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Charlie Kirk is the Founder and President of Turning Point USA, the largest and fastest growing conservative youth activist organization in the country with over 250,000 student members, over 150 full-time staff, and a presence on over 2,000 high school and college campuses nationwide. Charlie is also the Chairman of Students for Trump, which aims to activate one million new college voters on campuses in battleground states in the lead up to the 2020 presidential election. His social media reaches over 100 million people per month and according to Axios, he is one of the "top 10 most engaged" Twitter handles in the world. He is also the host of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” which regularly ranks among the top news shows on Apple podcast charts.
Subscribe on YouTubeVivek Ramaswamy Warns Michelle Obama May Replace Biden After Atlanta Debate Disaster
Vivek Ramaswamy joins Charlie Kirk immediately after the presidential debate in Atlanta to discuss the implications of Joe Biden's performance and what comes next for the Democratic Party. Ramaswamy argues that what many dismissed as conspiracy theory has become reality - the Democrats intentionally scheduled the earliest debate in American history to create an opportunity to replace their nominee. He warns that Michelle Obama or Gavin Newsom could enter the race, and emphasizes that conservatives are not running against Biden but against the entire Democrat regime. Ramaswamy calls for expanding the coalition, avoiding complacency, and focusing on the mission to dismantle the administrative state regardless of who the Democrats ultimately nominate.
The Debate Performance That Changed Everything
Vivek Ramaswamy appeared with Charlie Kirk immediately following the presidential debate in Atlanta, offering his analysis of what transpired and its implications for the election ahead. Ramaswamy noted that throughout his presidential campaign and during the Republican debates, he consistently stated it was highly unlikely Biden would be the actual opponent, and the debate made that clear as day.
Setting partisan perspectives aside, Ramaswamy described the situation as sad for the country to witness a nominal president failing to function in basic activities of daily living. He argued this revelation means the government owes the American people an answer about who is actually running the country if it is not Joe Biden.
According to Ramaswamy, President Trump delivered one of his best debate performances, possibly one of the best in modern history. He highlighted a particularly authentic moment where Trump expressed his genuine wish that Biden were a good president, because then Trump would not have to put himself through running again and could be living a better life. Ramaswamy believes this message landed powerfully with independents, CEOs, and centrists leaning toward Trump.
The Intentional Trap Theory
Ramaswamy argues that what happened at the debate was not an accident but intentional design. His evidence centers on the Democratic Party explicitly negotiating for this unusually early debate - the earliest in American history and the first ever before the nominating convention of either party. He contends this was their final opportunity to remove Biden from the ticket.
What Ramaswamy described as inevitable over the past year and a half - something critics called a conspiracy theory - has now become reality. He warns that complacency is not an option, as the other side has always been one step ahead. While many might think the election was won based on Biden's performance, Ramaswamy insists the race may just now be beginning.
During the Republican primary debates, Ramaswamy called on the Democrat Party to end what he termed the farce that Biden would be their nominee, arguing that Biden is not even the president but a puppet for the managerial class. He challenged Democrats to have the guts to be honest about who they would actually nominate, whether Newsom, Michelle Obama, or someone else.
The Process and Timeline for Replacement
When asked about the process and timeline for removing Biden, Ramaswamy acknowledged that Biden is currently rallying supporters and white-knuckling his position. However, Ramaswamy does not believe Michelle Obama or other candidates are off the table despite current dismissals.
He suggests this could be a best-case scenario for Democrats - bringing someone in very late avoids scrutiny while allowing the election to occur during the honeymoon phase. Ramaswamy characterizes this as wrong, deceptive, and a lie to the American people.
His message to independents, libertarians, and Democrats is to ask themselves whether they will tolerate a leadership class that lies to them. He points to recent New York Times headlines claiming creative right-wing video clipping with selective editing showed Biden as frail, noting that no video editing could do a better job proving the point than Biden himself during the hour and a half debate.
The Media Complicity and Cover-Up
Ramaswamy urges anyone surprised by Biden's debate performance to ask themselves what else the media is lying about, just as they lied about the Russia collusion hoax and the origin of COVID-19. He sees this as an eye-opening moment for many people.
