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Charlie Kirk sits down for an in-depth conversation about the dramatic shift happening on college campuses across America, where thousands of students are now showing up to hear conservative ideas. Kirk shares how his faith guides him through constant death threats, why he believes self-control matters more than self-esteem, and what he's learned from 12 years of visiting over 160 campuses. From discussing his partnership with Candace Owens to explaining why he'll never run for president, Kirk offers a rare glimpse into the personal convictions driving one of the most influential voices in American conservatism today.
From Cookie Inflation to Cultural Revolution
Charlie Kirk's journey into conservative activism began with something surprisingly mundane: a protest against cookie prices at Wheeling High School. When the price of warm chocolate chip cookies doubled from 25 cents to 50 cents during his senior year, Kirk organized what would become a bipartisan movement called "Students Against Cookie Inflation." Looking back, Kirk sees this as a precursor to the much larger mission he would undertake.
But Kirk's gift for communication and debate emerged even earlier. During his freshman and sophomore years of high school, teachers began recognizing something unusual about his ability to explain complex ideas and speak off the cuff. Kirk gravitated toward anything controversial or requiring in-depth explanation, particularly politics and debate. What he initially thought was a universal skill turned out to be a unique talent that would shape his entire life's trajectory.
The Decision That Changed Everything
Kirk's original plan was to attend West Point, dedicating his high school years to gaining admission to one of the nation's most competitive military academies. When that didn't work out, he found himself with lackluster college options and decided to take a gap year. That gap year has now stretched to 11 years.
The turning point came through Bill Montgomery, a mentor who was 72 when Kirk was just 18. Montgomery saw something in the young man and suggested he skip college entirely to speak across the country and start a movement. Kirk initially dismissed the idea as "hilarious," embodying the very attitude he would later encounter on college campuses. Growing up in suburban Chicago, where not attending a four-year university was considered a mark of failure, the concept was completely foreign to him.
Kirk recognized a critical problem during the Obama era, particularly living in Chicago where the campaign was headquartered. He watched his generation, Millennials, becoming what he believed would be the most progressive generation in history. The conservative movement's failure to reach young people, explain ideas effectively, and make conservatism exciting deeply troubled him. With Montgomery's guidance and support from other mentors like Mike Miller, Kirk learned the practical aspects of running an organization and launched what would become Turning Point USA.
Faith as the Foundation
When asked how he manages the weight of representing Christ while engaging in intense public debates, Kirk offers a nuanced perspective that has evolved over time. In his early twenties, when he was more of a peer to the students he debated, he felt no remorse about combative exchanges. Now at 30, married with two children and running a major organization, he approaches interactions more as a teacher than a peer.
Kirk emphasizes that Christ embodies both grace and truth, and if he's contesting in the public arena for truth, he's fulfilling Christ's calling. He views college campuses as institutions that have inverted reality, calling error truth. When he shares beliefs about saving oneself for marriage, the value of having children, or other traditional values, he's often met with criticism, but he sees this as part of his mission.
The fruits of the spirit—love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self-control—guide Kirk's approach. He admits self-control is his biggest challenge and credits the Holy Spirit for any ability he has to maintain composure. Without his faith, Kirk says he would have no self-control, despite it being one of the top compliments he receives from viewers.
Dealing with Constant Opposition
Kirk has developed what he describes as complete indifference to public criticism, though this took years to achieve. He's been blessed with an extraordinary life, traveling 3,300 days over the past decade, visiting every state, meeting world leaders, flying on Air Force One, and building relationships with presidents. This perspective helped him realize what truly matters: his relationship with God, his family, a close collection of friends, and his relationship with truth.
Kirk believes that constantly lying creates a form of soul suicide, distorting people emotionally, spiritually, and even physically. By contrast, telling the truth provides liberation and peace that transcends understanding. This peace, rooted in Philippians, goes beyond human reason, acknowledging that spiritual life sometimes supersedes rational explanation. Faith, Kirk argues, is the true mark of Christian life because it requires belief in something that cannot always be proven through the scientific method.
The Dramatic Campus Shift
Having personally visited over 160 campuses and spoken at roughly 140 of them over 12 years, Kirk has witnessed a remarkable transformation. Where events once drew modest crowds, he now regularly sees thousands of students attending, with venues unable to accommodate everyone who wants to attend. At the University of Washington in Seattle, one of the most liberal campuses in the country, 1,500 students attended his event while another 1,200 had to be turned away.
Kirk emphasizes that students aren't showing up for entertainment or comedy—they're hungry for substantive discussions about philosophy, history, and conservative values. Young men in particular are becoming increasingly conservative, patriotic, and anti-Marxist. While young women are also shifting, though less dramatically, the overall trend represents what Kirk calls a "right-wing revolution."
The turning point comes not through immediate conversions, which are rare due to pride, but through long-term transformation. Thousands of people who were once Bernie Sanders supporters, socialists, or atheists have become Turning Point USA chapter leaders and staff members. Many approach Kirk years after first hearing him speak, explaining how his message planted a seed that eventually grew into a complete worldview transformation.
The Partnership with Candace Owens
Kirk first met Candace Owens at the David Horowitz Freedom Center and immediately recognized her exceptional talent. At the time, she had about 45,000 Twitter followers and went by "Red Pill Black" on YouTube. Kirk offered her a job on the spot, predicting she would become one of the biggest figures in the conservative movement if they worked together.
Kirk takes pride in spotting and nurturing talent, pointing to other successful figures who got their start or significant boost through Turning Point USA, including Anna Paulina Luna, Brandon Tatum, Will Witt, Isabel Brown, and Benny Johnson. Watching them all succeed and flourish brings Kirk tremendous joy. The dynamic between Kirk and Owens, visible in their joint appearances, resembles best friends who complement each other's strengths while occasionally competing for the microphone in the most endearing way.
Why Kirk Will Never Run for President
Despite his influence and platform, Kirk has zero interest in running for office. His ideal life, which he believes he's already living, involves being a popular radio and podcast host, a great father and husband, running a major organization that influences the country, and having direct access to the president. Kirk feels called to build, inspire, and teach rather than manage or hold elected office.
Turning Point USA has grown to employ 600 full-time people across all its vectors, including Turning Point Action and Turning Point Academy. Kirk admits he's not good at sitting still and thrives in combat and building rather than in serene environments. His role is to fight evil and proclaim truth, which he sees as his specific calling within the diverse body of Christ.
The Biblical Foundation for Everything
Kirk studies scripture intimately and daily, listening to lectures and commentaries throughout the day. While he acknowledges others know the word better than he does, he finds the Bible both infinitely deep and immediately accessible. He recently completed a 90-day deep dive into Leviticus in the original Hebrew, though he admits reading Psalms might be more immediately nourishing.
One of Kirk's core beliefs centers on the fifth commandment: honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land. This is the only commandment that includes a promise involving your country. Kirk sees the systematic attempt to break the parent-child bond as a consistent feature of every tyranny in recorded history. When children don't respect parental authority, the state steps in to fill that void.
Kirk argues that parents should prioritize teaching children self-control over self-esteem, crediting Dennis Prager for this insight. Self-control comes from parents saying no and being willing to be respected rather than merely loved. When children fear the just consequences from their parents, they develop the self-discipline necessary for a functioning free society.
