I'm so grateful that you're here.
Thank you. I'm so excited. With child number four in tow,
who's just off camera. What is going on with Macron? I mean, it's the craziest thing
that's ever happened, certainly in my life. It's been repeatedly
crazy from the Trump call to the lawsuit.
I didn't even know. Can you just back up a little
bit for those who don't know what you're referring to? The Trump call, what does that mean? So I was called by Trump in February. Emmanuel Macron had visited Trump and I had done this series about...
It was about his wife, Brigitte Macron. And the series got a lot of views. And Emmanuel Macron
personally flew to D.C. and asked Trump... to ask me...
to shut up, to just stop speaking about his wife.
And I was, did you know, this was Going to rise to
the level of international incident. No. And it's actually making me
go back and historically, I'm thinking, you know, all the times we were told that a war
ended because of this or because of that. If this was one element of negotiation
of Emmanuel Macron to Trump, and the topic of why he was, you know, ostensibly there was to discuss the
end of the Ukrainian and Russian war. But you're taking Trump aside
and you're asking him to shut up. This podcaster in the U.S. I'm wondering if anything... that we're told in our
history books is real.. That is exactly right. I have wondered the same. That is just absolutely amazing. So he's a viewer.
We know that he is a viewer. Him and his wife and
their entire entourage, they watch every minute of my show. Trump certainly didn't. I know Trump, I think,
stays much more in the mainstream media. yes In terms of watching what he watches...
But... he must have been completely confused. He sounded very confused. He said he was very confused when...
a leader... of.
The leader of France took him aside, of a nuclear armed country during negotiations for Ukraine and Russia to inquire
about whether or not he knew... Candace Owens. And clearly it was an emergency
because it wasn't like Trump called me two days after or a week after. It wasn't like, you know,
a side conversation that, oh, let's take care of that.
I was... messaged by the intermediary
hours after Macron left,
maybe even an hour after Macron had left, and... said, like,
we need to get on the phone With you. the President of the United States. Well, first the person said, somebody very close to the President,
United States is asking me to ask you to stop
talking about Brigitte's penis. And I. This is.
This is the true face of diplomacy. I love it. true face of diplomacy And I laughed because I said, okay,
no, bye... This seems ridiculous. Kind of didn't even. I kind of question whether
or not it was even true. But I liked the person
who called me very much. And I thought maybe I was being
a bit short there because I'm nine months pregnant,
and I was at the time, I think,
five or six months pregnant. And I. And I tend to get short
the more pregnant I become. And so I called him back and I just said, can you explain to me
what's really going on? And that individual told me that
it... was presented to him as
a condition of ending the Russian Ukrainian war.
Like, this was something that he brought up
in the midst of these negotiations. That's how it was presented to
me from a third party person. And then I was just completely floored. And I just took a second...
looked at my husband, and the first thing we
said to one another is, no one will ever believe us. This is beyond the realm of
things that could be plausible. They're gonna think I'm
making this up and I'm lying. And even when I did
eventually tell the story, months later, people were like, there's no way... that this could have happened.
And until Trump didn't deny it. And then, of course,
Emmanuel Macron is now suing me. And he included, as a part of a lawsuit, he referred to that phone
call and how he believes that presenting it as an
element of the Ukraine, Russian war was wrong.
Like, he was like. And so he's nitpicking there.
But... so what is he suing you over? What is the suit claim? Well, it claims a lot.
It's 200 pages. 200 pages. 200...
pages. And what's really interesting is my
series was based on a book I worked with, Xavier Poussard, who is a journalist,
a very, very credible journalist in France,
who worked on the story... for eight years and ended
up having to move to Italy, move his family to Italy, because... of what Brigitte and her husband.
