Okay, everybody. Shabbat shalom. I just want to say Shabbat shalom to everybody back at home. Happy Hanukkah to our greatest friends and allies. And you know, this is a good time to mention that Israel does have a right to defend itself. Tucker Carlson is Adolf Hitler. And Tik Tok does need to be purchased by the MSAD. It's just how I'm feeling today. I am not different. Maybe you are different. Welcome back to Candace. >> [music] >> Okay, you guys are crazy. You guys are absolutely crazy. The amount of people who attacked me for sending out a tweet being like, "Hey, I'm good. I'm alive. We had a very productive conversation." And they were like, "She got the call. She got the call. She's betrayed us. She's doing something else. I can't believe it. This has all just been a show. Calm down. Okay. What do you think happened? Erica said, "Stop." And then I was frozen for four and a half four hours and and 30 minutes just like as I just put all of these talking points into my head. That is not what happens. I keep telling you guys, I am not governable. I am basically akin to Kanye West. I never felt more seen than when he tweeted a lot of years ago just fired by manager because I realized I can't be managed. That is me. That tweet right there. I was like, "Oh gosh, yes, Kanye, that I get this. Okay, [laughter] nobody is changing their mind anything. Well, how ridiculous would it have been if I'm doing all of this, investigating, asking all these questions, and then Erica Kirk offers to answer some of these questions, and I'm like, "No, I'm not going to go. I can't betray the people. I don't want any answers to the questions. I just want to ask them. No, this is the entire reason we are doing this. We've been looking at the situation going, why can't Turning Point USA just answer basic questions. And I can tell you guys that yesterday for 4 hours and 30 minutes, there were no rules. They said you could say you can ask us any question that you want, anything that's on your mind, which I appreciated. And some of you guys are thinking, who is they? Who is they? It's the Jews, obviously. Just kidding. It's Justin Strife. Justin Strife was in the room. Um, it was just Justin Strife and Erica. George joined me just for the beginning portion of the conversation because he had that thing going on that I told you on the 15th all day. He was in a conference. And then I brought my cousin Mia, you know, the one that has a really bad attitude. I just bring her there for vibes. I think it just confuses people. They're like, I don't I don't understand what's this person doing here. And the reality is she's like always just listening to Cardi B music. Uh, but she's my cousin and I always have her around. And so that was it. She was kind of sitting um a little bit away, but at the table it was just it was really just the four of us until George left. And I will be honest, I did not know what to expect going into the room. I did not know if they were going to be open. I didn't know what Erica's energy was going to be like, if it was going to be more of an argument, if there was going to be legal threats. You guys were telling me not to drink water, so I didn't drink water. Well, I brought my own water, but I didn't drink that water, too. It was a lot. There's a lot going on. Okay. And the conversation started with Justin Strife very sensibly saying, "What are we looking to accomplish here?" Like, "What is the actual aim of this conversation?" And he was pretty clear, and Erica was very clear that they were sort of most upset with what I obviously a bit of a fever pitch. when I tweeted that it was a god-forsaken company and people should not give money to it and I have to own that. That's aggressive. That is actually aggressive in the retrospect. I was very frustrated and I don't know. I just I I felt like we weren't getting any answers and there were so many lies and then I was getting attacked for asking all meaningful questions that was within their capacity to answer. And I've told you I I definitely my problem in life is that I can rise to anger very quickly. Uh I shared with them that I really felt like I was under attack for telling the truth from the very beginning like casually when I mentioned the Catholicism thing. Like what was that about? I was like look I say something in a tribute to him. Alex Clark and Andrew Kulvette then jump onto a podcast and they're doing that weird interview which is clearly aimed at me and they've teased the interview. was like aimed at me, but they never say my name. And that to me felt like it was the first uh I guess the first bit of mud that was slung, which it their answer for that was, hey, that was a really crazy time. There a new system had to be put into place and by no means did Erica give any person the authority to go out and say that the system thing was a lie. It kind of turned into this big thing. Uh whatever. Okay, that kind of obviously was not the meat of the reason that uh we wanted to sit down. I will say I was immediately refreshed by the fact that one of the first things that Erica did was she owned the lies. The lies or rather I guess they would cage it as miscommunications that were coming from various people at the company. Like look, this is a company with 650 people that are employed. Everybody at this time is exceedingly emotional and they are communicating and no matter what somebody says on Twitter, they assume that this communication has come down from management and that's not always a circumstance. But they owned right away which felt great that if you guys recall we Erica sat down with Glenn Beck. I actually missed this portion uh because I didn't get to watch the interview in its entirety and we were pulling clips because a lot was coming out very quickly. But there was a portion that was going around that was viral and it was Erica saying that she had Charlie's phone and that Charlie never texted anybody the night before saying that he thought that they were going to kill him. And that obviously reflected poorly on me because I was the one who said that he did in fact uh text multiple people the night before. And then I went on Jimmy Door on Friday, Jimmy Door show, and I clarified. I said, "Andrew Kovette told me specifically that he was one of the people that received this text message." So, I got that first person. I didn't get that from a source. I got that directly from Andrew Kovette. And then somebody who had access to Dan Flood's communications said that Dan Flood similarly received a text message. They owned that right away and explained. Erica said that she has Charlie's phone. She's looking at his eye messages. And it turns out that he like everybody else communicates on signal. He communicates on telegram and that those commun when she heard me say that they then went and looked and yes that what I said was true. Uh and received a message the night before and Dan Flood received a message the night before. Now they asked me if I had actually like a concrete a copy of what Dan Flood got the night before and I said no. Somebody told me what it said, which was almost exactly what Andrew said, which is they're going to kill me. Andrew did not know who they were, who they that he was referring to uh were, but they clarified that the message that Dan Flood received said the left is going to kill me. So, I can't