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Candace Owens and Ray J Debate Transgenderism with Trans Woman Danielle Alexis
Candace Owens sits down with Ray J and trans woman Danielle Alexis for an honest conversation about gender identity, mental health, and the limits of self-identification. After Candace's controversial statements on Don Lemon's show, Ray J arranged this meeting to bridge the gap between opposing perspectives. The discussion tackles tough questions: Is transgenderism a mental disorder? Can someone be transracial? What's the difference between biological reality and lived identity? Danielle shares her two-decade journey from Perth, Australia, while Candace pushes back on the idea that feelings define reality. Despite fundamental disagreements, both sides engage with mutual respect in a rare example of civil discourse on one of today's most contentious issues.
The Setup: Why This Conversation Happened
Candace Owens begins by explaining the origin of this conversation. After appearing on Don Lemon's show where she stated that transgenderism is a mental disorder, Ray J reached out via Instagram. He felt Candace didn't have the full story and wanted to introduce her to someone who could provide a wider perspective. Candace agreed immediately, and they made it happen virtually overnight while she was in Los Angeles.
Ray J explains his motivation: his involvement with the trans community through television shows and personal relationships has educated him on new perspectives. He brought Danielle Alexis, a star on his new show "The Gworls Club" on the Zeus Network, because he felt her experience directly related to what Candace had said. Ray J emphasizes the importance of "bridging the gap" through education and open dialogue.
Danielle's Story: Growing Up Trans in Australia
Danielle introduces herself as being from Perth, Western Australia, which she describes as the most isolated city in the world. She explains that her trans experience dates back to age four, when she first verbalized feelings of being different to her mother. According to what her mother later told her, Danielle was comparing herself to her older sister and displaying certain characteristics that stood out.
Growing up in Perth 20 years ago, Danielle's journey was completely solitary. Her parents, who came from the country, had no knowledge about trans issues or the LGBTQ community. Everything Danielle saw on television was sensationalized and misrepresentative. She describes herself as a trailblazer for what she did because she was essentially the only one doing it for a while.
Danielle's parents divorced when she was six, with her mother remarrying. She maintained relationships with both biological parents and two step-parents. Her mother was always particularly close with her and acted as a listener, never shutting down what Danielle verbalized but also never pushing transition. Her father, described as a "very staunch Australian" like Crocodile Dundee, struggled more with communication but was ultimately accepting and understanding.
The Silence Years: Primary Through High School
Danielle reveals a crucial detail: after initially being open about her feelings, she completely internalized everything from late primary through all of high school. Once she realized at school that her feelings weren't "normal" and could lead to bullying, she never brought the topic up again to her family until after graduation.
Despite her silence, Danielle was consistently perceived as feminine by others. She describes being called "she" and "her" by strangers throughout her school years, not because she was actively presenting as trans, but because of her natural appearance and mannerisms. Even in a standard school uniform, people would greet groups she was in with "good morning, ladies." She emphasizes this was a visual response, not an act or performance.
Interestingly, Danielle notes that even gay boys in her school were treated differently than she was. The community seemed to instinctively recognize something different about her, treating the feminine gay boys as one category and her as "the she" – a distinction that matched her internal feelings even when she wasn't vocalizing them.
The Decision to Transition
Danielle vocalized her trans identity at 17 while attending Kingsway Christian College, a prestigious Christian school where her family had enrolled her so she could focus on her studies and graduate. Being around devout Christians, going to church, and doing Bible study during this time helped her clarify her feelings and what she needed to do.
In Australia, graduation falls when students turn 18, which is the legal age of majority. Danielle began her transition at 18, emphasizing this wasn't a snap decision but the culmination of over a decade of internal struggle. Her first surgery was breast augmentation at 19 and a half, followed years later by sex reassignment surgery (also called SRS, being post-op trans, sex change, or gender reassignment surgery).
Candace challenges Danielle on the breast augmentation choice, pointing out that choosing large breasts as the first step seems like someone playing dress-up rather than someone who genuinely understands womanhood. Danielle admits this is a fair criticism – she later realized she had hormone-induced breast growth equivalent to a B cup and didn't actually need the augmentation. She acknowledges this was about aesthetics and what she thought would make her "more beautiful" rather than a necessity.
The Mental Disorder Debate
Candace presses the fundamental question: Is transgenderism a mental disorder? She compares it to her own experience with anorexia, which she openly identifies as having been a mental disorder. She argues that acknowledging something as a mental disorder isn't an attack – it's simply recognizing when someone's mental state is "out of order."
Danielle counters by citing the American Psychiatric Association (APA), which states that being transgender is not a mental disorder. According to the APA and World Health Organization, what exists is gender dysphoria – the feeling of distress about one's gender. Danielle goes further, explaining that she doesn't even experience gender dysphoria anymore because she never feels like or sees herself as male. She argues that every individual is different, which is why blanket statements don't work.
Candace remains unconvinced, pointing out that the APA only recently updated their manual and predicts they'll continue updating it to accommodate other identities, including potentially "minor-attracted persons" (a term replacing pedophile). She argues that conservatives must guard against the erosion of objective reality, insisting that mental disorders exist regardless of whether the APA chooses to classify them as such.
The Rachel Dolezal Question
Candace introduces what becomes the most challenging question of the conversation: Is Rachel Dolezal black? Rachel Dolezal is the woman who wore dark makeup, grew her hair into an afro, and led the NAACP while claiming to be black, only for her very white parents to expose the truth.
Ray J immediately responds that Rachel Dolezal is not black. Danielle also agrees she is not black, calling it "costuming." But Candace presses the point: What's the difference? Both Rachel and Danielle believe internally they are something they weren't born as. Both took external steps to present as that identity. Both could share similar narratives about feeling different from a young age and being perceived by others as their chosen identity.
Danielle struggles with this comparison, repeatedly returning to the idea that Rachel is "costuming" while her own experience is genuine. She argues that the key difference is that she openly acknowledges she's not a biological woman – she identifies as a trans woman. When Candace points out that Rachel could say she's "transracial" just as Danielle is "transgender," the logical consistency becomes harder to maintain.
Ray J suggests they need to "analyze the question" more thoroughly, acknowledging it's a "very powerful question" that puts up a conceptual wall. Candace argues this discomfort exists because the question exposes a fundamental inconsistency: if feelings and personal identity override biological reality in one category, why not in others?
The Social Contagion Concern
Candace explains why conservatives feel they must be vocal about this issue: the concern about social contagion among children. She references the explosion in young people identifying as non-binary or transgender, noting these numbers were nowhere near this high in previous generations. She uses the analogy of cigarette smoking – how advertising made it popular, then counter-advertising reduced it dramatically.
Candace shares that she did an interview with Briana Ivy, a person who transitioned, had complications, and realized they were just a gay man. It was the only time Candace almost cried on her show, hearing Briana's regret about irreversible procedures and wishing they had heard voices warning them to wait. She expresses concern that shows like Ray J's contribute to a culture that makes transitioning seem easy and consequence-free.
Ray J acknowledges the complexity, distinguishing between people who are genuinely trans versus those following a trend. He emphasizes the importance of education through his various ventures: the Gage Agency, Gay RP, Ray Pride (a C3 organization), and The Gworls Club. His goal is creating spaces for straight, gay, and trans people to have conversations and reach understanding.
Danielle partially agrees with Candace's social contagion concern, shocking her by admitting that she sometimes sees people claiming to be trans who don't seem genuine. She describes seeing people hiking while presenting as men with beards who identify as trans, which doesn't align with her understanding of the trans experience. However, she maintains that genuine trans people exist and their experiences shouldn't be dismissed because of others who may be following trends.
The Slippery Slope Argument
Candace articulates the conservative fear: once you say there's no objective reality and anyone can identify as anything, everything becomes possible. This includes the 60-year-old man who identifies as 13 and commits acts of pedophilia, or people who identify as different ages or even different species (like those who identify as babies or animals).
Danielle finds this offensive, not wanting these extreme examples lumped together with trans identity. But Candace insists they're ideologically identical if we abandon objective reality. She argues that the only defense against the slippery slope is maintaining that objective biological reality exists and that feelings don't override facts.
This leads Candace to emphasize why she uses the term "mental disorder" – not to be cruel, but to maintain a framework where society can distinguish between reality and delusion. If being transgender isn't acknowledged as a mental disorder while anorexia and body dysmorphia are, it creates an inconsistent standard that could eventually be used to justify age identity, species identity, or any other disconnection from objective reality.
Parenting and Personal Identity
When discussing how they would handle their own children expressing trans identity, Ray J shares a vulnerable moment: he once put on a wig and found himself attracted to his own reflection, which shocked him so much he immediately removed it. He explains he wants to be the parent his kids can tell anything to, emphasizing support and open communication.
However, when Candace asks if he'd support his child doing heroin or pornography, Ray J clarifies he means he wants his children to feel comfortable telling him about problems so he can help them, not that he'd support any choice they make.
Candace brings up the examples of children claiming to be different things – her son saying he's a princess (she corrected him to prince), or wanting to be a merman like his sister is a mermaid. She emphasizes that children say ridiculous things constantly, which is why she finds it troubling when parents like Charlize Theron take a child's statement in the bathtub as definitive proof of trans identity.
Finding Common Ground
Despite fundamental disagreements, the conversation ends with mutual respect. Danielle acknowledges that she and Candace won't see eye to eye on everything but appreciates the opportunity for specific, nuanced conversation rather than broad generalizations. She emphasizes that trans individuals are not a monolith – what's true for her may not be true for another trans person.
Candace appreciates Danielle's willingness to acknowledge she's not a biological woman and doesn't claim to be one. This distinction matters to Candace because she sees many in the trans community as being dishonest about this fundamental reality. She finds Danielle's transparency and willingness to have a difficult conversation brave.
Ray J emphasizes the importance of continuing these conversations, even when they're uncomfortable. He believes that education happens through dialogue and that the LGBTQ community and the "straights" (as he jokingly puts it) need more opportunities to sit down together and work toward understanding.
