Candace Owens Addresses Anti-Semitism Accusations, Free Speech, and Biblical Views on Don Lemon Interview

[00:00] Are you homophobic?

[00:03] >> No. Seriously, I such an absurd I

[00:05] thought you would say, "Of course I have

[00:06] gay friends." You're just such an absurd

[00:08] name. First off,

[00:09] >> my question to you is, and people

[00:11] because people think that you are, are

[00:12] you anti-Semitic?

[00:14] >> No, I'm not anti-Semitic.

[00:18] >> Go on.

[00:19] >> Go on with what? You asked me a

[00:21] question. I answered it.

[00:22] >> You're You said

[00:23] >> I don't need to launch a defense of

[00:24] myself because I'm just not

[00:25] anti-Semitic. There's no there's nothing

[00:26] here I need to add. I just I guess today

[00:29] anti-semitism the definition keeps

[00:31] expanding and and now I guess it means

[00:32] if you don't fall over yourself every

[00:34] time BB Netany and Yahoo speaks they're

[00:35] just going to call you an anti-semite.

[00:37] Uh nope. I'm a Christian. Kids being

[00:39] bombed is upsetting to me and I have a

[00:41] right to say that without being called

[00:42] an anti-semite and if you want to call

[00:44] me an anti-semite for it I simply don't

[00:45] care. I just

[00:46] >> I'm not calling you an anti-semite. I

[00:47] because people call you that. And I

[00:48] think look if you um you know there's a

[00:51] you know the whole I the whole talk

[00:52] about Zionism and anti-semitism and

[00:55] whatever. I think it's a conversation

[00:56] that you just can't win. But I would

[00:58] like to for you to be able to explain

[01:01] yourself because

[01:01] >> yeah, Judaism is not Zionism and it

[01:03] doesn't matter how many people insist

[01:04] that it is. It's just not. It's a

[01:06] political party and it's it's it puts

[01:08] the interests of Israel above everything

[01:10] else. I grew up with Jewish people.

[01:12] Jewish people are my best friends. This

[01:13] is the nation of Israel is not Judaism.

[01:15] It's it's it's a nonsense to suggest

[01:17] that we can critique, as we did earlier

[01:19] talking about Joe Biden, that we can

[01:20] critique our own president and nobody

[01:22] cares because we should. you should be

[01:24] able to hold leaders and their decisions

[01:25] and their feet to the fire and then to

[01:27] say that if you do the exact same thing

[01:28] over what BB Netanyahu's actions are,

[01:30] then you're somehow anti-Semitic.

[01:32] >> Okay, I understand that and I don't

[01:33] disagree. I think you can you can uh

[01:36] criticize and analyze the actions of the

[01:38] Israeli government, the IDF, and also uh

[01:41] BB Netanyahu. But to say that you

[01:43] listen, you know, I'm not anti-Semitic

[01:45] because I have Jewish friends, that's

[01:47] kind of like saying I have black

[01:48] friends. I don't think that actually

[01:49] helps your argument, Kim.

[01:51] >> No, I didn't say that. I what I was what

[01:52] I was saying is that I have Jewish

[01:54] friends. Judaism is not Zionism. As in I

[01:56] have friends who are Jewish who don't

[01:57] support what's happening overseas.

[01:58] >> Okay.

[01:59] >> Judaism is not Zionism. They don't stop

[02:00] being Jewish because they disagree with

[02:02] what Netanyahu is doing.

[02:03] >> Okay. You say that you're not

[02:04] anti-Semitic, but you know I I can't

[02:06] tell you what's in your heart. I believe

[02:08] you. You said that you're not

[02:08] anti-Semitic. You don't believe that

[02:10] you're anti-Semitic. But there are

[02:12] anti-semites and neo-Nazis. They do love

[02:14] you. And I want to play this clip. This

[02:16] is from Nick Fuentes uh his show just

[02:18] this week. Watch this.