confirm that one way or the other. I have to trust them on that because I did not see that concrete message. I was told that it said they. Now, obviously, we discussed the moment, and I'm laughing here because you Tik Tockers are actually out of control. You guys are going to be the reason that Israel gets Tik Tok because you guys are acting a fool all the time. And the videos were so hilarious of you guys mocking the Barry Weiss interview. It's great. It's good to laugh at ourselves. And Barry Weiss is always worth laughing at. But I was sort of like, hey, I felt name checked by the podcaster, Candace Owens, this obvious setup. and then asking me to stop. And it's interesting to hear Erica say that the reason she didn't ask me to stop in the beginning because she was she was actually learning things from the show. She was actually learning things and that I think she similarly felt that Barry Weiss was trying to create a moment. Obviously, it's who Barry Weiss is. It's the Zionist lobby. Uh she's trying to write wrong perceived wrongs because I'm against her side. That does not surprise me. That's kind of why Barry Weiss exists. That's the reason they put her at CBS is because she's just committed to uh stacking the audience with people that are going to present the pro-Israel cause and talk about anti-semitism and talk about like crime being on the rise. It's kind of an embarrassment, but I actually do accept that. And I should also clarify that Barry Weiss obviously uh picked those questions. They were not random. Like I told you, it wasn't like people were coming to the mic and it was an open mic and they didn't know what they were going to get. It was all very much planned by Barry, but Erica said that she knew the general idea like they were going to mention me and mention the conspiracies and but she was not given that specific the podcaster Candace Owens question. So, I think that's fair to clear that up. Now, I did not at all recant any of my suspicions and I I understand people disagree with me about particular people at Turning Point USA. I communicated what I communicated in front of the whole world. I uh my skin crawled after I spoke to Terrell Farnsworth, the person who took the cameras down. He lied to me several times. I explained to them, which felt good to have that direct communication, how Terrell lied multiple times and that I did not understand why he was there that day. They echoed what he said. They defended what he said that they were trying something new that day. That they typically live stream, which is what Terrell said. They typically live stream and I said every college event well they said well yeah they live stream the events that are tour stops but they don't live stream like the outside prove me wrong type events and that was something that was new and it required ter and I said even if that was all real if that was all true I still didn't feel good about the conversation that I had with Terl and I can't ignore my gut about the many little lies that he told I thought the video he recorded was weird I know he comes from a very powerful family I just I personally do not trust him And I obviously do not like the fact that I said, you know, Tyler Boyer lied about this thing and said came up with an excuse and said, "Well, Terrell was asked to take the camera down. That's the reason he said on Twitter because the police wanted him to take it down and secure the footage." And I said, "I know that's not true." And they said, "Well, after all of that, yeah, a after he took the cameras down, there was a police officer or or fed, whoever it was, that spoke to him and asked him to secure the footage." Well, that makes sense, but it's not a reason for why he took it down immediately. It makes sense that as you're investigating, you're going to say, "Who's got the footage? You know, let's lock it down." But it didn't make sense to me that Tyler Boyer uh lied about it. And I don't trust Tyler Ber, and that does not that is never going to change. Similarly with Rob McCoy, he makes my skin crawl. I can't explain it. This is a I look at him and he's a bad person, and nobody can make me feel one way or the other about that. I was surprised to learn uh and this is kind of gets into I guess us not knowing the inner workings at Turning Point USA that Rob McCoy actually does not work with Turning Point USA in any capacity whatsoever. And so him communicating as he has done like I'm the pastor, I'm this, I'm that. It's just not real. Like that is not real. And we should know that that's not real. And when he says that, call him out on that separately from Turning Point USA. I was operating under the assumption that he worked for Turning Point USA. And I said if obviously that's that's wrong. I I'm happy to correct that. But also, what were we to assume when he hit the stage at the memorial and said, "I'm America's pastor." And then had the Wikipedia updated and said, Well, I'm assuming he had it updated because who else would do that? That he started Turning Point USA Faith. So, I guess to be clear, we we were just wrong about that. And I will have a lot more to say about Rob McCoy and where I believe he fits into a lot of things. So, I'm not letting up on that. Now, one piece of this where I was I still don't understand it and the magic bullet. Okay, now we all recall what happened. I casually say on the show, "Hey, I saw the footage. There was no blood." And honestly, when I when I said it, I didn't process how big of a deal that was with the 30 six very quickly. What happens is Andrew Kovette whips up this this tweet about the what happened with the bullet and he said he had he wanted to address all the discussion that was being had about the online chatter. I'm obviously paraphrasing here. He says, "I apologize. It's going to get graphic, but he spoke with the surgeon. The bullet should have gone through. who the surgeon then explained that what he's typically seen on these wounds and basically this was all a miracle Charlie saved lives even in death and the internet clocked it this miracle the healthy bone his bone was so healthy and and the density was so impress like this is a quote by the way his bone was so healthy I want to read it this is allegedly from a surgeon quote his bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he's like the man of steel should have gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him, too. And we were just like that kind of was like the beginning of the WTF F, right? I feel like that was kind of the beginning of it. And immediately people in the comments responded to Andrew and he said this individual said this post is so fake as it would violate HIPPA. Like there's patient privacy. You can't just call up the surgeon. And then Andrew Kovat replies and says rest assured I would not have posted without full permission. Now he said he spoke to the surgeon and they confirmed that Andrew spoke to the surgeon but that they did not know that he was going to write that tweet. He did. They did not know that he called up the surgeon. So like it very much came across to be like Andrew was just flying by the seat of his pants. I I I don't I don't know. It like he was just flying dark on. And I was like that seems very strange to me because why would a surgeon do that? Like the first thing the surgeon should say is I can't speak