The Indoctrination in Education
Kirk's concerns about education have evolved dramatically over 12 years. When he wrote an essay as a high school senior criticizing liberal bias in AP Economics textbooks, the issue seemed relatively minor—disagreements about whether Reagan's tax cuts accelerated economic growth. Today, Kirk sees something far more sinister: explicit pornographic material being presented to children as young as eight or nine.
The strategy, Kirk argues, is deliberate. When a 10-year-old encounters graphic sexual content they don't understand, they naturally turn to the teacher rather than the parent. The teacher then becomes more of a parent than the actual parent, whose authority has been usurped without them realizing it. This strengthens the state while weakening the family.
However, Kirk also places responsibility on parents who have become naive and overly trusting of institutions that no longer deserve that trust. Parents must be on guard, engaged, and willing to establish clear boundaries and hierarchies in their homes. The most successful parenting, Kirk observes, combines unconditional love with clear rules and consequences for crossing boundaries.
Order, Freedom, and the Right-Wing Revolution
Kirk's upcoming book, "Right-Wing Revolution," argues that moving right actually means returning to the center—back to homeostasis and balance. American society has swung so far in a secular, atheist, Marxist direction that a rightward turn is necessary just to restore equilibrium and freedom.
This might seem counterintuitive, but Kirk explains that true freedom requires order. A society with extremely strong parents, strong neighborhoods, and strong moral foundations doesn't need 10,000 laws to monitor every aspect of human behavior. America in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, and early 80s had high marriage rates, strong families, and was consequently a freer society. Parents told children to go play and return before dark, and people didn't lock their doors.
The deterioration of Western morality has paradoxically made society less free. Kirk points to the jarring reality that Americans would feel safer having their loved ones walk the streets of Dubai, Abu Dhabi, or even Moscow at night rather than San Francisco, Los Angeles, or New York. While he doesn't advocate for Islamic theocracy or Russian-style governance, he argues that certain elements of orderly societies—like not tolerating petty crime and keeping streets safe—are worth acknowledging and learning from.
The Real Revolution Happening Now
Kirk attributes the right-wing revolution among Gen Z to a specific community of about 30 to 50 content creators who consistently speak in adversarial environments and produce daily social media content. This includes figures like Patrick Bet-David, Jordan Peterson, Candace Owens, Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Michael Knowles, Tucker Carlson, and others who appear on podcasts and long-form content platforms.
These voices have provided an alternative to mainstream narratives, planting seeds that grow over time. A generation that thought they were far left has experienced conversions and transformations. At Turning Point USA events, Kirk enforces a rule that anyone who disagrees goes to the front of the line, and the crowd is not allowed to boo or jeer opposition questions. This creates the open marketplace of ideas that college campuses should be but often aren't.
Kirk believes this revolution is succeeding because young people are thirsty for meaning and purpose. They recognize something unjust has happened to them and that they're being plundered by elites and previous generations. The conservative movement, despite its problems, remains more in tune with natural law and how human beings should live, while the left has declared war on human nature itself.
Safety, Security, and Calling
Kirk receives constant death threats, with some credible enough to result in federal prosecution. One 17-year-old posted on social media about plans to shoot up a Turning Point USA Student Action Summit in Tampa, announcing his flight details. The FBI intervened, and the individual was sentenced to three to four years in prison. Kirk takes proper security precautions but refuses to let fear dictate his actions.
His wife, Erika Kirk, shares his patriotic convictions and faith. Together, they don't want to be accountable to God for failing to trust Him and fight evil when called to do so. Kirk cites Psalm 97:10: "For those of you that love God, you must hate evil." While everyone is called to different roles within the body of Christ—some to heal the sick, others to mend broken marriages, others to do missionary work—Kirk's specific calling is to fight evil and proclaim truth in the public square.
With two young children, including a newborn, Kirk acknowledges the stakes are higher than ever. But he maintains that the armor of Christ—the breastplate of righteousness and the sword of truth described in Ephesians—provides protection that goes beyond physical security measures. His foundation remains his daily study of scripture and his relationship with the Divine, which he believes truly matters above all else.
Video Transcript
it's far more important to have your children have self-control than self-esteem oh my do you ever feel guilty when you're just annihilating some child in college life we as Christians are called to go into the public Arena to correct error with truth what is the worst case scenario in your mind this could God forbid go here nuclear war with Russia really yes well you guys did do your research are you trying to run for presiden you know what I would love I would love to be a very popular radio host podcast host great father great husband and live a very happy life where I can run a major organization influences the country and I could pick up the phone the president answers in the first ring that would be awesome but I feel like you're doing that right now so maybe I'm living the life I'm it's not often I sit down with somebody and they say something that makes me think you give me something to think DN I had a lot of fun on this interview hey before we get into today's episode I just want to let you guys know Phoenix August 1st the show's almost sold out so if you're in a and you want to come see me the George jeno Show podcast please please please hit the link in the description get your tickets now it's my first time performing in Arizona and I'm so excited to say that I think this is going to be my first soldout show so please do not wait go get your uh tickets now I just want to say right before you even start you are so much taller I have heard that before dude you are tall you're you play basketball yeah I used too okay good are you good I I mean I'm not like Colgate good but I was okay in high school what does collegate mean collegate so like to play at the Collegiate level so you have a fantastic vocabulary oh is that right yeah because when you argue with people I have to pause and then Google some of the words I'm being honest I'm being honest I can't lie I just go wow I not only do I learn from your perspective but I learn that's very sweet thank you well I I love the work you do as well it's very very important appr watching you for years so thank you thank you so much it's such an honor um well you know thanks for coming on the show I'm very excited this is shaa jelica my co-host yes welcome thank you for and uh today we have Charlie Kirk welcome back to the George jenko show uh I love I love podcasts where I know I'm going to walk away learning like a great load of information that I probably didn't know and from the looks of it doing the research that I did to to learn where you came from from making sure a cookie goes from 25 cents to 50 going back to 25 good that's deep research there I go deep man that is that is really deep I just want to make sure I just want to make sure you just going all the way back I I could tell that I haven't told that story in a long time yeah I would love actually my first question because my first question is is that where your your hunger of everything came from you're like oh I could actually make a difference here well that I'll tell you the story but it was it predated that but I've always loved politics I've loved the country uh so what you're talking about is a rather silly um but very serious thing I got involved in where when I was a senior in high school they would I went to Wheeling High School and one of the most favorite things everyone loved was the they had these warm chocolate chip cookies that they would make and they were 2 cents Al at high school and all of a sudden senior year they go to 50 cents and who can't have that doubling they big cookies yeah they're they're gooey and you know what I'm talking about yeah and were you a fan of the cookies or I love them just want make sure now to be clear I also have like a gluten intolerance so I shouldn't be eating them but like but it's still it's you know it's my hands I can't even close if I was in France I probably could have them because they they don't Poison the Well exactly and they don't spray like we do pesticides all that nonsense so I doubling from 25 cents to 50 cents like we've grown a custom that under Joe Biden with inflation and stuff but this is way before and so I I I was outraged about this and so I got a group of friends together and it turns out another school across the way at Buffalo gr Grove High School also had the same thing so we started this Facebook group that was a total joke called students against cookie inflation nice and it kind of took on a life of its own it was bipartisan it got written up in all the local papers and stuff and in some ways that was like a precursor to your big door well yeah to now this thing to actually try to save the civilization I I love that because okay so I actually I just want to take a just even a step before that where did you in your life in your character development were like I'm very good at explaining my