[02:20] One other big development, Candace Owens

[02:22] did a show today. She did her show and

[02:25] she talked about my beef with Jordan

[02:27] Peterson and so I really appreciate her

[02:31] covering it. We love Candace Owens.

[02:33] She's beautiful. She's very intelligent

[02:35] and she is really hardcore. She's been

[02:37] going off. Does that bother you that um

[02:41] and that's why that's the whole reason I

[02:43] said, you know, it looks this way and

[02:45] maybe that's not your intention as you

[02:46] said, but it looks this way. like you're

[02:48] saying, hey, don't look at what happened

[02:49] with the Holocaust. Look over look over

[02:51] here. But if you have people like Nick

[02:53] Fuentes who said, hey, we love you,

[02:54] whatever. Um, maybe your message isn't

[02:58] hitting correctly. What do you think of

[02:59] of Fuentes saying that?

[03:00] >> Well, now now you're just neo-Nazi

[03:02] audience love you.

[03:03] >> Sure. So now you're just conflating

[03:05] things because you're you're still kind

[03:06] of trying to sell this narrative that

[03:08] this somehow is about Jewish people.

[03:09] What Nick Fuentes is talking about,

[03:11] which this is the first time I'm seeing

[03:12] it because I don't watch Nick Fuentes

[03:14] nearly as much as apparently everybody

[03:15] in the mainstream media does. What he's

[03:17] talking about is what I covered on my

[03:19] show as a news item, which was Jordan

[03:20] Peterson and him having a back and forth

[03:22] where Michaela, Dr. Jordan Peterson, is

[03:24] by the way very lovely, a very kind

[03:25] person, but it was a very newsworthy

[03:27] item when Nick Michaela and Peterson

[03:30] being his daughter, uh, called for

[03:32] censorship. Called for straight up

[03:34] censorship. She's like, "We need to have

[03:36] censorship. Anybody that uses the term

[03:38] filth and it was a back forth between

[03:40] her and Nick Fuentes because he

[03:41] responded and he said, "Your father

[03:43] literally called me a rat last week."

[03:45] This was a trending item on Twitter. I

[03:47] covered it on my show. To the extent

[03:49] that Nick Fuentes enjoyed the fact that

[03:51] I covered it in a meaningful capacity

[03:52] because it is problematic when anybody

[03:54] calls for censorship. I don't care if

[03:55] the person's on the left or the person's

[03:56] on the right. You don't make an enemy of

[03:58] me because I support the First Amendment

[03:59] and I believe that we have to have free

[04:01] speech. What can I say about that? You

[04:03] know, it's an absurd thing for people to

[04:06] keep pretending. I'm a person that has

[04:08] across social media 10 million followers

[04:11] and and when you start getting desperate

[04:13] because you can't actually pull

[04:14] something that I've said, you start

[04:16] going, "Well, what do you think about

[04:17] this account and this person has also

[04:19] said this and this person likes you. If

[04:22] you did that and I was then accountable

[04:23] for the words that every single person

[04:25] that followed me said, there's no way

[04:26] you can survive that. I could do that

[04:28] right now to you. I could have had my

[04:29] producers look at this person who

[04:30] follows Don Lemon. They've said

[04:32] something against black people. So Don

[04:33] li it's like that's that's a ridiculous

[04:34] thing to say to the extent that you ask

[04:36] me and this has happened before as Piers

[04:38] Morgan did. He said and and he said you

[04:40] know this is some things that Nick Fund

[04:42] has said. Do you agree with it? And I

[04:43] said no I don't agree with that.

[04:44] >> Hold me accountable for what I actually

[04:46] said.