The conversation concludes with information about The Gworls Club (spelled g-w-o-r-l-s), now streaming on Tronics Network. Ray J explains their goal isn't to benefit from drama but to uplift talent and tell stories correctly. He hopes this conversation will give people insight into how to have productive debates about controversial topics.
Video Transcript
All right, guys. Welcome to a special
episode of Candace. I'm excited for this
conversation or at least to bring this
conversation. So, I'll just dive right
into telling you the background of it. I
recently appeared on Don Lemon and some
clips were taken out of that
conversation I had with him,
particularly a portion when he was
talking to me, speaking to me about
transgenderism. I explained to him my
perspective on transgenderism that it is
a mental disorder.
Uh shortly thereafter, Ray J, familiar
with it, Ray J, he is a man of many
talents. He's a singer, a performer,
um an actor,
uh entrepreneur, a business owner,
messaged me on Instagram and said,
"Candace, I don't feel and I'm summing
up here, I don't feel that you have the
full story. I would love to have a
conversation,
um and introduce you to someone who may
be able to provide you a wider
perspective." And I said, "Let's do it."
I'm in LA and we made it happen
virtually overnight. So, I'm going to
allow Ray J to introduce his guest.
First and foremost, Ray J, what inspired
you to reach out? Well, first off, um
just because I've been so involved with
the community we've been doing
not only TV shows, but we just been been
vibing and we've been spending a lot of
time and and that helped me, you know,
educate myself on a lot of new things.
Um and so, when I seen the interview and
we've talked before and we've always
been cool. So, I think it's always
important if you feel something to like,
you know, call your people, see if we
can sit down, see if we can debate it.
Danielle's here, like she's one of our
stars on the new show The Girls Club on
the Zeus Network. And we're going all in
on this show and I just felt like it was
perfect timing. I was like, "Please hit
me back, right?" And then you're in LA
too at the same time. It was meant. It
was meant for us to do it. And so, just
being and I told you in the in the DM,
just being educated being educated
Educated. That Yeah, that was a new
word. I'd never heard.
Right. And so, um
bridging the gap and getting an
understanding, it's always good to talk
things through. And so, I brought
Danielle here because
um her experience and her life
kind of was mixed in with what you were
saying, and maybe she can give you a
better understanding on what it is or
vice versa. You know, but I wanted to
create this synergy so we can all talk
together. Danielle, welcome. Thank you.
Thank you for having me. Very happy to
have you here. Also, very happy that you
were willing to even have a discussion
because a lot of times you see people
that are on opposing sides do not want
to speak, and I think that's guided by a
lot of fear and sometimes a lot of
cowardice. So, Danielle, how did you get
mixed in with Ray J, and what made you
want to be here today? Yeah, so I just
wanted to double back on that. I fully
agree when Ray and the team called me.
Obviously, the first emotions that go
through your head is, "Oh my god, I'm
scared. Like, I don't know if I'm
ready." And to be completely vulnerable,
I thought this is is I don't want to use
the word easy, but for me as a trans
person, and I have been for 20 years,
there's been so many conversations that
I've had worldwide with people, and
as like a mature, classy, wise person
that I would like to say I am, you
understand perspective, and it's all how
you come at a conversation. So, that's
why I agreed to be here cuz I was like,
"I want to do this for me, for the
community, and most of all for Ray J
Tronics and the Girls Club because we
have created something really special."
So, yeah. Okay, so why don't we just
start by telling us a little bit about
your story? Yeah. Um so, I'm from Perth,
Western Australia, which is Australia.
Yeah. Shout out Australia. Perth,
Western Australia,
aka the Aussie Doll, that's what they
call me.
Perth, Western Australia is the most
isolated city in the world. So, it's
basically on the west, and everything
else you would have heard about is on
the east. So, growing up in Perth,
Western Australia, it's kind of like a
beach town and a a town um, sorry. Want
to get my words right. And, um, yeah, my
experience has been trans, um, dated
back to, and I know this is
controversial and people are going to be
like, "Uh," when I say it, but the
first, um, verbalization of me feeling
trans is when I was four, and, um, my
mom told me this when I got older
because I'd verbalized to her, um,
basically that I was comparing myself to
my older sister, and cuz I have an older
sister and two younger now. And, um,
just feelings [clears throat] and
displaying certain things, and
I won't, obviously, get into every
detail cuz I'll try to summarize, but
basically growing up in Perth, it was an
experience that I had to take on alone.
My parents and family were kind of from
the country, West Australian, had no
idea about anything to do with trans or
the LGBTQ, um, and we've got to remember
cuz this was 20 years ago and in
Australia, the journey was completely on
my own back. So, everything that I felt
and resonated with, it was up to me to
do the research. Everything that I'd
seen on the TV was sensationalized and
kind of crazy, and we all know, the
viewers listening, what I'm talking
about, um, the misrepresentations and
things like that. So, yeah, it was a
very lonely journey, um,
you only have to talk to someone in the
community to know that I was a
trailblazer for what I did because I
was, literally, basically the only one
for a while, um, doing what I was doing.
And, yeah, life's been a journey since
then, and it still is. And now, were
your parents together? Um, my parents
divorced at the age of six, and then my
mom remarried. So, and so did my dad.
So, I've always had, like, a biological
mother and father and two step parents.
And how did your parents deal with you?
I guess the first question is, when did
you first communicate your feelings
about your identity, and how did your
parents respond to it? Um,
[laughter]
so,
at and obviously, I say this is
according to what my mom later told
because to be honest I don't remember
when I was four. I only have like vivid
memories maybe from five six up.
Um, but basically what it would be is me
and my mom were always particularly
really close. I just was, you know,
always gravitated towards my mom and my
mom's, you know, just everything to me.
And um, she would say that she would
just, you know, notice like certain
things that were different to the other
kids. And when I vocalized to her how I
felt and that I kept comparing myself to
Ashton and I That's my older sister. And
would um, talk like even about genitalia
which obviously I didn't understand at
that time, but I even physically did
things to myself that made no sense kind
of like to her um, in comparison to why
I wasn't like my sister when we'd have
bath time and things like that. So, um,
that was the first verbalization and
then as I got older it just got stronger
because I was able to verbalize things
more. But the interesting thing was And
once again this is only my experience
and I'm just speaking today from a
personal experience of being trans.
Um, when I was
being really out there with my
vocalizations about being trans all of a
sudden when I had realized in school
that it wasn't appropriate to be saying
those things and it wasn't normal and it
was weird or I could be bullied for it I
completely went opposite and I never
brought it up again. Okay. So, that was
kind of like late primary to full high
school. It was never a topic to my
family ever again until I graduated.
Okay, so a couple of things that I'd
like to ask as a follow up. You answered
how your mother felt about it. How did
your father feel about it because I do
think it is relevant that your parents
separated when you were six.
Yeah, for sure. Um, and they obviously
separated for their own reasons. Um, my
mother explained to me years later when
I had the maturity that they got a
divorce based on just a complete lack of
um
compatibility, you know, and people got
married then just kind of cuz they had
to and popped out a few kids.
Um so, they knew that when they divorced
that they had to do the best for us. My
dad is This is what I like to explain to
a lot of people because a lot of um
people that see men with their um LGBTQ
children have kind of a femininity to
them or they act in a certain way. My
dad is a very staunch Australian. If
you've watched Crocodile Dundee, that's
the kind of vibe he is.
[laughter]
Yeah, like shout out to my dad. Um he's
known as Whitey, the football player in
Bunbury. Um very, you know, just that
alpha male. And the thing is for for cuz
I'm going to be honest today, obviously,
just to get the story right. Obviously,
my dad struggled with it more than my
mom, but what later on came in the years
like later on when we converse with my
dad said his issue was that was never
accepting and understanding cuz he could
see it with his own eyes my whole life,
but it was the communication that he
lacked on. So, he couldn't talk to me
how my mom could. And this is a last
follow-up question regarding your
father. When they got separated when you
were 6 years old, was he involved in in
your life?
they went straight to legal um
uh
What's the word? Um legal um not
maintenance.
Where you have to um where
Like the rights of Yeah, you get 3 days
and 3 days, yeah.
I can't think of the word, but yeah,
they basically did it straight away that
it was by the book. My dad had us every
weekend and my mom had full custody for
school hours and things like that. Okay.
So, Rejay, I want to ask you this
because you have young children, I have
young children. And so, and I'm I'm glad
Danielle that you were very honest about
the fact that your mother told you that
when you were four you said this and had
done some things and so she kind of says
this was always there. Yeah. Because I
have young children and I know how
stupid kids are and I say that with all
of in heart, but they say ridiculous
things all the time. And one of the
things that's been concerning to me is
to hear so many celebrities try to, I
guess, validate the stupidity of
children and pretending and going,
"Well, this must be real." Most notably
what comes to mind, I believe Charlize
Theron had a daughter or a son, but the
story goes, one day in the bath bathtub,
my son or daughter looked up at me and
said, "Mommy, I'm a I'm a girl." And
that was it. That Charlize Theron then
allowed her child to begin
transitioning. And that to me sounds
like a mental disorder that the parent
is suffering for some reason. And a lot
of the times I've noticed this trend
that it does tend to be single women
that sort of encourage this thing. So,
I'd like to ask you if you're You have a
son. Mhm. And a daughter. And your son's
how old? My son's four. Okay. He's four.
Perfect age. My daughter's six.
If your son was in a bathtub and your
son said
anything in the bathtub, "Dad, I'm a
mermaid."
Why would you then say, "Well, this must
really mean that my four-year-old
toddler, who also thinks he can fly, who
also thinks like Santa Claus is real and
can squeeze down the the chimney." Why
isn't this thing that people go, "Oh,
well, this must be a sign that my
child's really struggling with
identity." Yeah, I mean, I think that's
that's very early, I would say, just me
being a new parent, right? And what's
crazy about the mermaid thing, my son
likes to follow his sister, right? He
loves her, and whatever she does,
he wants to do. Same with me, back here.