You know, France is a whole
different political system, certainly is, and they can Just bring charges against It's authoritarian country
run completely by Macron, and they pretend that's not true,
but it is true. It is 1000% true. And so journalists that first got wise to the fact that Brigitte Macron kind of didn't
exist for 30 years of her life were harassed by the government. They filed charges against them for,
first and foremost, invasion of privacy. So there was never a dispute when
she was bringing these charges about. She never brought a
charge against people... for saying that she was born a man. And that's what should be
made clear to everybody. Like that's not something that they're,
they ever say is not true... when it comes down to the legality of it all when, when they get into courtrooms. But they
first sued for invasion of privacy. then they sued for defamation regarding a statement, an error that the woman had made
investigating when she said, in my opinion, you know,
this document is fake. But that document actually was real. It was a birth certificate
relating to somebody in the story. And so it was remarkably petty... And this is what they do. They get very legalistic. We'll keep you in the courtroom,
we'll harass you. And for Xavier,
things were happening where it was. They made, they wanted him to know
they were following him... and that the Secret Service
was keep keeping an eye on him. yes They never actually brought a
suit against him until recently, the same time as mine. They're not suing him for defamation, even though he's the author of the
book that I based my entire series on. They are instead suing him for cyberbullying. Cyberbullying a head of state. You can do that in Europe I should just say,
because it's true that the French intelligence services, everyone makes fun of France
as incompetent and weak, but their intel services
are not incompetent or weak. And after probably CIA, Mossad. maybe the Russian intel services,
like they are feared. And they should be feared. but They are feared. They are feared,
that they're very competent, they're violent, documented, they've killed people and
they're nothing to play with, really. Right. That's why he picked up
his family and he moved. And so it was this tremendous
act of bravery that he did this, you know, putting not just his life on
the line with the life of his wife and his children.
I get it. Because the story here was
so demented and so twisted... and just also the broader consideration
that you could have an entire state colluding to protect a
secret of that magnitude... And what's so compelling about this story, and I get into this in the first
episode of Becoming Brigitte, is the... that by the time it made its way
to the English speaking world, people thought that this was like a, as always, far right conspiracy dug up
from the trenches of Reddit... And that's not what happened at all.
You know, the story begins with Emmanuel Macron
and his wife is actually the journalists, the left leaning journalists. The content as journalists who Wanted to celebrate Brigitte... Wanted to do documentaries on Brigitte. This wonderful woman
is... Is.
Is. Is now empowered,
and what is she going to do? And. And they were kind of getting threatened. They were told to come
to the Alize palace, and there was only one person
that they could talk to. They couldn't find or verify
anything about Brigitte's history or Brigitte's past... And they sort of fell down
the hole and were like, I don't know why.
I suddenly feel... like I've done something wrong
for asking basic questions... about the first lady of France. And so that's kind of where the series begins. And it kind of takes you through
what they went through and what many people have gone through since, just trying to learn anything about...
the first lady. So to be clear, I. It's an amazing story, and for so many reasons,
but for the one that you just described, that this was actually
well known in France. It all took place in public. But I don't think... one in a million Americans had
any idea at all until your... series came out. And the initial reaction
to your series was, well, that now we know Candace is insane. Really going off the deep end. The wife's a man.
Come on now. Um, and then as the series progressed
and became one of the biggest podcast series in the country, and sort of sober, people were saying,
actually, you should listen to this. This is pretty. This is pretty wild, pretty compelling. But I just want to get to the lawsuit.
So, like, they're suing.
They're not. They're suing you for defamation... for things That I never said,
which is they. They know that this lawsuit, this. This is why I called it a.
A PR strategy. This lawsuit was filed for the press. Right. Because she just lost her defamation
case against two journalists in France. And now everyone...
was reporting. Wait, you said that this was
the big case that proved. Or you presented it as if you were suing them on this claim of you
being a man or a woman. And now you've lost that in France. This is your home territory.
What's going on?.. And so I think she called
the lawyers and were like, just. Just file a lawsuit,
because it's very sloppy. The points run into one another.
Like, first they argue that
I'm doing it for money, then they make the argument
that I was fired for talking, speaking about it.
So that doesn't make any sense. It can't be both. And it's a bunch of
stuff that I didn't say. They're. They're behaving like mainstream
journalists where they'll take a couple of words that I said, like gangster, criminal, and gangster. But then they add their
own sentence to it, and they're like, she accused her of being a
criminal and a gangster... So it's very sloppy.
And what they're doing is they. They're just biting their time. They don't want the world to look, which,
this was a... very bad mistake,
a very bad way to go about it, but they want the world to believe
that she has a claim against me, that what we're suing, therefore, you know, because this podcaster lied. But it's way too late.