portion of the POV and I could help other people understand what they're missing out from their perspective at what age were you like I'm really good at doing this that that's a great question I so you grow up you don't always know your skills that's one of the things why I hate about our education system is that almost everyone has a skill rarely do we a good do a good job of identifying it and telling a young person you're actually good at that thing and instead we try to put them in different boxes widgets and boxes exactly so I I never I thought everyone was good at explaining stuff I thought that just like public speaking was just part of the human norm and I was never in speech or debate I was too busy playing football or basketball I did everything you possibly could I was involved in everything played instruments you know marching band Eagle Scout and and all of a sudden I'd be in class my teachers would be like you kind of have a gift for this thing I was like what are you talking about they're like explaining and talking off the cuff and in class what age if you know I me it would be like freshman in high school sophomore in high school and I I always gravitated towards politics gravitated towards dialogue and gravitated towards debate or anything that was mildly controversial or required explaining or in-depth super hard dating you huh cuz you could just win every argument oh yeah exactly well my my wife wins every argument for the record okay good for she happy life that's right um happy spouse happy house is what we say so um yeah so then I I realized that I had a gift for it and a skill I started to then speak locally when I was still in high school at a lot of different uh Conservative Republican political outfits and they kept on inviting me back and uh now passed away individual who really was one of my first mentors Bill Montgomery he was 72 at the time I was 18 he was the one that was like hey you have a gift you should go speak across the country and not go to college I was like yeah that's hilarious okay and actually I would love to just highlight that cuz when I did see this it was kind of fun to watch another person in your shoes try to pour his wisdom into you and you were in the same shoes of the people that you talk to on campus nah buddy you're being weird I'm going to college yeah no of course because I mean I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago and like only drug addicts didn't go to college everyone went to college and I mean it it's like the mark of failure if you don't go to four year University at upper middle class white Suburban Society is that or or or Union work right yes and no I where I grew up like that again what I mean by that is that you as a parent culturally you are considered to be a failure if your kid does not go to Fore College I feel like up until a few years ago I mean some parents still might see that to be the cas of course no and I I've become a Pioneer in the opposite direction and so it just the idea of not going to college was so foreign to me and Bill's like no I I think you shouldn't go to college you could go start this amazing movement this whole thing and I had some ideas to do that and he really poured into me and he's like you should just go speak and I just not only am do I have a gift for communicating if I may say so but I also love it and so that's kind of like the intersection I love explaining stuff I love teaching and I love learning even more than that so teaching what I then learn is I think really fulfilling so did you already have the fundamental idea for Turning Point USA before you met him or did you kind of develop that together yes and no I mean I had a I I saw a problem and the problem was that I grew up my political Journey was in the midst of the Obama craze in Chicago where his campaign was headquartered it was his home state he was the senator from Illinois his it was all of the the pandemonium was headquartered there and I even got caught up in some of it when I was you know late 8th grade early 9th grade when he really was coming to political Fame and at that moment it was like a fever pitch where as someone who was generally conservative I realized this generation Millennials is going to be the most Progressive generation in history if we don't do something about this and I was completely underwhelmed by the conservative movement's lack of reaching out to young people explaining these ideas organizing them making it fun making it exciting making it uplifting and so I saw a great need and then um I had an idea to do something but I I didn't know what an organiz ation was I didn't know how to deposit checks or do payroll or any of that stuff uh so I needed to get help and guidance and wisdom in that regard did you have a mentor yeah bill was one of them and um some other you know Mike Miller who's still around and he's uh a board member of mine and my parents were very supportive don't get me wrong it's just it was a foreign concept for them to hear that you wouldn't go immediately to four-year college and mind you it wasn't that I just wanted to go to four-year College I wanted to go to West Point so my whole life was trying to get to one of the hardest schools to get to and didn't didn't work out you know and God has a plan for all of us amen and uh praise God that I didn't get in it was the best thing ever and I just was left with lackluster options of colleges that I wasn't that crazy about I decided to take a gap year and it's been 11 Gap years you know as a communicator it's you represent more than just what your opinion is you represent Christ and that could be daunting it's a big word I wanted to use it for this thank you uh and it it could be daunting right and so what do you do to make sure that you're representing Christ but you sometimes you have to like roll up your sleeve and get into these brawls or dog fights mentally do you ever feel guilty when you're just annihilating some child on in college like I I have but I only feel guilty if they ask for the well if I believe if I'm being unjust Fair because God loves justice so you so you grow right and does it ever like does your past mistakes help you like you're about to and then you remember somebody's face and how you felt afterwards so it changes the way you you talk to them so there's a couple components to this the first is when I was more of their peer when I was 22 or 23 I I felt No Remorse because I was talking peer-to peer got it now that I'm 30 with two kids and a wife and run a major organization and all this I try to be more like a teacher than a peer and so that's a different role however if somebody comes up and they are guns of Blazing insulting my intelligence as you've seen the videos or trying to and they'll say you're rude correct so funny then I I that is I I find more um more justification to be able to engage in that combat however I think it's important that Christ is all Grace and all truth and so if I'm contesting in the public arena for truth and it really ticks somebody off then I'm in no way defying the wants or wishes of Christ or his word and understand that we as Christians are called to go into the public Arena to correct error with truth yep so I go to college campuses and there's a lot of error we're all Sinners we all live in error the problem with college campuses though is that it calls error truth so the entire institution is is absent and outside of and is in contradiction with God's law and God's perfect commands for our life so I go into these environments and I will say things that are completely heterodox to how they view the world for example I believe that people should save themselves from marriage and I believe that marriage is a beautiful thing and I believe that having children is a moral good for society and I believe that biggest blessing oh without a doubt and I believe all these different I go through my beliefs and it's off it's usually met with criticism but no I mean I I not here my friend no but I I I have of course made plenty of mistakes and I have handled situations in ways that I wish I wouldn't have but the fruits of the spirit are love joy love joy peace patience kindness goodness gentleness patience and selfcontrol the last of which is self-control which is the hardest for me and so without the fruits of the spirit being born new and being transformed as Christ as king and as our Lord and savior I would have no self-control which is hilarious because it's one of the top compliments I receive like wow Charlie how do you control yourself I I don't actually it's the Holy Spirit if it was just me it would be it was my flesh that wouldn't be an enjoyable video to watch it'd be your emotions right be that's deep Bro that's deep I actually I consider myself a man to be in the lobby like feel like you're out in the front line and you're fighting for your POV I've noticed through conversations with uh people like yourselves or Candace Owens or even Patrick B David I realized that there's a growth place in their career and I am growing right now so I will I I hold a lot of my perspective back right now because I'm still growing my knowledge to make sure because I have a platform I can't just go out and speak but the things I am confident about I do speak that being said when you go out and speak your truth it's overwhelming how do you deal with when people twist your words and they take your character that you're trying so hard to walk in and they display you as this piece of [ __ ] and now you're like oh dude now I have to every day go ahead and try to show these people who I truly am and then I'll be able to because I the truth is you can never convince somebody Your Truth until you could convince them that you love them yeah and so just one thing and I totally agree with all that I don't believe I have a truth I just believe there is the truth and so it's not Charlie Kirk's truth and you have Charlie Kirk's experiences but there's only one truth right and so that that's that's a very important thing we could