Candace Owens Exposes Turning Point USA's Wrongful Death Lawsuit Against Utah as Preemptive PR Strike

[00:01] All right, you guys. Happy Wednesday.

[00:03] Some news today. Some big news today,

[00:06] actually. Uh, Turning Point USA just

[00:08] makes me sick. And I have to be honest

[00:10] with you guys. I just know so much of

[00:12] what goes on behind the scenes that when

[00:14] I wake up on a day like today and I see

[00:16] them running another PR game, trying to

[00:19] delude the public into thinking that

[00:21] they want justice for Charlie, it just

[00:23] makes me sick. And that's what they're

[00:25] doing today. In case you missed it,

[00:26] there is basically wall-to-wall coverage

[00:28] regarding a pending wrongful death

[00:31] lawsuit that the Kirk family intends to

[00:34] file against the state of Utah, among

[00:36] others. Uh, and they have their typical

[00:38] orbit of influencers attempting to

[00:40] quickly spin this uh into a narrative

[00:43] that there's an agrieved widow and her

[00:46] endless fight to find justice for her

[00:49] Charlie. You know, you know how it goes.

[00:52] But your common sense should tell you

[00:53] that something isn't right. Why now? Why

[00:58] a notice to file a lawsuit a year on?

[01:01] And you're going to be extremely

[01:03] offended when I take you through the

[01:04] absurdity of the filing itself, which

[01:06] reads like more narcissistic abuse

[01:09] coming from the Turning Point USA clown

[01:11] show. So, let's jump into this. Welcome

[01:13] back to Candace.

[01:20] >> [music]

[01:29] >> Got to tell you right at the top here, I

[01:31] am amazed. I am always just amazed of

[01:35] the increasing shamelessness, the

[01:37] neverending grift, the desperation to

[01:39] try to sell to the public that Erica

[01:42] really cares about justice. when in

[01:43] reality thus far what she has

[01:45] demonstrated is that she cares deeply

[01:47] about raising money and deeply about her

[01:50] PR, right? She's willing to partner with

[01:52] just about anyone no matter how gutter

[01:55] trash they are in the pursuit of both.

[01:59] So this morning I wake up and I see a

[02:01] trend on X that Charlie Kirk's family

[02:03] has filed a notice of claim against the

[02:06] state of Utah. Also Utah Valley

[02:08] University Police Department and more

[02:10] specifically UVU police chief Jeffrey

[02:13] Long and former president of UVU Astred

[02:16] Tum Tuminez

[02:18] and others that are presently quote

[02:20] unquote presently unknown who were

[02:23] involved in the death of Charlie Kirk. I

[02:25] don't know how they would be presently

[02:26] unknown, but okay, stick with me. So, to

[02:30] at first explain to you why they would

[02:32] file a notice of a claim rather than

[02:34] just filing a claim itself, that's

[02:36] really just because of the law on the

[02:37] books. It's it's a mandatory

[02:39] prerequisite for this kind of a lawsuit

[02:41] that you first have to assert your

[02:43] intent to sue the government so that the

[02:46] government has a chance to simply

[02:48] concede and maybe settle it in the

[02:50] background, thus not wasting any

[02:51] unnecessary state resources with a a a

[02:55] prolonged legal process. They might just

[02:57] concede and say, "Here's a check. Let's

[02:58] settle. We don't need we don't need to

[03:00] do this in the courtroom." Okay. But

[03:02] you're also, like I said at the top,

[03:03] probably wondering why now. It's been

[03:06] over a year. I'm wondering too because

[03:10] foremost I have known since

[03:12] approximately last December that

[03:15] actually it was Charlie Kirk's parents

[03:17] who were encouraging Erica to file a

[03:20] wrongful death lawsuit against the state

[03:22] of Utah. And at that time I was told

[03:25] that it was not something that Erica

[03:26] herself was keen to do. Now, I did not

[03:29] report on it because I tend to stay away

[03:32] from reporting on anything involving

[03:34] Charlie Kirk's parents because they're

[03:36] not public figures. They never have

[03:38] aspired to be public figures. Um, they

[03:41] did not usurp Charlie's very public

[03:43] position as the CEO and chairman of an

[03:46] organization that pulled in a quarter

[03:48] billion last year and therefore opened

[03:50] themselves up to fair criticism. But now

[03:54] that fact is extremely relevant to

[03:56] present to the public that this was

[03:57] Charlie Kirk's parents who wanted Erica

[03:59] to do this. And I'm wondering why did

[04:00] Erica decide now to file that intent to

[04:03] sue? And why does it look rushed? Why

[04:06] didn't she express a desire to do

[04:08] something like that more immediately if

[04:10] it's been this much time that it's been

[04:11] discussed? And it certainly has been

[04:13] discussed uh for a long time now. Now,

[04:16] we can only surmise, of course, but

[04:17] curiously, I was also informed this week

[04:21] that what is due to be released

[04:23] imminently to the public is the

[04:25] longawwaited

[04:27] independent review uh regarding the

[04:30] security failures at UVU, which may have

[04:33] contributed to Charlie's death. Now, it

[04:36] was UVU themselves who commissioned this

[04:39] independent review back in September of

[04:41] last year. I want you to check out this

[04:43] article, jogging your memory here. It

[04:45] was published in the Associated Press on

[04:47] September 22nd, 2025. Right? So, this is

[04:51] 12 days um after Charlie lost his life.

[04:55] And it tells us in this article, Utah

[04:57] Valley University is launching an

[04:59] independent external review of the fatal

[05:01] shooting of prominent conservative

[05:03] activist Charlie Kirk on its campus

[05:05] earlier this month. The university

[05:07] announced the move Monday in an effort

[05:09] to improve safety practices amid fallout

[05:12] over security lapses and the shattering

[05:14] of the serene image that the institution

[05:16] had cultivated. Quote, "We believe the

[05:19] findings of the comprehensive

[05:21] third-party independent review of this

[05:23] targeted act of violence will offer

[05:25] valuable insights on how college

[05:27] campuses improve response and

[05:29] preparedness moving forward." This is

[05:31] that was a quote from Astra Timunes. The

[05:34] school's president said in an emailed

[05:35] statement, quote, "We will integrate the

[05:38] findings into our efforts to strengthen

[05:40] and improve safety practices for UVU and

[05:43] all of Utah higher education." End

[05:45] quote. Okay. So, just 12 days after

[05:49] Charlie is hit, the university sought to

[05:51] examine all of those failures um that

[05:54] were by the way immediately and some

[05:56] failures which were eventually noted by

[06:00] the larger public. At long last, that

[06:03] report is due to be released. I was told

[06:06] that its findings were going to be

[06:08] released on Friday. I don't know if

[06:10] that's now going to be bumped. Um, and

[06:12] that the findings were actually going to

[06:15] be devastating to Turning Point USA to

[06:18] their security apparatus because

[06:21] obviously they would have been gathering

[06:22] communications. Why didn't this happen?

[06:24] Why didn't that happen? So when I just

[06:27] look at that that I had this information

[06:29] that I was expecting this filing on

[06:31] Friday uh or or I guess this independent

[06:33] review to be released on Friday and

[06:35] suddenly we're hit on Wednesday with an

[06:38] intent to sue that is sloppy. Okay, that

[06:42] feels a little too on the nose. It's

[06:44] remarkably timely to say the least. Two

[06:47] days before the review gets released,

[06:49] suddenly Turning Point USA is drumming

[06:51] up noise and influencers are blaming the

[06:54] campus for the security failures.

[06:56] Classic preemptive PR strike in my view.

[07:02] But what is perhaps even more shocking

[07:03] is actually how lackluster the filing

[07:05] itself is. Again, it feels very rushed,

[07:07] especially when you've had a full year

[07:09] to file this, right? a full year to pull

[07:11] this together and make it look, I don't

[07:13] know, um, like you might have some

[07:15] reasonable claims. Now, remember,

[07:19] Charlie had a total of 12 security

[07:21] members that he brought with him. 12

[07:24] security members. That's massive for a

[07:26] college event. I've never seen this in

[07:27] the history of me doing college campuses

[07:29] with Charlie that 12 security people

[07:32] would have been brought with him for a

[07:34] campus of this size. Okay? And these are

[07:36] not police officers. These are highly

[07:39] trained military, former Navy Seals,

[07:42] former Marines, Army snipers, SWAT

[07:45] commanders who worked for the highest

[07:47] levels of government. Uh, actually, I'm

[07:49] going to show you this clip because when

[07:51] Brian Harpole sat down with Shawn Ryan,

[07:54] Shawn Ryan went over the remarkable

[07:56] expertise of this security team. Take a

[07:59] listen.

