Candace Owens Reveals Never-Before-Seen SUV Evidence in Charlie Kirk Case as Turning Point USA Threatens Sandy Hook-Style Lawsuit

[00:01] All right, you guys. Happy Tuesday. So,

[00:03] rather unexpectedly yesterday, I was

[00:05] informed by a Daily Mail reporter who

[00:08] was seeking comment that Erica Kirk was

[00:10] about to go on the attack against me in

[00:12] the press. The article did drop

[00:15] yesterday evening, and it is quite

[00:16] shocking. Erica, according to a family

[00:20] friend, refers to me as that that

[00:25] bee in the privacy, I guess, of her own

[00:29] comfort of her home and at the office. I

[00:32] actually quite appreciated the article.

[00:33] Uh, and I'm going to tell you why that

[00:35] is. But first, we have two more

[00:38] neverbeforeseen photos of the SUV that

[00:40] Charlie was transported to the hospital

[00:42] in. And there's another interesting

[00:45] object that might complicate or perhaps

[00:47] further clarify matters of what

[00:49] happened.

[00:51] Also, if you are paying attention,

[00:54] Turning Point is attempting to shift the

[00:56] public discussion in a very dangerous

[00:59] way. They keep equating what they term

[01:02] to be conspiracy theories about

[01:04] Charlie's death, what they mean is

[01:06] people asking questions, with Sandy Hook

[01:10] victims. They're calling this like Sandy

[01:12] Hook victimization. They are signaling

[01:15] again if you are paying attention that

[01:17] they want people or maybe just one

[01:19] particular person to be bankrupted for

[01:23] asking meaning meaningful questions

[01:25] about their founders's death. So we

[01:27] should discuss that. It's very

[01:28] important. Welcome back to Candace.

[01:46] Where to begin? Well, let's begin with

[01:49] that car ride to the hospital. That

[01:51] increasingly complicated approximately 7

[01:55] minute ride to the hospital. Approximate

[01:57] seven minutes, right? As usual, I would

[01:59] like to simply have answers provided.

[02:03] Look, I I don't want to be the person

[02:04] that's constantly on a hunt for basic

[02:06] answers. That's not a good use of my

[02:08] time. That's my most precious resource,

[02:10] by the way. Time. I don't want to be

[02:12] working on side quests like helping

[02:14] Blakey Nef remember what he was doing in

[02:17] Salt Lake City that morning, who he was

[02:19] with. I don't want to waste my time

[02:21] having to referee fights between Frank

[02:24] Churik and Frank Turk. I'd rather not do

[02:26] that. I'd rather we all just sit down

[02:28] for an open and public forum where every

[02:31] question is asked and the public gets to

[02:33] consume that and everyone can feel

[02:35] better and end this quest. But of

[02:38] course, from the very beginning, as we

[02:39] have all seen, Turning Point USA

[02:41] employees and Charlie Kirk show

[02:43] employees have just been stonewalling

[02:45] us, right? It's been the opposite of

[02:47] helpful. Uh they have not been

[02:49] forthcoming about anything. They're

[02:52] growing increasingly accusatory. They

[02:54] just want us to honor Charlie by

[02:58] honoring the widow with our cold hard

[03:01] cash. That is what the messaging has

[03:03] felt like. I cannot do that. In fact, I

[03:07] have failed at obeying that mandate.

[03:09] Rather, from the very beginning of this

[03:10] thing, I have been gathering information

[03:12] and evidence which I thought initially

[03:15] and many would think that Turning Point

[03:17] USA would be grateful for that that's

[03:18] what they'd be using their resources

[03:19] for. If you're going to overwork people

[03:22] at Turning Point USA and tell your

[03:24] employees to get to the office, why not

[03:26] just gather every piece of information

[03:28] you can about that day? I'd prefer that

[03:31] over a t-shirt and a tent.

[03:35] Anyway, we continue. We persist. And

[03:39] today, we do so with two more never

[03:42] before seen photos of the SUV that

[03:44] transported Charlie to the hospital. And

[03:46] I'm going to show you the first. Here it

[03:49] is.

[03:52] So this is to be clear the back seat

[03:56] door left side driver side and it is

[04:00] what is shoved into

[04:04] that little pocket there that has caught

[04:06] our eye. What is in that door

[04:08] compartment? Let's zoom in.

[04:13] Well,

[04:14] now we cannot definitively state what it

[04:17] is. What I can tell you is that across

[04:19] the board in my our little orbit at home

[04:22] independent double blind study if you

[04:24] will, everyone immediately saw a glove,

[04:27] myself included. Take that for what it's

[04:29] worth. I mean, I went up to my husband,

[04:31] zoomed in, gave him no context as usual.

[04:33] I said, "What do you see, honey?" And he

[04:34] said, "A leather glove." Someone else

[04:36] said, "Nitro gloves." Uh, I sent it to

[04:39] Baron Coleman. He said, "Gloves." The

[04:42] material of the glove has varied, but no

[04:44] one has offered anything else in terms

[04:47] of what they see. And so I can we just

[04:50] decided to grab some gloves, right? We

[04:52] from our one leather, one nitro and took

[04:57] a look at that. When I say nitro gloves,

[04:58] think like chef gloves um that you see

[05:01] them wearing. That's a that's a nitro

[05:02] glove that's kind of made from a

[05:04] synthetic rubber. So, we decided to take

[05:06] our little uh experiment further because

[05:08] I was then going that looks like the ent

[05:10] like it's just folded on itself. That

[05:12] looks like it's the entry to the glove.

[05:16] Someone just took off their gloves and

[05:17] threw it in there. We decided to do some

[05:20] science here. We can recreate it. I have

[05:22] nitro gloves. So, we decided to then

[05:25] just drop some in a car door for

[05:27] comparison. And here is what we came up

[05:28] with.

[05:30] There you go. That is in our door. We'll

[05:33] show you again. That is in our door.

[05:36] We'll show you again. That's our door

[05:39] nitro gloves. And again, our door nitro

[05:43] gloves. I think we can do a side by

[05:44] side. Did we do a side by side for

[05:46] comparison? Um, and in order to get that

[05:49] image, just to be clear, we had to wear

[05:52] the glove, have uh somebody wear the

[05:54] glove, take off the glove like this. So

[05:56] that top that you're seeing is

[05:58] technically inside out, right? and then

[06:01] just thrown into the side like so. We

[06:05] didn't have the exact same car obviously

[06:07] that's a smaller compartment. Ours is

[06:09] wider.

[06:12] I think it looks like it's a glove.

[06:20] Which of course leads us to the next

[06:22] question. Why would there be a glove,

[06:26] any kind of glove for that matter, um,

[06:29] put into the side of the car there? It's

[06:31] a good question, right? And again, I'd

[06:33] like to note that this glove is located

[06:35] inside of the left side rear doors where

[06:38] where Rick Cutler was seated. And you

[06:41] should also note that in general, the

[06:43] door, if we can take that wide shot

[06:45] again, it's relatively clean, right?

[06:48] This is

[06:50] a relatively clean door. So I don't

[06:53] think this particular side of the door

[06:56] any I should say any blood soaked men

[06:58] who needed to be changed um into surgeon

[07:03] uh scrubs exited through this door. I

[07:06] think that's that that would be a fair

[07:08] guess by looking at this. And again,

[07:10] this is in the immediate aftermath. This

[07:12] is not after the car is cleaned up. And

[07:14] you'll I can make that apparent in the

[07:15] in the next picture. Anyway, um the only

[07:19] place that we could see blood on this

[07:20] door was just there at the handle. So,

[07:23] we're zooming in so you can see that.

[07:26] I'm not sure how gloves, nitro gloves

[07:31] would fit into the story. We were not

[07:32] going to say those are Brian Harples.

[07:34] Obviously, his hands were already

[07:35] bloodied. Is he going to jump in and

[07:37] then put on gloves? That seemed that

[07:38] that makes entirely no sense. Why would

[07:39] you do that?

[07:41] Why would you then put on nitro gloves

[07:42] and then hand them over to be put onto

[07:45] the opposite side of where you were

[07:46] sitting? That doesn't make any sense

[07:48] that he would have on gloves in my

[07:51] opinion.

[07:52] Um,

[07:55] outside of keeping your fingerprints off

[07:58] of something,

[08:00] who would put on gloves if those are

[08:02] gloves? You know what I was thinking? I

[08:04] was thinking, where are those scissors

[08:06] that Brian Harpull used to cut Charlie's

[08:08] shirt? Did the fed seize those scissors?

[08:11] He cut. He said he cut the shirt. Whose

[08:13] scissors did he use? Were the hospital

[08:14] scissors? That's a question I guess I

[08:15] could ask in court. Where are those

[08:18] scissors? Did Brian Harpo cut the shirt?

