then there are only a couple of options for that individual. Okay? The state responds and they say, "We will destroy you reputationally. We will call you crazy, go after reputation, make up allegations against you. We will bankrupt you. We will imprison you or we will kill you." That's the reality of the world that we live in. Okay? We don't live in a meritocracy. It's not a free nation. you ha they have to be able to control you. And the timing of me speaking about this is so perfect because this article appeared in Fortune yesterday. This is the headline inside the economics of Candace Owens's media empire and the Mcronone lawsuit threatening to unravel it. They went with this like they're proud of this. Like a lawsuit can unravel what they're calling an empire is actually uh just a mom from home who got fired and rejected from literally nations. They tried to destroy me last year. They took everything. They just tried to destroy my reputation, tried to break my friendships, and I survived, okay? And that angers them. And so this article is written with such elitism, the hope that the state will step in and just break it, just bankrupt it. This is an actual quotation. The lawsuit, it read, "The lawsuit is set to test whether the controversy as currency that made Owens rich and gave her a media brand that reaches tens of millions of people can survive what experts say will be an immensely costly legal battle." Yeah, we're going to bankrupt Candace Owens. That is our intent. The experts are saying that we can do it because we can't control her. She wouldn't sell out, not to the military complex that we live in, not to big companies, not to corporations. She wouldn't turn the eye uh when Palestinians were being genocided by Israel. And we have no other options. Our we're running out of options here. So, we've got to kill her or we've got to bankrupt her. And we're saying we're signaling that we're going to bankrupt her. That's how this thing works. We're telling the truth, by the way. That's why I'm being sued. And they're not lying. Thus far in the Breijit Mcronone lawsuit, we have paid over a quarter of a million dollars and we haven't even had our first day in court. Okay, that's the matrix. That is the matrix. And I will again assert to these people, I will never bow the knee to evil. I will never bow uh uh the knee to bend the knee rather to people that harm children. You you will never see me bend the knee to that ever. bankrupt me if that is what makes you feel good because at the end of the day it feels like we are existing in a time where you are only catalyzing your own demise like it's people have never been more awake and more in tune and the focus on Charlie Kirk's assassination proves that you you couldn't make that go away speaking of which Charlie Kirk whose death is exposing this matrix in ways that I do not even think that we can fully comprehend in this moment just yet we asked the question and we can't find the answer as to where Rajit Mcronone was on the dates of the Egyptian plane was flying around America just like a six-day gap in Braz and now of course especially as we have learned about Delaware and the DuPont French connection and the French Foreign Legion non-answer that we're getting just gaslighting that we are getting it feels like an even more relevant and rational question to be asking and somehow made even more interesting now that we know or that we've learned and thanks to the internet sloo and the YouTubers that put this together that an hour and a half before Charlie Kirk was assassinated in Utah, Donald Trump and Emanuel Mcronone had a phone call that has been recorded in Emanuel Mcronone's public calendar which has been released. You can see um that he had the phone call with Donald Trump at 6 uh sorry this would be 6:45 obviously p.m. in French time. That's 10:45 a.m. in Utah time. 10:45 a.m. Utah time is when they had this phone call. And look, that could be nothing. There's a lot going on in the world, obviously. Uh, and we also know that there's been a lot of discussion about Ukraine, and there's a million reasons that Emanuel Mcronone and him could have had that poorly timed phone call. But it would be great if a press member could not lol and say, "What was the nature of the phone call just so that we know, right? These are questions I think it's fair for us to ask with everything that's coming up and the lack of a true response that we're getting from anyone um that has the means to answer these questions. Anyways, you guys, uh we're almost at overtime here, but in other assassination news, I wanted to mention to you that The Game, who is a hip-hop rapper, is releasing an album, and he has a song on his track list in this upcoming album that's entitled The Assassination of Candace Owens. I'm having like the best year ever or something. I don't know. [gasps] Why? Why? Why the game? Why is it got to be song number 13? What's going on? This better not be predictive programming. Okay, we know how Hollywood gets down. Okay, we're reading your books. Anyways, he was asked this question, this exact question. Why? And he gave him an answer. And here's