Candace Owens on White Guilt, Black Victimhood Culture, and Why Trans Activism Hijacked the Gay Rights Movement

- So I liken it to seeing

a parent with a toddler. Like if you're at a

restaurant and the toddler is freaking out and screaming, and there are the parents that

give a toddler what he wants and that's like

terrible parenting. And White America, when they see these radicalized black people, 'cause it's not

all black people, but they get the

attention, right? These radicalized

black people screaming and wailing about something, they just give them what they

want no matter what it is. Defund the police. Okay, we'll just start talking

about defunding the police because you've made

that ridiculous, absurd demand that has

never been made ever. And so it's hard not to

think that this is actually the fault of white guilt, right? This is white

guilt gone too far. You guys are like overdosing

on white guilt right now. (warm instrumental music) - I'm Dave Rubin, and

this is the Rubin Report. I originally interviewed

Candace Owens on March 12th to discuss her new

book "Blackout." But as we recorded news of

COVID related lockdowns began and suddenly the news

cycle totally shifted. Now, six months later, we're

picking up the conversation and then releasing the

original conversation unedited along with the new pickup

we're doing right now. Most guests would never

allow an interview to sit for so long, but

if I can say one thing about Candace Owens, it's that

she's a woman of her words. Candace, we shot that interview, it seems like a lifetime

ago, but it was March 12th. And it basically was the

day that the lockdowns were beginning, and the second

we stepped out of the studio, your assistant, my whole

team, everyone's telling us, we're freaking out. You guys had to get out of LA, but you are a woman true

to your word even now, six months later 'cause

you were like, eh, I don't think this is

anything, this is nonsense. They're trying to

take Trump out. And from everything I

know of you since then, you have consistently put

that message out there. So first off, how are you? I haven't seen you in

a while, how you doing? - I'm doing well. I think it's also important

that I break the story here that on that day, the morning

I woke up at my hotel, I had an allergic reaction

to feathered pillows. So my voice was scratchy

and I had a cold and I came in and Dave and

his husband did not believe that I had had an

allergic reaction and they thought I was COVID-19. - It wasn't just that you

had an allergic reaction. You came in, you were

coughing and sneezing. The news is breaking

all over the world. And you were telling

us that you had blood, that you were coughing blood

earlier in the morning. And then you're like, oh,

you don't mind if I work from your house all day, do you? And what did I do? What does a real friend do? You did, and we even fed you. - Yes, but that is what

feathered pillows do to me. I have the strangest allergy

with feathered pillows. And if I sleep on one I wake up and I will literally

be coughing blood but the timing I

will give you credit, it was just bad timing

with all the COVID-19 stuff freaking out so...

- Man, how bad would Vox love it if Candace Owens was

patient zero on COVID-19? I mean, come on. - They would have

loved it so much. - They would have loved it. All right, so listen, I said

to you before we did this that I wanted to do a pickup

with you because it does feel like a totally different

world in just six months, it feels so different. But we are gonna

air that interview totally unedited just as it was, but I thought it was worth

talking for another half hour. So just about what has gone

on for the last six months, if any of that has

changed your feelings on anything or anything else. So first off you are in D.C. You've become a creature

of the swamp somehow. What's life like in D.C.? How has COVID affected you? And you know, you're pretty

outspoken about this stuff but are you okay with

any level of lockdowns, any level of masks, anything? - I'm not okay with any of it. You know, I think it's very

easy when people are scared to convince them to

give up their freedoms. And we saw that. I mean, people hardcore,

conservative suddenly like, yes, we should all be locked down,

force businesses to close. And it's an act of tremendous

cowardice in my opinion, for people not to realize that

even in times of a pandemic, we still have to have

our basic freedoms, the freedom for if

you are an individual, and you think that COVID-19

is the bubonic plague, you should have the freedom

to be able to decide, to stay at home and lock

yourself in a basement in order, you know, seamless

and Instacart. If that's what you want to do. But you should also allow

me to have the freedom to open my business and to say, if you'd like to come

into my business, you know, I'd love

to host you here. That's that freedom doesn't

go away because of a pandemic. And I think people sort

of lost the thread on that because they were so terrified. You know, now people have

obviously shifted their opinions and people are on my side, I tend to take a very bold

and strong opinion early on when people are unsure. But to me it was the entire

Coronavirus narrative was just too perfect and too

timely in an election cycle, we have to shut

down the economy. We had to put

everybody on welfare and give them stimulus checks. And you know, nobody

can leave their homes so they have to rely on the

mainstream media narrative because they can't go

out and have experiences with their friends that would

make them say, you know what, maybe it's not as

scary as it is, as I've been out to

a party a few times and I haven't

gotten the illness. So I never trusted it. Of course, I think

Coronavirus is real. What I was questioning was the

idea that it was some plague, like thing that was

gonna take us all out if we stepped

outside of our door. And I really thought it

was about mailing voting from day one. - Yeah, and by the way, you

were taking it from both sides, you kind of touched on this

because you were giving it to conservatives who were

all about a lockdown suddenly and you know, government

overreach, let's say. And then I saw like

the usual suspects, the Lefty blue check people, because you dared to go to

whole foods without a mask. And then there were

several blue check people that blood is on

your hands Candace, how many people have you killed? How many? - Apparently times for going

to whole foods, they were like, well, how could

you possibly say, she goes to whole foods

every day and I'm like, look, I can't go anywhere

because you shut down all of my events, I happen

to live near a whole foods and I like to look

at what they have at the meat counter every day. So, you know, at the time

during COVID lockdowns, I was early in my pregnancy,

so I am an asthmatic. So I have preexisting conditions and I ended up deciding

to travel the world because I was that convinced

of how untrue narrative was. And I was shocked to

discover the second you step outside of America, you realize we're the only

ones playing the crazy game. And I was in England, there

were no mass mandates. I went to Croatia. They have no idea that there's

even a Coronavirus going on. The kids are running

around freely, no mask, no social distancing. So it just felt to me,

especially when I got home, because I had those experiences and it was really being

manufactured for Americans. - All right, so I

wanna ask a question that I think cuts to the

heart of the Candace Owens that I know, but is also

the public Candace Owens, which is those first few days when everyone was freaking out, when everyone was