I used to double dutch and jump rope
before I, you know, started to hang out
with my friends, um
just because I wanted to follow my big
sister. She got a mermaid outfit, he
wanted one. So, I got him a mermaid. He
wanted to be a merman for cuz she was
in, you know, she was swimming with the
mer So, I'm like, "All right, you want
to be a merman? Then cool, I'll get you
one." Um
but I didn't think of it in the sense of
that Yeah, it's just because you know,
again they're young and
and they're learning things as they go,
you know.
And I want to piggyback off that as
well. Sorry to cut you off is with that
was like a really valid question, but I
have to say that with my mom what she
did was it wasn't a validation of really
how I thought and acted on it straight
away. My mom was a listener. So my mom
never shut me down for the things that I
verbalized, but as for like counseling
and transition, that was done way later.
And that was never to punish me, but it
was all always like my mom was like a
soundboard, but she never pushed.
Yeah, you said you said that. You said
you kept it quiet for
Oh, yeah. I totally internalized because
you see what the world says and you're
like, oh sugar, this isn't I'm normal.
I'll just be quiet. Yeah, but I guess
what I'm I'm trying to say here is that
your mother even now, even if you're
older and you make a decision for your
mother to go back into a memory of
something that every child goes through.
They just say stupid stuff. They want to
be mermaids. They don't even understand.
The first time we watched Disney movie
my son said, I'm a princess. And I said,
no, you're a prince. And now you're
seeing this sort of people trying to go
backwards. I don't know if they're doing
this out of protection or out of love
and trying to pretend that they just
want to validate the experiences that
you're having, but I don't feel comf I
don't feel like, oh, this must be real
because you said this started when I was
four. I First thing comes to my head is
mommy's got some issues, right? Because
it's not like your mother said this you
know, whatever. You were a kid when you
were toddler. But then I really noticed
this thing when you were 18 years old
and your Well, actually your brain
develops at the age of 26 years old. So
that makes me a little bit uncomfortable
because I I do think and I do see this
pattern of single moms. Um and also just
what you spoke to. You said I had an
older sister. This is exactly right. So
my daughter will is much more of a
roughhouser because she's following my
son who is the oldest. So she grabs
swords. She wants to fight. Now, I was a
tomboy. I went through a phase where I
had like I think all girls go through
this like tomboy phase, but I went
through a phase when I was in fifth
grade and I was acting, you know, I I
wanted to just play with the boys. I
thought the boys were having more fun. I
just thank God that this wasn't
fashionable at the time and I know that
you're you're
It definitely wasn't at that age. But
now it's like parents are just like,
"Yay, I want my kid to be different."
And I'm throwing them into this. I want
to specify quickly on the four. I used
that specifically when I'm interviewed,
like I said before, I'm going to be
really honest and I used that because
that was something that was told to me
in a private moment with me and my mom
when I was asking her to reflect, but
that was just the start. But as you can
imagine, there was many other things she
started to share with me
like it between us intimate moments of
things, "Oh, I remember this and that
and that was because I was searching for
that truth." And I'm also a very
open-minded person, so I wanted to
understand myself better. So, I get what
you're saying, but it's almost like I
have to use that as a benchmark, but it
wasn't like you said it at four and then
like we actioned it or you said it at
four and then never said it again. That
was just the start of what she could
remember and then moved forward for
years.
Yeah, but even if she's doing that post
because she wants to validate the pre,
it's still dishonest to me because every
parent knows that toddlers just say and
do ridiculous things. And so, if she's
validating that for you now, then I my
fear is that maybe your mother was
validating that for you out of love the
entire time. But I want to go back into
your narrative before we talk about
those aspects. So, you said that when
you were in high school uh you
I guess could could you just elaborate?
I don't know if you were saying like you
were trans or started saying some trans
things and then people made you feel
that you couldn't do that.
Um it was basically Um yeah, so in in
Australia, sorry, it's a little bit
different. We have primary and high, so
I'm not super sure, but we've got like
grade one to grade seven and then grade
eight to grade 12.
So, how old? Um so, it would have been
from like the age of 10 to like the age
of 17 where I was in the
um moment. Um but, I wanted to clarify
that I never used the word trans um
growing up because I didn't have the
education of what that word was. How I
identified is that I felt um like a
female, but I just was aware that that
wasn't possible at that time. That was
the best way I can put it. I was just
like I'm a girl, but unfortunately
that's not matching and that's just how
I That's all I can verbal verbalize it
as, but the reason why other people
caught on to that is because every day
of my life people literally were like,
"Yeah, like she, her, girl." Um I would
cross the street and they would be like,
"Good morning, ladies." and then
everyone would laugh. Like it was this
knowing thing that people weren't being
like trans or derogatory things at
school, but they were literally like
"What the hell are you?" Without using
swear words. So, that's interesting. So,
why would somebody
say good morning, girls to you if you
weren't presenting as trans?
I'm saying. That's how feminine I was in
literally a school uniform um presenting
as me, just me, just like whatever was
perceived by the public as female. Okay,
so I believe that you can be a feminine
you can act feminine. That I totally
believe you can
really acting cuz it was a visual
response. Do you know what I'm saying?
Like you know the lollipop ladies that
I'm not sure if you all have them in
America like with the sticks like stop
go. So, it wasn't like a act of me
prancing or anything. It was just the
visualization. It was the head.
And I have I have I've grown up with
just growing up and I've had friends who
um
were more feminine in class than
Yes. you [clears throat] know, other
other
you know, people. So,
we kind of could tell, you know what I
mean? Even at a young age what
what people wanted to be and what what
people liked. But I could still think
even in liking and loving
pertaining to like the job at hand, the
execution, being on time, making sure
the work is done. I think that's that's
what matters. And I think the privacy of
like people's love and affection
[snorts]
sometimes to me is TMI to to the job at
hand and to what we are and what we're
all trying to accomplish in our goals.
So
um But I guess my question is and I I'm
agreeing with you actually. We're in
radical agreement here because I've gone
to school and I've seen
boys that are feminine. Yeah, at a young
age. And I didn't graduate with a single
trans person. Those people did not
decide to go trans now. Obviously there
there's been explosion of of the trans
agenda. They were just gay. Yeah, very
different.
so I would like to know
at what point did you go from just being
a feminine boy to saying, "No, actually
I think it's more than that."
Yeah. And I am
needing to change my life. Yeah. So um
like I stated before it was always the
internalized um thought uh process, but
just because of my intellect at the time
I didn't know the possibilities of how I
could execute it. But the feelings were
always there and I guess that I was
hoping when I got older I would be able
to gain more resources and more
knowledge and it could be possible to
you know, match the outside of how I was
thinking. But I want to specify that
there was gay people in my school and
like y'all both agreed on that feminine
gaze and it's so interesting because and
these guys will probably hear this cuz
they're still on my Facebook, but it was
so interesting cuz even in little old
Perth, Australia, they still identified
and treated these gay boys in my class
different to me. I was always on the
outer. It was like they were the gays
and I was the she. So even then, with no
knowledge and no understanding, they
were still
being like, "It's different." Because
these gay boys weren't like straight
gays, as we called them. They were
feminine gay boys, and I was the she.
So like you can imagine that
if that was the perception
it was matching what I was feeling, but
I just wasn't vocalizing it. So when did
you begin to vocalize that?
Um I vocalized it when I was 17. Um I I
was very blessed in my family that they
allowed me to do grade 11 and 12 at
Kingsway Christian College. I was kind
of like at a point at the school that I
went to that was really rough that I
wanted to graduate, and my auntie and
like um my family were at a local
church, and they got me into that
school, which was really prestigious and
stuff, and you know, I could knuckle
down and do my studies and graduate. And
throughout that time, and especially
being around like devout Christians and
going to church and doing Bible study
and things like that, knew how I felt
and knew what I needed to do. So I
platformed from
um like literally legal age. So when I
graduated in Australia, it falls on you
becoming 18.
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So, I'm going to cut to you Ray J
because we've all been 17 before, we've
all been teenagers. I I would almost say
that you could qualify the teenage
experience as just an identity crisis,
like one long identity crisis. You're
trying to figure out literally who you
are. Yeah. That is what adolescence is.
You're And And that's why I say, quite
jokingly but kind of also seriously,
bring back cigarettes because now there
are just been explosion of children who
think they're non-binary, they think
they're transgendered. No matter how you
estimate it, you know that there were
not this many people that were
struggling and like there was no they
didn't all become transgendered. And so
it is part of this is becoming a
contagion, you know, social contagion,
which is Well, social contagion is real,
right? So, if you see me smoking
cigarettes and then everybody starts
smoking cigarettes. I mean, that was the
reason why cigarettes got popular
because they were on a poster.
hit the cigarette and you try to smoke
it and you can't, inhale, it's like you
cough like it's like you're Well, we
stopped We stopped out cigarettes. So,
there used to be the majority of people
in America were smoking cigarettes and
it was because of advertising, right?
So, people were looking, the doctors
were telling them it was healthy, that
that was the reason why people were
smoking cigarettes. Exactly. So, that
used to be a thing in America. And then
dial it back, they did the exact thing,
the reverse marketing. And we were
suddenly learning in school, everyone
did the DARE program, and they kind of
stomped out cigarette smoking.
Yeah, they kind of smoked out They
stomped out cigarette smoking in
America. And that's actually a joke that
Europeans make, Americans don't smoke
cigarettes. And so
We know that advertising works. We know
that you can influence behavior. And
that's why I say bring back cigarettes
cuz now I feel that when the kids were
trying to rebel against their parents
when we were young, people were like
smoking cigarettes, maybe smoking a
joint. Now they're like, I'm non-binary.
And kind of being sent down this
pathway, which for those who really are
just struggling with adolescence, there
isn't really a way back. So,
if your child came to you at 17 or 18
said, I am born to the wrong body.
And I want to take puberty blockers.
What would you say?
Well, as a parent, um, my kids are four
and six.
Um,
you you don't really know what how
you're going to react, but I know for
me, I want to be the parent my kids
should I want them to be able to tell me
anything. Like the darkest, the most
complicated, like what they're really
going to through internally, externally.