I mean, truly, it's is. Everyone is aware of what's happened. This only made the series go viral. Now it's going viral in Asia.
You know, I'm getting all of these
emails from people in China saying this series is going viral. They're not even on YouTube, so I don't know how they're
watching it in China. But it was a mistake because
obviously now people are going, okay, something must be true. You know, a president of a foreign country does not sue...
a mom... that does her podcast in her basement because...
she spoke something...
that was not true. Like, there is clearly something
that they want hidden. And so everyone's taking a
closer look at the series. Yeah, that's not the way to hide things... The way to hide things is say,
poor Candace, nice woman, obviously mentally ill. You know, come on, now.
That's. That's the way to do it. And sophisticated liars do that. right So it is interesting.
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and that while we have said that you can't ask us any questions, we'll sue you for cyber bullying...
There is something Cyber Bullying. cyber bullying, whatever,
whatever the claims are here, but there is something about it where once you really arrive at a truth, what I find the reaction is for the
people that are incensed by the fact that you're presenting that truth is I'll impoverish you. And I've seen this over and over again. It's like, okay, she told the truth. But our response to that is going
to be demands that she get fired. Right.
She should lose her livelihood... for speaking the truth.
She should lose. And that's why Jake Tapper,
I don't know if you've seen it, you probably haven't
because it's Jake Tapper. But... he sits down with Tom Clare
who is a lawyer on this case. And Jake Tapper is doing the absolute
most to make this just the easiest interview for Tom Clare. He's sitting across from him and he's like, she's deranged and she's crazy and
she's a conspiracy theorist. So much so Jake Tapper said that? Jake Tapper. But so much so that people
in the comments were like, now I want and watch a series. His own viewers thought this
was just so over the top. But then he turns to Tom Clare and
he asks him like a basic question. He's like, you know, what evidence did you present
to her that Brigitte to man? And Tom Clare can't answer the question.
He's like, we, you know, we.
There was a. You can read the claims.
It's we. It's extensive. And you know,
we told her that she was a woman. They never presented any evidence. We went to them before we published the series. We were in touch with Tom Clare...
of Clare Locke We sent them a list of questions.
We said, look, we won't even do this series if
you answer these basic circle yes or no questions... Was Brigitte Macron, the first lady
born a woman? I mean, that basic of questions. Did she ever live as a person named Veronique? Before the transition temporarily, Brigitte lived as a
person named Veronique. They refused to answer
these yes or no questions... Obviously,
if you're going to prove actual malice, you have to. You have to present to the court,
which is. It's obviously a very
high bar that's been set, which I don't necessarily
even agree with that bar, by the way, New York Times versus Sullivan But...
obviously you have to prove that I acted. I knew the truth and I acted. That's exactly right. I was desperate to get to the truth and
said I would stop doing this series. We also offered for me to get on a
plane and fly to France... to interview to get
Brigitte's side of this. You know, I want to make sure I'm not colored by having read Becoming
Brigitte and reading the series. There could be another side. And it was...
essentially a big FU. And said, Tom Clare comes back, she doesn't have to answer your question.
she, That doesn't have to prove to you. So they retained Tom Clare
and Libby Locke then, or Tom Clare.
So Tom Clare and Libby Locke are married, second marriage for him...
But I know them and they have a law firm, I believe,
in suburban D.C. and Virginia that specializes in making people
shut up through intimidation. They tried it with me and in a really brutal, cruel way,
I would say, to try and just scare
you into shutting up. So that itself, I don't think think anyone regards
Tom Clare as a good lawyer at all. But certainly, you know, his behavior is designed
to intimidate you. So the fact that they
hired them at the outset, that's the behavior of someone who just
like wants to scare you into shutting up. And I. The timing of when they first sent us a
letter was actually December of last year, sorry, the end of November of last year. We missed the letter because they
sent it to a inbox that we would have never been checking.
