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Lionel Nation Exposes Erika Kirk's Pattern of Lies: A Trial Lawyer's Analysis of Charlie Kirk's Widow
Trial lawyer and broadcaster Lionel Nation delivers a forensic analysis of Erika Kirk's behavior following Charlie Kirk's death. Drawing on decades of courtroom experience, Lionel examines the inconsistencies, fabricated stories, and theatrical performances that first raised red flags about the Turning Point USA founder's widow. From the staged publicity photos to the impossible timeline of her grief, Lionel breaks down why women especially saw through the performance immediately, and why these 'little things' matter more than most people realize. This isn't about obsession; it's about recognizing when someone insults your intelligence with brazen dishonesty.
The Red Pill Moment That Changed Everything
Lionel opens by acknowledging the massive influx of new viewers directed to him by Candace Owens, calling her "the most powerful person on the internet today. Bar none." He explains what drew him into the Charlie Kirk case wasn't initially the murder itself, but something that made his jaw drop as a former prosecutor and trial lawyer: the publicity photo of Erika Kirk cradling her husband's body.
"I puked," Lionel says bluntly. "Couldn't believe what I was seeing. Could not believe it. Who can be so craven and so crass, so diabolically calculating?" This staged moment of grief became his first red pill. The second came just six days after Charlie's death, when Erika appeared in a Zoom meeting with a completely different demeanor: "Hey guys, don't be so down. Merch sales are up. Hats are doing gangbusters."
The Little Things That Reveal Everything
Drawing on his prosecutorial experience, Lionel explains how seemingly trivial observations often crack cases wide open. He references the O.J. Simpson investigation, where Simpson never asked which ex-wife had been murdered when police called him, and the Night Stalker case, where Kenneth Bianchi's fake hypnosis was exposed by a single involuntary movement.
"When you're doing a case, sometimes somebody's behavior really makes you say 'huh,'" Lionel explains. He points to specific behavioral patterns in Erika's performances: the "magic tissue" that never actually touches her nose because she's not producing the mucus that accompanies real crying. The repetitive, rehearsed quality of her grief performances. The way she dresses and poses even in moments of supposed devastation.
Women, Lionel emphasizes, caught onto this immediately: "If I have to get to the bottom of this and I could ask a man or a woman, I say give me a woman. Your ability to cut through the nonsense is so much better than men because you have an instinctual detector that nobody has."
The Pageant Lie and the Pattern of Unnecessary Fabrications
Lionel dissects one of Erika's most puzzling fabrications: her story about being reluctantly entered into the Miss Arizona pageant. According to Erika's version, she was a tomboy with short hair who knew nothing about pageants when friends signed her up without her knowledge. Candace Owens revealed that Erika had actually listed pageant participation throughout her life in her curriculum vitae.
"Why are you lying? Nobody cares about this," Lionel asks. "But she lied about it. Why did you create this story when you don't know what the truth is?" These unnecessary lies—fabrications about things no one would judge her for—reveal something deeper than mere vanity. They suggest someone who lies reflexively, without considering whether the lie serves any purpose.
Lionel catalogs other fabricated narratives: the claim that she never dated or went to bars in New York, preferring to "read the Bible cover to cover"; the story about being a struggling single mom despite a $10 million insurance policy; the tale of taking her children to see "where daddy worked" at an office that wasn't actually Charlie's office.
The Professional Analysis: She's Not Even a Good Liar
"She's not a psychopath," Lionel clarifies, using clinical precision. "She's not a narcissist. She's too stupid. Psychopaths don't do this. Psychopaths are smart people. Psychopaths don't care what you think." He distinguishes between clinical psychopathy—characterized by intelligence, calculation, and emotional detachment—and what Erika displays: crude, transparent lying that insults the intelligence of her audience.
Drawing on his background in theater and trial work, Lionel explains how actors create repeatable emotional states through routine and physical staging. He recognizes these same patterns in Erika's grief performances: "Whatever she does, her act, one of them is the Charlie act. And it's the same one every single time. The voice is so phony, so flat, so fake, so synthetic. It's an insult to anybody's intelligence."
The Four Considerations in the Charlie Kirk Case
Lionel breaks down the investigation into four distinct areas:
- The actual facts of the murder itself—the impossibilities, problems, and issues with the official narrative
- Who did it and whether Tyler Robinson acted alone (Lionel states categorically: "If you think Tyler Robinson acted alone, you're out of your mind")
- The motivation, which Lionel considers the least important legally since prosecutors only need to prove intent, not motive
- Erika herself—"the heel in professional wrestling," the villain whose lies and performances have become a focal point
Regarding Tyler Robinson, Lionel issues a stark warning about prison safety: "If you go away, everything is better. If you wake up one morning and you're dispatched, if you're gone, it's done. It's the biggest relief you can imagine." He explains the concept of "noose on a bun"—the black art of prison poisoning using binary compounds that break down into seemingly innocuous substances in toxicology reports.
Why This Matters Beyond Charlie Kirk
Lionel emphasizes that this isn't about obsession or conspiracy theorizing—it's about something more fundamental. "They lie to you. They lie to your face. They lie all the time. They want to take your place. They have such contempt for you. They think you're so stupid. They think you're going to believe this."
The Charlie Kirk case and Erika's behavior represent a larger phenomenon: brazen dishonesty deployed with the expectation that people won't notice or won't care enough to call it out. Candace Owens' willingness to investigate and expose these lies, despite pushback, represents something rare in media.