So, I would be super open for super
support, right? That's the kind of dad I
am. Um, even with my son, he's four, but
there's been times where he's been
around and we were shooting whether it's
a movie or something and there was a lot
of women around and he said, "Dada,
I love the girls." Right? And I went,
"Okay.
Got it." I mean, I don't know if I
should
bring them in now because you're only
four, so I wouldn't wouldn't do that,
but hey,
that's what you like right now. You came
to me and said it. You even told your
mom, "Where are the girls at, Dada?" in
front of moms. I said, "Son,
we got to
you know, and so,
um,
I I would just be there for them. And I
think as as society grows and as
everybody gains more knowledge,
um, and you know, you have friends,
right? I have friends. I have friends
that are straight. I have friends that
are gay. I have friends that are trans.
And um, and these are my close friends.
And so, I don't me personally, I don't
care, but I I also understand that
it's it's it's for them to make the
choice, not for them to be
programmed into a choice that they might
not be familiar with and they're just
following the trend, right? So, that's
the that's where, you know, you straddle
the line with everything with marketing
and promo. But for me, I mean, I'm in
full support of whatever my kids want to
do. And you know, Heroin?
Well, I mean, not that.
Pornography?
Not that.
But I'm saying
he's in full support of whatever his
kids want to do. No, no, no, no, meaning
like meaning like but no, meaning like
if they were doing that, please come
tell me. Yeah. So I can help you. Like
don't push me out to where you don't
feel comfortable with telling your dad
that you got a problem, right? So yes, I
will be in full support of listening to
them and helping them. So as honest as
they can be, I want to be the dad to
make them feel like anytime I'm going
down, anytime I'm going up, whatever,
I'mma always hit my dad and tell him
what's going on.
You know. I'd like to Yeah, I would love
to say I would love for you to comment
on that because you said it's not
comparable to your kid participating in
pornography and it's not comparable to
your kid doing heroin.
Right. Why would you say that?
Um I just wanted to piggyback as well
off the um cigarette. Like I'm giggling
in my head because it's true. Like I
have to agree with you. It's like even
like in my hometown, it's just woah, all
of a sudden everyone's a smoker. Where
did that come from? Um so I did it kind
of giggle at that point, but I wanted
just make it very clear. And I'm going
to open up a can can of worms here
because let's be honest, and I said at
the start of the interview, I'm trans
and I'm speaking for myself. So I'm an
individual. So you might be with me and
be like, okay, like she's got some
points or whatever, whatever, and
someone else could come across as
literally crazy to you. So once again, I
can only speak from my perspective. But
I want to make it very clear that
there's two points. So with the whole
where did all this trans and non-binary
come from, we have to remember that as a
society, we are forever evolving, and
sometimes that's in not the best ways.
Let's be honest because sometimes the
world's becoming something that we wish
it wasn't. But also, we were in a place
of not only oppression, but where people
were um it's like that silence or the
gag order where you can't speak up it
depending on jobs and discrimination and
serving for the country whatever it may
be. So, a lot of people it's been
documented that were suffering were
suffering in silence and they weren't
able to do what we can now because we
live in a world where it's more
accepted. But, to piggyback over that
point I also want to make a statement
that as a trans person myself I'm
shocked sometimes because I see all
these people now that are under the
trans umbrella and I say the trans
umbrella cuz that shocks me sometimes.
Um, where they're like I'm trans and I
will see them in public like hiking
presenting as a boy with a beard and I'm
shocked.
So, you would say
Because it's like that's not me. So,
they're not being So, they're not being
transparent.
I don't want to make it like a
physicality thing cuz I know people
instantly read people like me saying
I've got pretty privilege, I'm passing
privilege, I'm white privilege and all
these other privileges, but it's not
about that for me. What it's about is
that I want people to understand that
being trans and if you truly are trans
it's a journey that should happen
between you and your parents and, you
know, the medical practitioner and it
shouldn't be something that's
sensationalized and a circus act. It
should be down to the individual and I
feel like if you hit all those points
and it's meant to be there would be
less. So, I can kind of agree with what
you're saying in that sense because when
I sit in the room with someone else that
claims trans and I'm like looking at
them like come on, be for real. But, now
I can't even say that.
people are faking it. Well, it's just a
social contagion which is what I was
saying. So, social contagions are real
and But, I want I want to specify on
that it's a social contagion for that I
can understand what you're saying, but
that's for the people that are adding on
to the community that I don't feel are
genuine. I I actually I feel like that's
the difference. So, I would disagree
with that and I disagree virtually with
Bill Maher on everything, but even he
did a segment he obviously is I'm a
lefty. I I guess you consider himself to
be an ally of the LGBTQ+ community, and
he showed a map of
transgenderism across the United States,
and he said, "Well, if this is not a
social contagion, can you explain to me
why so many kids in LA are trans and yet
kids in Ohio" and he showed on the map
and he's he's Well, that shows you it's
a social contagion. Well, this is a good
back session. I'll I'll get that clip to
you later up where he shows the map of
the trans uh where transgenderism is
happening. And obviously in that clip
he's talking about puberty blockers, and
you said you were 17 that you then
realized there was something else that
was going on with you, but you know,
just speaking about the development of
the human brain, your brain is literally
not developed at 17 years old, right?
You are not a formed person at 17.
17-year-old RJ, 17-year-old Candace,
think about how much I started
kids in Sorry, I just wanted to specify.
17 was um grade 12 for me, and then I
started 18. And in Australia, 18 is
legal, not 21. Legal and brain
development are two totally different
For sure. That's you can go to war, all
that stuff. But I mean, kids are
drinking at 15.
That's totally fine.
I don't support, by the way. Right. But
just to be clear, your brain is not
fully like like the human mind is not
fully developed until 26 years I think
it I I think the experience of the human
gets better. So, your experience makes
you have more knowledge, right? Doesn't
mean that you aren't your greatest at 18
and 19 and 20, you know? Those are the
moments And I was in full knowledge of
like my thoughts and and and in control
over that because you have to remember
to take it back. This is not a decision
that I made like some random like, "Oh,
you know what? I want to be a girl at 17
and started 18." To me, I'm too smart
for that. That's reckless. I don't think
that that's wise. Like, you've got to
marinate in the decision, and that's
what I would the advice that I give to
people all the time. This is not
something that you click your fingers
for. This for me was over a decade. So,
when I made my choice at 18, I I get
what you're saying with brain
development, but for me it was just
finally time because I had all of that
time. And this is a lifestyle, like I
told you this was I didn't even care
that other people were calling me she
and her 24/7 because I knew how I felt.
was you you liked that.
Of course I did, but but also
embarrassment came with that cuz I was
all
you know, the kids would laugh. When did
when did you decide to do the full The
full change was at
19 and a half and 19 and a half a year
and a half later. So you went from this
is my decision at 17 18 to I'm going to
go under the knife and did you get
bottom surgery? No, that was my first
surgery. I had breast augmentation and
then a few years after that I had SRS,
which is also known as being post-op
trans or sex change or gender
reassignment surgery. There's so many
different names.
Why did you choose and
as your first surgery to get breast
augmentation? Um to be honest and I will
be very honest about this. Um
when I got breast augmentation, I felt
like it was almost like something that I
needed for a visualization of a female
like it sensationalized in the sense
that oh, I want large breasts because
that'll make me more beautiful and I'm
proud of myself that many years later
that I can look back and kind of be like
I actually didn't need that because I
had hormone breast growth of the
equivalent to like a B cup and I was
actually had like great breasts. Okay,
so that's interesting. So you're
at the same time that you're saying that
you were able to make this mature
decision to go under the knife or to
recognize that you were not
a male, I guess would be if I I hope I'm
okay. You're also admitting that you did
something
kind of childish, right? I mean to say I
need big boobs, I'm a girl.
I I wouldn't do that. I'm a I'm an
actual woman, right? So I wouldn't do
that because that just sounds to me like
someone who's playing dress up. Like
that just sounds to me
not. My It wasn't a costume.
is because the first thing if if you
genuinely thought, like this is who I
am, the first thing you do is get boobs,
that's to me just like this is what it
means to be a girl. It's it's
it's very
the first thing I did.
that to me is a costume because women
have all different breast size. There
are some women that are completely
pancakes, some women that have huge
boobs.
I got a new song coming out called
"Titty for me." [laughter] So,
it's all coming out. But that's why I
take um ownership over the fact that
what I'm saying is
not being a costume and not copying
anyone anyone or anything like that. It
was a decision made by me that I thought
I needed and it wasn't any deep regret.
It was just later on I was like, I just
don't need that size because I knew I
needed but the thing is we have to be
specific that my own friends that are
born female have the same thing. Like my
best friend literally hates her
implants. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but
but but but she's doing that for a
different reason and this kind of gets
my point. You said that after and I I
want to slow this down cuz I'm I'm
making a point that I would like you to
to understand. You said that once you
realized that you were a female, you
felt that you were a female and you were
in the wrong body, the first thing you
did was do something that does not make
someone a female, right? That you just
were like, "I'm going to get boobs." So,
that to me shows a tremendous
immaturity, right? Now, other one other
women do this, they're just like, "I
want to look like Kim Kardashian and
this is a trend
but they're not doing it because they're
going, "I'm not a woman." Do you get
what I'm saying?
mean what's the difference? Like cuz my
Yeah, because my best friend literally
got implants because she and and I
quote, she was like, "I feel like a boy
because I've got no boobs."
Some some women want bigger breasts and
some people like like I I don't mind
little breasts or big breasts, but women
want to go get some.
said. They were attached to masculinity.
But you're saying and femininity are two
different things. They don't attach it
to whether or not they are in fact a
Like they would never go to the doctor
and say if I don't get these boobs,
I'm a male. No, but I didn't think that.
I was talking about aesthetically
pleasing. That was my point.
But that was that exactly.
I wanted the breasts. I feel like That's
fine. I just I just want to say this.
That to me is is to me that's a costume.