go into that deeper if you'd like but I'm I'm merely a communicator and a vessel for so that's why you're learning how to like your hey it's not me go take it up I mean I'm just I'm just flesh and Bone but more importantly I'm a soul and that soul is accountable to one being one being yep and really two temporarily cuz I also your wife but you know one what you should be accountable to your spouse because that is a spiritual union like your church exactly like like the bride of Christ and Christ come together that is what marriage is supposed to be but I I mean this in the most it used to it used to impact me I mean this in the most serious way I literally don't care about what people say about me I I couldn't care how long did it take you to get to that point years y it takes years and you you grow a thicker skin and or you start to realize what really matters in life I mean I've had an unbelievably blessed life uh been doing this now it'll be 12 years on June 5th such a young man to do it so young yeah so praise God I mean I've been all across the world I've met with world leaders I've flown in Air Force One got to know a president hopefully he becomes president again we get you know I I have amazing family the podcast Turning Point USA is all that stuff and so you you experience that and you're like what actually matters what matters is your relationship with the Divine your relationship with your family your kids and maybe a close collection of friends and your relationship with the truth and you could decide to lie all the time then you become a tortured individual and you know those people you just turn on television they're constantly lying and they just become like disfigured either emotionally spiritually or physically CU When you lie I believe you're actually committing suicide of the soul I really believe that and so you tell the truth it's awfully liberating it doesn't matter what people say about you 100% because you're living in your truth and so at any moment in any given time there isn't anything that anybody can say that's going to throw Off Your Rocker or it's going to make you feel like you need to fight for something that you know might not be true inside you know what I mean like you have peace every day yes and and I believe peace that transcends all understanding which is exactly what the scriptures say I was just wow very well very well done I honestly am very proud of you that was exactly where I was going to go I said it seemed to me that you fell upon a verse where your peace relies on an understanding let's dissect that verse right so it's Christ because that is peace Shalom that transcends all understand that means it's beyond our reason so that reason is not the highest faculty of man and this is why Christianity is a little bit at odds with modernity and postmodernism which is that we think that everything must be able to be explained through equations and data and science I love all those things I use them a lot but actually our spiritual life at times supersedes reason that's why we need Faith exactly and without fa Faith really quite honestly is the true Mark of a Christian life because it requires requires a little bit of a leap it requires a belief in something that cannot always be necessarily proven through the quantitative scientific method now part of it can be God has given us crumbs and pieces of evidence he's given us his word which is perfect and complete so yeah and you can you can be completely nourished and satisfied spiritually just with Jesus amen I agree if we take that light that's hanging above you away from this room it gets darker I think this country got darker when we took God away from this schools and we took God away from the country a lot of people might not agree with me but if you want to look at what's going on I would assume that there's less love and if you read the scripture God is love correct yeah I mean but let's just I mean even if they don't agree with you well if they don't agree with you then they're wrong because it's a fact that as America has become more secular which literally means without God or away from ethical monotheism at least right so the belief that there is one God and that there's a way for you to live and that we are all descendant from the same God yeah so you think about a couple things about monotheism which is different than Pagan polytheism different than Hinduism different than uh Native American paganism is that the first contention of monotheism is that all of us from different walks of life descend from the same being that is human equality in a nutshell that's where you get natural human rights that's where you get the idea that it's not okay to kill babies and that everyone gets Free Speech rights and that you can't just take other people's stuff so that's an amazing Proclamation but secondly this idea as we have become more secular remove prayer from our schools we remove the Ten Commandments from our schools then something replaces that there is no such thing as an atheist I think atheism is a SC up put forward by the Satan literally which is that everybody has a god they worship and that is why you go through the decalog The Ten Commandments the first of which the Commandments it goes with I am the Lord your God who has delivered you from the house of bondage of Egypt not have idols and then well yeah exactly so the first one you have no other gods before me have no Idols so let's think about that no other God before me you might think oh what an outdated commandment doesn't matter everybody has something you worship are made to worship yeah exactly and so what are you worshiping you might be worshiping the god of self the god of narcissism the God of Sex the God of Pleasure the god of Tik Tok likes the god of follows the god of the bank account the god of environmentalism the god of wokeism the god of cidian fanaticism the god of you must get your booster there is something that you prioritize above all and what that thing is is what you call God and so what we have done is we removed the idea of biblical God a God that loves you and a God that judges you and a God that tells you how to live with all these counterfeit pagan gods and we see what's happened to the west and the West is committing suicide because of it when you're standing in colleges and you're talking to these children the same way that Peter and Paul would talk against people and some would agree and some would not agree I stumbled upon this in the scripture and I want have to discuss this with you the disciples turned to them uh turned to Jesus and says why do you speak to them in Parables and he says because you were given access to understand and then through uh another scripture when he breaks bread and the disciples realize that Jesus came back and that it's him it was the Daily Bread so I connected this that the gospel is hard to read sometimes and it's almost impossible unless I have the Holy Spirit help me understand this yeah that is the advocate that's correct so when I know that I'm not smart enough to understand this and I need the wisdom of God to pour into me and have the Holy Spirit pour more for me to even open up my eyes and ears I go into conversations asking God to open up my ears my eyes so I could have a better conversation with Charlie do you do this with the students around you do you pray that well I pray for wisdom right and so in the Book of James it says pray for wisdom and God will give it to you generously that's James 1 15 and look it's very important what you're saying is that remember Christ said at the end of The Book of Matthew I will depart you but I will leave you with the advocate amen I will leave you and and what we just celebrated in Pentecost which again is it well not again but in Jewish tradition is 50 50 days post Passover that's where we get Pentecost from is all of a sudden we saw the completion of the Tower of Babel when God scattered and Confused the nations in Genesis 11 my people sorry about that sorry about that in in Babylonia yes yeah thanks for that you're you're you're a descendant of nimrod uh in Genesis 11 I will make a make a name to myself it's actually the city of Babel but that's an interesting Babel means god confuses in Hebrew so Babel God confuses so in in then the book of Acts we get the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is the advocate the Holy Spirit guides you to contextualize the scriptures to it is that nudge it's that wink it's that thing where all of a sudden you're like I don't have a good feeling about this now uh there's unclean spirits they say it's a gut feeling just like it like makes sense like literally for me for years you know following Christ following God's path doing what I felt like he deemed right for me but it wasn't until I asked him to give me the understanding and the wisdom to really open my eyes it wasn't until I had that prayer that then it finally clicked and then I went wait Jesus did what because he gave me the wisdom to understand you got you got you got granted access but it's an invitation and this is why it's called the good news you could ask that's why he says if you have eyes and want to see and ears and want to hear amen sorry I didn't mean to interrupt you no no you're you're perfect so the answer is your question you asked me is yes before I go on a college campus I my prayer is very simple God used me for your will amen because there's a plan above us all God is Sovereign above all and the capacity and ability of our agency or action is very debatable so what is God's plan when I go on a college campus I just believe I will only tell truth I will not compromise and I'll love on the Lost how does your heart feel when people ask you about war and they ask you about the struggles of man but then if you're knowledgeable about the gospel you read that this it it says it shall happen like what does it do something to your heart knowing that you want to stand and make a difference but then you read the gospel and you're like well I just I don't