"What I love about Candace and what she's doing is that she starts on one premise," Lionel explains. "She has the only one who has the courage to do this. When they go after her, she comes back at them with a fury and a ferocity nobody could even imagine."
The Turning Point USA Problem
Lionel reserves particular criticism for Turning Point USA, stating flatly: "TPUSA is done. Finished. They're done." He suggests that if anyone were to investigate who might have participated in Charlie's death, TPUSA would be the logical place to start. "She screwed up. She did more to destroy that than anything else. She has got to get out of the way and she won't do it."
He alludes to TPUSA's broader ambitions involving real estate development, religious organizations, and tax-exempt status—a plan that would have been "bigger than anything with or without Charlie, by the way." But Erika's handling of the aftermath has damaged the organization beyond repair: "You aid and abet this. You are accomplices to all of this and you're going to look so bad. Your name is going to be tantamount to the Shyola company. Nobody's going to want to have anything to do with you."
Crowdsourcing Truth in the Digital Age
Lionel concludes by framing this investigation as an example of "crowdsource truth"—the collective ability of ordinary people to recognize and expose lies when traditional institutions refuse to ask questions. The memes, the observations, the collective "wait a minute" moments from thousands of viewers represent a form of distributed investigation that traditional media cannot replicate or suppress.
"This is one thing that we hate: a liar," Lionel states. "You can exaggerate. You can get things wrong. You might be kind of full of it, but that's not the same as somebody who looks you in the eye and lies. We're going to get to the bottom of that."
Video Transcript
[snorts] Good day my dear friends. I I hope I hope this works. I am on the road again as Willie Nelson and toned and I'm at a place where I don't think they have the best well. It's not it's not the strongest Wi-Fi, but I'm going to do my best because I must speak with you today. Even if I am on the road again, I cannot tell you to the number of new friends that I have been introduced to you or to to rather via Candace. It is unbelievable. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. This is uh I gotta tell you something again. Please thank you for this. I I I don't know. I don't know how this is going to to work. I don't know how this is going to work in terms of the the signal. If it's coming in live by five or live by five or five by five, let me know. That's all I want to say. I hope to God, dear God, I hope somehow this this works. The other night I was doing my regular speech, conspiratorium, my confabulation, confivation, my broadcast, and all of it. It was at the It was at the end. I had watched Candace's last piece. I guess she's not on tonight. I don't know. I only wish we knew ahead of time. Is it going to be on? Do we wait in any because I assiduously and faithfully watch every single one of her broadcast. So, apparently at the very end of episode 7, and I didn't know this because I was doing Oh, look at this. Here's Dutch Silver. Dutch, thank you, my friend. Thank you so much for honoring us with your with your presence. Uh, at the end of this of of of Kenneth's show, apparently she did a shout out to MUA or something along those lines. And then all of a sudden, there's this one page that showed subscribers. It started looking like this, like like an old gas, you know, one of those gas pumps, you know, in the oldfashioned. I said, "What is going on?" I I had no idea because I missed it. I was on a phone call, something happened, so I missed the shout out. I had no idea what this was about. I'm think what what what happened? I mean, normally this is good, but I don't see this. And it was all because this brave lady was kind enough to say, "I like him." I think she honored me. This almost this broke my heart. She said something to the effect where I reminded her of her either her grandfather or something but which is the kindest thing anybody could ever say. It's the kindest it's the kindest incom Penagy that anybody could ever say to you. The the kindest of the kind. I couldn't believe it. So I was traveling today. Don't get me started on that. Mrs. and I were out and we are now in a different climb as you can tell by the sun that is out. We are not in New York. So, in any event, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Candace Owens is the most powerful person today. And I've been saying this repeatedly, the most powerful person on the internet today. Bar none. Bar none. She is without I I can't I can't begin to explain to people especially those who have not really figured this thing out. And for those of you who are new to me, I welcome you and I thank you ahead of time. I thank you for this. I want to explain something which I think is so important and so critical for all of us right here. And I think one of the reasons why I think we all kind of share this this thing. You and I, you and I love sincerity and honesty. It's the most You know what? Better better somebody tells you, uh, hang on. Why did I do this? Just a second. Why are you famous obsessed with this crap? Oh, I love this. Oh, there we go. Well, you know what? I I hit this by accident, but that's a very very good it's a very very good question and and thank you. Let me see. Where is this? Uh, I want to address this uh young person. Oh, here we go. Here we go again. Why are you people so uh obsessed with this crap? Thank you for that, by the way. And thank you and welcome. May May I May I tackle that and and turn to you as well for some uh views as to why we are so obsessed with this crap? Anybody feel like they're obsessed with it? Anybody? Go ahead. Anybody? Anybody feel they're obsessed with this obsession? obsession versus almost like a peververation almost like something that's not real like an unnatural unfair unra irrational unhealthy focused perpetuation obsession uh anybody feel like that anybody anybody anybody now understand something I want you to understand and I and I I hope people as well I'm not in the um business of um cutting people off and having moderators. I mean, you know, maybe I should because I do believe in free speech as much as possible. The only thing I ask is that we don't become vile. But how many people here think we're obsessed? And how many people somebody says thinks that Candace is out of her mind? Did you see this? Candace is out of her mind. When somebody and that's a great point because in order for us to determine what we feel, it's better sometimes