Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens Expose the Neo-Marxist Assault on Western Civilization and American Youth

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[00:31] candice owens nice having you join us

[00:33] thank you thank you yes and thank you

[00:36] for joining us again we just saw you at

[00:38] CPAC you did indeed I'm happy to be back

[00:40] yeah so before we talk a little bit

[00:43] about what's going on right now here in

[00:44] California because we are at this event

[00:46] called saving California for our

[00:50] listeners and those that are watching

[00:52] what is turning-point and where did it

[00:54] come from where are you guys right now

[00:56] as far as nationwide sure and the

[00:58] purpose so I started turning-point USA

[01:00] when I was 18 years old right out of

[01:02] high school I started with a dream and

[01:04] an idea to change our generation back

[01:06] turn our generation back towards

[01:08] founding principles of free markets

[01:10] smaller government in the Constitution

[01:11] we believe Western civilization is

[01:13] directly under attack by neo-marxist

[01:16] postmodernist ideas that will

[01:18] destabilize the greatest civilization

[01:19] ever created and it's happening in

[01:21] academia it's starting in our high

[01:23] schools and being propagated through our

[01:24] colleges and it's time we start to fight

[01:27] we have to identify the enemy organized

[01:29] better than the left and then be able to

[01:31] create a grassroots movement to fight

[01:32] you know for the future of our country

[01:34] and for our civilization and we're

[01:36] blessed to have Candace on our team who

[01:38] I believe is one of the most articulate

[01:40] intelligent and wise leaders of our

[01:43] generation

[01:43] leading the black revolution which we

[01:45] all know is well overdue our

[01:48] organizations now in 1,300 college and

[01:50] high school campuses we have over a

[01:51] hundred people on staff it's been an

[01:53] unbelievable success story that I wish I

[01:55] could take credit for but we have a

[01:57] great staff an unbelievable team of

[01:58] investors and donors and board members

[02:00] that have helped made this possible we

[02:02] had over 3,000 students our year-end

[02:03] event done in Palm Beach and look this

[02:06] is this is a movement that's going to

[02:07] continue for for a very long time in

[02:09] Candace you're all over the place you're

[02:11] flying everywhere you're speaking

[02:13] everywhere

[02:14] what are you seeing right now as far as

[02:15] the reaction from college kids both you

[02:18] know let's I don't I don't want to talk

[02:19] demographics let's just talk about

[02:21] college kids as a whole right now right

[02:23] so it's interesting because I think that

[02:24] what Charlie you noticed was this sort

[02:26] of college movement and what I'm

[02:27] bringing in is a piece that's been

[02:28] missing and that's the black community

[02:31] and the reason why I want to say it's a

[02:32] little separate from college kids

[02:34] because the black community isn't often

[02:35] get a chance to go to college right so

[02:36] these this is the young black youth

[02:38] movement that I'm talking about and I

[02:40] guess what we're seeing right now is

[02:41] that they needed a home that these kids

[02:43] were sort of disenfranchised they knew

[02:45] that they were being sold lies and

[02:47] propaganda but nobody sort of had the

[02:49] courage to do what Charlie did which is

[02:50] sort of to provide them a home to get

[02:52] them together and say capitalism is

[02:54] important big government does suck so

[02:56] what we're seeing I think is just that

[02:57] the tides are turning completely not

[02:59] just for students on campus but again

[03:01] that same sentiment happening in the

[03:03] black community under saying that

[03:04] something is not right it feels like

[03:06] we've been duped and I would like to

[03:07] provide a home for them as well let me

[03:08] let me tell you and Candace will never

[03:10] say this about herself but her capacity

[03:12] to be able to synthesised hard to

[03:14] understand messages and sound bites

[03:15] using sarcasm and humor intelligence all

[03:19] blended together is some unlike anything

[03:21] I've ever seen and the short story of

[03:22] how I added her to our team is I saw her

[03:25] speak at an event down in Palm Beach and

[03:26] I said you're joining our team to about

[03:28] 120 seconds until I realize she is a

[03:30] once-in-a-generation type talent and I'm

[03:32] here to try to support her in any

[03:33] possible way to help lead that black

[03:35] revolution and look the Democrat Party