know what to do cuz it says this has to be done for the prophecy to be fulfilled so like is are we going to be able to make a difference or is this a spiritual war that we're just here on this ride I I believe all I mean it depends on what God's will is for your life but here I the answers I don't know and I don't really care for the answer all I care about is what I do and what I do is I fight and I know what God calls of us so the specific teachings of Christ is Go Make Disciples of all Nations I'm trying my best to do that and I'm trying to do it first on This Nation CU this nation impacts Every Other Nation on the planet you cannot impact the world without impacting America period that's the way that God has designed the universe in this particular being that as America Goes the World goes uh Jesus called us to love children go Jesus called us to tell truth God Jesus called us um to contest in the Public Square for his purposes so I I care about what God thinks of me it's a very important distinction though because it is tempting when you see the and the Miracles of God both in your life and in the scriptures and this is Dennis Prager who has said this I always try to give attribution where it's due to look at God as a Celestial Butler to say God uh I could really use an extra bonus at work can you please make that work my current belief and I think it's the right way of looking is I'm far more interested in what God wants of me than what I want of from God and what God wants from me is a life Fighting For Truth John F Kennedy said don't ask what your country could do for you but what you could do for very similar but so you're doing that with god well I think we should all do that with God Amen I agree his will is greater than ours yes and but also he gives us certain ways to live he gives us for example he to to the first commandment is to be fruitful and multiply if you just follow the ten commandments which Jesus repeated every single one of the Ten Commandments outside of honoring the Shabbat which I still think we should do but that's a separate topic if you just follow the ten commandments it's a lot harder than you might think not coveting alone can you flip through Instagram with without coveting I bet most people can't I can't I can't go to the entire portal of social media is designed to violate the final commandment Thou shalt not covet your whole existence online Thou shalt not commit adultery Thou shalt not steal might say oh I never steal never steal somebody's ideas without attribution that's why I'm so careful to mention Dennis prager's idea so if I would have just said oh I have this idea of a Celestial Butler I would have just stolen his idea he he worked for years to come up with that concept or Thou shalt not give false testimony against your neighbor people do that to get rid of their opponents like you well right and so we never tell a lie I mean they say average a human being will tell 20 White Lies a day oh yeah I'll be there in 5 minutes you know it's 10 minutes or oh yeah I'm going to go pick that up so just the Ten Commandments alone God gives us clear instructions and here's the kicker why the first commandment as I mentioned is that God says I'm the Lord your God who delivered you out of the house of bondage of Egypt God wants us to live free and you can only live freely in the state of liberty if you have order and God's law specifically The Ten Commandments is the order that I think that we have forgotten in the west it's what built the West what's built the most free prosperous happy generous benevolent Society we're watching the decline because we decided to turn our back on our Birthright and our foundation history repeats itself this is King David's Kingdom all over again or worse I mean yeah go ahead oh sorry have you ever spoken to uh Cliff Nel I'm familiar with him yeah he's he's terrific I would love to have you guys on a show together I just think it's interesting you guys are both fighting on campuses and it would be interesting to see the both of you you know team up on a campus he knows the word far better than I do that's for sure so cool it's so nice to have him on a speed dial like I'll be talking to somebody like I don't I don't know and I'll just like get on the phone and he'll just I've passed the phone off to so many people is right and he and it's so I love it cuz every time we're done we pray on the phone so if I'm talking to some we all just he's on speaker and I just find that moment alone that is just the best when you see somebody like that okay let's I want to actually talk about partnership uh Candace s we had her on the show Candace is the best and uh her new Venture partnered with yours but you guys used to work together yeah and we've again we've known each other boy it'll be seven years in uh November dude you made it he's so young that his back in the day is seven years right of course I mean I've only been doing this for 12 years I know I love that bro but it's just does that overwhelm you ever or do you get excited that you're so young and you're with these I I don't think I'm young and that's that I've never thought I was young really yeah no I mean I've lived a very full life and I I don't say that you know as a joke I I want you to understand I've traveled 3,300 days in the last decade where I'm just kidding every state every I mean so when you were 18 right and it's like it's 2012 you're 18 years old 300 Days on the Road 300 Days on the Road yes you're 18 mhm wow so did you just you felt like you always had an old soul and it didn't feel overwhel to you when you were 18 starting this big you know Enterprise well I did I didn't start a big Enterprise I started a small thing and I again it's anyone if you talk to Jeff Bezos Steve Jobs anyone who started something big again I I hate to even put myself in that category but no one started something big you're just all about survival the first couple years yeah and that's basically what it was I was basically marketing an idea for the first four or five years which is give money give support give energy to this thing turning point to help save the civilization so so let's go back to Candace so where did you guys meet how did the relationship grow did you guys bump heads in the beginning or did you guys like each other I she'll tell you the story exactly the same I met her at the David horz Freedom Center David horz is amazing he's a legend in the conservative movement and I heard her speak and I offered her a job right right when I met her I was like come work for us attorney Point USA and she was relatively unknown she had about 45,000 Twitter followers she was red pill black at the time at YouTube and I basically said if we work together for a couple years you're goingon to be the biggest thing in the conservative movement like I've never seen Talent like this you've avoid I mean I I have a few gifts one of them is also spotting Talent Anna Paulina Luna started with us Brandon Tatum spent a couple years with us Candace Owens will wit Isabelle Brown I mean starting like a little record label either that or it's like you know I I I I'm like an NFL scout of conservative talent I uh and I I love it I want to see them all flourish Benny Johnson not that he started with us but he definitely really got a start with us in the in his new influencer uh capacity and I love seeing them all succeed it's one of the coolest things ever I love it liked watching you and Candace debate there was this I I wanted to cut it up to show you cuz I rewinded it and laughed so hard were we was I wearing the Le the leas yeah okay that was you like you're like and then she was like talking and you're like Whispering like your ideas too while she's going off you're like let me get the mic I want to talk she's like no not right now and you're like okay wait like but like it's like two best friends that are like no I'll all of you right now all of you and it was just so funny to watch it looked like a modern family skit episode it was it was really really fun um is there any uh there's a lot of um headache that comes with a heartache right like when you especially when you're arguing when you're discussing uh to me I don't love this it's not my strong suit I feel like God like builds certain people for their job right and mine is more storytelling and making people laugh and then I could I could tell you something while it's it's a little light and easier to digest your skill set is like no I got to tell you and basically surgically get in there and get out does that ever get taxing on you does it ever get tiring yes and no but I mean I find purpose in it I mean everyone's built for something different right and so I I don't mind the combat got it and uh I don't do really well when things just kind of seem Serene I'm built for the Warfare nice I felt it I felt it and I also love to build and so I don't love to manage but so I have a great team that manages stuff but I I build I mean we built Turning Point USA we've built Turning Point Academy built we have 600 full-time people now across all the vectors uh at Turning Point action and turning point USA so I love to build um I love to inspire I love to teach uh but yeah I'm I'm not I'm not good at sitting still are you trying to run for president no never I have no interest in running for anything I would I you know what I would love I would love to be a very popular radio host podcast host great father great husband and live a very happy life where I can run a major organization influences the country and I could pick up the phone the president answers in the first ring that would be awesome but I feel like you're doing that right now so maybe I'm living the life let's go nice nice it's good I mean it seems like not the first ring maybe the second or third right now he do it right now no do it right now come on you won't well it seems like you uh you figured out the good things in life and you're hanging on to them you know what I mean why complicate things and you can enjoy the fruits that God has