Where is the assassin? On the ground in Utah as leads pour in — Charlie Kirk murder

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[00:05] manhunt continues for the person who

[00:08] shot and killed Charlie Kirk. Uh I have

[00:10] the latest in this episode on what

[00:13] police are telling us and what they may

[00:15] not be telling us behind the scenes.

[00:17] They say they still don't know who the

[00:19] suspect is. Is that actually the case?

[00:22] Could there be more that they know? Uh

[00:25] the latest on the manhunt coming up in

[00:27] this edition of Brian Investigates. Hey

[00:29] guys. Um, so I'm outside the university

[00:31] now where it's still um an active

[00:33] manhunt that's happening looking for um

[00:36] the the man who shot and killed um

[00:39] Charlie Kirk. I want to show you these

[00:41] new photos. These are brand new photos

[00:44] um that the FBI has released um another

[00:48] batch of photos from security cameras

[00:49] here on campus. So you can get a really

[00:51] good look. Uh this is the person. This

[00:53] is the person of interest. You can see

[00:54] the shirt is really significant. There's

[00:56] like an American flag on it. the hat. Um

[01:00] the shoes, these new pictures that came

[01:02] out, um the governor was really really

[01:05] making a point to emphasize the shoes

[01:07] because they're Converse. Uh and you can

[01:10] see there's a side angle. He's wearing a

[01:13] backpack. Um a closer view of the shirt,

[01:17] um the hat, the glasses, anything that

[01:20] you might recognize could be helpful. Um

[01:23] again, here's a better picture of the

[01:24] Converse as he's going up the stairs.

[01:26] And then there's a back uh a picture um

[01:30] from the uh from the back. Sorry if I

[01:32] sound really really tired. Um it's just

[01:34] kind of been a day. I'm going to walk

[01:36] you through everything. I also have the

[01:37] former FBI agent that I interviewed last

[01:39] night on again to help me understand

[01:40] some of the weird things that happened

[01:42] today. I'm going to get to that in a

[01:43] second. But I want to show you this

[01:44] video. This is surveillance video that

[01:47] was also released today from um the FBI.

[01:51] And so this is a surveillance camera

[01:54] that is back behind the amphitheater

[01:57] where Charlie Kirk was shot. Um, and you

[02:01] can see when it zooms in, look on the

[02:03] top of the roof uh there and you're

[02:06] going to see the suspect running uh on

[02:09] the top of the roof. He runs across the

[02:11] top

[02:13] um very fast and then he they zoom in

[02:17] here and you see he is now climbing over

[02:20] the side.

[02:22] He um puts his uh sort of feet down on a

[02:26] ledge there and then he jumps down and

[02:29] then he starts running um through

[02:33] through the field. And look look again

[02:35] close up here. Um

[02:38] he's got the backpack. This is after

[02:40] he's shot Charlie Kirk. Uh he puts his

[02:43] feet down on the ledge and then he drops

[02:45] down and he starts running

[02:49] across the field. Um and you can see as

[02:53] he runs

[02:55] uh through the parking lot and then um

[02:58] there's a perimeter. Look, there's even

[02:59] a car that's that's driving by. Uh and

[03:02] he kind of slows down there. I don't

[03:03] know if that's cuz he doesn't want to

[03:04] look suspicious. Um, and then he crosses

[03:07] over the perimeter road, uh, and goes

[03:11] and then drops the gun on the other

[03:13] side. Um, and you can see that he's just

[03:15] sort of blending in now, walking. Um,

[03:18] what's interesting is TMZ had this video

[03:20] from a security camera in the

[03:23] neighborhood in the back there um,

[03:25] behind the campus where he took off and

[03:27] you see him limping, which was very,

[03:29] very interesting to me. They had video

[03:30] of him arrive going to the campus and

[03:33] leaving the campus. And you see him

[03:34] limping. Um, which I think is him

[03:39] concealing the rifle. I think the gun is

[03:42] underneath his shirt and in his pants

[03:44] and that is why he is limping because it

[03:46] doesn't make any sense when you look

[03:48] back at this surveillance video again.