He reports conversations with successful multi-billionaire investors and entrepreneurs who even a year ago would not have thought of publicly voicing support for Donald Trump, but after the debate performance feel licensed to say Biden has no business being president and it is time to coalesce around Trump even if they do not agree with everything he says.
Ramaswamy resists the temptation to be annoyed at these late converts, arguing that if the movement wants to win, it must respect people who change their minds. This is how the America First coalition will grow. He sees this as potentially the first landslide election possibility in decades, creating a generational opportunity for national unity around Donald Trump.
The Broader Democratic Party Deception
Charlie Kirk emphasizes that the critique must broaden beyond Biden to the entire Democrat Party and how they have been lying, calling this a national security issue and a violation of fidelity to the country. He points to involvement from Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Dingell, Maxine Waters, Alejandro Mayorkas, Chris Murphy, Chris Coons, J.B. Pritzker, and Karine Jean-Pierre - all claiming Biden is sharp, on top of his game, and mentally fit.
Ramaswamy agrees this is a wakeup call for America. The media and government have lied systematically about many issues - the Iraq War, the 2008 financial crisis, the Russia collusion hoax, the Hunter Biden laptop story suppression, the origin of COVID-19, and the basis for January 6 prosecutions. He references a Supreme Court ruling bringing back some semblance of the rule of law.
His message to Democrats, independents, and libertarians is that even if they do not agree with 100% of what Trump says, they deserve a government that tells the truth and is not staffed by people from the swamp. Ramaswamy frames this as a once-in-a-generation opportunity to restore the 1776 vision and declare independence from a lying government.
The Prison Threat and Battle Plan
When asked about the possibility of Trump being imprisoned on July 11th, Ramaswamy believes they have been playing for a prison sentence for a long time, but the debate performance has made it irrelevant. He praises Trump for creating a shield based on truth and vision for the country's future.
Ramaswamy argues that whether they imprison Trump or not, he has successfully explained to the American people why it is all a sham and why the reason for imprisonment would be the fact that he is running to fix the country. The actual battle plan is ensuring victory in November is not a razor-thin 50.1% margin that could be vulnerable to irregularities, but a landslide so big that any issues do not make a difference.
He acknowledges the need to play by existing rules, including early voting that many conservatives dislike, so the rules can be changed later. Ramaswamy emphasizes this is not just Donald Trump's job - if the movement is going to be saved, it must save itself.
Running Against the Regime, Not the Candidate
Ramaswamy stresses that the campaign is running against a machine, comparing it to an evil version of the San Antonio Spurs where it does not matter which players are on the field. He mentions bumping into Gavin Newsom in the spin room, noting he was as radiant as ever, though Ramaswamy has doubts whether it will be Newsom versus someone who checks identity politics boxes like Michelle Obama.
Regardless of who the Democrats put forward, Ramaswamy describes this as a holy mission to revive the country. He challenges the America First movement to keep its eye on the ball - dismantling the Deep State, the three-letter agencies, and the regulatory state. That is the objective, and the movement must avoid other goals that might call for expansion of the regulatory state.
Charlie Kirk concludes by emphasizing that the Democrats are on defense wondering if they have a nominee, but the election is not won. Instead of just delighting with popcorn, he calls for pivoting to voter registration and ballot chasing. He announces Project 42 - an effort to register 42,000 voters with incentives including signed copies of his book for 25 registered voters, invitation to appear on his show for 100 voters, and a flight to Phoenix for dinner for 250 voters.