[08:20] Did somebody else cut the shirt in the

[08:22] car? Cuz that was a that was one of a

[08:25] People thought that could have been a

[08:26] shirt in that back seat on the side,

[08:29] which Ryan, you know, that would have

[08:31] been Rick Cutler's side in the back

[08:34] seat. Did somebody else cut his shirt? I

[08:38] don't know.

[08:41] Everything remains plausible when people

[08:44] are telling I'm sorry, how did Frank

[08:46] Cherk term it? Not contradicting

[08:48] stories. They're just having different

[08:50] memories of the same event, which is

[08:52] normal. When people are having different

[08:54] memories of the same event,

[08:58] everything remains plausible.

[09:02] Here is a second never-before-seen

[09:04] photo. And it's another shot of that

[09:08] mysterious object that many people,

[09:11] surgeons included, have identified as a

[09:13] burned shirt. Again, we can't say that

[09:15] definitively, but I'll tell you what I

[09:17] like about this photo before we get

[09:18] close to it. Maybe it is a burned shirt.

[09:20] Maybe it's not a burned shirt. Um, I

[09:22] don't I don't know. Just like I don't

[09:24] know why the feds would want this car

[09:26] immediately released, towed, cleaned up,

[09:28] and resold so fast. None of that makes

[09:30] any sense to me. Why wasn't the car

[09:32] impounded for evidence? Anyhow, this

[09:35] second photo is actually very clear and

[09:38] allows us to zoom in on that item. Um,

[09:41] and you can see we're back. The mints

[09:43] are back there and you can just get a

[09:45] clearer picture of that item that is in

[09:49] that back seat, which some people

[09:52] believe to be the remnants of a shirt.

[09:55] Some people are messaging us and saying,

[09:56] "Candice, that's very clearly the

[09:58] letters on the freedom shirt." Well,

[10:00] have at it. Another shot.

[10:05] Um, I don't know what to think, but I I

[10:07] do believe that uh since no one has been

[10:10] convicted of this crime, it is our right

[10:13] uh to continue to investigate it and to

[10:16] assist

[10:17] hopefully the prosecution and the

[10:19] defense.

[10:20] Truth. it. I just want to assist whoever

[10:23] actually wants the truth with evidence

[10:26] that I don't think the public was ever

[10:29] meant to see. Maybe they were maybe

[10:31] throughout the court court case this

[10:33] stuff was going to come out.

[10:36] I have to say there is a lot that is now

[10:38] growing increasingly curious about that

[10:40] day, that ride to the hospital, other

[10:42] rides to the hospital. For example,

[10:45] recently on his show, Baron Coleman

[10:47] pulled a clip of Blake Nef arriving to

[10:48] the hospital with Danny Phillip. That's

[10:50] Charlie's uh second assistant, third

[10:53] assistant, Mikey McCoy, and Nate Walker.

[10:56] We're going to get to that clip in a

[10:57] moment, but it made me revisit Mikey

[10:59] McCoy's call logs. Like I said, we're at

[11:01] this stage in the investigation now

[11:02] where it's good to pause and reflect and

[11:04] go back and remember the things that we

[11:06] were told, things that we found out. And

[11:09] initially when I sat down with Erica, I

[11:11] did not know who Danny Phillip was. How

[11:13] could I have known? He was new, right?

[11:15] New as in started working full-time in

[11:17] May after he graduated out of school. I

[11:19] think I did meet him in a long time ago

[11:20] when he was uh working for the Ohio

[11:23] State chapter with the Ohio State

[11:25] chapter, but I didn't know he was

[11:26] working with Turning Point USA

[11:27] full-time. And I made an assumption that

[11:29] Danny Phillip was someone that Mikey was

[11:32] making calls to back in Arizona after

[11:35] the assassination. So, I was like, "Oh,

[11:38] wait. Actually, that's kind of weird to

[11:39] know a little bit, not maybe weird, but

[11:41] that changes things certainly to know

[11:42] that Danny Phillip and Mikey were both

[11:45] at the event together." So, just to jog

[11:47] your memory and hopefully to jog Blake

[11:49] Nef's memory, Danny Phillip, Charlie's

[11:51] new assistant, showed up to the event

[11:53] with Blake Nef in an SUV. So, two SUVs

[11:57] were rented by Mikey McCoy in Salt Lake

[11:59] City. And Blake Nef and Danny got into

[12:02] one SUV. They don't remember, or Blake

[12:04] Nef, I shouldn't speak for Danny. Blake

[12:06] Nef doesn't remember where they went in

[12:07] Salt Lake City. Charlie went to the

[12:08] restaurant event. Um, he had Mikey McCoy

[12:12] and Nate Walker with him. And then they

[12:15] all went to Provo uh for this event.

[12:19] Now, I believe that Danny was driving

[12:22] the SUV. I feel like I saw that

[12:23] somewhere. I did not fact check that

[12:25] myself, but Danny and Blake Nef were in

[12:27] that second SUV together. I don't know

[12:29] if there were other people there. What

[12:31] we do know is that Danny and Blake were

[12:33] standing on opposite sides of the tent

[12:36] when the sound of the explosive rang

[12:38] out. Danny Phillip was standing next to

[12:41] Butch Hibbs. So, that's on Charlie's

[12:43] right side. You can see him there um

[12:45] next to Butch Hibs and Blake was as we

[12:48] all know standing next to Mikey McCoy on

[12:50] Charlie's left side. Now after that

[12:53] sound rang out uh Blake is the first to

[12:57] gallop away as one would expect. He sort

[12:58] of prances forward. Mikey, as we know,

[13:02] immediately presses his phone to his ear

[13:04] and walks away and calls his wife

[13:07] Elizabeth. Never mind that for weeks

[13:10] following the assassination. Everyone

[13:12] lies about that. They tell us repeatedly

[13:15] that he immediately called Erica as he

[13:17] was trained to do by Charlie. Everyone

[13:19] he was trained. He did exactly what he

[13:20] was supposed to immediately called

[13:21] Erica. Erica even in the New York Times

[13:24] interview that she gave 8 days later

[13:27] said that at 11:23

[13:30] um obviously adjusting for time 12:23 I

[13:32] guess uh in uh local time Utah 11:23 her

[13:36] time she was looking at her phone and

[13:38] within seconds Mikey called her. Um then

[13:41] we found out months later that actually

[13:42] no Mikey called his own wife first and

[13:44] Erica was added to that phone call three

[13:47] minutes later. So, we're going to take a

[13:48] look at those phone calls as I run you

[13:51] further through the timeline. This is

[13:52] Mikey McCoy's call logs.

[13:55] So, just 2 minutes after Charlie is hit

[13:59] at 12:25,

[14:01] Blake and Mikey are back together and

[14:04] they're speaking and coordinating. We

[14:07] know this because Blake, who now suffers

[14:09] from various bouts of amnesia,

[14:12] at one point remembered that part very

[14:14] clearly. Take a listen.

[14:19] I was not with Mikey immed or I don't

[14:21] remember being with him. I think I was

[14:22] ahead of him as we left and then we get

[14:24] out and I run for must have can't have

[14:28] been more than 15 or 20 seconds. And

[14:30] then I realize there hasn't been another

[14:32] shot. So the shooter has likely been

[14:34] detained or stopped or something. Not in

[14:36] immediate danger. I pause. I look around

[14:38] me and I see Mikey. And I see Mikey

[14:41] there. And I'll never, truthfully, I

[14:42] will never forget what I saw because

[14:44] I've seen Mikey almost every day for the

[14:47] past two years. Uh, I know his

[14:49] personality very well. He's a very

[14:50] bubbly guy. He's a very happy guy almost

[14:53] all of the time. And I'll never forget

[14:55] what I saw because

[14:57] it was clear in the moment that he was

[15:00] profoundly freaked out. What I'll always

[15:02] remember is the way his his lip was

[15:04] quivering, which I'd never seen before.

[15:06] And you you very rarely see from someone

[15:08] that he was freaking out. And then I

[15:10] think he literally said to me, I I might

[15:12] be imagining this, but I think what he

[15:14] literally said was he's and then he was

[15:16] looking around and then he says, "I I

[15:19] need to call Erica." And he then he

[15:21] takes his phone and he begins calling

[15:23] Erica.

[15:24] >> And I don't want to disclose how that

[15:27] call unfolded, but he did that this, you

[15:29] know, your mind extends all of this, but

[15:31] that is happening within a minute of all

[15:34] of this occurring. I remember he calls

[15:36] Erica. I around the same time I pull out

[15:39] my phone and I call my mom just to say,

[15:41] "Mom, there's been a shooting. You're

[15:43] going to see it on the news. I'm okay.

[15:44] You know, pray for me. I've got to go."