[04:46] >> Well that was the reason I asked you

[04:47] about it because

[04:48] >> yeah but I don't

[04:50] I'm not I'm not it's this is not a

[04:52] gotcha. I'm asking you

[04:53] >> but that is such a gotcha. That is such

[04:54] a gotcha to say it's nothing that you

[04:56] said, but let me show you this person

[04:58] who likes you. Because what you're

[04:59] trying to do is play this strategy with

[05:02] the public so they watch it and they go,

[05:03] "Well, she must be saying all sorts of

[05:05] things if this person likes her." Most

[05:07] people do like if you're going to say

[05:08] something on their show and you're

[05:10] showing the back forth that, you know,

[05:11] he's obviously going to say, "Look,

[05:13] Hannah has covered this issue in a way

[05:14] that's consistent with the beliefs of

[05:16] the First Amendment." So he may say some

[05:18] he may say something that I

[05:19] fundamentally disagree with. But if Nick

[05:21] Fuentes says 1 plus 1 equals two and I

[05:24] agree with that. That doesn't mean that

[05:25] I subscribe to everything Nick Fuentes

[05:27] says. If Nick Fuentes says only women

[05:29] can give birth and I agree with that,

[05:31] you then go, "Oh, look, Nick Fuentes is

[05:32] celebrating you because you said only

[05:33] women can give birth." I mean, this is

[05:35] the you you're smarter than this, Don.

[05:36] You're in the public sphere. You know,

[05:38] we cannot be beholden or responsible for

[05:40] every comment that is made by people who

[05:41] support us and follow us. Well, that's

[05:43] why I put it up there because if someone

[05:46] like Nick Fuentes was saying good things

[05:48] about some of the things that I believed

[05:51] or what I said, that would actually be

[05:54] problematic for me and I would want to

[05:56] respond to that. I would welcome the

[05:59] opportunity for Candace Owens to play

[06:01] that clip on her show so that I could

[06:03] knock it down and say I don't believe in

[06:06] anything Nick Fuentes or any of his

[06:08] followers or viewers or whatever. I did.

[06:11] I don't understand why they are happy

[06:13] with what I said, but this is what I

[06:16] believe and this is the context.

[06:17] >> I do believe that it is problematic that

[06:19] Michaela Peterson called for censorship.

[06:21] So, I can't knock that down. I can't say

[06:23] like, "What do you want me to say,

[06:24] Michelle?" Well, because Nick Fontes

[06:25] agrees with that perspective. I'm now

[06:27] anti- speech. That doesn't I believe in

[06:29] free speech. I I believe that what

[06:30] Michaela Peterson said was wrong. I

[06:32] genuinely believe that.

[06:33] >> Okay.

[06:33] >> Like you you can't just call for

[06:35] censorship. I I' I've got to ask you

[06:37] about this because this is from your old

[06:39] show and as I said there are some things

[06:41] I mean you've actually defended me

[06:43] before and I was like wow Candace Owens

[06:44] whatever and there are things that I do

[06:46] where I say you know what Candace got it

[06:48] right I I like it and there are other

[06:49] things I'm like oh my gosh why the is

[06:52] she saying that right and this is one

[06:54] thing that I've been wanting to ask you

[06:56] about Candace because um it really

[06:59] bothered me and but I want the

[07:02] explanation in the context as you say

[07:04] >> you have any clips of anything that like

[07:06] you agreed with or we're just going to

[07:07] like pretend this is a friendly

[07:09] interview as you can like Okay, just

[07:11] wondering is there is there even one

[07:12] clip of something that you agree with?

[07:13] >> Uh I don't know. Maybe I agree with the

[07:15] next clip. But anyway, roll the next

[07:17] clip please.

[07:18] >> Bring shame back. Bring back saying you

[07:21] are disgusting, you are wrong, you are a

[07:24] hoe, you are a pervert. Call things for

[07:26] what they are. And that is another way

[07:28] that they have psychologically tried to

[07:30] transform speech in America by saying

[07:32] like, "Oh, okay, you have free speech,

[07:33] but if you say that word, like if you

[07:35] say like, oh, that's whack or that's

[07:36] gay, then that would make you a

[07:37] homophobe. You don't need a homophobe,

[07:38] do you?" It's no, no, no, no. We

[07:40] shouldn't do that. Um, and it's even

[07:41] been the disappearance of words that

[07:43] actually had real meanings. Like growing

[07:45] up, majoring in English, reading old

[07:47] English novels, and understanding that a

[07:49] word like is a real word. It means a

[07:52] bundle of sticks.