really freaking out and you just took that

position of this is BS, this is nonsense,

all of that stuff. What is it about you? I've asked you some

version of this before, because I even remember

seeing your tweets right at the beginning, and I

was kinda like, oh, Candace, like, you might really be

stepping in it right now. You know, if a week later

it turns out that, you know, half of us have this thing

or everyone over 60 is dead, but what is it about

you that you just do it? You just get the thought and

you're just like, I'm rolling. - You know, I think I have

very good gut instinct. I just always really trusted

my gut on certain things. And like I said,

it was too perfect. And usually if something

seems too perfect, it's because it's too perfect. And it was just also

all of the media, the death ticker was

very strange to me like we've never

done that before. I mean, if CNN, MSNBC

did a death ticker for every time there

was a car accident, you'd be terrified

to get in your car. So I was already seeing that

there was a psychological element that the media was

playing because there was, it was just very bizarre to see

a death ticker for anything, of course, you're way more

likely to get into your car and get into an accident in LA, but they would never do that. And so I really felt

that it was just too easy for them to get into the

minds of so many people. And I'm so crazy about

not being brainwashed. And it just, none of it

made sense to me at all. It just from start to finish, never thought it made any sense. - So where do you think

we're at with it right now? Like do you think Trump

should be doing more in terms of forcing

states to open or should he just sit

back and let them all do what they want or where you at? - I think if I was the

president of United States, I would do exactly what he did

in terms of sending it back down to state, by

state sovereignty, because it allows people

to really understand who's running their state. Depending on what

state you're in, you know, you're either

living in a communist state or you're living with freedom. So you're either

living with, you know, Rhonda Santos or Gavin Newsome. And it's important people

to that their leaders are behind this, so that they can't just put

it all on the president. But I do think when he

runs reelected November, he needs to put a stop

to this immediately. And I'm already seeing governors saying that sort of a thing

like Rhonda Santos said, he will not locked

down to state. What is predictable is that

there will be a second wave, which is more deadly. Right about now, So we're gonna start

seeing that in October and they're gonna start

ramping up that rhetoric. And I think that, you

know, at that moment, what we need people to start

standing up and saying, no, and we're seeing that

in other countries where, you know, they have

been fighting for their rights and we need to see

more of that in America because you'll wake up one

day and you won't have any, and I have not worn a mask. So I'm very proud of myself. - Yeah, and I think

it's public knowledge that you are pregnant. Right, I don't have

to whisper that? - Yes, it is public. - So you're also

six months pregnant we're obviously

thrilled for you, but I know you're not going

to do something reckless with your health or the

health of your baby. You're doing what

you think is right. - Right, exactly. And you know, both of my

sisters happen to have their first babies, two

little boys in April. So in the middle of lockdowns, so I spend time with my family, spend time with my grandfather

who is the most high risk, you know, type one

diabetic, he's 75% blind. He has seen all of his family

members during Coronavirus. Because even if you are an

old person, you are at risk, who is the government

to tell you what you're allowed to value at the time that you have Left, the time that you have

Left of your life, my grandfather values being

with his great grandchildren, his grandchildren

and his family, you know, he lost his wife. Those people have lived

through harder times. See what I mean? You're talking about

the real struggle and you're telling them

they have to stay at home. It's such foolishness to

not let each individual to make their own decisions

about their values. - Do you sometimes think that

your sort of like a proxy for other people to live

out the sort of boldness or something that

they wanna live? 'Cause like, if I look at

what people tweet at you all the time, you

know, a lot of people obviously say mean things, okay. But the people that like you, they're always sort of like, 0h, I can't say all

this stuff in my life, but like Candace just says it. So something like Corona, I think a lot of people

are even right now really afraid to say anything,

close to what you're saying. - Yeah, you know, they

definitely have come out. I've gotten so many emails. Like, I'm so sorry

I doubted you. And now I see how they're

fluffing the numbers or how none of it makes sense. And all of these scandals

are happening all over. And I hope that people see

me as a source of inspiration in terms of just being

yourself and being audacious. And, you know, to an extent,

I know when I first came out, I'll never forget the

conversation with Sam Harris. He was like, and bless him. But he was like, this

is world war three. Like he was like, you all

need to be in our bunkers. Y'all need to stay away. This is the end of the world. And, you know, had it just

pounding you with all of these facts and people that he knew. And I think sometimes

people can be so smart that they don't rely

on their gut instincts. And you know, I hope

that I challenged people to understand that information is constantly being manipulated to make us believe one

narrative or the other. And sometimes it is best to

trust in your gut instincts. And I'm definitely a gut player and it's served me pretty well. - Yeah, by the way,

if I'm not mistaken, the little thing

between you and Sam that was started publicly, and I think you

reached out to me, you made a point of it and

I was able to coordinate so you guys could talk privately instead of doing

everything publicly. And we talk about

that all the time. When we see people we know

go after each other publicly, and it's like, why

didn't you text me? You could just call me. Maybe, I dropped the ball

on this one, you know. - Right, if you say that

people can, if in fact, check me on this, I

have never publicly gone after a conservative that

has not gone after me first. And I go after them

because I hate that. Exactly what you're saying,

that I'm responding. 'Cause I'm like every

single one of you has a way to reach me. We have mutual

friends, it's a small, tight knit, conservative circle. So when I see people that are

tweeting something about me, or at me, I know they're

doing it for their own ego and for clicks, not because they actually

wanna have a resolution and to Sam's credit, he tweets something at me and then immediately privately

said, let's hop on the phone. And we had a discussion

and I hung up the phone and was like, you know,

we're just on opposite sides of this thing, you know? And that's fine too. That's totally fine. But you know, he

thought that my tweets were so responsible and they

were gonna get people killed and I felt otherwise. And I said, you know, we're gonna have to ride this

thing out because we disagree. But I do think there

needs to be a bit more of an adult approach on the

conservative side in general. Like I'm never trying to

go after you, claws on. if I disagree, I'm happy to

have a private conversation with you. - Yeah, all right. Well, let's talk

about the other thing enough about COVID. Racism, Candace. It's everywhere. There's more of it to go

around than ever before. It's a miracle that they even

let you use Skype right now as a black woman. I mean, what do we do

about this situation? - I mean, I think

it is really time. The challenge now is to

just dear white people, what the hell have

you been thinking, allowing this to go on this far? You know what I mean? At this tail in

between the legs, hey look, my ancestors,

I can at least say, we were dragged with chains

and whipped and beaten into submission

white people today, I don't even know what this is. This is crazy. I mean, I've never

seen such people that are just so willing to fight for their own

oppression, right?� To say, oh, I

shouldn't deserve it. I just stepped down from my job. I shouldn't be in this room. I shouldn't be able

to say anything. I should be silent for a day. And it is just such an

openly hostile okay society in terms of treating

White people poorly. And, but White people

have dug the graves. So it's very bizarre to me. And you know, I liken it to

seeing a parent with a toddler. Like if you're at a restaurant and the toddler's freaking

out and screaming, and there are the parents that

give a toddler what he wants and that's like

terrible parenting. And white America, when they see these

radicalized black people, 'cause it's not

all Black people, but they get the

attention, right? These radicalized

black people screaming and wailing about something, they just give them

what they want, no matter what is,

defund the police, okay. We'll just start talking

about defunding the police because you've made

that ridiculous, absurd, demand that has

never been made ever. And so it's hard not to

think that this is actually the fault of white guilt, right? This is white

guilt gone too far. You guys are like overdosing

on white guilt right now. - Not me, hey, not me lady. I'm not guilty for anything,