It was very weird inbox, like where you would
go to return a T shirt. and
we. Because we missed that. And I'm glad I missed it because
I probably would have been scared. I think they knew because that was right when I began speaking
with Xavier Poussard... and I was in London at the time. And I had agreed to interview him. But nobody knew I was
gonna do this interview. So what made them suddenly send
this intimidating letter? And Tom Clare sent it. Tom Clare sent it. They'd already retained him. They had retained him,
and he sent a letter. And I think that they...
were monitoring... Xavier Poussard I think they
were monitoring either his communications or monitoring him. well how else would they have known That he was flying to London to
sit down to an interview with me. And they sent it... just a week before I sat down with him. that is wild, Well,
keep in mind, the subject of your story controls
some of the most competent intel services in the world, Correct
correct. he's the head of state.
There are no rules at all. Which is enough to make you a little
uncomfortable if you think about it... And the fact that they would
hire those two lawyers. By the way.
his wife, Libby Locke, is Bill Ackman's lawyer,
who Ackman uses to make people shut up. By sending hysterical letters, screechy letters, threatening to destroy you if you
keep talking about the client. I mean, it's really thuggish. Interesting. Let's just go through.
But can we just go through, like. chronologically, how this unfolded? So at the core of the story
is the allegation that Brigitte Macron is
not who she says she is. And that would include her sex
is not what she says it is. Correct. She was born a man named
Jean Michel Trogno. And I'm aware if you have
not watched the series. That sounds crazy, because that was me when
I first saw the headline. Yes.
No, no. I mean, I was alerted to it by the Daily Mail. I thought it was such a crazy,
insane headline, but it was. The Daily Mail had done this. Had published an article saying that
with a video of Emmanuel Macron denying claims his wife was a man. And I just thought, that's really funny.
Like, what could possibly be going on in
France that the president has to deny a claim that his wife's a man? But something that caught my eye was
just as I was reading this article, they made no effort to debunk it... Like,
it was sort of like it was that typical cnn, New York Times.
It's so crazy. It's like, okay,
but if it's so crazy, just, you know, post some photos of her. Obviously, she's got three kids. There's gonna be tons of photos
of her raising her children. There's nothing.
They had one solitary photo. And when you look at the photo,
it was very obvious. And this is before I got into the details, that she looks a lot more like
the little boy that's on the left than she does... Who they were trying to purport was
the little girl that was sitting on the family member's lap. And so I got into it
kind of very organically. I was like, this is weird,
like, what's going on in France, that the President has to make
a comment on the situation. And then I, I found a website... where it explained it, and I instantly realized
there is something here. Like, you just.
You don't have any... photos of yourself for
30 years of your life... And the, the two photos that you've given have been given to the public
from a woman who has quite literally been charged... with forging documents. I mean, she's a thug. I mean, Mimi Marshawn,
they had to eventually get rid of her. Forging documents, thuggery,
things of that nature, of a criminal nature.
She's the only one. Everyone's going to go through her... to get any information about
your past. This is so strange. I mean,
it's so kooky that you wouldn't just. The defense of this is just, hey,
could you show us any... pictures...
of your living for these 30 years? You know, you had allegedly three children... Do you guys take any photos
while you were raising them? Maybe when you were in the hospital?..
No, no, no, no.
Tucker, they, there's, there's nothing... there. how So it's an, it's an amazing allegation,
a stunning allegation, a bewildering allegation. But I think the legal and
the moral question is. did you give an opportunity, did you give the Prime Minister and
his wife an opportunity, the Macron's the opportunity to respond to the allegation before the series ran? So that's my question. Weeks to respond. in What way did you do that?
Did you call them? Did you. Via Tom, Clare was their lawyer.
So it was. It actually, they kind of made a mistake. They messaged us first to kind of intimidate us and say, you know, I don't. You're working on this thing, or you're,
You know, Did they say how they
knew you're working on it. I don't, I am not clear. Because what was interesting is they,
in that first letter, they included claims of what I said
while I was working up at the daily wire. That was the previous March. So you're responding to
something that I said in March. We're now in December. So what triggered you?