[15:46] And I remember that call. And around the

[15:48] time I I put that phone away and then he

[15:51] immediately calls his dad. He calls

[15:53] Robin McCoy and he says, "Dad, someone

[15:56] shot Charlie. You need to call all of

[15:58] your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We

[16:00] need everyone to pray right now." And

[16:04] that's what he told him.

[16:08] Okay. So, yeah, he just forgot the part

[16:10] where he was already on the phone with

[16:12] his wife. Mikey's discussion with Erica,

[16:15] we know, lasted less than two minutes.

[16:18] The fact that has always kind of

[16:19] bothered me. I would have questions

[16:22] perhaps, but you know, who is to judge

[16:24] that immediate trauma of getting that

[16:25] news? We do know that she's going to say

[16:27] I effing knew it, right? That's what she

[16:30] tells I believe Jesse Waters. That's

[16:32] certainly what she told the New York

[16:33] Times. She knew it. But I digress

[16:36] because the big thing that I wanted to

[16:37] point out is this phone call with um

[16:42] Danny Phillip who was presumably with

[16:44] them. Why on earth did Danny and Mikey

[16:47] jump on the phone for a full 10 minutes

[16:51] in the middle of this chaos? So let's

[16:53] pull that back up. Let's pull that

[16:54] timeline, please.

[16:56] So he's right. He calls Rob and merges

[16:59] that call. They're on all these

[17:00] three-way calls and then he ends his

[17:02] phone call with Rob McCoy. ends his

[17:04] phone call with Elizabeth McCoy. That

[17:07] gives us a total of like he's on the

[17:08] phone with his wife for 9 minutes, 10

[17:10] minutes. And then Danny calls Mikey and

[17:14] they stay on the phone for 10 minutes.

[17:17] They're together. Blake Nefrode with

[17:20] Danny. That's the only SUV that is left.

[17:23] They all ran in the exact same

[17:25] direction.

[17:26] This suddenly registers to me as an

[17:28] extraordinarily long phone call in the

[17:31] middle of this mayhem. a long phone

[17:33] call. Um, a lot of things going on, a

[17:36] lot of people to speak to the person

[17:38] next to you.

[17:40] Now, maybe maybe Justin Strife, we have

[17:42] a couple options here. Maybe Justin

[17:43] Strife and Eric lied to me and it wasn't

[17:45] Danny Phillip that he was on the phone

[17:47] with. I don't know. I don't I don't

[17:48] think so. But I can't make sense of that

[17:51] phone call in the middle of everything

[17:52] when they're together. Danny, Blake, and

[17:54] Mikey all run in the same direction

[17:56] direction. They get into the same car.

[17:58] Their cars are parked right next to one

[17:59] anothers. What are they conversing about

[18:01] for 10 full minutes? We do know that

[18:04] they then all arrive at the hospital

[18:06] together around 1:00 p.m.ish. Blake says

[18:09] they arrived 25 minutes later. I'm going

[18:10] to forgive him that. I mean, you're

[18:12] estimating at that point. Um, and they

[18:15] we know that it's actually about 1:00

[18:17] p.m. because the local news caught a

[18:20] live feed of them walking into

[18:22] Temponogo's hospital. And this is what

[18:24] Baron Coleman was covering because they

[18:26] don't seem to be shaken. They're all

[18:28] just kind of walking uh casually and we

[18:32] can show you that new segment here. Take

[18:34] a listen.

[18:35] >> We have a lot of news still to cover

[18:37] here. We want to show you live pictures

[18:39] which we've just gotten into the Fox 5

[18:41] Atlanta newsroom out of Utah um where

[18:45] we're continuing to follow developments

[18:47] surrounding the shooting of Republican

[18:50] activist Charlie Kirk who was on a

[18:54] campus nearby talking to students as he

[18:57] frequently does. He is the leader of the

[19:00] Republican youth movement. President

[19:02] Trump called him instrumental in getting

[19:04] him reelected as president. There was a

[19:07] shooting today and Charlie Kirk's

[19:09] representatives confirming that he was

[19:12] shot and is being treated at this

[19:14] hospital. So, we're stay on top of

[19:15] developments there out of Utah. Uh, as

[19:19] we continue, we're also going to speak

[19:20] to Senator John Oaf coming up here um in

[19:24] this hour. I spoke to the senator not

[19:26] too long ago. He had some very

[19:28] interesting things to say. If you'll

[19:30] give me a moment. Uh, I'm just being

[19:32] handed information um from President

[19:36] Trump regarding uh this shooting of

[19:39] Republican activist Charlie Kirk. Uh, we

[19:42] must all pray for Charlie Kirk who has

[19:44] been shot. A great guy from top to

[19:47] bottom. God bless him in all caps. Uh,

[19:51] that from President Trump.

[19:54] That is what allows us to date what time

[19:57] they walked into Temponogos because that

[19:59] tweet from Trump went out at 10:02 p.m.

[20:02] and he gets interrupted. So you allow

[20:04] for some time for them for his producer

[20:07] to print it. He's doing live updates and

[20:08] they're like here this just went out and

[20:10] you can see

[20:12] it says 202 because we're pulling this

[20:14] in our time zone. It was 10:02 p.m. that

[20:17] it went out local time. Again, I'm

[20:19] always adjusting to Utah when I'm

[20:21] speaking about September 10th just to

[20:22] make things easier. So, um, yeah, that

[20:25] allows us to know what time they showed

[20:26] up. And I'm being so genuine here in

[20:31] looking for answers. Maybe it was

[20:32] another conference call that they were

[20:34] all conferencing. It seems that might

[20:36] make sense. A bunch of Turning Point

[20:39] employees decided to jump on a

[20:41] conference call and coordinate and it

[20:43] was initiated by Danny Phillip somehow

[20:46] in the middle.

[20:49] But it's something that I'm thinking

[20:50] about. That's a long phone call. uh a

[20:52] longer phone call than you had with both

[20:54] your wife and Erica. Um who I feel would

[20:58] be wanting more details or wanting more

[21:01] answers. Um who knows?

[21:05] A lot's happening right now. And I I was

[21:07] asking myself the question, what in

[21:10] particular transpired

[21:13] while I was in Spain? Because it feels

[21:15] like a Zionist going out of business

[21:17] sale. You know what I mean? You know,

[21:19] when a store is going out of business

[21:21] and things look and feel chaotic, bright

[21:24] signs that read, "Everything must go.

[21:27] Buy one, get everything else free. Take

[21:29] it now. Doors are closing forever."

[21:32] That's kind of the only way I can

[21:34] describe this press cycle. Like,

[21:35] management doesn't actually care because

[21:38] they're about to lose their jobs anyway.

[21:40] No one is available on the floor to help

[21:42] you. Andrew Kovette is management. He's

[21:45] back of house calling his brother.

[21:47] Reverend Johnny Moore is working

[21:49] corporate, dropping digital assassin

[21:51] articles aimed at me, blaming his

[21:55] competitors. Ben Shapiro is on the phone

[21:57] receiving updates, but he's totally not

[21:59] involved, guys. Totally not. Just

[22:00] curious about why they're having a going

[22:02] out of sale business. Blake Nef is the

[22:04] creepy window shopper. Just keeps

[22:07] walking by the windows. He can't

[22:08] remember why. Everything just feels like

[22:11] it's it's going to hell in a hand

[22:13] basket.

[22:14] So, after 10 months of the Christian

[22:17] Grift, the Ali Stuckies, the Dana

[22:20] Lashes, the Honor the Widow

[22:22] presentations,

[22:24] Erica is apparently done playing the

[22:26] role. And I have told you since earlier

[22:28] this year that she's the one directing

[22:30] the show from behind the scenes. She's

[22:31] nasty behind the scenes. She calls

[22:34] people's priests. That's

[22:35] extraordinarily. That's extraordinary.

[22:37] That's just something you should know.

[22:38] She personally took credit for having

[22:41] Matt Walsh cancel his in-person

[22:44] appearance at the Catholic prayer event

[22:46] for Catholic for Catholics just because

[22:48] I was attending. That's a fact. That's

[22:50] not my organization. He transformed what

[22:53] was supposed to be his appearance into a

[22:55] video message instead because Erica was

[22:57] upset that I was going to be present.

[23:00] This was not a political event. It was

[23:01] literally a prayer. I spoke very briefly

[23:05] uh about my conversion to the faith and

[23:08] my initial hang-up about the blessed

[23:10] Mary and uh to be clear like I said

[23:14] Catholics for Catholics is not my

[23:16] organization. She wanted to hurt another

[23:18] organization

[23:20] simply because I was going to be present

[23:22] a small organization when weighed

[23:24] against her her power her connection.