[08:00] >> We have some statements from your guys

[08:01] here and and uh I don't I don't know if

[08:03] you want me to read any names, but I

[08:05] will. No, they said they're fine with

[08:06] the the song as just first names.

[08:08] >> Yeah.

[08:09] >> I mean, here's just, [clears throat]

[08:13] you know, Blake, combat proven marine,

[08:19] appears more talent [clears throat] than

[08:22] everyone else. I mean, you have SEALs,

[08:25] worldrenowned jiu-jitsu people, 22 years

[08:28] on SWAT, professional athletes with

[08:30] tactical careers. I mean, 22 years as a

[08:34] Navy Seal,

[08:36] Marine and 30-year cop and SWAT

[08:38] commander. I mean,

[08:41] these guys know what the they're doing,

[08:43] and they're no stranger to

[08:48] dangerous work.

[08:51] So, so Brian is submitting that to Shawn

[08:53] Ryan to tell the world just how

[08:56] overqualified his team was uh going to

[09:00] this campus event, right? Look at their

[09:01] background. Look at their

[09:02] qualifications. 20-year Marine. What are

[09:05] you talking about? This is nothing to

[09:07] these people. And I want you guys to

[09:08] know something. This level of security

[09:10] is extremely expensive. Extremely

[09:14] expensive. You contract that level of

[09:17] security because well, you are

[09:20] recognizing that the publicly available

[09:22] security apparatus is going to be

[09:24] inefficient, right? They're brought in

[09:26] to assess and to eradicate any threats

[09:30] in advance. In essence, you're bringing

[09:31] in these experts that are assumed to be

[09:34] above the pay grade and expertise of a

[09:37] college campus cop. And to be clear, I'm

[09:40] not guessing here. I worked for Turning

[09:42] Point USA. On every tour that I went on

[09:46] thereafter, I brought in my own security

[09:48] team to each and every event. I know how

[09:50] this works. I'm not going throwing some

[09:52] darts. I'm not just throwing spaghetti

[09:54] at the wall here. I'm telling you how

[09:56] this works. Your security, if you're

[09:58] going to bring I I would never have 13

[10:00] members, but your security would be

[10:03] liazing with the local police force and

[10:06] telling them what you want and what you

[10:08] need. So, you might say, as I did at a

[10:11] recent event, we want bomb dogs. Okay?

[10:15] You might say, as they talked about in

[10:17] this interview, we want drones. We're

[10:19] going to need a guy up on the rooftop.

[10:21] We've assessed situation. We want guys

[10:23] up there. And then the local police will

[10:25] then come back at you with potential

[10:27] limitations. They may say, "Uh, we're

[10:30] not able to meet some of your requests

[10:31] or some of your demands because of this,

[10:33] because of that." Which means that you

[10:36] then either need to go source that

[10:38] independently. You got to go source your

[10:40] own bomb dogs, source your own drones,

[10:44] or you're going to say, "We're not going

[10:46] to do this event because it's not secure

[10:48] enough." That's that's why we're

[10:49] bringing you in experts to say we can't

[10:51] make this secure. We're prevented to

[10:54] we're prevented from making it secure.

[10:55] So, we advise you not do this.

[10:57] Especially if you send a message the

[10:59] night before saying, "I think I'm going

[11:01] to be killed." You pull the event. you

[11:04] pull the event if you say that we cannot

[11:07] secure the premises. Now, I'd also like

[11:09] to stress that you send your highly

[11:12] trained and expensive security team who

[11:15] 20-year Marines days in advance of the

[11:18] event minimally. Minimally, you would

[11:20] send them days ahead to make

[11:24] preparations, right? They're not going

[11:25] to come in blind and never have seen

[11:27] this campus. Okay? If Donald Trump, as

[11:31] an example, decides that he wants to

[11:32] speak at UVU, that doesn't suddenly mean

[11:35] that UVU has the means to provide

[11:37] everything that someone at that level is

[11:39] going to need. That's what his Secret

[11:41] Service detail is for, right? They're

[11:43] going to leers, they're going to get

[11:43] their head, they're going to make

[11:44] assessments, they're going to make sure

[11:46] um that the perimeter is secured. That

[11:48] is the entire point of having an outside

[11:51] security apparatus. Just laying the

[11:53] groundwork there. Let's now go through

[11:56] some of the highlights. And by

[11:57] highlights, I mean low lightss of this

[11:59] filing. It's a short one. It's eight

[12:01] pages. It's just meant to be a notice,

[12:03] like I said. And we're going to skip

[12:05] through the preamble where they tell us

[12:06] who Charlie Kirk was because we already

[12:08] know who Charlie Crook was. And we're

[12:09] instead going to begin with subsection B

[12:12] on uh uh with section B on page three,

[12:14] which is entitled UVU Charlie Kirk

[12:17] event. Okay. So,

[12:21] they tell us that in 2025, Turning Point

[12:25] USA planned its largest ever campus

[12:28] tour. Immediately caught my eye, just

[12:30] that opening right there, cuz they're

[12:32] careful not to give a precise state.

[12:34] Now, you may may remember that there was

[12:37] a young woman who back in September and

[12:41] October and November of last year was

[12:43] making noise, telling the public that

[12:45] this event came together too quickly,

[12:48] someone who has toured and gave you

[12:50] examples that normally 5 months in

[12:53] advance they begin planning these they

[12:55] begin planning and that's for a lot of

[12:56] reasons. Um, I worked as a speaker with

[12:59] this organization. I've never seen an

[13:00] event planned like this. This one came

[13:02] together in a couple of weeks. I said,

[13:04] "The fact that they even got approval

[13:05] for this event is crazy." Okay. And

[13:08] usually there's a long waiting list of

[13:10] all the universities who want to host

[13:12] Charlie, want to host Candace, want to

[13:13] host him for the campus tour. They make

[13:16] that request the semester ahead and then

[13:18] we assess and look through and see how

[13:21] many of these that we can hit.

[13:22] Remarkably, this one came together in

[13:24] weeks. And I said, "This is weird. This

[13:27] is wrong. This is not how it works."

[13:29] Because usually the administration gives

[13:31] Turning Point USA a hard time. There's

[13:33] so many things they're going to say you

[13:35] need. Insuranceances, ambulances, this

[13:37] that blah blah blah blah. So they need

[13:39] that long runway to prep for these

[13:42] events. But this one granted

[13:43] immediately. We don't know who filed for

[13:46] it. And suddenly in a couple of weeks,

[13:48] they're going to be promoting this.

[13:49] Okay. Now, despite this, they assert

[13:53] that they were they pulled together this

[13:54] event. But they want to let you know,

[13:55] and this feels again rather narcissistic

[13:58] because the whole reason that Charlie

[13:59] started Turning Point USA was because

[14:01] there were not conservative ideas

[14:03] expressed on college campuses. And they

[14:05] knew that there was never a warm

[14:07] welcome. There's never a warm welcome.

[14:08] You go to these events to share ideas

[14:10] that you don't typically find on liberal

[14:13] campuses. Yet they write here, "Through

[14:17] advocacy by the local chapter of Turning

[14:20] Point USA on UVU's campus, Utah Valley

[14:23] University had the distinct honor of

[14:26] being the first stop on the fall tour.

[14:30] And that honor came against a wellknown

[14:33] backdrop of risk. We pulled together

[14:36] this event. We picked you and you were

[14:39] given a distinct honor that we picked

[14:42] you." That's just that's a lot of hubris

[14:45] coming from this filing. Okay. Now, then

[14:48] it comes and they tell us what all these

[14:50] risks are. They're like, "Well, didn't

[14:51] you know that President Trump uh there

[14:53] was a rooftop sniper? You should have

[14:54] known and assessed that we were coming

[14:57] and that this could be a possibility.

[14:58] Don't you know that Congresswoman Nancy

[15:01] Pelosy's husband was brutally attacked

[15:03] in their California home? Once we

[15:05] announced and awarded you this distinct

[15:08] honor to host me us, you should have

[15:12] immediately gone, "Oh my, this is this

[15:15] are Nancy Pelos's husband was in his

[15:17] trunks and somebody came into the

[15:19] house." Okay.

[15:22] Okay.

