Andrew Wilson Caught in Multiple Lies During Candace Owens Debate on Charlie Kirk Case

[00:00] Charlie responded with this: "Okay,

[00:01] great. Remind them that they are there

[00:05] for one person's security only

[00:07] because I'm somewhat worried the left is

[00:10] trying to kill me."

[00:12] That was a message sent September 9th.

[00:17] >> But he was not messaging people the day

[00:20] before saying, "I'm going to be

[00:22] murdered. They're coming after me.

[00:24] Someone's going to kill me." You know,

[00:26] he didn't say that.

[00:28] And I have his cell phone.

[00:31] >> And Andrew Wilson, if if you look at it

[00:34] with an objective mind that

[00:36] quote-unquote debate, it wasn't a

[00:37] debate. It was more of an argument

[00:40] because he kept interrupting her. It was

[00:41] like he was arguing with her instead of

[00:43] debating her. And he had to do that

[00:45] because he didn't have a leg to stand

[00:47] on.

[00:48] And so that's his great debate tactics.

[00:51] If you noticed, his debate tactics was

[00:53] to deflect and then did and then pivot

[00:56] to something else and distract from the

[00:59] actual issue that they were talking

[01:01] about. He did that through the whole

[01:02] thing and he just kept interrupting and

[01:03] hectoring.

[01:05] And I I it was clear to me that that was

[01:07] his big debate tactic was to interrupt,

[01:09] hector, and he's great. He's really His

[01:12] real talent is to deflect from what

[01:15] you're supposed to be talking about and

[01:16] to something else.

[01:18] And to put the onus on you.

[01:20] And so let's remember the onus isn't on

[01:23] was never on Candace

[01:26] to present a theory of who killed

[01:30] uh Charlie Kirk.

[01:32] The onus is on him because he believes

[01:36] in the narrative

[01:37] that the FBI had That's what he's

[01:39] pushing.

[01:41] Now, what all Candace has to do is poke

[01:44] holes in that narrative to show that it

[01:46] doesn't make sense and that's why she's

[01:48] doing an investigation online to try to

[01:51] get evidence of who actually did it.

[01:54] So he tried to flip the burden of

[01:57] responsibility

[01:59] and I don't think she fell for it. At

[02:01] first, the first hour of the debate I

[02:03] hated it.

[02:05] Because it felt like they were getting

[02:06] caught up in minutia. Like they talked

[02:09] about his tweet where he said

[02:10] overwhelming evidence. It turns out that

[02:12] wasn't a bad thing to talk about because

[02:14] he said there's overwhelming evidence

[02:16] and then he said I'm 75% to 80 percent

[02:20] sure that it was him, which I think is

[02:22] the legal definition of reasonable

[02:24] doubt.

[02:25] So, that's not overwhelming.

[02:28] That is reasonable doubt. So, and he

[02:30] kept saying, "Well, that's well, what I

[02:32] conclude."

[02:34] That's not that's your that's like your

[02:36] opinion, man. That's not overwhelming

[02:38] evidence. Overwhelming evidence is 100%.

[02:42] And that anybody looking at it would

[02:44] conclude that. So, anyway

[02:46] uh I just wanted somebody uh who's this

[02:48] um

[02:50] uh GLM or some

[02:52] tweeted this out about his foot. Like

[02:53] you could tell that he was crapping his

[02:56] pants

[02:57] >> [laughter]

[02:57] >> the whole time cuz he knew he didn't

[02:59] know anything about the case almost. He

[03:01] knew very like he knew that Candace knew

[03:04] it backwards and forwards and he didn't.

[03:06] So, he reveals that he's a lazy debater.

[03:09] He didn't prepare and what his foot will

[03:12] tell you that.

[03:14] >> Oh, you got to pull in your

[03:16] Watch your ears, folks. Watch your ears.

[03:19] >> Is it on?

[03:22] >> Definitely not doing it all and be fine,

[03:23] right? But you still do.

[03:25] >> I would say that you are making a

[03:26] comparison that cannot be compared

[03:26] [laughter] because because Erica's

[03:28] husband was just assassinated in front

[03:30] of the world.

[03:31] >> Which makes sense. Why should we take

[03:32] the organization

[03:32] >> No, that it makes sense why you don't

[03:33] your kids. Just so you know.

[03:34] >> Wait a second. That's that's bizarre.

[03:35] >> So, that's what he did through the

[03:37] entire if you saw it, there it was 4

[03:40] hours. He did he did that uh probably

[03:43] for 3 and 1/2 hours straight.

[03:46] If you condensed all the times his foot

[03:47] was doing that

[03:48] >> Definitely not doing it all and be fine,

[03:49] right? But you still do.

[03:51] >> I [laughter] would say that you are

[03:52] making a comparison that cannot be

[03:53] compared because because Erica

[03:55] with

[03:56] >> And somebody tweeted out, "Dude, I'd

[03:57] like to play poker with you. I think I

[03:59] know your tell."

[04:01] >> [laughter]

[04:01] >> So, that was great.