[23:26] White House was making phone calls

[23:29] because she doesn't like me. She

[23:31] explicitly told people that it was, and

[23:34] I quote, a woke Reich event. That's a

[23:38] term that I first heard come out of

[23:39] BBNet and Yahoo's mouth for clarity. I

[23:41] remember that. The woke Reich, we got to

[23:42] come after. He had all the American

[23:45] influencers around him. It is not a term

[23:48] that Charlie Kirk ever used. So, it's

[23:51] been difficult uh knowing that, then

[23:53] having to watch her publicly pretend

[23:55] that she doesn't get involved, that she

[23:57] doesn't play petty politics or know

[23:59] what's happening. She's too busy

[24:00] working.

[24:02] It was part and parcel of my assessment

[24:04] that she's a psychopath because that's

[24:06] that's really fake. She watches

[24:08] everything. She watches every moment.

[24:10] She watches me and she has been

[24:12] directing the attacks against me since

[24:14] the beginning alongside Andrew Kovat

[24:17] who's now gone masked down before I was

[24:19] even aware. Right. I presumed these

[24:21] people were allies and then I found out

[24:22] thanks to them firing a bunch of people

[24:25] that they were calling the shots. They

[24:27] knew I was going to be a problem from

[24:28] the very beginning because I I'm not

[24:29] going to get in line with an absurd

[24:30] narrative. I need to know the truth

[24:31] about what happened to Charlie Kirk.

[24:33] Okay. Now, I want to also make it clear.

[24:35] I have never done that. I've never

[24:37] engaged in that. I have never made

[24:38] personal phone calls and asked

[24:40] influencers to support me. I've never

[24:42] asked people to not attend any Turning

[24:44] Point events. To the contrary, and dare

[24:46] I say, true to the philosophy which was

[24:48] held deeply by Charlie Kirk himself, I

[24:49] think people should go and debate these

[24:51] people. If you have a disagreement, as

[24:53] Charlotte and I said repeatedly on many

[24:55] stages, you should be welcomed to the

[24:57] front of the line. But this is a brand

[24:59] new organization since his passing. One

[25:00] that makes personal and public calls to

[25:04] my advertisers to be dropped. I mean, so

[25:07] rich that they're like, "You're a comm

[25:09] you're a commie, Candace." They someone

[25:11] tweeted, I think their COO, this is

[25:13] Maria Marina Mina, tweeted that the

[25:15] other day. going, you guys are literally

[25:17] responding to the free markets by saying

[25:19] the free markets need to be stopped and

[25:21] making private phone calls to

[25:23] advertisers.

[25:25] This is an organization that now

[25:27] believes that words are violence, right?

[25:29] That questioning Erica means that you

[25:32] are inviting people to murder her in

[25:34] utter nonsense. I will say it until I am

[25:36] blew in the face. I want no harm to come

[25:38] not only to Erica Kirk, to anybody at

[25:40] Turning Point USA, not Andrew Kovet, not

[25:42] Blake Nef as we discuss these people.

[25:45] I'm comfortable with them discussing me.

[25:47] Um, I want answers. I don't want anybody

[25:49] to be hurt.

[25:51] I wish only for the absolute truth to

[25:54] surface about who really killed my

[25:57] friend Charlie Kirk and why. Again, that

[25:59] should make us natural allies. For some

[26:00] reason, it does not.

[26:03] But I have to say that I did genuinely

[26:04] appreciate the article which was dropped

[26:06] in the Daily Mail. It arrived as a

[26:08] breath of fresh air because this is we

[26:11] get to see the real Erica. Here is the

[26:13] extraordinary headline. Erica hates

[26:16] Candace Owens. She thinks she's the

[26:17] ugliest person in the world. A soulless

[26:19] ghoul. Charlie Kirk's family reveal

[26:21] widow's private tirades against the

[26:23] podcaster that she refers to as that bi.

[26:28] Not going to curse here.

[26:31] So, for clarity, a ghoul in Middle

[26:33] Eastern folklore is a demonic being that

[26:36] haunts burial grounds and deserted

[26:38] places. Traditionally, these creatures

[26:40] were said to have the ability to

[26:41] shapeshift to lure travelers into the

[26:44] desert and to consume the flesh of both

[26:46] children and the dead.

[26:48] It's a strong occult start to what is

[26:51] sure to be a promising article. It's

[26:54] kind of how we felt about the people

[26:56] surrounding Charlie.

[26:59] soul suckers a little bit, right?

[27:02] And for those of you that are wondering

[27:03] if the story is actually attributable,

[27:04] meaning like, is this just a gossip

[27:06] piece in the Daily Mail? You would do

[27:07] well to remember that Turning Point USA

[27:09] turned to the Daily Mail exclusively to

[27:12] clean up their Charlie GPT Aspen mess.

[27:14] They gave them special access to see the

[27:17] unedited clip that the public still has

[27:19] not seen so that their journalists could

[27:21] then turn and tell the world, "You can

[27:22] trust the video totally exists. It's

[27:24] real. Charlie really did pick Erica to

[27:26] run the company in the event of his

[27:28] untimely death, which unfortunately just

[27:30] so happened to transpire just three

[27:32] short weeks later. Remember that they

[27:34] went to the Daily Mail. So that

[27:36] demonstrates a real PR relationship

[27:39] between Turning Point USA and the Mail.

[27:40] And as another point, the author of this

[27:42] piece reached out to Turning Point's

[27:44] spoke spokespeople for comment and they

[27:46] declined to give a comment. That is an

[27:50] opportunity for them to issue a

[27:51] statement saying, "This is not true. We

[27:52] have no idea what you're talking about."

[27:53] out. Instead, they just declined to add

[27:54] to the article. So, we can assume this

[27:56] is real. And they list a family friend

[27:59] as a source initially and then elsewhere

[28:01] in the article they say a family member.

[28:02] At the beginning, it says a a family

[28:04] friend.

[28:06] I think that's probably going to be a

[28:07] Tracy Martinesque character. Uh given

[28:10] the fact that she's the one person that

[28:12] I know that's close to Erica, is a

[28:15] friend, and is also close to Erica's

[28:16] family, meaning namely Lori. Um she's

[28:19] actually the only person that I know. My

[28:22] guess would be Tracy Martin because

[28:23] she's also been the driver behind other

[28:25] wacky pieces that US magazine one. But

[28:27] who knows? That's not the point. It

[28:29] doesn't really matter. We don't have to

[28:30] speculate as to who the family friend

[28:31] is. Let's just stick with the facts.

[28:33] Okay. So, the piece opens up by letting

[28:36] us know that Erica has remarkable

[28:39] compassion for Tyler Robinson and his

[28:42] family. I kid you not. It says, quote,

[28:44] "When Erica arrived in a tiny Utah

[28:46] courtroom earlier this m this month to

[28:48] face her husband's alleged killer, she

[28:51] expected to be overcome with rage. It

[28:52] was the first time she had come face to

[28:54] face with Tyler Robinson, the man

[28:55] accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk at

[28:58] the speaking event at Utah Valley

[29:00] University 10 months ago. And yet, in

[29:02] place of anger, Erica instead felt an

[29:04] overwhelming sense of sadness,

[29:07] compassion even for 23-year-old Robinson

[29:10] and his family." According to two

[29:12] sources that are close to the Kirks,

[29:14] quote, "She was really concerned about

[29:16] being in the same room as him. She

[29:18] didn't know what she was going to feel.

[29:19] She said that a lot." One family friend

[29:21] exclusively told the Daily Mail she

[29:23] thought that she was really going to be

[29:24] angry and mad to really hate him, but

[29:26] she didn't. She just felt really sad.

[29:29] Overwhelming sadness is what she called

[29:31] it. It made her grieve even more. She

[29:33] She didn't want to fight with him or his

[29:35] family. She said she almost felt

[29:37] compassion for Tyler Robinson and

[29:39] definitely for his family because it's

[29:41] just so sad that two families were

[29:44] destroyed on that day.

[29:46] So compassion for Tyler Robinson again,

[29:50] she felt it instantly in her uh in the

[29:52] aftermath. You could say she

[29:54] demonstrated forgiveness im immediately

[29:56] at least. And now she's demonstrating it

[29:58] again in a courtroom with him. And by

[30:00] the way, I echo that sentiment because I

[30:03] feel like the entire world knows that he

[30:04] didn't commit this crime. So, how kind

[30:06] of Erica to feel compassion for the

[30:07] person that they are considering

[30:10] murdering, to be clear, for something

[30:12] that he didn't do. I haven't seen any

[30:15] convincing evidence that Tyler Robinson

[30:17] committed this crime. So, compassion

[30:19] would be the right thing to feel. I want

[30:23] you to understand that, by the way,

[30:24] these influencers are calling for the

[30:27] murder of an innocent man. We we should

[30:31] deeply understand that. Okay? Tyler

[30:33] Robinson will receive the death penalt

[30:36] penalty if he is found guilty. So I

[30:38] think I found your soul as ghouls,

[30:40] Erica. It's unimaginable to me to call

[30:42] for the execution of an innocent man

[30:45] without literal overwhelming evidence

[30:49] after the public execution of another

[30:51] innocent man. When they say these

[30:54] statements like case closed on the basis

[30:57] of one hearing where we are shown

[30:59] nothing close to concrete evidence or

[31:02] when they pretend that they are being

[31:04] submerged, overwhelmed. That is

[31:06] precisely what they are doing. It is so

[31:08] evil. They are calling for the state to

[31:11] murder Tyler Robinson.