[15:23] Page four is where they begin spelling

[15:25] out the negligence that they are

[15:28] claiming uh took place here. And we're

[15:30] going to go through this point by point

[15:32] because I'm amazed by it. Okay.

[15:35] So, point one is they say that UVU

[15:39] police did not conduct a meaningful risk

[15:43] assessment and UVU parties did not have

[15:46] a security briefing where the risks

[15:48] associated with unsecured rooftops,

[15:51] which they're going to talk about more

[15:52] later, which were had been identified

[15:54] and communicated to Chief Long, could be

[15:56] communicated to other officers. Oh, um,

[15:59] here's my question. you know, some of

[16:01] that expertise you were paying for. Did

[16:04] Charlie's team request this security

[16:05] brief? Are are they is UV required by

[16:08] law to have a written security plan

[16:10] submitted? Okay. If so,

[16:13] why didn't Charlie's extensive security

[16:15] team note that it had not been

[16:18] submitted? What What is he paying you

[16:20] for?

[16:22] Clause two, and I think that this is

[16:24] among the craziest clause of all.

[16:25] They're all crazy, but the clause two is

[16:27] is pretty crazy. They then moved to

[16:29] blame UVU for granting their request.

[16:34] Okay. And to be clear, it was not a

[16:35] request. It was a demand. It was a

[16:37] demand, I am told, that was made on

[16:39] August 25th, 20125 for Charlie to be in

[16:43] this amphitheater. Okay. On August 25th,

[16:46] 2025, I'm I'm telling you this, this is

[16:49] not in the filing. They had a Microsoft

[16:51] Teams meeting. This was an events

[16:54] committee meeting on TurningPoint side.

[16:56] It was led by Macy Crofts, their

[16:58] employee. And on that call, I am told

[17:01] Macy Crofts insisted that the event take

[17:05] place in the amphitheater. So, you have

[17:08] UVU on the call and they say, "No, you

[17:11] shouldn't do it in the amphitheater

[17:12] because there's no traffic control."

[17:14] Another point that I said to you was

[17:15] very strange. Why would you bother

[17:18] having tickets sold if there's no

[17:20] traffic control? That means you don't

[17:22] have to have a ticket. You can just walk

[17:24] up and sit down. and they made it clear

[17:26] that they could not shut down the

[17:28] amphitheater. Okay, that was not

[17:29] something the university could do. Macy

[17:31] insisted that they wanted the

[17:34] amphitheater. They didn't care about

[17:35] that because Charlie had recently done

[17:37] an event in Tennessee and he did, by the

[17:39] way, that's fact. In March of 2025 where

[17:42] he loved the amphitheater and now he

[17:45] just wanted the amphitheater so bad. So,

[17:47] yes, yes, yes. Well, they say,

[17:48] "Shouldn't we do it inside?" No, no, no,

[17:49] no, no. Charlie loves the amphitheater.

[17:52] It must be in the amphitheater. So

[17:54] Turning Point USA made that demand

[17:57] and the university acquiesced to that

[18:01] demand. Is it okay? You know, it's uh

[18:04] it's your show. And now Turning Point

[18:07] USA is saying we are going to sue you

[18:10] for not telling us no.

[18:14] They're not even arguing the point.

[18:15] They're not arguing anything. They're

[18:16] not like they're not suggesting they

[18:18] didn't request it. They're saying you

[18:20] gave us what we wanted. And that, my

[18:23] friend, is your fault.

[18:25] This just feels like narcissistic abuse.

[18:27] I don't know. That's how I feel. Um, now

[18:31] they made it clear that so they they

[18:33] went into this knowing that there would

[18:34] be no traffic control. Uh, like I said,

[18:36] I don't even know why you would even

[18:38] have a ticketed event at that point. if

[18:39] anyone can just freely walk up and if

[18:42] they're going to insist upon that and

[18:45] then later cops the fact that Charlie

[18:47] notified his security team the night

[18:49] before that he was worried that he was

[18:50] going to be killed.

[18:53] Why didn't they just cancel this event?

[18:55] Also, why didn't Charlie security, as

[18:58] another matter of fact, even if you said

[19:00] he really wants to be outside, why

[19:02] didn't they show up before 9:00 a.m. the

[19:05] morning of September 10th? Cuz that's

[19:07] when they showed up. That's when they

[19:08] first hit the ground was at 9:00 a.m.

[19:11] the morning of the event, a couple of

[19:13] hours before Charlie arrived. Leading up

[19:16] to that moment, the police were mostly

[19:18] in communication with the TPUSA club.

[19:22] Okay, a little bit of back forth

[19:23] texting, which we're going to get to,

[19:24] but the TPUSA club is managing

[19:26] everything until 9:00 a.m. that morning.

[19:28] All of that just feels very wrong to me.

[19:30] And yet, they're going to say that it's

[19:33] it's the university's fault. Okay,

[19:36] moving on to uh paragraph three which is

[19:40] on page five.

[19:44] This is when they are are going to

[19:46] complain that they were only provided

[19:49] with 25% of UVU's police force. Okay, so

[19:54] you can see it says assigning only six

[19:56] campus police officers to an outdoor

[19:58] event with thousands of attendees

[20:00] despite requests for additional

[20:02] officers. And they say that the UVU

[20:04] parties assigned only six police

[20:06] officers to the outdoor tour event that

[20:09] ultimately attracted approximately 3,000

[20:12] attendees. On information and belief,

[20:15] Chief Jeff Long requested approval from

[20:18] then UVU president Astred Tumz to

[20:20] allocate more than six officers, which

[20:23] represented only 25% of the UVU police

[20:25] force. But this request was denied. Now,

[20:29] I don't like to be out here doing math,

[20:32] okay? I don't like to It's not my thing.

[20:33] It's not my go-to, but I did some. And

[20:37] uh I think that when you do the math on

[20:39] this, what Astred Humanez did was the

[20:43] right thing to deny the request. Okay?

[20:46] Because if they were given on a purely

[20:48] mathematical basis,

[20:50] they were overs supplied with police

[20:52] officers. Let me walk you through that.

[20:54] They say there are 3,000 attendees at

[20:56] this event.

[20:58] The campus itself, UVU, has a total of

[21:01] 50,000 students, okay? And a grand total

[21:05] of just 24 UVU police officers that are

[21:09] available available to cover those

[21:11] 50,000 students. Okay? The job of the

[21:15] UVU police force is to make sure the

[21:17] campus is covered, to make sure the

[21:20] students are safe. They do not suddenly

[21:22] become employees of Turning Point USA

[21:24] because they're doing what relative to

[21:26] the entire university is a minor event.

[21:28] 3,000 versus 50,000 students that occupy

[21:33] this campus every day. This is in the

[21:34] middle of the day. This is not a

[21:35] nighttime event where it's like, oh, all

[21:37] we've got is this event that's going on.

[21:39] This is the middle of the day while

[21:41] classes are happening.

[21:44] So worked out as an equation, six police

[21:47] officers would have covered 12,500

[21:51] students based on their availability,

[21:53] okay, of of their full police force.

[21:55] 12,500 students. They oversupplied.

[21:58] They have the capacity essentially it

[22:01] for one police officer to cover a little

[22:03] over 2,000 students. So Charlie's event

[22:06] was overs supplied within their

[22:07] capabilities on a purely mathematical

[22:09] basis. That would be why Astrid denied

[22:12] to their request for more because it

[22:15] would have put the additional 47,000

[22:17] other students at risk. If something

[22:19] happened to them and there were no

[22:20] police in sight because everyone was

[22:22] being given to the Charlie Kirk event,

[22:24] the university could have been sued.

[22:26] That's the reality. You have to make

[22:28] that decision as a president. You go,

[22:29] "Okay, I understand you guys think

[22:31] you're a very big deal. You brought in

[22:34] your own security. We told you what we

[22:35] had. We have other students here who are

[22:38] not attending this event." the

[22:39] overwhelming majority of this college

[22:41] campus is not attending your event.