[04:04] But, I I want to show you there's

[04:05] there's uh three glaring cases

[04:09] of how you know Andrew Wilson is a shill

[04:13] uh and didn't believe anything he was

[04:15] saying and that he's and he's saying

[04:17] this for money because he got paid by

[04:19] TPUSA minus the money they gave me to

[04:22] teach them to debate.

[04:25] I haven't received any money from TPUSA.

[04:28] Minus the money they gave me to teach

[04:30] them to debate.

[04:31] >> [laughter]

[04:33] >> I haven't been paid by TPUSA except for

[04:35] all the money they gave me

[04:38] under the guise of teaching them to

[04:40] debate.

[04:41] Hey, we're going to we're going to bribe

[04:42] you. We're going to give you some money

[04:44] to to go out and push this false

[04:46] narrative to try to discredit Candace

[04:48] Owens.

[04:49] And um

[04:50] we'll say that we're paying you to teach

[04:52] us to debate so it they can't really

[04:54] connect it to that we're paying you to

[04:56] give us a to go out and do a false

[04:58] narrative to try to discredit Candace

[04:59] Owens. How does that sound?

[05:03] And um of all the jamokes in the world

[05:06] >> [laughter]

[05:08] >> to try to get to bolster your case,

[05:11] Andrew Wilson is the last guy.

[05:13] He really got I I at first the first

[05:16] hour I was I was upset because he was

[05:18] distracting her and talking over her and

[05:21] and Patrick Bet-David who

[05:23] uh is a very strong character. I thought

[05:25] he would I thought he would moderate

[05:27] more. He should have stopped He should

[05:29] have stopped Andrew from interrupting

[05:31] constantly and said, "Hey, Andrew, let

[05:34] Candace speak and then you speak."

[05:35] That's you should have You know when you

[05:36] ever see people play chess

[05:38] and they have the timer? Like you you

[05:40] each get So, if it's going to be a

[05:42] 4-hour debate, you each get 2 hours and

[05:44] then when you talk, you hit yours and

[05:46] then when the other person wants to

[05:47] talk, they hit theirs, and nobody can

[05:49] talk at the same time. Just like chess

[05:51] players can't move it to their pieces at

[05:53] the same And that's how it should have

[05:55] been, and I was hoping that Patrick

[05:56] Bet-David would say, "Hey Andrew, stop

[05:58] to Woah, woah, if you don't let her talk

[06:00] and you keep interrupting her and

[06:01] heckling her, then it's not a debate,

[06:04] it's an argument. It's we're watching

[06:06] two people argue."

[06:08] Which is what most of it was because he

[06:10] kept interrupting and heckling her and

[06:12] trying to distract from what Candace

[06:14] actually was trying to say. So, I'm

[06:15] going to show you three instances

[06:18] that completely reveal Andrew Wilson to

[06:22] be A, a horrible debater, and B, a

[06:24] shill.

[06:26] Cuz he contradicts himself, tells

[06:27] blatant lies, and then gets caught not

[06:30] knowing anything about the topic he's

[06:32] debating.

[06:33] So, the first one is this. So, he came

[06:35] on

[06:36] and he claimed to have a text that

[06:40] Charlie Kirk gave the night before he

[06:43] was killed that he said the leftists

[06:46] were trying to kill him.

[06:48] And I'm going to show you immediately

[06:50] why this is a lie, but let's watch.

[06:53] >> I'll share the message with you today,

[06:55] which is the first time this

[06:56] information's ever been publicly

[06:57] revealed.

[06:59] On

[06:59] >> So, according to him, TPUSA has been

[07:02] sitting on this text message

[07:05] not the text message where he's he said

[07:07] he had to leave the Israel cause

[07:11] and that the Jewish donors play into all

[07:12] the stereotypes and he won't be bullied

[07:15] and he can no longer support the Israel

[07:17] cause. No, not that one. They let that

[07:19] one out, but this one they kept hidden

[07:21] up until almost a year later for some

[07:24] reason until Dil Wad's shill

[07:27] decided to go and debate Candace Owens.

[07:30] So, he's lying about this and I'll prove

[07:33] it to you, but let's watch. So, this is

[07:35] this is the {quote} {unquote}

[07:37] text he claims he got from TPUSA

[07:41] to uh that was on Charlie's phone.

[07:44] Ready? Here we go.

[07:45] >> I share the message with you today,

[07:47] which is the first time this

[07:48] information's ever been publicly

[07:49] revealed.

[07:51] On September 9th, Charlie's security

[07:52] team wrote to him, "Yes, law enforcement

[07:55] has been fully supportive and agreed to

[07:57] security plan and posture. Mar Liz event

[08:00] will be covered by both my team and the

[08:01] campus PD.

[08:03] If additional support is required,

[08:04] patrol units will be available. I have

[08:06] 11 on site."

[08:08] Charlie responded with this, "Okay,

[08:09] great.

[08:10] Remind them

[08:12] that they are there for one person's

[08:14] security only

[08:15] because I'm somewhat worried the left is

[08:18] trying to kill me."