[07:53] >> Okay. So listen, you were listen I

[07:55] believe in free speech, right? But I

[07:57] also believe that free speech uh comes

[07:59] with consequences. So the word you said

[08:01] was right. Is that exactly the word? So

[08:04] um what did you mean by that? You think

[08:06] it's okay to say the word to call people

[08:08] a to their face?

[08:09] >> No, actually I said words have meaning.

[08:11] And so when you start allowing the

[08:12] perverts to dictate speech, then words

[08:14] just have to go away. And as I said in

[08:16] that clip, when I was growing up and I

[08:18] was reading English novels, when people

[08:20] say you're walking through the woods to

[08:21] get a it meant a bundle of sticks and

[08:24] then they said, "You can no longer say

[08:25] this word that has a real meaning,

[08:27] right? A bundle of sticks because some

[08:29] pervert took that and threw it as an

[08:31] epithet towards gay people." I think

[08:33] that's actually that's a a wrong way of

[08:35] thinking because then what you're doing

[08:36] is you're allowing perverts to dictate

[08:37] society. So I I I don't like the death

[08:40] of the English language because every

[08:42] people are getting offended. So that's

[08:43] like I could pick any word. I could say,

[08:44] you know, plant and from now on, every

[08:46] time I see a gay guy, I'm going to be

[08:47] like, he's a total plant. And then

[08:49] eventually they say you can't say plant

[08:50] anymore. It's like, no, no, no. This is

[08:51] a real word that has meaning. Attack the

[08:53] person who's perverting the word, but

[08:55] you don't you don't suddenly disappear a

[08:57] word and you say you can no longer say

[08:58] it or you can no longer read these

[09:00] Virginia Wolf novels because the word

[09:03] has been perverted. I don't think that's

[09:04] I think that's a backward Virginia Wolf

[09:06] novels. And the only people I know who

[09:08] who are trying to ban books, uh,

[09:11] Virginia Wolf and other books that even

[09:14] say the N-word, I mean, it's

[09:15] conservatives that that's who's trying

[09:17] to do it. I don't think that you should

[09:18] be banning books. I actually, but I do

[09:20] know, Candace, um, that words, language

[09:23] evolves over time. And when people say

[09:25] that word to me, they're not calling me

[09:28] a cigarette. They're not calling

[09:30] >> Obviously, that's the point. It has a

[09:32] context. if you want to punish that

[09:33] person because they're saying that

[09:35] offensively that you know if you if you

[09:38] feel that this person but it's not fair

[09:39] to then say to everybody else who's not

[09:41] using that word that this word has now

[09:42] been banned. I just think that's

[09:43] ridiculous. You know

[09:45] >> that's my point.

[09:45] >> You think people

[09:46] >> I don't think you can suddenly say go

[09:48] backwards and and delete words that had

[09:51] real meaning because someone has

[09:52] perverted it because then it never

[09:53] stops. It just it just becomes

[09:54] constantly having to update the language

[09:56] for people's feelings and I don't think

[09:57] that that we should be doing that.

[09:59] >> So you would never call me a my face,

[10:01] right? Well, I don't I Why would I just

[10:03] randomly call you a

[10:04] >> I'm just meaning I've seen Louis skit on

[10:08] Have you ever seen the Louis CK skit on

[10:12] >> uh No, I like Louis CK, but I don't

[10:13] think I've ever seen a skit on.

[10:14] >> You should watch it.

[10:15] >> Yeah. Um No, but you would never call

[10:17] like a gay person that to their face.