[22:45] And by the way, based on the crowd that

[22:46] we saw, those weren't even students that

[22:48] were at the event. There were so many

[22:49] adults. Something else that I pointed

[22:50] out, why are there so many adults at

[22:51] this event? It it was absolutely bizarre

[22:53] to me. Now, I also want to draw your

[22:56] attention to the end of point 3 where

[22:59] they discussed that there were no first

[23:01] responders made available because that's

[23:03] just not true. Okay? There were actually

[23:05] first responders that were made

[23:06] available. Um they followed Charlie to

[23:09] the car and then did not get into the

[23:11] car for some reason. Certainly did not

[23:13] seem like security was trying to have

[23:15] him treated by this first by these first

[23:17] responders. Um and who were they? They

[23:20] were UVU's statecertified

[23:23] emergency medical services. They were

[23:25] right beside the car with medical bags

[23:27] in hand. and Charlie's team chose to get

[23:31] into the vehicle and to move on rather

[23:32] than to have him treated and stabilized

[23:35] uh right there or to find a place that

[23:37] they felt was safe to have him

[23:38] stabilized. That whether or not that was

[23:40] a good decision by the security is

[23:42] something that's up for debate. But what

[23:44] is not up for debate is that first

[23:46] responders were actually on the scene.

[23:50] The filing is correct though in that

[23:52] bottom part when it says that Mr. Kirk

[23:55] was transported to Panogos Regional

[23:57] Hospital in a private vehicle, not an

[24:00] ambulance. Okay. Uh yeah, there was no

[24:03] ambulance on standby. And I would like

[24:05] to know why. I have been trying to

[24:07] figure out why. I am positively shocked

[24:10] by this because at every single event

[24:12] that I have done with Turning Point USA,

[24:14] there was an ambulance on standby. We

[24:15] typically walked past the ambulance what

[24:18] in you know wherever the security pulled

[24:20] up you would pass by the ambulance

[24:21] because you would their security cars

[24:23] would be right next to the ambulance.

[24:25] And I also want to tell you that TPUSA

[24:28] distributed the security protocols to

[24:30] speakers. So we were aware of what the

[24:32] most the the most local hospital was the

[24:35] shortest distance hospital was located.

[24:37] Here's the address. Here's the security

[24:39] protocols. Ambulance on standby. They

[24:41] made us aware of that. Suddenly now

[24:43] they're saying, "Well, UVU didn't do

[24:45] it." Like they're just totally rinsing

[24:47] their hands of something that I know

[24:49] they've always done.

[24:52] Paragraph 4, moving on to that, is more

[24:54] of you didn't tell us no. Right? You

[24:56] didn't tell us no. We did it and now

[24:58] we're angry at you. You gave us what we

[25:00] asked for. So let's take a look at that.

[25:02] Now they are citing uh for instance that

[25:05] the UVU parties could have created and

[25:08] maintained a secure perimeter around the

[25:11] event by constructing physical barriers

[25:13] with limited points of ingress and

[25:15] egress where the number of attendees

[25:18] could be controlled and where security

[25:19] screenings could take place. That runs

[25:22] contrary to what Macy Crofts was told on

[25:24] the call, the Microsoft Teams call when

[25:27] they told you, "We cannot do traffic

[25:29] control if you do this in the

[25:31] amphitheater." Allegedly.

[25:33] Allegedly. They were very clear on that.

[25:35] If you decide to do this outside, there

[25:38] cannot be any traffic control. They also

[25:41] say, "Well, they could have placed

[25:42] restrictions on the number of

[25:44] attendees." Who controlled the tickets,

[25:46] guys? Turning Point USA. Turning Point

[25:50] USA are the ones that controlled the

[25:52] tickets. So, they're saying, "We sold a

[25:54] number of tickets that we wanted, and

[25:56] you let us do that."

[25:59] pull that back up because I just thought

[26:00] that last sentence is so great. The UVU

[26:03] parties, not Turning Point USA, had the

[26:05] power and authority to block us from

[26:08] doing what we wanted to do.

[26:13] This is all just so stunning to me. Now,

[26:15] let's move on to paragraph five. Maybe

[26:17] actually this is this is the one that's

[26:19] most egregious for two reasons, right?

[26:21] So, the context here, just so you know,

[26:23] is they are now addressing the text

[26:25] message exchange between Dan Flood and

[26:29] Chief Jeffrey Long of the UVU police

[26:31] force. This is the same message that

[26:33] Brian Harpole misrepresented as his own

[26:36] on Shawn Ryan when he's like, "What am I

[26:39] supposed to do with that? What do you

[26:41] mean, what are you supposed to do with

[26:42] that, Brian? You never received this

[26:43] message. There's nothing you're supposed

[26:45] to do with anything because you're not

[26:46] on this thread. It's between Dan Flood

[26:49] and the chief of police. Okay. Now, in

[26:52] this filing, uh the lawyers are going to

[26:56] further misrepresent this text message

[26:59] shockingly by omitting the most crucial

[27:02] part of the text message, which provides

[27:04] context because they sort of want to

[27:06] pretend that this was a more general

[27:09] conversation about rooftops, plural.

[27:11] They have they say rooftops and not a

[27:14] very specific area that was above

[27:17] Charlie's head. That is the proper

[27:18] context. Okay. So, I'm going to show you

[27:20] the original text message to jog your

[27:22] memory so you can see how they just sort

[27:23] of edited out a sentence here. This is

[27:26] the original text message from Dan

[27:28] Flood. And he says, "Hello, Chief Long.

[27:30] We received this message today from the

[27:32] student group." And then he quotes it.

[27:35] Apparently the student say is saying to

[27:37] them there is student roof access pretty

[27:40] close to where CK will be set up at Utah

[27:44] Valley. The Sorenson Student Center has

[27:46] a couple of staircases that go up to the

[27:48] walkways on the roof. Okay. Jeff Long

[27:52] comes back with you want access to that

[27:54] roof to the roof. And he says I was told

[27:56] students have access above us. That's

[27:59] crucial, right? I was told students have

[28:01] access above us. If this is true, it

[28:05] would be nice to either have it

[28:06] controlled access or allow one of my

[28:09] guys to be there as well if possible.

[28:12] It's an either or. So, please, we would

[28:15] like some traffic control or we would

[28:18] like to have one of our guys up there if

[28:20] possible. To which he says, I got you

[28:22] covered. Okay. So, we broke a story back

[28:24] in November following Brian Harpull's

[28:26] appearance in Sean Ryan that this

[28:28] message thread is specifically referring

[28:30] to, as it sounds, the walkway above

[28:32] Charlie's head. Okay. And the student

[28:34] access to that walkway, which um uh the

[28:38] students would have been able to just

[28:39] walk up the stairs. This is why that

[28:40] crucial line from the message, I was

[28:43] told students have access above us

[28:45] matters. I'm going to show you now a map

[28:47] so there's no confusion to what they

[28:48] were talking about. Okay, that's the

[28:51] staircase that leads up to that walkway,

[28:54] the roof access right there. Okay, you

[28:57] see, you obviously know where Charlie

[28:58] was sitting. They're now concerned that

[29:00] students are going to be able to walk

[29:02] from what is really the lower level of

[29:04] Sorenson up that staircase and over

[29:07] Charlie's head.

[29:09] That's that's the context that they're

[29:10] talking about in this message. They were

[29:12] worried about that because people could

[29:14] throw things down if they wanted to.

[29:16] that you could have an incident where uh

[29:17] someone's throwing water bottles,

[29:19] throwing water on Charlie. They want to

[29:20] prevent that from happening and secure

[29:22] that roof access. It's the roof of the

[29:25] Hall of Flags. Okay, Hall of Flags is

[29:28] what Charlie is sitting beneath. That's

[29:29] the roof access.

[29:31] Amazingly, in this filing, Kirk family

[29:34] lawyers decided to just omit that

[29:36] critical line of a text exchange

[29:38] altogether. We can look at this side by

[29:39] side. They jump in here at if this is

[29:43] true, it would be nice to either have it

[29:45] controlled access or allow one of my

[29:48] guys to be up there as well. But

[29:50] actually, they're missing that part. I

[29:53] was told students have access above us.

[29:56] If this is true, it would be nice to

[29:58] either have a controlled access or allow

[30:00] one of my guys to be there as well.

[30:02] Because if you could see that in the

[30:04] filing, you would go, "Oh, kind of

[30:05] sounds like you're talking about a very

[30:07] specific area that has nothing to do

[30:09] with the Loy Center or any other

[30:10] rooftop, but rather an area right above

[30:13] you guys." And you guys, meaning right

[30:15] above Brian Harple. So, I guess they're

[30:18] just going to ride that lie until the

[30:20] wheels fall off or whatever, pretending

[30:22] that this exchange was about rooftops,

[30:24] more broadly speaking, and not about

[30:26] that one particular access point, which

[30:28] by the way, they dealt with in that same

[30:31] clause on the bottom of of of same

[30:33] paragraph on the bottom of page six.