[08:20] That was a message sent September 9th.

[08:26] >> Okay, uh so Timmy, why do you say that

[08:28] he's lying about that?

[08:30] Well, because Erika Kirk

[08:34] completely contradicted him

[08:36] uh

[08:37] when she went on Glenn Beck's show

[08:39] right after the the assassination. So,

[08:43] uh I think uh who put this together?

[08:46] Uh

[08:48] Dissident Media put this together. So,

[08:50] watch this and hang on to your as here

[08:53] we go.

[08:54] >> Charlie responded with this, "Okay,

[08:55] great.

[08:56] Remind them

[08:58] that they are there for one person's

[09:00] security only

[09:01] because I'm somewhat worried the left is

[09:04] trying to kill me."

[09:06] That was a message sent September 9th.

[09:11] >> September 9th.

[09:13] The day before he was murdered.

[09:15] He was texting people he was afraid he's

[09:17] going to get murdered by the left. Well,

[09:20] according to Erika Kirk, who has his

[09:22] phone, she says this.

[09:24] >> But he was not messaging people the day

[09:27] before saying, "I'm going to be

[09:29] murdered. They're coming after me.

[09:31] Someone's going to kill me." He didn't

[09:34] He didn't say that.

[09:35] And I have his cell phone.

[09:39] >> I guess I guess

[09:42] King

[09:44] didn't know that she said that. And

[09:46] nobody at TPUSA told him,

[09:49] "Hey, don't pretend to have these texts

[09:51] because Erica already said that she had

[09:54] his phone and he wasn't texting people

[09:56] the day before that he was afraid he was

[09:58] going to get murdered." You want to

[09:59] watch this again cuz this is awesome.

[10:00] >> responded with this, "Okay, great.

[10:02] Remind them that they are there for one

[10:05] person's security only

[10:07] because I'm somewhat worried the left is

[10:10] trying to kill me."

[10:12] That was a message sent September 9th.

[10:17] >> But he was not messaging people the day

[10:20] before saying, "I'm going to be

[10:22] murdered. They're coming after me.

[10:24] Someone's going to kill me." He didn't

[10:26] He didn't say that.

[10:27] >> And I have his cell phone.

[10:29] Yeah.

[10:32] >> So, it just blew up in their face. So,

[10:34] the whole

[10:36] the whole mission of TPUSA

[10:39] sending master debater Andrew Wilson,

[10:42] >> [laughter]

[10:43] >> who is not a master debater. He's If you

[10:45] saw that thing, he's a He's a master at

[10:47] deflection, distraction,

[10:49] hectoring,

[10:51] and uh

[10:53] uh deflection.

[10:54] He's He's not a master debater. He's

[10:56] not.

[10:58] And that proves it. And that proves how

[11:00] lazy he was

[11:02] in getting prepared for this debate.

[11:04] There's another clip that shows that,

[11:06] too.

[11:08] But he was then but before And I'll show

[11:10] you that in a second, but the the next

[11:11] thing I want to show you related to this

[11:13] clip

[11:14] is in his opening statement,

[11:17] he said this.

[11:19] >> words.

[11:20] They don't have evidence. They seem to

[11:22] just make up evidence. And what did they

[11:24] make up? Well, in my opinion, kind of

[11:26] whatever lined the pockets.

[11:29] And I think it's ghoulish to profit off

[11:32] of the death of a good man.

[11:35] >> He's saying his opponents make up stuff

[11:39] whatever lines their pockets, whatever

[11:41] makes them money, and he thinks it's

[11:43] ghoulish to profit off the death of a

[11:46] good man.

[11:48] So now remember that text message he he

[11:50] pretended that Charlie Kirk sent the

[11:53] night before he died that Erica Kirk

[11:55] said he didn't?

[11:57] Well, boy you think they would have

[11:58] coordinated a little better. How bad is

[12:00] TPUSA at public relations? You think

[12:03] they would have coordinated a little

[12:04] better on this? But now he's asked to

[12:07] show that text. Hey, you you're reading

[12:09] it off your phone, can we see it to make

[12:12] sure it's real?

[12:14] And here's what he says.

[12:16] >> As I think that's important for the

[12:17] public. You shared it out of context.

[12:19] >> I'll do it on my show. I'll share the

[12:22] the text.

[12:22] >> So you're going to read it on my show

[12:23] but not show it?

[12:24] >> Correct.

[12:25] I'll show it on my show, but that's

[12:28] that's what I'll do. I'll show it on my

[12:29] >> Can I ask why?

[12:30] >> Well, because I want to drip out the

[12:33] evidence, you know? It's that's got to

[12:35] drip out that evidence, keep people

[12:37] coming back for the show, right?

[12:41] >> So he wants to use the text

[12:44] of Charlie Kirk saying he was going to

[12:46] get murdered so he could get views on

[12:49] his show, which means make money off the

[12:52] death of a good man. Let's remind you

[12:54] what he just said.

[12:56] >> And I think it's ghoulish to profit off

[13:00] of the death of a good man.

