Adam Mockler Debates Twenty Conservative Students on Trump Fascism and Immigration at Jubilee Debate

Now you're saying he's the most corrupt president in US history. To me it sounds like fascist, most corrupt in history, who's escaped the law because of his political influence or something. Why don't you want Donald Trump dead? What do you think is radicalizing more people, Nick Fuentes or MSNBC? >> Probably MSNBC. >> Really? More so than Nick Fuentes. I hear someone laughing behind me. That's kind of when immigrants move into the country, they are a net benefit. Can you site a study of the opposite? >> I can site theory. I can site. >> You ask me for a study and you can't site one because the barriers are increased. What what are the barriers? The only barrier we talked about is work requirements, and that's working 20 hours a week. >> You got me. That was a good one. That was really good. Thank you. >> You got me. >> My name is Adam Mockler. I talk politics on YouTube every single day, and I am a liberal college dropout. Today, I'm surrounded by 20 conservative college [music] students. My first claim is Trump is causing a rise of fascism in our generation. Hey, Adam. I'm Scotty. Nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you, Scotty. >> Hey, would you mind unpacking a little bit more what you mean by rise? >> The rise of fascism. Yeah. Over the past decade, we've seen a normalization of more fascist anti-democratic ideologies. Just to explain, Trump's claim to fame entering US politics. He was famous before this, but he entered US politics by saying Obama wasn't born in America. He convinced a large swath of the country that Obama was not born in America. Four years later, he was chanting, "Lock her up," at a political rally, and no presidential candidate had done that before. Four years after that, he had couped the government, or at least attempted to coup the government. And now, I I live in the city of Chicago. He's posted AI memes of Chicago being invaded. He sent the military into Chicago. So, over the past, they could say, decade, decade and a half, we've seen a normalization of fascism in America. And I think it's manifesting in our generation in unique ways. We could talk about the Politico story, but Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I would say let's let's talk a little bit more about what fascism actually is because I think fascism is a loaded term. >> What's your definition? >> Before I get there, what I would say when you attach fascism to Trump's name, that is a slap in the face to all the Jews who were exterminated under fascist law. >> Fascism doesn't just have to do with Jews. Donald Trump is out. >> It was Hitler. When you think of fascism, you think of two people. You think of Hitler and you think of Mousolini who killed millions and millions of people. Trump is not that. >> What's your definition of fascism? >> I would say fascism is a one person or one party who is silencing and who is demeaning and who is I guess you would say, you know, opposing and silencing any other opposition. >> It's it's kind of right. I >> nuance to that. I'd say a a better definition is a far-right authoritarian ideology with one leader at the top with a cult of personality who forcibly suppresses opposition as you said, but at the same time he erodess democratic norms and there is hypermilitarization involved military in the streets. Do you agree disagree with any of that? >> I agree with you that Trump which one of those descriptions does not describe Trump those terms. I would say that Trump >> I guess you say what are his motives behind doing this you're asking me you're saying these things no >> you were pressing me on the definition of fascism so I gave you a few qualities which of those qualities does not describe Trump >> say those qualities one more time >> it is a far-right authoritarian ideology with one leader at the top who is a cult of personality he forcibly suppresses opposition they like hypermilitarization >> I disagree with forcibly doing that tell me give me an example right now about forcibly >> you know a really good example is lately Jimmy Kimmel was taken off air by the FCC because the FCC >> I knew we were going to go here with Jimmy Kim. >> Wait, listen. No, no. >> Did you hear you know who the FCC commissioner is? >> Yes. Okay. Who is it? >> No, I actually don't know exactly who this is, but I know what >> it is. Brendan Carr. So, if you don't know who it is, then you might not know that Brendan Carr said in an interview, we can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way. It was essentially a mobster threat. Other than that, Donald Trump has attacked law firms. He has attacked universities. Jimmy Kimmel might not be the best example because he's a late night show host, but it is a glaring example. So, right, I would disagree with you. And what do you mean by like forcibly? Right? Because you're attaching fascism to Trump. Right? We attach fascism. We attach that to Hitler and Mousolini. Jimmy Kimmel, him taking Jimmy Kim, he didn't have anything direct to do with taking Jimmy Kimmel off of air. The reason why Jimmy Kimmel got taken off of air is because nobody liked Jimmy Kimmel. I've >> Let's talk about the word said Jimmy Kimmel. He's not that funny. >> Let's talk about the word forcibly then. Forcibly doesn't mean through violence. It could be using the states, using the government, or your position of power to try to suppress the opposition. Donald Trump has spent his entire political career acting like the Democratic Party shouldn't exist. You know, Act Blue, the fun and Obama have done the same things. What are you talking about? It's not about forcibly what has Trump done forcibly remove the opposition. He's spoken against the press yet. Every president has done that of all time. They've spoken against the opposition press. But that doesn't mean he's forcibly removed somebody from that position. >> Last month, Donald Trump sent out a truth social post towards Pam Bondi. Do you know what I'm talking about? He said, "Pam, I want you to indict these three people and move fast." What happened is Eric Sebert, the federal prosecutor from the Eastern District of Virginia, then was forced to resign, forcibly resign, not through violence, but through pressure. Then you see two of the three people that Donald Trump named indicted for random stuff. You have Leticia James, and then you have James Comey who got indicted. We also just saw John Bolton indicted. I ask you is indicting your political opponents for speaking up against you. >> They did the exact same things to Trump. The left party, the Democratic party has done the same jury in New York. They tried to No. No. A grand jury in New York. Who's that? >> See, now we're getting into, you know, those jury things. They used political power to go after Trump. They were afraid of him. They were afraid of what he was going to do to America. >> Did Biden ever tweet at his attorney general and say, "Hey, Merrick Garland, can you invade?" >> No, because Biden wasn't even in charge of the presidency. He was not even making those things. >> Pause. Pause. Sorry. You've been eliminated by the majority. That was so much fun. >> That was great. I love that. It was great to meet you, Scotty. >> Hi, Satie. >> Satie. Nice to meet you. I'm Adam. >> You. So, I want to touch on your forceful suppression of the opposition as defining fascism. So, in my understanding, I think that the leftist party is assassinating conservatives. So, we're talking about Charlie Kirk's assassination. We're writing engraving on the bullets catch fascist. I think that shows fascism over here. >> Can you define what you mean by leftist party? Because I I think that conservatives are very good at individual responsibility. And when you're placing the blame on an entire party because one 22-year-old dude killed somebody, which is obviously tragic, then what do you mean by leftist party? >> Yeah. So, we have Kla Harris calling Trump supporters fascist, Biden calling Trump supporters fascist. When you have these big leaders calling individuals fascist, and then that is getting tagged on to conservatives as