Brandon Tatum Interviews Charlie Kirk on Masculine Leadership and the Conservative Movement at AmericaFest

[00:00] My next guest is probably one of the

[00:02] smartest, if not the smartest person

[00:04] that I know, hardest working person that

[00:07] I know and has done so much wonder, so

[00:10] many wonderful things with college

[00:12] outreach and the conservative movement

[00:14] all around the world, I would say. So,

[00:16] my next guest is Charlie Kirk.

[00:21] All right, ladies and gentlemen, in the

[00:22] spirit of supporting my buddy Charlie,

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[01:17] All right, ladies and gentlemen. be back

[01:19] for another interview here at America

[01:21] Fest. The biggest, the baddest

[01:23] conservative event in America, I would

[01:26] say in American history. I love seeing

[01:28] all the young people and all the people

[01:30] are standing around watching the

[01:31] interview right now, but I love to see

[01:33] all the patriots come from all over the

[01:34] country to be here. But my next guest is

[01:38] probably one of the smartest, if not the

[01:40] smartest person that I know, hardest

[01:42] working person that I know and has done

[01:44] so much wonder, so many wonderful things

[01:47] with college outreach and the

[01:49] conservative movement all around the

[01:51] world, I would say.

[01:52] >> So my next guest is Charlie Kirk.

[01:55] Charlie Kirk, welcome to the show.

[01:56] >> Brandon, God bless you, man. Thank you.

[01:58] And uh I I want to reciprocate. You're

[02:00] very special and we've been working

[02:01] together for a while and Blexit is going

[02:04] like crazy right now. It it is

[02:05] unbelievable. We're hiring more people

[02:07] and the outreach and your and Candace's

[02:09] vision is just is growing by the day.

[02:11] Pier is doing such a great job. You

[02:12] should be really proud of him. It really

[02:14] is great. So

[02:15] >> Pier is an incredible leader and and it

[02:16] speaks it speaks to when you pour into

[02:19] people when you have the ability or you

[02:21] have, you know, you have the experience

[02:24] and you've been able to grow and you

[02:25] pour into a younger person and watch it

[02:27] grow. It's beautiful.

[02:27] >> It's amazing. Bleet is just getting

[02:28] started, man. It really is. So, Charlie,

[02:30] Charlie, man, how does it feel being the

[02:33] leader in such an incredible movement

[02:36] across the country? I mean, in college

[02:37] and universities all over the country. I

[02:40] mean, thousands. I go to these

[02:41] universities. If it wasn't for Turning

[02:43] Point USA, we would lose our country.

[02:45] >> Oh, thank you.

[02:46] >> The young people we the next generation

[02:48] is I think the almost the sole

[02:50] responsibility has been on the back of

[02:52] Turning Point USA to turn people.

[02:53] >> Look, there there's a lot of great

[02:54] people doing work out there. Um, we work

[02:57] hard and we we produce results. You know

[02:59] that, right? Um people say, "What makes

[03:01] Turning Point different?" We put in more

[03:02] hours, right? We do. And um look, how

[03:05] does it feel? I'm humbled. Uh glory be

[03:07] to God. He has blessed this

[03:08] organization. He's had this hand on his

[03:10] hand on this organization. Um he has

[03:12] protected this organization. He has

[03:14] provided for this organization. Um and

[03:16] we're doing our best to be obedient and

[03:20] to do what he tells us to do.

[03:22] Deuteronomy 6:5 with to love him with

[03:24] all of our being, our soul, strength,

[03:26] and mind. Right.

[03:26] >> Yeah. And that's what we try to do every

[03:29] single day at Turning Point USA. Um, and

[03:32] look, right now it says in Psalm 97:10,

[03:34] "If you love God, you must hate evil."

[03:36] And there is a lot of evil to hate right

[03:38] now in this country. So, look, I'm just

[03:40] humbled. I'm blown away. I have to pinch

[03:42] myself, you know, and this event

[03:45] especially, it's like a time machine

[03:46] because I see people that I remember 11

[03:49] years ago when I used to meet at Wendy's

[03:51] and Denny's and there was no Turning

[03:53] Point USA, right? And it was just an

[03:55] idea literally on a couple pieces of

[03:57] paper. Um, and it's just a testament

[03:59] honestly to this great country. I mean,

[04:02] we're living through tough times. The

[04:03] country is not in the place it should

[04:05] be. Our government is awful. But Turning

[04:08] Point USA should give a lot of people

[04:10] hope that big and beautiful things can

[04:13] still be accomplished.

[04:14] >> Right. And I and I love that because

[04:16] big, beautiful, great things can happen

[04:18] even at a young age.