given you you're not in want it's good that's what you know Cliff taught me that he taught me that you could be where you're at and not be in want and that's where I find peace um being very grateful and I I say this all the time I harp on it but you can't be anxious and grateful at the same time so whenever I start getting anxious I realize now that I know that I'm like oh man I'm being ungrateful and that really harms me so like it puts me back into a grateful spot that's exactly in gratitude is the root of of much sin yeah um has there been a campus that you've gone to maybe you've gone to it a few times and you've noticed a change since having these like these conversations with students it's a terrific question I've been doing this now for 12 years it'll be 12 in June and I I've personally visited over 160 campuses and I've spoken over boy I think almost like 140 so I've visited campus some without speaking so I I've probably visited more than anybody else in the last 12 years Shapiro's visit a lot I think I finally have him beat but who cares uh We've definitely organized more and I I love Shapiro he's great and I love all of them I get along with them all and so do you guys have the same uh like point of view or there some type of we have we have differences for sure yeah and we don't need to get into that but he's great and he's done a great uh service to to the conservative Mo but we definitely see things differently especially foreign policy however to your point when I used to do these campus stuff there we never used to draw the crowds like we're drawing now now part of it is increased popularity but the amount of energy enthusiasm that we are now seeing especially from young men on campuses is palpable I'll go do these outdoor campus events well thousands of kids show up to them no exaggeration when I do these evening campus events we cannot find rooms big enough to fit all the students that want to attend our evening campus lectures wow we cannot whether whether it be at uh C University of Kansas or Arizona State University or Northern Arizona University all across the country we cannot literally find spaces big enough and so praise God for that and I mean I have a upcoming book called right-wing Revolution where I talk about this where I especially see it with young men that young men are becoming increasingly conservative increasingly patriotic and very much anti-left anti-marxist and the young ladies not as much but still still a little bit so but it was not the case five or six years ago at all and we are the most popular thing on campus when we show up we are the most vocal we are by far I think the most persuasive where the Liberals and the leftists at most University campuses are increasingly radical they're not good at defending their ideas as you can see on these videos I just went to the University of Washington Seattle which is one of the most liberal City liberal campuses on the plan in the country we had 1,500 students attend we had to turn away another 1,200 students well students that's that means if we had a room big enough we could have had almost 3,000 students at University of Washington Seattle unheard of and I'm not there as a rapper I'm not there to tell jokes right I am there to talk about very meaty philosophy history conservative values they're thirsty for knowledge and they're also thirsty for meaning and purpose that's exactly right because again I believe we are living through the suicide of the West and young people especially they see it they feel it they know that something unjust has happened to them they know that they are being plundered by the elites and by their elders and right now the conservative movement is really a meeting point of a lot of those concerns and our agenda is one that actually resonates at a deep fundamental level because a lot of problems with the conservative movement but at least we are still more in tune with the natural law and how we as human beings should live the left is at war with that when you're on campus do you ever feel unsafe when it gets to this amount of numbers has there ever been any scare well we have great security uh there was one time when Candace and I were eating breakfast in Philadelphia it went very viral this is well known and about 50 antifa came up to us while we're eating breakfast at 6:00 a.m. they were up all night in an anti-cop protest a couple blocks away they noticed us storm the restaurant people can look it up that'll be 6 years ago actually in July uh and so that was probably the closest that I've ever felt we get death threats all the time you know they come uh they send stuff to our homes and all that and yeah that's that's just part for the course I mean if you are not getting active death threats you're not really doing much for the country you're not shaking things up if people sry I mean Ian kind I I always laugh on people like oh my goodness I'm a politician I got death threats I'm like okay get in line like we but okay like we could make jokes a guy just got sentenced to jail just you you can fact check a guy just just got sentenced to jail uh for three or four years because he wanted to come and shoot up a turning point you say event wait how do they know before you well the FBI actually did their job amazingly and I'm very critical of the FBI but he posts on social media said board in this flight XYZ going to go to this student action Sumit in Tampa Florida and shoot them all up oh he announced it 17 years old when he did it yeah obviously deeps mental problems but that doesn't mean he wasn't going to do it right right so he got arrested and well when you just you you recently in May you just had a a child yeah two weeks ago second second baby praise God am conratulations and congratulations thank you but these moments where you're fighting for your your country and you're getting these threats does it does it alarm and concern you for your children I mean yes and no we we take proper precautions that's all I'll say and uh we're we feel confident in that but also I mean my wife is the best person ever and she's a patriot and she's a Believer and we don't want to have to be accountable to God when this life passes and he asks why did you not trust in me and not fight evil because we as Christians are called to fight evil it's one of the less lesser known script Psalm 9710 for those of you that love God you must hate evil yep amen and again everyone is called to something different in the body of Christ some people are called to heal the sick some people are called to mend broken marriages some people are called to do outright hot gospel teaching my call is to fight evil and to Proclaim truth that's it and again some people criticize me for that it's just my role in this diverse Body of Christ and everyone some people do Mission work in the jungles of the Amazon I'm not called to that yeah but other people are right you're called to do an amazingly popular podcast and Proclaim truth to millions of people amazing so I I don't do I do I worry for my safety or my family's safety no and we take proper precautions we own lots of weapons and we constantly have them on us I got to thank you man because I don't think you probably get thanked enough to be in a place where they don't understand how much slack comes with what you're doing and I know you have that thick skin on you're like no I'm ready for it but I also do know what it probably took for you to get there so if you know only God knows your true heart and if if you're doing that I praise you I should have answered that differently it's not a thick skin it's the it's the full it's the armor of Christ as it says in Ephesians right the breastplate of righteousness the sword of truth that that is what protects you so are you in your gospel I mean I I study the word intimately daily I love that changed my life I love the word and you start your day like that oh I start my day throughout the day I listen to lectures commentaries again it's not a competition people know it better than I do I just I love it it's infinitely deep but also immediately accessible so you could spend for I just did a whole study on Leviticus which I don't recommend that's very difficult in in the original Hebrew but also I probably got I probably get more out of just reading the Psalms than like a 90day deep dive in Leviticus but that was still really great and wonderful and I and I learned a lot but look the word built the west and the word is the it's a gift obviously it is the instruction manual it's a comforter the word is our navigational compass basic instructions before leaving Earth I'm going to use that and I will give you attribution oh is that yours I don't know where I got it from okay I'm going to be honest with you George jenko basic instructions before leaving Earth Bible I got that yeah and I if you want to give like an actual technically my mother gave it to me okay no I would say Geor CU Thou shalt notse right or steal right so you can't Ste again I challenge people in public life it is one of the hardest things no she knows I do this it's hard you must always give attribution or else you are stealing from another person you know what they say different than walk Ste like an artist I go still stealing no you must always give credit now if you can give your own spin on it or it can jog you to another thing y but you must always give credit I'm I'm a stickler you're a good you're a good guy no I'm no I'm I'm a I'm a sinner and the fact that you say that makes me believe you're you're a good guy has there been um a specific maybe story with a specific person you can think of where you know you had an interaction with them they were on the opposite side of things with you and then maybe down the road later on they came back to you and said you know what you made me think and I've changed my mind happens all the time it the immediate conversion is rare because pride gets in the way the long-term conversions are remarkable mhm the amount of people that come up to me that are now