a whole. So I think that the leftist party is actually very good about saying one thing about one person and then this is getting spread to everyone. So back to what I'm saying about Charlie Kirk. So when Charlie Kirk got assassinated saying catch fascist I think that's a very good good example of fascism. And then you want to talk about the >> Can I ask you is your position that people in power should not be calling the opposition party fascists or Gustapo or Hitler? Donald Trump Donald Trump called Kla Harris and Joe Biden a fascist a dozen times throughout the campaign trail. He called them Gustapo. And only one politician has called Donald Trump Hitler and it's JD Vance, his vice president. >> And which party has that stuck to? That's stuck to conservatives. Fascism has stuck to conservatives consistently. You have all this violence on college campuses saying that we're going to they're calling turning point target practice USA posting photos of us with red X's on our face with dots on our neck. So how are you to say >> who's they though? Like random unhinged people. Do you think unhinged? >> Random unhinged leftist random unhinged. Do you think unhinged right-wing supporters exist or no? >> Absolutely. I think there's some on both sides. But that's why I'm saying you can't say forcible suppression of the opposition is tagged only onto Trump because that's coming from the left side as well. >> Okay. Let me ask you then. I'm going to ask you the same question that I asked Scotty. When Donald Trump sent a true social post with three names in the post and two of those names have been indicted over the past month. Is there any analog to the Biden administration sending out open posts to the attorney general Meritt Garland and asking people to be indicted? I'm I honestly am not completely knowledgeable on what exactly. >> Okay, so Donald Trump has spent the past nine months in office trying to consolidate power among every single institution, not just by appointing loyalists, but by trying to target law firms that are democratic universities. Act blue, which is the main fundraising pack for the Democratic Party has recently been uh invest like they're investigating trying to sue them because they want to take down any mechanism that helps the Democratic party. >> Let's talk about universities. >> Is that force? Wait, is that forcibly suppressing the opposition party when you're trying to >> I don't know if I'd exactly say forceful suppression. It depends on exactly how you're saying it because like we were saying when you're attaching the term fascists, you're talking about Nazis. You're talking about specifically Nazis. And when they say oppression, >> not just Nazis. >> I'm saying specifically for what I'm saying. The suppression of the opposition. When they're calling Trump Hitler, they're calling conser. >> Who's they? JD Vance. >> I'm sorry. Leftist. When the leftist >> Which leftist politician? Can you name one? >> I think you're moving the gold post here. >> Wait, no, no. Can you name one leftist politician who has called Trump Hiller? >> I It's every single It's like >> So you shouldn't be throwing this out when no leftist politicians have actually called Trump >> throwing out the term fascism. >> Um is saying that election was stolen when it wasn't fascism. Wait, do you think the 2020 election was stolen? >> I don't I don't know. >> You don't know? >> I don't know because I'm not I'm not honest. >> This proves my point. Trump is causing a rise of fascism in our generation. I would never say that you're a fascist, but I think there is a normalization of an ideology where people are denying elections. You don't even know if the 2020 election was stolen. This isn't America. The 2020 election was not stolen. >> You've been eliminated by the majority. Could Could you please return? >> Thank you. That was great. [snorts] >> Nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you as well. >> So, um, you keep saying Trump is a fascist and just keep throwing that term around. >> I didn't say that. I said he's causing a rise of fascism in our generation. I would consider him a fascist though. Yeah, >> he's not a fascist because a fascist is one party rule. Is there there's two parties in the United States. is not one party and he's not using violence to control power. It's not like after 2028 you're never going to see Trump again. His two-term limit is over. That's not fascism. If you want to see fascism, go to the Middle East. I'm Egyptian. If you want to see fascism is when when the president >> Okay, you said fascism is one party control. Donald Trump has spent the past decade acting like the opposition [clears throat] party shouldn't exist. Caroline Levit just the other day said the entire Democratic voter base is Hamas terrorists, criminals, and illegal immigrants. Stephen Miller says, "The Democratic Party is not a party. It is a domestic extremist organization." Donald Trump, wait, listen. Donald Trump has called my side nats, the enemy within, and people who need to be taken care of. He's tried to get the military to boo Obama and liberals. So Donald Trump over the past decade does not want the Democratic party to exist. That's why they're targeting Act Blue. That's why they're targeting our fun. >> You're telling me that he doesn't have the right to criticize their Democratic party at all? >> That's not criticizing the party. That's using your power to take down their >> funding. But doesn't the Democratic party they try to impeach him twice? Also, is that fascism? Why? Why? Why you trying to >> wait the wait? Hold up. You think it's fascism to go through the proper processes to impeach somebody? Wait a minute. When one party controls the narrative when you had Twitter, you got all the >> Just go back one second. Impeaching somebody is not fascism. Impeaching somebody is going through making a false narrative around him. That's what they did. >> If you want to talk about false narrative, let's talk about the 2020 election because listen, you came in here. Listen, calm down. Like, take a deep breath. Okay? Let me tell you, okay, when you have one party, >> I just get mad at terrible talking points. I'm so sorry. >> Listen, listen, listen, listen. You know, take a deep breath. So, when you have a party, one party controlling the narrative on social media and they were telling when there was um pre-COVID >> Wait, who owns Twitter right now? Elon Musk. Elon Mus Tik Tok, right-wingers. Who owns Facebook? Mark Zuckerberg. But they switch narrative. They switched narrative based on who's in who's in um >> who's who's in power. So, right now you got Trump, right? You're saying he's a fascist. Is that your claim? What's your claim? that people that America is going to be a fascist nation. That is that your claim? >> No. My claim is that Trump is causing a rise of fascism in our generation. And you know what? Sitting in this room proves it because you guys are all blind to the fact to the fact that the Middle East I'm Syrian, but I haven't been to the Middle East. No. >> Okay. Have you been to Middle Have you seen fascism in in Syrian when they're killing Christians just because of their faith? That's that's fascism. Someone just people is he Trump killing >> someone just claimed that fascism can only mean Hitler or Mussolini. So now there's a broader definition. Now you guys understand this. Okay. Thank you. Thank God you guys understand it. >> It means fascism is attributed to those people because they killed people. They killed people. Trump is not >> fascism doesn't just mean you killed people. >> It's one party sign everyone off and they're trying to control. >> Do you think Donald Trump had it? Do you think if Donald Trump and Steven Miller had it their way? They would let the Democratic party exist or do you think they would go after opponents, fundraising mechanisms, etc., etc.? Which one? >> No. What Trump is doing is you've been eliminated by the group. You may return to the seat. >> Thanks, AB. Damn. >> Nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you, Adam. Uh, Ethan. >> Ethan. >> So, I want to get started with talking about how you're saying, sitting in this