[03:50] And I'll show you one more time. You see

[03:52] when he after he drops down, he very

[03:54] clearly is able to run without a limp at

[03:58] all. He's just running through the

[04:00] field. Um, and there's no limp. So, the

[04:04] TMZ video, which you guys can look up,

[04:07] where he is limping um on his way to

[04:11] shoot Charlie Kirk allegedly, um,

[04:16] I think he's limping and based on some

[04:18] sources who I've spoken to like like

[04:20] former FBI agents and stuff that that

[04:23] because he's concealing the gun. Um, so

[04:26] we'll have to wait and see, but it's

[04:28] very strange because why is he limping

[04:29] in that video but then able to run so

[04:31] easily in this surveillance video. I

[04:34] want to show you a couple other pieces

[04:36] of video that I got today. Um, this is

[04:38] from that area where you saw him

[04:40] running. This this is video. They've got

[04:42] it all taped off. This is where he um

[04:46] left the gun, where he dropped the

[04:47] rifle. Uh they I was out there right

[04:50] when the FBI got there and they ended up

[04:52] pushing me way back, but I was able to

[04:53] get that video. Uh and then this is

[04:56] video of the roof. Initially, when I saw

[04:58] the ladder, I thought that perhaps um he

[05:01] used a ladder to get up on the roof,

[05:03] which would have been very very similar

[05:04] to when President Trump was shot in

[05:07] Butler. Um but now that we have the

[05:10] surveillance video where you can see

[05:11] when he drops down, that is the same

[05:13] exact area where uh I saw that ladder

[05:16] today. So, the ladder was not part of

[05:18] the shooting. The ladder was something

[05:20] that they put up, the investigators. So,

[05:22] I just want to clear that up cuz I made

[05:24] kind of a point to show you guys the

[05:26] ladder earlier. Also, back to the

[05:28] surveillance video. When you see him run

[05:30] to the edge before he jumps down, you

[05:34] see him um kneel down. That is where

[05:37] they were able to get the uh like

[05:40] forearm

[05:42] um how did they describe it? when they

[05:43] said there was like forearm prints and

[05:46] footprints, it was right there um right

[05:48] before he jumped down cuz there's gravel

[05:50] up there on the um on the roof. So

[05:54] that's where they were able to get those

[05:56] prints which will come come in handy. Uh

[05:58] let me go through my notes here and see

[06:00] what else I'm leaving out from today. Uh

[06:02] oh, so the Utah governor. Okay, so let

[06:04] me walk you through the what happened

[06:05] today with the press conference

[06:06] situation because this was kind of

[06:07] interesting. So, um,

[06:11] they said this afternoon that they were

[06:13] going to have another press conference,

[06:15] uh, and there were sort of rumblings

[06:17] that things may be happening behind the

[06:19] scenes. And then they came out about 45

[06:22] minutes before that press conference was

[06:24] supposed to start and they came to all

[06:26] of our media tents and said, "We're

[06:27] postponing the press conference. We

[06:29] don't have an update on a time, but

[06:31] we're postponing the press conference."

[06:33] So, a lot of us thought that that meant

[06:35] that something may have been happening

[06:36] behind the scenes. Hours and hours and

[06:38] hours went by. We got video of FBI

[06:41] Director Cash Patel arriving here in

[06:43] Utah and then he arrived here at the

[06:45] university and went into the command

[06:47] center. Um and then they announced that

[06:50] there was going to be another press

[06:51] conference uh this evening and they

[06:54] listed the speakers. It was like uh it

[06:56] was Cash Patel. It was also the um

[06:59] special agent in charge and two other

[07:00] people. So that press conference I think

[07:03] was supposed to start at 7:30 local

[07:04] time, 7:30 Mountain time.

[07:07] So, uh, that's delayed. That starts like

[07:10] 15 or 20 minutes late. Sorry, there's a

[07:12] motorcycle going by. And when the press

[07:14] conference begins, it's just the

[07:16] governor of Utah who speaks. Cash Patel

[07:18] is there, but he doesn't speak at all.

[07:21] And the governor of Utah says, "Uh,

[07:22] we're not going to take any questions

[07:25] and, um, I'm just going to give you this

[07:27] new information." He basically gave

[07:28] those new photos that I just showed you.

[07:30] gave the new surveillance video and um

[07:33] said that they're still on the hunt for

[07:34] the suspect uh and that there wasn't

[07:36] much more of a significant update. But

[07:38] it was kind of strange that Cash Patel

[07:41] was there but didn't speak and was just

[07:43] standing there when we were expecting

[07:44] him to speak when he was on the list.

[07:46] So,

[07:48] um one thought I have is there may be a

[07:51] lot more information that they have that

[07:52] they're not sharing, which I'm going to

[07:54] ask, um Steve, my former FBI agent

[07:56] friend, in a second. you're going to

[07:57] hear his our conversation. But I think

[08:00] that there could be more information

[08:02] that they have. They may know more than

[08:04] one that they're letting on. They may

[08:05] know who this person is and just be

[08:07] trying to it tricked them in a sense. Um

[08:09] I think I just think it was interesting

[08:12] that it started late and that Cash Patel

[08:14] didn't speak. It it the whole thing was

[08:16] strange to me and makes made my spiny

[08:18] sense think there's something else going

[08:19] on here and that there could be an

[08:22] update coming very very soon. Um, in

[08:25] fact, that's why I'm still out here at

[08:26] the university right now. I just I think

[08:29] also a lot of the police have left, I

[08:31] noticed. Um,

[08:34] I get the sense that there's a big

[08:36] development coming. Um, but we'll have

[08:38] to wait and see. But the way the press

[08:39] conference situation went down was just

[08:41] kind of strange. Uh, at that press

[08:43] conference though, the Utah governor did

[08:45] say that they will pursue the death

[08:46] penalty, but they have no suspect in

[08:49] custody and no name yet name yet.

[08:51] Another thing that I thought was

[08:52] strange, I've never seen anyone say

[08:54] they're going to pursue the death

[08:55] penalty before they actually have the

[08:57] suspect in custody. Um, but that's what

[08:59] he did. What he said, he said that

[09:01] they've conducted over 200 interviews.

[09:03] They were urging anyone with information

[09:05] to come forward and there's now a

[09:06] $100,000 reward being offered by the

[09:10] FBI. So, that's important um and new.

[09:13] Uh, let's see what else there is from

[09:16] today. I took my notes here in X. Um,

[09:19] you guys saw the new photos. Uh,

[09:25] the $100,000 reward.

[09:28] Um, I'm glad I everyone's seen the

[09:31] photos cuz that's really, really

[09:32] important. Um, that was pretty much the

[09:35] extent of it. Uh, so I want to play for

[09:38] you now um my interview um with former

[09:42] FBI agent uh to talk through some of

[09:45] these things. Um, and again, I I think

[09:49] based on what I'm seeing with my own

[09:50] eyes out here that we're going to get a

[09:52] pretty significant update soon. Um, I'm

[09:54] going to try to stay out here. Most of

[09:57] the other media has left. Um, but I will

[09:59] probably try to stay out here for a

[10:01] while just to see what happens. But, um,

[10:03] I'm joined now by Steve Moore, uh,

[10:06] retired FBI agent. He was also on the

[10:08] podcast yesterday. He's been following

[10:10] all this very, very closely. Uh, first

[10:12] of all, Steve, my initial question

[10:15] coming out of that press conference was,

[10:18] do you think they really don't know who

[10:20] this person is?

