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Why Candace Owens Is Becoming Bigger Than MAGA and TPUSA Is Freaking Out
🎙ï¸Candace Owens is winning because she is not just building an audience, she is building belief, and that creates long-term power instead of temporary hype. While Turning Point USA under Erika Kirk drifts into branding, donor dinners and safe controversy, Candace sounds like the Tea Party energy that once shook the political class by rejecting fake leadership and demanding real accountability. Young people can see the difference instantly. Candace speaks directly, challenges both sides, tak
🎙️Candace Owens is winning because she is not just building an audience, she is building belief, and that creates long-term power instead of temporary hype. While Turning Point USA under Erika Kirk drifts into branding, donor dinners and safe controversy, Candace sounds like the Tea Party energy that once shook the political class by rejecting fake leadership and demanding real accountability. Young people can see the difference instantly. Candace speaks directly, challenges both sides, takes risks and creates emotional connection. TPUSA feels managed, cautious and disconnected. After Charlie Kirk’s death the organization froze instead of reinventing itself, and Erika Kirk has not filled the leadership vacuum with presence or authority. Candace moves fast, creates viral moments and owns her audience, while TPUSA depends on promotion and institutional support. Influence today belongs to authentic voices not logos. Candace represents a rising cultural force. TPUSA represents a fading organizational model.
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Video Transcript
The other day, a friend of mine in the
biz asked me, and maybe you get this,
too. I don't know. He asked me, "Are you
still talking about Candace Owens?"
[laughter]
I said, "Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah." He said,
"Well,
how long are you going to talk about
Candace Owens?"
said, "Well, uh, do you do you think
this is about Candace Owens? It's just
about her. Is that what you think it
is?" He said, "Yeah." I said, "Oh, I
see. I see." Well, what what would you
like to talk about? I said, "Well,
should you talk more about what's going
on in Minnesota?" I said, "Well, that's
very important." I said, "Let me ask you
something." I said, "Can you tell me how
what is happening in Minnesota, which is
very important and elsewhere around the
world, will affect this country for the
next 25 years?
Can you?" He said, "Well," I said, "It's
very important. ICE and replacement, you
know, all these theories, very
important." I said, "Let me explain
something to you right now." I said what
you were seeing is something that has
not been this significant since the
early 70s late60s with the southern
strategy. And I'm not trying to make a a
comparison between, you know, Stram
Thurman and and Candace Owens, but she
is the beginning of a new wave of
political involvement, specifically of
of disenfranchised young people and also
other age groups who never really felt
a part of, you know, MAGA per se or
Republicans or certainly not I don't
think uh liberals are progressives.
says, "But maybe." But she has hit a
nerve. She has hit something.
And I don't care why. Is it because of
her cand? Is it because of her American
first program? Is it because of her
Middle East theories? I I I don't know.
I think it's a combination of
everything. I said, "But if you don't
understand what's happening," I said,
"Let me let me go a step further." And
my he was taking it back. I said, "She
is going to replace Maga."
MAGA is this kind of a generic
reference to people who are proTrump.
It's very powerful to be sure, but it's
not it's it's um it's I think it's used
too much. I think it's used too
too frequently to explain what is
considered to be Republican.
Candace Owens is not Republican. This is
what I have been looking for for the
longest time because we've been trying
to I'm suggesting that the days of
leftright politics are over. Leftright
politics are over. Parties are over.
People don't under this doesn't make any
sense. Yeah. If you were raised on it, I
guess so, but not really. What Trump
brought to the for whether you like
Trump or not was that he defied
traditional conventional historic rules
regarding Democrats and Republicans. He
did something. He He He hit a nerve. And
Candace has hit a nerve.
And what she's done is because of this
story, because Charlie Kirk meant so
much to so many people, because she's
been trying to adjudicate his
the correct history of his legacy.
People have been brought forward. And
what they are saying right now is
they're looking at her and they're
saying, you know, we like her
authenticity. We like her her honesty.
and we like her
and that's it. They're actually doing
what in many respects some must a lot of
people felt regarding Trump. They like
her. They like her. They like what she's
saying. So, let me just tell you
something.