[04:19] >> Yeah. Amen. somebody like you can lead

[04:21] such a great organization as a young

[04:24] man. I mean, I don't even think you're

[04:25] over 30 yet.

[04:26] >> I just hit 30, you know. I'm going to

[04:27] retire soon. I'm getting old for this,

[04:29] though.

[04:30] >> You're a veteran in the game now.

[04:31] >> Yeah, that's right.

[04:32] >> But you inspire me, man. Just like Vake

[04:35] and some of the the young generation of

[04:36] young men because I think men are

[04:39] important to take the lead, take charge.

[04:41] >> 100%. Look, I I'm all for women

[04:43] empowerment and all that stuff, but we

[04:46] men have to lead. We're hardwired to

[04:49] lead. We're hardwired to hunt, right?

[04:51] And praise God that moms are stepping up

[04:54] and fighting. Praise God for all that.

[04:56] But honestly, where are the men? You

[04:58] know, the conservative movement needs a

[04:59] core remnant of godly, high tea,

[05:03] aggressive, entrepreneurial men. We do,

[05:06] right? And I think that's what Trump

[05:08] embodies in some way is that he's the

[05:10] anti- in a lot of ways he's like the

[05:13] anti-feminine. He's the most

[05:14] anti-feminine like creation ever, right?

[05:18] big red tie, alpha posture, right? The

[05:22] movements, you know, unapologetic about

[05:24] his wealth. Some people think it's too

[05:26] much.

[05:26] >> But what I don't think we ever talk

[05:28] about with Trump, one of the reasons why

[05:29] he's popular is that he's a throbbing

[05:32] masculine middle finger to a beta male

[05:34] culture.

[05:34] >> Right. 100%. And we and like you said,

[05:37] we need more men to step up. The Bible

[05:39] tells us, Amen. When we look at it, you

[05:41] know, Christ is the head of the church,

[05:42] but the man is the head of the

[05:43] household.

[05:44] >> That's the buried lead of that verse.

[05:45] >> Right. Right. Right. And if we it's it's

[05:47] almost like an outlet plugging into a

[05:48] wall. If you're not plugging it into the

[05:50] to the wall properly, the electrical

[05:52] current cannot flow through. If you do

[05:54] not organize, you know, the the the

[05:57] family structure the way it's supposed

[05:58] to be, then God's blessing is not going

[06:00] to come through.

[06:00] >> And look, this is, you know, the critics

[06:02] will say, you know, it's sexist. Look,

[06:04] men and women are wired differently. Our

[06:06] brains literally process information

[06:08] differently. We are much better

[06:11] macroinkers than women. Women are better

[06:13] microinkers. And I'll prove it to you.

[06:15] You go to a dinner party, a me men will

[06:18] be talking about sports. They'll be

[06:20] talking about the stock market or

[06:21] politics. The women will be talking

[06:24] about conversations they had or how

[06:26] their kids are doing in school. And by

[06:28] the way, those differences are

[06:29] beautiful.

[06:30] >> So, who would be better equipped to cast

[06:32] a vision? The macroinker or the micro

[06:34] thinker?

[06:35] >> But you and I, we probably sometimes

[06:37] don't get our details right. We're

[06:39] trying to save the world. We forget to

[06:40] tie our shoes.

[06:41] >> Right. Right. And we need to admit

[06:42] that's some that's something we as men

[06:44] don't do as well. But when you talk

[06:46] about saving a country, that's where the

[06:49] macro masculine energy is needed more

[06:51] than ever.

[06:52] >> Yeah. A thousand%. And the the the

[06:54] female energy, like you have a wife, I

[06:56] have a wife.

[06:57] >> We couldn't do what we do without them.

[06:58] >> Greatest decision I've ever made in my

[07:00] life.

[07:00] >> Praise God.

[07:01] >> The best investment a man can make in

[07:03] his life is getting the right woman to

[07:05] be his wife.

[07:06] >> That's right. I have never seen growth

[07:08] like I have uh in since I married Karen.

[07:11] It's just God and I think God anoints

[07:15] that covenant.

[07:16] >> That's right.

[07:17] >> It's biblical and

[07:18] >> it is biblical and what what people look

[07:22] the families under attack and we need a

[07:27] group and you're one of them. Vake is

[07:29] another where I see this kind of young

[07:31] 30 to early 40 group of young men.

[07:35] There's about 10 or 15 of us that are

[07:36] really kind of popping right now. You

[07:39] know what I mean?

[07:40] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[07:40] >> And there's a lot of similarities,

[07:42] right? Boundary pushing,

[07:44] >> rule breaking,

[07:46] >> right? Not afraid to be a little

[07:48] aggressive, godly, married, kids.

[07:51] >> Yep.

[07:52] >> I think you're on to something here.