[10:20] >> That seems like an absurd like why. No,

[10:21] of course. I'm not just going around for

[10:23] I'm a 35-year-old mother. I don't go

[10:24] around being like, "Hey, you're a It's

[10:26] just like I'm not 18 years old." Like

[10:28] I'm not going around calling people

[10:29] names, period. I wouldn't go up to a fat

[10:31] person and call them names. I wouldn't

[10:32] call just like it's an absurd thing to

[10:34] be going around pointing and calling

[10:36] people names because I don't like them.

[10:38] I would No. So, the answer is no. I

[10:39] would not.

[10:40] >> Do you do you use the n-word?

[10:42] >> No, I don't.

[10:43] >> No. Okay. Here's something interesting

[10:46] that we may have some common ground on.

[10:48] Okay. Um and but what do you think about

[10:50] same-sex marriage?

[10:53] >> It's a sin.

[10:54] >> You think it's a sin? So, you think I'm

[10:55] sinful?

[10:56] >> What's that? You think I'm sin sinful

[10:58] because I'm married to a man?

[11:00] >> Yeah,

[11:00] >> you do.

[11:01] >> Yes, you're sinning. You are in a sinful

[11:03] relationship. I don't believe I actually

[11:04] don't believe marriage can be between

[11:06] two men. So, I don't

[11:08] >> But you understand though, Candace, and

[11:10] maybe we're not going to agree on this

[11:11] now. I thought we would. Do you

[11:13] understand though that um the same Bible

[11:18] verses and the same scriptures that are

[11:20] used um to

[11:24] call same-sex sex marriage sinful are

[11:27] used to call um interracial marriage

[11:30] sinful as well. And so there are people

[11:33] who would say that you are in a sinful

[11:34] marriage. Can you tell me which verse it

[11:36] is that would make people uh say

[11:38] >> it's well the thing is is that it's

[11:40] actually not there and that people twist

[11:42] the Bible verses. That's my whole point

[11:44] for Thank you for proving that because

[11:45] it doesn't say that and and it's

[11:47] actually you're going to say Leviticus

[11:49] or whatever. That's not actually what

[11:50] Leviticus says. But go on. I don't want

[11:51] to get into, you know, specifics about

[11:53] the Bible, but that's not what the Bible

[11:55] says. It's just people uh using and

[11:58] interpreting scripture in a way that

[12:00] they want to interpret it. So I I look,

[12:03] you can believe whatever you want to

[12:05] believe. I don't believe that I'm in a

[12:06] sin sinful marriage, but there are

[12:08] people who believe, Candace Owens, that

[12:10] you are in a sinful marriage because you

[12:12] are in an interracial marriage. And I

[12:14] say that as someone who is in an

[12:16] interracial marriage, so I am doubly

[12:19] sinful.

[12:20] >> Yeah. I've never heard anybody make a

[12:22] biblical argument against people being

[12:26] married that are black and white. So

[12:27] that's why I said, can you just tell me

[12:28] first? sodomy is obviously a sin, but

[12:33] I've never heard a biblical argument.

[12:34] I'm happy to learn. I honestly learn

[12:36] >> sodomy is not just for gay sex, right?

[12:39] You know that, right? Sodomy is

[12:40] >> Yeah. It's a sin always, by the way.

[12:41] >> Yeah. It's a sin between It can be a sin

[12:43] between heterosexuals as well.

[12:44] >> Yes, that's correct.

[12:45] >> So, okay. So, but um you've never heard

[12:49] that interracial marriage was sinful.

[12:51] I've never heard somebody make a

[12:52] biblical argument for inter. I've never

[12:55] and that's why I'm saying if you could

[12:56] present that to me and you if maybe

[12:58] you're familiar with

[12:59] >> not a biblical argument. It's also a

[13:01] religious argument uh as well more so

[13:03] than anything that you're in a simple

[13:04] marriage and that black and white people

[13:06] should not be married.

[13:07] >> I mean, I'm obviously very aware that

[13:09] people could think that ideologically,

[13:12] but I've never heard that biblical

[13:13] argument made ever in my life. And I'm

[13:15] I'm happy to be proven wrong here, but I

[13:17] think you maybe made that up on the spot

[13:19] there. So by saying that, no I didn't

[13:21] actually. But by saying that you believe

[13:23] that I'm in a sinful marriage, um does

[13:27] that mean though that I should be

[13:29] discriminated against?

