Understanding Political Labels and Wealth Influence

you create a company that's like like close to being a fascist and then like okay how am I let's go through this how am I a fascist no dude like you can can you name one thing I believe that's fascist um you believe that like you don't don't let him I'm such a bad fascist I let the people would disagree and open mic to talk to me for 2 hours uninterrupted okay I'm an awful fascist I'm more like a Free Speech liberal the 1970s not a fascist but I just want to say Turning Point USA is a evil company that was funded by thousands of fracking companies and that's just no it's not thousands but we do have some frackers that give us money but yeah and then all all it is is making from FIS fascism to fracking that's all it is that's all it is okay again I'm happy to have a debate I can see you're getting kind of fired up so but why why are we evil like we're we're having discuss you're calling me it seems like you just want the rich get even more rich like we we haven't talked about the rich at all I mean so do you you don't even know my positions on this stuff at all and by the way just so we're clear the wealthiest counties in the country all vote for Democrats you know that right eight out of 10 of the wealthiest counties in the country vote for Democrats the wealthiest people absent Elon Musk are all on the left Jeff Bezos George Soros Mark bennyhoff Mark Zucker Len P jobs on the left yes the Richer you are the more likely you are to be a Democrat and on the left explain that to me please the numbers speak for itself the Democrats are the party the oligarchy exp can you name one Tech CEO outside of Elon Musk that is a conservative um I personally think let me thinkal Peter teal yeah that's one that's one um Larry pagee Google on the left worth $120 billion Sergey Brin Google $30 billion on the left lobs Mackenzie Bezos Jeff Bezos if they're on the left what has they done that was like quote unquote to do the left stuff well okay so Larry pagee gives money to leftwing NGS all the time like if you're on the left I don't think you would ever be this Rich well they are you know why because the left because they're not no the left is a scam the left uses let me tell you why it's a good question actually the left uses people like you that think that oh we're going to fight the rich well they protect their oligarchy while you guys have to keep on working hard and never own anything when we conservatives are the ones that actually want to restore the American middle class and bring jobs back to this country let me finish let me finish the the left uses people like you every day and they use people on You by the trans thing the abortion thing keep voting for us cuz the fascists are going to take your rights away when who's funding the left the richest people George Soros do You Know Rich George Soros is who is funding dude I have never seen a leftist organization come to campus spreading their propagandas well because the whole universi are left this organization spreading prop liberal left there's a there is a clear-cut difference between eles and a liberal please make you're coming after this in a good way because I'll just say Democrat politics okay okay almost every major powerful wealthy person in the country over100 billion doar in net worth with the exception of one person Elon Musk is on the cultural left and gives money to the left Mark Zuckerberg gave $400 million in the 2020 election to help get Jo Biden reelected through the center for technology and Civic life Mackenzie bezo that helps his case obviously he would donate money to his okay but hold on what what but one second McKenzie Bezos with $45 billion major Biden backer Loren pal jobs were $20 billion Steve jobs' Widow one of the most radical left Wingers in the Emerson Collective mark bennyhoff from Salesforce we1 billion one of the most radical left-wing guys that you'll see out there um the the uh the eBay guy um omor one radical left wi it's so important for you on the left you guys are being scammed and gamed because they talk a good game about building the middle class but it is not the party of democracy it's the party of oligarchy and you can go fact check me tonight and you might actually have cognitive dissonance type in this wealthiest counties in the country they almost all vote for Joe Biden who gives the most political donations to the left all the wealthy people go look up the top billionaires on the form list the fors list the top 100 only about 10 of them give the Republican the other 80 give the Democrat the other 10 don't give at all it is it is mind-blowing when you realize the shift in power the last 10 years Republicans used to be the party of the rich you know what changed we nominated a class trador as our nominee Donald Trump as soon as Donald Trump became our nominee all the billionaires said we don't want him anymore he talks about things we don't like he wants to end the wars close the border bring jobs back to this country we want to keep on supporting a political party that doesn't want any of that stuff explain to me how Joe Biden represents the working class in this country he doesn't he very much supports the unions it's a oh hold on a second the union or the union bosses big difference the union bosses supporting the rank and file love Trump the UAW love Trump more than Biden the Carpenters Union love Trump more than Biden the police Union the point is this is that the Democrat Party they are sitting on a house of cards of young activists that truly want to go like crush the rich and there is some truth to that like there's a very rich oligarchy in this country that remains rich and stays rich off of gaming government systems and public policy and you guys give them a free pass because you think that we're fascists when in reality we're the ones that are actually fighting to destroy the oligarchy the most all right last question last point last question um let's say so you do want to fight for the American middle class and yes how how how does free freeer the market like helps with the middle class I I want I want Precision in free markets but I how does how does free market kids support the middle again I'm not puritanical but I think that generally more choices are a good thing I think that generally supporting entrepreneurs is positive but I I think that mass immigration is really bad for American workers there's no Mass immigration well first of all how many people are wow like well you're right there is mass Invasion but um but how many people are coming across the southern border every day I don't know but like no no I'm actually generally curious can you guess okay um on what time frame every day every day 500 yeah it's it's at its low point it's at 10,000 right now it was 15,000 last month so what does that annualize let's play that out a lot yeah that's a lot yeah that's Mass immigration right how many green cards do we give out every year probably a lot yeah a lot about 1.2 million right what's wrong with giving out green card I'm not saying anything wrong no you said there's no Mass migration so I'm just trying to tell you we do have mass migration right we have 3 million on the southern border and then we have a million green cards right that's 4 million a year right which is effect basically bigger than most US states now everything comes with a cost when you have mass migration you're going to get lower wages but that means you're going to disenfranchise American workers what are you studying computer science yeah I am okay so you're an American Born I'm guessing American raised I don't I don't want to I wasn't but okay I moved to the US okay well you're an American now I guess I don't know maybe student visa okay you're going to now have to compete you're kind of proving my