And that's why I call and this is why I
feel that it's womanface. It's It's an
idea. It's like
This is what I believe women are because
I'm scrolling through and I'm I'm giving
you a modern example, obviously
Instagram is on a ramen you're doing
this. I'm scrolling through Instagram
and I think that the hottest girl on
Instagram is Sofia Richie. So what do I
have to do to look like Sofia Richie and
that's going to make me a woman. That to
me is womanface, right? That doesn't
That doesn't make So yes, you're saying
there's aesthetics to it and that is the
reason why you will see women all across
LA It's like Santa Monica.
They will get their It's It's the
aesthetics. But I But I Exactly. For me,
once again Because I can only speak from
a personal point of view, it was the
aesthetic of it. Just like my
girlfriend, like I stated, that's how
she felt as a born female. But the
costume for me, because you're using
that and that is something that gets
thrown around in our community, I want
to specify how I see the costume because
I actually agree with that terminology
and I hate when people treat being trans
like a costume because they do do it,
but it's just not in that scenario. A
costume to me is how I specified before
where people are going around saying I'm
trans and they want to reap the benefits
of being a trans Let's say activist or
getting jobs as a trans spokesperson,
whatever it may be. And then you see
them at the corner store and it's like
literally like whoa, did you
detransition overnight? That's what I
see as a costume.
back to being Well, it's just what she
said. It It can be a costume. But for
me, this isn't a costume. I can't rip it
all off. I know I've got I'm in glam now
because I love glam and you know, I like
to feel and look good, smell good,
whatever, whatever. But at home, no
makeup on, hair up in a bun is giving
woman. It's giving what it is. Okay, so
you
not a costume for me.
believe that you're a woman. 100%. Do I
think I'm a born female biological
woman? Absolutely not. I'm a trans woman
and I'm well aware that I'm not a
biological woman and I want to make that
statement very loud.
That's a good
Because that's where it gets crossed and
where I think trans people need to come
to the table of is understanding that
and letting biological women know that
we're well aware we're trans women and
if people are out there saying anything
otherwise, that's something that I don't
want to back. Right. So now now we're
bridging the gaps. Right.
Now we're bridging the gap, Candace.
Yeah. I'm a well aware of who I am and
what I am. Do you, Rajae, believe that
Danielle is a woman?
Yes. I don't I've never once even every
time we talk, I've always said Danielle,
she I I'm that's that's what it is. Like
and all of my friends that are in the
community, I mean, we have a whole gay
agency, right? Shout out to Tarad and
Dumping D. It's the full gay agency,
right? And then we have the girls club,
right? So there's different layers and
different um
different things that people like to do
in their world that they like to be
outside of work.
But when we all come to work,
everybody's on time, everybody's on
point. What happens after work? I mean,
it ain't you know what I'm saying? I I
can only imagine what some of my other
friends do, some of my
um boom operators and camera guys, they
they they're real freaks, right? So who
knows what they're doing? All I know is
that when we did the girls club, we shot
it in the Laurel Hills. Yeah. Um it was
a lot of intense um drama, you know,
everybody was trying to tell their
story. So it got it got really dramatic
and it was a lot of like um physical
altercations. So we had to call another
security team in. Security team got
there and the security team ended up
falling in love with all the girls
there. So they never left. So the
security team would hang out with the
girls after the set and when was 8:00
call time, they just got out the bed and
went to work. Got dressed, right?
Because everybody start locking in and
that showed me that you know, it's you
know, people after work and people in
their own time is going love doing what
they do.
So I just want to be clear. Danielle, I
think you're a very kind person. You're
very open person. I'm just so happy that
you're willing to have this discussion.
But Ray J, when you say that you believe
And shout out to the security team.
You believe that Danielle is a woman.
You believe that I am a woman. I believe
like she said, she's a trans woman and
she made it very clear that they
understand the difference but if someone
like
difference? That's what I'd like you to
answer, Ray J. Ray J. What is the
difference?
Well, I would say what's the difference
is
what you have. Like what what's on you,
you know what I mean?
Um
and there is really no difference but
what your preference is outside of work.
Outside of us coming together and doing
what we need to do to to finish the goal
at hand.
No, but what what is the difference
between me and Danielle? She's a trans
woman and you're a
I'm the biology of biological woman. Is
that the what Yeah, cuz I'm still being
I'm educating educated every day on it,
right?
Right. I ask a lot of questions.
educated on speech rather than being
educated on what you know to be right
and
Well, no. I know Well, not right and
wrong. I just know what what's the
difference.
you have to differentiate and I'm I'm
glad that you are cuz I do think that
that's much more respectful than where a
lot of people are coming from,
um, who I self-identify as
transgendered, but if you have to
delineate, if you have to say I'm a
trans woman and Candace is a woman, then
that necessarily means that we are not
the same, right? We are something
different.
everybody is different. Every human is
different. Yeah. Nobody's the same.
Yeah, I agree. Nobody's the same.
like even I wanted to double on that
point is with intersex. Let's be honest,
a lot of people just back in the day
used to say hermaphrodite, and now it's
No one is No one is intersex.
Hermaphrodite, and then now
grammatically correct is intersex.
Grammatically correct?
Yeah, and I'm learning, too, mind you,
because I had to learn what intersex
was.
is when you got
When you're born with basically both
organs or, um, XY chromosomes mixed and
things like that, so it's more it's not
just I'm going to take a hormone, it's
actually the way you're born.
So, what does that mean? So, that
basically comp- It makes the topic of
trans actually more complex because a
lot of people now that are intersex
identify, um, under the trans umbrella.
So, it can get very tricky in
conversation because one point I wanted
to make is that I have often wondered,
and maybe we could film this one day,
cuz I actually don't know, but my family
have actually pulled me aside and said
based on, you know, the way I look,
move, and my whole journey that, um,
they wanted to get a test to see if I
was actually intersex because it would
make more sense with my whole journey,
the way I look, and the way that my life
has unfolded, but it's a very expensive
test, from what I've heard, and I never
had that
Yeah. So, that's what
And and to be clear,
Yeah, and that's when it does start to
change because as you can imagine, and,
um, even from a religious standpoint,
cuz I've had this conversation with
Christian women before, does that then
make it different because it's actually
is how you're born versus a lot of
people saying it's a choice.
Yes. Wait, like can I We might be
missing a chromosome.
Like there might be a chromosome like
You know what I'm saying? There might be
one chromosome missing in certain humans
that we ain't paying attention to.
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Go check it out right now. So, to be
clear,
it is plausible, very, very, very small
minority of people who are literally
born hermaphrodites. Is that
Yeah, it's a small percentage. That is
considered a genetically genetic
anomaly, right? So, something goes
wrong, and you can be born with two
parts.
But that that something has gone wrong.
But why would Why can't it just be right
for that person?
that that that that that that that that
that that
happen. Like like if everything goes
right,
creation. a man and her was attached
together. Are we wrong?
See, I feel like But that is that is
also something When something goes
wrong. This is why you know, like
because of the twins and they're Yeah,
they have these surgeries, and they're
and their, you know, organs can be mixed
and it is a it's a right thing. It is a
right one. But something goes wrong when
somebody is born intersex.
wrong? Because it's not God's But we all
believe Yeah, we all believe that
They got a snake and had two heads.
[clears throat] So, I feel like that
could also be that's God's creation. I'm
I'm not saying the person being alive is
wrong. I am saying that genetically
speaking, there are tons of things that
can go wrong. It's like, you know,
people when something happens because of
who you're married to, and your genes
are lining up in a different way, and
some people can be born
special. Yeah. Blind in one eye. This,
that, this, you know, there are tons of
things that
dogs was blind, but he was moving on.
People people are born different.
people.
Okay, but that is not intersex is not
transgenderism because
transgenderism, everything has gone just
right. And at some point in that
person's life, they just make a decision
to say that I want to start living as
this opposite sex that I was not born
as. And that is why I say this is a
mental disorder, okay? I don't view an
intersex person as having a mental
disorder. But can I ask you a question
about that?
I view a transgendered as having a
mental disorder. And I'm So I'll I'll
ask you a question.
Is Rachel Dolezal a black?
Pardon? Is Rachel Dolezal a black?
Rachel Dolezal, if you're not familiar,
is is the woman who was wearing dark
makeup and was leading the end leading
the NAACP, had grown her hair out kinky
into an afro, and then it turned out her
parents spoke out, and she's basically
as white as they come, and she just was
dressing every day as a black person and
passing as black and leading the NAACP.
Yeah. And everyone in the community
her, so I don't want to comment on that.
you to comment because
just wearing makeup and dressing as a
black person.
So she was just wearing makeup.
you're wearing makeup. I feel like
that's inappropriate, and I feel like
going back to what you said before, that
is a perfect example of costuming. Well,
Because see how every
that seems very unfair, and it feels
judgmental because to me, if you're
going to say that you felt that despite
the fact that you were born a male, and
that you felt on the inside that you
were something else, and then you went
through steps to present as that
something else. And then when I say,
"What about Rachel Dolezal?" Rachel
Dolezal says that she felt her whole
life that she was born in the wrong skin
color, and that these weren't really her
parents, and like she was black, and so
she started presenting as black. I just
don't see how you can be ideologically
consistent because no one will accept
Rachel Dolezal because that's blackface.
How could you say this? But you're
sitting here like, "Well, I demand that
I get you know, that like" and I'm
saying you as the larger community
because I don't think you're being
demanding at all. Yeah. At in this
moment, but it's just do you see the
hypocrisy of saying that a woman can't
just like why can't a white girl say
she's black?
I get what you're saying and I see how
people would compare that, but my thing
is once again is when we want to have
conversations about things, it's never
just an umbrella and that's why when I
hate when people say that it has to be
down to the individual. So as a as a
mature smart lady and you're telling me
this and I'm comprehending that, I'm
already understanding it for what it is
and that's why every case is different
because that's no different than someone
Is Rachel Dolezal black? But that but I
you know what? I watched um something on
I think Fox and it was um
they asked
a transgender
guy
about it and he was stuck on the
question when they said
if I said I was black, I think Chris
Morgan said it and he said if so if I
say I'm black, do you consider me black?