to find out what we don't feel. Here's why I don't think Candace is out of her mind. Number one, when somebody says something that is baseless, when somebody is routinized, somebody is repetitive, when somebody goes over and over and over, that's the proveration. Sometimes you'll see it in spectrum disorders. You'll see it in a variety of of various forms of psychopathy or or or psychotic behavior kind of in a delusional, you know, like a like a like a this this whirlwind, this this arc, this repeated. She has not ever, as far as I'm concerned, said anything that's out of her mind. If she did, I think we'd be there for that. And I think that what people find for the most part is when they say she's out of her mind is that a couple of things come to mind. First of all, there's jealousy. Tremendous jealousy. I'm never going to say anything about racism. I don't think that's it. If I did, I'd tell you. But I I really I don't think that's it because Candace never ever ever even talks about race. Candace never talks about race. Race is never a part of it. It might be a little bit of sexism. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe, maybe not. But I I think people are jealous. And what Candace came along is she says, if there is some type of a if there is some kind of a sacred cow, so to speak, some type of a of an untouchable way of thinking, she's the first one on it. And it comes down to simply this. And I'll tell you my particular journey, as I've said before, but we have a lot of new people. And by the way, again, welcome and thank you for being here. I never caught the Charlie Kirk thing at all. I mean, I didn't I I didn't get it. I thought, "Oh, this is horrible. Charlie Kirk died. Terrible." I I many of us uh I remember at the time thinking to myself, why why is Charlie Kirk so popular people that I knew, people, believe it or not, that that I found I were shocked were were were crushed who watched him every day. Watched him every day. And I said, "Why?" Again, I didn't know this. this. They never told me this. And Charlie Kirk was not somebody who talked about, you know, usual things. He was rather um rather uh uh hardcore in his particular worldview. He was a hardcore staunch um uh Catholic Christian. I don't know if it was Catholic, but he talked about no premarital sex, celibacy, women working at home, supporting the father, family, supporting the husband, supporting the hearth, raising the kids, Bible studies, church, tithing. I thought, "This guy's not going to he's not going to go over big with today's kids." They loved it. Why? Because he he provided truth, honesty, and a conviction. and they respected the fact that somebody could be that that devoted to a to an ideology to a not to a doxy but that's the wrong word but but to a a a way of thinking so anyway tragic tragic tragic terrible terrible book and I never next next move here comes Erica Kirk I said who's that oh that's the poor girl that's the poor that's the poor woman that's the the uh the uh widow uh nails said it's not crap. CK's life matters matter. The truth matters. Absolutely. And by the way, the uninvestigated and unpursued truth I think is a mortal sin. And thank you for that. Especially when nobody seems to be lifting a finger to go after why he was actually killed and by whom. Okay. So anyway, here comes Erica. How many of you thought thought the same way? Okay, there's, you know, I didn't know who she was. I had no reason to dislike her. I didn't I didn't know anything about anything. I didn't I didn't care about had I known about things like you know uh uh uh her uh pageant work. Who cares? That's not it. That wasn't it. A lot of people did this. A lot of people were pageantss. That doesn't that we weren't thinking we didn't care about her. Okay, I told you this. I'll say it again. Red pill moment for me. Red pill moment. Red pill. When I saw her leaning over, crave cradling in what appeared to be a deliberate publicity shot, crying, praying, crying over her husband Charlie. I puked. Puked. Couldn't believe what I was saying. Could not believe I saw what I saw. Couldn't believe it. could could not could not believe what I saw. I I my jaw dropped figuratively. I couldn't believe it. I said, "Who can be so so craven and so crass, so diabolically go and this is horrid? How can you do this?" Red pill number one. Red pill number two. Six days later, five, six days later, she has a meeting, a Zoom meeting. This is the bereaveved widow. This is a woman saddled uh uh leveled by by by the horror. And she comes up with this, "Hey guys, first I think I've told you this. I hate this." Hey guys. I don't know. There's a couple things that people say now. Hey guys, and what you guys need to And what you guys And you guys, you know, crystal ball. Well, Crystal Balls on Breaking Points with Saji uh uh Sagert Sagert, whatever it is. One time she was on an interview with with Candace. And speaking of balls, she she eviscerated her. Candace took this crystal ball and basically gave her an Orch. But she always says, "Hey guys, hey guys. Hey guys. Welcome back guys. Hey guys. I hate that. It's an affectation. It's a phrase. It is. I'm so sick of it. I'm not your guy. Speak like an adult. You're an adult. You're in Nebraska. Do Do you speak English? Speak like an adult. Enough with this. Hey guys. The other one too is literally I my eyes literally bugged out of my No, it didn't. Literally. Stop saying literally. People say literally for no particular reason. And I was literally driving down the road. Well, I have no reason not to believe you were as opposed to what figuratively anybody. So, here's going back to six days after the assassination. There she is. Hey guys. Hey guys. How you guys? Hey, don't be so down. Here's my magic tissue. Don't worry. Hey, let's talk about that merch sales. Merch sales are up. Hats are doing gang busters. Gang busters. Keep up the good work, people. By the way, that's TPUSA.com. TPUSA.com. Come on. Let's fight, fight, fight. You know, coffees are for closers. It was like Glengary, Glenn Ross. What are we talking? I couldn't believe this. Six days. Six days. I would have been I would have had to if my wife were but but but not just died, slaughtered, shut down, cut down. And this is the way she acts. And you say, "Why do I obsess over this crap? I've never seen anything like it." And nobody's saying anything until Candace. I was a lone voice. I said, I know this is not the end of the world, but does anybody notice it? Eh, until Candace. Candace saw right through it. I noticed little things. I'm saying, do you understand how this thing works? Let me give you an example. Sometimes I am a I am a uh was a prosecutor, trial