I haven't done me personally, but you know. - And so I always just ask, please stop giving the toddlers

in the black community, what they want. And similarly, I won't

give your, you know, freakish little and white

thugs what they want, you know? And there just needs

to be more people having a bit of a

spine, I would say, in the white community. - Did you sense that

this thing was coming sort of like what we

were always up against when we would do

college events together and it would be this odd

sort of Antifa thing, but we didn't know

exactly what it was. And it was a little bit before

BLM had like fully exposed itself to be, but all of this, and as I said to you

in our other interview, and as we've always

done it at every event we've ever done together, we

take questions from people who disagree with us first, but are you shocked how

quickly in the last six months, this thing like molded

together and BLM and Antifa and the Marxists

and the Twitter, like the whole thing

just morphed into one really evil monster,

really freaking fast, all sort of under

the COVID thing. Like it all happened

at the same time. - Right, I wasn't

shocked, I mean, I had been warning

about this for years. I kept saying during

an election cycle, you're gonna see race

issues drummed up. Now how violent they'd gotten,

yes, that surprised me. And also, I would

say I've been shocked by the permission

they'd been given. And the excuses in the

past is they've been given by politicians. I never foresaw that coming. I would think a store gets

robbed, looted, torn down, burned, and you know, no matter whether you're

left or right, you know, you would stand up and

say, this is wrong. The inability for politicians to now acknowledge what's

right and what's wrong, that has shocked me. We put a real low point

when people are saying, this is okay, when politicians

don't have the spine to say, you know what, I'm actually

not okay defunding the police. And we need to

isolate this incident and incompatalise this incident and not say that every

police officer was wrong. And so I am shocked at how

much the Left hates America and how much the Left hates

people that do the right thing, because that's really

what it's come down to. If you do the right thing, if

you earn accolades in life, if you climb the ladder

in life, they hate you. And they're saying, there's

not a place for you anymore. There's something fundamentally

wrong with free market, with capitalism, with

everything that America and in Western ideals

and Western principles were built upon. So that part shocked me,

but not this narrative. I was seeing it

everywhere I went and I knew that

they were organized, that they were well-funded and that they were gonna

come ready to fight. - Yeah, how do you see any

chance of getting of this thing? I mean, as you said,

you expect Trump to win. I think you would think

he's gonna win big. I think he's probably

gonna win big too. And it's like, no matter if

Biden wins, if Trump wins, if Biden wins big, if Trump

wins big, it's sort of like, I don't see a way we get

out of this either way. I could see some version

maybe where if Trump wins by truly a landslide, like a

Reagan re-election situation that maybe finally the

last few decent Democrats get the kids out

of the adult table. Like the kids that

they've let taken over that sort of what you

were saying before. Maybe they do it themselves, but that doesn't seem

very probable to me. Do you see any way we

get out of this thing? - Well, the only way we

get out of it is if people, and I think we are actually

are starting to get out of it now in a weird way, because

people are starting to see socialism manifest, right? Marxist principles manifest. They're looking around

their neighborhoods and they're seeing, you

know, stores being looted, stores being robbed,

violence happening, police getting shot, individual cities that

are gone up in crime by something like 267%,

right in New York city and in Chicago. And they're seeing

that the suburbs are now being threatened. They're gonna come

to the suburbs, they're telling people in the

suburbs to leave their house. You saw I'm sure the video clip, maybe you didn't

'cause you were away, but throughout DC, they were

going up to white people at restaurants and saying,

put your fist up and say, you know, black power or

else you get screamed at. So these people are now

seeing you've supported this and now you've seen

what it's become. And I think that once

those people understand, once they see that manifest they'll change their perspective and they'll vote

differently, right? And then of course,

once the Democrats, if the Democrats

lose a ton of seats, it no longer serves

them to be funding these Marxism 'cause it

no longer serves them to stand behind the

violent criminals, it no longer serves

them to pretend that these criminals

were righteous and you'll see a dramatic

change to society. And I think that it will

secure as it did in England. If I'm hoping to see

what we saw in England, where after Blexit, it just, every vote

went to the Tory party. I think that we will see

the same thing in America. And we'll save this country

for a lot of time to come because people will

not forget this. - Yeah, I sense

you're kind of right. You know, I hate when they

say the gay community, the black community, the

community thing, I hate that. But you know, I saw this poll

just since I've been back that at one point, I

guess post the convention, 24% of black people were

thinking about voting for Trump. Historically, we're

looking at like 4%, you know, I tweeted

something like a year ago that I thought Trump was gonna

get 30% of the black vote. And I know that might

be a little crazy, but I still, I think that

the mask has been pulled off and I think something crazy

is gonna happen, I really do. Are you with me on that? - A hundred percent, you know, I've been saying this forever. And I was laughed at,

in the beginning, right? When I first said blackshit and I said that my vision had

always been 20 points by 2020. I knew it was possible because the Left can no

longer hide from itself. And I was so happy

when AOC hit the map because she was just saying

it, you know what I mean? The old school Democrats were

a bit hiding what they wanted. And then AOC kind of

took over their party and said, no, this

is what we want. And they capitulated

to what she was saying. And so they couldn't

lie anymore, right? They couldn't lie about the

fact that they were supporting these Marxist principles and

the destruction of family, Black Lives Matter

on the website, destruct the nuclear family. You know, this is wrong,

this is backwards. So, and I've just

seen so many people, people you least suspect that

have contacted me privately celebrities, that

you would just go, this person posted

a black square. This person is a

Marxist and just going, I've had an awakening and I would like to have

a private conversation with you offline. And I think that that's me. It's just made me