room with all of us who are blind to the truth or whatever is proving your point about the rise of fascism. It seems that you are doing exactly what people have been saying and applying this label needlessly to so many conservatives like painting with a broad brush. And it makes me wonder if you really use fascism in the way in like how the word means or if you're using it as like a manipulation technique to silence opposition. >> My intention is never ever to paint an entire party as fascist or anyone in this room as fascist. I don't think anyone is. But I think that there is a blindness and there is a normalization of fascism. Can I ask you a question? >> Sure. Was the 2020 election stolen or was it not? Was it legit? >> I'm not sure. But can I ask you a question? No. No. That scares me. Listen, >> you think elections can be stolen? Let me finish. >> You think it's impossible for elections to be stolen? >> Of course. But in the United States, Donald Trump then took 60 court cases, 60 cases of election fraud. He lost every single legally after he went through the courts legally. What he did is that didn't work. So then he called election officials. You know, Brad Raffensburgger from Georgia. Have you heard this phone call? >> I have. Yeah. He said, "Can you find me 11,000 votes?" After that didn't work, he tried a fake speculating a lot on what he meant on that phone. >> Okay. But then after that, he tried a fake elector scheme. You've heard of this, right? He tried to gather fake electors in seven states to override the real electors. After that didn't work. January 6 happened. I know everyone's going to sigh at this, but do you know what was happening inside the capital on January 6? >> What was happening? >> Well, do you know what was happening inside the capital? >> They were like um ratifying or affirming like the election. Mike Pence was certifying the results of the election. And what were the people chanting outside? There was a group of people chanting, "Hang Mike Pence." So wait, when Trump Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me finish. When Trump said the election was stolen before it even happened and then he stood on stage when 50% of the votes were counted and said, "I won this election." And then he calls election officials and then on January 6th, the day they're certifying the vote, people getting the point. Okay. So, do you get what I'm saying now? >> I I think I get what you now. I'm sitting in a room of people who don't even know if I speak for a second. >> Okay. So, how do you feel about that report that came out showing that there was like 274 FBI informants in the crowd on January 6th? >> I think that it's hilarious that Trump sent out a tweet saying Biden's FBI did that when it was Trump's FBI. >> Wait, who FBI? >> Trump's FBI. The same FBI that literally like colluded against him with Russia. >> No, no. Whose FBI was this in 2020? >> I mean, it was the FBI under Trump. >> So, how do you feel about Trump's FBI doing that though? How do you feel about the whole Russia gate thing that the FBI pedled to like try and frame a sitting president for treason? Dude, >> what's your source for this, >> dude? The Tulsi Tulsi Gabbard. Yeah, the director. >> Donald Trump doesn't even trust Tulsi Gabbard to be inside on some of these like Iran conversations. >> The director of national intelligence who's over the C CIA and FBI did a press conference and released a bunch of documents and she said, "Hey, >> they read the documents. They don't say what she says." They said Donald Trump had four years during his first term. No, they did not. There was no Russia collusion. Donald Trump or >> they found no credible evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 election. Literally his campaign years and years to try to frame him for treason. Dude, >> his campaign manager was literally arrested for colluding with the Russians at one point in 2016. I wouldn't say Trump did, but the Tulsi Gabbard report that you're citing is not saying what you think it says. >> I mean, it's in the documents that she released. People can read it for themselves. And furthermore, it's not just that, but you had like the deputy director of the FBI. >> Wait, so who who tried to pin Trump for treason? Like, who exactly was this? What? You got to be specific with your claim. >> It was the FBI and the CIA and former Obama administration officials that were investigating the Trump campaign leading up to the election. >> You've been eliminated by the majority. >> Nice to meet you. >> That was a great conversation. >> Thanks. [applause] >> Hey there, Adam. >> How you doing? >> Great to meet you. Great to meet you. Nice to meet you, Muel. >> All right. Well, I guess I I have a few questions. Uh I want to start with you seem to be kind of in news and I I kind of want to come back down to reality. So, I'm a college student at UC Berkeley. I've had a student, it's documented online on Instagram, come up to me after class, vaguely threaten me and say a bunch of stuff. Yeah. University does absolutely nothing. I filed a report. I did everything. Wasn't even removed from my classes. And this is all documented and up online. So, I as a student don't have the freedom to go share my opinions. Charlie Kirk, the day Charlie Kirk died, we requested security. The university turned down our request for security. These these are the real examples of fascism every single day. Are you trying to equate one random No, wait. No, hold on. Are you trying to equate one random college student who I condemn? No. Who I think is with Donald Trump using his power to try to consolidate as much of No, you're not. Okay. So, what are you trying to say? >> So, I'm trying to say that there's a system of the university here that's set up against >> system. Do you mean one student? >> Uh, no. I mean that there's a system that I reported this person to and nothing happened. This is part and parcel. Well, it's stifling conservative speech on campuses. And my my point here is and we saw back in the 2020 election the suppression of the Hunter Biden story. I don't think the election was actually, >> you know, ballots were thrown in and it was rigged. I I don't >> Wait. So, you think it So, wait. You do or you don't? Sorry. I >> I do not believe that. >> You don't think the election was stolen? There's probably a few people here who disagree with you. Does that worry you at all? >> Uh, I think it's it's slightly worrying, but >> it's slightly worrying that people think the election was stolen because they were convinced by the president. concerning that when I table on my campus, I have students telling me that Charlie Kirk deserved to die, throwing up L's in my face, laughing at me. >> That's terrible. But you can't equate one or a few random students for the president of the United States convinced a large portion of the country the election was stolen when it wasn't. I condemn these random Okay, I just want to ask you a question. >> You're saying that this is fascism. Can you provide your definition of mine as normal? >> This is a small scale. So, I would say there there's a few definitions and I think all of them are like mine. >> Uh can can you repeat your character? Actually, I want to pause because you you wanted to talk about the rise of fascism. And that that's what I have the generation cuz your your claim isn't that Trump is a fascist. Your claim is that Trump has contributed to the rise of fascism. Why do all the fascist people in American politics hate Donald Trump? Why did Fuentes not vote for Donald Trump? Why did why did all the people who are openly claiming, you know, Medi Hassan, you saw that Jubilee surrounded? >> I was going to say, wait a minute. >> Why do all these people who who are openly admitting that they're fascist? Why do why does not a single one of them support Donald Trump? >> They are openly admitting that they're fascists and a lot of them do support Donald Trump. Number one, the people in that episode conservatives. Number one, but number two, >> conservative, not Republican. They don't vote Republican. >> But also, what about the Politico story that really changed the point? That's >> I'm