lawyer by profession. And when you're in when you're doing a case, sometimes somebody's behavior, somebody's somebody's I don't know how do I say this? somebody's behavior or something that they do really kind of makes you say h remember the movie Silverado remember when Kevin Cosner supposedly the person that Kevin Cosner played supposedly fell off the horse he goes yeah uncle Jordan fell off the horse he goes he what fell off the horse he said he's alive this guy was the best horseman ever he doesn't fall off the horse or so and so did what he wasn't at mass he's not at mass he's in mass every day something's wrong with him we have patterns we have abilities We have traits. We have certain things that we do and you notice them. And it may seem trivial, but you notice them. Let me ask you something. When you cry and somebody hands you a tissue, why do they hand you a tissue? Why did somebody Why do why do people hand you a tissue? Two reasons. One, your eyes. It's not really your eyes. Sometimes it might might be sometimes you might get the Tammy Fay if you're wearing mascara but what's the other reason mucus hate to be gross it's not gross when you cry lacrimmation when you become a lacrimmous tear ducts and and and no works hand in hand the tissue is when you blow your nose because you're crying you're crying somebody says you snot perhaps I could have said it better but you're right do you ever Do you ever see uh Erica ever blow her nose? Ever? Watch. It's performative. It's performative. It's you're playing the role. I don't even think in the world of theater. In the world of theater, you can do a couple of things. People always will say, "How do you how do actors how do they actually how do they cry? How do you cry when you're an actor?" Let me tell you how you do it. First of all, one thing is they blow this like this menthol in your face like this heater and you sit there and you and all of a sudden you will cry like a some Our good friend says, "Lo, she gave me the creeps from day one when she was whispering standing over behind Charlie's chair. I lost my cat the same day and I was still ugly crying." I like that. And here she was looking fabulous. Absolutely. Do you see what you just did? And thank you. You remember something that you went through? Yay! Caught your exquisite commentary again. Thank you, Kay. You notice certain things. You notice little things. Little little little things that may not mean, but they mean a lot. Here's one for you. For those of you old enough to remember, [sighs] I always got to remember this. I was talking to somebody the other day about 911 and I said, "Don't you remember 911?" You know 911? He goes, "I was in grade school." I said, "Okay, I didn't I didn't know. I figure everybody's my age." Anyway, there was a u there was a time when during the OJ Simpson case, OJ Simpson uh after he killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, he took a flight to Chicago. He was in his hotel in Chicago. Okay. He got a phone call from the LAPD. Now listen to me. They said, "Mr. Simpson, yes, this is Lieutenant. I've got bad news. Your wife has been No, your ex-wife has been murdered. He says, "Oh my god, I'm coming back right away. Thank you." Gotcha. Why is that? Gotcha. Why? He had two ex-wives. He never asked which one. Gotcha. Little things. Little things. There was a case years ago. I told you this of of the Nightstalker, Kenneth Bianke and Bianke and Angelo Buo, the Nightstalkers. Bianke thought he was a genius. He thought he could he could mimic this multiple personality business, which doesn't really work. And they were somebody said, "Let me let me uh put him under hypnosis. Let me talk to him." And under in in the hypnotic state, which he was not in, he went and he he grabbed something. He he he grabbed something. He said, "Ah, gotcha." Why? He says in a hypnotic state, you don't grab things. You don't, how do I say this? You don't grab things. You don't you don't do that. You You can't because of some some rule. In the hypnotic state, you're almost like watching a movie. You don't grab things. You don't participate. You don't touch. You don't sleepwalk. You don't subambulate. None of that. It was a gotcha. I want to say something to you ladies. I've said this before and I'll say this again. If I have to get to the bottom of this and I could ask a man or a woman, I say, "Give me a woman." for reasons that I think we all know, your ability to cut through the the nonsense is so much better than men because you have an in you have an you have a built-in an instinctual I don't know what the word is basically like it's like a detector that nobody has little things the clothing she wore these memes remember what a meme is when a meme comes out meme remember what meme is meme is from the word mimemetic Richard Dawson came. Not Richard Dawson. Richard Dawson was a family feud. Steven Dawson, is it Stephen? Anyway, you know the uh atheist Richard Dawson. Anyway, sorry. He says he said that a meme is short that mimemetics is when you pass on information much like you would a a chromosomeal piece. Thank you, Ulisses. like a piece of of data. You pass it on and you inherit it. That's a meme. Look at the memes. What were the memes immediately? The memes and the gifs and all this kind of jazz. What was it? It was Erica dancing in gold lame doing a pole dancing being shot out of a cannon. Remember that one thing where he was where you're who was it? Beyonce where you're you're you're elevated up from below the stage in the spring. You go up and you dance and you She was so phony, so fake, so ersot. So, but women got it better than men. They saw it immediately. They didn't buy any of it. The stories didn't make any sense. The worst thing is when somebody decides to lie about something for no particular reason. They lie about something for no particular reason. Like my friend, the great Gordon Soul said, some people would would rather climb up a tree and lie than stand there and tell the truth. It's the most incredible thing in the world. Little things she says. One of them was things that just don't make any sense. So I was I was asked says J.R. says EEA and TPUSA have changed their stance on so much. You are great. Love watching you. Thank you, sir. Oh, TPUSA is done. Finished. They're done. Done done. And if ever there was any group of people that I would really look at very closely, I'm not making any accusations, but if anybody said, "Is there anybody there who might have been perhaps maybe contributo or participatory in the the dispatch of Charlie?" You you know, you go all this place. I'm going to TPUSA. She screwed up. She did more to destroy that than anything else. She has got