to you. I don't even know. In theory, Andrew wasn't even there when Charlie died. I don't even know why the surgeon even knows this guy. Actually, maybe he hung around after, but you know, Andrew was not one of the people that got to the hospital or anything like that. So, this is this is quite literally the PR guy who's calling the surgeon. And so, that that just seems that just seems very inappropriate for a person to do, period. And I would say it was kind of the beginning, but that was that was what I got from that. Now, obviously, we discussed the security. I brought up Brian Harpole, this interview with Shawn Ryan and I think we can believe Turning Point when they say that they did not approve of this. They had no idea he was going on Shawn Ryan. I think that's pretty clear. I don't believe he works there anymore. So, that was kind of him just getting out there and perhaps trying to rescue his own reputation. And I think that that only made his reputation worse actually because people rightfully sensed that he wasn't telling the truth in that interview that he was being cy that he was saying things that didn't make any sense. Again, you constantly have these people that believe like Brian Harple that with enough performance he can sit down and you're just going to convince people that this is real and this is just a different time. Like I said, these Tik Tockers are out of control. They will check you in 4 seconds. Okay. things that the biggest piece of this that I want to communicate and that I did communicate to them and I hope that they took me um seriously on this or that rather that they that they take my strong advice on this. I said one of the reasons why I really want to sit down is because I want to walk out of here and feel confident saying to my audience, hey, like there's stuff going on behind the scenes, but Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. like that more will come out but you can take it from me that this is what happened. I was looking to achieve that because there's been a lot of signaling from various people, some people who are experts, uh, some people who have been involved in cases that there's obviously going to be stuff that the public does not have access to. And so it is at least plausible that they have seen very clear footage that we've been asking for of Tyler Robinson getting up there and taking the shot. Like they have access to UVU camera. So, I was hoping to hear that and I said that I was like, I want to hear why people feel so confident at Turning Point USA that Tyler Robinson is the guy. And at this point, they elected to call the lawyer, like, you know, their their lawyer who is involved in this case, one of the lawyers that was involved in this case. There's always a team of lawyers, especially for something like this. And what I got from the lawyer did not make me feel that Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. does not make me feel confident that Charlie that he didn't or did shoot uh Charlie Kirk. I was very surprised by this. He spoke a very long time. I asked, you know, can you share with me what it is? And I said, when you share this with me, I will not say what that thing is if that's what we if we want to protect the integrity of the case. I'm not going to if you say we've got the footage of him taking a shot, I'm I promise I won't say that to the audience, but I will communicate to them that you have something that is solid. And no to to the exact contrary this guy effectively said not effectively he said that they have nothing like but the affidavit. Okay. So what you have what we have seen is what they have. What people what is being discussed publicly you are this whole like non-expert problem where like well you don't know it's like what you read his messages that don't have any dates on it. Tyler Robinson writing out everything and the clean alibi. That's what they have. And what he explained to me was that that's the affidavit stage. That's where that's where it's at. And then what takes place now is the investigation is ongoing, right? So right now they're looking for more information. And once investigators uh they could very well have obviously footage and that is why they might feel uh that oh we're definitely going to get this prosecution. But the reality is is they don't actually share that information with the victim. They don't share that information with Erica. They don't in this part of the process. They will not know what in investigators have discovered. This is what the lawyer told me until May. Okay? They will not they have not seen anything that you have not seen is what I want you to know. So with that in mind, I'm sitting here going, why are you signaling? Why are why do I feel like the public's being gaslit on this? There's been nothing that's convincing. There are so many commentators who have gone out and said to you, it's overwhelming. The evidence is overwhelming. the text messages that don't have a date, that don't even sound real, that's overwhelming. That to me feels really fake and gay. I really do want to say that to every commentator that is out there trying to tell the public and insisting that if you say it enough times, it'll become real. You're you're actually just being dishonest. And I offered that a more honest way to communicate would be to say, "We think he's involved. We feel strongly. I've said that. I think he's involved. We are very hopeful that throughout this investigation we are going to get that concrete thing and that's where we're at right now. That's just the stage that we are at. That is not what we are getting from them. That is like I just I just feel like that's really important to let you guys know. Let the gaslighting stop. They have what you have. Okay? There is nothing else. They are in an investigative stage. Erica has been named as the victim. They will know more in this May hearing which is the probable cause hearing. That's what the lawyer told It's probable cause hearing and that's when they will see the evidence. That's when they get to present the evidence why they are going to stand there before the judge and be like, "Yes, we need to move this forward. It's not just an affidavit. We're not pulling together scraps. We have concrete evidence." Until then, okay, until we all get on the same page and understand what else they have, I am very confident stating the opposite of all of my, I guess, well- paid peers in that I don't believe that Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger. And what I also said to them was, and I said this in front of the lawyer cuz I don't I don't know why I'm like this. I was like, "You might need a new lawyer." I was like, "Because this person's trying to sell to you that this is solid." One of the rules that me and my husband have is that if you have a lawyer that tells you like you're 100% going to win. It's very it's very clear that you're going to win. You need a new lawyer. Okay? That's a cheerleader. It's not that's not a lawyer. A lawyer, even if you you should 100% win, should be telling you the risks here. You know, I feel good about this case. like let me talk real to you. I feel good about this case, but here's where things could go wrong. I want you to understand those risks that are involved. We don't have this yet. We don't have that yet. And especially given