not changing the point. You No, no, no. You asked me. Unless you want to contain it to one Jubilee episode. >> Go to the Go. >> Let me finish. Unless you want to contain the people we're talking about to one Jubilee episode. Young people, not only young Republicans, but young conservatives. Sure. They are turning to fascism at a high rate. Do you condemn what was in that group chat? >> What group chat? Oh, the political group chat. Uh, I I would personally condemn what was said in that group chat. >> And what was said in that group? >> Wait, wait. Can you tell me what was said in that group chat? >> Yeah. So, they they described black people as watermelon people. They said they love Hitler. They they they said a lot of >> Wait, wait. What do they say about gas chambers? >> Uh, they said if you don't vote for me, you're getting sent to the gas. >> Okay. Wait a minute. And these weren't just young Republicans. These were like 20, 30, 40 year olds, correct? No. No. These were 20, 30, 40 year olds. And some of them were state senators. So, younger people seem to be inclined towards fascism. You can respond. I'm sorry. >> Okay. Younger people seem to be inclined towards fascism. Yes. And all these people don't like Donald Trump. It's those were young. >> Let me finish speaking. Okay. You keep Okay. So, it was a reaction. >> You've been animated by the >> All right. Thank you. >> That's great. >> Hello. >> Hi. Nice to meet you. >> Hi, I'm Sarah. So, I'm a lot more concerned about the rise of violent left-wing rhetoric among Gen Z than so-called fascism because I'm sorry if you think like that chat was any sort like that meant that fascism is on the rise. It's like you've never been a Call of Duty lobby. Like it's called making edgy jokes. Okay. >> Wait a minute. You make those types of jokes? >> I don't personally, but like that's like every young man ever has like made a joke. >> Raise your hand if you make those types of jokes. >> For real. Like >> Okay. So, no one will actually admit it because it's kind of weird to make those types of jokes. Everyone makes those types and that YouTube like no male friends if you've like never been in a room where people say the n word as a joke like it's like everyone does that and you know it's true and it's like if not you're probably like homosexuals >> okay my male friends and I tell each other to like kill themselves we do funny stuff >> okay oh that's so shocking oh my gosh we don't say we don't say off to the gas chamber the difference is that young leftists genuinely worshiped the murder of Charlie Kirk and Luigi Manion who are people committing genuine acts of violence and They genuinely condone that. So that's the big difference because I mean I saw literally graffiti on college campuses saying kill all Charlie Kirks. They are inciting violence and that is a totally like normalized thing to say to like celebrate the fact and that's serious and the political group chat was a joke and you know that. >> Okay. So your concession is that you know people talk like fascists in private sometimes but you're worried that leftists are using increasingly violent rhetoric like the people you were talking about. Luigi >> one thing is serious and one thing is a joke. >> Okay. I want to ask you one thing. is did one Democratic politician support what Luigi did? Can you name any actual Democratic politician? >> Uh, no. But it doesn't matter because on the other side, you were talking about the rise in the generation. You're not talking about politicians. >> I am talking about politicians as well. So, on the other side, >> now you're No, no, no. Let me let me clarify. >> What about young leftists? What about What about the violence that young leftists? >> Let me clarify very very quickly. So you're trying to point to young leftists on the left, but on the right there are politicians in power. People like Steven Miller who says the Democratic Party is a domestic extremist organization. Caroline Levit just the other day, as I said, said that the entire base is Hamas terrorists and criminals. So when you have people in power on the right, wait, wait, wait. They're using this rhetoric and normalizing it that goes downstream. So >> and you have leftwing media like MSNBC cheering backstage when Charlie Kirk was murdered. >> Wait, you think people are being murdered because of MSNBC? You think MSNBC is radical? Yes, I do. >> You think MSNBC is radical? >> Oh, absolutely. >> What do you think is radicalizing more people, Nick Fentes or MSNBC? >> Probably MSNBC. >> Really? More so than Nick Fuentes. I hear someone laughing behind me. That's kind of But also, there is a fundamental difference between people in power using rhetoric in random leftists. Listen, I'm a young liberal. >> You know, Don Lemon just told people to shoot ICE agents. They told They told Don Lemon just told illegal brown people to grab guns so they can shoot ICE agents when they show up at their door. Is Don Lemon not someone in a position of power? >> As a young liberal, can I >> do? Wait, do you condone that? >> What do you condone shooting? Yeah. Do you condone that? >> No, you should not shoot ICE agents. He said that you should have a weapon in your house. Don't you support the Second Amendment? >> Not for illegal immigrants. They're not allowed to legally own firearms. >> Can I Can I clarify something? [applause] >> Can I clarify? He was talking about citizens because he said they're arresting and detaining citizens. So, if you watch that if you watch that clip, he was saying citizens. I hope there's one of those fact checks on screen because he was saying they're detaining citizens. So, really quickly, >> citizens wouldn't need to be like shooting ICE agents either. >> I don't think anyone should shoot ICE agents, but he was number one, I'm not Don Lemon, I'm not Don Lemon. That's a ton. No, we're saying we're seeing leftwing people openly insight. I'm a young liberal and I completely wholeheartedly condemn anyone on my side who is number one talking poorly about Charlie Kirk. Number two saying insane half your party. Do it. >> Oh, you think? Okay. Can you name one Democratic person in position of power who said something about Charlie Kirk that was >> Yeah, I just said like half of the people on MSNBC we saw the video he died. I don't know cuz they're off camera but we heard the cheers the second he died. >> On your side I can name Mike Lee who made fun of Melissa Hortman after she died. I can name Donald Trump and Don Jr. who made fun of Nancy Pelosi. So just to back up, there is a normalization of this type of ideology happening in our politics and it's due to people like Donald Trump. Okay, >> we saw Luji Manion as a sex symbol. >> Pause. Time out. We're done with this claim. So we need to move on to the next claim. [applause] >> My next claim is despite Trump's claims, the economy is not in a golden age. >> Got it. Nice to meet you. I'm Riley. >> Nice to meet you, Riley. >> So, why don't you think why do you think um Trump's economy isn't golden? >> I don't think it's in a golden age. I think that he claims almost on a weekly basis that the economy is in a golden age and that we are bringing in trillions of dollars in tariffs, but that's not manifesting in any of the indicators. We can look at three in particular. Unemployment is up since Trump took office. Prices are rising and manufacturing is down. Manufacturing was one of his big claims, but we can dig into any of those. >> Um, yeah. So I would just like to talk about the tariffs first in general. Um so actually when we increase tariffs it's um kind of proven that always at the beginning um inflation rise there's always a little spike and then it eventually decreases. Um we can also see that Trump would do this to eventually in hopes to improve domestic manufacturing and self-reliance because for example we get about 60% of semiconductors and um 90% of microchips from Taiwan. they're the leading manufacturer of those in the whole world and currently they're at war with China and if China takes over Taiwan then we're in big trouble right so um I would just kind of like like to add that it's really important that tar and not only do