Like, and clearly it had to have been
that I had just interviewed Xavier Broussard and they were aware of it. So then they said, okay,
send her out a letter to intimidate her. And obviously getting a letter,
for most people, you get a letter from a
sitting president of France, you're going to go, okay,
well, I'm just going to be quiet... and not say anything more because I
don't want to get involved in this. But for me, it just made me even more curious. And so to be sure, I said,
well, I'm glad we have a lot of communication
established because I'm certainly not interested in defaming you. I'm not interested in lying.
Obviously, I would do myself a
disservice if all of this was, was complete crap... and it turned out that
I had been pedaling it. So here are my questions. Very simple yes or no questions. Did you ever live as Veronique, who is Jean Michel Trogneux?
No... Refused to answer. They just instantly got So you... presented the allegations,
them which they of course were aware of, that people had made others, not you, that she's not really who she says she is. And you said, can you explain? Yeah, and honestly didn't require much of an explanation.
We also asked, can you give us any photos of you
living through this 30 year period? I mean, pretty easy stuff. If you're actually concerned and
you're gonna pretend you're so traumatized and defamed... because of this story,
I would have been like, yeah, of course.
Here I am. Here's me in middle school.
Here's me, on the cheerleading team. Here's me the first day
I held my first son. Here's me.
It's such an easy thing to debunk... that it requires the
suspension of common sense to believe that this is a
conspiracy theory because it's just, it's so easy to debunk and
yet they refuse to do it. And they're being
extremely petty and going after every single person
that speaks about it. now have they ever provided that, that evidence to anybody? No, that's the point.
They haven't to this day? They would have never had to sue
anybody because everyone would have then laughed at them. Like if someone was working on a story
saying that I lived as a man for 30 years, I don't need to lawyer up. I want you to publish that story so that I can then come out...
and say this person is a psychopath.
Clearly, here is the trove of me
growing up with my sisters. Here's my middle school
yearbook to the contrary, Even when Xavier Poussard,
because he has been, worked on this for 10 years and
therefore filing paperwork with the government to get pictures. Jean Michel Trogneux. has a military File. He also filed to get
Brigitte's school yearbook where...
she's allegedly has a picture. And he won that case and
then took it to secret coeur, which is Sacred Heart.
And, and they said, we're not releasing it. I don't care if you won the case. We're refusing to release this to you. So every, in every regard, something that would be able to dispel this rumor,
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So if so, it sounds like from what you've said,
you don't believe this case was even designed to go forward. No, they're not planning on a
courtroom showdown here. And there's no way.
By the way, I engaged with Libby Locke and Tom
Clare a long time ago about defamation, and they told me not to go after
it because the bar was so high. And I had a very clear case where
someone told a blatant lie about me, which we would have. Which we happily countered right away. so you Dealt with them before. Yeah.
Oh, I have emails from. This is the funny part. I have emails from them. I love you, adore you, we watch your show. They're totally soulless, both of them. Yeah, clearly. yes The motive here is money, which is fine,
if that's what you want your legacy to be. Because at the core of this case, which most people should
be speaking about, is their defense.
Here is. I'm...
I am admitting. Which they've never done before, they've now admitting that
Emmanuel macron was only 14... when they met, when he was in that play. Fifteen,
she says whenever this affair happened. And in my...
suit, they admit that Emmanuel Macron's
parents took him away from the school... because of this relationship. Do you understand...
how the. The audacity of.
I'm a creep. I macked on a student at best, and I have the audacity
to file this lawsuit. I mean, what is going on in France... that you would so willfully
put that in a lawsuit? Which, by the way, debunks their earlier claims.
When he first ran for office, the press said he was 17. Then when Xavier Pussard
proved that that wasn't true, then suddenly we're saying he was 16... Now we've got them
writing that he was 15... But the truth is, is that Emmanuel Chrome is 14. And they can't go back on that truth because she has. Isn't that child molestation? There we go. That's another big thing happening here. She's desperate now to keep it at 15. Brigitte wants to keep it at 15. No, he was 14 when he was in that play. That she says that she watched him and as, you know,
14 year old boys, I guess as a 40 year old woman,
you would just be so swept away... by a 14 year old child on stage. He was in this play, I'm forgetting the name of,
it's a French name, Mila Kundera's play. And that's when she alleges that she saw him and, and he just was ahead of his time, a savant so brilliant in his demonstration,
his ability to act... that.