feel just so happy. Like all of this, all the

beatings that I've taken, it hasn't been for nothing. - Yeah, well, so I think I

asked you this six months ago, so I may be asking you

the exact same question from six months ago

in the same interview. But since some time has passed, we both know what the

publishing world is like. And it takes a long

time to get a book out. And as you said, because the

COVID you guys delayed it and you want it to be able

to promote it properly, and the rest of it. Are you totally confident that

everything that you laid out in "Blackout" that these

extreme circumstances and the strange time

that we live in, it's not gonna alter

any of the things that you were writing about? Do you feel like it's

all timeless enough? - Yeah, and I actually

added a chapter because of, you know,

my George Floyd video, which got something

like 200 million views, 100 million views

just on Facebook. And I wanted to double

and triple down everything that I said in that video

and really talk about what the Black Lives

Matter movement is. And just remind people

who tried to bully me out of having that perspective

that I meant when I meant. And I said what I said, and

that chapter that I added was really just about

culture, black culture, that we've done this and would

Cypress take responsibility that our culture is broken that we have music

that's broken? And that we are

encouraging people to believe in this

gang lifestyle and the stripper lifestyle

and this baby mama lifestyle. And it's time to stop

blaming white people and realize that we've

done this to ourselves. And we're the only people

that can dig ourselves out of this hole. - Yeah, and people seem

to be waking up to it. So I'm guessing you're

not a huge fan of WAP. I just heard about WAP,

I'm a little behind. - Well, yes. I don't think you and I will

be coordinating a dance to that anytime soon,

unless you want to. - You've seen me dance. It won't be pretty actually, literally the last time I

danced it was at your wedding and it's probably the

last time I'll dance for the next year anyway. So it seems like, I

mean, I can tell... I said to you right before

we started the recording, you sort of have that

pregnant glow to you, but you seem like

particularly happy to me, which, you know,

these days, everyone, when I was off the grid and

people would recognize me or come up to me, or if

someone came to my house, everyone would say, oh,

Dave, it's so much worse. It's so much worse. And it struck me how depressed

people are by the news. You know, I try to... I take this stuff seriously

and I know it's serious, but I also do try to

separate myself from it. That's why I do

the August thing. But you get a ton

of hate, as I said, you get a ton of love, but like, you

really do seem happy in the midst of all of this, which I think is probably

weird for some people to see. - I'm so happy, it's crazy. I wake up every day and I'm

like, I'm the happiest person. And it can seem totally bizarre. But my perspective is just

that all I've ever wanted was for in this crazy

game of political poker, for the Left to just lay

down all of their cards and show us their hands

and they're doing that. And so there's this

quickening happening right now where people are starting

to finally understand my perspective of

so many other people that have been

fighting alongside me. I mean, on top of

that, I have a husband, you know, that I love, you know, I've

recently got married, I'm having a baby, I'm having

the easiest pregnancy ever. I work out all the time

and I'm just happy vibes all the time. And I right now also am sensing

bizarrely that even amidst all of the different

conservative connections that we're all starting

to bond a bit better. And we're starting to understand that we all have

different strategies, but us fighting and

pulling each other, wasn't really working. And I just sense more unity

in the conservative movement and more focus, which

I'm thrilled about. And so I just have

nothing to be upset about. I truly am the happiest person. I'm just like, guys,

it's all gonna be fine we're fighting, we're

on the good guy side. The good guys always win so. - The good guys always win. Well, listen, Candace,

we could do a lot more, but I actually think

that's the perfect moment to just give people the other

hour that we did together. And it stands on its own, but I just wanted to

chat with you anyway. So that's why we

did this mostly. - Guys never forget that

when I was coughing blood, my friend wanted me to

get tested for COVID-19. (both laugh) - Excuse me, Dave

Rubin made you eggs, made you eggs, when

you didn't know where you were gonna

sleep that night. That really, I mean,

people can understand. It's not just that

you were telling me you were coughing up

blood, but you're coughing, you're sneezing, we're watching

the NBA season got canceled. I think right then

I saw the video. And then your assistant

was with us too. And she's coughing

and she's sneezing. And they're telling us

we're all gonna die. And I let you stay till

about nine o'clock at night. - You did indeed, that's

a true friend guys. - There you go, Candace, it was great

seeing you as always, we're gonna play the

full interview now, and I hope to see you in

real life one of these days, I think we're gonna

make it happen. - Sounds good, guys. Enjoy the interview. - How long has it been? It's been about since

the original interview. - Did I launch in

2017, you did it like, you were one of my

first interviews. You and Paul, Joseph

Watson were my first two. So I think that was 2017. - Yeah, so let's say

it's about three years. You were on the show one other

time for some other thing, we'll just let that

one be for now. Not important to

get into that one. Some people probably know

what I'm talking about, but doesn't matter. But yeah, so it's

been about three years at the time we were

doing YouTube week here and I just tweeted out, I need to find some YouTubers

that are interesting. I wanna do five shows with

five different YouTubers in five days, blah, blah, blah. A couple of people said, you

got to check out Red Pill Black We watched your first video, which was sort of about

announcing to your family, that you're a conservative that

kind of caught you on fire. We brought you in here. It feels like another

lifetime ago, doesn't it? - 'Cause it was, it definitely

was a another lifetime ago. It's totally bizarre

to consider it that was just three years ago. And how much has gone on

and how much has changed and how much I've changed, how much I've grown and

things that I've learned. And I feel like what I was

sitting across from you those years ago, I was so naive to what I was about to be

thrown into the middle of for better or for worse, I was naive and now

I'm much more seasoned, much more experienced and

much more sure of myself. - How have you managed to

stay sane through the machine? So, 'cause yeah, you

really were just, I mean, kid in a certain way, like I feel like we were kids

and it's only three years ago and it's not like we're 18, but we were sort of

kids in this thing. You started just saying

what you thought. One of the moments we've

discussed this many times privately, where I was like,

oh, Candace is the real deal. Is there was a question

that I asked you about this surveillance state

in that first interview. And you basically said,

I don't have an opinion. I need to know more. And I was like, well,

nobody does that. That's what you're supposed

to make up some shit. But you actually said that. And I thought, this is someone

who will learn going forward. - I think that's definitely

what separated me from other people. I've just remained

really authentic. I'm not trying to be an

expert on everything. I've been honest about the

fact that I'm learning. And I say now that I've pretty

much grown up politically in front of everybody's faces, they've seen my awkward braces, due to the analogy,

my brace phase, the pimple phase of

me being in politics. And there were things that

I genuinely did not know. I had never heard of because

I spent my entire life not being politically inclined. And then suddenly

I'm on your show because I just had a feeling

more than a fact, right? I had a feeling that black

Americans were being duped and that none of

it really added up, none of it made any sense. And I wanted to convert

those feelings into facts and start really doing

the work and studying. And some people wanted to push

me as, now you're a leader, you must know everything when

I wasn't ready to do that. And other people were

trying to make me stand by, Google through these

Puritan tests, if you will, that the Puritan Conservatives. And then I have the Left