[30:35] They somehow the lawyers here are

[30:37] hitting peak insanity because they note

[30:39] that Chief Long responded with three

[30:42] words, got you covered. Because, well,

[30:45] he did have him have them covered. They

[30:47] did both, the either and the or. Officer

[30:50] Baggley was sent to monitor the rooftop

[30:54] traffic control. Remember officer

[30:55] Baggley, you know, uh, sir body cam went

[30:58] off. He's up there doing traffic

[31:00] control. And additionally, members of

[31:02] Charlie's security team were allowed up

[31:05] there as well. He met both of Dan

[31:07] Flood's demands. Like we Here's a still

[31:10] of Richard Bracie was up there. We know

[31:12] Richard Bracie was up there on the

[31:14] rooftop. And you can actually see right

[31:16] after the explosive goes off, Richard

[31:18] Bracley juts juts across. He was already

[31:20] up there given access yet. This filing

[31:23] suggests that got you covered. Uh it was

[31:27] not met. And also they then try to

[31:29] extrapolate it and they say that those

[31:32] three words got you covered. And this is

[31:34] amazing. You got you got to go here to

[31:35] uh where are we at? The bottom of um

[31:39] page five. Yes. Yeah. Bottom of page

[31:42] five. Uh six, pardon me.

[31:45] They say this led TPUSA

[31:48] to reasonably conclude that UVU had a

[31:52] plan to address the identified risk and

[31:55] other similar risks, most obviously the

[31:58] risk from other rooftops without TPUSA

[32:01] involvement.

[32:02] Chief Long's text message did not invite

[32:05] or even allow Turning Point USA to take

[32:08] any steps to secure the risk of

[32:10] unsecured rooftops.

[32:12] I'm sorry. What

[32:15] was this filing written by a teenaged

[32:17] girl reading in between the lines of her

[32:19] boyfriend's silence via text? Like that?

[32:21] What? What are you talking about? He

[32:23] addressed the exact concern that you

[32:25] brought up. You confirmed what you were

[32:27] speaking about. They made sure that you

[32:29] got both of the either and the or. Okay.

[32:32] Officer Baggley, your own guys are up

[32:34] there. And now you're like, and then

[32:35] just like when he said got you covered,

[32:37] even though he did cover us, we then

[32:39] assumed that he would then address every

[32:42] rooftop on campus.

[32:45] We just we just assumed

[32:49] what we only have like, you know, 20

[32:50] years of marine experience, sniper

[32:52] experience. We think we're supposed to

[32:54] be thinking about rooftops, generally

[32:55] speaking, but we just took these three

[32:57] words in the context of getting exactly

[33:00] what we wanted and we just assume that

[33:02] you would have us covered everywhere

[33:04] above and beyond. I mean, that is that

[33:05] is so beyond ridiculous and

[33:08] unacceptable. I can't even believe

[33:10] they're attempting this. I can't even

[33:12] believe they are attempting this. Okay.

[33:17] Now uh the next sentences that are

[33:19] highlighted on on on page seven I think

[33:22] we are on page seven now. Yeah.

[33:25] Um it says uh wait which we just covered

[33:27] actually that uh really now we can jump

[33:29] down to paragraph six. Okay. And this is

[33:32] really just a summation of this brief

[33:34] filing and I'm just going to read that

[33:35] in its entirety. It says the UVU party's

[33:38] omissions, actions and misconduct led to

[33:41] Mr. Kirk's death. All of these failures

[33:43] placed Mr. Kirk in danger. he was

[33:45] legally entitled to believe that when

[33:48] the UVU parties approved the tour event

[33:50] to be held on campus on September 10th

[33:52] that the UVU parties would only hold the

[33:55] event in a venue and with associated

[33:58] security measures that made the event

[34:00] safe for him to attend and participate

[34:02] in. Instead, Mr. Kirk was exposed to the

[34:06] danger of a rooftop shooter that took

[34:07] his life in light of the risks known to

[34:10] the UVU parties. The UVU party's

[34:11] failures shock the conscience, giving

[34:14] rise both to a state created danger

[34:17] claim

[34:19] under the United States Constitution's

[34:21] due process clause and a traditional

[34:23] wrongful death claim under Utah law.

[34:25] Thank you for receiving the above notice

[34:27] of claim. Please feel free to reach out

[34:29] if you have questions. Very truly yours.

[34:32] I have questions.

[34:36] I would like to reach out.

[34:38] I do not think my call will be taken.

[34:41] Um, but I I have I have a lot of

[34:43] questions. What are we doing here? What

[34:45] are we doing? What have we learned from

[34:47] this? We learned that Turning Point

[34:50] USA's position is we brought in all of

[34:52] these former military trained snipers

[34:54] and Navy Seals, but we are really

[34:56] shocked. Our conscious our conscience is

[34:58] shocked that we were expected to in any

[35:00] way utilize their expertise.

[35:04] That's that's really what this says.

[35:06] They're they're just totally shocked.

[35:07] It's amazing to me that they're not

[35:09] suing their own security who showed up

[35:12] at 9:00 a.m. that morning um and are now

[35:16] trying to strenuously read between the

[35:21] lines of a text message to assert that

[35:24] they somehow had a discussion about

[35:25] rooftops when they didn't. So, what's

[35:28] actually up with this filing? What is it

[35:30] really about? Well, I maintain my

[35:32] position that this is a preemptive PR

[35:34] strike meant to distract the public from

[35:36] what I am told is going to be a

[35:38] devastating blow, a devastating PR blow

[35:40] regarding Turning Point USA's

[35:42] shortcomings. Maybe we get some answers

[35:43] to the questions of why there was no

[35:46] ambulance on standby. And maybe we're

[35:48] going to be able to see those

[35:50] communications, fuller communications

[35:52] with the team. And it's going to feel

[35:54] like uh just to give it like an ode to

[35:57] when you first see Blake Lively's filing

[35:59] and it sounds shocking, right? Because

[36:02] she races to file it and then you kind

[36:04] of wait and Brian Freriedman drops like

[36:05] a lot of receipts and you go, "Oh my,

[36:08] actually we did not get the full story

[36:11] here." That's the vibe I'm getting.

[36:14] The other thing, by the way, that I

[36:16] think is interesting to consider is that

[36:18] we may be actually looking at unique

[36:21] insight into what Erica and Turning

[36:23] Point USA has communicated to Charlie's

[36:25] parents, that it wasn't their fault that

[36:27] you you made tons of mistakes. Like,

[36:29] they're obviously going to read through

[36:30] this, and this might be what they've

[36:31] been telling them. Like, we requested

[36:33] this, we were told no, we were told

[36:35] this, we were told that. He said he had

[36:37] the rooftops covered. This might be what

[36:40] they were told.

[36:42] Who knows?

[36:44] Lastly, I'd like to just say this. I do

[36:46] think it's possible that they will score

[36:47] a big payday. That the state will just

[36:49] want the situation to go away. I mean,

[36:50] Utah is not to me it seems a little

[36:54] corrupt. The state seems a little

[36:56] corrupt. And I would just imagine more

[36:58] broadly speaking that they're just going

[36:59] to want the situation to go away, agree

[37:00] to a settlement of some description uh

[37:03] because they have the funds to do so and

[37:07] they have bigger concerns like the

[37:08] criminal case. I wouldn't rule that out.

[37:10] even on a university level, you just

[37:12] want to be done with these things. I

[37:14] hope not. I certainly hope they don't do

[37:16] that. And um I'm going to instead hold

[37:20] my breath for

[37:22] the independent review that's being

[37:24] conducted. We'll leave it at that and be

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[40:55] like state moneyaundering away from the

[40:57] taxpayer. It's an interesting thought.

[40:59] I'm just seeing that appear a lot here.

[41:01] I I think there's a lot going on. I

[41:03] mean, I certainly would be if I was in

[41:06] Utah and I was taxpayer, frustrated by

[41:07] the idea that Turning Point USA, Erica

[41:10] was willing to promote her her own

[41:14] security apparatus

[41:16] for what on that day? I don't know. Dan

[41:18] Flood was actually providing security to

[41:20] her in the immediate aftermath. I He

[41:23] certainly was on her at the White House

[41:25] when Charlie, I think it was Charlie's

[41:27] birthday or Trump did something there.