[31:14] I want you to put that in your mind when

[31:16] you read it. They want Tyler Robinson to

[31:18] be murdered. Case closed. Murder Tyler

[31:21] Robinson. That's what they're saying.

[31:23] Sick. It's really sick and it's truly

[31:25] evil. What would make you call for that?

[31:28] It would It just It sickens me that so

[31:30] many people who I once respected are

[31:32] engaging in that guilty before innocent,

[31:35] right? Guilty before proven innocent.

[31:40] Then of course after this compassion

[31:41] that she displays there was a dramatic

[31:43] shift in the article and she talks about

[31:44] quote unquote conspiracy theories after

[31:47] um dealing detailing that compassion for

[31:49] the man that she herself said she was

[31:52] certain killed her husband. That's what

[31:54] she said to Barry Weiss. Remember that

[31:57] she was wholly confident that this man

[31:59] killed her husband because she has

[32:02] access to the evidence.

[32:04] Here is how she then flips and describes

[32:06] her feelings toward me. someone who is

[32:10] trying to find the true killer.

[32:14] The article reads, quote, "That bridge

[32:15] is burned between Erica and Candace."

[32:17] "It's more than burned. It's been blown

[32:18] up. There's no reason for Erica to ever

[32:20] speak to Candace again, ever." The

[32:22] family member said, "Candice decided to

[32:24] make this her identity. It's a grab for

[32:26] attention, building her name and her

[32:29] brand and making some money off of it.

[32:31] That's what Erica thinks." Oh, brand

[32:35] being built. No, Erica, I had a name and

[32:39] I had a brand before Charlie Kirk was

[32:41] assassinated. In fact, me and your

[32:43] husband built our names and our brands

[32:45] alongside each other and apart from each

[32:47] other. The world didn't know your name

[32:50] until he died. You attempted to build

[32:52] your brand thereafter, and you made an

[32:55] incalculable amount of money in the

[32:57] process. Do we all need a refresher on

[32:59] the things that she was willing to sell?

[33:03] the photos, the bloody mic in front of

[33:06] donors, the taken in front of it, the

[33:07] bloodied temp tent, people taking

[33:09] selfies under it. It took just three

[33:11] weeks after Charlie's assassination for

[33:13] Erica to file for three trademarks,

[33:15] granting her the right to his name on

[33:18] t-shirts, tote bags, any and all

[33:20] clothing. Three trademarks. And those

[33:24] freedom shirts, which were sold

[33:25] immediately, remember, everyone wanted a

[33:27] freedom shirt. They were actually very

[33:28] costly. Those were not sold through the

[33:30] charitable arm. Okay. Former employees

[33:32] have confirmed to me that those profits

[33:34] profits went straight to Charlie Kirk

[33:36] Show LLC.

[33:38] So that's for her personal profit. Once

[33:40] upon a time, Charlie told me Andrew

[33:41] Kovette owned a piece of that company,

[33:43] too. Andrew Kovett's personal profit for

[33:45] Charlie. And of course, it wasn't for

[33:49] Charlie.

[33:50] So, as a refresher, I already had a

[33:52] name. I already had a brand. I was

[33:54] already being sued by the president of

[33:55] France. I think I was actually known

[33:57] globally. What did I sell when Charlie

[33:59] died? How many trademarks did I file? It

[34:01] is wild to me, okay, that this article

[34:05] goes on and states, quote, "Erica is

[34:08] really offended that Candace would use

[34:10] her husband's death to make a buck to

[34:13] get attention, to get clout, whatever it

[34:15] is. She's offended." That's her focus,

[34:17] guys. Once again, all Erica cares about

[34:22] is money and brand and merchandise.

[34:25] That's what she's angry about. It's such

[34:27] an unbelievable thing for her to share,

[34:29] for someone to say that. She's upset.

[34:30] She thinks Candace is making money. She

[34:32] just doesn't have enough of it.

[34:33] Apparently, they can't make enough of

[34:35] the money off of Charlie's death. So,

[34:37] what she's concerned with is whether or

[34:38] not I'm making any additional money

[34:40] while I while I try to figure out who

[34:42] killed her husband. So, let me make this

[34:43] perfectly clear again. Erica, please

[34:46] listen to me. When Charlie died, we had

[34:49] already signed all of our advertising

[34:52] agreements through not just at the end

[34:54] of last year, 2025, but through to Q1 of

[34:56] this year. So, what that means, I don't

[34:58] really think you're well versed in

[34:59] business, is that not a single

[35:01] additional advertiser was brought onto

[35:03] this platform and no existing

[35:05] advertisers had their rates raised.

[35:07] Okay? We didn't make money in

[35:09] advertising. We sold zero products. You

[35:12] remember all of the influencers, they

[35:14] raced to put his name, his face on cups,

[35:17] on t-shirts. We're going to share

[35:18] proceeds with Erica. We're going to do

[35:20] this. We all want to fight Charlie blah

[35:22] blah blah. The same influencers who are

[35:24] now selling you the fed slop about how

[35:26] he died. We didn't engage any of that.

[35:29] No, we were actually grieving. To the

[35:31] stark contrary, we sold nothing with

[35:35] Charlie's face. No memorabilia. Not a

[35:37] single item was sold by us in the

[35:39] aftermath of his death. everyone racing

[35:42] to commemorate him by making money for

[35:44] themselves. And I would point out that

[35:46] in our tribute episode to Charlie, our

[35:49] our biggest episode by views ever,

[35:53] we sold um and consequentially read zero

[35:58] ads. Zero. None. Go back and watch it.

[36:00] It's still up to my friend Charlie Kirk.

[36:02] No ad reads, nothing sold

[36:05] for the public. Our show before Charlie

[36:08] died was already in the top 10 globally,

[36:11] sitting above the Charlie Kirk podcast.

[36:13] And every single episode of our new

[36:15] podcast since we launched it back in

[36:17] 2024 has averaged well above a million

[36:20] views. Go back and check that. So what

[36:22] is it, Erica, that you are actually

[36:24] upset about? Really ask yourself that

[36:26] question, okay? Because time and time

[36:29] again, you keep reminding people that

[36:31] all you care about is money and brand

[36:33] and merchandising.

[36:36] But I have to tell you, it is the way

[36:37] this article concludes that is just

[36:39] stunning to me. It continues, quote,

[36:42] Erica says she's not going to give that

[36:44] woman an ounce of her energy. Kind of

[36:46] looks like I'm getting a lot of it right

[36:47] now,

[36:49] but sometimes she just can't help

[36:51] herself, and she'll just sort of explode

[36:53] the tirade. She hates her Candace more

[36:57] than she hates her political opponents.

[37:00] Who are your political opponents, Erica?

[37:02] Who are your political opponents? Who

[37:04] are you? Who are you? You're some beauty

[37:08] pageant wife who took over the reigns of

[37:10] Charlie's company

[37:13] telling us a story that this just he he

[37:14] wanted it in the end but just couldn't

[37:16] put it in documents.

[37:18] Who are you to think that you have

[37:20] political opponents?

[37:22] It continues, "At least with them, she

[37:25] knew where she stood. They didn't

[37:28] exactly betray her like Candace did.

[37:30] Candace did her so dirty. I think at

[37:32] this point Erica likes even Tyler

[37:35] Robinson more than she likes Candace.

[37:41] End quote.

[37:44] [snorts]

[37:45] Yeah, Erica,

[37:46] that's that's what Truski and everybody

[37:49] who's been speaking about this has been

[37:51] getting at. That's why people think

[37:54] there's something wrong with you because

[37:56] you meant this article to be a smackdown

[37:59] of me, but all it did was further reveal

[38:03] your character. You have been on a wild

[38:06] pursuit of fame and fortune your entire

[38:09] life. You started doing pageantss, I

[38:11] think we showed when you were like 12,

[38:14] okay, sixth grade maybe, and you have

[38:16] not stopped wanting to be in the

[38:18] spotlight. Every person you have dated

[38:19] has has had some degree of fame. and you

[38:22] saw Charlie as your ticket to more fame

[38:26] and then you finally got it in your view

[38:29] when you walked out in a white pants

[38:30] suit with sparklers behind you and you

[38:33] sucked all of that in. That was it. That

[38:35] was the moment we look back at those

[38:37] photos of people at the memorial. I have

[38:39] never seen such glee and such happiness.

[38:44] You clinkedked glasses. You guys then

[38:45] went to a restaurant. You celebrated

[38:48] finally Erica. finally for you.