[10:23] >> I don't think that they are clueless as

[10:26] about about who this person is, but I

[10:29] think they're looking to dial this in

[10:32] just a little bit. You know, it's it

[10:34] seems contradictory because they had a

[10:36] footprint. They had allegedly a palm

[10:38] print, but that doesn't mean the

[10:39] person's ever been fingerprinted. Um,

[10:42] they have the rifle. Uh, if they have a

[10:44] palm print, they may have other prints

[10:47] on the rifle. So, um, they could be at a

[10:51] point where they just need a a quicker

[10:54] break, a a quicker, uh, resolution to

[10:57] this so that this person, you know, if

[11:00] they're thinking about it, they might

[11:01] try to get to a country who won't

[11:03] extradite them, uh, uh, without, uh,

[11:06] without the with the death penalty on

[11:08] the table.

[11:10] It just seemed compared to the press

[11:11] conference yesterday, you know, well,

[11:13] first of all, the list ahead of time

[11:15] showed that Cash Patel was supposed to

[11:17] speak, that the special agent in charge

[11:19] was supposed to speak. There were four

[11:20] speakers and then it was delayed. They

[11:23] said it was going to start, then it

[11:24] started 15 minutes late and it was just

[11:25] the governor who said, "I'm not going to

[11:27] take any questions." And seemed to just

[11:29] have a very controlled

[11:31] like thoughtout message.

[11:33] >> I love that. I really did uh like how

[11:36] that was handled because what happens in

[11:39] these pressers sometimes is you see you

[11:42] see 50 people standing behind the

[11:44] speaker and they say now this person

[11:45] gets their their picture on on TV and

[11:48] now this person. So it that is kind of

[11:51] irritating to me when the people you

[11:53] know I I saw something and this is not

[11:54] to denigrate Cash Patel or anybody else

[11:57] but um you know the people who were

[12:00] investigating that are in the field

[12:02] right now. They're in the streets.

[12:03] They're they're at the command post and

[12:06] you know I saw the headline Cash Patel

[12:07] is coming out to Utah to assist. Well,

[12:11] it's not you know he he's not an

[12:14] investigator. The people out there don't

[12:17] need distractions.

[12:20] >> Do you think he came um and you've got

[12:23] to imagine President Trump is not happy

[12:25] that this shooter hasn't been caught? I

[12:27] mean um you know it's a terrible thing

[12:31] that happened. the whole country is

[12:32] upset. Uh do you think he came to sort

[12:34] of be like you know say you know we got

[12:37] to get on this? I mean to sort of rally

[12:39] the troops a little bit

[12:41] >> when there is a major major um tragedy

[12:46] like this usually somebody like the

[12:48] director would will come out. when I

[12:51] worked at Jewish Community Center school

[12:54] uh shooting in uh Granada Hills,

[12:56] California, uh Janet Reno came out and

[13:00] it is kind of a a a signal to the

[13:04] American public that the government is

[13:06] taking it seriously. Um I I think I

[13:10] think we can all speculate on whether or

[13:12] not Donald Trump would be uh somebody

[13:14] who would be satisfied with uh the slow

[13:17] pace of a case. Uh, but I can tell you

[13:20] that putting pressure on the agents uh

[13:23] will not come close to speeding this up.

[13:27] >> In terms of the new video that they

[13:28] showed of, um, the shooter, you know,

[13:32] dropping down from the roof and then

[13:33] running off, what stood out to you

[13:35] there?

[13:36] >> Boy, just reminded me of John Wils Booth

[13:39] breaking his leg on the stage after

[13:41] shooting Lincoln. Um, it it it struck me

[13:45] that he hadn't practiced that. Uh, you

[13:48] know, that was just his decision to go

[13:50] down there. He was obviously carrying

[13:52] the rifle. It looked like it was a uh

[13:54] looked like it was a non- rigid bag,

[13:56] kind of probably a zip-up bag or

[13:58] something improvised, but the rifle

[14:01] appeared to be with him. And it looked

[14:03] like he uh you know um may have done

[14:06] some damage to his ankle when he landed,

[14:09] but uh you know, it it to me was the

[14:13] least planned part of this whole thing.

[14:16] you know, obviously he may have done his

[14:19] track out of the area uh uh you know,

[14:22] case that, but the jump off there was

[14:24] the first time he had done it, I'm sure.

[14:27] >> Just to go back again that point you

[14:28] made, you think they have some

[14:29] information. I mean, they put out new

[14:31] photos of the suspect 45 minutes before

[14:34] the press conference, asking for the

[14:36] public's help. The governor was very

[14:38] clear during the press conference how

[14:39] how much they need the public's help.

[14:41] There's a $100,000 reward. Um, do you

[14:44] think they're bluffing?

[14:46] >> No. No. I think they really do want to

[14:49] get this resolved faster rather than

[14:52] slower. And um, I think the type of

[14:56] investigation you have to get into now

[14:59] is kind of a plotting scientific type of

[15:03] uh, of investigation that kind of is

[15:06] that is kind of timeconsuming. and they

[15:09] are still hoping for a big break that

[15:12] moves the ball uh you know down the

[15:14] field. I mean what's going on right now

[15:16] is the FBI is going to try to move the

[15:18] ball 50 yards down the line on the

[15:22] ground uh you know three three uh yards

[15:24] at a time. What they're hoping for is a

[15:28] is a hailmary pass and score. And so

[15:33] it's not that they don't have the ball

[15:34] and aren't moving it. It's that it's not

[15:37] moving particularly quickly right now

[15:39] and everybody starts to get um uh

[15:43] agitated when that happens.