to get out of the way and she won't do it. She won't do it. I'll leave it at that. But here is a story [snorts] and ladies, you'll appreciate this. This is this is what her this is what her thing is, if you can believe this. Uh Funky says Funky Monkey says, "I'm pretty sure Erica and Amber Heard went to the same acting school." Uh, Amber Herd was uh Helen Barrymore, Ethel Barrymore rather, compared to this. She was, and thank you, by the way. Her whole thing is, you know, I'm sexy. You know I'm hot. I mean, you know, say it. Erica would say, "It's okay. Say it. You know I'm sexy. I am hot. I am wicked hot. I am so wicked hot. You You lust for me. You wish you were me. Say it. You wish you were me. I'm beautiful. I'm gorgeous. I'm I I am I make men and people melt. I'm a great actress. I'm smart. I This is the delusion. And I I'm I'm not I'm not exaggerating. And she has this idea, this, you know, this Oh, shucks. Look, I was a tomboy. Look, I I had short hair for God's sakes. I had short hair. What are you talking about? I had short hair when I was a kid. I was a was a weird kid. I was I went by the name Butch. Go figure. I used to climb trees and shoot squirrels and gut feeasants for no particular reason. And I never wore a dress. I was like, "Opie, you know, just stop it." So, she has this story. You know, I was uh I was walking down the street. I had people came up and said, "Hey, Erica, what is Oh, and her mother's always there." Erica Candace brings it up. Her mother's always there. Somebody said, "Hey, Erica, we've uh we've signed you up. We've signed me up for what?" For be to to be Miss um Miss Arizona. You did what? You signed me up. Sign me up. I don't want to I don't want to do this. Oh, come on, Erica. I mean, Erica, please. Erica, you were so beautiful. You were so You You were so pulratinous. You're a self, a siren. Your inane beauty and your sexy magnanmity are are you you you you are siren like you must do this please for the great people to miss okay I I didn't know anything about this p okay what the hey mom what do you think okay I'm serving my state serving my country all right fine fair enough I'll do it all right if that's the way you want to do it I'll do it where do I sign up son of Bet you if I didn't win, I didn't want this. Okay. Then all all Candace said was she lists in her curriculum vite all the time. She either ran for not ran for or participated in in in events or or [laughter] what the word is participated in the event or or just tried out for it or something since she was like a kid. So why is she lying? Nobody cares about this. Nobody cares about whether she missed her. But she lied about it. Why are you lying? Why did you create this story that you don't know what the truth is? She's not a psychopath. She's she's she's a I don't think she's a narcissist. She's too stupid. Psychopaths don't do this. Psychopaths are smart people. Psychopaths don't care what you think. A psychopath doesn't care whether you think They're they think they're pretty. They your your opinion means nothing. They might want to fool in terms of trying to get something from you, but they are not they do not have grandiosity. I mean, they're glib. This it it doesn't it doesn't come up to with them. And people use that word, I think, psychopath a little too much. It's almost like this ubiquitous stamp of bad guy. And it's a clinical term. She's a liar. She's just a liar who and and she and here's the best part. You ready for this? She's not smart. She's stupid. Listen to what she says. Listen to what she says. Then she did this thing where Candace number seven, episode seven, was the greatest one Candace did. It was you could you could feel her voice quivering. It was tremulous. Was quivering. Quavering, so to speak. Suzanne says it's best she not raise her children. She's an empty shell. Those poor kids. I feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for them. Did Did you hear what he says? Well, I had to go to work because I was a single mom. I say, I think Charlie's insurance policy was 10 million in and of itself. I mean, what what are you talking? Tucker raised I don't know, five million. I mean, she she's a shareholder. She actually wants you and I'm sure we have some single moms, real single moms out there right now, but she actually wants you to believe. She truly wants you to believe that she's this struggling mom who's trying to make sandwiches and, you know, brown bagging it for the kids and picking them up in the station wagon and take them to to, you know, skating practice. I mean, what what is Has she ever told us the truth? She tells you things, you know, I never dated. I never did. I came to New York and all my friends with she had this weird way of saying this and the drinks and they wanted and they dated with the drinks and I said I don't want to date with the drinks and the drinks because I I just want to stay home and read the B Bible cover to cover. I want to go to Bible class. I want to ask my preacher. Ask your preacher. What are you talking about? I want to ask my preacher. I want to say preacher what is it? Preacher should I do this? She lied about that. Then she says I took my kids and I want them to see where daddy worked. I wanted them to see the people who took care of my kids. I'm still trying to figure that one out. You what? Candace brought this up. The people who took care of her kids. Kind of like the sort of maybe I guess maybe sort of um what uh uh what would you call them? Nannies or she never met them. Not only that, Charlie's office. Little things like this. Charlie's office wasn't where she took it. Charlie's office was someplace else. I mean, everything about she doesn't remember what she says. She just spews this this this macity, these reels, these sprays of lying. It's the most it I've never seen anything like. She doesn't know the truth and doesn't care. She is without the ability to do it. Unbelievable. She she was involved most probably with either something involved with spooks or or episodes involving I guess the um what was it you know this whole but the Fort Wuka stuff but also doing an industrial on EMPs with Woolsey and the CIA. How about the men? How many men has she dated? Look, I don't care about this. But when you say I'm I'm a vessel virgin little old me. I'm just little Miss Innocent. I don't know about this. I don't know nothing about birthing no babies. I'm just I'm just who I am. I'm just I'm just I'm just Candace. I'm just plain old Candace. That's all I am. I'm just plain old Candace. I'm just a I'm just a girl. Simple girl. I'm just a simple girl. Stop it. Nobody's asking you to lie. Nobody cares. Stop lying. And the people at TPUSA are so