[07:53] >> Yeah. And that's in the DNA in the

[07:55] fabric of what America is all about. In

[07:57] the fabric of how we established. But I

[08:00] want to get to another subject because

[08:02] you go on college campuses all the time

[08:03] and have to deal with the craziness of

[08:06] what professors are doing and

[08:08] brainwashing young people. It's almost

[08:10] to the point where parents should be

[08:12] afraid to send their kids to these woke

[08:15] universities because you may lose them.

[08:17] You raise them Christian or you raise

[08:19] them in a household of faith and and and

[08:21] principle and then they go there, they

[08:23] get around peers, they get influenced by

[08:25] intellects and they become woke

[08:27] lunatics.

[08:27] >> That's right. What's your thoughts on on

[08:29] the movement moving forward? Is there

[08:31] hope at the university campus?

[08:33] >> There's there is absolutely hope with

[08:34] the students and you do a great job,

[08:36] Brandon. You you get you need to get a

[08:37] lot of credit. Your voice is so

[08:38] important, especially on this race

[08:40] stuff. It drives me crazy and you are so

[08:42] good on it talking about, you know, just

[08:45] the the crime and the police stuff.

[08:47] You're just terrific. You're excellent.

[08:49] >> And that, by the way, that's a big topic

[08:50] on campus as you well know, the BLM

[08:53] stuff, the CRT, DEI.

[08:55] >> But as far as with the students, yes.

[08:57] And so the the way that I summarize

[08:59] Turning Point's campus mission is we are

[09:02] trying to execute a rescue operation of

[09:04] the students from the professors. I am

[09:07] not trying to save the institution. I

[09:09] hope the institution burns to the

[09:10] ground. Right.

[09:11] >> Right. I I'm not here to try to make

[09:13] Harvard great again, okay? Or Cal

[09:15] Berkeley. They are soulless, godless

[09:18] institutions that really are terrible.

[09:21] So I'm here to save the students. So

[09:22] there's hope for the students. For the

[09:24] institution, I'm not so hopeful. young

[09:26] people. I had a few people I interviewed

[09:28] when I talked to young people all around

[09:30] the country. It seems that the the

[09:32] younger generation, the generation

[09:34] younger than the millennials, generation

[09:36] X or is they called Gen Z? Gen Z. I said

[09:39] X is older. Gen Z, it seems like they're

[09:42] more conservative. It's not.

[09:43] >> Oh, they are. Especially the young men

[09:45] pendulum. It's like a pendulum and swing

[09:47] or e and flow.

[09:48] >> Yes. But you deserve credit for this,

[09:50] Brandon. Joe Rogan deserves credit.

[09:51] Andrew Tate deserves credit for all of

[09:53] his failings, right? uh Jordan Peterson,

[09:56] Matt Walsh, there's this group of male

[09:59] influencers that are reaching 12, 13,

[10:04] 14, 15, 16 year old men. And the data is

[10:07] showing it. If this continues, young men

[10:10] could politically shock the world this

[10:12] coming November. It could throw off a

[10:15] lot of the Democrat get out the vote

[10:17] operations. They're used to young men

[10:19] voting 60 70% Democrat. What happens if

[10:23] they vote 60 to 70% red? It cancels out

[10:26] all that young female and you have near

[10:28] equilibrium. And that if that happens,

[10:31] buckle up, baby.

[10:32] >> I'm looking at the the minority vote,

[10:35] too, this time around.

[10:36] >> I'm telling you, man.

[10:37] >> Listen, I don't know a single person

[10:39] that's black that voted for Biden and is

[10:43] going to vote for Biden again.

[10:44] >> I think there's an awakening happen.

[10:45] >> It's It's inevitable, though, because

[10:47] you can't use the rhetoric of this

[10:49] person's a racist, the tweets are bad.

[10:51] It's like, "No, look at your pocketbook.

[10:54] Look at the economy. Look at interest

[10:56] rates are out of control." And so the

[10:59] people can feel what's going on. Yes.

[11:01] And they're going to react to it.