trying to destroy me, the Puritan Conservative,

trying to prove that I wasn't what I was, I guess,

held up to be. And it was crappy,

it was really crappy. 'Cause I'm sitting

here going guys, I'm literally just telling

you, I've been authentic, I haven't said that people

should be following me over, you know, into another

area or anything like that. But I survived it because I'm

authentic and I wasn't scared. I was never scared to be myself. - Why not? Not scared to be yourself, but why weren't you

scared by the attacks? Like when Twitter

puts their lead story is basically, you

know, on the search bar was like, you know,

something like Candace Owens is all right, which eventually they took

down after you respond. 'Cause you always punched back. But what do you think it

is about you specifically that, you know, 'cause a lot

of people fear this thing, they know who they

are, they wanna fight, but they just fear the monster. - You know, I think for

me, what's really aided me is perspective. So I've had people they're

all stressed out about Twitter and Facebook and

all of these things. And to me, I think

first and foremost, being someone that

came from nothing, you know, a person that

was not raised in a family that had any financial

means who grew up poor. My perspective is

a bit different. And I think to myself, if the biggest

complaint I have today is that I'm trending on

Twitter about something that I didn't say or were

taken out of context, then I'm remarkably blessed. A couple of generations ago, my grandfather

was picking cotton and laying out tobacco dry

on a sharecropping farm. I couldn't look him

in the face and say, I've had a really stressful day because I'm trending on Twitter

and that's not what I said. It's just perspective. Yeah, you have to... And I also have a tremendously

good sense of humor. - Yeah, you do, you do. Well, what is the part of you

that is actually political? 'Cause you don't

really strike me, like when we hang

out separately, like we always talk politics, but we talk about a

lot of other stuff and it's usually cultural what

we're really talking about. But you're thought of as

like this political beast, like, Candace is gonna

be president or again, is gonna be a Senator. You know, something like that. - I mean, I remind people

of what Andrew Breitbart said about politics is

downstream from culture. It's such an important thing. He's so accurate with that. The reason why things

weren't changing and conservative ideas

weren't winning in society is because conservatives

by and large stuck up their nose to culture. And I say that as somebody who had to go through the

conservative ring of fire too. People know obviously the

Left routinely attacks me and that they've attacked me since I started

making YouTube videos, but they forget that

conservatives attacked me too. You know, one of the

first hate pieces that was written about me, was written by the

National Review and I'll never

forget the sentence. This is the sort of conservatism

that we need to reject is what they wrote. This is the sort of... Because I was

making funny videos, 'cause I was making people

understand big concepts, because I wasn't writing

a 95 thesis, you know, 95 thesis and stapling

it to a wall and saying, here you go guys. - Right you weren't

in a think tank funded by a gagillion dollars - Yeah, I was just on YouTube

taking some complex topics and being conversational and that same kind of

vein of conservatism or the people that thoroughly

rejected Donald Trump. Donald Trump is cultural, he takes complex topics

and he dilutes them down to something that

feels tangible. That somebody who's

a normal individual, that's a hard worker can

understand #lockherup. Right, he's saying a

lot in there, right? There's corruption that's

been going on for a long time. Something needs to change. It's a swamp, right? People hate how

colloquial that is, but people will respond to

a more colloquial manner and how I speak, I don't

speak to my cousins, like I'm giving a thesis paper. I talked to them

conversationally and

that was my style. - But Candace as someone

that's had dinner with that Trump guy and

has been to The Oval Office and done other things

with that Trump guy, I thought he hates black

people, I saw on CNN. He's a racist and a homophobe. - It's crazy and I think

it's fortunate that the media continually

overplays their hand. It's fortunate because it's

the reason that I exist. And anybody who has a

modicum of intelligence knows that this man has been

in the media for decades. He was never accused of being

racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobe, none of those things. And then suddenly he runs

for president United States and he's all of those things. So for me, it just gave

me pause and I just said, this can't be right. I, by no means in that moment, when it came on, the escalator thought he should be

president of United States. But I also wasn't

dense enough to believe that as he came

down that escalator, he suddenly became the literally

Hitler white supremacist that CNN, MSNBC tried

to turn him into. So I appreciate the media

and them constantly smearing and libeling people because

I think that it's actually, it's working in our favor and it's working on

the side of truth because more people are

questioning their relationship with the media. - So how does someone like you

balance the identity politics that you hate that

we constantly mock versus as you always say to me, you just want black people

to think for themselves or have black people realize they don't have to be Democrats. So there it is twined with

identity politics, right? Blexit is twined with it. And I always say, when

people ask me this, I have to use their

rules against them, sort of something like that. But how do you balance that? - Well, I think it's

understanding the difference between identity and

identity politics. So I am happy to be black. I think black can

be an identity. I think Jewish can

be an identity. I think a part of your identity

can be if I was pregnant and I wanted to take

a class and sit around with a bunch of pregnant moms and talk about the struggles

that we're going through, that's not identity politics, that's all of us coming together because we share a

certain identity. And we're talking

about certain things that are relevant to us, black Americans convening

to talk about things that are relevant for them

is not identity politics. If I was using Blexit

and at our Blexit events, we were saying, you need to

vote for Donald J. Trump. You need to stop

being a Democrat and start being a Republican. That would be identity politics because of the

color of your skin. It's quite the opposite. We're talking about why

the color of our skin and the dialogue, and the

race dialogue is meaningless. We're talking about

taking responsibility for things that are going

on amongst our communities that we have been the

perpetuators of, you know, we talk about police

brutality in a real context, we talk about that weighed

against black on black crime. I think the only way that

black community gets fixed is if the black community

sort of realizes that we do have an identity

that we've made a lot of errors that we continue to

make a lot of mistakes, and we say, you know what, it's time for us to stop

blaming the white man. It's time for us to

stop looking externally and to start looking internally and how we can

make a difference. - So when you see Trump

do the State of the Union and he talks about the

lowest black unemployment all the time, and immediately

the headlines say, no, no, no, that was because of Obama. Which even if perhaps some

of that is true, perhaps, well, the guy didn't wreck it. So that seems pretty good. But more importantly, that

when you see the congressional black caucus and they sit

there with their arms folded over the lowest old

time black unemployment, now that, something

doesn't add up there. - Right, and it doesn't

add up because when Obama gave his State of the

Union and he announced more food stamps

and more welfare, they stood up and they applauded that got a standing ovation. So that's the kind of