point but that's a separate issue you're now going to have to compete against foreign labor for your computer science jobs I think we have a moral obligation to American Born workers to give them preference and priority and restrict the labor Supply so that our computer science Majors can have higher wages not to have suppressed wages so some tech CEO can uh bring in a bunch of Indians and suppress their no nothing against Indians but just you know bring down their wages personally I just think that like if you came to America and then receive a green card I think you get you get to work however you want yeah I think that American boring citizens there shouldn't be a priority because they are American citizen as long as you're that's different I actually think you must have a priority to your own citizens or else you don't have a government you have something else if you don't have a priority to your own people I don't know what you have you have a colony not a country you're just a big economy mhm and that and that's fine if that's your position by the way your position is held by the ruling Elite where I think that we should have a country not just a where the American born citizens should be given preference over foreigners nothing against foreigners I think they're nice people but the Americans should be given first preference and by the way any sane country believes that we're like the only country in the world that says and certain European countries come on in and take whatever you want so let me ask you a question so in the CRT literature what what do they think of white people or whiteness um who would you like me to quote Kimberly kensaw I haven't read Kimberly K she says that whiteness is a cancer or a toxin on our society the concept of whiteness the racial concept of whiteness okay so what is whiteness what is whiteness yeah Define it as Kimberly cruncha would probably say the sort of construction of privilege that comes with being white in this country right so what what privilege do you and I as white people have that black people don't have yeah great question um on applications that are blindly judged white sounding names are often given the job more they're paid more not true in fact it's the opposite there's black privilege right now it's called affirmative action where underqualified blacks are taking Asians and white people's places in universities across the country true or false um the sure true okay so yeah there's black privilege not white privilege I actually don't think affirmative action is how we address in education inequality okay well that affirmative action was L is still largely supported by the CRT regime but let's get back to CRT to the essence of it sure CRT believes in one manifestation of its ideology is black only dormitories so white people are not allowed do you believe in black only dormitories no and I don't have to agree with every aspect of an ideology to argue for it so so then what part of CRT do you like because they call whiteness a toxin black only dormitories and if you want to talk about like ideological or intellectual sloppiness the 1619 project was I think it's very sloppy okay we agree Nicole think it's overstated and I think some of part are accurate okay good um the parts of CRT that I think are most relevant and you know very factually uh you can you know what am I trying to say there's a lot of evidence for them is the fact that previous inequality such as the institution of slavery such as our treatment of Native Americans do in fact affect those populations today and you were saying before in you know inner cities there's a lot more crime and a lot of that is because of redlining and other like practices that come directly from the mistreatment of minorities previously in this country so I want to make sure I understand so so black people make up 133% of the American population oh 1350 my favorite yes exactly why do they commit 55% of all the murders super great question um it's basically a very complex intersection of race and um economic status it's pretty well known that uh minority people tend to be um in a lower economic status because of discrimination that they then why don't poor Asians commit a lot of murders also great question um Asian people weren't originally brought to America on purpose like black people and they weren't already here like natives so blacks murder because they were brought here 250 years ago I would like to finish okay just answer it's very simple black no I know but you're not really you're asian-americans predominantly immigrate here for work reasons they come from already wealthy countries they're already wealthy when they get here crime is committed primarily by that's not true talk to anybody from Viet who's at Vietnamese anybody did you did your family come here wealthy no yes not wealthy but not saying they come here okay average Vietnamese does not come here wealthy I'm not okay I perhaps misspoke not wealthy but a lot of the you know you complain about it all the time a lot of the immigration from countries that border us right it's it's sort of desperate people who are of a lower economic status right and they're coming here for a better life so so two things number one there's been more blacks that have legally immigrated to this country in the last 30 years than were ever brought as slaves that's number one number two you still haven't answered the question I'm I'm trying to it's a complicated answer people are only 133% of the population yet they commit 55% of the murders why because black people tend to be in lower economic statuses because of complic because of no no this is F this is great basically so you think that poverty equals crime I think that it's um highly correlated and there's a lot of stud this is where we disagree what an insult to the Working Poor in this country why do you think black people commit more crime first of so how let me ask you ask you a question as my answer what percentage of blacks have a father around when they're raised I'm not sure 20% 80% of blacks do not have a stable father around it is the most predictable way to end up in prison end up as a murderer or a criminal it's not a racism problem it's not a white supremacy problem it's a fact that black fathers impregnate women and they don't stay around with the women that they have impregnated why Charlie Kirk do you think that that happens more in the black community compared to it's it's threefold number one we subsidize single motherhood number two it's culture it's accepted in the black community and it should be culture okay okay don't take my word for it read Thomas Soul's own book on how Black Culture allows single motherhood to continue into a nanny State type practice 75% of black youth are raised at a father in the home 75% is that a bigger problem or not a bigger problem than whiteness White Privilege or white supremacy how can they should all be addressed and they're all related okay how is a white person to blame for the fact that 75% of blacks oh individual white people aren't at all to okay we agree yeah so but wouldn't it be more like smarter to be like hey that this is not about systemic racism like stop impregnating your women and abandoning them um well the way to incentivize not impregnating women and abandoning them is increasing access to healthare into housing into everything that we know increases for people done so we have spent $30 trillion on the social Ware System since 1965 black people are poorer and the single motherhood went from 25% to now 75 to 80% so the more money we've spent on Black America the less fathers we have because black women divorced black men and married the government and do you think that's a problem inherent to black people no it's not it's happening now in white communities and Hispanic