She is picking up millions,
okay? millions
of people who are
attracted by her cander, her
authenticity, her reality,
her forthrightness, her brilliance, her
delivery, whatever, whatever you want to
call it. And then when she gets all
these people and she says, "Hey folks,
members of Candace's army or whatever
you want to call this particular group,
if she says, you know, I think this is
the way. I think this candidate, I think
this movement, I think this issue, I
think this piece of legislation. Do you
know the power she has? You know the
power what that means
and what that can affect. So, let me
just say something to you. You if if you
think this is about just Candace or some
story involving
Erica K, you're missing the point. Yeah,
that might have brought you to the to
the to the dance, so to speak. But
what's going to keep you here is all of
this kind of a newfound sense of a
commitment to something where people
never felt a part of anything before but
now they feel they feel connected to
this. Now let me just explain a couple
of things to you. Maybe you can I hope
you agree with me. In fact, please in
the comments I I trust you will disagree
if possible. Candace Owens is winning
right now because she's not just
building an audience. She's building
belief. And that is the difference
between temporary popularity and
long-term power. Because people do not
rally around hashtags forever. They
rally around ideas that make them feel
awake and motivated and committed and
connected to something bigger than
themselves. And that is exactly and
precisely what Candace is doing while
Turning Point USA under Erica Kirk keeps
drifting deeper and deeper into the
world of this weird branding and donor
dinners and controlled messaging and
these weird
let's make heaven crowded or what
whatever these things are. I mean I I
don't know. And this she's also getting
weirder and weirder in her presentation.
And these supposedly safe controversies
don't work. And this contrast between a
very real and believable and honest
Candace sitting in front of her, you
know, camera compared to these
productions, these
kind of like Gloria Swanson,
I don't say Busby Berkeley, but these
these these processions where I think
somebody probably told Erica, "Look, as
long as this makes you look great,
people will love it. No, not
necessarily. And by the way, this this
contrast feels even sharper.
When you remember remember the Tea Party
wave of 2009, remember that we have we
have different ways we remember the make
America great. No uh no the um oh god
during N Gingrich, what the hell was the
name of that? There was he always walked
over those 10 points. You know what I'm
talking about. Anyway, but the Tea Party
wave of like 2009, 2010, remember when
American uh when regular Americans
flooded town halls and rejected party
bosses and pushed back against endless
debt and fake leadership and demanded
real accountability and all that. It's
very similar because Candace sounds just
like that.
Just like that same rebellious energy.
While TPUSA increasingly looks the very
type of polished nonprofit machine that
the Tea Party originally rebelled
against. See, they don't even get it.
They don't even know their history. They
don't even get their history. And and
and high school students who grew up on
social media understand this instantly
because they can spot performance versus
authenticity
in seconds.
And Candace speaks directly. I can't say
this enough. Argues aggressively,
challenges both parties, is fearless,
calls out hypocrisy, and refuses to
soften her message just to stay
comfortable. While TPUSA often feels
like it's trying to manage a a movement
instead of unleashing one, you know,
hosting these impressive conferences
that look good on Instagram but feel
hollow and disconnected from everyday
frustrations. By the way, the the
Republicans do this thing, too. Remember
the CPU uh uh CPAC and all these these
groups that figure they just want to
make money.
Have you ever seen CPAC? Hey, you want
to go to that? No. Want to be a part of
it? You join. You want to get the the
Ronald Reagan Silver Club for $25
million or whatever it is. You you can
have breakfast and you could hear
Janine Piro, fine person. But I'm saying
they'll throw a name at you.
And I'm thinking, excuse me, I want to
know direction. I these are great
people, but I'm not into I'm not This
isn't a fan club. I want to know about
direction policy.
Stop repeating slogans that sound bold
but rarely turn into anything serious.
Uh we we want confrontations with power
and we want we want stop leaning on
branding instead of building organic
loyalty. You know this this is again why
Candace's audience keeps growing faster
and her clips spread wider. Her
engagement feels more real. You've seen
this. And this is why her supporters
defend her without being asked, while
TPUSA relies more on promotion and
partnerships and threats. Think about
that. And institutional support to
maintain their attention. And the deeper
issue is that TPUSA was built on Charlie
Kirk's personality and momentum. And
after his death, which I'm still not
sure what exactly happened, the
organization didn't reinvent itself. It
froze.