stuff that you can just use to ask black

Americans, why is that? Why did Rashida leave, walk

out when Trump announced that less people were filing

for welfare and food stamps, she said, she walked

out and she said they were having

something taken from them and she just couldn't bear

anymore and she walked. - Well, she also said

impeach the motherfucker the day that she got elected. I mean, literally so it's like, was this a fair judge

of what's going on here? - Right, and what

you realize is that what they want for

black Americans is to be a permanent underclass. They need black

Americans to be dependent upon the government. And that's just the truth. And we are dependent

upon the government. By and large, we are

dependent upon the government. We've allowed the

government to come in and father our

families, you know, with the Great Society

Act in the 1960s, systematically removing

black men from the home and making black women bitter. And that's an interesting thing and one that I haven't

talked about enough, but people always

ask me, you know, what are some of the issues

facing the black community? We're not a community. We don't know how

to communicate. We don't know how to

do conflict resolution, especially black women. And you know, this

whole stereotype of

an angry black woman, where does that

really come from? I've been having those sorts

of early conversations. Well, it comes from the

fact that black women have had to do

things by themselves because they've allowed

the government tell them that they should be doing

things by themselves. And after decades of allowing

this whole baby daddy, a phenomenon to break out

into our communities, right? And now we're saying to men, they don't need

to be responsible because the government will

step in and give us more money if they're not

inside of the homes, you have this, this new epidemic

where you have, you know, black women that are upset. They can't really pinpoint

why it is that they're upset and nothing's really changing and nothing's really

been productive. So there's so much that's

fractured in my community that has nothing to do with

white man, the Jewish man, Hispanic men, nothing. We have accepted government

as our source and our solution for everything and

simultaneously broken

apart our families. - So one of the things that

I think you've explained really well, which

is right off that is that generally again,

the black community, which is a bit of

an amorphous term, generally, actually the values usually do lean

more conservative. And it's only through

sort of media tricks that they don't realize

that something like that. Can you talk about

that a little bit? - Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we're

naturally conservative. I mean, even when all of

the candidates were running and people were trying to take Pete Buttigieg'e

judge, seriously, and I immediately said,

this is all a farce, pretending that

Buttigig'e the judge is going to be the presidential

candidate for the Democrats is a joke because

he's gay, right? And he's a gay married man. And that he's

running as a Democrat and the Democrats

need the black vote. The black community will not

vote for a gay, married man to be the candidate. That's just a fact

whether people like that, it makes them uncomfortable,

it doesn't mean anything. - So is that a religious

thing, you think-- - It's tethered to

Christianity, absolutely. And black people

are deeply faithful and every poll

showed that, right? And you saw the Left ignoring

that piece of evidence. Oh, well, we're not gonna look

at the fact that Black people are pulling very low and

then they're not okay with the fact that he's

married to a black man because they don't

want to accept reality. So that first and

foremost, right? So on the LGBT stuff,

the black community is fiercely, fiercely,

fiercely, conservative, especially when it comes

to the trans stuff, there was a remarkable

video of a black pastor. And it doesn't, you can't

see what he's looking at, but there's a congregation. And he looks straight down

at the man and he says, you need to leave this

church when you come in, I don't care what you do

outside of this church, but when you come

here on Sundays, you come dressed as a man. And to be speaking to you,

obviously a trans individual man that was wearing a dress

or dressed as a woman, and he kicked him

out of the church and the entire black

congregation started

applauding, right? That is the black community

on LGBT issues, right? If you ask me--- - What would you like to see, would you like to see

something change there? I mean, as someone that I know, you have a lot of gay friends, we're friends and by the way, I completely

separate the T thing, the trans thing

from the gay thing. But what would you

like to have in that? - I think that what I'm

talking about right now, it's just the reality in

terms of like not black people leaning more

conservatively, naturally. But 100%, I hope that

the black community is at the forefront of

standing up to the trans stuff. I never wanna see that change. And I think that it is

incumbent upon the gay community to expel it. You take the T off or we're

not playing the game, right? If you're saying that now

this is a package deal, and that somehow you

being a married gay man means that in order

for me to accept that, I have to also take drag queens and men that are

dressed as women and them being allowed to

go into women's restrooms, no, I'm not playing the game. - Well, the other part

that I hate about it is that I have no more

insight into what it is like to be a trans

person than you do. You know what I mean? I am in the body, I

am supposed to be in. - They have nothing

to do with each other. That you're talking

about sexual preference versus a mental disorder. A mental disorders the

right way to call it. If you're telling me your mind and your physical are

out of order, right? That that is a mental disorder. Whether you want to call

it a physical disorder or mental disorder, it

is a disorder, right? And to conflate that

with a sexual preference, which doesn't impact me, right? But does you being married

to a gay man, impact me? - You've been here

for many nice dinners. - It doesn't impact me. And does me being married to

a straight man impact you? Okay, but if

suddenly, like I said, a part of you accepting the

fact that me and my husband are married means that you

have to also accept the fact that you know, your child is

now going to be exposed to men, dressed as women and be

read to by a drag queen and over-sexualized

and all of this stuff that comes with the trans

movement, which I view as evil. I really do. It's something that

I'm very opposed to. That's what I see is

where it gets problematic. And there needs to

be more gay people speaking out against

it and saying that we're not just gonna let you

put this on our wagon, right? And so, I mean, that's something that I'm passionately against and I've been against it

since I've been on your show. - Yeah, well, Douglas Murray, who I know you've talked to. I mean, he's and who

happens to be gay, I mean, I think he's

really led the charge, the books over here

somewhere where he separates these two things. They just have nothing

to do with each other just to clean all of that up for the people that

will clip this and go, oh, Candace hates trans people. How would you, like if a trans

person that worked at a place that you work at,

or a trans person that you met on the street or

had coffee with or something, how would you like

them to be treated under the law and

the rest of it? - They should be

always be protected. And this concept of like, because I don't want

to now adapt my life to the way that you

prefer to lead yours now means that I somehow think

that you should be harmed or hurt, no, this is America. You should be afforded

the exact same protections I'm afforded to

under the law, right? But if I woke up one day and

said that I was Superman, and I said, now all of a sudden we have to legislate the fact

that I think I'm Superman, That's crazy. I mean, we have to accept that there are various other