[03:37] and the left has a 95 percent monopoly

[03:40] on black voters despite them being the

[03:43] number one reason why those communities

[03:45] are suffering and failing so it's time

[03:47] to double triple quadruple our resources

[03:49] in our focus and the other thing is I

[03:51] believe one leader can actually change

[03:53] something a single person if the 20th

[03:54] century taught us anything it's the

[03:56] courage and conviction of an individual

[03:58] that can change the course of history

[03:59] with me warrants Winston Churchill a

[04:01] Ronald Reagan or Dwight D Eisenhower and

[04:03] I believe that's going to be Candace

[04:04] Owens for the American black community

[04:06] charlie Kirk well she she's very kind we

[04:09] make a great team and we come at it from

[04:11] different angles but we have a lot in

[04:12] common we're both in our 20s fighting

[04:14] for these ideas we're both under

[04:15] unbelievable assault by the left but we

[04:18] love this country and we believe that if

[04:20] we don't do something dramatic right now

[04:22] we're gonna lose it absolutely one of

[04:23] the things that you both do which i

[04:25] think is received so

[04:27] not just by Millennials but adults

[04:29] myself all across the board is that

[04:31] you're not just preaching politics

[04:33] you're hitting people culturally you use

[04:36] humor in your YouTube videos I've seen

[04:39] them they're fantastic funny I mean the

[04:42] one way you were I used to think I was

[04:43] pretty funny you came out as a

[04:45] conservative to your parents and so you

[04:49] know how what is it that conservatism is

[04:52] missing today where they need what you

[04:55] are got what you guys are providing it's

[04:57] exactly that so I think what Charlie and

[04:59] I do is that we present something that's

[05:01] younger and fresher and what I say all

[05:03] the time is what the right has done

[05:05] wrong with conservatism has done wrong

[05:06] what Republicans have done wrong is they

[05:08] they haven't been able to tap into

[05:09] culture successfully right so we see

[05:11] that the left they've taken over

[05:13] Hollywood or academia and media but

[05:15] Hollywood is so important because it is

[05:16] culture it's these things that people

[05:18] look up to these idols in the black

[05:20] community we can talk about the

[05:21] breakdown of the black family right so

[05:23] what happens when welfare takes away the

[05:25] father's right

[05:26] kids start to look for other examples of

[05:28] mom and dad and for the black community

[05:30] for a long time as crazy as it sounds

[05:32] it's been jay-z and Beyonce so whatever

[05:34] they say they just take it up and they

[05:36] love it and they think that it's right

[05:37] and it's correct and it's fundamentally

[05:39] wrong and Natalie fundamentally wrong

[05:40] but harmful to them but to their future

[05:42] answer so what we're trying to do is

[05:44] just present a different idea and what

[05:46] we're doing is not really that amazing

[05:47] it's just that were presenting different

[05:49] ideas they've never been presented with

[05:51] this version and Candice is so correct

[05:53] there and what makes her unique and

[05:55] different is she's using timeless

[05:57] principles and connecting it with timely

[06:00] pop cultural references now I'm not

[06:01] afraid to make her audience laugh not

[06:04] not afraid to make fun of the left or

[06:06] the Democrats or people in Hollywood and

[06:08] that's one of the main attractions of

[06:09] her videos and her content but more than

[06:11] that one of the things that we try to do

[06:12] at Turning Point stay in the culture war

[06:13] and this is the number that one of the

[06:15] biggest things in Candice and I agree on

[06:16] this completely is we have to end this

[06:19] this narrative of victimhood in America

[06:21] the left wants to create as many victims

[06:23] as they possibly can so you look at kind

[06:25] of a conflict of ideas the left want to

[06:28] try to create victims that they can keep

[06:29] them under the thumbprint of governments

[06:32] there's a dependence that they keep on

[06:33] voting for Democrats

[06:34] we as conservatives we believe in the

[06:36] hero's journey we believe that people

[06:38] can make good decisions and break out of

[06:39] poverty Candice being an example

[06:41] and that you can overcome those sort of

[06:43] obstacles well that's that's

[06:44] antithetical towards big government it's

[06:46] individualistic so as soon as you start

[06:48] to create a culture like everyone's a

[06:49] victim because of your identity group

[06:51] because of your race or because of your