And he's, he's a little kid. He's a child.
He's a child. And this is a very creepy, sadistic story. And the more that you learn how much
the press lied about that earlier story, I mean even the press in the beginning, when he was running for office even
said that Brigitte McCrone was this like irresistibly hot teacher. Like they kept comparing
her to Claudia Schiffer. And then when Xavier and these journalists got documents and like, you know, pictorial evidence of what
Brigitte looked like at that time. She looked like a man in
the middle of a transition. You know, and so even that,
I mean, the way the press lied to sell this creepy relationship... is something that should concern everyone. Whether you believe she's a man or not, what you have is a couple
that is willfully getting away with at best, like
molestation, a sexual perversion. He runs the country This is not some random guy. Oh, that's. yeah And that's not in dispute. No, that's not. It was in dispute because they tried
to at first say that he was 17. Now she's saying 15.
The truth is Emmanuel Macron was 14. I'll just go with 15 and say that's wrong. Yeah, right.
Do we even need to. Well, I mean, 15, I mean,
that's a whole different thing. And that was
the comments... under Jake Tapper's interview with Tom Clare. People, and this is the left,
this is his show, were outraged. They were going,
how could you defend this? I asked the question to Tom Clare on
my show as I unpacked all of the child molestation that surrounds them. It's an entire orbit of people who
have been found guilty and have openly admitted to molesting their children. These are their friends.
Okay. That's why she's angry, because I'm like,
it's. And it's not just them, it's this guy, this guy,
this guy, he funded the campaign, then had to come out and say, yes,
I molested my, my stepson and, and the stepdaughter. Wrote a book about it. A person admitted to that.
And these are friends of the Macron's? Oh, yeah, they're a current lawyer. Okay.
Who was the finance minister? Brigitte handpicked him to be
the finance minister of France. His name is Eric Dupont Moretti. This was my episode two days ago, of course,
because everyone in their orbit just, I don't know,
has an interesting pedophilia story. Do you have any friends
who are pedophiles? None!
It's They just can't... stop finding friends that are
somehow involved in these crazy pedophilia scandals. And Eric Dupont Moretti made a name for
himself as the lawyer that comes in... on behalf of the offending. In this case.
It's almost always incest, by the way, in all the cases that
he involves himself in. And he convinces the court, as he did in one certain case
called the Mannechez Affair, that, okay,
yeah, it is incest. Yeah, he's been raping his daughter. But.
And this is what he's famous for, it's happy incest. And he sold it to the court and
got this guy sentence reduced. He had been raping two of his daughters. Come on. I'm not kidding. You could look this up on Wikipedia,
no less. And.
And he sold this to the court, coined the phrase along
with another person who. Another lawyer, who... Emmanuel awarded the Medal of Freedom,
too. And they said to the court in Amiens, which is where Brigitte
and Emmanuel are both born, that... you should release this guy
because he loves his daughter. And now she's 21,
and so it doesn't really matter. And honestly, it's the mom's fault.
He. They encourage them to all sleep together. And so they did.
They released him early. And then his daughter tried to escape him and he killed her. So this is.
This is who? This is the guy who's on the
news channels right now saying, we're going to go after
Candace Owens because this is a state affair. And he's got this whole glorious story
about how I'm being funded by Russia, because it's always Russia,
as we all know. It's got to be Russia funded by Russia? His.
His theory so, this feels like the. The kind of end stage...
of something. I hate the phrase global elite because
it sounds so spooky or whatever, but that's what it is. The depraved.
I don't even call them the elite. They're the depraved. And they've just been running the
game for so long that they're not even Getting creative anymore. There's always a part of
town with depraved people. Like, they're.
You know, every society has the depraved. The depraved community. But has there been, since Rome, really, a whole class of depraved people with this much power? That's.
That's what... gets. I think so, yeah. The more that I study and the more
that I take a look at this picture. Because at first, you know, you go through this
period where you're going, am I crazy? Or are they all defending, like,
children being raped? Like, this can't be... This can't be right.