disorders too, in this world, there are mental

disorders in this world, people that suffer from

schizophrenia, bipolar, all of these things, the difference is that we

encourage them to get help. And we don't demand that the

whole world pretend and shift to accommodate their

various illnesses, right? If somebody is schizophrenic

or somebody is suffering from split personality disorder, we don't say, okay,

well, you get two votes because you think you're

two people, right? That's the trans argument. - Patients, patients. - Patients, you're right. Give it just a couple of years, Democrats will be on that too. But that's the trans argument, which is that because this

is what I'm going through, gender dysphoria, which

is very real by the way, everyone now must adapt. And we must pretend

that there's 36 genders when there's just not, and then to call people

that acknowledge it and can see reality

for what it is, bigoted or saying they have a

phobia is just wrong and it's not an area where

I'm willing to give up any yards on the football field. - Yeah, so when you see

Trump addressing, you know, the employment issues

with the black community, and you understand that

from your perspective that the black

community is more, I hate, I just hate

saying the community word. It's just-- - Black people, blacks. - Yeah, but even that, like, 'cause of course there's just

all these different types of black people, of course. But by and large or

whatever you wanna call it. So unemployment down, he's also doing some stuff

on criminal justice reform. I mean, we were at, in DC, we did an event and we went

to the Trump Hotel for a drink and helped me with the

woman's name that we met, the woman that he

got out of jail. - Alice Johnson.

- Alice Johnson, yeah. I mean, he's done some

pretty good stuff there too. - He's done some

really good stuff. And I will say this, it's great that we're addressing

some of these, you know, older policies that were put

in place first and foremost, like the things that

were put in place by the Clintons themselves, that definitely did

disadvantaged black men. And I've realized that

I do see a disconnect. And this is where I go separate

from a lot of conservatives on this issue, because I have

found that some conservatives are hardcore on criminal

justice and they say, you do something bad, you're

locked up, throw away the key and you're done with it. And that to me, shows

that they have not had much of an

experience with people that end up in the system. I do agree that above a certain

age you've committed crimes, you basically, it becomes

very hard for you to come back from that. But when people are young and they're committing

their first offense, and it's the first time

they're going into prison, so much change can happen. There are circumstances are

usually being led by, you know, I have uncles I've spent their

lives in and out of prison. When you're completely

impoverished, and back is against the wall, when you don't have

your father at home, sort of the natural

direction that you trend to, is towards the streets 'cause you will pursue that

paternity elsewhere, right? So if you are not getting that

guidance from mom and dad, because they're not at home and you're not having dinner

around the table at night, you're still gonna want

somebody to be the mom and dad. So that's leads

you to the streets, that could lead you to culture, that can lead you to hip hop. Suddenly Jay Z and

Kanye are mom and dad. And whatever they're telling

you, if somebody's saying, grab a gun, go outside. You think that that's

the direction that

you should be into. So there's so much that happens when you talk about

the fatherles problem that we have in the

black community. And if you can

get them in prison and you can make just

small differences in terms of helping them

transition when they get out, you know, I've been in

prison for two years, you're gonna give me

$50 and a bus ticket and you expect me not

to go back to crime? Those are the things that

are really important. And I spent some

time, two years ago, visiting some prisons and

speaking to the inmates. And it really woke

me up to that. Now on the other side of that and where conservatives

are getting it right, is that this is not... You can't make the argument that because there's a lot

of black people in the system that the system is rotten. Black people, we

commit more crimes. That is just the truth. We are disproportionately

represented in the prison system because we are

disproportionately

committing crime. It goes back to that thesis of, we gotta be more responsible. - Yeah, yeah, there's

a lot there, okay. So why is this stuff so hard

for people to understand? Do you think, like,

is that purely, just 'cause of the

cultural aspect that you just constantly

get the reverse message? - Yeah, it's not hard

for people to understand. It's people don't

wanna understand it. I say now that nobody

ever won an election cycle on the slogan of be

more responsible, right? 'Cause nobody

wants to hear that. Nobody wants to hear

and be more responsible. And that's the truth. A lot of these things and

these issues that we have, in society are because people

are not being more responsible because people are

making bad decisions. And unfortunately

going back to culture, yes, we have a culture

that tells us it's okay to not be responsible. So it's okay to offset

all of your issues. It's okay to blame, you

know, external institutions for the problems that you're

dealing with internally. So it becomes easy. And like I said,

looking yourself in

the mirror and saying, I am bad in this way, or I need

to correct this, it's hard. And most people just don't

have the humility to do it. - Do you find it funny

the way they always end up turning it on themselves too? So once you use racism or sexism

or homophobia as the tool, it always ends up

coming back on you. So like Cory Booker

gets out of the race, next thing you know, Cory,

Booker's saying that, you know, it's because of racism. Elizabeth Warren gets out, everyone says it's

because of sexism, but it's like, guys, it

was the Democratic primary. It was your people. It wasn't those

evil Republicans. It wasn't those

evil conservatives. It was your people. So you're saying your

people are racist? And actually that is

what they're saying. And perhaps there's

some truth there. - Right, and what

they say basically, is if I don't get what I want, there's something

bigger happening on. There's something

bigger going on. - How sweet is that? - It's the best thing ever. And actually, I was just

responding to a tweet when I came in here,

about the woman who had that big

mathematical hysterical... Did you see that on MSNBC? - Oh, Gay is her last name? Is it Marcy Gay? I think it's Marcy Gay

from the New York Times. - Well was it, 500 million

divided by 300 million equals 1 million or something. - Basically Bloomberg

with the 500 million that Bloomberg spent

on the campaign. He could've given every

American a million dollars. And Brian Williams

agreed with him. And apparently the researchers and all it's like,

we're in here, I got a couple of

crew members in there, but we're just doing our thing. It's like, nobody's

got no IFB here with someone telling me numbers. They have a whole series

of people in there and yes, 500 million could actually

give a million people to every American 350

a million Americans. - 350 million Americans so her

math on that is 500 million divided by 350

million Americans-- - But putting aside

the math mistake, I don't think that's where

you're going with this. - Yeah, because

then she tweeted, I don't know if you saw this-- - Yeah, I saw it, I saw it. - She's written an article

saying that the racist mob is not going to stop her because she had to endure racism because

of her mathematical error. And how pathetic is that? I mean, really think about that. This is what really

frustrates me. This whole concept of

black people being strong. Are we acting strong right now? No, we're acting

pathetic, right? You can't accept that

people are mocking you because you did something

that was ridiculous and embarrassing. You know, what would be strong? You owning it and

making fun of yourself. What would be funny? You going on Saturday Night

Live and doing a whole skit. Of you like trying

to calculate things and being wrong, it

would make you likable. People would go,

haha, that's the girl. You know, just, just

laugh at yourself, have a sense of humor. We all make mistakes. You know, we all sometimes

get it completely wrong or say something ridiculous. But for you to say, even

something that's small, right? You make a mathematical error and you're still able

to transform that into a moment of racism

because black people cannot be wrong in anything. Even when they're literally, factually,

mathematically, incorrect, it's because people are racists. - And it's such a trap door too, because Brian Williams came

off looking as ignorant and confused as she did. But Brian Williams didn't

make an excuse for it, you know what I mean? And also I quickly glanced

at the Twitter feed when she posted the

New York Times article. And it was like, people

weren't calling her race. There was nobody

saying anything racist. Nobody was saying,

oh, that black woman is stupid because she's black. Like there was

nothing like that. It was like, it was basically

like you're both idiots. Like there was a lot of that, not to say that no racist

person got in there and said something. Lord knows that,

I'm sure they did, but like the knee

jerk response to go, Oh my get out of

jail, free card, Is this.