[13:30] >> No, I've never called for

[13:31] discrimination.

[13:32] >> You believe in the separation of church

[13:33] and state then?

[13:34] >> Heterosexual couples can sin as well? I

[13:36] mean I I but I you know I hope that you

[13:40] deal with that. I obviously I want you

[13:43] to be Christian and to understand why it

[13:46] is that sodomy is a sin and what else it

[13:49] yields in society. You know I I believe

[13:52] that marriage is between a man and a

[13:53] woman.

[13:54] >> Yeah.

[13:54] >> But that doesn't mean that you believe

[13:56] that I should be discriminated against.

[13:57] I should be able under the constitution.

[14:00] You believe that I have the same rights

[14:02] as you and other heterosexuals and that

[14:04] my marriage is just as valid under the

[14:07] constitution as anybody else's. include

[14:10] this.

[14:11] >> Well, I believe that the problem became

[14:14] that that gets into a deeper theological

[14:15] discussion, but like the the government

[14:17] should have never taken marriage away

[14:18] from the church. It should have been

[14:19] something that m was maintained as a

[14:21] church practice. And so, a lot of things

[14:24] happened there when the government took

[14:25] over and began marrying people because

[14:27] then the arguments became, well, you get

[14:28] a tax break if you're married. And that

[14:30] is a way longer discussion that we can

[14:32] have in a different day. But to answer

[14:34] your question, I would never want any

[14:37] person based on their sins to ever be

[14:40] discriminated against. Ever. I mean, I I

[14:42] I don't believe in discrimination. I

[14:44] don't believe that people should be

[14:47] treated differently. I I I think people

[14:49] should get help, you know, like we were

[14:51] just talking about with trans

[14:52] indoctrination. I believe that's a

[14:53] mental illness and people should seek

[14:55] help, but I don't believe that they

[14:56] should be discriminated against. I would

[14:58] never be okay with that. I mean, I have

[14:59] people that are, you know, gay in

[15:02] lesbians in my life. I have cousins who

[15:04] are lesbians. So, it's not I don't have

[15:07] hatred.

[15:07] >> Do you have friends in my heart?

[15:09] >> You have Jewish friends. You have gay

[15:10] friends.

[15:12] >> You're trying to be funny.

[15:14] >> Do you have gay friends? I I want to

[15:16] know.

[15:17] >> Yes. I I I don't I actually don't have

[15:20] like I I really kind of feel like I only

[15:23] hang out with my family right now, so

[15:24] I'm a little I've got three kids under

[15:27] three, so I don't really have friends

[15:28] right now. But yeah, sure.

[15:29] >> No, but seriously, you you don't have

[15:30] gay friends?

[15:31] >> Well, I have I have gay people in my

[15:33] family, so I I Yeah, that's the extent

[15:35] of my friendships with gay people.

[15:39] >> Are you homophobic?

[15:42] >> No, seriously. I want

[15:44] >> I thought you would say, "Of course I

[15:45] have gay friends.

[15:46] >> You're just such an absurd." First off,

[15:48] the person that you're just an absurd

[15:51] human being. Are you homophobic? Oh my.

[15:53] It was just like what what does even

[15:55] what does homophobia actually mean? Can

[15:56] you give me a definition of homophobia?

[15:58] If I was homophobic, would I be doing

[15:59] like this show? Do you think I'm like

[16:00] scared? Like I'm like, "Oh my god, look,

[16:02] there's a gay man. I'm so scared. Let

[16:04] him have a phobia to have phobia. A fear

[16:07] of like, you know, you think I fear like

[16:10] two gay men that are walking down the

[16:12] street holding hands like and I'm just

[16:13] like, "Oh my god, I'm so scared." I

[16:15] don't fear I don't fear anything but

[16:17] God. That's it.