[13:03] >> But here he is admitting

[13:05] he's going to profit off the death of a

[13:07] good man.

[13:09] And he didn't show it, by the way,

[13:12] because it's made up.

[13:15] But let's watch it again. Let's watch

[13:16] him completely contradict himself.

[13:19] >> As I think that's important for the

[13:20] public. You shared it out of context.

[13:22] >> I'll do it on my show. I'll share the

[13:24] the text.

[13:24] >> So So going to read it on my show but

[13:26] not show it?

[13:27] >> Correct.

[13:28] >> Okay.

[13:28] >> I'll show it on my show, but that's

[13:30] that's what I'll do. I'll show it on my

[13:32] >> Can I ask why?

[13:33] >> Well, because I want to

[13:35] drip out the evidence, you know? It's

[13:37] It's got to drip out that evidence. Keep

[13:39] people coming back for the show, right?

[13:41] >> I don't know if

[13:48] >> Do you how much more evidence do you

[13:49] need to know that this guy is low IQ,

[13:52] a bad debater,

[13:54] and a lazy preparer? He didn't prepare.

[13:58] And a liar, cuz that shows he's a liar.

[14:03] Erica Kirk caught caught 100% So, either

[14:06] Erica Kirk is lying or he's lying.

[14:09] Put it that way.

[14:12] And then Candace

[14:14] figured it out right away.

[14:17] >> about that evidence. Keep people coming

[14:19] back for the show.

[14:20] >> And then Candace says

[14:21] >> Right.

[14:22] >> I don't know if snark serves you so

[14:23] well.

[14:25] >> [laughter]

[14:30] >> And it would have been nice if she had

[14:32] caught that in real time. Like, "Hey,

[14:33] didn't you say in your opening that it's

[14:34] ghoulish to profit off the death of a

[14:36] good man?"

[14:39] But here you are saying you're going to

[14:40] profit you're you're not going to show

[14:42] us this because you want to use Charlie

[14:43] Kirk's

[14:44] apparent text the night before he died

[14:47] saying he was going to get murdered. You

[14:49] want to use that so you can profit off

[14:51] the death of a good man. So, okay. So,

[14:54] Now, uh let's see I let me see what this

[14:56] is.

[14:58] Okay. So, uh I

[15:02] This goes to show you how little he

[15:04] actually knows about the case.

[15:07] How little he prepared for this debate,

[15:10] which was actually more of an argument

[15:12] because he kept hectoring her,

[15:14] interrupting her, and tried to to

[15:15] distract her and control the

[15:17] conversation.

[15:18] And he was trying to bully her, and she

[15:20] would not be bullied.

[15:22] Which was great.

[15:23] And so let's watch this this this shows

[15:26] you exactly what Candace says that you

[15:29] don't really care about this and you

[15:31] don't really know anything about it.

[15:32] Let's watch.

[15:33] >> Yeah, I'm fine with closings if you want

[15:34] to do closings.

[15:35] >> Well, I also would just if if I may ask

[15:37] a question, which one of the charges

[15:41] against or or all of them do you think

[15:43] Tyler Robinson is guilty of?

[15:46] >> Um the specific charge?

[15:49] >> Specific charge? Is there a difference

[15:51] between the charge and a specific

[15:53] charge? You mean the thing I don't know?

[15:57] And by the way, he had his hand out at

[15:59] his face the whole time and his foot was

[16:00] going a million miles an hour which are

[16:03] tells

[16:04] that he's nervous and

[16:06] and crapping his pants.

[16:08] And then he makes up stuff like you mean

[16:10] the specific charge?

[16:13] Cuz he knows he doesn't know.

[16:16] And so let's watch.

[16:18] >> Yeah, I'm fine with closings if you want

[16:20] to do closings.

[16:20] >> Well, I'd also would just if if I may

[16:22] ask a question, which one of the charges

[16:26] against or or all of them do you think

[16:29] Tyler Robinson is guilty of?

[16:31] >> Um the specific charge?

[16:34] >> [laughter]

[16:34] >> Yeah.

[16:34] >> Yeah, so I think what I think is that

[16:38] um

[16:39] Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk.

[16:41] >> Yeah, that's not a charge. That's not a

[16:43] specific charge. That's not a vague

[16:45] charge. That's not a charge.

[16:48] And Candace calls him out.

[16:50] >> Yeah, but of the seven charges that he's

[16:52] he's being charged

[16:53] >> Yeah, can we list them real quick? I'll

[16:54] tell you exactly which ones. We'll pull

[16:56] them up.

[16:56] >> Well, do do you know any of the charges

[16:58] he's he's up for right now?

[17:00] >> Yeah, of course, but I want to make sure

[17:01] >> Yeah, of course I do.

[17:02] >> Sure.

[17:03] >> So he's lying cuz he doesn't know any of

[17:06] them.

[17:07] He doesn't know any of them. He didn't

[17:10] read the char- the the charging

[17:12] documents. Didn't read them.