tariffs help us get that self-reliance and create more jobs um we also can use tariffs to make more money and bring more money for our country because to fix the national debt issue that Biden's team caused so >> yeah let's start off with the first claim about tariffs reshoring manufacturing They absolutely can be used to reshore certain industries into the United States and that's a good point, but that's not how Trump's using them. He placed blanket tariffs on every single country except for Russia and North Korea for some odd effing reason. But then he has been kind of weird about these tariffs. Like there's no actual concessions that he's trying to get. He placed tariffs on countries that we had free trade with. And then secondly, when you do tariffs, wait really quickly. When you do tariffs all via executive order, all of his tariffs were via executive order. None of them actually went through Congress or were long-term and binding. There's no actual incentivization for countries to reshore manufacturing because there's no really quickly there's no continuity into the next administration, right? Can you agree that when you do it all via executive order, the next administration could just, you know, run it all back. So, we've seen actually a decrease in manufacturing investments. >> I would I would like to add that when we see that um employment rates will rise and costs will go down. We've already um as he's it's only it's bar we're not even in his first full. >> He said he's the one that's claiming we're in a golden age and said 90 deals in 90 days. Also, can I add that when tariffs are added about like you said about multiple across all nations in the world that is like a I believe I'm saying the right name neoexceptionalism um trade policy so we can have more communication with other countries and also um to just generate more wealth also as well and um >> that's not manifesting in any of our manufacturing investment that wealth is not manifesting for the US people in fact this type of tax is regressive you can you agree that uh tariffs are paid by the US consumer consumer like can you split with Trump there? >> Yes, of course tariffs are um paid by the US consumer but as we can see that when we make when we I mean use tariffs to have domestic manufacturing and um to just generate more wealth. We can rely on ourselves and not look to these other countries like we have been for so long. And >> that's right, but it's not what Trump's doing. Actually, real private fixed investment into manufacturing structures in the United States went down. Biden actually had a few acts that incentivized like the chips act incentivized the building of chips and semiconductors in the United States. But Trump is tearing up these trade deals and then piecing them back together with tape and signing his name on it as if it's as if he did something when he didn't. >> But as we can see with Biden's um era of presidency, inflation actually increased. And um with Trump's current president second term, it hasn't decreased. And we actually see um as of August, I believe, uh that median household income has increased $1,000 already. And in his first term, we've seen >> You've been animated by. >> It was a pleasure. >> That was great. I really enjoyed that. Thank you. >> Got you. What's up? >> Hi. Nice to meet you, Isaiah. >> Isaiah, >> I want to give you 30 seconds and I want to give myself 30 seconds just to understand where you're coming from. >> Yeah. So again, there are a few indicators that you can look at, but if Donald Trump is going to claim that we are in a golden age, then we necessarily had to have been in a golden age under the end of Biden's term. Because so far, youth unemployment is up 16% since he took office. That's people in this room. Youth unemployment is up. That's not a golden age. Unemployment for black Americans is up 20% since he took office. That is not a golden age. We can look at inflation over the past, you know, since Liberation Day in April. You can look at inflation and it has gone up. We were actually trending down at the end of Biden's term and as Trump took office, but now it is trending back up. And all of this is for what? No actual reshoring of manufacturing quite yet. >> All right, perfect. >> So to go based on you want to talk about unemployment? >> Any of it. Yeah. >> So to go based on unemployment, the reason why it's actually higher is because under Biden's inflation reduction act that actually increased the inflation margin significantly only because it actually did in fact increase taxes. It did say it was going to put $ 1.5 trillion dollars back into the economy for roads, infrastructure, all that. It didn't actually increase anything necessarily. Actually, that was more so actually given to the states actually to do away with the money as they choose. As far as tariffs go, >> yes, obviously inflation does increase as well as well as also a slow slow growth maintenance. But as far as that goes, actually for a long-term development, >> how long you have to >> Well, it could take as much as 5 years. >> But that's also an investment to the American mercy. Is that what the people voted for? I thought they voted for immediate relief. >> As far as As Yeah, don't get me wrong, egg prices did drop. So did gasoline prices. The only reason why California isn't as high is just because of California's regulations. But either way, while he does actually influence the economy through his executive orders, he can't control every single >> Can I ask you, do you think we're in a golden age right now as Trump claims? >> Do I think that we're in a golden age? I think we're actually pro progressing there. >> Okay. Do you think that Trump has brought in the amount of money he claims? He claims it's $18 trillion. He says 17 to$18 trillion based on tariffs. >> I do believe so because as the tariffs have actually have actually done companies have actually met actually started to set up their businesses here in the United States. Yes. >> The problem is okay a few things. Number one, there was a CNBC article that came out just yesterday where they interviewed 12 business owners and all of them said that the tariffs have impacted them so negatively that they've had to reduce the amount of people that employ them. They've had to slow down their growth. And when it comes to the $18 trillion that Trump is claiming, they're just inflated numbers that Trump seems to be lying about. And my entire point is when unemployment for young Americans, for black Americans up, yeah, it's high, >> especially because we actually outsource our employment from other countries as well, which actually will be get will be [clears throat] brought back to the United States when they actually >> when >> when five years, >> like I said, it's an investment. You have to also give it time for the economy to actually heal. This is actually we were already healing. We were at a pretty good pace. The stock market was hitting all-time highs. Then when Trump announced the Liberation Day tariffs, it dropped and it took months for it to return to those all-time highs. It took months. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I appreciate that. Have a good day. >> That was great. >> Matt, nice meeting you. >> I'm Adam. Nice to meet you. >> First of all, when Trump says golden age, he means golden age, which is a set of time period. It doesn't happen. It's not golden day, golden year, golden 3 months. There's no time uh stamp or time limit on the golden age. So, it's an idea that America is going to be entered in to a time period, a time age, and hopefully sooner than later. >> It's not the age part I have a problem with. It's the golden part I have a problem with. >> So, why don't you think we're heading into a golden age? >> I don't think we're in a golden age as Trump claims for the few reasons that I've stated. I mean, the economy is just not bearing that. People in our generation are going into a golden age. >> Wait, what? Why? >> So, not why you don't think we're in a golden age. Why do you think we're not going into a golden age? >> Well, because the indicators are slowing down since Trump took office. If you want to say that we're in a golden age now, then we were in a golden age under Biden. As Biden left office, the economy was recovering. And I know that he had a rocky four years. I know there were a lot of extrinsic factors such as COVID, the Ukraine war, and some policies that Biden passed. I can easily concede that. But by the end of Biden's term, the economy was starting to stick the landing. And Trump immediately screwed it up by doing these liberation day tariffs combined with the big ugly beautiful bill or whatever which will not only you know strip Medicaid and social security nets away from the lowest income earners or people that need it the most but it also provides permanent tax cuts to the richest of the rich. >> So in terms of the economy because the Medicaid is a whole different argument. So let's not talk about Medicaid. Let's talk into So let's talk about the economy. So in terms of the economy >> medicaid feeds into the economy. in terms of the Sure. But we're talking about specifically the economy and I think we brought up tariffs and I think we bought so let's stick to that for the for >> really quickly when people don't have social safety nets they have to start digging into their savings and taking out credit >> I think he's I think he made it a little bit of a harder made fraud a little bit less prevalent to happen in let's talk about tariffs real quick because there's two arguments to the tariffs there's the national security part of tariffs and then there's the wealth of America tariffs >> which one you want to go for >> so let's go for national security so it's in the best interest that our number one adversary is responsible for the majority of vital things that we need. So for example, vitamin C is produced almost I think 90 plus% in China which China would be an adversary. Um steel is produced in large quantities in China. Uh drone parts which the military heavily relies on for military and private people as well rely on drone parts for industry or whatever that's also made in China. Do you think it's a good idea that Do you think it's going towards a golden age to get America less dependent on our adversaries who in theory hate us and are have been uh pulling military advances to threaten our >> No, what you're saying is true. What you're saying is true. >> But it's not going into the golden age. >> That is not what Trump is doing. So just to say >> that exactly is what Trump is doing. >> No, it is not at all. Really quickly, wait really quickly. Really quickly, you just said a lot of things. Really quickly, you're pointing out a good thing. Uh during COVID, a lot of our supply chain flaws were exposed heavily. We relied on other countries for certain technologies and certain masks and I think everyone realized oh [ __ ] wait a minute our supply chains are really just in other countries we need to reshore some stuff but when it comes to Trump's tariffs on China can you name me any indicators at bear that we have reshored what is it you were saying steel reshored any sort of this technology >> well the idea that we have 7 trill I think it's almost at 7 trillion I just debunked that number of >> yeah okay um >> so it's not trillion so there's almost 7 7 trillion come from a few countries. >> So I haven't even listed what the 7 trillion is about. So the Yeah. So the 6 trillion maybe almost >> 6 trillion. It's around 6 trillion and it's about 5 trillion. >> So it's well depending on 67 whatever. >> So my point is if you let me finish is that >> you want it. You just won right there. Sorry. >> There you go. My entire point is that you talk about manufacturing going down >> and it takes about cuz I work in government. It takes about um you know like two years at least in California to even go from groundbreaking to flat to ribbon cutting. So I mean in terms of manufacturing going down the way you look at manufacturing what's promised what's what's get what's what's been promised to be reinvested into America. So that's the my first entire >> do you think companies have any incentive to reshore manufacturing long term when these are all done by executive order and not actual binding trade deals gone through court Trump's tariff policy is to impact the future economic investment into the future whether they see the promise or not they've promised six almost 7 trillion6 trillion 67 trillion into the economy so >> do one more time >> in terms of national in terms of that I think it's a good idea that China is no longer holding us hostage economically. My second point to the second to the national intelligence is that the fact that we are in a almost trillion dollar trade deficit which deficits when you export when you uh import more than you export which is not a good thing. >> Would you say that >> you've been animated by the majority >> that was great that was fun. [applause] >> So, hi. It's good to meet you. >> Great to meet you. >> Martin, nice to meet you. Martin, I'm Adam. >> Perfect. So, what I want to talk about is because we already established kind of the golden age is is a wide range of time. Sure. More so talking about the time >> golden part. >> Well, yeah. I was saying for the age, we're talking about the this entire Trump presidency and really >> You think we're in a golden age like he claims? >> I think we're entering one. And I think that, you know, so what indicators are >> Yeah. So, what I want to talk about is more so talking about the biggest, you know, aspect of the Trump's economic presidency, which is the one big beautiful bill. >> Okay, that would be great. >> Yeah. So, I assume you're against the one big beautiful bill, correct? >> Um, yeah, certain parts of it. Sure. For sure. >> Okay. For sure. So I think the biggest part of it is the extension the 2017 tax cuts and jobs act. Are you pro against that? >> Um I mean that's fine but it depends on the context around it. So what Donald Trump did is permanently extend the tax cuts and jobs act tax cuts and that disproportionately benefits the richest of the rich but at the same time like I said like I said at the same time he cut social safety nets for people at the very very bottom. And you know what the tax cuts and jobs act says? By the way, really quickly, if you look it up, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act over the next few years will lead to hundreds of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of children losing free lunch at schools. While it also allows billionaires, it also allows billionaires to now write off private jets. Now, none of us in this room benefit from having a private jet. >> Let's touch on that. So, let's touch on the first part. You said that most of the tax cuts are are concentrated, you know, within the top 20 >> disproportionately. I wouldn't say most. Yeah. >> Well, sure. So 60% of the tax so 60% of income earners actually do get tax cuts under the one big beautiful bill under the extent of the tax cuts and jobs act. Specifically the median American family would have seen a tax hike of $1,800 a year should the tax cuts and jobs. >> And I'm glad they extended that. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> So like I said, the context matters when you're extending that, but you're removing social safety nets and allowing billionaires to write off private jets. Listen, we we people in this room will benefit a lot more from like kids getting free lunches than writing off private jets. I don't see anyone in this room social part though. So the bring the best the best example the left always brings up is cuts to Medicaid. You the actual like pro most prominent cut that that we made to Medicaid was instituting work requirements work requirements of 20 hours a week. >> They tried this exact thing in Arkansas and it kicked 18 the th,000 people off of their Medicaid. >> I would I would say that if someone isn't working then they shouldn't be getting healthare. >> But these were 18,000 people who had increased barriers to get Medicaid. And what happens is these people who are vulnerable already >> the barriers are seeking a job. No, no. It's not just it's not just that that it kicks people off because the barriers become so hard. People with jobs can still get it. But the problem is listen, >> what are the barriers though that are so hard? >> The problem is when it comes to this with the tax cuts and jobs act, sorry, with that the barriers for Medicaid, sorry, one second. >> No. Okay. So, like you said barriers, what what are the barriers that are so hard besides getting a job where you have to go work 20 hours a week? There's already there's already a qualification in there that if you're disabled, then that doesn't apply to you. I mean, what what are these barriers? The left always the left always speaks in these like just you know ab abstracts like it's actually like what are the barriers? >> The increased barriers are when people are vulnerable and already working part-time and then you cut them off of Medicaid. Yes, people can get Medicaid with this. But the problem is when 18,000 people like in Arkansas are kicked off of their Medicaid part. >> No, they the 18,000 people were kicked off of their Medicaid because they couldn't get access to it. What happens then is that they have to dig into their social safety. They have to dig in to their >> So how do they how they not get access then? But because the barriers are increased. >> What are the barriers? The only barrier you've listed the only barrier we talked about is work requirements and that's working 20 hours a week. >> Yeah. But it's the work requirements increasing is just Yeah, it's not. So wait, can you concede? >> So So we agree work requirements are a good thing. We we can find common ground. Can you concede that what the tax cuts and wait listen can you concede that what the tax cuts and jobs act does is it permanently in decreases taxes for the richest of the rich but then it also wait but it also temporarily gives no tax on tips. Do you know that part? >> Yeah the no tax on >> but that's only temporary. So what it does cut off on it cuz you always want to like test out wait a minute which is which reason why the original program had an expiration date. >> Wait wait wait let me bring this back. So the permanent tax cuts for the richest of the rich don't have an expiration date. Wait for because we ALREADY DID THAT. WE ALREADY HAD THE TRIAL PROGRAM. >> THEY don't have an expiration date, but you have an expiration date for the things that are going to help first time trial. >> Why is there an expiration date for the people who are the most vulnerable? >> It's a trial program and the tax cuts for everyone were were made permanent. Like I mean for everyone were made permanent. Why would you not make the tax cuts permanent? You know when they end? They end right as Trump's leaving office. So this is what it's like. It's like it's like waving a $100 bill in front of somebody's eyes while giving thousands of dollars to the rich >> early part. Can we can we can you concede again that work requirements are good medication? All right. Perfect. Awesome. So you support Donald Trump on that? No. Great to know. >> I don't support No. No. Listen. When you sat down, I said the context matters. The context of permanent tax cuts. Wait. Do you >> Okay. Actually, so let me ask if you could have it your way. If you could have it your way, would the no tax on tips be permanent or >> um if it works out then I want to make it. >> If you if you had it your way, would the no tax on tips be permanent now in the big beautiful bill? Or do you think that them expiring right as Trump leaves office is a good thing? >> I want to make sure that they work and then make them permanent. I want to make sure that we don't need to expand it. I want to actually have a, you know, a sound public policy. >> Why do you think Trump made them not permanent? I I've already said this three times. Because when you ever have a new program, you need to try it out. You have a trial period, which is why the 2017 TCJA had a cut off time. So, and let's talk about, you know, you bring up taxes on the richest Americans. So, I I assume you're, like I said, you're you're opposed to the Trump's tariffs. >> The Trump tariffs. Yeah. >> Okay. Why the Trump tariffs for a few reasons >> or just just tariffs in general? Why are you opposed to tariffs? >> I'm not opposed to tariffs in general. As I've said, there are ways to do targeted tariffs, but when Donald Trump got into office, he placed tariff on every single country except for North Korea and Russia. I find that pretty weird. But listen, listen. I want to ask you after 9 months I want to make. So, we're talking about, you know, cutting taxes for the richest Americans and all Americans. The reason why that's actually a good thing is because you want people investing more money, especially right now when we're seeing an AI revolution, which is about to make our country exponentially. You understand? Wait, let me let me make this point why the House Republicans and President Trump have actually not going to grow. >> I got to make this point. Tariffs are a regressive tax on the people who earn the lowest. Well, so right now, >> all a tariff is a sales tax. That's literally all it's a sales tax on foreign goods. >> Listen, lowincome earners necessarily spend more of their income on consumption, right? So when you're spending more of your income on consumer goods, you are going to be hit by these taxes harder. Meanwhile, the richest of the rich are getting tax cuts, are getting all >> paying tax. >> The richest of the rich are disproportionately benefiting from this. So even even tax project that that the 2017 tax and jobs act being extended will put more money in will take out. >> No, that is not true. Absolutely. Can you concede that lower income earners are disproportionately benefited by the regressive tariffs? >> One more time. So lower income earners necessarily spend a lot >> bring jobs back. They're going to be disproportionate. >> When are they going to bring jobs back? Jobs have been >> tariffs take a while to kick in effect. You need to have trade deals. You need to have the tariffs actually foreign goods. We've we've done with the UK. We've done some with the EU. We're working on some with India. >> Are these actually papered up? >> I mean it takes more than 3 months to negotiate a massive trade deal. >> Donald Trump said 90 deals in 90 days. What do you mean it takes more than 3 months? How many of you going to have it like that? Time out. >> You got me. That was a good one. That was really good. Thank you. >> YOU GOT ME. [applause] MY next claim is children are safer with the average illegal immigrant than with Donald Trump. >> Hi, I'm >> Nice to meet you. I'm Adam. >> I would actually like to hear what you have to say about it. >> That'd be great. So when you look at the statistics, there's a study done by PNAS in Texas that shows that undocumented immigrants are two times less likely to commit violent. Let me finish. Two times less likely to commit crimes than nativeorn citizens. 2.5 times less likely to commit property or drug crimes than nativeorn citizens. Four times less likely to commit property crimes. Meanwhile, Donald Trump has been held liable for sexual assault. Donald Trump has had 34 felonies. Donald Trump is best friends with prolific trafficker sex trafficker Jeffrey Epste. So >> well um I just have a few questions for you. So um I would really like to know how come 60% of them that come in commit a crime or they have the intention to commit a crime and how that is not true. >> That is true. >> What's your What's your study? >> Um I believe it was in two articles. I learned it in my college class. >> Do you think who do you think commits more crimes? The average US citizen or the average undocumented immigrant? I mean violent crime >> undocumented. So we wouldn't know. >> Violent crimes. We actually wouldn't know who they are and we don't we have no idea who these people are coming into our country. >> Texas did a comprehensive study >> but there's no background check on them. They don't exist in this country. So we have no idea who they are. We have >> the burden of proof would be on >> They're just allowed to come in here. Do you understand what sanctuary cities are? They're allowed to just come in here and they