communities it's just the worst in Black America and why do you think that is why why is it the worst in Black America there's also a cultural problem there is we have to be honest it's just that black people are are let me ask a question the average music that a black person in Compton is listening to is it about contemplating the good the true and the Beautiful or is it about being a gangbanger and trying to get as much money and sleep with about as many girls as you can I would actually like to think that's a I would be offended by that do you think the average black kid in Compton is listening to Beethoven or some sort of gangster rap music that glorifies gangster culture silly rap wasn't created to glorify gangster culture so even though there is rap I'm not you're dodging the question because okay I'm sure they're listening to rap okay so you think rap music makes them their mom do you think the cultural expectation in Black America is that you stay with the woman that you impregnate um within black communities I can't speak on that okay the answer is no it's not it's not expected okay and do you think that in hold on in white Anglo-Saxon Protestant communities it's a fact hold on in upper middle class white communities upper middle class say that part louder yeah upper middle class white Anglo-Saxon Protestant communities if you impregnate a woman you are looked down upon and we do not think highly of you if you abandon the woman that you impregnate that's a cultural difference has nothing to do with money has nothing to do with anything except norms and the Norms that have infected black America are destroying it from within we need more fathers not less we need more dads around and less drag queen Story Hour we need more we need more Young blacks to to be able to look up to role models that are are not leaving all the time and are not just saying hey I'm pregnated her so be it it it's a toxin and if we don't address that as the root cause oh it's white supremacy it's Injustice it's economics we're dancing around the core of the issue I guess what I'm saying is right and you've perfectly actually laid out the dichotomy here um it is a fact obviously that black people disproportionately commit crime in this country no one's arguing that but you either believe that that is due to a complex intersection of social economic and like leftover effects from previous inequalities or you believe that that is an inherent trait to the race no I don't because they weren't that way in the 1940s and 50s Black America was one of the most peaceful flourishing fastest growing economically communities in the country it's not genetic you're trying to point something on me that I don't believe instead black believe that it's not genetic so you do think CRT is correct hold on a second in the 19 in the 1940s and 19 50s Black America was prosperous and was on Pace to be richer and wealthier than white America more dads were staying with the women that they were with there was monogamy what changed you're supporting my argument no hold on but what answer the question what changed did America get more racist since 195 the 1950 I AR there were more racist policies past there were more policies dedicated to and pushing them into poor housing and poor schools wait a second in the 1950s Jackie Robinson had not even broken the color barrier we had Jim Crow laws we hadn't passed the Civil Rights Act and we hadn't passed the Voting Rights Act yet blacks were better in the 1950s per capita than they are today so we have become less racist we've passed more anti-racist laws and given more stuff and blacks are worse than they were 70 years ago why so you're um equating here institutional and social racism social racism was certainly worse in the 1950s I'm sure everyone would agree but institutional racism occurs when policies are passed against people come on which can increase over time and you're not being intellectually honest you know that there was black only drinking fountains in the 1950s we don't have those any anymore well we're bringing them back with you know black only dormitories but we we had we we had we had for example in the in the antibellum south in the 1950s we had white only communities white by law we got rid of that with the Civil Rights Act but it didn't unfortunately we look around the numbers speak for themselves black youth are less likely have fathers they're not doing as well as far as economically they commit more crime so something changed and our argument is what changed is three things number one the imposition of the Great Society project by lynon Baines Johnson of spending $30 trillion since 1960s on Section 8 housing on welfare on you know all sorts where as I said that young black women married the government and they divorced young black men and then we also have had the as Thomas soul and as Clarence Thomas would say the soft bigotry of low expectations and we have been afraid to get to the the root of the issue or even speak about it because we don't be called the racist so who what is imposing those low expectations it's it part of it is like white academic culture I'll give you an example I'm not saying you believe this but Merrick Garland the Attorney General of the United States has come out and said having an ID to vote is racist that is code for saying black people are too dumb to get a voter ID you're doing it again you're you're simplifying a very nuanced complex argument from the real people who are making it is voter ID RAC obviously not Charlie do you want to know where the argument comes from I can eloquently tell you eloquently tell me why voter ID is is racist whatever certain policies in southern states were proposed that would like I think the quote from the um uh person who decided the case was with surgical Precision Target the times where black people were voting and make it like illegal or harder for them to get that uh to come at that time and then they were targeting the type of ID that black voters had and making that specific type of idea legal that is racist per perfectly Fair how does that impact today saying that every citizen if you need an idea to vote just that aside why is that ra why is it racist because we have to have you know obviously humans are making those decisions right and so if there is still institutional racism and people in power that are racist we can't trust those institutions to make those decisions what institutional racism do we have in this country right now what you just named it what 1350 well I mean affirmative action needs to happen because there is not that many minorities in these higher educations or higher education institutions okay so that no you're you're you're being clear which is then you lower standards no that affirmative action always does affirmative action lowers standards by definition there's I'm saying why affirmative action was introduced I'm not arguing for it were you asking me why it was introduced or no I'm saying you agree that's why it was introduced I agree why it was I don't think it ever should have been but yes I mean but there institutional inequality yes well I wouldn't even use the word inequal I mean I I don't love looking at it that way but of course white people generally are richer than black people in this country richer and more represented in politics and schools yes somewhat yes and why do you think that is Charlie well hold on a second let's let's ask the question here represented how so I mean look at Congressman so hold on a second are white people represented fairly in the National Basketball Association who cares what political power Fair representation listen I think that it should by law half of the NBA should be white great fine and and the product would suck Lobby for it because blacks are much better at basketball than we