[11:02] >> But you know what's so amazing? I love

[11:04] that is just anecdotally,

[11:06] >> I have more blacks and Hispanics coming

[11:09] up to me saying, "I'm watching your

[11:10] content. I'm resonating. I'm sure you're

[11:12] seeing the same thing." And it is

[11:14] noticeably more. And the data shows, by

[11:16] the way, the New York Times says that we

[11:17] might see a seismic shift in how

[11:19] non-white voters cast their ballot. And

[11:21] Brandon, I know you riff on this. You

[11:23] know, an average black voter, they hear

[11:25] that men can give birth. They say, "What

[11:27] are you talk this trans thing? We should

[11:30] go all in, right? We should go all in on

[11:32] the anti-trans agenda. It has no place

[11:35] in public life in America,

[11:37] >> right?" And and you know, we it goes

[11:38] beyond whether a person want to put a

[11:40] dress on and

[11:41] >> No, no, no. That's not the issue. It's

[11:42] the It's the taking over of women's

[11:45] sports. It's the def changing the

[11:47] English language that I have to use from

[11:49] singular to I have to use pronouns. Or

[11:51] even more than that, you're going to

[11:52] teach my kids this nonsense. You're

[11:54] going to act like it's normal. No, no,

[11:56] no, no. It's not about some dude in his

[11:58] living room that wants to wear different

[11:59] clothes. It's never been about that,

[12:01] okay? It's about forcing me to call him

[12:04] something he isn't.

[12:05] >> 100%. Forcing your kids to believe in

[12:07] this stuff. Yes. You know, and it's it's

[12:09] disheartening that we've gotten to this

[12:11] point. And I'm and I'm and I'm upset

[12:13] with women,

[12:14] >> young women who stand on the podium next

[12:17] to these deranged men.

[12:19] >> I agree completely, but I am going to

[12:20] add a butt. Okay, because women are more

[12:23] agreeable. They are

[12:24] >> right.

[12:25] >> The their fathers

[12:27] >> should be stepping up.

[12:28] >> True.

[12:28] >> That and I I I agree. You know,

[12:32] >> we should hold those young ladies to a

[12:33] higher standard. Okay.

[12:34] >> Well, well, just I'm just saying that we

[12:36] we should masculine energy that we need,

[12:39] right?

[12:39] >> I agree. I agree. I think that the

[12:41] masculine energy trumps the the the the

[12:43] blame game of the young man.

[12:45] >> But they still deserve blame and and

[12:47] they shouldn't go on a podium with a

[12:49] biological man. They should say two

[12:51] middle fingers. F you, man. You're a

[12:54] cheater. I'm not competing against a

[12:55] biological man. And so what if they call

[12:58] you a hater? We're not going to do it.

[13:00] But it's the fathers that shouldn't put

[13:01] up with it.

[13:02] >> I would I would be I won't say this on

[13:05] because I don't want anybody to get it

[13:07] misconstrued. There would be furniture

[13:09] moving and smoke if a boy went in the

[13:13] bathroom with my daughter. I It's

[13:15] unacceptable. I would show up. I will

[13:19] show out. I would be in front I

[13:20] >> You know how much in You know how much

[13:21] trouble I got in saying something like

[13:23] this similar?

[13:23] >> Really? Get me in trouble all you want.

[13:26] >> So here's what I say. Guess what I would

[13:29] do? Guess.

[13:32] >> Yeah. You can only imagine what

[13:33] >> That's it. I didn't say anything. Yeah,

[13:36] I'll let them use their imagination. I

[13:38] hit I hit a couple push-ups. Use your

[13:40] imagination.

[13:41] >> Fill in the blanks. It would be Old

[13:42] Testament.

[13:45] >> Um, look like we ran out of time.

[13:47] Charlie, look, we got to do this again.

[13:49] I'd love to come on your show.

[13:50] >> It would be nice if we both lived in the

[13:52] same city.

[13:52] >> I know, right?

[13:53] >> I mean, what is this all about? We We

[13:55] live We live like 11 minutes away from

[13:57] each other and we only see each other at

[13:58] events. I

[13:59] >> honestly believe we probably live closer

[14:01] than you think.

[14:02] >> Let's not talk about addresses.

[14:03] >> Yeah, exactly.

[14:04] We live close enough that we should be

[14:06] doing this all the time.

[14:07] >> We should be and I I am an admirer and

[14:09] the world is a better place because of

[14:11] Brandon Tatum.

[14:12] >> Oh, and it is. I mean,

[14:13] >> and Brandon Tatum is Brandon Tatum in

[14:16] part because of Charlie.

[14:17] >> That's very kind. Thank you.

[14:18] >> You guys gave me an opportunity way back

[14:20] when when I first started, me and

[14:22] Candace, and we took this thing and we

[14:24] ran with it.

[14:25] >> Look at it now.

[14:25] >> And we and look at we're back in full

[14:27] circle. I love it.

[14:28] >> We're together again. So, thank you,

[14:29] Charlie, for coming on. God bless you,

[14:30] brother.

[14:31] >> Thank you. Thanks.

[14:31] >> That's another interview. I'll see y'all

[14:33] on the next one. Make sure you get on

[14:34] the Discord um and share your thoughts.

[14:37] Let me know who you want me to interview

[14:39] next. God bless you guys. I'm out of

[14:41] here.

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