[15:46] >> But if they knew the name, why why have

[15:50] the press conference that way and and

[15:51] and show the photos and say, you know,

[15:53] $100,000 reward? I mean, do do you think

[15:56] they actually know the full name or you

[15:57] think they just know something?

[15:59] >> If they know the name, if they actually

[16:02] know this person's name, then they then

[16:04] they can write a book about him already.

[16:06] So if they actually know the name of the

[16:08] person, then this could have been um

[16:10] something to uh make the make the

[16:14] suspect uh complacent because see first

[16:18] of all you said uh you pointed out that

[16:21] um the press conference was not as it

[16:24] was planned originally. So to me what

[16:27] that means is something some new thing

[16:30] came in um uh in the time uh that they

[16:34] were planning this and they felt that um

[16:37] whatever that new thing was um really

[16:42] kind of brought them to the point where

[16:43] they didn't want to have a long involved

[16:46] detailed presser. This was just here's

[16:49] some photos and now we're gone.

[16:51] What about the fact that um he the

[16:54] suspect left the rifle? There's a little

[16:56] wooded area behind the campus. Um it's

[17:00] just off the perimeter road. It's not

[17:01] far away. It's it's maybe I don't know a

[17:03] couple hundred yards from where the

[17:04] shooting happened and he ditched the

[17:05] rifle. Does that surprise you?

[17:08] >> A little bit. A little bit. But see,

[17:09] Brian, what I would need to know as an

[17:12] investigator is is there any physical

[17:14] evidence in that rifle? Um, for

[17:16] instance, are there fingerprints on the

[17:18] on the uh uh rounds that were put into

[17:21] into the uh uh into the rifle? Uh are

[17:24] there fingerprints on the rifle? If so,

[17:27] that would indicate to me that the

[17:29] person's plans uh were kind of going

[17:31] south. Uh they didn't want to carry that

[17:33] rifle anymore. Um maybe they hurt

[17:36] themselves and and was having a were

[17:39] having a rough time moving. I don't know

[17:41] the answer to that and I could be I

[17:43] could be completely wrong, but it does

[17:46] not seem to be in their best interest to

[17:51] um to leave the rifle behind. At the

[17:54] same time, it might indicate that they

[17:56] were trying to blend into a crowd and a

[17:58] rifle makes that hard.

[18:01] Uh what about the fact that this person

[18:03] was caught on surveillance camera not

[18:05] only inside the the the university and I

[18:08] just go back to yesterday a lot of

[18:09] people oh this person might be

[18:10] professional it was a hit job but but

[18:12] caught on surveillance camera inside the

[18:14] university and then also on the ring

[18:15] cameras just walking through the

[18:17] neighborhood. You would think someone

[18:19] professional would know not to do that.

[18:22] No, this is not professional. This is

[18:24] not a professional who was hired to do

[18:26] this. This is a person who did it

[18:28] angrily. Um, a person who is a

[18:30] professional doesn't leave uh etched

[18:34] markings on his bullets. Um, this this

[18:37] is kind of like um a a passion killing

[18:41] almost if if you'll excuse the the

[18:43] bastardization of that use. This is a

[18:46] person who was so mad that they had to

[18:48] make points. They didn't just want to

[18:50] kill the person. They wanted to leave

[18:53] points and they wanted to they wanted to

[18:56] let people know that they had done it.

[18:58] Um very very reminiscent of the

[19:01] executive who was killed in New York uh

[19:03] not long ago.

[19:05] >> Are you we talked last night about this

[19:07] time. Are you surprised that 24 hours

[19:09] later

[19:11] um there's still no one in custody. Did

[19:13] you expect this?

[19:15] >> I didn't expect it to go this long. Uh,

[19:17] in fact, I can tell you all day I've

[19:20] been sitting by my phone, uh, you know,

[19:22] while I'm doing other things, thinking

[19:24] any minute now there's going to be a

[19:26] suspect arrested, uh, announcement that

[19:28] they're arrested. I I still think that I

[19:31] think we're still on an any minute

[19:33] basis. If you give if we go 4 days, 5

[19:37] days, then things start to cool down.

[19:40] This is not like uh this is not like uh

[19:43] um the standard murder where there's no

[19:46] motive. We've got the motive. We've got

[19:48] the motive. We've got the gun. We've got

[19:50] some prints. And uh so the and we've got

[19:54] excellent video. So this is not going to

[19:57] be uh as I said a who done it. But and

[20:00] here's the other thing.

[20:02] We they've got video of him doing all

[20:04] these things. But it it's kind of like

[20:07] statistics. You know, what they show is

[20:09] important, but what they hide is

[20:11] crucial. What's going on here is what

[20:14] the police and FBI are telling you are

[20:16] is important, but what they're not

[20:19] telling you is what they're working on.

[20:22] Uh, by showing these photos, do you know

[20:25] do you know what they did? They didn't

[20:27] say a word about what they were doing.

[20:29] And so, to me, they're not sitting

[20:31] there, you know, twiddling their thumbs.

[20:33] I believe that in all those videos,

[20:36] there's some significant information.

[20:39] For instance, just looking at that

[20:40] photo, I thought I thought it's possible

[20:42] that he had a pistol in his belt. There

[20:45] there was indications of that. Um, in

[20:47] some of the videos, there's somebody

[20:49] stand uh walking ahead of him. Well, I

[20:52] don't know if that person's significant

[20:53] or not, but all these different things

[20:55] that we don't know about, you know, all

[20:58] these moving parts that they are, I

[21:00] think, very cleverly hiding because in

[21:03] the presser they gave us something. You

[21:06] know, here you have this, take this,

[21:07] take this. Oh, good pictures and

[21:09] everything and nobody got to ask a

[21:12] question and nobody told them told the

[21:14] public what they're doing.