Turning Point USA chapter leaders Turning Point USA staff that were Bernie bro socialist atheists really is in the thousands now and they'll come up they like Charlie I was on the left I saw your videos Charlie was on the left or even Charlie I used to come up and debate one of these tables and now I'm no longer that way and this is why I'm such a big Free Speech Advocate is that I believe the truth when allowed to be heard and spread will be able to defend itself and it does something to your soul and that's why sometimes people have cognitive dissonance because they've been fed this left-wing secular atheist Marxist nonsense repeatedly and all of a sudden they hear something and they're like I'm supposed to hate what he's saying but it kind of right makes sense it's a seed it's a seed ex and that seed grows and so again great credit to the warrior you've had them on Patrick B David and Jordan Peterson and Candace Owens and Matt Walsh and Shapiro and Michael nolles this community about there's 30 or 40 of us that again there's probably more but that really do this on a daily basis that speak in adversarial environments and do social media content this is the buried lead of the right-wing Revolution happening in the country because people are trying to figure out why are gen Z becoming more conservative what's going on it's not social media it's not the people talking just in cable news it Tucker is on that list for sure right it is people that go on podcasts like this that go on Rogan it is 30 or 40 or 50 or whatever ever number you want to put that have every day been putting out this heterodox content this contrarian content that all of a sudden a generation that thought they're very far to the left that thought they believ these things they've had conversions and they've been turned around and the one thing you'll notice and you should come to one of our events they're super fun we have a ton coming up this fall give me a date on there you have an open invite I mean that um as an attendee a speaker whatever I think it be super cool is that we say we have a rule at Turning Point USA if you disagree you go to the front of the line and we will not put up with the crowd booing or jering opposition questions so we try to become what college campuses should be equal like let you speak it should be an Open Marketplace of ideas and you could see again we have hundreds of hours to demonstrate this and prove this so at Washington Seattle I say if you disagree go to the front of the line 30 people who disagreed immediately came to the front of the line and they all have different objections and I do my best to try to respond or to clarify or agree or find Clarity over agreement which is another Prager uh quote and so I think that's super healthy and not only that it allows people to find out what they really believe and it challenges it it challenges lies that they might be living under one of those you know seeds that you speaking of you know things that start things it's actually something you wrote an essay when you were a senior on textbooks being.com that's right well you guys did do your research she's very good at 12 years ago wow but so an eternity right back in my day I've lived a full life very blessed you're old you have an old soul it feels that way what no don't be sorry uh what is something that you saw in those TCH what was something that woke you up when you were in class you read these textbooks you're like wow this is so one-sided and how do you think that it we can fix this in high schools in order to kind of fix these textbooks well to be honest it's so funny the the it was a bright .c article that said liberal bias starts in AP economics textbooks and I was like super upset because it was written by Paul Krugman who's a very far- leftwing Economist and he got a couple things wrong one of which was so silly silly because it shouldn't have like demanded National outrage versus what we now live under it said the Reagan tax cuts did not accelerate economic growth okay whatever not exact now in our textbooks are literally outright pornography being like force-fed to eight or nyear olds just to think of how far our country has fallen in 12 years 12 years ago I used to write articles about you know they got economic data wrong in the 1980s and and now we're like okay um here's how to put on a condom when you're 10 years old right and so that's a whole another topic you want to get into it but the in the indoctrination and dare I say grooming of our children which is happening in the public education system it's intentional and again I'm going to keep on going back to the scriptures the only scripture the only ten command one of the Ten Commandments that involves a promise and your country is honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land of which you are in wow and so the quick teaching you not to respect your parents of course and they want to break that Bond every Tyrant and you can go house that's divided go exactly there is not an example in recorded history of a tyrant or a dictator or a totalitarian successfully coming and maintaining power without destroying the parent child Bond it does not exist and so therefore this outright graphic pornographic curriculum that we now see is about trying to break that parent child Bond why what what happens okay so if a 10-year-old sees graphic material of sex acts they don't understand they're going to go to the teacher and the teacher all of a sudden becomes more of a parent than the parent and the parent doesn't realize that their Authority has been usurped it's a way of strengthening the state and weakening the family can I ask you though is it more of the family's fault than the teacher it's both you know that's a smart point I I totally agree with that because at the end of the day the the school taught a lot of stuff that my parents didn't agree with but they sat my ass down they're like hey we don't do that [ __ ] and you have great parents and I guar I bet you have a very strong father I would imagine and a strong freaking backhand if I ever went the wrong way yes no and but let me ask you a qu this is a very very important Point did you ever fear that if you did something wrong your mother would quote kill you my mom would beat the brakes off of me that that's that's biblical now think about don't spare the rod no this is very important that par kids that do not fear the retribution of their parents are wild boys exactly they're wild and and the scriptures say this repeatedly which is that if you do not fear the justice of your parents then for for example if you talk to kids who didn't do drugs growing up you say why not oh my mom would kill me who are you going to fear if you don't fear your parents who are you going to fear yeah you should fear God and your parents and by the way they're substitutes for each other in the sense that the the the commandment to honor your mother and father so belong the land to which you in is the test if you cannot honor your Earthly parents you cannot honor your heavenly father and so the the your your question or is it your parents yes and because they're not on their guard because they're naive because they are trusting of Institutions they should be distrusting of it's sloppy uh we had a neighborhood and it was an ongoing joke when I was a kid we laughed about it I never saw the sincerity behind it but when I grew up I was like oh this is not good uh my neighborhood friend all of them would hate and love me because we were the household that uh had people over had the dinners had the pool parties had all that stuff uh so the other parents would always say to the kids cuz they knew that my mom was the most strict yes they would say what did Mrs jenko say so they would literally all the kids would have to and they would hate me they like dude your mom is getting us we have to be here we have to do this because my mom would set the law of the community kids and all the parents would literally just be like what did Mrs jenko say do what she said and they would just put it off on her we laughed about this but then I realize I'm like oh [ __ ] like they have no control in their home that's exactly right and how did they develop and if you realize the kids that didn't fear their parents never grew up to respect their parents Bingo and this is very important parents you should obviously love your again I'm a new parent so but I can only speak from Biblical and from short standpoint it's far more important to have your children have self-control than self-esteem oh my what could you say that one more time and that is a Prager ISM just one more time again I keep on it's far more important for your children to have self-control than self-esteem and the only way to teach self-control is to say no instead parents want to be loved by their children not respected by their children and they want to be more like their child's friend than their parent and we are seeing now the consequences of that you could do both and I think this is why a lot of friendship comes later I just going to say it comes once they are a can I just say one thing I think that if you start the same way that you give a baby milk before you give them meat if you teach them we have a loving relationship but there are rules and boundaries you cannot cross you cross you will see that other version of me that you don't like to see I think this is the household that I grew up me and my parents were our best friends and we were best friends all the way since before even high school but what what happened was that they established dominance but there's a hierarchy yes well then that's that's parenting I I completely agree with that cuz their teachings were embellished in love and then your friendship came cuz my mom would always tell me when I was younger she'd be like I'm not your friend cuz she she you have no friends no she put down on the law she like you and I we're not friends we'll be friends later on when you're you know when you're 18 and all those things and when a