[06:52] background you're far less likely to

[06:54] believe that you can solve your problems

[06:56] then you look to government then you

[06:58] look for other people absolutely and

[06:59] that's a major problem what I say is

[07:00] that they defeated self-confident people

[07:02] no longer believe in themselves they

[07:04] believe in government tension with

[07:05] intentional aadya

[07:06] and what makes Western civilization's so

[07:08] unique is that the individual comes

[07:10] first and foremost is the consciousness

[07:12] within your head it's your capacity to

[07:14] create to take risks to challenge to

[07:17] debate to have dialogue to protest the

[07:19] left wants nothing with that they want

[07:20] conformity they want a mob mentality

[07:22] they want us to be almost a monolithic

[07:25] group that will bow down to them and

[07:26] their ivory towers and the coastal

[07:28] elites and that segues nicely to the

[07:30] California seconded discussion because

[07:32] what what makes the conservative

[07:34] libertarian revolution so poignant is

[07:36] young people still want to embrace

[07:38] freedom they really do they just think

[07:40] that the left is on the right side of

[07:41] freedom and they're horribly mistaken

[07:42] let's talk about that and at first I

[07:44] want to just say this and we talked

[07:45] right before the tape ran and how you

[07:47] guys met and before you sat down we had

[07:50] David Horowitz sitting here so I think

[07:51] it's somewhat ironic because it sounds

[07:53] to me like you're carrying on the baton

[07:55] you you met at his freedom conference

[07:57] and he talked and he sat right here in

[07:59] your seat and he said you know Democrats

[08:01] stand up to take care of the oppressed

[08:05] when they in fact they are the

[08:06] oppressors correct and here you are and

[08:09] you're carrying the baton I'm your coach

[08:11] and yeah but I think it's it's it's

[08:13] really from my standpoint I look at this

[08:15] and I have so much optimism for the

[08:16] future when I see that that the baton is

[08:18] being carried I mean David Horowitz is

[08:20] is you know going towards the end of his

[08:22] career he's hopefully got many many more

[08:24] years left but we want to see that

[08:26] energy right that radical right if you

[08:29] will and that's what you bring to the

[08:31] table now talking about radicals let's

[08:34] talk about the radical left you're here

[08:35] in California the home of free speech

[08:38] supposedly was Berkeley or wherever it

[08:40] may have been we're now conservative

[08:42] speakers such as yourself in some cases

[08:45] have been protested against what is

[08:47] going on right now with free speech

[08:49] essentially that's correct Candace

[08:51] expound on that that's exactly right it

[08:53] what we're seeing is sort of

[08:54] returned to they're not going to call it

[08:56] communism they're not going to call it

[08:57] collectivism but that's what it is it's

[08:58] cultural Marxism Jordan Peterson does a

[09:00] great job of explaining exactly what

[09:02] happened here they reintroduced these

[09:04] ideas post modernist post-modernism and

[09:07] that's how we've sort of it seeped into

[09:09] our schools that's exactly what happened

[09:11] and what it comes down to is they don't

[09:13] want diversity of thought Charlie always

[09:14] says they want you to look different but

[09:16] to think the same and that's exactly

[09:18] what's happening on college campuses and

[09:20] that's a huge threat

[09:21] huge huge threat that we're trying to

[09:22] combat every single day and specifically

[09:24] California is a test case for the

[09:27] destruction of Western civilization

[09:29] everything that they want to do to

[09:31] Western society they're beginning to

[09:33] implement here in California whether it

[09:34] be the assault on traditional gender is

[09:36] the implementation of illegal immigrants

[09:38] at the highest possible level I joke

[09:40] around there's gonna be more illegal

[09:41] aliens in statewide office in California

[09:42] and Republicans in the next ten years

[09:44] because now they disappoint an illegal

[09:45] immigrant to a statewide position which

[09:47] is incomprehensible to me but if the

[09:49] look at the left they don't believe in

[09:51] sovereignty they don't believe in

[09:51] borders they don't believe in language

[09:53] they don't believe in tradition they

[09:54] don't believe in history they don't

[09:55] believe in culture now why is that

[09:57] what's because they're threatened by

[09:58] things at work because they themselves

[09:59] could never achieve any level of success