[21:17] Does the FBI have a way when they get

[21:20] these surveillance images of someone's

[21:22] face to put it into like some kind of

[21:24] database where I mean because I was

[21:26] thinking about President Trump today

[21:28] said when he was asked about this he

[21:30] said they're on a digital manhunt.

[21:32] That's the way he described it. Do they

[21:34] have a way of tracking someone if once

[21:37] they have a facial image?

[21:40] >> They're working on it. Excuse me. That's

[21:42] all I can that's all I can say. When I

[21:44] came in the bureau, um the the DNA was

[21:48] just coming in. When I entered the

[21:50] bureau, we had never tried a DNA case.

[21:53] And so we had to go through all the

[21:55] hiccups and all that when when DNA came

[21:57] in. Um right now, facial recognition

[22:01] software is um is that is one of those

[22:04] things where um it's go it's not a

[22:08] matured science yet. It's not a mature

[22:12] technology. Plus you need a database

[22:15] from which to you know search these

[22:18] things. You know say if you can get some

[22:20] kind of picture or some kind of code

[22:24] that perfectly describes that phase.

[22:27] Well then you have to decide what you're

[22:28] going to compare it against. And um

[22:32] right now there's uh about 350 million

[22:35] people in the United States.

[22:38] I was inside there last night before

[22:40] they shut everything down and I could

[22:42] see all the agents and they were all in

[22:43] different rooms all huddled together and

[22:44] I was just thinking today, you know,

[22:46] when Cash Patel shows up when I mean

[22:49] again the country is enraged by this

[22:52] assassination,

[22:54] does it when you've when you worked for

[22:57] the bureau? I mean, is there a certain

[22:58] level of pressure that you feel in a

[23:00] situation like this?

[23:02] >> Oh, it's immense. It's it's immense. uh

[23:05] you get calls from uh people that you've

[23:07] only seen on the news and uh there is uh

[23:11] there are pointed questions about you

[23:14] know when is this coming back or when

[23:16] are you going to get results from this

[23:17] and why haven't you tracked this and why

[23:20] haven't you it it's like people who

[23:22] don't know the case um are are

[23:25] questioning you about it and what's

[23:26] frustrating about that is every time you

[23:29] have to sit in a room for an hour and

[23:31] brief an executive that's an hour you're

[23:34] not investigating and they take they

[23:36] tend to take the case agent, the one

[23:39] who's in charge of the investigation,

[23:41] and pull them out for a while. That's

[23:43] like taking the uh pilot out of the

[23:45] cockpit of an airliner and bringing him

[23:46] back um uh to the back to talk to him.

[23:50] So, while it's necessary, and I

[23:52] understand that the that the government

[23:55] has to be uh has to be kept informed, uh

[23:59] it is it is somewhat of a of a chore. We

[24:03] used to call it feeding the beast. Every

[24:05] day they need their food that you have

[24:08] to feed the beast on these cases.

[24:10] >> What do you think it means that we

[24:12] haven't seen any helicopters up around

[24:14] or really it doesn't feel like a a

[24:16] manhunt right here at the university?

[24:18] >> No, it's not that type of manhunt. There

[24:21] are there are uh exigent manhunts where

[24:23] the person is in the area. There are um

[24:27] and now we've gone past that. So there's

[24:30] really nothing to look for because you

[24:32] have no reason to believe that um this

[24:35] person would could be I mean could be

[24:38] obviously but would be in the area. And

[24:40] what you do is is you kind of do a

[24:42] mental um mental uh graph of how far you

[24:46] can get in the time that's transpired.

[24:48] Well, we've gone 24 hours. You can get a

[24:51] lot of places in the United States in 24

[24:53] hours. So, there's not going to there's

[24:56] there's no point in doing a ground

[24:58] search or uh some type of physical

[25:01] search for somebody uh that you're

[25:03] really not sure about.

[25:05] >> All right. I appreciate Steve for for

[25:06] talking with me again tonight. Again,

[25:08] I'm sorry if I sound really tired. It's

[25:09] been a really really long day. I want to

[25:11] show you there's this um memorial that's

[25:14] been started out here for Charlie Kirk.

[25:16] Um a lot of people coming by and

[25:18] bringing flowers. I've met so many nice

[25:20] people out here. A lot of people are

[25:21] very, very emotional. this part of Utah,

[25:23] you know, there's no crime really.

[25:25] People are not used to these kinds of

[25:26] things happening. Um, so it's been

[25:29] difficult for them. So many people in

[25:30] town were at the um event and uh just

[25:35] are traumatized by it. I interviewed a

[25:37] family today. Um the dad had to dive on

[25:39] top of his baby, was scared after he

[25:42] heard the first shot. So people are

[25:43] traumatized. My heart goes out to them.

[25:45] I hope this is over soon. I have a

[25:48] feeling that it's going to be uh and

[25:50] I'll keep you guys posted if anything

[25:52] else develops. All right, see you guys

[25:53] later.