It tried to preserve an image. They were
so worried about losing the money and
losing the donors instead of creating
new leadership energy and realizing and
that that Erica Kirk could not handle
it. And when she stepped into the
spotlight or when they recruited her,
when she claims Charlie always said, "I
want you to do this." Okay.
And it's interesting too how sometimes
Charlie would say, "I think women should
stay at home and raise their family."
Okay, that was interesting. Except for
you, Erica. You're different. Okay, I'll
let you do the math on that one. But
when she stepped into the spotlight, the
emotional connection disappeared
immediately. You could feel it. you
realize, oh,
huh,
she was always there. I mean, as much as
people might love
I'm trying to give an example of
somebody who's,
you know, President Trump or Melania or
there's really no other, you know,
Truman and Best Truman. I'm trying to
think of, you know, Obama and Michelle.
See, the the spouse is a very unique
thing. the spouse, you realize you
recognize, okay, we this is your spouse
and we and we love you derivatively
through the person that we care for, but
but you're not the reason why we're
here. You know, thank you for for your
help and thank you for your assistance,
but you're you're not the reason. Okay?
And the thing I'm saying, this is not
about cruelty or about Erica, but but
leadership in the media age requires
presence and confidence and the ability
to command attention. And right now,
right now, Erica Kirk does not project
that authority on camera. Her delivery
feels rehearsed and cold and plastic and
fake and mean. Her tone is shrill. It
feels distant. And her appearances lack
the emotional spark that young audiences
respond to. Remember, always think
young. Why do I say that? Why do I say
that? Not because young people are cool.
because they get to be old. You build
the audience. You always think 10, 15,
25 years in advance. Every leader, good
or bad, has always looked to youth
because they don't always stay youth.
This is axiomatic. Everybody knows that.
I mean, Erica is like every, you know, I
found myself You maybe do the same
thing, and I'm not proud of this, but
but but I I can't wait to see what she
does next, just to see how bad she's
going to blow it. And while Candace
brings intensity and humor and anger,
appropriate anger and conviction, the
same em emotional fuel that that that
powered the Tea Party movement and
others as well when people were tired of
polite conservatism that lost every
cultural battle. And this this emotional
authenticity matters. It matters more
than polished
professionalism, whatever that means.
Because the internet rewards
personality, not hierarchy.
It loves voice, not
logos and trademarks and flash and drum
rolls and sparklers.
It it's it's
Have you ever seen
Have you ever seen a rally
I I use this by comparison without any
disrespect to Scientology because I
don't know anything about it. But
remember when they would have these
these incredible events where Tom Cruz
would show up or or not not uh Travolta
but Tom Cruz and and it was like you you
would look at like say like what is this
because you didn't understand it you
know Miss Cavage or whatever his name is
and and it's this incredible
my god the they're like rallies they're
almost like a it's it's different and
When you when certain things get too too
big, they lose their sight. Billy
Graham, no matter how big his audience,
he never it was Billy Graham. It was it
had a little music, but it was always
Billy Graham. There were some people who
who can just do it. Trump during his
rallies would do it whether you like him
or not. His rallies were incredible.
Something happens though. Something
happens when TPUSA does something. It's
so It doesn't work. It just it doesn't
connect.
I can't say this enough because today if
you can't connect on social media,
that's it. And you think that they're
they're still thinking this is like the
like this is the Academy Awards. You
know, Academy Awards programs, nobody
cares about them. Awards programs, don't
kid, nobody cares about that. They mean
nothing, but the people who run it still
think they do. See, Candace understands
this battlefield.
while TPUSA still behaves like some
traditional organization that believes
its structure is influence or something.
And this gap keeps widening because
Candace moves fast, responds directly,
creates viral moments and speaks plainly
in a way that kids, high school
students, college can understand without
political translators.
And TPUSA apparently moves of course
cautiously filter statements in some
cases as you know not good PR
threatening and sensibly threatening
people with litigation who dare to speak
up against it either prior employees
even candidates. This I mean they you
cannot you cannot be any more tonedeaf
in terms of PR than they are.