get everything for free. >> Okay. Can I ask you a question? >> Sure. >> So just imagine you had a daughter. Let's run a thought experiment. You had a daughter and you're about to bring her over to your her friend's house. As you're driving your daughter over to her friend's house, you learn at the last minute that her father had not only been sexually assaulted or civily liable for sexual abuse, his father her father also at the same time, sorry, let me restart that. >> Um, >> one second. Imagine you're taking your daughter over to her friend's house and as you're going over there, you learn that her friend's father had been held civily liable of sexual abuse. He was best friends with prolific sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and had said that he could just walk in on girls in dressing rooms like he did in the Howard Stern show. Would you let your daughter go over to that person's house? >> The chances would be actually this actually the same because I wouldn't know who those people are, the undocumented immigrants. >> No. Would you would you bring your daughter over to that person's house? >> Um, I don't think so. >> Okay. Because that describes Donald Trump perfectly. >> I would never bring my daughter to a house that I don't even know who the parents are. I don't know where they come from. I don't know whether >> average undocumented immigrant commits lower crimes than Donald Trump. There's no statistics on that because they're undocumented. There are statistics on this. Where are they coming from? Where are they coming from? Do you know do you know their past life? Do you know? >> Wait, so when a crime you know where where in what country track of them? No, you don't. Because they don't take any of that data when they come here. You slap a name on them and they allow them. >> You realize when a violent crime when a violent crime is committed, it's likely time they're let go because they're undocumented. So it doesn't go on any criminal record. So those statistics are actually very very smear. >> You were trying to say that most people are let go for violent crimes. That's not true. Let me finish. When a violent crime occurs, somebody necessarily likely reported, right? So when it's reported, that goes into the overall stats. When they do the arrests, when they do the arrests, it shows that undocumented immigrants are way less likely to be arrested >> because they are not being caught. They are not being documented. They are undocumented immigrants. They are illegal. They're committing a crime by being here. The burden of proof would be on you to prove that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at two times higher >> rates and they went through the legal process of becoming a US citizen. Then they would be able to prove if they're a criminal or not because they would have a background check. But these people are coming in here undocumented with no way to prove that. >> Can I have can I ask you a question? >> Absolutely. >> If somebody were held civily liable of sexual abuse, would you let them immigrate into the country legally? >> Uh no. But we don't know that because >> Donald Trump was held civily liable of sexual abuse and you're okay with him being the president held accountable for that or not BECAUSE THERE'S NO RECORD of a major problem here that you're denying all of Trump's all of Trump's Jeffrey you've been eliminated by the group. >> That was good. Thank you. >> Awesome. >> That was really good. >> Sprinted there. >> Nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you as well. Appreciate you being out here going against all of us. Of course. So explain to me more of what you're trying to say. Are you trying to say that Trump's like an evil man or >> No, no, no. So there's a massive problem with Donald Trump when it relates to power dynamics. Throughout his entire career, this is a man who has abused power dynamics every step of the way. On the Howard Stern show, he one time said that he walks into dressing rooms of people changing because he owns the beauty pageant and they they no one says anything. You think that's bad, right? >> Donald Trump als Yeah. Donald Trump also said he grabs women by the [ __ ] because they let them do it. You can that happened, right? Yes. >> So then he was also asked in a deposition a few years later, do you consider yourself a star? And he said, I'll consider myself a star. So he's basically conceding right there that he's a star who can do it. So my point is Donald Trump throughout the years has abused his power dynamics by not only walking into girls in dressing rooms, but also being best friends with Jeffrey Epstein, sending Jeffrey Epstein letters while Jeffrey Epste is at the peak of his sex trafficking. Meanwhile, the average undocumented immigrant doesn't have any power to abuse. Yes, there are crimes committed by undocumented immigrants. coming to the country illegally is a crime, but when we're talking about sexual crimes on the outer edges and by the statistics, Donald Trump is way more likely to commit one. >> So [clears throat] that's your claim. So >> first and foremost, we got to talk about So you're for immigration, >> illegal immigration. >> I I am all on the same page with you. >> Hell yeah. >> Of course. So I'm I'm glad that we do agree on this other aspect that we don't like men in dressing rooms, right? I'm glad we do agree on that, but >> No, of course I don't. Wait, why would I? Right. That's a whole different thing with the trans woman >> climb. Can you claim it's kind Can you just say it's kind of weird that the president of United States has bragged repeatedly about grabbing women because they let you do it or >> Okay. Another important thing to keep in mind is that when did Trump do all these things that he's being accused of? Was he a Republican or was he a known Democrat? >> Does his ideology matter? >> I think it does because it shows you who you're surrounded around around can affect your decision. Now I'm not saying you I'm saying like Trump at the time he was 68 years a Democrat. You want to talk about who we're surrounded by? The Republican party is literally covering up Jeffrey Epstein. The Republican party is covering up Matt G. Do you remember when Matt Gates was being investigated because he had Venmoed 17-year-old girls? Do you remember this? And then Speaker of the House Mike Johnson refused to allow information to come out. And then the Epstein case, Speaker of the House Mike Johnson refuses to allow stuff to come out. So, it's kind of weird to me that you guys want to sometime, not you, but people try to paint every undocumented immigrant as some violent sex offender when the president of the United States is. >> That's the thing we don't know about these undocumented immigrants. You see, my stance is we need legal immigration. I agree. >> I I'm glad we agree on that. >> Can I ask you, would you let your daughter go over to her friend's house if the scenario that I laid out earlier existed? >> I wouldn't want her around. But here's the thing. Trump, if he was truly what they're claiming he is to be, why does his granddaughters love him? Why do his children love him? Right? You would assume if he has those tendencies, he would like hopefully not, but sad situation is pedophiles do that. He's said a lot of weird things about his own daughter, but even if I were to concede that he treats his own children well, what about Virginia, who was groomed out of his Mara Lago spa? I'm sure no one in this room would want their daughter to be in the Mara Lago spa in the early 2000s where Jeffrey Epste was grooming women out. So, when you look at statistics and you look at the proportions, you are much much safer with the average undocumented immigrant than with Donald Trump, Mr. Mara Lago, sex trafficker. So, you've been eliminated by the >> I appreciate you. Hey, nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you as well. >> Okay, so the first thing I want to say is you mentioned Howard Stern. Um, I think there's some really important context to note when we talk about Howard Stern, which is that show was in the early 2000s. They always tried to egg their guests o