what I told them, which is I'm the only your lawyers or the investigators rather, not their lawyers because they're not the ones investigating. It's the state of Utah that's investigating. They have not called the one solitary person, as I told you guys, who filmed as he was uh on the roof. Remember the guy that's like, "Oh, there's somebody on the roof." And he sees him crouched down. I said, "I spoke to that person and his testimony would be devastating to your prosecution." He did not He saw the person on the roof. He filmed the person on the roof at 12:23 p.m. And he did not see that person take the shot. And this is not some random student. This is a guy who trains people to shoot guns at a range. He knows guns. Okay? He saw uh he said what he saw was a smaller gun. He said that this person uh was dressed in black tactical gear and there was no recoil. That's devastating to that would be devastating to the prosecution. And yet investigators haven't reached out. Now they offered back well maybe they haven't reached out because they have an even clearer video where he and that's that's true. That's actually a good rebuttal. They're like we don't even have to sky because the video will speak for itself and we saw we saw what we saw. There's a there. Okay. But wouldn't you still want to speak to the other guy so you could prepare uh I don't know to to question him something. I I don't like that this investigation is going on. And I've apparently or I feel as though I spoke to more people than they have. I spoke both of the people who filmed videos that day uh told me that they weren't reached out to. So I don't I don't understand what's happening here. I don't understand the confidence I guess is the best way to say this. I told them I do not understand the confidence that is happening. Now, another really big thing that happened was they brought me Mikey's call locks. Okay, they brought me Mikey's call logs. And that is why I said this was a productive meeting. There is no other way to say it. I asked every question and they came with paperwork to show and to answer and to explain certain things also, which was I thought actually kind of sweet that I guess I'm you know I did on the previous show. I was like kind of looking at things in the mic and I couldn't find him. Uh, and someone said I think Mikey's not his like real name. Like they thought it was his middle name actually. And I just assumed, okay, well maybe he's using his middle name and that's why I can't find him. But Mikey really wants you guys to know that is his real name. And it is his real name. I found out shortly thereafter that they were uh confusing his middle name with they they thought it was switched that Michael is his real name. Just to clarify that because I realized I actually didn't go back and clarify that. Uh but Mikey's calls big piece of this. Okay. I'm going to I guess jog your memory on what Blake said about Mikey that day and then I'll tell you what actually happened because I don't think Blake has that great of a memory. Okay, take a listen. So, I was not with Mikey immed or I don't remember being with him. I think I was ahead of him as we left and then we get out and I run for must have can't have been more than 15 or 20 seconds and then I realize there hasn't been another shot. So, the shooter has likely been detained or stopped or something, not in immediate danger. I pause. I look around me and I see Mikey and I see Mikey there and I'll never, truthfully, I will never forget what I saw because I've seen Mikey almost every day for the past two years. Uh, I know his personality very well. He's a very bubbly guy. He's a very happy guy almost all of the time. And I'll never forget what I saw because it was clear in the moment that he was profoundly freaked out. What I'll always remember is the way his his lip was quivering, which I'd never seen before. And you you very rarely see from someone that he was freaking out. And then I think he literally said to me, I I might be imagining this, but I think what he literally said was he's and then he was looking around and then he says, "I I need to call Erica." And he then he takes his phone and he begins calling Erica. And I don't want to disclose how that call unfolded, but he did that this, you know, your mind extends all of this, but that is happening within >> a minute of all of this occurring. I remember he calls Erica >> I around the same time I pull out my phone and I call my mom just to say, "Mom, there's been a shooting. You're going to see it on the news. I'm okay. You know, pray for me. I've got to go." And I remember that call. And around the time I I put that phone away and then he immediately calls his dad. He calls Robin McCoy and he says, "Dad, someone's shot Charlie. You need to call all of your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We need everyone to pray right now." And that's what he told him. >> Okay. So, that's just not right. And so, when he says, "I might be imagining this for I'll never forget followed by I might be imagining this," probably means that maybe you forgot and like you really could be imagining. For me personally, I think the normal physiological response in these high adrenaline situations for most people is you lock in that they're literally your body when it goes through something uh when it's terrified and it's going through sort of like you are really paying attention to details. We've learned about this many times over in health class growing up. This is why they talk about that fight orflight response and quite literally there's stuff happening to your body. And so there's a lot of details here that are just just not accurate. And the one that surprised me the most about these call logs is I certainly feel that we were given the impression over and over and over again that the first person Mikey called was Erica, right? He called Erica. He was we were told this by many people also that he was he trained like like he almost like went to a camp and trained and Charlie was like 1 2 3 go and like fast one go. That's why he walked away go and just told him this is what the first thing you do is well he didn't do that. Actually, the first person he called was his wife. He called Elizabeth McCoy. Um, and then he stayed on the phone with his wife for 10 minutes. And during those 10 minutes, he three-wayed Erica 3 minutes after the shot went off. And then he three-ways his father. And then he three-ways a third person who I am not interested in mentioning because it's not relevant. This is Danny McCoy, by the way, is his brother that's in the military, but that's before the shot goes off. Charlie Kirk shot goes off. You know, I have that in detail. Charlie's brought to security. Mikey McCoy calls his wife. They will stay on the phone for 10 minutes. Okay. In that same minute, cuz we know this cuz Blake Nef has given us his call log to his mother. Blake Nef called his mom. His call with his mother lasted 45 seconds. So, we're assuming it went to 12:25. It very well could have stayed in 12:24 depending on the millisecond. Blake Nef ends that phone call with his mother. Mikey McCoy after the phone call with his mother ends call adds Erica to the phone. Okay, so that when he was recapping and he's like, "Oh, he's lip quivering." And he's like, "I got to call Erica." And he's like, "And then I called