[38:52] After decades of trying, you had made it

[38:55] into the spotlight and everybody loved

[38:57] you. Brand merchandising shirts. You got

[39:00] on that Zoom call. The sales have been

[39:03] crazy. 50,000 shirts sold

[39:06] and kicked back into the LLC

[39:10] that me and the Charlie Kirk show people

[39:12] own for Charlie. For Charlie.

[39:16] And then it all came crashing down

[39:17] because maybe Charlie had an actual

[39:21] friend.

[39:23] That's what's annoying me. I'm the

[39:26] renegade. I'm the one thing. He had an

[39:29] actual friend who wasn't content to sell

[39:31] a t-shirt and move on and then sell some

[39:34] fed slop and move on because the price

[39:36] was right. That's what you're upset

[39:38] about, Erica. Money and fame. There is

[39:41] no substance in this article because

[39:42] there is no substance in you. And that's

[39:45] my opinion, not a call for you to get

[39:47] hurt, but me demonstrating that you have

[39:50] a character flaw that you are not even

[39:52] aware of.

[39:54] We'll be right back after a brief break.

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[42:49] So what is Turning Point USA Erica

[42:52] France planning now? They're very angry.

[42:55] That is obvious. The influencers are

[42:57] angry because they are losing. And they

[42:58] are losing not because they didn't have

[43:00] enough money, not because they didn't

[43:03] have enough people who were willing to

[43:05] sell their souls and make videos and try

[43:07] to hypnotize the public into believing

[43:11] anything but their own eyes. Well, I

[43:14] noticed something. Three times I just

[43:16] said, "This is very weird." And

[43:17] suddenly, as soon as the Tyler Robinson

[43:20] trial began, these same influencers who

[43:23] have been attacking me are all raising

[43:27] the matter of Sandy Hook. It's very

[43:29] strange. I'll show you this. Seth Dylan,

[43:31] resident liar, Hampton's guy. He writes,

[43:33] "The main reason Alex Jones was held

[43:35] liable was not that he questioned an

[43:37] official narrative. It was that he

[43:38] repeatedly and callously made false

[43:40] accusations about specific people. He

[43:44] claimed the Sandy Hook shooting was

[43:45] staged, that the grieving parents were

[43:47] crisis actors, and that they were

[43:48] knowingly participating in fraud. His

[43:50] false claims made for clicks and fame

[43:52] were damaging, severe understatement,

[43:55] and led to harassment and threats

[43:57] against grieving innocent people. So,

[43:58] his protected opinion defense failed.

[44:01] The First Amendment protects the right

[44:02] to criticize events and to criticize

[44:04] official accounts, but does not provide

[44:06] blanket immunity for defamation. Oh, how

[44:10] interesting. Seth Dylan from the

[44:12] Hamptons. This feels like a bit of

[44:13] foretelling to me. This is how these

[44:15] people operate. You always know what is

[44:17] coming down the pipeline because they

[44:19] just start signaling.

[44:21] Today, Tim P tweets, if you want to get

[44:24] amplified on YouTube and X, all you need

[44:26] to do is claim the official story of

[44:27] Charlie Kirk's assassination is a cover

[44:29] up and there's a conspiracy. Why is

[44:31] social media amplifying this so much?

[44:33] Why does big tech want this narrative to

[44:35] be front and center? I don't think they

[44:37] do. I think the majority of people

[44:38] believe this, Tim. He goes on, "Alex

[44:40] Jones made claims about Sandy Hook and

[44:42] he was destroyed. His company was sold

[44:44] off to try to humiliate him. What is the

[44:46] difference here? You can claim one story

[44:48] is true, but the other results in your

[44:50] company's total annihilation. YouTube

[44:52] has rules around conspiracy,

[44:53] specifically they restrict conspiracy

[44:55] claims and amplify what they call

[44:57] authoritative news sources. Why is

[44:59] YouTube boosting these videos in the

[45:01] algorithm? Why does the machine want

[45:03] this narrative so badly? Contrast this

[45:05] with CO, you'd get demonetized instantly

[45:07] if you talked about CO in the early

[45:09] days. We couldn't even read news reports

[45:11] about uh out of China that discussed the

[45:13] basics. He's basically saying state,

[45:15] where are you? Where are you state? What

[45:18] is the state going to do about the fact

[45:21] that people are using their common

[45:22] sense? So now we are going to tie it to

[45:25] children being murdered in Connecticut.

[45:29] And he wasn't the only one. Again, this

[45:30] is all happening. Tyler Robinson trial.

[45:33] They're all talking about Sandy Hook.

[45:35] Blake Nef was on a Twitter space and he

[45:38] similar similarly and specifically

[45:40] compared me to Alex Jones and Sandy

[45:43] Hook. This is a talking point that is

[45:44] being distributed and it's a dangerous

[45:46] one. Take a listen to what he had to

[45:47] say.

[45:48] Nothing compares remotely to the fact

[45:51] that Candace Owens has spent a sustained

[45:54] 10 months making effectively every

[45:57] episode of her show finding some new way

[46:01] to target Erica, target turning point,

[46:05] target other people who are in the

[46:06] Turning Point universe, target random

[46:09] family members of theirs has happened at

[46:10] times for 10 months in pursuit of a

[46:14] conspiracy theory that has literally

[46:16] never had anything to back it up. Like

[46:19] it it is it inspires comment and notice

[46:23] because there really is essentially

[46:25] nothing like it that I can recall in my

[46:27] lifetime. Like even even as a

[46:29] comparison, even the stuff with the

[46:31] Sandy Hook parents, that was the stuff a

[46:33] few people ran with. And I I just don't

[46:34] think it ever like Alex Jones got sued

[46:36] for it. I don't think Alex Jones made

[46:38] that the only subject of the show for a

[46:40] 10-month period. Uh and that's what's

[46:42] happened here. I I just have never seen

[46:44] anything like it in my life.

[46:46] >> Again, they are priming the public to

[46:50] see that this is just like Sandy Hook.

[46:52] This is no different. I've never se It's

[46:54] actually almost worse than what Alex

[46:55] Jones did because he didn't go on for 10

[46:58] months. You know what, Blake? I don't

[46:59] think Alex Jones lost a child at Sandy

[47:01] Hook. He probably would have gone harder

[47:03] in the paint. When you know someone

[47:05] that's involved, you go harder, okay?

[47:08] That's just that's just the reality of

[47:10] things. I care deeply, okay? because I

[47:13] came up along Charlie. And if Charlie's

[47:14] not safe in the political space, neither

[47:16] am I. Certainly not with you guys

[47:18] speaking like this. That also was the

[47:20] point of the NCRI um NCRI report. That

[47:24] report is not going to be used in as

[47:26] evidence. Look, harassment, that is what

[47:29] they took Alex Jones down for. He said

[47:31] something which he has apologized before

[47:33] and said was wrong. He he speculated

[47:34] that the children didn't actually die

[47:36] that day. And then they came after him

[47:38] for emotional harassment, stress,

[47:40] whatever the claims were. And they sued

[47:43] him and won for $1.4 billion,

[47:46] effectively ending his Infowars

[47:49] platform, suing him into bankruptcy.

[47:52] And I want to be clear, they're also

[47:54] putting people on their show to say, you

[47:57] know, Erica's just like the parents at

[47:59] um Sandy Hook. That's this is the

[48:02] priming. They all know something that we

[48:04] don't know. They're not all kind of

[48:05] going back to Sandy Hook for no reason.

[48:07] Here is Viva Frey on the Charlie Kirk

[48:08] show. Take a listen.

[48:10] >> We're living in a world where people

[48:11] have sort of gotten back into the realm

[48:13] of the Alex Jones Infowars Sandy Hook

[48:16] level psychotic conspiracy everywhere.

[48:20] Where now people are saying, "All right,

[48:22] I believe everything we're being told is

[48:24] a lie, so I'm going to not believe

[48:26] anything except for that which I've

[48:27] convinced myself of already." I don't

[48:30] know if Tyler Robinson pulled the

[48:31] trigger. I don't know if he was on the

[48:33] roof and he was the one who who fired

[48:35] the gun. I know what the preliminary

[48:37] evidence looks like right now and I know

[48:39] what's being juiced at the preliminary

[48:41] hearing. But the insane conspiracy

[48:44] theories that are being floated that are

[48:46] implicating everyone and anyone involved

[48:50] that are unsubstantiated and

[48:52] unfalsifiable in their vagueness. I

[48:54] mean, I I I'm seeing Sandy Hook 2.0

[48:57] recurring right now. I appreciate there

[49:00] are some issues with the prosecution.