Video Transcript
joining us now is v ramaswami v was
there in Atlanta yesterday V I want to
get your immediate reaction to what
happened last night and the implications
for who we may or may not be running up
against moving
forward yeah well Charlie look I said
this in the Republican debates and over
the course of my entire presidential
campaign last year this was highly
unlikely ever to be a Biden opponent
that we were up against and last night
made that clear as day for a second even
taking the partisan goggles off it was
sad just as a US citizen as a citizen of
this country Republican or Democrat to
see a nominal president of the United
States who is failing to function even
the basic activities of daily living of
a human being this is a lie and I think
the government owes the people of this
country an answer that it's now clear
that this man is not running the country
if it's not Joe Biden who actually is
and I think we the people deserve a
response on that but I think that was
the number one takeaway from last night
president Trump did an outstanding job I
think it was one of his best debate
performances I think may be one of the
best debate performances in modern
history actually he landed some
authentic messages that I think came
through the TV I think at the point
where he said quite honestly and I know
he believes this he wishes that Joe
Biden were a good president because if
he were then Donald Trump wouldn't have
to be putting himself through this he
could be living a better life I think
that landed with a lot of independence
with a lot of CEOs who I've talked to
with a lot of people who are maybe
centrists or Independents that are
leaning towards Trump I think that
really spoke to them and I think that
that landed with them in a way that some
of the other things that we might have
said on the on the right may not have
landed with them in the same way so I
think it was a success on a number of
counts I think it opens up some real
questions that our government owes the
people some hard answers on in terms of
who's actually running the country right
now we deserve to know and I do think
that this was a trap in the making this
was intentional what we saw last night
it was not an accident it was by
intentional design and how do we know
that it's because the Democratic party
explicitly negotiated for this unusually
early debate the earliest debate that's
taken place in American history the
first one ever before the nominating con
Convention of either party why did they
do it it was their final opportunity to
toss the old man to one side as I've
been saying for the entire last year and
a half that's exactly what they're going
to do and what they described as a
conspiracy theory last year has now
become a reality today and I have my
views on how this is going to go but I
think it's going to make for a very
eventful five months ahead and that's
why complacency is not an option for us
Charlie I think it's one of the traps we
can fall into the other side has always
been one step ahead and I think we risk
falling into the Trap of complacency if
we think that the race is over because
Biden failed it may just be that the
race is just now
beginning lots of people might have
thought we won the election last night
that is not true enjoy it we it's been a
long time since we had a night to really
enjoy where the Democrats are freaking
out the election might just be starting
you said this at the Republican primary
debates roll tape
174 I also want to close with one
message to the Democrat Party end this
farce that Joe Biden is going to be your
nominee we know he's not even the
president of the United States he's a
puppet for the managerial class so have
the guts to step up and be honest about
who you're actually going to put up so
we can have an honest debate Biden
should step aside end his candidacy now
so we can see whether it's Nome or
Michelle Obama or whoever else just tell
us the truth so we can have an
hon
Ambassador boy that feels like a
lifetime ago V then what is the process
and the timeline of how you think
they're going to remove Joe Biden
because right now Joe Biden is rallying
his supporters um they're chanting four
more years he's leaning in he's white
knuckling can this be done if Joe Biden
White Knuckles I think they're chanting
four more years for Obama I think it's
effectively who they're rooting for I
think that that in some measure maybe
the person or among those who are behind
the scenes right now anyway the reality
is I don't think Michelle Obama is off
the table I don't think a lot of these
other candidates for the Democrats are
off the table who they've otherwise
dismissed so far and in some ways
Charlie that's a best case scenario that
they're trying to play for because if
somebody comes in really late it avoids
them being scrutinized but has the
election occur right where they're still
in the middle of the honeymoon phase
that would be wrong it would be
deceptive it would be a lie on the
American people and if and when that
happens I want people at home in
Independence and Libertarians and even
Democrats to ask themselves are you
going to tolerate a leadership class in
this country that lies to you that
explicitly just weeks ago it was New
York Times headlines claiming that it
was creative rightwing video clipping
that was selective editing showing Joe
Biden to be frail you know what none of
that video clipping however good those
video Clippers were none of them could
have done a better job of proving the