my mom." That's not right. That's just not right. Okay. Mikey called Erica after Blake Nef ended that phone call with his mother. if call logs are to be believed above, you know, human testimony. Mikey McCoy then drops Erica from the phone call two minutes later and then he adds his father to the phone call again. He is this entire time on the phone with his wife. Okay. And then Mikey McCoy ends his phone call with his father. He does call another person who I'm not mentioning because it's just not relevant to anything, you know, not a character in the story rather. And then he ends the phone call with his wife and a minute later. His brother calls him back and they stay on the phone for 10 minutes. I did not get this from everybody speaking about this Mikey McCoy call log. I know that you guys did not get this. I did not get this. I don't know why she was disappeared from this. Like you could go like the wife wants privacy. know, she was like, you know, main stage um at the memorial, has been, you know, I would say very involved in a lot of this kind of, you know, like I I think it's very close that she's close with Erica. Uh they went on the vacation together. So, I just I didn't I don't get this disappearing act. I find I found that to be like, okay, but but they were forthcoming with it. That feels good. That feels good, guys. Like, wow, we can we don't have to guess. Now, we have solid answers. And like I said, when you come out and give solid answers and you're not weird and calling people names and saying all this stuff, it allows people to go, okay, I I feel a bit more like we can trust this process because we have communication. That's the reality. Um, and so I just I wanted to update you with that. Also, another thing that really I think surprised them and I think surprised me is getting back to this Hampton's retreat. The thing about the Hampton Street and I communicated this with them that makes me so um uncomfortable is how many little lies were told. I think I've been clear about that. Like Seth Dylan definitively pressed Charlie at this event. Now whether it was in a hypothetical, which it was in a hypothetical, but he got fired up in the hypothetical of Charlie discussing potentially tweeting something against BB Netanyahu, it did lead to this firecracker moment. Again, this is one of those things where I go, why am I always being held out to dry, like hung out to dry for telling people the truth, especially when I wasn't going, oh, well, Seth Dylan killed Charlie Kirk. I just like this happened. It factually happened. And yet everybody's kind of putting out these weird statements and they're not being honest in them. And I was saying to them that made me feel really weird. And I would love to know more and about this BB Netany and Yahoo offer to fund Turning Point to the next level. Uh at which point Erica said she was not aware of that happening. It is obviously totally possible that that was kept in the business lane of Turning Point USA, but I'm certain. I said, I am absolutely certain that I did not get this from an obscure source that BB offered to fund Turning Point to the next level. And it was part of my frustration with that sitdown with Alex Clark where Andrew said, "Oh, there was not $150 million that's made up." You know, I told them, Andrew Kovette was my source. Andrew Kovette told me verbatim that BB Netanyahu offered to take turning points to the next level and that Charlie turned that money down. So, I said there's a bit of a predicament when I'm being like lambasted by all of these voices and people that are attacking me and these paid campaigns. And when I say paid, yes. Okay. Actually have the names of people different ways they're being paid. Some are being paid by PR firms. Too many are being paid by Prager University, which is upsetting to me because I know Marissa and it's just dirty. But it's it's especially crazy when people are calling it a conspiracy when I share things that are told to me from the spokesperson of Turning Point USA. Okay, that's weird. And yes, they were forthcoming. Nobody's ever denied this. So, this was not on our list of lies about the fact that BB Netanyahu did call him. Okay, that did happen. BB shared that. By the way, our source for that could have just as well been BB Netanyahu. uh and not a lot of clarity on I don't know why some of some people think he didn't make this offer and why definitively three different sources who would have knowledge of this confirmed to me that BB Netany and Yahoo did indeed make this offer. I never said $150 million ever, not once on this show. I wouldn't have even said that. By the way, if you said take Turning Point to the next level, I actually would have assumed it was more. I'm being honest. That's like that's that's a hefty offer and it leads to a lot of questions. So there was not a lot of clarity there. Lastly, I want to add of course I was locked in this meeting when people on live were another round of debunking the Egyptian planes. I want to be very clear. We discussed the Egyptian planes and I have since worked on an incredible document about the Egyptian planes which we are going to put up on our website because I realized that when we sent that when we shared that spreadsheet, people assumed that one of the columns which was actually saying where the planes landed on that day because it was plus or minus 3 days was exactly where Erica had been on that day and that was inaccurate. And so for clarity, I had been working on the last week on turning it into an interactive timeline that we can put up on our website because I'm certain that these Egyptian planes are incredibly shady and that they were in fact tracking Turning Point USA faith broader events. Of course, Erica was at some of them, Charlie was at some of them, but it is the the pattern here is undeniable. So, let the naysayers and people make videos trying to what do we fifth round debunk these planes. I also want to say to you that I feel very confident that I know why these planes have caused such panic and it is because there is overwhelming evidence that these planes regularly fly in and out of Israel and I I'm going to present that evidence evidence tomorrow. I say that strongly. This is the like I feel very confident saying these Egyptian planes are flying in and out. And notice I'm saying planes because once I was able to connect people that were on those planes onto other Egyptian planes, I was able to realize that these planes are flying in and out of Israel and turning their transponder off each time that they do it. That is now makes perfect sense of why there was this mass panic, right? It's not exactly like we have a strong Egyptian lobby in the United States. Not we're like, whoa, well those darn Egyptians again are trying to get Tik Tok censored. I I mean every person in the game Barry acting well the these are the usual suspects that act if something is a threat to Israel okay which is they should have just been forthcoming pretended that it was changing apart instead they're trying to gaslight us and they're actually frankly just pissing me off so I became locked in on these Egyptian planes because that's how I am okay you keep pushing me and keep pushing me I will become an expert on these planes I'll learn how to build an Egyptian plane the reality is like I said tomorrow I will show you how these planes tie back to Israel and there's there's no there's no disproving this. So, uh more on that later. We'll be right back after uh throwing at some of our sponsors. All right, you guys. When they double down on abortion, we know that we have to double down on supporting life. 