whites are what political power does the NBA have a lot actually the NBA reaches millions of people every day they have slogans that people internalize in fact if the NBA had no political power why would they have to wear black lives matter on all their jerseys why would they tell why would politicians try to get their endorsements all the time the NBA is more power than Congress in some ways of shaping the mind it's your turn to be academically dishonest hold on a second no no but if you want Fair representation just to be clear then why would you not be against Whites by law being half of the National Basketball Association right now black people make up 88% of the NBA do it great who cares I don't care I'm saying right so here's my point if we have I have a shot everybody please listen if we I could play for the Lakers I hope do it Charlie I'll come to your games I'll do it the point is this is that Merit should triumph over all of it which is awesome okay so Merit should Triumph we agree okay okay Charlie do you think black people are not as smart or competent as white people perfect so they should in theory then be equally represented in position of let me so have you ever read discrimination and disparities by Thomas Soul do you only read Thomas Soul you've quoted him like three times I haven't read that no I read a lot more than Thomas soul but I'm happy to Thomas soul is the only intellectual with the courage to after like these core issues of why black America has fallen behind and why no one actually has studied it so let's just give a great example when you don't have a father in the home the amount of words that a child hears goes down by 60 to 70% the amount of words that a child I don't know if you're a mother or not or or plan to be okay no just it's it's an important point the amount of words that an 18mon year old hears is highly predictive of IQ verbal development okay so that simp when you don't have a dad in the home the mom is overwhelmed and there's just less interaction with the child that's all fine okay so you we agree I'm just saying that is that's not because of racism that's true obious that's no she she's I know what you meant but you have a father in the home all of a sudden they hear thousands of more words a day and they're they're already they're like way further ahead of a single motherhood a single mother raising a child that that's not racism okay so dads are good yes great what my question to you actually answer most of the the questions that you might have about why black America is falling behind Okay because their dads don't stay around and try to sort of get to you reconcile your own beliefs and if that's true which is fine that's true we can say that's true um you either believe that that has social and economic causes or you believe that oh Black Culture is just worse and there is another thing to think no I I was very clear right now Black Culture is being held captive by influences songs and Ro models I I mean Nicki Minaj cardi B okay Nicki Minaj is causing dads to leave the home hold on I don't think that's a good role model for 18-year-old black girls I don't I don't think that songs that are talking about like glorifying wet female genitalia is exactly I don't know which one wrote that song which one was it I think it was Ben Shapiro yeah that's right yeah but is is but and but by the way the role models of the 1940s and 50s for black americ America were completely different so it is a representation issue hold on a sec no not representation it's who do you get your art from it's what values are they putting forward it's the question of every day for example more times than not black politicians will lament the condition of America it's systemically racist it's terrible what does that do to a 14-year-old black kid if you just find that you hear that everything is rigged against you instead they should be saying hey there might be some barriers but if you believe in yourself enough you can acheve in this country it creates a a form of social conditioning of low expectations and that's not my argument you know whose argument that is Barack Obama's um I don't necessarily agree either man Barack Obama said number one we need more fathers in the home this is when Barack Obama Obama is a liberal I don't care what he's got to say okay but Barack Obama then secondly he said that we can't keep telling our black youth that you can't succeed in this country anybody can succeed in this country and Obama was right when he said that Obama was correct when he said that we need to change the story we're telling Black America which is fine I've never heard any teacher look at a black person and say oh you can't succeed because of racis hold on a second but what is the embedded message of all the propaganda saying it's systemically racist you're going to run into racist employee employers that they're going to discriminate against you it it creates this heaviness of why even try by the time college students get to College they've experienced all that they don't need to be told you think that the a I'm C I'll be curious you think that that the average black student at this University experiences like active daily racism um I be cu cu ask I know I don't know maybe it's true maybe it's maybe it's as bad as it was in the antibellum South so I'm not saying that obviously I did say social racism improved I'm saying institutional racism is still present and that's what's causing lower outcomes for minority communities do do you do you do you think the reason why only 20 to 25% it depend we don't know the numberers just the range per year so one and four of black youth have a stable father around what would you just say is the big why is that the why is that the reason a complex intersection of Social and economic reasons which are outlined in CRT okay thank you for the dialogue thank you okay how do you feel about like the current state of the economy and this whole theory of like Immaculate disinflation if you're familiar with the term say the SEC say that again Immaculate disinflation well we're not living through that um but yes um and where's your proof that we aren't exactly are you disinflation that we actually don't are see we're not seeing a surge in prices no disinflation means the inflation rate is decreasing over time well so there is some evidence to show that for example televisions iPhones specific products that's not an illustration of all inflation though no I was going to prove your I was going to agree with you that okay but if you just go to a grocery store eggs are far more expensive than they were two years ago you don't have to overthink it I mean the college degree here at this University what is it per year guys 30,000 how much they've been ten State 30,000 out of state yeah 10 years ago I bet it was 18,000 out of state right so yes but they've been trying to raise the Cal State uh tuition for quite some time even before inflation spiked to its current levels or previous levels about a year ago they've just been delaying it for quite some time so it's not we're living through a decades long inflation Surge and it it the best evidence you could see it either in the artificial boosting of profit earning raos go ahead even during like Trump's Administration inflation was actually quite low so that's not it was but it's not low right now yes but why was it low then would you say well cuz we had economic growth and we didn't we weren't borrowing 2 to3 trillion a year we actually we actually were we were borrowing quite a bit of money we're borrowing about a trillion dollarss a year not quite a bit so we're borrowing about triple that right now yes do you agree um yeah got it so triple in the larger in the law of big numbers is a big deal so borrowing 800 billion not excusable borrowing 2.5 