stupid. Let me tell you something about these people. They were very very smart. I've told you this before. There was there was there was a talk that they were going to of all things they were going to be involved in some kind of uh either real estate or some kind of property where they may I I surmise I'm just guessing. I'm just spitballing here, my friends. That they would that they she would or they would be involved in either building homes or developments or cities. uh maybe with um not necessarily churches per se, but preachers and using all of the powers of of first amendment free speech, uh tax exemption status. They they don't say pay taxes. Uh Joel Ostein and others, preachers, religious schools, that's it's perfect. They were on their way. They were they were this was going to be bigger than anything with or without Charlie by the way. It's better with Charlie and she's going to screw things up. Dr. Latina says, "I was a single mom of two daughters. It was grueling. Worked two jobs and spent every free moment with my girls. I wish I could have been even more present for them." You're right. And here's this woman, by the way, Latina. She's trying. She's pretending she was you. Pretending she was you. Let me go back and ask you this. If anybody hope it hope it doesn't happen here, but if ever any of you find people had the death of a child, death of a husband, tragic, violent death, um death of a pet because pets in many respects are worse than than sometimes worse than people. But you were you were paralyzed. You were stalified. You were you were you couldn't move. And she's boopping around. She's on remember the day she did the run on Fox News. She was on Paris Faulner this man. I mean one or another all day long. I this and this and then and and then they and then with Barry Weiss at CBS. What what are your words for Candace? Stop. Just stop. She's like Kella Deville or Alex Forest in uh in Fatal Attraction. You will not I will not be ignored. Oh my god. It just she when you do something on Broadway when you have you do eight shows a week eight matineese evenings Wednesdays off whatever it is. Well Wednesday by the way is matinea day. So in any event, when you do a scene and you do the okay, let's do the kitchen scene where I get the bad news that Uncle Joe died in a fertilizer accident and what I do is I have my thing. I set my I do it all the time because I've got to get there. I don't have time to think about I'll go no. I I put my thing I put my my my my prop here and I put my coffee cup here and I look down and I try to remember they can't hear me but I' I've learned this line and I make it sound like my voice is quivering quavering but it's really not. But I do it all the time. I do it's a setup. It's a routine because I can't get into the character every time. I got to have a set routine where I get into it and I get into it fast and I've got to either pretend I'm crying or have a love in my throat or something. I've It's just the same way that in the NBA people who would do they do a free throws. They, you know, dribble it twice or go like that. They they they they have a routine. Same thing with ba baseball before they swing. They go through a routine. She goes through a routine. Whatever she does her act, one of them is the Charlie the Charlie act. And it's the same one every single time. The voice is so phony, so flat, so fake, so synthetic. It's an insult to anybody's intelligence. Absolut in an insult. Insult like like nothing you've ever seen. An insult. It's brutal. And she does this without any type of how do I say this? that any kind of inflection, any hesitation, any [sighs] she just doesn't care. It's She just doesn't care. And she doesn't think that you notice. She think she's she thinks you don't notice this. And this goes on and on and on. And by the way, let me explain something. You could talk about the oh, the Romanian uh you know, the the orphanage. You know about that? That's something. That's terrible. That's awful. The lying about the husbands, the lying about this. But her unnecessary lies are the thing which absolutely drives me nuts. These unnecessary lies. Why is she doing this? She doesn't have to lie. No one cares. Do you know what I'm saying to you? Nobody cares about this. Now there are four considerations here for us to think about and for you to think about. Number one is the actual Charlie murder itself. Facts of the case, um impossibilities, problems you have, issues you have, a lot of things, a lot of you know aspects of it. I um as a again former prosecutor, criminal trial lawyer, defense, I see a lot of problems with that case as well. But that that's that. The second issue is who did it? How many of you people believe in the story that Tyler Robinson was the sole participant, the sole um that there was no conspiracy, it was just him by himself and that nobody helped him. He did it only because he did not like all of a sudden he did not like what was being said regarding gay no trans people. He picked up a he went got a 30 out six granddaddy shooting iron and decided to take out Charlie because of what Charlie said. And Charlie, if anybody was a gentleman, if anybody handled it so methodically, so beautifully, so perfectly, so kindly, it was Charlie. It was Charlie. If if anybody if anybody did it, it was Charlie. and he decided he wants you to believe that one day he said that's enough and he drove an inordinate amount of time to get there a an inordinate amount of of of time and the story is he used his his grandfather's rifle and by the way what I would do is I would have experts snipers say how difficult it is to make that shot but not only that to maintain your cool to maintain your cool to not become scared to not become nervous to not freeze keep in mind you're not doing. You're not plinking cans. You're talking about a human being. That's that. Uh the first one was the trial. The second one is, was he the only one? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. If you think Tyler Robinson acted alone, you're out of your mind. and Tyler, make sure you get away from any type of exclusive kind of out of the way kind of parochial type of correctional center because that's where bad things happen to you. Because Tyler, if you go away, everything is better. If you go away, everything is better. If you go away, if they wake up one morning and you're dispatched, if you're gone, if you're not here anymore, it's done. you just it's the biggest it's the biggest relief you can imagine and it's very easy to make you go away in the prison system. There always has been this thing referred to since since the black the black art of of poisoning is called noose on a bun and this is where you give somebody something over a period of time that has a particular chemical in it. This is not this this involves this events is by the way a much higher level of participation from other people. Kitty Kitty Whiskers says reminder there were Google searches for Tyler and the hospital etc. before dispatch day indeed. Excellent point. Thank you. Uh excellent point. You know, when you give somebody something on, you know, four or five days, six days, and all of a sudden you give them something else, that second agent acts with the first kind of like a binary compound and lo and behold, boom, you have this reaction. And when they do a tox screen toxicology report, the only thing that breaks down are sub substances, chemicals that are found in, you know, iodine, you know, high chlorine, nothing, nothing ex nothing extraordinary. No other toxin that extravagated and and perfumes the body and to kill. No, not at all. It's been done a million times. A million million times. And by the way, what he should do is he should be some kind of a federal the fed should have some kind of kind of a a joint owner, a joint uh participation. In some in some federal uh systems, some federal prisons, they will have um particular well the the the inmates wear all paper. The diet is so monitored you can't even believe it. But they have uh cameras and devices that can determine massive and and very quick sudden drops in temperature, meaning some type of of of of a of in extremism that these people might be in. You want to have that. You might want to have a an air force base or a hospital where Tyler is kept, not even as a prison per se, but something he can be watched. Because I'm telling you, listen to what I'm saying. If he goes bye-bye, the case is over and you just relieved ever getting to the bottom of any of it. So that's that. So we got the case itself. Number two, we have the issue of how many people are involved. Number three, what's the motivation? This is probably the least important. This is probably the least the least important in criminal law. We don't care about motivation. I mean, you could bring it up. It might help, but we don't care about about it because of the fact that why you did something is really unimportant. All we have to prove as a prosecutor is you intended to do something, not why you did it. That's why hate crimes make no sense. Hate crimes sound great until you realize what they are. They take a crime which is already cognizable, meaning it's already actionable, like batteries, you know, assault, whatever it was, arson, and you take it and you you you exaggerate it. You you you raise its level of of uh sentencing and the like because of something that was said, something that was thought, something that was believed, something that was uttered. You took something which is already against the law and you aggravated it by somebody uttering or thinking something which was which was legal. You could hate anybody else you want in this country. You could hate gay people or or Islamic people. Whatever you want as long as you don't hurt them. So what a what a what a hate crime does is it takes something which is already a law. Let's say you burn a cross on somebody's lawn. That's either burglary, believe it or not, arson, a variety of other things. But it makes it a hate crime and it and it tries to invoke federal jurisdiction. It's ridiculous. It's stupid. I don't care why you did it. So what? I don't care what. By the way, what if somebody was a bad hate crime person? What if I went to a to a a synagogue and I and I spray painted on the on the walls a Mogan David, you know, a Star of David on a on a on a what? On a synagogue. No, you're supposed to put it No, you're supposed to put a swastika. That's the hate thing. Well, that wasn't very good. What if what if I what if I wanted to what what if I burned a Christmas tree on the lawn of a black family? A Christmas tree. And somebody says, "What does that mean?" You say, "I don't know. I just am not very good at at burning a cross. I don't have the wood, but Christmas trees, I got a lot of them." And nobody understands what the You see what I'm saying? Now we're getting into the motivation, what you said, what you thought. Who cares? So, I don't really care. Candace is saying this. Candace is saying that right before right before his dispatch, his liquidation, he was saying some things about Israel, about the Middle East, about the government, about Trump, about a variety of folks. Candace posits, she believes that it was at that time when all hell broke loose, when Charlie was getting hinky, when he said he wanted to maybe uh do a Doge type of investigation or or some type of an audit and that he was very seriously thinking about removing or uh uh withdrawing from any support of Trump or the or the government because of their affiliation with Israel. Candace believes that the whole Middle East thing is is the just a rubber stamp that we're acting as proxies for Israel and Charlie believes so as well. Reality check number one. They're saying that all over the world. It's not novel. It it if if they're suggesting that that they that Charlie was was taken out because of that, he's repeating what everybody else is saying. It's not even novel. A lot of people say that. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I I don't know. So motive is a weird thing. And the fourth part about is just Erica. Erica is the heel in professional wrestling. She's the bad guy. If you've ever saw If you ever saw years ago Dynasty, Falcon Crest, those great great movie, Alexis Carrington and all these these women that were just just horrible. They were shrews and heridans uh mirraes. And we're horrible. Uh just these turigants, you know, just [clears throat] that's Erica. Erica is so much fun. Seriously, don't you don't you find out now that the going back and just listening to things she said then and you realize it's fun. Now, is it the end of the world? Of course not. Of course not. But what it is is it's something even more important than that. It's the idea for us a kind of a crowdsource truth. Why I love Candace and what she's doing is that she starts on one premise. She has the only one who has the courage to do this. When they go after her, she comes back at them with a fury and a ferocity nobody could even imagine. It is like nothing anybody has seen. And the billion dollars Oh, Dupont offered CK to pull out of the Greenland rare earth medals deal. Yep. That that's good, too. But remember, you will find a lot of these things. By the way, Ian and I appreciate this, but the question is you have to ask yourself, is it enough to warrant his dispatch? Why why cause