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Just grab your phone, open the App Store or Google Play, type in Rumble and hit download. Once you're in, you can search for Candace Owens and click follow so that you never miss a new episode. You'll get notified every time that I go live. If you care about free speech, if you want platforms that respect your right to think for yourself, and if you're tired of big tech deciding what's allowed, then this is the moment that you can make a switch. Your voice matters and the platforms that you choose matter just as much. You can move to Rumble today. Just click the link in the description below, download the app, and join us there. I'll see you there. Okay, so a couple of things I want to say. First and foremost, I just got a live update that I I thought it was Danny McCoy on the call log. I should totally correct that and I will correct that and we'll be sure to trim it in post here, but it is not Danny McCoy. It is Danny, another one of Charlie's assistants. So, I will correct that. Please correct that if you're going to make videos. Not Danny McCoy that he that called him and then called him after. That is another assistant of Charlie's. So, we want to be accurate. I don't know why I assumed it was Danny McCoy in my head. I I may have done that. Okay. Another thing you guys have may have been noticing that we are getting into this weird space where they seem to be almost writing like Candace Owens fanfiction. I can't even reply to things and a lot of you sense that this was because we were getting close. I agree. I fully agree that these attacks which have grown hysterical like I can't even begin to tell you the the conversations between me and my PR person. And I'm like just like there's nothing to respond to. I mean there's not even one sentence of this that is true case in point. By the way, um New York Post does this article today. It was we were actually laughing. Okay. Like inside Candace Owens's sadistic and dangerous world monetizing baseless conspiracies. This is after, by the way, they changed my my husband's Wikipedia and said that he was a Qatari, like he had a Qatari passport or citizenship. I don't think my husband's ever even flown over Qatar. I could be wrong, but I don't think he's I know he's never been to Qar. I don't think he's ever flown over Qatar. And they're just making it up and then they make it trend no matter what it is. And I'm like, this is happening. It's like a psychological operation because they're trying to keep us constantly responding as opposed to focusing on our investigation. Which is why I spent this weekend and I just kept down on the Egyptian planes because it's it's it's completely crazy. And when you see a media storm like this, it can only be happening because Zionists are locking arms and going attack attack because they are by and large control the media. They just do. Okay? One way or the other, Zionists control the Empire medias and they are scared about something in this investigation. We've noticed that from the very beginning. So, um, they wrote in this article, the New York Post, just to give you an example of how insane this is, they said they had an inside source that told them that while I was at the Daily Wire, I just fought with people from the very source that in my first week, I threw my car keys at a producer and expected them to park my car. That sentence genuinely made me laugh so hard because I never once in the entire time that I worked for the Daily Wire did I ever drive my car to work. Okay, I just didn't. They had a driver that took me there. So, I don't know why I would suddenly take the driver's keys and then throw it at somebody. But quite literally, I never drove for Daily Wire. So, it's just when I say fanfiction, I'm like, "This is fanfiction." Secondly, they say I did that to a producer and that I conducted de demanded others do my research. Could not be further from the truth. I have always always done my own shows. I I I can't I can't read a script. I riff my shows. I think that's pretty obvious that I demanded a huge studio uh attempted to use their PR firm to get the cover of People magazine. Like full fanfiction. There's not even a shred. I don't even think we ever had a conversation about People magazine cuz that would not be a normal outlet for any conservatives that I wanted to be on the cover of People is insane. And they said that their sources also said that like my team hated me. My team came with me when I got fired. My whole team's here. So, I was just going, okay, what is happening here? Why are we talking about Qar? Why are they making these things up? And I have come to the same conclusion as you. It is because we are we are dangerously close to something. I think we have to keep pushing on the Wuka Air Base, which we are doing. And tomorrow we are going to get back into the investigation. We're just going to ignore the noise because as I have said and as I have maintained, I believe that Charlie was betrayed by people that are close to him. And I asked that question in the meeting. I'm like, "Okay, if we can agree that everyone around you," I was like, "I know there are people at turning point. They're not good people, right? And it's it's feasible that people if they have addictions that they, you know, you you can definitively get yourself in a scenario where you are willing to sell somebody out. This is a massive organization. How can we so confidently state that nobody had anything to do here uh to do with um anything here?" And I think that one of the things that Erica was like, "Well, I'm about like a feminist." And I didn't want the vibe of that, which I think it did come across like a bit of a feminist, to say like this is all my family. I'm like, how could this all be your family? I I know people in this family and they're not good people. I wouldn't even do that with my own family. Okay, I got people in my family like we all do, you know, who aren't exactly walking a straight arrow in life. And yeah, so I I I've communicated that. I have not changed my position on that. I am not going to stop researching the characters in this that I don't feel good about. But further to sort of them just creating and making things up, Tim P has now gone out and extraordinarily claimed that I have the same the same security as Charlie Kirk and that I'm a fraud and that actually I have the exact same security. You will recall that Tim just said a week ago that I have no security. Okay, this is Tim Pool a week ago. >> She is burning everything down and she's gloating and smiling while she does it. And you know what you told me? She has no security. She doesn't deal with the we have to deal with. She's a piece of >> She has security just now on the level of you. >> Oh yeah, the one fat guy you mentioned with no wall and no barrier in a suburban neighborhood with neighbors shouldn't give two. No one's out for her. She's lying about all of this. YOU TOLD ME YOU WENT TO HER HOUSE and she's got a 4ft wall and one fat guy and she doesn't give a about