And I heard that. he
I said that to him.
it yet. He was stuck and he didn't know
what to say
because I think that the it's tricky now
with race
Yeah. and gender, right?
Not tricky.
It's very it's and and I think that but
here's the thing, the fact that that's a
that question kind of stops
the answers from flowing because you got
to
we need to elaborate more on that. We
need to we need to like we need to
figure out how to think how to really
understand that question because that's
being asked and it kind of shuts
everything
But that's but there's a reason it shuts
everything down cuz it's not a tricky
question. You she like like literally in
in 4 seconds Rachel Dolezal said that
she was black, that she lived this way,
she was had a great job at the NAACP
fighting for black causes. Suddenly her
parents speak out, everyone can see that
her parents are very white. And then
they showed a picture of Rachel Dolezal.
It turns out this is like a
blonde-haired Scottish girl. I mean, and
and and and
What if she was around black people for
all her life?
my point, right? So, and the reason why
you guys are struggling to answer this
is because what it does is it presents
to say
Yeah, you said Rachel Dolezal is not
black.
Yeah, she's not black at all. So, I feel
like that
she's sitting here
saying that she's black. Yeah, okay.
It's like if I want to be called
No,
so if you got to call me the name I want
cuz At least you're being consistent.
You're not being consistent. So, at
least you're saying that yes, any person
can just say whatever they are and we
have to accept it. If they feel deep
down and they went through middle school
and they felt that they were black, then
we have to suddenly accept it.
saying that I would disrespect her for
saying like I wouldn't be like, "You're
not." Because to be honest, that's got
nothing to do with me.
disrespectful to say it's reality.
it is costume-y. And that's going back
to what we said before, which is a major
issue, is that the blurred the lines get
blurred because of of being a costume.
And trans is not a costume. It's not a
cloak. When I take this off, is that But
but the thing is, once again, it still
comes down to the individual
scenario. And that is what it is because
I want to say that the thing that I get
thrown at me all the time, which people
obviously think hurts me and it doesn't,
it's laughable, is people are like,
"Okay, you say you're trans, well, I'm a
unicorn or I'm a cloud." I mean, it's
ridiculous. How is it comparable? Well,
it we do We do Okay. We do currently
have children that are saying that they
are trans species, so that's a reality.
There are are kids that are saying that
they're cats, that they're dogs. We have
to respect it.
At least you're being ideologically
consistent. At least you're being
consistent and Because that's fair. But
I'm not saying he's wrong because
But you said Rachel Dolezal wasn't
black. Because of what I'm saying is the
what what I'm saying
like we are living in a society where we
have rules and regulations, right? And
we have we have a government. We go to
jail when we do wrong, right? So, it is
the wild, wild west. So, there's things
that get better and people get more
honest, and then there's also people who
abuse the honesty cuz now it's changing
into something that's like um the in
thing. There's people who are really in
it for real, and then there's people who
are just kind of Yeah, imitators.
But, you're not an imitator. Like, you
went through the whole thing.
Exactly. And I know who I am, and it's
not a joke, and it's not a costume. And
I wanted to double back on something
really important. And obviously, it's
your opinion, so I don't even want to be
disrespectful on it. But, I know a lot
of times you've stated that um you know,
trans being transgender cuz I don't like
the word transgenderism is um a mental
disorder. But, you know, that the APA
states that it's not a mental disorder
at all. And they're psychiatrists.
They're trained psychiatrists, and I
knew you probably knew I'd bring this
up. But, you know, the APA states that
it's not a mental disorder at all. So,
that's the American Psychiatric
Association, and also the World Health
Order. And what they state is that it's
actually just obviously gender
dysphoria. And then the description from
gender dysphoria is the feeling of
distress from gender dysphoria. But,
then the interesting thing about this,
and I want to bring this to you cuz this
is, you know, I know that's your
statement and that's mine. But, what's
interesting even about that to show how
everyone is so unique is I don't even
have gender dysphoria anymore because I
don't ever feel walk around feeling like
a guy. And let's just So, see how it's
so Like gender dysphoria is just
something that we're all all getting
educated. Yeah, so gender dysphoria is
when trans people feel dysphoric about
like their gender. So, in the sense of a
trans woman being like, "Oh my god, I
feel, you know, manly today. I feel like
a guy. I feel like blah, blah, blah."
And it brings them down, and that's what
causes feelings of distress. And that's
why it's not considered a disorder
because it's a feeling of anxiety about
that thing about you. But, for me to
double on that, I'm like, but I don't
wake up and ever see a guy feel like a
guy. So, I don't have gender dysphoria.
So, everything and every individual is
different and that's why I'll always
preach that point, but it's not a
disorder. I don't have a mental
disorder. Like, I don't even think about
this on a day-to-day basis, but I am
willing to come to the forefront and
speak about trans rights and transness
because I am, but I always want to show
people worldwide that you can clearly
see we're all different and You know
what I wish? Like, I wish some of the
guys
that that, you know, that are
like in love and infatuated in this
relationship, I wish they would come out
and be like, "Yo, this is what it is."
Cuz some of them are my friends. And I'm
like, you whenever you feel like it, but
you not wrong. And I'm not going to say
nothing to none of the homies, but y'all
got to speak up, too, and just come out
in love and hug and do
and and show
the compatibility Yeah. with what y'all
like and what what what's going on in
the real world.
Yeah. So, I just want to go way back
because there's there I do feel there is
this intentional speeding through the
Rachel Dolezal point before we get to
the psychological, which there's a
reason why the APA, which is in charge
of
psychology, is even commenting on this
issue because they know that it's a
psychiatric issue or they wouldn't have
to comment on it.
Um, so
Rachel Dolezal, I want to go back to cuz
this is a very important point and I do
feel you're paddling past because you
realize this. It's it's I know what it
is. I don't know what it is.
it is. I'm flashing back. Okay, well, I
it doesn't matter. Let's let's say any
individual. Yeah. This is an This is an
individual who is committed and living
as a black person when in fact they were
born with parents that are whiter than
snow. So, nobody was black. No, nobody
not even not even a drop of
not even like
I'm pretty sure I've seen this on my
watch or something. A Spanish song,
probably. Never got listen to a Spanish
song. There's not even a draw
I among the lines of what you're talking
about because I think I've seen it on
watch or whatever.
yeah, instantly said, and have held to
the point that Rachel Dolezal is not a
black person. So, if Rachel Dolezal is
not a black person, but believes that
she is a black person on the inside,
what is Rachel Dolezal suffering from?
So, for me personally, like I will say
once again because I don't know her
story, but based on what you're telling
me, I will go back to the point every
time that what it sounds like is that
she's costuming. That's what it is to
me. If Rachel believes she's black,
that's not only not my place to comment
on. I don't know that girl, so it
doesn't bother me. But if someone
doesn't believe in what she's doing is
right, if it's publicized or whatever,
that's their opinion. But do I think
that she has a mental disorder? My
answer is who am I to even comment on
that?
Yeah, like I think I think I'm a psycho.
Let me Let me just Let me just finish.
idea.
I agree with you about Rachel Dolezal.
She is costuming. Right. But does she
have a mental disorder?
Yeah. If you are living your life as
something that you are not, and you
believe inside of you that you are this,
she's not hurting anybody, but she is
suffering from a mental disorder, okay?
And now this is where This is where
things get tricky. So,
you and Rachel Dolezal are
actually
embodying the exact same thing, right?
Both of you believe
But but that Anybody watching this is
going this is a very valid point. Both
of you believe that you are something
that you are not, and you have gone
through extremities to live as something
that you are not. You're not But this is
a costume, and that's my point. What
exa- Everything you are saying to Rachel
Dolezal, you could say to yourself,
right? Rachel Dolezal could share a
story Let me just give this out. Rachel
Dolezal could share a story and say,
"You know, from a time I I a kid, when I
was four, my mom looked down at me and
said that you were showing
characteristics of being black. And then
when I was in school, everyone was like,
"Rachel, kind of like, you know, one of
the black girls."
kind of big, too, right? Yeah, Rachel
was kind of big. I That's what I'm
saying. I remember. No, no, no, I do. I
like I like talking.
You got to you know, you look like a
black girl. And then next thing you
know,
Rachel at 17 years old was going to
Christian school and was like, "You know
what? I'm ready to do the first thing."
And so Rachel Rachel went and got her
hair cornrows.
she was mixed.
She got her hair cornrows. She said she
was mixed. And then she started wearing
the the makeup, getting tanned, all this
stuff. And then next thing you know,
Rachel Dolezal fully believed. And so
I'm out here like, "Justice for Rachel
Dolezal." Because if you're out here
saying that you're a woman, then Rachel
Dolezal has every right to be a black
person. And the reason why Rachel
Dolezal, that case study makes you
uncomfortable, is because it hits at the
truth. It hits at an objective reality,
which is that you cannot just say
because you're willing to get surgery or
because you're willing to do your hair
certain way or that you're or that
you're willing to wear makeup that you
are something that you're not. Now, that
said, I don't have an issue. Like,
there's nothing that you're doing. I
think this is where like it gets mixed
up where people pretend there's some
attack happening or we're saying that,
you know, you need to be put into camps.
No, I think actually you're very nice
person. You're just not a woman and
you're never going to be a woman. But
you
that. But I know that. Right, exactly.
all I wanted to make that point. But
people weaponized that. See, people
people love being like, "You're not a
woman." And I'm like, "Yeah, cool. Great
point. I agree." And then where did they
go? Cuz see, they're weaponizing it
because they want to put us down. Like,
"You're not a real girl. You never will
be." Yeah, I'm aware. I have a mother
and three sisters. Like, I'm well aware.
And I'm okay with that. And I love the
way I am. And even with Rachel, to go
back to your point, if Rachel wants to
be that way, go ahead, girl. Get your
life.
That's what I'm saying.