trillion morally reprehensible morally why exactly morally is there a distinction between 1 and 3 trillion because everyone here is going to have to pay off that debt and that dollar that you think is going to have value is decreasing by the day whether you're econ whether you're pro-choice or democrat inflation is something that's going to occur no matter what sorry can I finish okay I apologize it's okay um inflation is not a guaranteed human Norm that's not true but I'll get to that in a second every single person here it will be harder than ever for you to own a home so inflation is immoral because you're going to enter into a housing market where everything costs three times as much in the housing market than it did at decade ago you will not be able to afford a down payment let alone even be able to build the capital necessary for other goods and services that you might want to build wealth and you know who does benefit is your parents generation and Baby Boomers no offense that do own their assets and you won't and so secondly inflation is a choice it's not built into The Human Experience uh The Human Experience sure but the economic system especially a capitalist economic system it definitely is how would you it depend inflation 0% inflation well I wouldn't want 0% infl so then it is built in it well inflation and it is necessary evil no I I said I wouldn't want it okay moderate inflation is good for money velocity and for growth yes but you need to manage that versus the growth rate right so this goes back to Milton Friedman's idea of the Chicago mon monetarism you can laugh all you want yeah all right what's so funny about Freeman the fact he's the greatest Economist of the 20th century or qualify that's uh I don't know I wouldn't say he's exactly that so you're more like a John John May Kane's guy so yeah not necessarily no no I just take a more broad approach then we don't need to have a central bank we do have a central bank okay okay bold bold claim I'll follow you though I'll follow you you don't need to have a central bank I used to be very against the Federal Reserve as well okay I'm just saying you don't need to have one but we choose to have one the central bank has been overly politicized to try to stop let's just say natural economic Cycles from occurring both administrations Bush Obama Trump Biden have leaned on the central bank to use cheap money as a way to try to keep the good times flowing and the good times going yeah yeah that's definitely for sure so we don't agree well we don't disagree um yeah but here's the other thing I would say you I got to say your protesters are kind of weak here guys I expected more out of them right they didn't seem to have the energy to get I know I thought they'd have more you know yeah I like it please keep going yeah I will say though um going back to the like mortgage rates as you were saying I would say that probably has a lot more to do with private Equity buying up homes than the inflation rate well hold on there's two parts to that I'm not talking about mortgage interest rates are up I'm talking about just the asset price itself that too I would say it's a lot more related to private Equity buying but what so why is private Equity doing that because they have so much cheap money that we've put into the system they don't have to do with it now if I think we could agree actually there should be laws against Black Rock coming in and buying single family homes and renting them back you should not be a society of renters it's bad for society so we can agree on that I say that as a conservative it's bad for the The Human Experience and for you know generational flourishing but when you when you open up the guzzle of cheap money which we have done especially postco there's a price to that and the price is that your currency gets weaker and we're seeing that right now yes um so would you say that it was actually necessary to in order to get out of the um huge recession we experienced during the pandemic to no I I think we should have just opened up the economy we never should have locked down the country so we never should have borrowed the $6 trillion we never should have done the stimulus stuff it hurt every single one of you and increased suicide rates depression anxiety fiscal problems economic problems political problems I could definitely agree with that to some extent but would you say even in say 2009 uh lowering the interest rates to zero in that sense was that we didn't go to zero we didn't uh we went down believe it or not we went to like 5% Co we went to like near zero but no I I have a contrarian view on 2008 I think we should have let the banks fail and I and I think we should have I think we actually should allowed the market to solve it not to have social for the rich and brutal capitalism for the working I totally agree with that okay so I think that Wells Fargo Goldman I think that lieman and the big banks that failed should have had to actually okay climb themselves out or you you you destroyed a moral hazard is what you did and zero Executives went to prison I agree with Elizabeth war on this none of these robber barons that did what they did '08 sered federal prison time meanwhile and I will use a political statement to contrast it grandmas that went into the capital on January 6 and took selfie videos are in federal prison you ask me who's a bigger threat to democracy Wall Street Executives that bankrupted our economy in 2008 are a bigger threat to our country than people that walked into the capital building and took a selfie now let me ask you this let me ask you this I I don't know if my memory served me correctly but who was uh did Stephen nin serve under the Trump Administration yeah he was from government Sachs did he did he serve under the Trump Administration uh that that's right yeah so why would Trump invite someone like that who should probably be in federal prison into his administration have a lot of personnel uh disagreements I love Trump but I think you love Trump love Trump why would you love why would so do we love Trump everybody so to ask to ask a broader question why would you love any politician um they have they have a job to do why be emotionally attached and I don't say this like lightly I I do have a friendship with them I've gotten n over a couple years dis closing biased disclosing bias 100% biased and so I also think he's one whether you hate him or love him he's a 100 why would you hate him or love him he just has a job to do well I also love what he did as country as president for the country so would you say though that you're probably more of a fiscal conservative me yeah yeah and I probably his borrowing was one one of the two so three things if you want to just be full disclosure that I think president Trump could have done better and I think he will do better fiscal deficit spending okay why do you think he will do better let me get to all three okay okay uh Co and certain Personnel choices okay those are the three things and my and I can list 100 accomplishments those are three things I think that the first Administration you know that wasn't their best why could have been better I think that he's he's um he's got the world against him and he's uh he's when if he becomes president again which the 50-50 shot he will uh he he's going to set the world on fire I would say he's a little bit too egotistical and emotional to really counter the world being against him he seems to react a little too emotionally to these kinds of things I don't want to get too deep into it but you're not going to you're not going to convince me of on negative Trump stuff so okay okay interesting so your mind isn't necessarily that open isn't this change my mind you could try okay I mean you're not going to but didn't you just say kind of up front