Hey guys, thanks so much for checking out my channel. I really appreciate it. Please click to subscribe. Uh the manhunt continues for the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk. Uh I have the latest in this episode on what police are telling us and what they may not be telling us behind the scenes. They say they still don't know who the suspect is. Is that actually the case? Could there be more that they know? Uh the latest on the manhunt coming up in this edition of Brian Investigates. Hey guys. Um, so I'm outside the university now where it's still um an active manhunt that's happening looking for um the the man who shot and killed um Charlie Kirk. I want to show you these new photos. These are brand new photos um that the FBI has released um another batch of photos from security cameras here on campus. So you can get a really good look. Uh this is the person. This is the person of interest. You can see the shirt is really significant. There's like an American flag on it. the hat. Um the shoes, these new pictures that came out, um the governor was really really making a point to emphasize the shoes because they're Converse. Uh and you can see there's a side angle. He's wearing a backpack. Um a closer view of the shirt, um the hat, the glasses, anything that you might recognize could be helpful. Um again, here's a better picture of the Converse as he's going up the stairs. And then there's a back uh a picture um from the uh from the back. Sorry if I sound really really tired. Um it's just kind of been a day. I'm going to walk you through everything. I also have the former FBI agent that I interviewed last night on again to help me understand some of the weird things that happened today. I'm going to get to that in a second. But I want to show you this video. This is surveillance video that was also released today from um the FBI. And so this is a surveillance camera that is back behind the amphitheater where Charlie Kirk was shot. Um, and you can see when it zooms in, look on the top of the roof uh there and you're going to see the suspect running uh on the top of the roof. He runs across the top um very fast and then he they zoom in here and you see he is now climbing over the side. He um puts his uh sort of feet down on a ledge there and then he jumps down and then he starts running um through through the field. And look look again close up here. Um he's got the backpack. This is after he's shot Charlie Kirk. Uh he puts his feet down on the ledge and then he drops down and he starts running across the field. Um and you can see as he runs uh through the parking lot and then um there's a perimeter. Look, there's even a car that's that's driving by. Uh and he kind of slows down there. I don't know if that's cuz he doesn't want to look suspicious. Um, and then he crosses over the perimeter road, uh, and goes and then drops the gun on the other side. Um, and you can see that he's just sort of blending in now, walking. Um, what's interesting is TMZ had this video from a security camera in the neighborhood in the back there um, behind the campus where he took off and you see him limping, which was very, very interesting to me. They had video of him arrive going to the campus and leaving the campus. And you see him limping. Um, which I think is him concealing the rifle. I think the gun is underneath his shirt and in his pants and that is why he is limping because it doesn't make any sense when you look back at this surveillance video again. And I'll show you one more time. You see when he after he drops down, he very clearly is able to run without a limp at all. He's just running through the field. Um, and there's no limp. So, the TMZ video, which you guys can look up, where he is limping um on his way to shoot Charlie Kirk allegedly, um, I think he's limping and based on some sources who I've spoken to like like former FBI agents and stuff that that because he's concealing the gun. Um, so we'll have to wait and see, but it's very strange because why is he limping in that video but then able to run so easily in this surveillance video. I want to show you a couple other pieces of video that I got today. Um, this is from that area where you saw him running. This this is video. They've got it all taped off. This is where he um left the gun, where he dropped the rifle. Uh they I was out there right when the FBI got there and they ended up pushing me way back, but I was able to get that video. Uh and then this is video of the roof. Initially, when I saw the ladder, I thought that perhaps um he used a ladder to get up on the roof, which would have been very very similar to when President Trump was shot in Butler. Um but now that we have the surveillance video where you can see when he drops down, that is the same exact area where uh I saw that ladder today. So, the ladder was not part of the shooting. The ladder was something that they put up, the investigators. So, I just want to clear that up cuz I made kind of a point to show you guys the ladder earlier. Also, back to the surveillance video. When you see him run to the edge before he jumps down, you see him um kneel down. That is where they were able to get the uh like forearm um how did they describe it? when they said there was like forearm prints and footprints, it was right there um right before he jumped down cuz there's gravel up there on the um on the roof. So that's where they were able to get those prints which will come come in handy. Uh let me go through my notes here and see what else I'm leaving out from today. Uh oh, so the Utah governor. Okay, so let me walk you through the what happened today with the press conference situation because this was kind of interesting. So, um, they said this afternoon that they were going to have another press conference, uh, and there were sort of rumblings that things may be happening behind the scenes. And then they came out about 45 minutes before that press conference was supposed to start and they came to all of our media tents and said, "We're postponing the press conference. We don't have an update on a time, but we're postponing the press conference." So, a lot of us thought that that meant that something may have been happening behind the scenes. Hours and hours and hours went by. We got video of FBI Director Cash Patel arriving here in Utah and then he arrived here at the university and went into the command center. Um and then they announced that there was going to be another press conference uh this evening and they listed the speakers. It was like uh it was Cash Patel. It was also the um special agent in charge and two other people. So that press conference I think was supposed to start at 7:30 local time, 7:30 Mountain time. So, uh, that's delayed. That starts like 15 or 20 minutes late. Sorry, there's a motorcycle going by. And when the press conference begins, it's just the governor of Utah who speaks. Cash Patel is there, but he doesn't speak at all. And the governor of Utah says, "Uh, we're not going to take any questions and, um, I'm just going to give you this new information." He basically gave those new photos that I just showed you. gave the new surveillance video and um said that they're still on the hunt for the suspect uh and that there wasn't much more of a significant update. But it was kind of strange that Cash Patel was there but didn't speak and was just standing there when we were expecting him to speak when he was on the list. So, um one thought I have is there may be a lot more information that they have that they're not sharing, which I'm going to ask, um Steve, my former FBI agent friend, in a second. you're going to hear his our conversation. But I think that there could be more information that they have. They may know more than one that they're letting on. They may know who this person is and just be trying to it tricked them in a sense. Um I think I just think it was interesting that it started late and that Cash Patel didn't speak. It it the whole thing was strange to me and makes made