This this is incredible. They avoid
topics that might upset donors.
They prioritize image control over raw
honesty. Remember, the donors are great,
but it's the younger people who are
going to fill in the seats. It's that
influence. What is the purpose of a
donor if there's no audience for that
money to be directed?
I I I mean you can have all the donors
you want, but if your message is flat,
see years ago, this is important to
understand this. And again, I don't want
to use these terms like conservative and
all this, but but but I'm going to do my
best.
There was a time in this country when I
mentioned the southern strategy,
a bad example, but but the principles
here towards the end of the 60s when
after civil rights after after civil
rights improvements and the like a lot
of southern Dixierats, remember who the
clan was? Remember who who the hardcore
was, George Wallace and all these
people, these people were like
Democrats. It was a different story.
Remember the Republicans were the first,
remember the Republicans in their first
their first national convention, 1856 I
believe in Philadelphia. They had their
their position was they said they called
it the twin pillars of barbarism,
polygamy and slavery.
Republicans were anti-slavery. They were
the Lincoln and it was a different time.
But anyway, what happened was a lot of
the tips felt completely lost by the
Johnson's and others and they felt lost
post civil rights. They didn't they and
again I'm not arguing why this is good
or bad. What I'm saying is they felt
that their south was being lost that
their values were being completely
muddled if not bulldozed. They needed
somebody to help. So Nixon and others
reached out Republicans and said,
"Listen, why don't you come to our side?
We're more of your theory or your
particular ideology than the Democrats
are. Come to our side. Okay. So, they
brought all those people over. Okay.
Then later on there, the Second
Amendment people, you know, we don't
really come on in. The tent got real
big. The constitutionalists come on in
the Tea Parters. Then in the 80s, moral
majority, Christian right, everybody
came in. and the libertarians.
So many people pre saw something in the
Republican conservative movement that
the Democrats didn't have and they
noticed this and they saw this and they
felt it and it was something which was
critical and they utilize this and the
thing I'm trying to tell you is that
this could be doing happening right now
and I believe it is regarding Candace
because Candace sees this and she's
pulling people into her tent and she's
saying come to me listen I don't care
whether you're left or right or Democrat
or Republican. Do you want truth? Do you
want somebody who's tired of this? Let
me Do you just want somebody just to
speak to you like you're a human being?
That's all I want to win you over with
my logic, with my theories, with my
ideology, with my thinking, and not with
sparklers and gold lame and this weird
this this strange Erica Kirk thinks it's
a beauty pageant. There's something
about I'm sorry, beauty pageantss and
cheerleading and and all this. I'm
beautiful. It it it to some people it
does something. It does something when
you have thought your life that somehow
you are possessed with some kind of raw
pulkeritude that just is overwhelming.
You're the madhari. You're some kind of
a your beauty is so mess. I'm sorry to
say this. A lot of people in those
pageantss they think that there's some
doesn't work anymore. Nobody even know
kids they don't even know it. What's
what's a beauty pageant? It's a
minstreal show. It's a modern day. It's
it's an anacronism.
And younger conservatives and people who
I believe are conservatives are
rebelling against this this weird
message because they see a country
drowning in debt and culture wars and
intensifying censorship and expanding in
political elites protecting themselves
but not their interests. while telling
young people to be patient, relax,
Candace channels that frustration while
TPUSA ignores them. They tried they try
to contain it but they they talk about
but they talk about how great they are.
You know a lot of kids remember they
went through co was the chance for
people co changed everything and now's
the time to get those people and seize
those people and get them on our side
and this different also makes up shows
up and how criticism is handled because
Candace confronts critics publicly. She
debates aggressively. She takes risks.
She keeps moving and when mistakes
happen it's the way it is. TPUSA,
however, often responds with silence,
legal threats, complaints, injunctions,
or carefully worded statements that make
the organization look almost defensive,
out of touch with online culture. And
the Tea Party comparison matters because
the Tea Party was not polished. It was
loud and messy and sometimes
rambunctious and emotional, but it felt
real. And that realness created momentum
that scared establishment politicians
out of their mind on both sides. And
Candace represents that same disruptive
force inside, I guess, conservative
media today. No matter how much they
attack her, she challenges gatekeepers.