[41:29] And yet they're then now turning around

[41:30] and being like there were security

[41:32] failures but they were only the fault of

[41:33] UVU. I don't I don't know that I buy

[41:35] that actually. Anyway, moving on from

[41:38] that. I have a random bee in my bonnet

[41:40] today. I need your help internet. It's

[41:42] bothering me tremendously. I can't let

[41:44] it go suddenly. Actually, credit to

[41:47] YouTuber Zack Costello for putting this

[41:49] bee in my bonnet even though he didn't

[41:51] mean to. Uh, basically what happened was

[41:54] he was looking at the footage of um

[41:58] the footage that we released of Tyler

[42:01] Robinson the version in the American

[42:03] shirt uh walking to onto UVU campus and

[42:07] he was addressing how he had his fingers

[42:10] in his pockets. Okay. and the way that

[42:12] he was particularly holding his fingers

[42:14] in his pockets. And in Zach Cassell's

[42:15] mind, he said, "That's super interesting

[42:17] because that makes me think of that 2022

[42:21] arrest of Tyler Robinson and he also had

[42:25] his fingers in the pocket that way." But

[42:28] of course, my crazy brain like instead

[42:30] of hearing what Zack Castello is saying,

[42:32] which is like this could be Tyler

[42:33] Robinson, I went whoa, whoa, whoa, wait

[42:35] a second. Why the heck did we ever see

[42:38] that footage? This is, let me back this

[42:40] up for you. The footage itself is now

[42:42] exceedingly problematic. Okay. Some

[42:44] facts about this footage. 2022 footage

[42:48] of Tyler Robinson. Um uh and then the

[42:52] police. It was body cam footage. You'll

[42:53] recall it. We'll show you a bit of it.

[42:55] It was released just 7 days after the

[42:58] public found out that Tyler Robinson was

[43:00] the suspect. Okay. Again, it's body cam

[43:03] footage that's dated May 31st, 2022. So,

[43:07] we're talking like three and a half

[43:09] years. um after it was recorded and it

[43:12] was released by Scripps Media. Now, I'm

[43:14] going to explain to you what suddenly

[43:16] registered to me as very wrong about

[43:17] that footage, the fact that it's three

[43:19] and a half years old and yet was

[43:22] released and available to be released to

[43:23] the public so instantly because the

[43:25] footage should not exist. Now, you may

[43:29] not know this, but allow me to enlighten

[43:31] you. The police do not just hold on to

[43:34] every mundane piece of footage from

[43:37] traffic stops, maybe 911 calls, and

[43:40] police interactions that they have on a

[43:42] daily basis, mostly because they can't.

[43:44] That's just way too much data. So, state

[43:47] by state, there exists laws that govern

[43:49] when body cam footage is to be

[43:51] automatically deleted. And it's

[43:53] typically a very short time frame for

[43:55] noncriminal interactions, as it should

[43:57] be, right? Thankfully. Okay? Because do

[44:00] you know how many traffic footage stops

[44:02] there would be from me between the ages

[44:05] of 18 and 21 years old if they didn't

[44:08] just automatically delete this? I had so

[44:09] many speeding tickets across so many

[44:12] states that Connecticut actually made me

[44:14] go back to driving school for a weekend

[44:16] or else I was going to lose my license.

[44:17] Okay. Gratefully there's no footage of

[44:19] me getting stopped for speeding uh by

[44:22] police officers because it falls o under

[44:25] a category that's termed routine

[44:27] footage. Okay. A teenager being an idiot

[44:30] and not abiding by speed laws is

[44:32] routine. So are fender benders. Sorry,

[44:34] Laura Loomer. I know they were really

[44:36] desperate to try to find footage of my

[44:38] husband pulling out of a parking lot 5

[44:40] miles per hour in the rain and

[44:41] accidentally hitting somebody's bumper.

[44:43] Uh who later shook us down for 6K. But

[44:47] in Tennessee, that would have been filed

[44:49] under routine footage and it would have

[44:50] been automatically deleted. [snorts]

[44:52] Actually, it wouldn't have because the

[44:54] police weren't even called to that. But

[44:55] you get the idea here. They would they

[44:57] would have if the police were called to

[44:58] that fender bender scene, it would have

[45:00] been automatically deleted about 30 days

[45:03] later in Tennessee. In Utah, I looked up

[45:05] the law. That body cam duration for

[45:08] routine footage that does not involve

[45:10] either an arrest, a citation, a use of

[45:13] force, or a citizen complaint is usually

[45:18] and typically automatically purged from

[45:20] their system between 60 and 90 days.

[45:23] Again, that is to manage storage costs.

[45:26] 60 to 90 days. So, in the case of Tyler

[45:29] Robinson in 2022, no citations were

[45:32] issued. Nobody was arrested. The body

[45:34] cam footage did not capture the

[45:36] accident. So, there's no reason to hold

[45:38] on to it. What took place was that Tyler

[45:40] Robinson spoke to an officer and was

[45:42] handed a report number, an instant

[45:44] report number. Both drivers were made to

[45:46] exchange in the insurance. That's like

[45:48] very typical. There was no ambulance.

[45:50] There was no paramedics. Nobody was

[45:52] pretending to be hurt. This was beyond

[45:55] routine. So I found myself going, who

[45:58] ordered the footage and held on to it

[46:02] for 3 years? That is the question. Okay.

[46:04] When there is not a dispute, there is

[46:06] not a dispute. This is not going into

[46:07] the court system. You're not saying this

[46:09] happens and I'm disputing it. Tyler

[46:11] Robinson was completely unknown in 2022.

[46:14] He was just 19 years old. This recording

[46:17] was recorded by an officer in St. in the

[46:19] St. George Police Department. You should

[46:20] also know that fact. And there would

[46:22] have been no need to request the

[46:25] footage. By the way, even if you do

[46:26] request the footage, they won't just

[46:28] grant it to you automatically. You can

[46:30] say, "I am requesting grandma footage.

[46:33] Um, I know Tyler Robinson and I know

[46:36] that he was involved in a fender bender.

[46:38] I'd like to see that before you throw it

[46:40] out in 90 days." Who would do that? Like

[46:43] I said, both drivers were cooperative.

[46:45] There was no subsequent lawsuit or

[46:47] fight. Why? and who collected and stored

[46:51] this footage. And we can now watch a

[46:52] little clip of it. Uh just so you can

[46:54] see what we're referring to cuz I don't

[46:55] think we actually ever talked about it

[46:57] on this show.

[46:59] >> Who's the driver? The driver.

[47:02] >> Yeah.

[47:04] >> Can you tell me just really quick what

[47:06] happened?

[47:07] >> I was coming this way and he's just

[47:09] passing through and he pulled out uh

[47:11] from here or no from there I think.

[47:15] >> Which do you remember which lane you

[47:16] were in? I was in one of those two lanes

[47:19] going this way. I think in the right.

[47:21] Yeah, in the rightmost lane coming this

[47:22] way. Okay. And he would have been there

[47:26] going left.

[47:28] >> And as I was coming through, he turned

[47:30] in and I t-boned into the side.

[47:32] >> Okay.

[47:35] >> Mundane.

[47:37] I'm going to keep asking this. Who

[47:39] requested and stored this footage for 3

[47:42] years and then submitted it to Scripps

[47:45] News? who in Utah was like, "I happen to

[47:48] have this footage from 2022 that I've

[47:50] been holding on to of this random,

[47:52] unknown 19-year-old Tyler Robinson, and

[47:54] I'm choosing to release it to a

[47:55] publication that no one has ever heard

[47:57] of." And here's the headline just so you

[47:59] guys can see. The script scripts News

[48:01] obtains video of accused Charlie Kirk

[48:04] shooter after the 20 after 2022 car

[48:08] crash. Now, we we did some digging.

[48:11] Scripts News became a thing that same

[48:13] year in 2022. who was formerly Newsy,

[48:15] then became Scris. The founder of Scris

[48:18] News is a man named Jim Spencer. And it

[48:22] caught my eye that he happens to teach

[48:25] digital media and journalism at UT

[48:28] Austin, right? He's done so since 2018.

[48:31] He's been at UT Austin teaching digital

[48:32] media and journalism. Here's his bio on

[48:34] the site. And that caught my eye or at

[48:37] least jogged my memory because I

[48:39] remembered that Turning Point USA has a

[48:41] very strong tie to UT Austin in the form

[48:43] of their number one donor uh Nell

[48:46] debuckman. It was that was announced.