that uh I I'm openminded to hear I'm just saying you're not going to change my mind on that okay so then what is it that's leading you to think that Trump is going to have better decision- making in this next turn specifically when it comes to borrowing um he probably an necess I mean I I just I don't know and honestly I just there's there's little evidence except the fact that we're going to have a debt crisis the likes of which the country's never seen and he's going to have to address it we need to have severe Cuts in the federal budget we need so would you say that the downgrading of America's credit rating is more related to our national debt or the inability to um handle it in a mature way um more both but more just the debt itself is I mean we now we now owe more than we're worth as a country so I want to get other questions because You' had some time but final question I want to be respectful but so I guess how would if you think that that's an issue that we have more debt than say our current income well we do well yeah but if you would say the value of the of course of course of course we control um our own currency and our currency is are you guy so yeah yeah it's it's the number one Reserve so you know that gives us a lot of Wiggle it's decreasing it used to be 75% of the world's Reserve currency status 20 years ago now it's 55% I would say you know about bricks you know bricks right bricks bricks is creating an alternative I think they're tiger okay I hope you're I actually hope you're right I don't I don't believe that India China South Africa and Russia could ever work together to create their own I hope unified currency I I just hope we're not too prideful definitely a paper tiger I've seen you like talk a lot about like objective morality um and my big question is you know it feels like you can make good statements and bad statements without referencing some kind of like um like moral book so I can say like something is good right I had a good day today and doesn't really feel like I need to reference religion for that um like so can you explain to me why you think we need to have some kind of absolute standard for like morality excellent question it's really good if you say you have a good day are you describing the experience you had or was it morally a good day um so yeah it would be a good day so I can like narrow it down more I guess um or I can ask I guess like a better question so if I don't have religion right let's say I am an atheist or something and I were to go up to um I find like two books one's the Quran and then one is the Bible and I read both of them and then I have a feeling of preference towards one or the other that makes me feel like morality probably is an objective because I read two moral codes I didn't have one before and then I derived one after reading it but one is true well yeah obviously if you go with the presupposition that one is true but so let's let's play this out if not sorry to interrupt if I'm on an island and let's just demystify part of this and there's the Bible and then there's Lord of the Rings and I end up believing in one of those which is true um well what's true is just what corresponds with reality we're talking about ah I agree so which one has evidence and when applied in the natural world actually shows a flourishing people and society and a way to live because you would agree at least out of eight out of 10 of the Ten Commandments they're pretty good rules for life right of course yes the thing that I'm talking about is doesn't have to do with whether or not Christianity is good or bad or yeah it's just regarding like um yeah one can be true but even if one is true it doesn't really feel like I'm influenced in terms of what I feel is good or bad because obviously you know there are people who are Muslim who have read you know the Bible and still are more persuaded by Islam no of course I mean you could be persuaded by anything right that that doesn't I believe that there is a Transcendent way of living I call that the Bible right and I believe it's the perfect catalog from CRE to the end of the world you don't have to agree at that I'm talking strictly from a moral sense so let's just ask a separate question which is do you think people are naturally naturally outside of you know religious teaching good or not so good um the nature of humanity the nature I wouldn't be comfortable making a statement about it that's fair enough and I appreciate that so we believe as Christians or those in the space human beings are pretty awful okay that we're broken that we're sinful that we fall short of the the glory of God and that we need to teach people how to be good a common left-wing belief is that human beings are actually awesome and they're terrific and the reason why things are not so good is because of capitalism or the patriarchy or feminism or whatever so you're asking a question of you know why do we need objective morality well or or what specifically um yeah so not necessarily why we need objective morality but you seem to be cuz obviously I don't believe that it's a thing but you seem to be making a claim that like you believe that absolutely um no um okay good you're consistent yeah the the big thing is is for me even if I have a God there is no thing telling me like you know it's just like the isot problem right that's like my big contention right how am I ever going to derive a claim about what I should do from only statements about the nature of being got it so is you you would believe murder is wrong um yeah why do you believe that because in its definition it says it's wrong right it's wrong killing of somebody at least that's my understanding of it okay so I mean so for example you go to an African village happens all the time they leave a full born baby by the fire they don't want it they discard it happens tons of times any missionary will tell you that they just discard babies why what they don't believe it's wrong it's just in their code and custom no one feels bad about it just discard kids you don't want are they wrong um for me yeah they're wrong yeah it's it's a bullet I do have hold on hold on are they objectively wrong is it object no so I don't believe in objective morality so that can it's not objectively wrong to leave a fulln baby by the fire and just say you're on your own have a nice life well yeah I'm calling into question objective morality so I obviously have no I know I'm just trying to make you hear back how insane what you are saying well you're making a claim about the objectivity of it obviously I think it's let's get more graphic so you put you put a thousand Jews in a gas chamber and the Nazis thought what they were doing was good and they pressed the button were they right or were they wrong in gassing millions of Jews objectively you can't like when you say is it objectively wrong hold on wait wait if you say it's objectively wrong you're implying that you can derive a truth value from it and I don't think you can so I don't think that you can make a true statement regarding whether something's good or bad got it so just to be clear the Nazis could have been right in their actions in your view that implies that right is an actual thing I don't believe you can determine a truth value from a moral claim so the Nazis were not objectively evil yeah I've said that like four times like yeah can't derive objective moral statements from like things I'm not saying they're not wrong like they are wrong well no no no no it's okay yeah no I I just want to make sure we're this is important because what you are saying and you're saying it very clearly is that we look at the Holocaust and it's just a matter of opinion yeah that's kind of the problem of being an atheist you have to bite the bullet I respect your intellectual Clarity and I