But see, so it's not me being
contradictory. Because the question was
is yes, I feel she's costuming. But
girl, get your life. If you want to do
that, do it, but it always comes back to
us being delusional, but we're not. We
know we're not biological women, so it's
cool.
And that's And that's see now we can all
be friends.
of
it.
I want to ask you a question cuz cuz I
actually find your energy like you know,
like I feel like you're a strong woman,
you're wise, you're intellectual, and I
actually get good energy off you. I'm
like an energy kind of gal, and I want
to ask you in I know it's only been a
short time, but us conversing and you
know, I can tell you're listening when
I'm talking about my upbringing and
stuff. Do you see me as like a woman, a
trans woman, and stuff, or do you see me
as like he and like a costume? I think
that you're wearing a costume. Okay. And
And do you see me as a boy, or do you
see me as a trans woman?
I mean I just feel
side? I just think that we've adopted
these words. I think that you have
gender dysphoria. Right. You feel
happier in this body.
meaning physicality cuz obviously you've
listened
Any person I could get re-gendered. I
mean makeup
Oh, no way, right?
No, no, but I'm I'm saying like you
know, I you could Have you seen X-Men? I
mean Charlize Theron the makeup I'm more
asking about my I'm more asking about my
physicality, but even without makeup
like I can get photos and send you with
me with no makeup, no editing, whatever.
I'm more meaning like in the sense cuz
this is also a huge topic that and in um
the trans community we call it um being
real or being passable. Those are just
like street languages, and um you know,
it it doubles back to the fact that I
don't sit on a couch at a restaurant or
at a bus stop or whatever and be like
trans or whatever. I actually pass as a
biological female. So then it becomes my
responsibility to every day educate
people that I am trans, and that's
usually out of respect because I like to
be honest with men. I don't like to you
know, deceive anyone or lie or whatever,
but my thing is is if we were having a
conversation and it wasn't about this
and we were just vibing, or if I went to
your church and stuff,
Like you're not looking at me as like a
boy or like glam Ryan glam. Well, if to
be fair I I since I knew you were coming
here I feel like it's not a fair
question to ask because but to be clear
there are tons of especially today uh
you could literally look at somebody on
the internet and never know that they
lived as the opposite sex.
And that's that it or they were born um
as as the sex that they're not
presenting rather is the best better way
to say it. But to me
I I don't know like for me I think that
it's just dishonesty. Do you know what I
mean?
If you're not being on If you're not
being on
Like one time and I never told nobody
this. But I put on a wig one time,
right?
Y'all. And so when I put on the wig
because I was trying to get into this
other character. So I put on the wig, I
looked in the mirror and I went, "Oh my
god." And I was attracted to me.
Y'all. So I took the wig off.
Ryan is the key. And I went "What just
happened?"
He was in character. I didn't know what
happened but I was like
though. Cuz I had it on and I went like
that cuz it was in my it was in my um
eye. So I went like that and I took it
off because I was attracted to me.
Y'all.
And and I love me but I didn't know I
love me like that.
Like I look good. So I never did it
again.
Okay, I'm so happy that that you shared
that. Yeah, I don't know why but I felt
like it's good to just be vulnerable
here. But yeah, that's what happened to
me. This is a safe space. Yeah, thank
you. And I I want to I I
think you would make a gorgeous woman.
No, I just liked me. I was like, "Damn."
And then I went, "Oh, that's me."
I think one of the things that when when
conservatives are speaking with people
on this issue and people think that it's
so hardcore and some of the I guess
belligerence that I think
people are sensing and there is a
belligerence there and the belligerence
is coming from the fact that what used
to be a very small minority of people
who were suffering from gender dysphoria
has now been mainstreamed and it's
become a social contagion and I feel
particularly responsive to it because I
did sit down with a person named Briana.
I don't know if you had time to watch
this um interview that I did. Briana is
still
identifies as transgender. He was very
kind. He and I sat down and he
basically reached out to me because he,
like you, decided to go through with the
procedure. Things went very wrong. Um
yeah. Oh yeah, and everything went
wrong. Um yeah, and at the end of the
day Briana realized he was just a gay
guy and basically fell into the trap of
meeting seeing people online, seeing
these shows that were produced who made
them think it was going to be this easy
thing and you were going to be happier
on the other side when the majority of
the people actually aren't. We know for
a fact that um suicide rates increase
after transitioning, which they don't
share. And so it feels to me and
especially and I can actually see you,
Ray J, because you're presenting a show
here and you're going to contribute to
this culture of people thinking, just
like Briana Ivy did, that this is just
oh this is a decision that's going to be
super easy and this is just actually who
you are and this is who you were born
and this is who you can be and that to
me is just such a demonstrable lie and
it's a lie that's hurting children. You
know, if children are wanting to be like
Ray J and thinking that this is cool and
I'm going to hang out with some trans
people and it's going to be dope and
they're having their entire lives, like
that was the only time I almost cried on
my show was when Briana was just boohoo
crying sharing how deformed he is, how
he wish he had heard voices like mine
saying like you need to wait because you
are going down a path and you're paying
attention to culture, which is just
trying to sell you the new cigarette.
right? And listen to the education that
like hopefully now we can provide. We
have the Gage Agency. We have Gayd RP R.
I have a Ray Pride, which is a C3. And
and I think we have the Girls Club. And
I think it's just having these
conversations where people who are
straight and people who are gay, people
who are trans, they could all just sit
down and just just talk it through,
right? As you watch that, you start to
understand and get educated on a lot of
different things and I think that's the
most important is being able to have
these conversations with different
people who have different opinions and
different perspectives on life, coming
together and we're able to have this
debate and these understandings and even
if the first two or three debates don't
go right, the fifth one might. You know,
the sixth the sixth or seventh one
might. As long as we give each other
time because everybody's here now.
Everybody's and everybody's strong.
The communities are strong, you know,
the LGBTQ is extremely strong and
they're supportive and they're down to
support people who are willing to
understand. Same with the straights and
I say the straights now because I've
been right, it's the you know, the
straights, right? And you know, um
Um and that's just because I've been in
both worlds a lot lately and I feel
good. I feel good that we're all able to
talk. I feel good that we're able to sit
and have this debate without it going
way to the left or way to the right.
Right. Um and I think we need more we
need more of this. Yeah, and I want to
double on his point as well because Ray
doesn't even understand sometimes as you
know, he's the CEO of Tronix and Ray's
just going to be Ray, but he doesn't
understand the power and impact in a
positive way he has on us because we're
able to be very hands-on with this
network and show and we're able to come
around and have access to someone like
Ray that's a producer that most people
in cars just do it and get turfed or you
know, it's like shows over, see you
later. We've been able after the show
has wrapped to be able to have intense,
personal, private, whatever
conversations with Ray and really talk
about real things. Like I've
I mean, my experience is I I I can't
believe I can't talk about everything.
Yeah, some loud things that I think we
can continue to elaborate on
as we all grow together. Yeah, and I
wanted to make a point as well that we
don't sit there and get told what we
want to hear. Some of these
conversations are hard to have. Um,
there might be disagreements. Sometimes
people, not saying Ray, but might say
something offensive. So, it's not them
just sitting in the room telling us
trans girls what we want to hear. And
you know, and I had a lot of things that
I had things that happened to me that
that that shocked me and that y'all
helped guide me through that we can
elaborate on later cuz that's another
and I don't want to I don't want to go
too viral. But, um, you know, um, but
you know, it it is it is always good to
be able to talk and disagree, agree, and
it's not intensely uncomfortable, but
it's fun. And I think um, there's a just
a level of respect and you having us on
today just speaks volumes on like, you
know, you and what you represent and how
you giving us the opportunity to to talk
and and and debate and get an
understanding cuz a lot of people, you
know, listen to you. A lot of people are
supportive of the trans community, the
gay community, and together
bridging the gap at least just for
mutual understanding um, and respect
from all sides is really strong and it
really it really breaks it open the
door. I always think being respectful is
super important and I'm grateful that
you guys respect that, you know, my
opinions haven't changed on the issue
and one of the biggest reasons which I
wanted to communicate to you from the
conservative community and why we feel
like we have to be
so strong on And that the conservative
community meaning the straight community
or just the conservative community or
conservative politically conservative.
And the reason why this matters so much,
especially deeply for those of us who
have kids and see what's happening in
the school system, is because at the
moment that you [clears throat] say that
there is no objective reality,
everything becomes possible. And some
people hear that and they're like, "Yay,
Disney world, everything becomes
possible." But the reality is is that if
you say there's no such thing as a male
and there's no such thing as a female
and anybody can decide what they are
when they want. They can say, "I'm a
different race. I'm transracial. You
know, I I'm transsexual. I'm
transgendered." Then at eventu-
eventually and very quickly we will wind
up at people saying that and there have
been examples of this, people saying
that they're actually a different age.
So you have a 60-year-old man, but it's
not funny cuz this is real. But you This
is real. You have a 60-year-old man who
is saying that he self-identifies as a
13-year-old and these people go and they
commit acts of pedophilia. This has
happened, right?
places and they have places where they
go and be babies and they like
Right, exactly. So and this is real. So
this is and this is all going to get
added onto the LGBT
people like that because I've heard that
in different statements and once again,
it's like crazy that as a trans person
under the umbrella, I'm just lumped with
these people because But maybe that's
their perception.
I get that you don't but it is,
ideologically speaking, the same thing.
If we don't say that there is an
objective reality, it would actually be
better if a trans person said,
"I accept this is actually a mental
disorder. I don't want to say to people
Cuz by the way, people have other mental
disorders. Bipolar.
People have this.
Is there another word can I say besides
mental disorder? But because it is some
it is because this is But I don't think
this is triggering. I don't know why
suddenly people are so triggered by
this. It's your mental and something is
out of order.
it's not real, Ken. But it's not People
are
People don't like to eat food because
they want to be Just give me 1 second.
Let me just get through this, okay? It
is It is, right? So there can be people,
that's right who have body dysmorphia.
That is a mental disorder. You have
people who are anorexic. I used to have
anorexia. I had a mental disorder, okay?