[10:01] personally these are angry spiteful

[10:03] self-centered narcissistic individuals

[10:05] that could never ever succeed in a

[10:07] market-based economy most of them are

[10:09] professors they've never less left

[10:10] universities so instead of trying to

[10:12] create value for themselves they want to

[10:14] hate the world that they could never

[10:15] succeed themselves in and that that in

[10:17] its essence is evil because they want to

[10:19] destroy us that have the capacity the

[10:20] intellect the creativity to be able to

[10:22] make something of ourselves they they

[10:24] want to just watch the world burn to use

[10:25] a quote from one of my favorite you know

[10:27] Batman movies and they're doing a really

[10:28] good job of it it's intentional chaos

[10:30] how can we bankrupt the state of

[10:32] California how can we give the mob of

[10:34] the Democrat teacher unions as much

[10:35] power as possible how can we have the

[10:36] most amount of non-citizens come into

[10:38] the state imaginable you've combined all

[10:39] those things together you have

[10:41] intentional planned chaos and then

[10:44] you're gonna have a political revolution

[10:45] that's gonna be really dangerous to us

[10:47] right and what is the answer to this

[10:49] well I mean I I mean demographically

[10:52] Candace hits us but I'll let her go and

[10:55] I think it also what we're talking about

[10:57] here and I always do feel bad the

[10:58] students I always have a soft spot for

[10:59] them because they're learning things

[11:01] wrong they're learning to hate America

[11:03] that's what I grew up understanding is

[11:05] that you should feel bad about success

[11:06] that rich people are the

[11:08] problem right not the solution which

[11:09] they are the solution capitalism is a

[11:11] solution they don't understand what it

[11:13] means to be well what capitalism is or

[11:15] what communism is or why it's wrong or

[11:17] why it doesn't work

[11:18] they're they're not even being taught

[11:19] history right so what the left does

[11:21] really good is that they they rewrite

[11:22] history every single time so right in

[11:24] the black community what I learned right

[11:26] in textbooks we think was the right

[11:27] answer is that Democrats have always

[11:29] saved black people and Republicans have

[11:32] constantly been trying to harm us that's

[11:33] fundamentally a lie but that's what's

[11:35] been taught to us so would that sort of

[11:37] the uphill battle that we face is sort

[11:39] of trying to tell them okay

[11:40] these ideas that you learned are wrong

[11:41] for me I came from a left I had to

[11:43] suffer through a year in cognitive

[11:44] distant dissonance really to go oh my

[11:47] god every person that I thought was a

[11:48] racist yeah it's really a hero and every

[11:51] single person I thought was a hero is

[11:52] secretly a racist that takes on a

[11:54] tremendous amount of self-awareness do

[11:56] that and humility and many people are

[11:58] not willing to do that because you go

[11:59] you go 25 years of calling somebody a

[12:01] racist only to find out that you were

[12:03] miss educated at our and that's that's

[12:05] where the narcissism and the hubris

[12:06] comes in with a modern American Left

[12:08] they'll never ever objectively put forth

[12:10] an opinion different than theirs that's

[12:11] why they hate free speech they don't

[12:13] want to sit through a speaker that might

[12:14] challenge a micron of what they believe

[12:17] to be right and with that being said so

[12:19] how do you fix it well and this is the

[12:21] death of the American male if you really

[12:23] what's going on here is because men in

[12:25] particular have been emaciated and

[12:26] attacked by this third wave feminist

[12:28] movement and we are seeing the kind of

[12:30] this creation of the basement-dwelling

[12:31] beta male that have only been talking

[12:33] about how wrong it is to embrace

[12:35] masculinity how danger it is dangerous

[12:38] it is toxic it's toxic

[12:40] right how dangerous it is to make

[12:42] informed decisions or to actually take

[12:43] ownership of yourself or your family

[12:45] which is horrible right but even if you

[12:46] come if you compliment that mechanis and

[12:48] I talk about this a lot young people are

[12:50] only talk they only learn about the

[12:52] freedoms they never learn about

[12:53] responsibility but if you look at in

[12:55] your life what actually gives you the

[12:56] most amount of meaning and the most

[12:58] amount of satisfaction it's a things

[12:59] that require responsibility that always

[13:02] give you the most amount of meaning