attention to this? Or the fact that something goes wrong? Let's say somebody's caught in the middle of it. But is he really that important? Everybody's saying this. I mean, there there are ways to to pay him back. Why that? Why? Especially after Epstein. Why? But remember one thing. They lie to you. They lie to you. They lie to your face. They lie all the time. time they want to take your place. Backstabbers. They lie. They hate you. They hate everything about you. Everything. They have such contempt for you. They think you're so stupid. They think you're going to believe this. That's absolutely ain't going to happen. So, let me just also tell you first of all that. But to to Candace, thank her for bringing you over. It is so I'm so grateful to have such great people, great Americans, great thinkers, great folks, not only here but all over the world who recognize macity and also have the courage like Candace to say you're you're wrong lady Erica, you're wrong. This has got to stop. This has got to stop if if for no other reason in Charlie's name. And by the way, TPUSA, you aid and abet this. You are accompllices to all of this and you're going to look so bad. Your name is going to be tentamount to the Shyola company. Nobody's going to want to have anything to do with you, especially when prosecutions come about and a lot of other stuff as well. So, it's going to be something. My friends, I told you I thank you for this. You were so so unbelievably kind for you to join to join us. Candace, if you're listening, thank you for this. Thank you for introducing me to these great friends. By the way, any questions you have, any thoughts, observations before we we back it up? I always like to see what you think because if you were on my trial team, what would you notice? And by the way, somebody said, "Is this a bunch of crap? Do you think this is a bunch of crap?" Do you think Do you think that this is totally baseless? I say absolutely not. 100% absolutely not. So my friends, I thank you to those of you who were so kind to to to donate or to uh super chat and the like. Thank you for that. Like I said, tomorrow I have been Oh, and by the way, I have been awake for uh I don't look at this. Got a brand new member here. Thank you. I don't know. I'm trying to think how long it was. I was on from 1 to 5:00 a.m. overnights. um that day was up pretty much. So, and then left, caught a plane with my wife, been traveling. We're we're uh here on the on the West Coast and uh I'm just I don't even know. I'm just I'm out of it. So, if I I might leave a little bit earlier because I might say something that's totally and completely desolatory. This is by the way this is one of the things that that um that our good friend uh Kamala Harris or Gal as I call her. She has a thing called looria or logoia they called it verbal incontinence. She just talks nonsense and logoia. Logora is like diarrhea but with words. It's just just spews. These are true terms and by the way indices of uh schizophrenia. I don't want to get to that point. I do not want to get to that point. Let me just say before I forget. If you've ever t I hate I hate airplanes. I hate airlines. I hate We flew out of JFK and let me tell you something. It was just people walking around in their pajamas. By the way, thanks thanks to to Florida, by the way, who said or Tampa, excuse me, Tampa airport said you cannot wear uh pajamas and the like. And I think this is terrific. Uh, I love your words and description of everything. I knew from the first week when Erica Kirk stood on that pulpit with fake tears, I felt something was wrong. That is absolutely correct. You know something was wrong and you realize it was wrong, Michael, because you've been around and you know what lying and macity is or you know that just incredible. So anyway, dear dear dear friends, I love you. Thank you so much for your kindness. Thank you for your for your incredible words. Thank you. And by the way, thank you so much for following my beloved wife at Lynn's Warriors on YouTube. This week, she has been consoling families who lost loved ones through the absolute You want to talk about the the dark forces, the psychopathy of digital of uh of U Silicon Valley and big tech because there was a bill called KOSA and they basically are out to gut anything that would make it at all. It's almost illusory, but she's been on the phone again protecting children against human trafficking, human rights violations, and digital predation. So, please follow her at Lyn's Warriors. It means a lot. I would appreciate it a much love her as well because what she's doing is without peer. And I thank you, my friends. Thank you so much. And Candace, if you're if you're listening, thank you for directing your beautiful and great, brilliant audience towards me. It is an honor. There's a bunch of us out there that do the best we can and most a lot of people they basically believe every oh I'll put it this way. They respond to everything that Candace has said. I think that's fine. I don't. My analysis is a little different. It's observational. It's perhaps uh it's more I think it's almost psychological. So, it's almost like a like a debriefing, like a like a uh like a psychological post-mortem because I think what makes things people interesting are the characteristics of the people that we're talking about. And there was no I do not Hillary Clinton doesn't lie that much. Nobody lies like Eric Kirk. Nobody. Think about it. Nobody. Nobody lies like Erica Kurt. So, anyway, thank you. Please do me a favor. Please like the video. Make sure you hit that little bell so you're notified of live streams and new videos because while I'm away, I just may jump on and do a live one right away or others as well promote. I've got a lot of stuff I want to talk about. But I thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for celebrating the truth. Thank you for being so steadfast and so focused on exposing non-truth. It says a lot about you and it says a lot about us because it's one thing that we hate is a liar. You can exaggerate. You can get things wrong. You might be kind of full of it, but that doesn't mean that's not the same as somebody who looks you in the eye and lies. We're going to get to the bottom of that. My friends, thank you so much. Hug your kids. Love them. It's a brutal and terrible world out there. Make sure you love your spouse and your friends as well as I embrace you. Dear friends, have a great and a glorious evening. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Don't forget, like the video, subscribe to the channel, and uh until we meet again, remember these final words. The monkeyy's dead. The show's over. Zya dad there.