She questions party loyalty. And she
refuses to play it safe. While TPUSA and
Erica have slowly become a gatekeeper
itself, deciding what topics are
acceptable, what voices get promoted,
who gets promoted, and which cons
controversies are too risky. And young
audience see this contradiction clearly
because you can't claim to be
anti-establishment
while behaving like an establishment
brand, some hardcore. And you can't sell
rebellion while managing everything
through committees and donor
expectations. And Erica Kirk's
leadership
symbolizes this problem glaringly
because she didn't rise through
grassroots support or independent
influence. She she stepped into a role
built on symbolism, symbology, semiodics
rather than earned media authority. And
sympathy doesn't equal leadership.
Especially in the digital world where
attention is ruthless and eancent. And
when Erica speaks, people do not lean
forward emotionally. They don't dab
their eyes as she does hers almost in
this Pavlovian type of it's it's sad.
It's like a stickick. They don't flood
comment sections with excitement or
clipper speeches for viral sharing.
While Candace creates moments that spark
debate, inspire anger and support and
conversation, which is exactly and
precisely how influence spreads online.
And here's where the shift becomes even
bigger than TPUSA because Candace, I'm
telling you, I I hope she doesn't run
for office. I want her to be the the the
the William F. Buckley, so to speak, to
to control a movement. But Candace is no
longer just competing with
organizations. She is building something
now and listen carefully that could
eventually and I say stand beside and
even beyond MAGA itself. Not by
replacing loyalty to Trump or whatever
but by offering something that many
young people feel is missing,
desperately missing. a sense of purpose,
intellectual challenge, some emotional
connection that goes deeper than slogans
and fireworks and sparklers because MAGA
started as a political movement centered
on one man and one moment while Candice
is
I guess she's she's building a cultural
movement centered on ideas and identity
and long-term engagement. That is why
people are saying she gives young
conservatives and older as well. Don't
don't think I'm just, you know,
eliminating them. But she gives them
something to believe in, something to
really care about and something to think
about, not just something to chant. And
this is why her influence feels
different because she's not just
repeating talking points. She's shaping
how people see the world, how they
interpret news, and how they think about
power and how they what they feel and
they emote culture and identity and the
kind of influence that lasts longer than
election cycles. And it's also explains
something why those who try to block her
and destroy her or dismiss her power are
going to regret it later. Because in
politics and media, there is an
unwritten rule that you do not want to
be on the wrong side of a rising force.
Not because of personal revenge
fantasies, but because influence decides
who gets invited, who gets amplified,
and who gets ignored. And Candice is
becoming the type of figure, the type of
personality who controls attention
flows, who can elevate allies and and
and freeze out opponents simply by
choosing where to focus her energy. And
that kind of leverage
is rare and it's growing. And it is why
some insiders quietly admit she could
become bigger than anyone expected,
bigger than early MAGA media figures,
bigger than
bigger than traditional conservative
organizations and more powerful more
powerful than nonprofit brands that want
dominated youth outreach. And the reason
is simple. She owns her audience. She's
not dependent on one platform, one donor
network or one organization. She can
pivot. She can adapt. She can evolve
while TPUSA remains stuck tied to
sponsors, internal politics and
reputation or risk management and and
speed matters online. You know this
boldness matters online and emotional
connection matters. And Candace Owens
checks all three boxes. While TPUSA
struggles with all three and the larger
trend is that influence is shifting away
from centralized organizations and
towards individual creators. Individual
creators who speak directly to audiences
because I'm telling you people no longer
trust gatekeepers
to represent them. They trust voices.
Voices who feel human, flawed, and
direct. And Candace, by the way, fits
this model perfectly. While TPUSA
remains stuck in the old one, this old
method, this whole thing where
conferences and branding and official
statements were, oh, and these Cordo
Erica, do you have an announcer? Like,
what is this? It's like Golden Globes.
It's tacky. It's anacronistic. It's from
the past.
This is important to be able to dominate
conversations.
That's what we need. And the result
right now is that Candace Owens is
building a personal media empire while
TPUSA is trying to preserve relevance
through infrastructure rather than
influence.