[17:15] And she catches him. Watch this. And

[17:17] then watch him try to

[17:19] hit This is This is what makes him a

[17:20] great debater is you're going to see

[17:22] that he he's good at trying to deflect,

[17:26] distract, and pivot, and change the

[17:28] subject, and put the onus back on the

[17:31] person even after he's been exposed as

[17:33] not knowing anything. That watch This

[17:35] all happens right now. Watch.

[17:37] >> But do we have them listed?

[17:38] >> Yeah, but like that's Can you name one?

[17:41] Because my my general perspective is

[17:42] that you don't actually care about this

[17:43] case. You're not following the case.

[17:45] >> That's the That's the question. You're

[17:47] just not following

[17:47] >> And he's trying to laugh it off because

[17:50] guess what that is. He knows it's true

[17:53] that he doesn't actually care about the

[17:55] case or know anything about it, and

[17:57] she's going to expose it.

[17:58] >> It seems It seems pretty like if you're

[18:00] going to engage and you're going to say

[18:01] the evidence is overwhelming that Tyler

[18:03] Robinson is guilty, I just think that

[18:05] you should like Can you tell me one

[18:07] >> Then let's do the counter.

[18:08] You can really Yeah, hang on. This is a

[18:09] great gotcha.

[18:10] >> You just got to ask me play clips out of

[18:12] context, put me in the hot seat. So,

[18:14] please just answer the question.

[18:15] >> Can you

[18:15] name all seven since you've been

[18:17] following the case?

[18:18] >> So, do you see how he tries to turn it

[18:20] back on her?

[18:21] Because he knows he doesn't know.

[18:24] So, he's like, "Okay, go ahead. Name all

[18:25] seven."

[18:26] No, no, no. She asked you if you knew.

[18:30] And he goes, "Okay, go ahead. Name all

[18:32] seven." Do you see So, that's That's

[18:33] where he becomes That's his skill as a

[18:36] debater. Not to actually debate facts

[18:39] and win, but his skill is to deflect,

[18:42] pivot,

[18:44] distract, and try to control, and turn

[18:46] it back on the other person.

[18:48] But she doesn't fall for it. Let's

[18:51] watch.

[18:51] >> Okay, sure. You name You name one.

[18:53] >> Yeah, you name all seven.

[18:54] >> I'm happy to do that, but can you name

[18:56] one?

[18:56] >> I think he's I think he's been charged

[18:58] with murder.

[18:59] >> That's actually incorrect.

[18:59] >> Okay, great. Now, name all seven.

[19:02] >> So, she just exposed that he doesn't

[19:04] know any of them.

[19:06] And he tries to very quickly This is his

[19:08] debate tactic. Tries to Okay,

[19:10] so go

[19:11] big Okay, now you name all seven.

[19:14] Whoa, whoa. She just exposed You just

[19:17] admitted revealed that you don't know

[19:19] any of them, which is what she said,

[19:22] which actually proves her point that you

[19:25] don't actually care about this case,

[19:27] that you're doing this for money,

[19:29] that you're a shill because you got paid

[19:31] by TPUSA

[19:33] to take their point of view and try to

[19:34] discredit Candace Owens. That's what

[19:37] just got revealed 100%

[19:40] right there.

[19:41] And he doesn't want it He doesn't He's

[19:43] trying to

[19:44] uh distract you from what just happened

[19:46] and trying to put it back on her. That's

[19:48] his great debate master debating

[19:50] technique, and she sees right through

[19:52] it.

[19:53] Now, let's watch.

[19:55] >> Doesn't even This is like

[19:56] >> Name all seven.

[19:57] >> And and and I I I can't I can't

[19:58] >> all seven?

[19:59] >> I I can't.

[20:00] >> Then do it.

[20:01] >> The first charge is aggravated murder

[20:02] because that's what carries the death

[20:04] sentence in the state of Utah. No,

[20:05] that's not That is literally

[20:06] >> Murder.

[20:07] >> So, he goes, "Okay, murder." Like I

[20:08] said, "No."

[20:09] Murder and aggravated murder are two

[20:12] totally separate charges. Ask Go ahead,

[20:16] ask Chat Chat GPT or Grok. Ask any any

[20:20] of them say, "Is murder and aggravated

[20:22] murder the same charge? Why do they

[20:24] separate them?" And they will tell you

[20:26] because those are totally different.

[20:28] One is a death penalty, and one is could

[20:32] be 50 could be just 15 years in prison.

[20:34] Those are two totally different charges.

[20:36] Murder and aggravated murder are two

[20:39] totally different charges, but you see

[20:41] his He's trying to bully her. That's

[20:43] what he's good at, trying to bully

[20:44] women, talk over them, distract, pivot,

[20:48] and deflect, which is what he's doing.

[20:51] So, I'll play it from the top, and then

[20:52] I'll let it go all the way through, and

[20:54] watch Candace Owens completely expose

[20:57] him and humiliate him.

[21:00] >> Yeah, I'm fine with closings if you want

[21:02] to do closings.

[21:02] >> What? I also would just if if I may ask

[21:05] a question, which one of the charges

[21:09] against or or all of them, do you think

[21:11] Tyler Robinson is guilty of?