our security. >> So that was like Tim last Monday. This is Tim who said I had no security except for one fat guy, which I told you was not true. Now he's saying this. Take a listen. >> Uh okay. Uh I'll I'll say things that I probably shouldn't say, but I'm going to say I always get super heated on this. Um Candace Owens has the same security team as uh Turning Point and and and Charlie Kirk did. She's lying. She has the same security people. I've been digging into this. I've been meeting with people and talking with them. And I shouldn't say too much because there's more that's going to be coming out soon because rest assured, people are filing legal paperwork against her. >> Candace has the same security team or has used the same security companies and the same security personnel as Charlie and Erica did. So when she comes out and is questioning them, she is lying outright. Now, I've invited many of these people to come on. We'll see what happens. We'll see when they can. The issue is the moment Candace goes on her show to millions of people and lies, litigation begins. And what happens when litigation begins? People don't do interviews about about it. She is exploiting this and she knows she is to keep people wrapped up in this insanity. He Tim versus Tim undefeated. And what I will also say is that's all a lie. It's just it's that's what I'm it's almost like they have just sent a a call like they're getting too close and just said I don't care what you write. I don't care if it's complete fiction. Make it believable. Uh say her husband beats her. Say her like it it's coming after my husband. They're coming after me and they're making stuff up. I have never employed the same security team as Charlie Kirk ever. We went our separate ways early actually back he there was like it's obviously been publicized before he had Schaefer security and Schaefer security which was run by Greg Schaefer who has issued a public statement they had Dan Flood and Brian Harpool working for them initially I told Charlie I did not like the security apparatus I got my own security separate from Charlie from the very beginning okay that's a fact it just is a fact there's no way to undo that fact trying to do this strategy of you're going to get sued is just threatening body. If there was any truth to that, you can't just file legal paperwork. You have to send a cease and desist. You have to say something you said on your show was untrue. Can you please correct this? Okay. And if I ignore that, as I did with Brit, because I told the truth, as I did with Kim Clay, because I told the truth, then you have the grounds to file something. We have received no cease and desist from Charlie security whatsoever. Over what? I mean, the audacity that you're filing a lawsuit and someone got murdered on your watch because I I accurately said that the Brian Harpole, the message he showed belonged to Dan Flood. It did. And that they didn't do a walkthrough on that day. They didn't. Like, and if something I'm getting wrong and you'd like to show me that actually it did, send it. Send it over. We're only interested in getting the truth and we're not getting it. Uh we're certainly not expecting to get it from Tim P. That is that is crazy. That's that's just crazy town. But I do think that that is right now Visa's strategy and that's why I want to encourage you guys to stay focused. uh Wuka which we're going to have a lot on tomorrow uh because there's there is something there and I think that that caused a panic as well as the Egyptian planes which I am telling you go back uh relate to Israel and I will be able to prove that tomorrow for all of the naysayers and again it's only because this is how they act if they they they always overreact and then it lets us know that we are close they are like an alarm they are just an alarm um something else that I wanted to show you by the way I thought we were not supposed to be doing live streams until we were speaking. But Turning Point, I guess, has their daily show, but that I didn't feel like that that was communicated to me. It felt like a ceasefire and then it got violated. But they had an interesting conversation on their show yesterday on the Charlie Kirk show uh about this trial, the upcoming trial about Tyler Robinson. And here is what they had to say. Take a listen. >> So, this is straight from the charging document. It says Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rightsoriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views. In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event at UVU, which Robinson said was a quote stupid venue for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate. And when you see how easy that rooftop access is, you start to kind of put one and one together and you realize that Robinson had a plan that he was going to ultimately take advantage of. And he he obviously knew how easy it was to get up to that rooftop, which is Yeah. which is terrifying. >> It really is. And look, you know, one of the other things that's being pushed around for a long time was that, you know, you TPUSA, both the local chapter and and you guys didn't advertise this event till a couple days prior to. Now, the insinuation there is that that doesn't give Tyler enough time to plan for this. And what we found out with a little bit of I don't know 20 uh not even five minutes of googling and and looking. Yeah. Look, you guys had already put out on your website as early as August 27th. So we have at least almost a full two weeks prior to this that not only the time of the event, but the location, the exact location of the UVU courtyard. So when you have over 10 days of planning and it sounds like that Tyler already was familiar with the campus to begin with, like a lot of the mystery of this starts to go out the window and and it starts to really conform with what is exactly being proposed by the state of Utah and the FBI in the charging documents. >> Yeah. And and we can attest we you know Andrew Cipher who's our head of field you know Charlie sometimes throw the events out you know seven 10 days in advance if something opened up in his schedule he would be able to do these outdoor events a pretty quick turn. Um and so those those whole uh that that whole theory kind of goes out the window. >> So unless I am mistaken and I am not perfect but I do feel like we worked really hard to see when this location was first revealed. the first time that we found that the courtyard was mentioned because Charlie speaking at events, your assumption would be there inside, right? You have no idea where it is. So, it's not like you can see whether you have a shot to the courtyard, unless you know Charlie speaking in the courtyard. The earliest that we found that was on September 2nd, the local media mentioned on KMYU that Charlie was speaking at UVU in the courtyard. Okay, that's the first time that we found this. If I am wrong, please tag me because what he's referring to on August 27th that happened, which we have on our timeline as well, and this is why I love a timeline, is that TPUSA, UVU, and the local BYU chapter shared a graphic announcing that Charlie was coming to UVU, but there were absolutely no location details mentioned. So, that actually does shred the idea that he could have practically gone and scaled rooftops before September 2nd. That's