[13:02] would be family your job getting up

[13:05] early that's where you find Truffaut

[13:06] film this is jordyn peterson stuff of

[13:08] course it's what's right and i give him

[13:10] full and make your bed yeah right

[13:11] exactly and look Jordan Peterson's a

[13:12] hero of mine sir of Canada we've had him

[13:14] on the show he's phenomenal and and I

[13:16] only try to be a prism of which these

[13:18] good ideas expressed through because

[13:20] what he talks about is in Contra

[13:21] truth yes and and look what Jordan has

[13:24] done and he's from Canada he's he's open

[13:26] up the discussion mm-hmm and he has said

[13:28] listen guys I'm a social psychologist

[13:29] I'm not a politician I have seen these

[13:31] problems for thirty years get worse

[13:34] worse and worse right if we don't do

[13:35] something dramatic it's no longer a

[13:37] political issue it's it's gonna ruin our

[13:39] civilization it's a really interesting

[13:41] market that we're in if you think about

[13:42] it we're just returning back like common

[13:44] sense right sit up straight shower

[13:46] that's what Jordan Peterson preaches

[13:47] right babies you can contrive yeah right

[13:50] not a government the middle thanks

[13:51] little things right but it's also self

[13:53] responsibility and what Jordan talks

[13:56] about so well is and in that wonderful

[13:58] Toronto Canadian accent yeah how the

[14:00] hell are you supposed to have any sort

[14:03] of credibility with social justice if

[14:05] you're that if your room is a mess

[14:06] seriously to take ownership of your life

[14:09] sit up straight the world is all about

[14:11] suffering yes and you know what for

[14:13] young men that have been attacked and

[14:15] assaulted and turned into this kind of

[14:17] beta beta Malcolm and town they say wow

[14:20] I can actually do something with my life

[14:21] right I can actually apply you know what

[14:24] I've been given for good yeah people

[14:26] love that and that's what I'm seeing in

[14:27] the black community when I first came

[14:29] out I was getting so similar it's so

[14:30] interesting there were so many vicious

[14:32] comments Uncle Tom come sellout and then

[14:34] they started to listen to what I was

[14:35] saying and now the feedback I get is

[14:37] it's freeing for them right they feel

[14:38] almost enslaved in ideology and I know

[14:41] we're short for time here he might but

[14:43] my last question if you both are good

[14:45] I'd love to continue with this mine for

[14:47] 10 more minutes my question for you is

[14:49] similar to to Horowitz when he made that

[14:52] transition in 84 when he openly came out

[14:55] it make a member he was a leftist

[14:56] radical for those that don't know I know

[14:57] you both do and then he came out he

[14:59] supported Reagan and holy cow it was

[15:02] just he was persona non grata what is

[15:05] that like for you personally I see it as

[15:07] a challenge I don't know I'm like the

[15:09] eternal optimist like I feel really

[15:11] great about it and like I said we are

[15:12] seeing that transition happening they've

[15:14] never been presented with this version

[15:16] of events right they've only been told

[15:17] the same thing which is that black

[15:18] people are a monolith so imagine I'm

[15:20] essentially saying to them I believe in

[15:22] you I don't have to be a victim lifter

[15:24] you know how great that feels to say

[15:26] like you do not have to be victim you

[15:27] are not trapped within yours within your

[15:29] skin complexion so the message

[15:31] ultimately that we preach is empowering

[15:33] so at first you know I think that there

[15:34] are some shock

[15:35] affects because they've never been

[15:36] presented with it but then what you

[15:37] start to see is that they turn to the

[15:39] other side and they go wow this feels

[15:40] really good I'm not a victim I can do

[15:42] this

[15:42] choices fundamentally freeing about that

[15:45] right right that's fantastic now

[15:48] transferring that to kids or young

[15:51] adults how do you convey that message to

[15:54] them that they could stand up and going

[15:56] back to the Petersons analogy be a

[15:58] lobster stand up straight

[15:59] you know I love lobster right okay you

[16:02] know so so but again it comes back to

[16:05] the solution right what you both are

[16:07] doing you're at the pinnacle of this

[16:08] massive organization yes you're both out

[16:11] there every single day I can find

[16:12] something on television or YouTube or

[16:14] whatever it may be from both of you

[16:16] you're working you've got the energy no

[16:19] one outworks us I'm going out right her