my spiny sense think there's something else going on here and that there could be an update coming very very soon. Um, in fact, that's why I'm still out here at the university right now. I just I think also a lot of the police have left, I noticed. Um, I get the sense that there's a big development coming. Um, but we'll have to wait and see. But the way the press conference situation went down was just kind of strange. Uh, at that press conference though, the Utah governor did say that they will pursue the death penalty, but they have no suspect in custody and no name yet name yet. Another thing that I thought was strange, I've never seen anyone say they're going to pursue the death penalty before they actually have the suspect in custody. Um, but that's what he did. What he said, he said that they've conducted over 200 interviews. They were urging anyone with information to come forward and there's now a $100,000 reward being offered by the FBI. So, that's important um and new. Uh, let's see what else there is from today. I took my notes here in X. Um, you guys saw the new photos. Uh, the $100,000 reward. Um, I'm glad I everyone's seen the photos cuz that's really, really important. Um, that was pretty much the extent of it. Uh, so I want to play for you now um my interview um with former FBI agent uh to talk through some of these things. Um, and again, I I think based on what I'm seeing with my own eyes out here that we're going to get a pretty significant update soon. Um, I'm going to try to stay out here. Most of the other media has left. Um, but I will probably try to stay out here for a while just to see what happens. But, um, I'm joined now by Steve Moore, uh, retired FBI agent. He was also on the podcast yesterday. He's been following all this very, very closely. Uh, first of all, Steve, my initial question coming out of that press conference was, do you think they really don't know who this person is? >> I don't think that they are clueless as about about who this person is, but I think they're looking to dial this in just a little bit. You know, it's it seems contradictory because they had a footprint. They had allegedly a palm print, but that doesn't mean the person's ever been fingerprinted. Um, they have the rifle. Uh, if they have a palm print, they may have other prints on the rifle. So, um, they could be at a point where they just need a a quicker break, a a quicker, uh, resolution to this so that this person, you know, if they're thinking about it, they might try to get to a country who won't extradite them, uh, uh, without, uh, without the with the death penalty on the table. It just seemed compared to the press conference yesterday, you know, well, first of all, the list ahead of time showed that Cash Patel was supposed to speak, that the special agent in charge was supposed to speak. There were four speakers and then it was delayed. They said it was going to start, then it started 15 minutes late and it was just the governor who said, "I'm not going to take any questions." And seemed to just have a very controlled like thoughtout message. >> I love that. I really did uh like how that was handled because what happens in these pressers sometimes is you see you see 50 people standing behind the speaker and they say now this person gets their their picture on on TV and now this person. So it that is kind of irritating to me when the people you know I I saw something and this is not to denigrate Cash Patel or anybody else but um you know the people who were investigating that are in the field right now. They're in the streets. They're they're at the command post and you know I saw the headline Cash Patel is coming out to Utah to assist. Well, it's not you know he he's not an investigator. The people out there don't need distractions. >> Do you think he came um and you've got to imagine President Trump is not happy that this shooter hasn't been caught? I mean um you know it's a terrible thing that happened. the whole country is upset. Uh do you think he came to sort of be like you know say you know we got to get on this? I mean to sort of rally the troops a little bit >> when there is a major major um tragedy like this usually somebody like the director would will come out. when I worked at Jewish Community Center school uh shooting in uh Granada Hills, California, uh Janet Reno came out and it is kind of a a a signal to the American public that the government is taking it seriously. Um I I think I think we can all speculate on whether or not Donald Trump would be uh somebody who would be satisfied with uh the slow pace of a case. Uh, but I can tell you that putting pressure on the agents uh will not come close to speeding this up. >> In terms of the new video that they showed of, um, the shooter, you know, dropping down from the roof and then running off, what stood out to you there? >> Boy, just reminded me of John Wils Booth breaking his leg on the stage after shooting Lincoln. Um, it it it struck me that he hadn't practiced that. Uh, you know, that was just his decision to go down there. He was obviously carrying the rifle. It looked like it was a uh looked like it was a non- rigid bag, kind of probably a zip-up bag or something improvised, but the rifle appeared to be with him. And it looked like he uh you know um may have done some damage to his ankle when he landed, but uh you know, it it to me was the least planned part of this whole thing. you know, obviously he may have done his track out of the area uh uh you know, case that, but the jump off there was the first time he had done it, I'm sure. >> Just to go back again that point you made, you think they have some information. I mean, they put out new photos of the suspect 45 minutes before the press conference, asking for the public's help. The governor was very clear during the press conference how how much they need the public's help. There's a $100,000 reward. Um, do you think they're bluffing? >> No. No. I think they really do want to get this resolved faster rather than slower. And um, I think the type of investigation you have to get into now is kind of a plotting scientific type of uh, of investigation that kind of is that is kind of timeconsuming. and they are still hoping for a big break that moves the ball uh you know down the field. I mean what's going on right now is the FBI is going to try to move the ball 50 yards down the line on the ground uh you know three three uh yards at a time. What they're hoping for is a is a hailmary pass and score. And so it's not that they don't have the ball and aren't moving it. It's that it's not moving particularly quickly right now and everybody starts to get um uh agitated when that happens. >> But if they knew the name, why why have the press conference that way and and and show the photos and say, you know, $100,000 reward? I mean, do do you think they actually know the full name or you think they just know something? >> If they know the name, if they actually know this person's name, then they then they can write a book about him already. So if they actually know the name of the person, then this could have been um something to uh make the make the suspect uh complacent because see first of all you said uh you pointed out that um the press conference was not as it was planned originally. So to me what that means is something some new thing came in um uh in the time uh that they were planning this and they felt that um whatever that new thing was um really kind of brought them to the point where they didn't want to have a long involved detailed presser. This was just here's some photos and now we're gone. What about the fact that um he the suspect left the rifle? There's a little wooded area behind the campus. Um it's just off the perimeter road. It's not far away. It's it's maybe I don't know a couple hundred yards from where the shooting happened and he ditched the rifle. Does that surprise you? >> A little bit. A little bit. But see, Brian, what I would need to know as an investigator is is there any