And young conservatives or people that
don't know they're conservative who are
looking for something that Charlie
provided, they can sense this difference
instinctively because they live online.
They understand algorithms and know
attention flows towards authenticity,
not bureaucracy.
And the Tea Party energy, which I say
again, that once disrupted Republican
leadership now lives more in independent
creators like Candace than in organized
nonprofits. And that should scare the
hell out of TPUSA leadership and Erica,
if she's even paying attention, because
it means the audience is voting with
clicks and shares and subscriptions. And
those votes increasingly favor Candace
and her movement, if you will. And this
doesn't mean that Candace is perfect or
immune from mistakes. No, in fact,
that's what makes her human. But it does
mean she's brave enough to be
independent.
And as you will find, independence
builds respect even among critics. While
this corporate messaging thing
disguises activism, this TPUSA stuff, it
builds cynicism. And the long-term
danger for TPUSA isn't just declining
relevance, but becoming a symbol of
controlled opposition, a brand that
looks rebellious on the surface, but
never truly challenges the power
structure. I'm saying this again to the
point of exhaustion. Young people are
especially sensitive to this because
they grew up watching corporations
pretend to be edgy and you know hip and
whatever you want to call it while
selling products and they recognize that
the same pattern in political groups
that sell rebellion while protecting
donors and relationships doesn't work
here. You listen to me. Candace Owens
breaks that pattern by being willing to
offend allies and challenge party
leaders and say uncomfortable truth. And
that willingness, that ability to speak
is exactly what built the Tea Party in
the first place. When people were tired
of politicians who promised change, a
lot of I mean, you know, who made a lot
of long-term uh uh promises and pledges,
but they delivered compromise. And the
lesson for anybody watching this shift
is simple. Authenticity beats branding
every single time. And boldness beats
safety. Look, I I've said it a gazillion
ways. I'm telling you I'm telling you
exactly what's happening right now. I'm
telling you exactly. Listen to me. The
other issues are important. Yes.
Minnesota and ICE. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm
not in any way uh saying they're not.
And there's some fine fine commentary
and news on that. And and you know where
to go and they're doing a wonderful job.
It's a very critical issue. But I'm
talking about something that's going to
be around for 25 years.
I'm looking right now at the end of the
two-party system, the end of this
leftright paradigm, this illusion, and
I'm looking at the end of the Republican
party because there are a lot of people
who found out that because of Charlie,
they realize, you know what, this this
guy Charlie is pretty good. I feel
pretty um
I guess I'm a conservative because
that's what he was saying. And they're
going to lose that.
They're going to lose all that.
But not for Candace, my friends. Thank
you for this. Thank you for watching.
Thank you for your for your for your
involvement.
You know, we were talking about this
this Lori and all of these these people,
these these folks who are involved with
kids. I want to thank you immensely for
you having uh shown support for my
wife's Linds Warriors. You know, we've
been talking about this left and right.
The biggest issue bigger I dare say than
anything is child predation and human
trafficking.
And there's an expression hurt people
hurt people. And the number of people
who are out there who have been
themselves who have been subjugated and
harmed and abandoned by folks especially
in the church whatever it it's enough
it's enough to make you to to you can't
believe this. and she's fighting this
and I'm telling you where they're
getting kids is online predation online.
So anyway, follow Lind's Warriors. Thank
you for that. Thank you also for liking
this. Do you know that when you like a
video, it puts us into a category.
[snorts] And by the way, I'm catching
more grief,
which is good because I'm doing
something right from people who do not
feel that I'm that maybe I'm straying
from my
conservative roots. I said, "Who says
I'm a conservative? I'm not a
Republican. I'm not a Democrat." But
they felt like, "Oh, but but we thought
you don't don't ever anticipate what I'm
thinking
because like John Maynard Kane said,
when the when when the when the facts
changed, I changed my opinion." and I
didn't uh leave the Democratic party or
whatever it is. They left me or
Republicans. Republicans aren't doing
anything for me anymore. They ain't seen
nothing. And I'm not going to go into
this yet, but when you see what's
happening regarding uh um um
just this when when I saw Trump even
despite Lutnik at the World Economic
Forum. Anyway, that's a different story.
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