[48:47] She's our number one donor. That was who

[48:49] they I believe they were sharing a plane

[48:50] with as well. Um at some point, correct

[48:54] me if I'm wrong. I'm vaguely remember

[48:55] that we covered that. Um she donated in

[48:58] 2022 a 2300 square foot building to UT

[49:01] Austin for mixed media and artists. It's

[49:05] called the Buckman Center of of UT

[49:07] Austin. And that made me think, hey,

[49:10] that's another little side quest that

[49:11] Turning Point USA could use their

[49:13] resources to explore that has nothing to

[49:16] do with the hearing at all. So, you

[49:18] can't say, "Oh, we're just letting

[49:19] things play out. It's not really

[49:20] actually relevant to what's going on in

[49:23] the courtroom. Maybe NDA can help you

[49:25] reach out to to Jimbo Spencer. Help us

[49:29] all figure out how they got a hold of

[49:30] this obscure video. Why it was submitted

[49:34] to them at Scripps News could be another

[49:37] piece of the puzzle.

[49:39] Because you want to know what I think?

[49:41] I think this is like the maroon shirts.

[49:43] When I suddenly said every news

[49:46] organization was showing us pictures of

[49:47] Tyler in a maroon shirt and you would

[49:49] think that he always wore maroon shirts,

[49:50] but he didn't actually. He normally red

[49:53] wore blue shirts and it seems like they

[49:56] knew that some decoys were going to wear

[49:58] the maroon shirt and they wanted to

[50:00] immediately imprint upon the public's

[50:02] mind that Tyler just wore maroon every

[50:04] day. They didn't. I think this is

[50:07] similar. I think that they already knew

[50:10] they were going to release this to the

[50:12] public and they had trained this

[50:16] individual to mimic the way in which

[50:18] Tyler Robinson walks. I think that

[50:21] because the New York Post kind of said

[50:23] that, right? When they released the

[50:26] footage, they were basically like, "Wow,

[50:30] shocking footage emerges of Tyler

[50:32] Robinson, and he's wearing an eerily

[50:34] similar hat and sunglasses from the 2022

[50:37] footage." Look, it's just unbelievable.

[50:40] the spender better in Utah sporting

[50:42] sunglasses and a hat that are eerily

[50:44] similar to what he was seen wearing

[50:47] while on the run after allegedly gunning

[50:49] down conservative activist Charlie Kirk

[50:51] 3 years later. Wow, how crazy that this

[50:54] footage emerged and he's in the same hat

[50:56] and sunglasses

[50:58] imprinting upon the public mind that

[51:02] this is our guy. That's my thought. I

[51:05] would like to know why footage that did

[51:07] not involve a crime was available on the

[51:11] ready a couple of days after we learned

[51:13] seven days after we learned that Tyler

[51:15] Robinson was a suspect. How did scripts

[51:17] get that? If you have information as to

[51:19] how that took place, who held on to that

[51:21] footage, why they held on to that

[51:23] footage, which should have been deleted

[51:24] after 60 days in the state of Utah,

[51:27] which no one should have requested

[51:28] because no one should have known that it

[51:29] happened. Please reach out to us. We'd

[51:32] like to We'd like to It's It's It's a be

[51:33] in my bonnet. In my bonnet. Got to get

[51:37] to the bottom of it. More tips at

[51:39] candacewowens.com.

[51:41] Thank you, Zachello, for putting this be

[51:43] in my bonnet. I know you were thinking a

[51:44] different route, but I'm always like

[51:45] that men in black scene where like, you

[51:48] know, I go after the girl. There's all

[51:49] these aliens and I my brain just works

[51:51] different way and now this has to be

[51:53] solved. More tips at canowens.com or you

[51:56] can email us at tips@canowens.com.

[51:59] Maybe you work for scripts. Maybe you

[52:00] know how they got this footage. Maybe

[52:03] you work for St. George. You know who

[52:05] works for St. George and could have

[52:06] maybe held on to this footage. Maybe

[52:08] it's a whole blackmail thing. They

[52:10] highlight certain people. I don't know.

[52:12] They're in a gifted program and they're

[52:14] like, "We got anything we find about

[52:16] this?" But didn't Mike Mitchell, wasn't

[52:19] he his mentor? Would he have maybe

[52:20] opened up to someone and said, "Hey, I

[52:21] just got pulled over." I don't know.

[52:24] It's weird. It's all very weird. We'll

[52:26] be right back after a brief break. All

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[54:11] Okay, top episode. I mean, top comments

[54:13] from yesterday's episode. Um, this is

[54:15] regarding the Ed Sheeran scandal. It is

[54:18] a scandal indeed. Free Palestine. Duh.

[54:22] Rohan writes, "Had they just ignored

[54:24] what McLemore said, he would have only

[54:25] had 90,000 people hear his message, but

[54:28] now the whole world has heard his

[54:29] message. The Lord works in mysterious

[54:31] ways." That's exactly right. They can

[54:33] never leave well enough alone. The

[54:35] Perisio lobby, they just operate like

[54:37] termites. They have to destroy. And

[54:39] typically what happens is the opposite

[54:40] desired effect where people look and go,

[54:42] "Well, this is weird. This is very

[54:44] weird. Why are you punishing a person

[54:45] for saying something that's basically

[54:47] true? I genocide is always wrong in my

[54:50] view. What's going on here?" And so it

[54:52] is ultimately a good thing. And it

[54:54] remains to be seen what Ed Sharon will

[54:56] do. He should cancel the rest of his

[54:57] tour according to me. Uh this next user

[55:00] writes, "Acknowledging human suffering

[55:02] should not be a punishable offense."

[55:04] Well, you can't make that make sense to

[55:07] people who worship ball. That's what

[55:10] I've learned.

[55:12] They just like them. They just like

[55:14] human sacrifice. They love they have

[55:16] this blood lust. They love killing

[55:18] children. They laugh. They They feel

[55:20] warm in their bellies when children die.

[55:23] So, that's how that works. Comments from

[55:26] today's episode. Too much sausage

[55:28] writes, "What username? How do you guys

[55:30] come up with this stuff?" writes, "And

[55:32] yet Charlie's security team had one job.

[55:34] Did any of them get sued or fired? No.

[55:37] Some even got promoted. No, I'm the one

[55:39] being sued for calling out their

[55:41] security failures. This is just a crazy

[55:43] world. We live in turning point or

[55:44] rather Erica Kirk could go after UVU for

[55:47] security failures. God forbid Candace

[55:50] says something that is so abundantly

[55:52] obvious and true that it takes two to

[55:55] tango my friends when you bring 13 uh

[55:58] welle equipped security men with you

[56:01] with military extensive military

[56:03] backgrounds.

[56:05] Everybody got to sue Candace. You know

[56:06] it's like that show Everybody Hates

[56:08] Chris. Everybody sues Candace. I got to

[56:10] have like a I don't know like a we got

[56:12] to make something a little AI thing.

[56:14] Everybody sues Candace. Feeling so bad

[56:16] for myself. Neimus out writes, "Candice

[56:18] is divine providence in action. P.S.

[56:20] John Mappin is a proper legend, a top

[56:22] bloke, and an absolute diamond. He is a

[56:24] sort of chap who would help you move a

[56:26] sofa without expecting a pint of Cella

[56:28] after. Sovereignty is ours. Let's keep

[56:30] it signed." He will very much enjoy you

[56:32] having said that. He is he is like quint

[56:35] quint quintessential Englishman is what

[56:38] I would say about John Mappen without

[56:39] question. And um it's just really just

[56:43] all very interesting like how we met and

[56:45] none of us actually should have met and

[56:46] how it all came together. And him and

[56:48] Arena have just been fantastic friends

[56:50] to us especially throughout this time.

[56:52] They have been extremely loyal to

[56:54] Charlie and making sure that um his he

[56:57] does not die in vain, right? That he

[56:59] actually uh we explore what really

[57:02] happened, who was behind it. And we all

[57:04] know that this is so much bigger. I mean

[57:07] just so much bigger than we could have

[57:09] ever imagined. Scotty Thrive Tribe

[57:11] writes, "The stepbros scene where they

[57:13] build bunk beds will not leave my brain.

[57:15] Mom, dad, why would you let us do this?