- Is race. Right, and what it really

speaks to is the fact that I really believe that

in this moment in time, black people are

looking pathetic, that the people that we

have leading culturally, look pathetic. This whole, you know, Jussie

Smollett is pretending. He's launching racist

attacks on himself. Hiring big black men. I mean if you're

gonna pay to do it, pay some white guys 'cause

the police will go with it. So when we see the images, it looks like you maybe

thought it was white people that were doing this to you, but it's happening

more and more. And another example of that is

there was a young black girl. And I can't think of

her name at the moment who said that white boys

attacked her in school. It was Karen Pence's

school that she teaches at and they cut off her dreadlocks and they called

her racial slurs. The entire thing

was made up, right? What bothers me

about that situation of that young black

girl doing that, is that it's not

her fault, right? She is now being raised

in an environment where black people are

aspiring to victimhood, right? She's seeing her idol. She's seeing the Karla Camposes, the Jussie Smollet,

the, whoever this is that wrote for the New York

Times, aspire to victimhood like you get an

award at the end. Like you get a trophy. And this is an amazing thing. You get to be a victim and

you get to be a star now because everyone's

gonna come behind you. And they're gonna

feel bad for you. And they're gonna award you. You're gonna get accolades. So this poor young girl, I actually genuinely

my heart hurt for her because she was so young. And for her to do that,

there was no other reason than she's a product of an

environment of black victimhood. And there's not

enough black Americans that are able to

take a joke, right? Just basic things I say

to you, you know what? I'm not living in

this simulation of

white versus black. And that's what I think that

is going to be the next natural generation of black kids. Just wanting to be a

victim all the time. - So when you've

gone to Blexit events and do all of the

things you're doing, do you sense that that thing

is just basically ready to crack? Like when I've seen the videos

of the events that you do, it's like the joy that is

in that room is incredible. It's absolutely incredible. It's way more joyous than if

you were to go to some event where you'd be up

there going, you know, the Republicans did this to you and we're gonna give

you more of this. Like there's no joy

unrelated to any of that. And people want to be joyous. And one of the things,

you always told me

from the beginning is how pissed you

were that the way that black people stop being funny because black people

are naturally funny. - They're naturally funny. And that black people,

Jews, naturally funny. There's something about

going through struggle. And that gives you

a sense of humor-- - The outsider look. - Blue collar perspective

and a sense of humor gets you through tough

times, it really does. And that was kind of... We coined the market on

that, on a sense of humor. And I always talk about

the old standup routines and Bigger and Blacker is

one that comes to mind, which is the one I

watched most recently, just a great--

- It is a perfect-- - It's a perfect stand up. You know what's

perfect about it? Because he's so

racist to everyone. He goes into the first

thing he says is, yeah, white people are in

the back tonight, right? And then everyone

starts laughing. And by the time he's done, he's insulted black people,

the baby mama drama, he's insulted white people,

Jewish people, school shootings. He even went there at that time. This was in like 1990,

but he starts being like, oh, that's a white

person crying. You know what I mean? Like talk about the differences

between white crimes and black crime. - Yeah, he's got

that great line about he's like people think black

people don't like Jews, but like, we hate all of you. - And everyone's laughing. And it's just incredible

because by the end of it, you suddenly realize that

you all kind of suck, right? In your various ways

and you feel closer and you feel better for it. That is what humor

is supposed to be. It was always supposed

to be medicinal. It was supposed to

be a way of saying that like your problems

aren't as big as the problems of the person next to

you, and we all suck. And this is kind of

the condition of life. And we're doing this together. You can't do that

anymore, right? If he did that skit

today, go back and I mean, go back and watch it. He would be canceled before. I mean, it would be insane. It would be insane, he would be canceled before

he got out the first joke. And they'd be like,

this is not funny. I can't, white people

in the back tonight? This is completely

inappropriate. I mean like, that would

be the critics today. - Yeah, ah, God, it's

all, it's so nuts. Or look at what's his name? That guy, he was

gonna host the Oscars. Kevin (snapping fingers) Kevin, what's his name? - Kevin Hart.

- Kevin Hart. - Yeah, a tweet--

- From years ago. - More than 10 years ago. - One joke of gay, whatever. - Right, and I'll tell you

what's wrong with that. The bigger issue with that, the first thing is he

shouldn't have backed down. And I thought that

that was an example of black people being pathetic. He should have stood his ground. And that's what I love about. Give me the black

community and that, Dave-- - Dave Chappelle.

- Dave Chapelle. I love Dave Chappelle

'cause he stands his ground. He to me is he is saving

black humor right now. And people won't realize until his legacy

settles what he's doing. But aside from that,

remove Kevin Hart and think about this

next generation of kids. We were afforded... Facebook started when I

was in high school, right? So I got to be a kid,

there was no social media. My dad had a beeper

when I was growing up, and I got to be a kid and what

I mean by I got to be a kid, I got to be a crappy human being because part of growing

up is experimenting with being a crappy human being, is looking you in the face

saying, you know what, you're fat, right? I either liked the

way that sounded or I liked the way

the person reacted. Okay, I know I was a mean

person, I didn't like that. Trying when I had

AIM, like, you know, just something mean to say,

yeah, I can say whatever I want. And we didn't have the

society who could capture our old... God, could you imagine if the

old age AIM chats came back, they'd be like Candace get's

canceled in third grade for saying something. My handle was BratForLife. Like, you know what I mean? Like really ridiculous stuff. But the purpose of growing

up is to experiment with who you want to be. And kids are notoriously mean. They're picking on each other,

they're getting bullied. And now you're saying

the kids at what you do, even if it