physical evidence in that rifle? Um, for instance, are there fingerprints on the on the uh uh rounds that were put into into the uh uh into the rifle? Uh are there fingerprints on the rifle? If so, that would indicate to me that the person's plans uh were kind of going south. Uh they didn't want to carry that rifle anymore. Um maybe they hurt themselves and and was having a were having a rough time moving. I don't know the answer to that and I could be I could be completely wrong, but it does not seem to be in their best interest to um to leave the rifle behind. At the same time, it might indicate that they were trying to blend into a crowd and a rifle makes that hard. Uh what about the fact that this person was caught on surveillance camera not only inside the the the university and I just go back to yesterday a lot of people oh this person might be professional it was a hit job but but caught on surveillance camera inside the university and then also on the ring cameras just walking through the neighborhood. You would think someone professional would know not to do that. No, this is not professional. This is not a professional who was hired to do this. This is a person who did it angrily. Um, a person who is a professional doesn't leave uh etched markings on his bullets. Um, this this is kind of like um a a passion killing almost if if you'll excuse the the bastardization of that use. This is a person who was so mad that they had to make points. They didn't just want to kill the person. They wanted to leave points and they wanted to they wanted to let people know that they had done it. Um very very reminiscent of the executive who was killed in New York uh not long ago. >> Are you we talked last night about this time. Are you surprised that 24 hours later um there's still no one in custody. Did you expect this? >> I didn't expect it to go this long. Uh, in fact, I can tell you all day I've been sitting by my phone, uh, you know, while I'm doing other things, thinking any minute now there's going to be a suspect arrested, uh, announcement that they're arrested. I I still think that I think we're still on an any minute basis. If you give if we go 4 days, 5 days, then things start to cool down. This is not like uh this is not like uh um the standard murder where there's no motive. We've got the motive. We've got the motive. We've got the gun. We've got some prints. And uh so the and we've got excellent video. So this is not going to be uh as I said a who done it. But and here's the other thing. We they've got video of him doing all these things. But it it's kind of like statistics. You know, what they show is important, but what they hide is crucial. What's going on here is what the police and FBI are telling you are is important, but what they're not telling you is what they're working on. Uh, by showing these photos, do you know do you know what they did? They didn't say a word about what they were doing. And so, to me, they're not sitting there, you know, twiddling their thumbs. I believe that in all those videos, there's some significant information. For instance, just looking at that photo, I thought I thought it's possible that he had a pistol in his belt. There there was indications of that. Um, in some of the videos, there's somebody stand uh walking ahead of him. Well, I don't know if that person's significant or not, but all these different things that we don't know about, you know, all these moving parts that they are, I think, very cleverly hiding because in the presser they gave us something. You know, here you have this, take this, take this. Oh, good pictures and everything and nobody got to ask a question and nobody told them told the public what they're doing. Does the FBI have a way when they get these surveillance images of someone's face to put it into like some kind of database where I mean because I was thinking about President Trump today said when he was asked about this he said they're on a digital manhunt. That's the way he described it. Do they have a way of tracking someone if once they have a facial image? >> They're working on it. Excuse me. That's all I can that's all I can say. When I came in the bureau, um the the DNA was just coming in. When I entered the bureau, we had never tried a DNA case. And so we had to go through all the hiccups and all that when when DNA came in. Um right now, facial recognition software is um is that is one of those things where um it's go it's not a matured science yet. It's not a mature technology. Plus you need a database from which to you know search these things. You know say if you can get some kind of picture or some kind of code that perfectly describes that phase. Well then you have to decide what you're going to compare it against. And um right now there's uh about 350 million people in the United States. I was inside there last night before they shut everything down and I could see all the agents and they were all in different rooms all huddled together and I was just thinking today, you know, when Cash Patel shows up when I mean again the country is enraged by this assassination, does it when you've when you worked for the bureau? I mean, is there a certain level of pressure that you feel in a situation like this? >> Oh, it's immense. It's it's immense. uh you get calls from uh people that you've only seen on the news and uh there is uh there are pointed questions about you know when is this coming back or when are you going to get results from this and why haven't you tracked this and why haven't you it it's like people who don't know the case um are are questioning you about it and what's frustrating about that is every time you have to sit in a room for an hour and brief an executive that's an hour you're not investigating and they take they tend to take the case agent, the one who's in charge of the investigation, and pull them out for a while. That's like taking the uh pilot out of the cockpit of an airliner and bringing him back um uh to the back to talk to him. So, while it's necessary, and I understand that the that the government has to be uh has to be kept informed, uh it is it is somewhat of a of a chore. We used to call it feeding the beast. Every day they need their food that you have to feed the beast on these cases. >> What do you think it means that we haven't seen any helicopters up around or really it doesn't feel like a a manhunt right here at the university? >> No, it's not that type of manhunt. There are there are uh exigent manhunts where the person is in the area. There are um and now we've gone past that. So there's really nothing to look for because you have no reason to believe that um this person would could be I mean could be obviously but would be in the area. And what you do is is you kind of do a mental um mental uh graph of how far you can get in the time that's transpired. Well, we've gone 24 hours. You can get a lot of places in the United States in 24 hours. So, there's not going to there's there's no point in doing a ground search or uh some type of physical search for somebody uh that you're really not sure about. >> All right. I appreciate Steve for for talking with me again tonight. Again, I'm sorry if I sound really tired. It's been a really really long day. I want to show you there's this um memorial that's been started out here for Charlie Kirk. Um a lot of people coming by and bringing flowers. I've met so many nice people out here. A lot of people are very, very emotional. this part of Utah, you know, there's no crime really. People are not used to these kinds of things happening. Um, so it's been difficult for them. So many people in town were at the um event and uh just are traumatized by it. I interviewed a family today. Um the dad had to dive on top of his baby, was scared after he heard the first shot. So people are traumatized. My heart goes out to them. I hope this is over soon. I have a feeling that it's going to be uh and I'll keep you guys posted if anything else develops. All right, see you guys later.