[21:13] >> Um, the specific charge?

[21:16] >> [laughter]

[21:16] >> Yeah.

[21:17] >> Yeah, so I think what I think is that

[21:21] um,

[21:21] Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk.

[21:24] >> Yeah, but of the seven charges that he's

[21:26] he's being charged

[21:27] >> Yeah, can we list them real quick? I'll

[21:28] tell you exactly which ones.

[21:29] >> [laughter]

[21:29] >> We'll pull them up.

[21:30] >> Well, do you do you know any of the

[21:31] charges he's he's up for right now?

[21:33] >> Yeah, of course, but I want to read

[21:35] them. I have them listed.

[21:36] >> Yeah, but but like that's can you name

[21:38] one because my my general perspective is

[21:40] that you don't actually care about this

[21:41] case, you're not following the case.

[21:42] >> That's the that's the question. You're

[21:44] just not following it enough.

[21:45] >> seems pretty like if you're going to

[21:47] engage and you're going to say the

[21:48] evidence is overwhelming that Tyler

[21:49] Robinson is guilty, I just think that

[21:52] you should like can you tell me one

[21:53] >> Then let's do the counter.

[21:55] You can really Hang on, this is a great

[21:56] gotcha.

[21:57] >> you just got to ask me play clips put me

[21:59] in the hot seat, so please just answer

[22:01] the question.

[22:02] >> Name all seven since you've been

[22:03] following the case.

[22:05] >> Okay, sure. You name you name one.

[22:07] >> Yeah, you name all seven.

[22:08] >> I'm happy to do that, but can you name

[22:09] one?

[22:09] >> Uh, I think he's I think he's been

[22:11] charged with murder.

[22:12] >> Nope.

[22:12] >> That's actually incorrect.

[22:13] >> Okay, great. Now, name all seven.

[22:15] >> He doesn't even This is like

[22:16] >> Name all seven.

[22:17] >> And and and I I think that

[22:18] >> all seven?

[22:19] >> Now, it would have been great had PBD,

[22:21] Patrick Bet-David, said, "Hey, hey, hey,

[22:22] hold on, Andrew. Let her talk."

[22:26] But he didn't. And so then it became

[22:27] just an argument and a guy

[22:29] hectoring and trying to bully, but she

[22:31] still rises above it. Let's watch.

[22:33] >> I can't.

[22:33] >> Then do it.

[22:34] >> The first charge is aggravated murder

[22:36] because that's what carries a death

[22:37] sentence in the state of Utah. No,

[22:38] that's not that is literally not murder.

[22:40] The second charge is the felony

[22:43] discharge of a weapon.

[22:45] >> Oh, wait a minute. This is the wrong

[22:46] Okay, oh, let me go here.

[22:48] The question. You're just not following

[22:50] it enough.

[22:50] >> pretty like if you're going to engage

[22:52] and you're going to say the evidence is

[22:53] overwhelming that Tyler Robinson is

[22:55] guilty, I just think that you should

[22:57] like can you tell me one

[22:58] >> Then let's do the counter.

[23:00] You can really Hang on, this is a great

[23:01] gotcha.

[23:01] >> you just got to ask me play clips out of

[23:03] context, put me in the hot seat, so

[23:05] please just answer the

[23:06] >> This is fair. Can you name all seven

[23:08] since you've been following the case?

[23:09] >> Okay, sure. You name You name one.

[23:11] >> Yeah, you name all seven.

[23:12] >> I'm happy to do that, but can you name

[23:14] one?

[23:14] >> I think he's I think he's been charged

[23:16] with murder.

[23:17] >> That's actually incorrect.

[23:18] >> Okay, great. Now name all seven.

[23:19] >> He doesn't [laughter] even This is like

[23:21] >> Name all seven.

[23:21] >> And and and I I I

[23:23] >> all seven?

[23:24] >> I can't.

[23:24] >> it.

[23:25] >> Sure, you don't have to put your

[23:26] >> Now do it. I'll count them. Go ahead.

[23:29] >> You don't have to put your fingers up. I

[23:30] can name them.

[23:30] >> on, name them.

[23:31] >> Yeah, sure.

[23:32] >> Uh the first charge is aggravated murder

[23:34] because that's what carries the death

[23:35] sentence in the state of Utah. No,

[23:36] that's not That is literally not murder.

[23:38] >> Okay.

[23:38] >> And so just for people No, don't I don't

[23:40] have to do it in a time limit. There's

[23:41] nothing going on. And just to explain to

[23:43] people the difference of why that really

[23:44] matters and shows that he doesn't

[23:45] actually care about this at all is

[23:47] because aggravated murder uh it's it's

[23:49] narrowly defined and because it carries

[23:51] a death sentence. I'm not I'm going to

[23:53] answer the question. I'm just going to

[23:54] recognize

[23:55] >> It would have been nice if PBD told him,

[23:56] "Hey, why don't you shut up?" She's

[23:58] making a point.

[24:00] But he did it, but anyway.