[57:17] There's so much blood. Classic childish

[57:20] sherking of responsibility." Yes. Um I

[57:23] think you're talking about the did we

[57:25] just become best friends? I've actually

[57:26] never seen Fully Step Brothers, which is

[57:28] weird cuz I'm a massive Will Ferrell

[57:29] fan, but yeah, like they do something

[57:32] and then they're like, "Why would you

[57:33] let us do this?" is so crazy. That's so

[57:36] absolutely crazy to me. Like it's, you

[57:38] know, ordering a dish for your child at

[57:40] a restaurant. They give you the dish and

[57:42] then the child has some sort of a

[57:44] choking instant. You're like, "Why would

[57:45] you let us order this? It's what do you

[57:46] mean? Why would you let us order? You

[57:47] ordered this. Like you, this is what you

[57:49] wanted. You ordered this. Turning point

[57:51] USA. Why are you telling us that we're

[57:54] getting sued for giving you what you

[57:55] want? It's so bratty. It's giving

[57:57] Verooqa salt, right? Don't care how. I

[58:00] want it now." And then like I don't

[58:03] know. That's that's the vibe that I'm

[58:05] getting from this this filing. and it's

[58:06] from the office of the attorney general

[58:09] or was a given delivered to the office

[58:10] of the attorney general rather um of

[58:12] Utah. Margaret Garro writes, "I'll say

[58:16] the selfish comment that that we are all

[58:17] thinking. Bless the beautiful new baby

[58:19] that is about to become a part of your

[58:20] family, but we are going to miss you

[58:22] while you're being a great new mama."

[58:24] Someone had to say it. Thank you so

[58:26] much. You guys are very sweet. Um, I do

[58:28] think that you will be happy with who is

[58:31] taking over my show in the interim,

[58:33] which is this is actually a very good

[58:35] time to announce it. I delayed

[58:36] announcing it because he made a a very

[58:39] unfortunate mistake and it was

[58:40] disgusting and it was sick and it had to

[58:42] be called out privately and I almost

[58:44] just ripped up all the contracts because

[58:45] he said a hot dog qualified as a

[58:48] sandwich. It's crazy. But Baron Coleman,

[58:52] yes, will be taking over the principal

[58:55] show while I'm on maternity leave. We're

[58:57] very excited about this. Obviously, um

[58:59] Baron has just become such a great

[59:00] friend over this last year. Just an

[59:02] unexpected friendship that emerged and

[59:04] like just to be able to have someone

[59:06] that I thinks through these things like

[59:08] I do. Um it takes his time. I think he's

[59:10] just he he has a method that very much

[59:12] matches my own and making sure that you

[59:14] want to triple confirm and he's deep on

[59:17] this stuff and obviously it's an added

[59:18] benefit that he is a lawyer. I'm a

[59:20] pretend lawyer. I love reading through

[59:22] documents, marking it up. Should have I

[59:23] feel like I should get an honorary law

[59:25] degree. I'm not going to actually pursue

[59:28] that, but if anyone wants to give me

[59:29] one, I will accept it. Hey, if Erica can

[59:31] be a doctor, why can't I be a lawyer? I

[59:34] don't know. But um Baron Coleman will do

[59:37] fantastic on this show. It will run

[59:39] while I am off air um from Monday

[59:42] through Wednesday. Before I leave, we

[59:44] will do a joint episode. I saw a lot of

[59:46] you guys asking, can we do a thorough go

[59:49] back from the beginning for some people

[59:50] that are just kind of learning about

[59:52] this case and getting involved? Go from

[59:54] the beginning, kind of unpack what has

[59:56] happened and also have an opportunity to

[59:59] sort of look through um what the state's

[00:02] evidence is, that opportunity that was

[00:04] missed sorely um by the incredibly

[00:06] insincere and disingenuous Andrew

[00:09] Wilson. Uh, I want you guys to have that

[00:11] information and to be able to slowly

[00:13] walk through that and doing a sort of

[00:15] longer episode with Baron Coleman will

[00:17] give me that opportunity. Uh, so we will

[00:19] do that before I pass the torch. We are

[00:22] just got a few more weeks here until

[00:23] this baby comes. So it will be Baron

[00:25] Coleman. And obviously we have now

[00:27] included a very very strong clause that

[00:29] he's not allowed to discuss sandwiches

[00:30] in any capacity. Hogies. Um, he's just

[00:33] it's just something that he's not

[00:35] allowed to do on this show. Um, we will

[00:36] not allow him to be out here saying

[00:38] crazy things like hot dogs qualify as

[00:40] sandwiches. We need to keep people uh

[00:43] together and that is not how you you

[00:45] unite the country. It's just not how you

[00:47] do it. Lady Lala writes, "I know you say

[00:50] that you are not voting anymore, but can

[00:51] we please flip the House and Senate and

[00:53] take power from Trump?" Crisis King, go

[00:55] Max. P.S. we know. No. Anna Kay is

[00:58] sitting in during your leave. Ah, you

[01:00] were wrong. You thought it was Anaka

[01:01] Casparian. That would have been a great

[01:02] one though. That would have been a fun

[01:04] one to have Anaka Sparian, but I want to

[01:06] keep going on with the Charlie Kirk case

[01:07] and um I know that she covers multiple

[01:10] topics and she's just getting into it. I

[01:12] went on her show and explained a lot of

[01:14] the things that are wrong with the case,

[01:16] which I was really grateful for because

[01:17] she has a different audience from mine.

[01:19] But yes, it is in fact Baron Coleman.

[01:23] And

[01:24] yeah, he will he will keep track of

[01:27] Tricky Terrell because Tricky Terrell

[01:29] bothers us all. We don't know how he's

[01:30] allowed to just be this tricky and just

[01:32] get away with it. It just feels wrong.

[01:33] It just feels like they're getting away

[01:35] with a lot. Um, also, this person is

[01:37] telling me that they sent me some

[01:39] important info regarding tar. So, I will

[01:42] check that out. Um, Lulu writes, "Keep

[01:46] following the David Levit stuff. It is

[01:48] deep. We are the people. Utah has

[01:50] everything that you need to know about

[01:51] this case. David and his wife took this

[01:54] child to Scotland and bought a castle

[01:56] and kept her there away from her

[01:57] family." I'm going to add allegedly.

[01:59] allegedly cuz I'm obviously live reading

[02:01] comments and so I don't know if there's

[02:03] any truth truth to that and you are

[02:05] implying that there there's a safety

[02:06] issue there. I do not know that. I know

[02:08] nothing about a child being taken to

[02:10] Scotland. Um but I will uh look in more

[02:13] into David Ovit because I do think that

[02:15] that is an interesting thread that needs

[02:17] to be pulled. You know, there has been a

[02:19] lot of satanic abuse claims full stop in

[02:22] Utah outside of David Ov. a steep

[02:24] history of those sorts of things and um

[02:27] yeah, it it is something that somehow we

[02:30] feel like we're arriving at again here

[02:32] in the Charlie Kirk case, which make

[02:33] should make no sense and yet somehow it

[02:35] seems to be what's staring us in the

[02:36] face. Um lastly,

[02:41] Ali writes, "Love Tucker Carlson you're

[02:44] referring to, but I disagree with him

[02:45] regarding Erica. He said when he first

[02:47] met Erica, he was impressed by her

[02:49] fearlessness and her intensity and how

[02:50] Charlie valued her." Well, what about

[02:53] loyalty? She lied about his Iran war

[02:55] views, covered up his Israel views, and

[02:57] handed Turning Point USA to the Daily

[02:59] Wire. I did not see this clip of

[03:01] Charlie, I mean, of Tucker. Um, but what

[03:04] you site here is that he says when he

[03:06] first met her, so I think we all met a

[03:08] different person than she is today.

[03:10] Obviously, I told you that when I was at

[03:12] Tucker's in uh June of 20 or May of

[03:15] 2025, Erica was there the night before

[03:18] ranting about Israel like and like

[03:20] pushing Charlie in that anti-Israel

[03:22] direction. So, I don't know. I don't

[03:23] think anybody knows this Erica. Again, I

[03:25] don't know what Tucker said in his full

[03:26] comments, but it's totally plausible

[03:29] that she just switched to another

[03:30] personality because that's what I've

[03:32] seen since May. like we were all talking

[03:35] about Israel and now all of a sudden

[03:37] she's very pro-Israel and partnered with

[03:40] um the what is it called ICF. It's like

[03:44] the International Fellowship of

[03:45] Christians and Jews. That contract got

[03:48] revealed by Max Blumenthal.

[03:50] Is anybody surprised?

[03:53] Anybody surprised? Because you shouldn't

[03:55] be. Anyway, if you would like to support

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[05:14] there's no footage. There's no footage,

[05:16] [laughter]

[05:17] suckers. Didn't happen. We'll see you

[05:19] guys tomorrow. [music]