point than actually Joe Biden directly
for an hour and a half on that stage
last night and so my message to anybody
in this country who is surprised by what
they saw last night if you're actually
surprised when Biden's frailties have
been this clear for this long ask
yourself if the media could lie to you
about that what else are they also lying
to you about right now did just like
they lied to you about the Russia
collusion hoax the origin of covid
everything else what else are they lying
to you about right now and I hope that's
an eye openening moment to a lot of
people Charlie I think the good news is
I I talk to a lot of people who have
been successful multi-billionaires
investors Etc who even a year ago
entrepreneurs who wouldn't have thought
of even publicly voicing support for
Donald Trump who after a performance
like last night I think do feel some
licensed to say you know what Joe has no
business being the president of the
United States it's time to coales around
Donald Trump even if we don't agree with
everything he says and I think there's a
Temptation on our side I even feel some
of this when I have those conversations
to sort of be annoyed to say okay where
were you a year ago and where were you
two years ago and why weren't you saying
the same thing I think we've actually
got to resist that if we want to win the
election this year even for people who
are coming to the same views that people
like you and I might have had a year ago
we should say you know what we respect
somebody who's able to change their mind
that's how we're going to grow our
America First Coalition and really turn
this election on the positive side so on
the negative side complacency is not an
option but on the positive side this
could be the first Landslide election
possibility we've had in decades in a
generation and think about what that
does for the possibility of actually
National Unity something we've forgotten
in the United States to unite around a
leader like Donald Trump that's a
generational opportunity that I don't
want to squander and that's going to
require us to give space to centrists
and even people on the center l
give them the space not to put them in a
box and say you were wrong and have to
have the views you had a year ago but to
say that you know what if you want to
open your mind and actually open your
eyes and say we're all human beings have
made some mistakes great I think this is
an attitude this is a time for us to be
charitable to those kinds of Voters be
they CEOs or university leaders or
anybody else to be able to come with us
because we're going to need every bit of
that to win this in a big Way Joe Biden
is white knuckling in a very serious way
I think we need to broaden this critique
Beyond Joe Biden to the entire Democrat
Party
and how the Democrat party has been
lying about us as you save a this is a
very powerful Montage we pray played it
previously that it's not just a Joe
Biden thing is that they've been
covering up for this this is a national
security issue this is a violation of
the Fidelity to the country this
involves Schumer and Pelosi this
involves Debbie Dingle this involves
Maxine Waters this involves Alejandra
mayorcas this involves Chris Murphy this
involves Coons every major Democrat when
asked JB pritsker uh from Dan
Schneiderman all the these guys oh uh
Karine Jean Pierre he's the best we've
ever seen him and the American people
can Now understand our ruling class they
are pack of liars that your leaders lie
to you repeatedly with
zero with zero concern for the truth
plot
157 he is sharp intensely probing and
detail oriented and focused this is a
man who is sharp who is on top of his
game who knows what's going on this
guy's tough he's smart he's on his game
his mental acuity is great this is a
very sharp president this is a man
that's on his game President Biden is
absolutely fit there's there's not a
problem he's sharp he's fit he's always
answering questions he is on the ball he
was sharper than anyone I've spoken to
he is sharp uh he is on top of things
there's no doubt in my mind that the
president is mentally fit for office
Biden has proven himself to have a
strong memory he's completely mentally
he's at the top of his
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game oh they are stuck bake they have
dug themselves a whole the vake your
response look the reality is this is a
wakeup call for America Charlie the
media has lied and the government has
lied systematically you go straight down
the list this goes back a very long time
you could go to the Iraq War you could
go to the 2008 financial crisis you
could go to the Russia collusion hoax
that never was the hunter Biden laptop
story that was suppressed on the eve of
the last election talk about the origin
of covid-19 the truth about what they
suppressed at the basis for the
prosecutions of January 6 look at that
Supreme Court ruling coming out today
finally at least bringing back some
semblance of the rule of law to this
country these people have lied and they
have lied systematically without
accountability is it any surpris that
they continue to lie about Biden's
Fitness for office as well and so that's
my message to many Democrats and many
independent-minded Libertarians or
anybody else's you may not agree with
100% of what Donald Trump says but you
deserve a government that actually tells
you the truth and isn't staffed by
people who grew up in the very swamp
that we need to go in there and drain