what the game had to say. >> So, you got this new mixtape dropping and then there's this like one track called the assassination of Candace Owens. >> Yeah. >> Why that title? >> Um cuz I think recently I've been seeing like uh conspiracy theories and you know about Candace Owens um from herself uh self admitted um she feels like people were conspiring her. So what it was is more so an assassination of the character. So I just use that because it was like current news but it's not the song is not about camp you know. >> Oh okay. So it's just a little bit deeper than Okay. >> Yeah. I'm a rapper. We use metaphors, you know. >> Okay. But aren't you I mean, are you worried about Candace coming for you about this? I mean >> uh Yeah. No, I'm not there. Nah, I'm not worried about Candace. But then again, you got to hear the song. >> Okay. So, she'll understand if she hears the song. Maybe. >> I mean, the thing is she said that people were trying to assassinate her. So, all I did was say it too. You know what I'm saying? So, again, the song is not about her. But Candace Owens, man, she real smart, really intelligent uh woman. Well, if she comes for me, I mean, you know, it is what it is. >> It is what it is. There's beef in these streets, okay? There's beef in these streets. And you better be scared because maybe I am coming for you, okay? I could be coming for you. I might drop a whole album. I might drop a whole mixtape, too. Okay. Anyways, I think it is a form of flattery. Obviously, I'm friends with Yay. Um, and he makes music and they do use a lot of metaphors, so I'm not offended by this. Do I love the timing? Could I get a break for six months maybe and not have that title be there? Sure. But I'm totally okay with this. I think it's kind of cool. I actually kind of think it's cool. I hope the song lyrics are cool and it's not a diss track and it's not going to be like Eminem crying about me on a whole album. 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And if we actually studied where it all came from, which is incredibly evil indoctrination, quite literally doctrines of evil, which is guiding that movement, um, uh, it's guiding that theology rather. I spoke about it more at length with Russell Brandon uh on his show. So that should be coming out soon. But we have to become educated about where it stems from. There's less of them, but they have a lot of power and they have a lot of a lot of influence and they have, you know, blackmailed people that are in powerful positions. There's definitively more of us. That's why they want to kill us. Obviously, that's why they want to drug us and keep us dumb is because the numbers are not on their side. Um so we have to make sure it's not just the numbers, but also that the ideology is not on their side. the answer to people that want less families, not because uh they want you to have to be more efficient and to climb the corporate ladder. They just want less of you. There needs to be less slaves if you want to maintain control and you don't want the risk of a revolution uh to come down upon you. That's the that's the true answer is that that's why they promote all of these things. That's why they want people to have less children um is because they want to increase their numbers while decreasing ours. And so we need to be radical about not also giving our children to the system. Uh if you can and you can you absolutely can uh homeschool your children. Pull them out of the system. Don't send your kids to college. Usery is another one of their tactics. Don't rack up debt. I made that mistake. Uh and learned nothing. It's just more time for them to indoctrinate your children. Be bold in changing the system. Be radical in your response of taking ownership over your own home. That's what I would say in response to that. Uh goodness wins. Goodness wins. In truth, Christ has already won. More comments from today. Merryill writes, "Careful, Candace. They may be betting that you won't be available for a sitdown the next few weeks. Also, watch your sources. Sometimes the feds plant sources sources with almost good information in order to humiliate their target later." Yes. Uh I'm very aware of that and we are very cautious about our sources and sometimes we that has happened where and we haven't gone fortunately we haven't made a public mistake but we'll keep going and then I'll be like I think this is good and then Mark will be like I don't know about this or Skyler be like I don't know about this and that is what takes us so much time every day is we're a small team but we're we're constantly having to debate ourselves before we put something out. So thank you for that. Bry writes they didn't answer any of your questions. They only brought up speculations that you made throughout the series. I hope you don't go there in person for your own safety. It is so sad that we have reached a time where you guys are legitimately uh concerned about my safety. And I get that. I get that. I feel like there is definitely something military that happened when Charlie got assassinated. And I think our lack of comfort comes from perhaps their refusal to acknowledge