[49:03] There's some issues with the

[49:04] investigation and there's some issues

[49:05] with the evidence like I can fine. I can

[49:07] appreciate that. But to go from there to

[49:09] say that it's exploding microphones,

[49:12] Israel did it. And not that Israel might

[49:14] not Israel might have had a hand in

[49:17] this, but until you can provide the

[49:19] slightest shred of evidence other than I

[49:21] can divine an intention or a motive, you

[49:24] have to admit that from the evidence

[49:26] that you have right now, if you have a

[49:27] more plausible theory than the one being

[49:29] presented, which is Tyler Robinson was

[49:31] on the roof, took the shot, had the

[49:33] rifle, had the moment, had the

[49:34] opportunity, if you have a more

[49:36] plausible theory to present, you can go

[49:38] ahead and present it, but you don't get

[49:40] to manufacture facts out of whole cloth.

[49:43] off.

[49:45] >> This is sure for sure foreshadowing.

[49:49] This is like this is like the this kind

[49:51] of dark psychiatry. Um I'm I'm well

[49:54] accustomed to this. They they are

[49:55] getting ahead of something. Okay, they

[49:57] know something and they're priming the

[49:59] public to think this is just like when

[50:01] elementary school children died and Alex

[50:04] Jones had to be sued. And it is deeply

[50:07] ironic and almost sick that that is

[50:09] being platformed on what is still being

[50:11] called the Charlie Kirk show because let

[50:14] me tell you what the namesake Charlie

[50:17] Kirk himself had to say about people who

[50:21] call for lawsuits and for people to be

[50:23] bankrupted

[50:25] because they don't like speech. Here is

[50:27] Charlie Kirk regarding that specific

[50:28] Alex Jones lawsuit.

[50:31] Alex Jones was patient zero

[50:35] for the censorship regime back in 2018

[50:38] and now Alex Jones is patient zero for

[50:42] lawfare

[50:44] strategies to be able to shut people up

[50:46] that they don't like. Is Alex Jones

[50:48] outlandish? Of course he is. He's a

[50:50] quasi entertainer. That's one of the

[50:52] reasons why he's so popular. But Alex

[50:54] Jones has been right about a lot of

[50:55] things.

[50:59] And so people say, "Well, don't talk

[51:00] about it, you know, stay away from it."

[51:02] I learned my lesson. I I I learned my

[51:03] lesson what happens when I stay quiet

[51:04] and I listen to these people. I'm not

[51:06] going to put up with another bad

[51:07] precedent being set because I'm told

[51:09] that I should hate Alex Jones.

[51:12] He's he's outlandish. He's wild.

[51:16] He's entertaining. I don't agree with

[51:18] them on everything.

[51:21] They're doing this to be able to show as

[51:24] it's a spectacle.

[51:27] And some people say, 'Look, Charlie,

[51:30] this isn't about the regime doing a

[51:32] spectacle. It's about the families of

[51:33] murdered kids.

[51:35] I think it's I think it's not right what

[51:37] Alex Jones said and what he did. He

[51:39] agrees with that. Should you be able to

[51:41] shut somebody up because of it? Rachel

[51:43] Matto accused One American News Network

[51:48] of being funded by the Russian

[51:49] government and a judge tossed that away

[51:51] because under free speech provisions

[51:54] a billion dollars.

[51:57] We're going to talk about this in the

[51:59] next segment throughout the hour. This

[52:01] also is an opportunity that I hope all

[52:04] of you take.

[52:06] Watch carefully today. The podcasts you

[52:09] listen to, the radio shows you consume,

[52:12] the TV shows you watch.

[52:14] This is a scorecard moment.

[52:17] If your favorite conservative

[52:19] commentator

[52:20] is silent on Alex Jones, that is very

[52:24] telling. Lawyers for the Sandy Hook

[52:26] families say a verdict will send a

[52:30] signal to other conspiracy purveyors

[52:33] about the cost of online lies and set in

[52:35] motion a chain of events that could shut

[52:38] info wars down.

[52:42] So basically the New York Times is

[52:44] saying this is a lot bigger than just

[52:46] Alex Jones. And you might be out there

[52:47] and say I hate Alex Jones and he's a

[52:49] whackadoodle and all this sort of stuff.

[52:52] Look at the bigger picture. Have you

[52:54] learned nothing about how these people

[52:56] operate?

[52:58] Conspiracy purveyor. Who exactly is

[52:59] that? You know who the conspiracy

[53:00] purveyors are? Every single one of those

[53:02] mockingb bird maniacs on television that

[53:04] was telling us Donald Trump is a Russian

[53:06] agent. You're the conspiracy theorist.

[53:08] But they'll never be held accountable.

[53:10] No. What they mean by conspiracy

[53:11] theorist is someone who asks questions

[53:14] against the core tenants as Fred

[53:16] Friedrich Nichze the pieties that you

[53:19] can't ask like election integrity or the

[53:21] alphabet mafia.

[53:26] There he is, you guys, in his own words

[53:30] on his own show, his namesake, the

[53:32] Charlie Kirk show, which used to

[53:34] represent Charlie Kirk's ideas. And now

[53:37] we have these pathetic people who are an

[53:41] extension of the state, the very state

[53:42] that Charlie was trying to fight, the

[53:45] surveillance states, the totalitarian

[53:48] state, people that then use the state to

[53:52] punish people with lawsuits.

[53:55] How dare they? How dared they do it with

[53:59] his name below in the banner. The

[54:01] Charlie Kirk show is now using the same

[54:05] logic that we believe that what happened

[54:08] in Sandy, this is like akin to Sandy

[54:10] Hook. People are being harassed. They

[54:11] are signaling that this is their last

[54:14] desperate ploy. Mark my words. We'll end

[54:17] this with a Charlie Kirk tweet so we

[54:20] know exactly how he felt about this. He

[54:24] wrote, "The lawyers behind the sham

[54:26] billion-dollar verdict against Alex

[54:27] Jones are now trying to seize his

[54:29] personal social media accounts in

[54:30] bankruptcy. This was never about justice

[54:33] for Sandy Hook families," or whatever

[54:34] excuse they gave. The lawsuits against

[54:36] Jones have always been about finding a

[54:37] way to censor and destroy a person that

[54:39] the left hates and then using that

[54:41] blueprint on everybody else. You were

[54:43] right. Except, Charlie, wherever you

[54:45] are, you would be proud to know that for

[54:46] once, the left and the right are united.

[54:49] We are united against the state of

[54:51] whatever the hell Turning Point USA has

[54:53] become because we know it's not you. We

[54:55] know it's not what you represented. And

[54:57] we think it's why you didn't after you

[54:59] passed the energy. It didn't stay there

[55:01] because how could it? You would detest

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[57:02] Okay, top comments from yesterday's

[57:03] episode. This one really made me

[57:05] chuckle. It came from Soggy Sunflower.

[57:07] They wrote, "Frank Turk, quote, I would

[57:09] have gotten away with it if it weren't

[57:11] for that meddling Frank Turk." I sent

[57:13] that to the team. I said, "We have to

[57:14] turn that into a meme because that is

[57:17] spot-on with Frank Turk." And here it

[57:19] is. He would have gotten away with it if

[57:21] it wasn't for that meddling Frank Turk.

[57:24] [laughter] He's very angry at his past

[57:26] self. It's a lot to deal with. Um, and

[57:28] then the second biggest comment that we

[57:30] had, top comment was, "Canis is

[57:32] literally having to do Cash Patel's job

[57:33] because he won't do it himself." I got

[57:36] an idea about why he won't do it

[57:37] himself. Comments from today's episode,

[57:39] True Detective writes, "Regarding the

[57:40] Franklin scandal." We mentioned that

[57:42] yesterday. Watch the 1993 documentary

[57:44] entitled Conspiracy of Silence. It was

[57:47] supposed to air on the Discovery

[57:48] Channel, but was pulled from the

[57:49] schedule. Black magic is real. Not just

[57:51] in horror novels like Falling Angel by

[57:54] uh William Hortsburg or The God at Dusk

[57:57] by Anand Bosmia. I absolutely know that

[58:00] black magic is real. Um we've been

[58:02] speaking about the occult on this show

[58:03] for a while. It is it is extraordinarily

[58:06] real. And for a very long time,

[58:08] Hollywood had people thinking it was

[58:09] just hocus pocus. It's not. And um yeah,

[58:12] I I hope that I've done a good job of

[58:14] making people understand that. And thank

[58:16] you for that uh documentary

[58:18] recommendation. Ryan Graange writes,

[58:20] "Please make this make sense." Quote, "I

[58:22] forgive you." To the alleged killer to

[58:24] quote, "Happiness comes and goes. I hope

[58:25] you find it." To the heckler calling her

[58:27] a pedal protector. To quote, "Candice is

[58:30] a bee." Make that make sense. Candace,

[58:32] please go absolutely Max. It's time to

[58:34] drop all of the receipts. Why not? Zamit

[58:37] writes, "We the people refuse to allow

[58:40] our America's beating heart to have

[58:42] ceased on 910 2025 at 12:23 p.m." Yeah,

[58:46] I mean, it's going to be a fight. I I I

[58:47] sense it. You can see it building. The

[58:49] anger that they have is building. And

[58:52] it's like when nothing is left and you

[58:53] start talking about Sandy Hook. I feel

[58:55] like there's just the writing's on the

[58:57] wall, right? They're going to they're

[58:59] going to really burn down Charlie's

[59:00] legacy to the ground. They're going to

[59:02] become the very thing that he fought

[59:05] because perhaps they always were the

[59:07] very thing that he was fighting that was

[59:08] surrounding him. Perhaps. Think while

[59:11] it's still legal.