[24:02] >> Is that your strategy of thinking that

[24:03] people are intimidated when you try to

[24:04] put a time constraint doesn't work and

[24:05] you'll be better the next time you

[24:06] debate someone?

[24:07] >> got it. Give me Give me the other ones.

[24:09] >> If the more you cut me off, the longer

[24:10] I'll take. Do you want to just wait for

[24:12] me to finish of why that's a big

[24:13] difference so that people don't walk

[24:14] away?

[24:15] >> list the charges.

[24:16] >> Yeah, I'm going to

[24:17] >> No, I don't I don't want you to I don't

[24:19] I don't want to give you time to explain

[24:21] why I was 100% wrong about what I just

[24:24] said and reveal that I don't know

[24:26] anything about the case. That I don't

[24:28] No, no, I don't want you to do that. I

[24:29] want you to do what I want. So he's

[24:31] trying to bully her and control her

[24:33] and doesn't work.

[24:35] >> do that, you just don't get to pretend

[24:36] that there's a time constraint for me to

[24:37] do that.

[24:38] >> Well, how how long does it take you to

[24:39] list seven charges?

[24:40] >> cuz I I'm speaking. You just got to

[24:42] >> It sounds like you're just delaying it

[24:43] cuz you don't know them.

[24:44] >> I I know all seven of them and I'm going

[24:45] to say again cuz I you're going to get

[24:47] embarrassed. I you don't have to rush

[24:49] this. I'm also showing an example of a

[24:52] very flawed debate strategy. I actually

[24:54] am under no time constraint. I got one.

[24:56] Great. The second charge is the felony

[24:59] discharge of a weapon.

[25:01] Uh the next two charges are for

[25:04] obstruction of justice.

[25:05] >> Okay.

[25:06] >> The next two charges are for witness

[25:07] tam- tampering. And the final

[25:09] >> specific charges, though?

[25:11] >> That is them. Obstruction of justice,

[25:13] obstruction of justice, witness

[25:14] tampering, witness tampering.

[25:15] >> Okay, what and there's no other

[25:16] specifics to them?

[25:17] >> Well

[25:18] >> So, he's he's proving over and over he

[25:22] doesn't know what the charges are. What

[25:24] do you mean specific? Go ahead. What are

[25:25] the specific charges? Those are the

[25:27] specific charges. Those are the charges,

[25:30] specifically. And he's like, "Well, what

[25:32] are the specific ones?" Showing that he

[25:33] doesn't know what the charges are.

[25:37] How many more times can he show in this

[25:39] exchange that he doesn't know anything?

[25:43] This is like the fourth thing he's done

[25:44] now to show he doesn't know anything.

[25:46] Okay.

[25:47] >> We I can tell you why he's being charged

[25:49] with

[25:49] >> Just the the charges and then seven?

[25:50] >> Yeah, you see the bad thing is when you

[25:52] try to be an A-hole and it doesn't work.

[25:54] >> What's the seventh?

[25:54] >> The last charge is violence in front of

[25:57] a minor.

[25:58] >> Okay, got it. So, then he's being

[26:00] charged with murder. You just say

[26:01] aggravated murder.

[26:04] That's the distinction. You just want to

[26:06] >> It's a massive It's like you can't even

[26:07] You cannot say murder versus aggravated

[26:09] >> Got it. That's what he just All he can

[26:11] do is talk over her and try to pretend

[26:13] that she's not making a point that

[26:15] everybody can see, who knows anything

[26:17] about the case, is a huge point. Got it.

[26:20] Okay, got got it.

[26:22] Yeah, okay, I'm 100% wrong, but I'm

[26:24] talking over you and I'm trying to bully

[26:25] you to try to pretend like I'm actually

[26:27] in control.

[26:29] Master debater.

[26:31] >> Massive distinction.

[26:32] >> This gets to the entire crux of why him

[26:34] being up up for the death sentence. And

[26:37] I actually find the defense's filing

[26:41] about why this is not aggravated to be

[26:43] uh

[26:45] very compelling of why it's not

[26:46] aggravated murder. Actually, that the

[26:47] state was going to even try to pull this

[26:50] off, they should have charged him with

[26:51] just murder. Um, and then I do also

[26:54] again want to stress to audiences that

[26:57] that debate strategy is some sport. I

[26:59] think he thinks it's a blood sport. It's

[27:00] not. It's about being right and being

[27:02] principled when you're engaging and you

[27:04] can make mistakes. I make mistakes all

[27:06] the time, but at least be genuine in

[27:09] pretending that you care about this case

[27:10] enough to know one of the seven charges

[27:12] that are up against Tommy Robinson when

[27:13] you say the evidence is overwhelming

[27:15] that he's guilty. Um, if you would like

[27:17] to move to final statements, I'm fine. I

[27:19] want to make sure Andrew has had the

[27:20] time that he has requested.

[27:22] >> I think your team would like to pull up

[27:24] the seven charges that he just asked you

[27:25] about. If you guys want to pull that up

[27:27] just to confirm the seven you went

[27:29] through.