I was tiny, okay, and I was doing it as
a control mechanism. I was very happy.
In fact, the only way to actually get
better was to accept that this is a
mental disorder, okay? I don't have an
issue with that term. I don't think it's
a problem because at varying points in
people's lives, your mental can get out
of order. The issue when you don't
acknowledge that it is a mental disorder
and you instead just insist that like
this is a normal thing and people are
born this way means it becomes
impossible to attack that person.
Ideologically speaking, if you start
making laws and saying this is real,
then that guy who says, "I'm 63 years
old and I believe it I am 12 on the
inside. I never grew up. This is who I
am. Peter Pan sent me to Neverland." And
he molests a another girl and he goes
into the courtroom and he says, "No, I'm
13. Objective reality is what I feel,
right? It's how I feel on the inside and
I actually, your honor, feel that I'm
actually 16." It's the law. Now, here's
a question.
But, here's a question. But, this is why
we have to be a guard and this is I'm
speaking out on behalf of conservatives.
We have to be a guard and we have to say
objective reality exists, okay?
Objectively speaking, bipolar, it's a
disorder. Anorexia, it's a mental
disorder. Transgenderism, body
dysmorphia is mental disorder. These are
all mental disorders, right? And there
are there are
a mental disorder. Being trans is not a
mental disorder. So, we have to stick to
the facts. It is not anorexia and
schizophrenia is not.
they're skinny, you say that's you have
a mental disorder, I got a good
question.
and you but you're saying that you are a
male, you believe you're a woman and
that's not a mental disorder.
I'm just being specific. Trans and
anorexia
mental disorder and not mental disorder.
The APA. You only have to ask the APA.
These are trained psychiatrists. And I
understand that conservatives will want
to say that's to fill an objective, but
at the end of the day it is what it is.
Well, they just updated that manual
in the last couple of years.
Yes, exactly because it was it was
but no, but it was misinformation
and conservatives in the past have
they'll update that same manual and they
will say that minor-attracted people,
which is a term that they're tossing
around now cuz they're saying it's
offensive to call them pedophiles and we
should instead call them minor-attracted
people. Someday they're going to push to
update the manual then, which is why I
insist on being a guard against that.
And that's illegal and I don't want that
attached to anything to, you know, what
LGBT people
feel about that? Talking about people
saying I identify as a 12-year-old.
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Damn, my hand was up for so long I
forgot what I was going to say. Well, um
I want to say
Damn, I had something good I wanted to
say.
I feel like
I want to know this. This is a good
question.
How many people in the world
are suffering from some kind of mental
disorder? Is it majority of the world?
Is it 89%? 93%? 43%? 2%? Right? That I
will understand where we all are
mentally, right? Because sometimes
you'll have it this phase and you'll get
out of it this phase, right? Like you
said, you had a phase you went through
and now you're you're out of it, right?
How many people in the world are
statistically
suffering from a mental disorder?
Because I think that's how we'll
respect the word mental disorder as
opposed to
um your perspective in life. It just
means that your your mental your mental
is out of whack.
But how many people in this world are
going through that? I mean, we have we
probably won't be able to figure it out
now, but that's a very good question.
Because that will give us a a good scope
on people's perception of what a mental
disorder is.
I I I I generally don't say that to be
triggering. I I like I said, I
No, I'm fine with it. It just sometimes
it triggers I'm fine. I've had mental
I've been mental I've been mental
disordered from the beginning, right?
You know, I think it's I think it's I
think it's triggers I think it triggers
you because you've gotten it your whole
life and it's
a trigger, but my point is is that I
have to represent not only myself, but
the community to put out the information
out there that's factual. And I know
you're a boss with that. You're all
about the facts. The facts are that it's
not a disorder. And we got to do a poll
But I understand that some people's
opinions I get it. But I just think that
when when people see this and obviously
the internet will internet, but when
they hear you call Rachel Dolezal, like
that's crazy. When they hear you say
like, oh, the idea of identifying as a
different age is crazy, but then you
being like, but this No, I don't want to
I want to I want to be very specific
with my words. I don't want you to be
specific No, but I'm very specific with
my words.
you to be I want you to give us I want
you to give us time to go back and
analyze the question in its entirety
because as I've done my study I've as
I've I've done I've studied a lot of
things that I've seen, right? That
question is a very very
last question of all that kind of likes
puts the wall up on
on
a wall. It's just telling you that it
doesn't make sense. That's it, right?
And that's what So you feel like it's a
wall because you're like, "Oh wait,
suddenly I realize this doesn't make
sense." And then and it's just a
slippery slope and now we can end up a
pedophile.
question.
Yeah, it's a great question for a reason
because it it instantly lets you
realize, "Hey, we have there is such a
thing as an objective truth." And if you
cannot be ideologically consistent, then
your idea makes no sense. That's
But it's still it's still a layer
it's a layer of
race.
Black. A person who just thinks that
they're a race does not make them so.
A person who thinks that they're a
gender does not make them so. Both can
play dress-up. Can I make a point? You
brought up Rachel Dolezal.
And I think we need to go back and like
analyze the question a lot more. And
let's I let us dissect the question.
It's a very
It's a very powerful question.
[laughter] But I I think that that's
interesting that that's brought up that
the you know, they're going to jump on
that, but I know what I said on camera.
So that's fine. They can say what they
say, but it's just an Islamic question.
But you see Rachel for that, but I never
called her crazy. And I always was
respectful that if she wants to live
that, that's her choice. By the way, we
all feel that way, but they will hear
you say that she is not black. And then
here and then hear you say, "But I am a
woman."
What happened Hold on because I said I'm
not a biological woman.
That's fine. That's fine. And she's not
a biological black person, but neither
of you are. You're you're both
I'm identifying as woman.
I got a lot of white friends as well.
I'm earning what I am. So that theory
doesn't work. If I was sitting here
saying that I was biological woman, I
feel like I would fit in her category.
And that's the truth.
think she said she was a biological
black person. No, that's what the whole
statement was that she was telling
everyone from the city that she was
Yeah, yeah, you could be in a it could
be in a
black neighborhood or it could be in
like a cultural neighborhood like we
grew up in.
She has been embedded in the community
and and she has been crowned and she has
been she has been blessed and
she just came out and said I'm
transracial and then lived as a black
person, then you would say we're the
same.
No, because for me, I own that I'm not a
biological woman and that I'm a trans
woman. So, that's why I feel like so
many people take harm from it
respectfully because there hasn't been
chats like this before where people like
me have spoken out and said that. And
that's going to gag people
because people are like, "Oh, I didn't
know that. I thought you go around
saying you're biological." And that's
the point that I'm trying to make.
Everything is so specific and when you
start lumping it into terms and into
categories, it doesn't work like that.
That's not life. We have to be specific
with different people in different
scenarios. Me and next to the next trans
girl, we might not meet eye to eye at
all and you might be like, "I can
understand you, but I don't understand
what they're saying cuz it's just out of
field."
This is a This is a great debate because
we're actually talking it through. And I
think there's so many there's so much
more of it that needs to happen. Like
this is a continuous thing that needs to
happen. We would love to do a monthly
week like a weekly
tell us, Rajee, just so we can wrap this
up. And by the way, I do think this has
been a very constructive conversation
and I I feel at the very least respected
in the fact that you recognize that you
and I are not the same. And that and I
will tell you of But we are the same.
We're all humans. Yeah, we're all
humans. Well, you know what I mean by
that. I feel I feel that that's a huge
issue that a lot of women have where
it's like I can just tomorrow decide to
be you and I'm like, I have like I'm a
woman.
respect you and honestly, I'm so glad I
came because I feel like when the
cameras are off and when you're just
vibing and having a chat, I know just
even by the look in your eyes, I know
like you can kind of get it and I get
it. But the thing is, we can also agree
to disagree and there's things that
we're just not going to meet eye and
eye. But it's This is why when you have
a debate and when you have a
conversation, you have to be specific
and I might not be eye to eye today, but
tomorrow's a new day. Yeah. Maybe you
could mentor me in a few days. Maybe I
could teach you a I think you're and I
think you're very kind and you're
seriously like and and and brave to come
on here and have this conversation where
most just talk trash on the internet and
haven't thought about it. No, don't be
nice. I've been like I'm super nice.
That's very That's very sweet.
maybe they tell us about the show and
closing tell us about the show that
Danielle's going to be on.
Yes. Well, the show is out now. It's on
a new It's on our new streaming
platform. It's called Tronics Network, t
r o n i x network, and it's called The
Gworls Club. I don't I'm not good at
saying the gwo the gwo The Gworls Club.
You know, the gworls spelled g w o r l
s.
Um and it has this little like, you
know, swing to the way you're saying it,
The Gworls Club. I just kind of keep it
bland, but um it's a it's a really
powerful show, and um
it's one of our shows that we've really
took time to make sure everybody's story
is told correctly. Um you know, our our
goal on this new network is not to
benefit off the demise of the drama,
right? It's really to uplift the talent,
uplift the creators, and inside of this
dramatic world we live in, you you know,
you kind of just follow um just follow
the story, and it's a really I mean, the
ladies on this show are just like I'm so
happy that we're having this debate us
because um
you know, we all listen to each other,
and we all try to understand what each
other's saying. Whether we agreed or
disagreed, some of the other talent
might have went all the way into another
world, but
that's because they didn't see this.
You're now watching this. Yeah. Um we'll
just give people a an insight on how to
debate, um and and and really just try
to like get people to understand
different perspectives, and and you've
given us that opportunity. And where can
people find you, Danielle? Um on
Instagram @daniellealexis,
and that's Danielle with two eyes. Okay.
Well, guys, I just want to say thanks
for tuning in for this conversation and
if you go and you want to find Danielle,
always be respectful. You know what we
believe here on the show is in radical
free speech. Let the best ideas win. We
don't believe in denigrating people and
calling them names. That is immediately
means that you've lost the argument.
Would love to hear your feedback in the
comments and we will see you guys for
another episode soon.
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