will say and obviously for clarity I obviously think the Holocaust is wrong so if anyone's questioning about it's just it's just your opinion I believe that it's objectively wrong no matter who you are or where you come from because it transcends opinion do you think last question I appreciate your Clarity on this do you see what how your view could result in a lot of dead people well I don't think my view is really a I'm not making a claim that we should behave in a way no no you're making claims well I am making claims yeah but I'm not making a claim that like we should behave in a certain way or like that we ought to like you know not have or some kind I'm not saying that but let me play this out and I think you'll understand I understand you're say well there's all these bad things that could happen if people follow me or that did happen no no no I'm not follow you if your view becomes a view of a country and for example putting a thousand Jews in a gas chamber is not deemed as objectively wrong Transcendent above anyone's opinion then all of a sudden what would prevent that evil thing from occurring and nobody questioning it sure so my main idea I guess with the worldview is I'm not making a claim again about how things should be I'm making a claim that this is how things are so within my like worldview this is all fine you can have people agreeing that things are wrong generally I think most moral most people's moral intuitions will lead them to thinking that things like murder is wrong and stealing is wrong because it makes you feel bad right if I see somebody get hurt that makes me feel bad if you see somebody die that makes you feel yeah the the SS guards didn't feel bad when they killed Jews and that's okay but do you see where this might unravel into mass murder and societal chaos yeah it that happens in the real world I'm making a description about the way people derive their morals I'm not saying how we should or shouldn't I'm saying this is how you like derive your morals if you have two books there the tress or correspondence with reality has zero anything to do with your preference towards you know one moral system or another hold on or maybe the true one says don't guas the Jews Mur that would be obvious God will judge you harshly maybe the just hear me out maybe the true one says that life is good and that there is a Creator who loves you but now what you're doing is you're just making claims about what you think like yeah obviously it would be awesome if I had a moral code that everyone had to follow that agreed I know if only a book existed yeah I know if only but my entire only there was this amazing B yeah but my point is that you're you're being super clear I appreciate it yeah no and you have you're the first person ever to your credit to answer the atheist Nazi question clearly which is that an atheist cannot objectively say that the Holocaust was wrong I'm arguing against objective like the idea that no you're you're being usually there's some withering there you you went right into there I can't go in here and like not bite the bullets of like what my argument implies like we have Clarity but not agreement thank you my friend appreciate it thank you thank for time do you view democracy as an American value as something that's very important to the fabric of this country no where is democracy in the US Constitution oh okay so are you no hold on where is the word democracy I don't think the word democracy is in where is the word democracy in any the founding fathers a lot of the founding fathers had extremely elitist viewpoints around who hold on hold on I just want you said the word democracy so I want to get back to Our Roots yes where is democracy mentioned in the Federalist Papers the Constitution or the Declaration I think it's good that this country has moved away from things that were explicitly belied by the feder papers and it's mentioned negatively as a problem so you ask me is democracy a fundamental American value I say no cuz I go back to our roots and Hamilton Madison and oh I know that Hamilton was anti-democracy like these people thought that people should be owned as I want to be clear I am I Am pro representative government okay but I'm not pro democracy that's a big difference and that distinction is important but you ask very specifically about democracy which is not an American value it never has been and never should be because what is democracy democracy is majority rule no matter what that there's no provisions of checks and balances no inalienable rights no separation of powers pure if the majority gets it the majority wants it as quickly as possible I don't Advocate P democracy I do understand that we live in a representative like we live in a republic representative government and you might say I'm splitting hairs on words but I'm not well that's coming from a place where on some level we have a level of democracy in this country and people vote and is part of their civic duty to vote Yes do you not think it is in the greater interest of this country at large that its citizens are as educated as possible to therefore be able to participate in that syst I think they should be as wise as possible and I don't think that education and wisdom are the same thing in fact I think I think college uh uh disincentivizes the cultivation of wisdom in the age where like there is such a hypers saturation of and we've seen this like extremely polarizing um different like like people are getting their news from wildly different sources people just don't interact with the other side at all do you think that being an autodidact in any sense of the term is going to give you a thorough and rigorous education if you are like so likely to end up sucked into these holes where never intera my only form of learning I meet a lot of cool people I learn from people like you and others I mean I'm listening when you're talking it's not just a shtick um you haven't won me over on any of it but you had an opportunity to um but I'm I'm glad you you attempted to but yeah I mean you learn in other ways other than just sitting in a classroom listening to a professor drown on for 90 minutes and pretending to read his book and paying 20,000 a semester to cheat on the exam at the end of the semester I think college is what you make of it I think I agree people are selling themselves short on their education if they don't you can listen to as many podcast as you want you can meet interesting people and Academia does have like an actual level of like you you have to prove that you're worth your salt at least to have peer-reviewed papers published what you don't have to do to start a podcast if you get a PhD yes but hold on so is is your contention that I'm not informed or not worldly or not wise I want to be clear I'm not making any claims about your specific level of being informed I'm saying the general like rhetoric on the right against education against higher education why do you think it is is it because you think we hate smart people or is it that there's something happening here that we really think is troubling I think it's it's much easier to control people who are less educated see now you're a conspiracy theorist so no it's anti-intellectualism is a Hallmark of fash do you think we're against higher education because it largely has created an ungrateful unprepared generation that goes into the American Body politic and does not share the core American values of freedom of speech gratitude for our founding consent to the governed in fact it's hyper radical and it's against it's against our Traditions our norms and our customs and it has it's created massive fissures we call that the woke mind virus if you will okay that makes it's not cuz people are easier to control in fact we love learning it's all I learn