[59:13] Uh the warrior writes, "I respect you

[59:15] for what you do and I admire your

[59:17] bravery. Thank you guys. And it is like

[59:19] I said many times during uh that healing

[59:24] process. I may have showed up here but I

[59:26] was not doing okay. I feel like it

[59:28] wasn't until this recent trip to Spain

[59:29] that I feel like myself and like I'm

[59:31] ready to fight again. And like I

[59:34] survived whatever that was which was

[59:36] just being fought every second of every

[59:38] day for trying to get answers to what

[59:40] happened to Charlie by this apparatus of

[59:43] evil. really an apparatus of evil that

[59:45] just attacked every layer of my life

[59:46] while talk about you know striking you

[59:50] the the expression crying out while they

[59:53] strike you literally are we kidding do

[59:56] we have that Laura Loomer somebody just

[59:57] tweeted this like just to show the

[00:00] psychosis of Laura Loomer here's 591

[00:03] Laura Loomer posts talking about at real

[00:05] Candace O and he followed this up by

[00:08] saying that's just what was digitally

[00:10] possible to fit onto a screen like he

[00:12] could this is this is He just posted

[00:14] this and then he showed how like 45 of

[00:17] them were happening in just one evening

[00:20] and she's just one person. This is the

[00:22] person that's then retweeted by Ben

[00:24] Shapiro's lawyer who's been suing me for

[00:25] three years who's now suing me on behalf

[00:27] of Brian Harpole. Like I this is how

[00:29] this has been my life and I have not

[00:30] complained. I have not played the

[00:32] victim. I have not asked people to put

[00:34] together bogus reports about digital

[00:36] assassins.

[00:38] Have I had to up my security?

[00:40] Absolutely. Does anybody care about the

[00:41] death threats I get? people that were

[00:43] putting up my children's cars, Laura

[00:46] Loomer, who was doing that did. And they

[00:47] just pretend like I'm not a person full

[00:50] time. These people are dedicated, these

[00:52] accounts are dedicated to just attacking

[00:54] Candace Owens all day, every day while

[00:57] she's investigating a murder. That's it.

[01:01] Okay. Asking meaningful questions. Do we

[01:03] get it right all the time? No. Do we

[01:04] want to get it right? Yeah. That's why

[01:06] we want still to have an open forum with

[01:08] all of these people. You know, Erica,

[01:11] the feeling is not mutual. I don't hate

[01:13] you. I don't hate you. I

[01:17] I just don't feel that way. I can't

[01:19] muster that emotion for you. So, I don't

[01:21] feel that way about Blake Nef. I don't

[01:23] feel that way about Andrew Kovette. I

[01:25] hate what they are doing to Charlie's

[01:27] legacy. I hate that they will not just

[01:31] come hands open and sit down and do an

[01:33] open forum. I resent that. I resent that

[01:36] they won't do exactly what Charlie would

[01:37] have done. But I can't change that. I

[01:40] can just keep asking questions and keep

[01:42] Charlie's memory alive until we get

[01:44] answers that make sense that don't

[01:45] include naked men on the roof. Um, and

[01:48] then forgetting about those themes and

[01:50] moving on and calling everybody else the

[01:51] conspiracy theorists.

[01:54] Honey Butter writes, "My husband says

[01:56] it's definitely a glove that is used to

[01:59] dee alcohol to scrub Charlie's body.

[02:02] That's what my husband uses at work with

[02:03] his woodworking and his gloves look

[02:05] exactly like that when he is done. We

[02:06] love you, Candace. praying always God is

[02:09] in your corner. Um that's very

[02:11] interesting. As always, if you guys have

[02:13] any tips, people who might have more

[02:15] photos of the scene that day,

[02:16] particularly what took place at

[02:17] Temponogos, if we can tighten that

[02:19] timeline, that would be very helpful. We

[02:21] have we are now hearing from um people

[02:24] who worked at other parts of the

[02:25] hospital saying that their computers

[02:27] were shut down for six hours. Um that's

[02:30] crazy. That's makes no sense. They all

[02:33] feel like something strange happened on

[02:34] that day. the people that have reached

[02:36] out, not everyone. Um, more tips at

[02:38] candace owens.com. If you know anything,

[02:42] uh, have more photos that we can

[02:43] display. If you caught something, if you

[02:45] are a federal government agent and you

[02:48] want to be a whistleblower, I mean,

[02:49] anybody who wants to come forward with

[02:52] information, we will accept it. And as

[02:54] always, if we get something wrong, we

[02:55] will pivot and we will correct it. And

[02:57] that includes Turning Point USA

[02:59] employees. you are hearing the rumblings

[03:01] about anything about what's going on

[03:02] there and you've seen enough, reach out

[03:04] to us. More tips at kenniswowens.com.

[03:06] We've got people there. Um, we could

[03:08] always use more people who are

[03:10] interested in doing what Charlie would

[03:12] have done, fighting.

[03:15] Um, Aunt Leash writes, "Doesn't that

[03:18] Nitro glove look like it's a little

[03:19] melted on the tip of one finger and the

[03:21] side of another? Nitro would protect

[03:23] against chemical burns from explosive

[03:24] residue, but not from flames. Did they

[03:26] burn Charlie's shirt in the SUV?" It's a

[03:29] question.

[03:31] It's a question. Did they burn Charlie

[03:33] shirt in the SUV? Did somebody put on

[03:34] gloves because they were cutting Charlie

[03:35] shirt and didn't want their prints on?

[03:38] Who knows? Could be. Could also not be.

[03:44] I'm with you guys. Thinking while it's

[03:45] still legal. Thinking while it's

[03:48] permissible be before they pretend that

[03:52] the conspiracy is a crime in and of

[03:55] itself, that lives are being ruined. Um

[03:58] because people are asking questions. I

[04:00] couldn't have said it more beautifully

[04:02] than Charlie about what they're actually

[04:03] doing. And um you know, Charlie said it

[04:06] all. He did. He said it all. And I I

[04:08] agree with him wholeheartedly.

[04:10] Thumbelina's Grace writes, "Thank you,

[04:11] Candace. We all miss Charlie." Um and

[04:15] lastly, this person Nabby writes, "Shout

[04:17] out to my wife, Ethiopian Queen. What

[04:19] impact do you have on this case? Is

[04:21] change possible? Is change possible?"

[04:25] Um,

[04:28] yeah.

[04:31] In the end, we win. Truth always wins. I

[04:33] mean, this has been an example, just so

[04:36] we're clear. We had nothing on our side.

[04:39] No money, no bots, no Israel,

[04:43] no other countries trying to take you

[04:45] down. We didn't have a Department of

[04:46] Justice willing to work for us or, you

[04:48] know, post our stuff. Department of War

[04:51] making things go viral. We had nothing

[04:53] but drive and a willingness to commit to

[04:56] truth. That's all we had. And that is

[04:59] what has kept people interested in this

[05:03] case. And I genuinely thank God for

[05:05] that. I thank God for that. I I can't

[05:06] even imagine if Charlie they had just

[05:09] accepted the fed slop and that was it.

[05:11] And I think it's brought everyone closer

[05:13] as well. Like I said, left and right.

[05:15] And I wherever

[05:18] uh Charlie is hopefully um you know

[05:21] Charlie sees gets to see this to see the

[05:24] left and right come together which is

[05:25] not something that either of I even

[05:28] strive he or I ever even strived for in

[05:30] the beginning. You know we both played

[05:32] that game of left versus right and now

[05:34] the picture is bigger and people on the

[05:36] left are holding turning points feet to

[05:37] the fire. they're doing that

[05:40] and and so

[05:43] I appreciate it all and um I I do think

[05:45] change is possible because to vote

[05:47] against to say that change is not

[05:49] possible to me would be like resigning

[05:52] and saying that Christ doesn't win in

[05:54] the end. He does. Christ is king.

[05:56] Anyway, you guys, if you would like to

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[06:35] Um, that's it. That's all we have for

[06:36] today. It's been an extraordinarily long

[06:37] episode. Hope you guys enjoyed it as

[06:39] much as I did. It always feels like I

[06:41] get to vent and share what's going on in

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