this is a once in a generation
opportunity to restore the 1776 Vision
that our founding fathers had in mind
when they declared independence from a
lying British Monarchy it's time to
declare our new Independence in 2024 and
if we squander this opportunity we're
not going to get it again this is the
moment for Americans to actually say you
know what I don't care what label you
are black or white or forget democrat or
republican those labels don't mean
anything this is our chance to put back
a government that actually just tells us
for God's sake once and for all give us
the truth we can handle it and I think
the fact that they've tried to coddle us
this long and failed paves the way for
an opportunity that if we squandered
this time we're not going to have it
again this is our time to step up and
seize it this November the then what
needs to be our battle plan if they
throw Donald Trump in prison on July
11th do do you think that two questions
what's our battle plan or do you think
and also do you think it's more or less
like that M puts Trump in immediate
prison
sentence I think they have been playing
for this prison sentence for a long time
Charlie if they were going to go this
distance they didn't want to stop
halfway but the reality is if you look
at the performance of last night it's
completely made all of this irrelevant
actually and that's the beauty of Donald
Trump and what you got to respect about
everything he's done against what they
set up as the odds first try to take him
off the ballot without even a trial then
multiple different cases two Federal
cases a Georgia case as well as the New
York case all at once three of those
cases now move to one side the New York
conviction already acquitted in the eyes
of the voting public so even if they do
put him in jail he's in some ways
immunized himself he has created a
shield based on truth based on his
vision for the future of this country
and I respect the hell out of him for
that and that's what makes America great
is leaders who are able to say you know
what the people on the other side are
going to continue to bring the arrows it
didn't stop our founding fathers from
winning the Revolution and I don't think
it's going to stop Donald Trump from
winning this election if we all do our
part as well so whether they put him in
prison or not I think Donald Trump has
it nailed to be able to explain to the
American people why it's all a sham and
why the reason they're imprisoning him
is the very fact that he's running and
trying to fix this country what I think
the actual battle plan is is how do the
rest of us do our part to ensure that
actual victory such that when we come
out in November it's not 50.1 razor thin
margin minus some Shenanigans that's a
loss this has to be a landslide has to
be so big that any Shenanigans don't
make a difference in this election and
after last night I think we have a first
in a generation opportunity to do it but
you know what you don't like early
voting too bad play by the rules as they
exist unfortunately so that we could
change the rules to what they need to be
and we as a movement need to say you
know what it's not just Donald Trump's
job if we're going to be saved we're
going to be saved because we save
ourselves and that I think is the real
battle plan irrespective of what they do
putting him in prison or not either way
I think that's going to work in Donald
Trump's
favor and and so so final question here
V I know I got to let you go in just a
second here a lot of people are worried
about the path forward if they pull a
Michelle Obama or a Gavin Nome I think
it's critical this summer we Define that
we're running against the Democrat
regime not against Joe Biden your
thoughts of ramaswami the reality is
that we are running against a machine
it's like the equivalent of an evil
version of the San Antonio Spurs right
it doesn't matter which players on the
field it's a machine that runs itself
either way I happen to bump into Gavin
Nome in the spin room and outside the
spin room yesterday the guy was as
radiant as I've ever seen I have doubts
whether it'll be him versus somebody who
checks the identity politic boxes like
Michelle Obama but that's exactly the
attitude is it doesn't matter who we're
against we're running this it's a holy
mission that we're on to revive this
country regardless of what that machine
puts up and I also think it's something
that our movement needs to keep in mind
and this is an interesting maybe longer
discussion for another day between us
Charlie I think our own America first
movement needs to keep our eye on the
ball dismantling the Deep State
dismantling those three-letter agencies
dismantling the regulatory state that is
actually our objective and sometimes we
risk taking our eye off the ball going
after other objectives on the way no
shut it down that has to be our
objective and I'm challenging everybody
else in our movement there may be a lot
of other goals we want to solve for none
of them can actually call for expansion
of the regulatory State we keep our eye
in that ball we shut it down this never
happens again in American history but
this time that is the machine we're up
against and we're going in to dismantle
that machine and it's going to take
leaders starting with Donald Trump who
have their eye on that objective and
actually go in and deliver
it vami I know you got to dash thanks so
much great work as always thank you
thank you email us freedom Charli
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