that. I think they their response is what makes you guys feel fearful. But truly, I don't think Turning Point USA is so silly uh and stupid that they would coordinate another [laughter] coordinate an assassination um on their campus and then think they're going to be like that just happened. I don't it was all weird. She ate a bad sandwich or something. But it is sad. It really is a a marker of a times that we live in that you guys truly feel this way. Angie Lynn writes, "Ta will lie about everything as they have been doing. Do not trust this for one second. you and your family safety, money, everything is compromised. Team Candace Christ is king. Uh James Gray writes, "The TPUSA response seemed fake, calculated, scared. That guy's body language was just completely off and he was literally speaking from a script." Yeah, he's speaking from a script. But I will say the thing that felt genuine was at the very end when he said, "I owe everything to I owe everything to Charlie." That's when he went off script. And I I don't know that they remember or know how to be authentic like that anymore. They're going to find out. uh because I'm very authentic and us having a face tof face I think it's the best way to answer this. Look, I came from Turning Point USA. So you guys know that me doing this it there's there's an element of heartache. You don't go into an organization and help to build it up because you one day hope that uh the founder of it is going to be assassinated so that you can destroy it. The the very thing that you helped to build in a very big way. You know, I contributed greatly to Turning Point USA's success and they they would never deny that. And so it's sad. It is really sad to see the sort of elitist direction that they're taking in you. Oh, we thought you guys would be smarter than to listen to her. Oh, you guys are Antifa. What is that? It's such crap. James Gray writes, uh, sorry, I already read that one. Tara writes, "Licensed psychotherapist here. This is obviously an attempt to psychologically manipulate and a terrible one at that. I would gladly put my license on the line at this point to help in even the smallest of ways. Holding you and your family in prayer, Candace, keep up the prayers. Keep up the prayers. Britney Watson writes, "Canis, you are not just going max, you are going scorched earth." And after watching Monday's episode when you said that you are not some basic BI, I was like, "Girl, take my money. Thank you for being the world's best crime fighting superhero." You know, I always think back to this interview that Kanye gave before I knew who he was. And I I always loved Kanye. I loved his music. I loved the code of his music, which is you have to believe in yourself because the whole world is going to tell you you can't. And as soon as you step into the arena and you think you've won and you start having any modum of success, the pressure actually only levels up. And people that you thought that you would be allies with, you find to be your enemies. Like that's kind of the coded message of Kanye's music. But there's this interview that he gives where he says uh somebody I don't know what they asked him, but he responds and he says, you know, if you're a fan of Kanye West, you're not a fan of Kanye West. You're actually a fan of yourself. uh you believe in yourself and you think that you can you can do something in this world. And I feel the same way. I think that the people who think that they're fans of mine, you're not fans of Candace. Uh you believe in yourself. You believe that we can actually change things and you believe that you should be able to fight for truth and you're not going to be influenced by people that are taking money to make videos and say things like there's that thing. There's that spark inside of you is kind of what I got when Kanye said that. It's not me. It's the spark that you see in me. It's the audacity to be yourself and to think your own thoughts and to keep going when the whole world tells you tells you no. So that's [snorts] how I feel. Candace go Max. I love that someone picked up that name as their username. Thanks for the honest investigations. The truth shall set us all free. Thanks for the USS Liberty episode as well. Uh to this day the best interview that we have ever given. Uh we were all you could feel a spiritual movement in this room when we interviewed Phil Turney of the USS Liberty. I'll never forget that interview. It transformed me. It was a major turning point in my life. And um I thank you guys more. I mean, I'm I'm so grateful to you guys and I hope you know that I start all of my prayers with gratitude because I started realizing that sometimes when you pray, you're you're asking for a lot, but if you start with gratitude of the things that you're thankful for, like, you know, you come to God and you're like, I would like I'm grateful for my health. I'm grateful for this. I'm grateful. By the time you get through all the things that you're grateful for, you're like, man, do I really want to lodge any complaints? It's a good way to to pray. And I always say that I am grateful for the people around the worl