the first public mention is September 2nd. They announced the event on August 27th. As he says, no location details. And then on September 2nd, there are loa location details provided by local media for the first time. Prove me wrong. Okay? Prove me wrong if that is if I if I'm inaccurate because I I do think that we were thorough on that. I will update my timeline. If not, it does then go beg the question. Surely they must have footage after September 2nd of him testing the rooftop in some capacity to then realize, oh, it's going to be an outdoor event. This is this is an opportunity for me to go after him. We are waiting for that. And like I said, I was told that they don't have anything that the public doesn't have. So, it's it's not obvious to me. I don't think it's obvious to the public. Now, I do want to get to Viva Viva Frey, who had this to say regarding drones. Oh, sorry. I mean, sorry, around the tech uh regarding the text messages from Tyler Robinson. >> A lot has been made about these texts exchanged that have gone back that went back and forth between Robinson and his his lover, his trans furry gay lover, whatever. Um, and people say, "It doesn't sound right. Doesn't sound right." Well, there is a video that I want everybody to check out uh by Turkey Tom. I believe you've watched it now, Viva, where and this has been authenticated as somebody who was in the Discord chats with them and apparently spent time with them at this apartment. And he said 100% this is how they talked, which is a striking finding. We're going to go into that more uh probably tomorrow, the next day, depending on uh how today goes. But I mean, I get the skepticism on this. I at first it struck me too, but apparently this is how they talk. Viva, >> that was not the most um the most implausible thing to believe. Okay, so you have a text message. It it does read regardless of whether or not this is how they talk. Um people saying they were they were manufactured by or drafted by AI. To the extent that they're confirmed text messages, you can you know come to whatever conclusions you want after that. But they, you know, whether or not this is how they talk regularly, to the extent that those were authentic text messages, they show what they show, which is whether or not uh his lover was aware of what was going on, you're etching bullets. And you know, it's maybe not for target practice of of a of a sporting nature. But like when I say I don't believe the official narrative, and you have to go back to a number of things here. I I put my sort of best theory as to what what went down. I want to know who was on the Discord chat in advance, what they were discussing, and whether or not there might have been some other foreign in I say foreign, not foreign government, but outer influence there. Tyler Robinson is getting radicalized right about the same time as Thomas Krooks, right about the same time as uh the other guy, Ryan Ruth. You know, he's being radicalized at a politically relevant period of time, right around the same time, oddly enough, as the alleged suspect in the January 6 pipe bomber. you know, a time frame where political violence uh is potentially very useful in in you know, for the upcoming election. So, the time frame of the radicalization is is very interesting to see whether or not he was on anybody's radar beforehand. We don't yet know that and why there would not be confirmation on that can lead to suspicion. You remember the old man George Zinn arrested for claiming to be the shooter the day of and then gets busted for CP on his phone. Like I I in my mind, if I'm making a plausible theory here, George Zinn was probably on some Discord chat with a bunch of young perverts and he's an old pervert and he's getting off doing whatever they do on those chats. He knows what's going down. He shows up there and thinks he's going to be some useful decoy or distraction for Tyler Robinson because they know what's going down. That's my theory. But, you know, it is the absence of total disclosure, the total lack of faith that anybody has, not just in the FBI per se, but in any state law enforcement. Nobody has all nobody has any faith in our institutions anymore. And it leads people to go from, you know, healthy skepticism to just not believing it to concocting the most outlandish conspiracy theories imaginable. But then those text messages, you can understand how they will cause people to come to those types of conclusions. And I, you know, [clears throat] allegedly the rumors are Cash Patel, you know, getting mad at Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Kent for trying to look into a potential terrorist angle to this. also does nothing to um ferment faith in the system. >> Look, I think it's what he's saying there is perfectly valid and we can all surmise about what we think happened that day. We can also ignore the fact that I broke the story that the nurses were told at Utah Valley which treated George Zinn. Everyone's just ignoring the things that I broke. She has no evidence. But he said he told the nurses that he was paid to do that. So whatever we can all theorize and he which we're going to do in the absence of any concrete facts, but I will say it's good that Turning Point is at least giving that air, right? I feel before I don't I think that might even be the first time Andrew Kovette has expressed that he thought that those messages were weird initially. That's good. That's what people want. They want fresh air at Turning Point USA. They want different perspectives. They want to feel like you're willing to have a conversation and that at least you're going to defend people when they're being called liars when they're telling the truth about something. That would feel more authentic, I think. And so I am just to say this very happy that we are on much better feet and that we have opened the lines of communication. I I do genuinely think that Justin Stripe did a great job refing that conversation yesterday. And I also do want to shout out Megan Kelly because this was going we were trying to make this happen in the background uh really since Blake and Nef fumbled the first invite. And thank you. That's in large part because of you guys at home that were like, "What the f was that?" And I think that they got enough flak that they were like, "Okay, we got to fix this." But I I want to commend him for for making that happen, for being the person that, you know, kind of rolled up his sleeves and was like, "Okay, let's actually make a conversation happen and start answering some questions," which I think was done well. And Megan Kelly, who was initially going to when we were going to live stream the conversation before the Barry Weiss moment, Megan Kelly um offered to ref that conversation. I felt like she would have done a very good job. I I do think that she has kept it very even. She has not been hysterical and it's demonic. It's evil. How dare Candace and I appreciated that she has said I don't agree with Candace, but I also don't think that she's doing this because she's been possessed by a demon. I think she actually believes these things and I do and I have a right to believe those things and I don't feel any differently about the people that I mentioned on the show that I think are shady at Turning Point USA. 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