every day in fact that's why I'm Pro Hillsdale College where it's probably one of the hardest colleges in the country to get into and graduate from the problem is that when you are learning largely trash and crap and you're not going in the pursuit of truth beauty or or goodness and you're not trying to inculcate wisdom or good character there is there's no oversight on online political punditry to make sure that you're in pursuit of wisdom and goodness like you directly profit from propagating viewpoints that are more polarizing and that some people deeper into more conspiratorial what you're doing is you're actually insulting the audience not me because the vast majority of this audience actually enjoys watching my videos and they enjoy hearing from me I never I never said your audience didn't enjoy watch you say I'm profiting the way you do profit like you you financially make a ton of money think reward the audience rewards me because they find that I bring some value they learn something from Whatever Gets a specific but it's easy to attack me as exploitation what I say is actually very popular and resonates with people thank you for your time I appreciate it thank you know I've seen the socialism sucks yeah I I don't like your ideology I don't know about you you seem like a nice enough person your ideas are practically evil that's oh well same for here okay tell me what what tell me what capitalism is a vampire I don't know what I capitalism is a dead vampire that feasts on the blood of the working class capitalism is a deadly vampire that feasts on the blood of the working class yeah can you elaborate on that for me um I don't really want to right now but like cuz like do you do you have an iPhone was yeah so you're you're feasting on the blood of co-worked in class how dare you yeah I know we um all do the best that we can no you don't why don't you go live on a farm and not use the fruits of the working class and just be associal with your friends why why use the fruits of the free market isn't that kind of hypocritical no because the free market is so pervasive we have like no choice but to live in it no like I said you could go live on a Farm by yourself like the Amish do or like socialist in Vermont do but yet you choose to live in a free market society and benefit from it and use the Heat and the light and the well-being and the medicine and the food all as a byproduct of a market-based society I mean don't get me wrong I love it but oh you love it but you said it's a vampire sucking the blood of the working class so isn't that a little contradictory what what's your dad's opinion my dad's opinion yeah how old are you I'm 18 what what's your is your dad the same situation as you no he's a republican slightly that's okay he's he's yeah he's a Republican but no one's prevent see here's the thing no one's preventing you from living like a socialist you can go do that but you're your your world view would prevent me from living like an entrepreneur or like a capitalist so inherently your ideolog is built on control of other people's choices our built on freedom if you want to go live like a socialist I have no problem with that you can go start your own socialist colony and roll Utah buy your own land and share your own water and share your own food that's what's so amazing about voluntary societies whereas what you talk about is a coercive Society I don't have that freedom to live how I want to live under the worldview that us SPS and I think that's IM you're forcing them and again I don't believe in Revolutionary socialism I I didn't accuse you of that you said you said Democrat socialism yeah um that's just the club that with really I'm I'm fairly Marxist honestly let talk that's just the club that online but I believe that eventually we will get to a state where enough people we will collectively come together say Hey you know this is better you know for all of us I don't I don't obviously with the world we live in today like socialism can't exist like like today in America like I'm I'm very pragmatic you know at at my like I recognize that's never going to happen you said the marxis thing can you give me an example where Marxism has ever worked um no but that's because we Cur but it's been tried over a 100 times in the last 100 years and it's never worked it's 0 for a 100 isn't that kind ofate to you well so the thing is in in a Mary State you know it's a um it's a stous classist m Society right and so that that's just Utopia man that's no different than a fiction novel about Neverland it's it's been tried and the results are hundreds of millions of people but that's but that's ultimately what the true utopian right so so here's question you think Utopia is attainable I think it is not in our life have you read theist Manifesto yeah and so I I I guess the struggle I have here is you espouse a Viewpoint that has never worked you thinks never going to work in our lifetime and never work in this country that's no different than me believing in something of a work of fiction but that doesn't mean that you can't work so how would we go about working for that's where the Revolutionary component comes in isn't it so maybe you are a little more revolutionary than you admitted I don't think I am I think that like when you look over time and you see you know how societies have changed and how they progress I think that eventually get to well so let me ask you a question question do you think some people are better at some things than others sure okay so then in your utopian Society where would a smarter person fit in versus a not so smart person would there be hierarchies or no in your fictitious utopian Marxist societ okay UT Society well at that point automation will have taken over enough so that are you familiar with this thinking no I'm very familiar I I'm trying to is that to to tr trust me I'm not I'm not asking to figure it out I'm actually to be construct I don't actually think he believes this I'm saying that that uh because of the Modern Age there's a new variable right which is automation yeah very familiar with it but that that that will never get rid of pyro for for the 2020 election there's what's his name there's a candidate who leaves in the Asian americ very nice you or something but here's the thing that that Carl Marx argued that in the 1870s and we've had huge Automation and we still have higher own like so no matter how hard you try some people are going to work harder at certain things and be more proficient at them than others whether it be music Sports anything and the fictitious Marxist Society you it means the complete and total abolition of any sort of hierarchy whatsoever and so that's something you would believe in okay so that's anti power actually built as people some people are taller some people are smarter some people have higher it some people have more drive only in a market based society are those differences able to elevate the standard of living for all people and actually makes some sense of a broken world and there's been so many times that Marx's fictitious utopian communism has tried to be implemented over a short period of time like the Paris onion it falls apart you know why because human beings are inherently selfish and so if you try to build a commune for example after 20 days you're going to have one guy and say no no no I want two loaves of bread not one and you might be smart enough to be able to figure out how to do that then all of a sudden there'll be a small subdivision that will break away from him and you the conflict the only reason we have a civil society in the west is in order to get two loaves of bread in the west you have to earn it you can't take it away from somebody else that's where Marxist utopian fous domun great this isting thank you I hope you learn something