[16:20] by the way I'm impressed there's a one I

[16:22] think a turning point we say no one will

[16:23] ever outwork us and no it's incredible

[16:25] it's incredible it really is so but but

[16:28] transferring that okay what oh let me

[16:31] ask you this then from this point of

[16:33] view if I can see turning-point and I

[16:37] assume it's the tip of the iceberg and

[16:38] everything is under the surface of

[16:39] what's going on what are the next steps

[16:41] or turning-point what are the plans and

[16:43] how do you continue to change the

[16:45] culture and we're just getting started

[16:46] and whether it be the metrics of what we

[16:47] want to hit with our event attendance or

[16:49] a chapter creation or activism on

[16:51] college campuses we want to move youth

[16:53] sentiment 20 points by 2020 how they

[16:55] view America how they view capitalism

[16:57] which we think is a fundamental couple

[16:59] of years order look we're expanding our

[17:02] staff are raising more capital we're

[17:04] hiring you know in key states Candace is

[17:06] now doing a very very exciting project

[17:08] that's been Americans that Chimere me

[17:12] about a little bit today but we have

[17:14] something a little tease a little bit

[17:16] exciting that we're very careful with

[17:17] saying the name because it someone will

[17:18] steal I know I mean okay I think we're

[17:20] just waiting for some trademarks to go

[17:22] through but we're working on a really

[17:24] huge project that is going to be so

[17:26] exciting for the black community and I'm

[17:27] telling you we're gonna blow this thing

[17:29] out of the water I am so optimistic

[17:31] about 2020 well and we're gonna get it

[17:33] over the finish line in a big way to

[17:35] never forget the enemies of democracy

[17:36] over always overshoot their target

[17:39] whether it be in the 1940s or the 1970s

[17:42] the neo-marxists get greedy that's

[17:44] exactly what's happening right now

[17:45] they're trying to eliminate genders

[17:47] they're trying to destroy free speech

[17:48] they're

[17:49] they're trying to absolutely obliterate

[17:50] any sort of semblance of civil dialogue

[17:52] and because of that we have chapter

[17:54] leaders and millions of students coming

[17:55] to us saying I left the left because of

[17:57] the left wait that I want nothing to do

[18:00] with their intolerant it's disgusting

[18:02] Wow and I want something different and

[18:04] we're the ones that what was their

[18:05] turning point well I mean it's all very

[18:07] different but but you can ask Candace I

[18:09] mean she's a refugee from the left that

[18:11] the typical the typical answer we get is

[18:14] the intolerance the vapin sanctimonious

[18:17] tone that they have about their

[18:18] worldview their hostility towards any

[18:21] sort of wealth creation and I'll say

[18:22] this definitively college socialists do

[18:25] not care about the poor they hate the

[18:27] rich it is it is a doctrine of hatred

[18:29] and spite and envy and greed and

[18:32] jealousy it's not about trying to be

[18:34] benevolent or altruistic it's about

[18:36] destruction of course and and so when

[18:38] you have a movement built on hatred it's

[18:40] very hard to make that a widespread

[18:43] ecumenical movement it really is and

[18:45] that's where we come in because we're

[18:46] all about empowerment improving people's

[18:48] lives and prosperity and individual

[18:50] initiative and rights and all of a

[18:51] sudden that's what really is gonna be

[18:53] the winner and they're gonna be just

[18:54] that angry small mob that might be the

[18:56] loudest people in the room but there's

[18:57] the minority we're gonna have to have

[18:59] you both back on the show folks can find

[19:02] you Candice I know you've got a really

[19:04] active Twitter account both of you do

[19:06] what Twitter at real Candice oh I'm on

[19:09] Facebook at real Candice Owens and it's

[19:11] they refuse to verify every thousand

[19:14] followers no verification because we're

[19:16] also up against Silicon Valley but one

[19:18] of the funniest tweets I've ever seen in

[19:20] my life was Candice Owens and all caps

[19:22] says Trump is a racist

[19:24] I hate all Republicans and in

[19:25] parentheses like see I'm trying to get

[19:27] my verification there's definitely I

[19:34] mean they could check out our web site

[19:35] TP us a.com Twitter at charlie kirk 11

[19:38] we're causing a lot of trouble and we're

[19:39] gonna win they're gonna lose I'm more

[19:42] optimistic now than I was 20 minutes ago

[19:43] thank you both so much thanks appreciate

[19:46] you being with us

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