[27:31] Can you guys zoom in a little bit for

[27:32] the audience?

[27:33] >> Aggravated murder, felony discharge of a

[27:34] firearm, uh, obstruction of obstruction

[27:38] obstruction of justice, which is counts

[27:40] three and four, five and six, tampering

[27:41] with a witness,

[27:43] and count seven.

[27:44] >> violent offense

[27:44] >> offense in the presence of a minor.

[27:46] >> a child.

[27:46] >> Yeah.

[27:47] >> So, five, six, tampering witness, third

[27:49] degree felony. Now, I did notice

[27:51] something. I just was

[27:54] >> And so, he immediately his great master

[27:57] debate technique is to try to dis- pivot

[28:01] and distract from the fact that she just

[28:03] named all seven perfectly. He didn't

[28:06] know one of them.

[28:08] And he's try- Now he wants to quickly

[28:10] pivot.

[28:12] And let's watch.

[28:13] >> curious about if I'm just wondering

[28:16] when you pulled out your phone just

[28:17] before you asked that question, did

[28:18] somebody by chance text you that

[28:20] question?

[28:20] >> You can check my phone.

[28:21] >> I'm just curious.

[28:22] >> No, you can absolutely not. I did I have

[28:23] not had one communication.

[28:25] >> Okay. So, that's him trying to change

[28:26] the subject. Hey, look, I just got

[28:28] revealed for being a know-nothing.

[28:33] Candace just cleaned my clock.

[28:36] And now I'd like to change the subject.

[28:38] Let's change the subject. Did somebody

[28:39] text you that?

[28:41] And and then she and then she clobbers

[28:43] him again.

[28:44] >> A a person, not even my producers who

[28:47] are in there this whole time we were

[28:48] here. You want to check my phone? I'm

[28:49] happy to do it because you're just going

[28:51] to get double embarrassed. Where's my

[28:52] phone? You should be able to

[28:53] >> see it? I'm just curious here.

[28:54] >> You can literally do that. Here you go.

[28:56] PBD

[28:57] you're the moderator. Take it.

[28:59] >> Let's see.

[28:59] >> See if anyone was texted at all during

[29:01] this debate.

[29:03] >> All right.

[29:03] >> That about the violent charges or

[29:05] anything.

[29:07] >> I'm looking through this. Did you give

[29:08] me permission? So I'm looking at

[29:09] >> You have full permission to go through

[29:10] my phone. I don't need to cheat.

[29:12] >> last one has nothing to do with it. It's

[29:14] just a compliment. Mhm.

[29:16] >> I haven't even read my text messages so

[29:18] He's reading them.

[29:20] >> [laughter]

[29:20] >> You're okay. You gave me permission. I'm

[29:21] just going to read three up to 11:32 cuz

[29:23] after that I don't need to read it. Any

[29:25] other texts?

[29:26] Could have been Telegram. Could have

[29:27] been Signal.

[29:27] >> I have a Signal. You can check that,

[29:29] too.

[29:30] I only have Signal.

[29:31] Telegram I used in Russia. Uh and that

[29:33] was it. I downloaded it for Russia.

[29:35] >> Yeah. I don't I don't need to like I I

[29:37] deeply care about this case. I don't

[29:38] need to pretend to know stuff, but I

[29:39] don't know.

[29:39] >> about the case, I just, you know, I have

[29:42] My other question is about steakhouse

[29:43] receipt.

[29:45] >> Uh and my next question is I would like

[29:46] again, I'd like to change the subject

[29:48] again.

[29:50] I want to change the subject. I want to

[29:51] change the subject. I want to change the

[29:53] subject. I want to deflect. I want to uh

[29:55] distract. I want to bully. I want to

[29:57] interrupt. I want to hector.

[30:00] That's his great debate technique.

[30:03] So those would be the three instances

[30:05] that completely reveal him

[30:08] as being a charlatan.

[30:10] Uh I have one more clip. Um

[30:15] Candace wanted to ask him a question and

[30:17] he refused to even to to let her even

[30:19] ask him a question. Well, let's watch

[30:21] this. This was from um

[30:23] uh Sandy. She caught this. Let's watch.

[30:31] >> Okay. While they're looking for that, do

[30:33] you want to continue?

[30:33] >> Sure.

[30:34] Yeah. I I mean, can I ask the question?

[30:36] I know it's been or or can I ask a

[30:38] question? Are we

[30:39] >> Not really. We're just I'm just going to

[30:41] We're going to hold to the actual

[30:43] contract itself.

[30:44] >> The contract does does not say that you

[30:46] are allowed to to just question me

[30:49] without me being able to respond to you.

[30:51] >> I've never said you could respond.

[30:53] >> And And you've been able to respond to

[30:54] every question I've asked you. And by

[30:56] the way, the the other thing is is

[30:58] >> So, she said, "Can I just ask you a

[30:59] question?" And he said, "No."

[31:02] So, that So, again, that's just like a

[31:03] bonus clip from Sandy.

[31:07] Can I ask you a question? No.

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