relationship develops differently but she's like I'm not your friend right now it was always embellished in so much love but I feared my mom and then it wasn't until I was like became older and then we started becoming on the same page and I became started having more responsibilities that then her and I could see eye to eye and now we have a friendship this is this is against everything popular culture believes you understand that I I think like your book coming out which I want to get into this there is a revolution going on right now I I I pray and I see parts of it too I really agree I think there's a recentering which is why I wrote the book so the book is called right-wing Revolution people can pre-order right now and the argument is actually a right-wing Revolution is back to the center and so my argument is actually to get us back to homeostasis to equilibrium or balance that we've gone so far off kilter in a secular atheist Marxist direction that you have to turn right to get back to homeostasis so people think that oh you're going to go super rightwing you're going to get into like goofy weird you know totalitarian fascist stuff it's like no actually we want to get back to a free Society away from the unfree society and this is the core component that without order without a belief in a Transcendent being without parenting nuclear family the society becomes unfree and that's what's so profound is that you need more laws more Customs for example if you had a society with ext like hypothetically with extremely strong parents extremely strong neighborhoods would you need 10,000 laws to monitor every part of human behavior no we used to have that country it's not a hypothetical it was the 1950s 60s 7s and early 80s we had very strong families we had High marriage rates 50% of marriages did not result in divorce and we were a Freer Society every person if you talk to your parents say what how did your parents parent you in the 1960 they said go out and play at night and come back uh before dark basically at dusk and come back before dark did they lock their doors no that's a Freer way of living you didn't worry about walking the streets and someone was going to come mug you instead the the deterioration of the morality of the West has made us less free a lot of Muslim countries are like that are they are they high trust or low trust High trust and and praise God because they they have um their they'd say so true their religious views that there is nobody like a woman could walk in uh in Dubai or in Sai without a doubt that's ex Abu Dhabi and it's very safe very safe and now I will say I'm not a fan of Theocratic Islamic totalitarianism but something they have right is they don't put up with the small crimes yeah but you know what I love that we're doing right now is we don't maybe we don't agree with their belief but there's nothing wrong with taking good things that another person has this is where we're having a problem with this country this is very profound we don't want to even if we know Reeds right about this 10% we're like freak is 10% now he's all wrong so there's a balance again I would say that parts of the United Arab Emirates goes too far in like not restricting certain Free Speech rights for example I think it's a good thing we can petition the government okay for how long man it's it's we're getting to a place where we might we're losing that however there's also you go through the academy they'll say you look at the Middle East and it's so unfree and we never want to be like that okay but are there elements for example you walk the streets of Abu Dhabi or Dubai or you walk the streets of Doha or you walk the streets of any middle eastern city do you feel as if you're going to get mugged they won't put up with that number one number two there's there's something where we have become so far liberal and so egalitarian I think it's a good thing that in Dubai they don't have a bunch of homeless on the side of the street they don't have a bunch of open air drug addicts that kids have to look at all the time I think that's actually something that we can get back to but we say oh no no we must not go in that direction because that's that's Theocratic fascism no that's orderly streets that actually keep you free now the the other component of this though is in these Islamic countries you know in the United Arab Emirates for example there are things that they're deeply missing that we have that we should try to nourish and that we that we should try to cherish which is free enterprise capitalism entrepreneurialism so the the blend between certain elements of a free society and an ordered society which is definitely more the middle east is incredibly important but here's the final kicker which is would you rather and I I would think of somebody you love your mom okay would you feel safer with her at 2 a.m. walking the streets of San Francisco or Dubai Dubai San Francis or how about Los Angeles or Abu Dhabi Abu Dhabi what does that say about our country those are two of the biggest cities hey man I wouldn't let my dude you think I'm joking B what do you laugh about with your Mom watch this is a true story cuz we live part-time in LA and when I'm in La I have to be home by Sunset she's not allowed to be outside my mom on the phone I don't care if anybody thinks it's wrong go have a girlfriend like M or a fiance I'm so sorry fiance like mine and not worry bro I worry about my life when I go out on La you think I'm not going to be worried about pounds hold on this is very important we are told we're the most free amazing country I think we've lost part of that and now we are talking about Middle Eastern countries that have been so vilified again I'm not a fan of Islam to be clear however you have just said you would rather have your fiance I totally agree you say Charlie would you rather have let me go a step further would you rather have your fiance walk the streets of Moscow or New York at night Moscow and she could eat food that's not poisoned well there you go it looks like I don't love this country I love this country I love this country with all my heart no I love it but we must be very we got to point out rebuking is a very very very powerful tool but you have to rebuke with righteousness you can't just be like no you're wrong because of this and you're stupid no it's just like first of all if you love that person you got to have respect for that person or tell us why we're wrong so tell us what is Dubai and Abu Dhabi doing okay Muhammad bin zad is the like king or the prime minister or Prince of the United Arab Emirates yes they have less certain Freedom so let's get into one that is super controversial they don't allow drinking I'm okay with that I don't drink so uh but like there riots with that do they have a better Society this is a good this is good I want to get into this I don't know exactly how I feel about limiting people's wills and I'll tell you why because I think it's not necessary okay let me give you an example there's two households right my mom was like hey just be honest with me if you're going to if you're going to get drunk you got to call me I'll pick you up right but then I was like well you know I obviously saw my mom's fa and this is worrying her I don't want to disappoint her I don't want to do that to her but my options were still there and then another kid's home was like hey you better not drink if I even catch you're going to drink I am going to lose my that kid as soon as he gets that opportunity he's going to want to because because he was don't touch that do not touch that I don't think we necessarily tell people what they can and cannot do and make it hey you cannot do that I think the the the best approach is educating them why they shouldn't and then if they want to touch the fire brother that's your will I I I totally sympathize I'm just simply asking a provocative question and I think it's a good one got it got it right which is when you have let's just say a culture that glor at the very least allows and then celebrates generative Behavior okay and I think we can agree excess drinking yep yep marijuana smoke smoking right drugs ecstasy is degenerative Behavior free and open sex is no consequences and I smoke weed and I agree with them there it slows me down I'm not kidding we got to get you off weed yeah yeah it's bad it's bad for you you've never smoked never never me neither no no by the way I'm not moral this is not me I'm a better person I want to be very clear we all have our vices and and that that is not one of mine yeah I just smoke and do Coke that's it I'm so kidding about the coke D I swear I've never done that that's fine I don't even drink I just smoke just it started out to help me sleep I SAR that's fine again I if it tell him however I it is an important question that if you allow Andor celebrate those things over time does it make the society sicker yeah and I think it does it does and so the question is where do the laws come in what do you allow what do you not allow to each their own I totally sympathize with that oh that's a great approach cuz I would have never touched it if it didn't make it illegal I mean if they didn't make it legal I would have never touched it you never would have had marijuana if it was illegal [ __ ] no so when did you start when as soon as it was legal okay you're making my point no I know and I'm agreeing with you and I'm stuck in that hole right now do you you want to you want to get off of it I want to get on it as soon as possible that's the problem yeah no I do you feel addicted to it uh yes I am and you know what it is it's it's I wish I was never introduced to it I love it and it doesn't here's the problem and this is the bigger problem it does not affect my life right now but I'm not dumb to know that it's not going to not affect my life smoke it or is edible or I smoke like like a little bit at night before I go to bed it's not like I'm working and I'm smoking and like and
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