Like, somebody's gonna stand
up and say something. And the only thing that you can do in those
moments where you're questioning whether or not this could be the circumstance
is to educate yourself further. And I find that whatever area they have sort of an inordinate response to, where they're,
like, getting very angry about
something that seems so simple, is probably where you should press your
thumb the hardest. And I did this with, like, Sigmund Freud... I kind of said something
on my show about how, like, Sigmund Freud was like, a pervert and getting
into children and incest. His whole theory, blaming the children for their parents being incestuous. And the reaction across the. The press, like, how dare she?
I'm like, he's dead... Why are you defending this guy? Not American he did present a theory that these
children who were being raped by, you know, by their fathers were... actually attracted to them. Why are you defending this? And then I got educated about
it and started reading books and stunned.
Yes, this is. This is actually something
that he was doing. And I learned this from the person who
controls the Sigmund Freud archives, who wrote this amazing book
called the Assault on Truth... But there is this common thread
that it brings you back to... Paris every time,
whether you're talking about Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell,
talking about Emmanuel Macron and. And Brigitte,
you're talking about Sigmund Freud. He studied and then... came up with this theory while he
was studying under Charcot in Paris, that actually, even though we see all this evidence
that these kids are being raped, it is their fault because they're
attracted to their fathers... And for this guy who
rang the alarm on this, like, years later, he was working with Anna Freud and
he was in control of the archives. His name is Jeffrey Massone... He got kicked out of the archives... for telling the truth. Very, very famous case. Oh, yeah, he got kicked out
and. But he wrote the book still. Cause he still had the letters. He published the letters to prove
that Sigmund Freud knew for a fact these kids were being raped.
and boy, was he attacked boy, was he attacked for that too. But here's what's interesting about that. He publishes that book,
the Assault on Truth, and Anna allowed him to because she
could have stopped the book. And Anna Freud chose not to stop the book. I think she wanted the secret to be out...
But... you go through these stories and over
and over again you get this theme of... this very dark theme of
children that are being raped, right?
And it's incestuous, like I said, while they're talking
about Jeffrey Epstein, why do we keep coming back to this theme? And why does it seem that the media is colluding to cover that up? I thought no matter where,
where we were on the spectrum, left or right,
like when it came to children, whether it's murder, rape,
like we all were on the same page, that like,
we have to defend innocent lives. And so then you have to
press further and go, what is the theology here? Because everything,
as my husband has taught me, as a theology.
They're being guided by a theology. And while the rest of
the world is being driven towards... either being agnostic or
being outwardly atheistic, I think the people that are in control are, are being pulled by. Oh, they're not atheists. They're not atheists at all. Oh, I couldn't agree more. It's interesting.
One of my children,
one of my smarter children said to me today, actually said,
child molestation is the only crime with no justification. And I never thought of it that way. And it's like murder, of course,
you know, murder's wrong. Of course there's plenty of circumstances
where I can imagine committing murder... and going to hell for it. But I mean, I can imagine, you know, getting so mad that I shoot
somebody or you know what I mean, stealing, lying.
But it's not possible to imagine a justification... for molesting a child,
for being sexual with a child. And it's also not possible to imagine for all the sins
that I can imagine committing in a certain circumstance.
Like that's just,
I can't even get my head around it. That's just not appealing in any way. Like you'd never even think
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Freud and I realized why they were so triggered when I kind of,
I'm always a person, like accidentally lands on something and
then there's just like this reaction. It's like, you can't do that. yes And then I go, okay,
well, I better worry about that because there's
something you don't want me to know. And so now I'm curious. If they would just leave me alone,
I promise that I wouldn't even have come down this path. But, but what you learn about Sigmund,
Sigmund Freud, is that what he actually mainstreamed?
I mean, the psychoanalytic movement
was quite literally a movement to mainstream gaslighting... And this is no question, like I said,
you can read Sigmund Freud's archives. This guy was not a guy theorizing this,
that this is what was going on. He had access, learned German,
read the archives, alerted Anna Freud and was like, hey, did you know your dad knew that
these kids were being raped and yet he lied to the public?.. And she's like, yeah, I think, you know, maybe don't publish that. But then she, she let him publish it. And I think that was a cry for help.
But that's, that's my theory anyways.
The second book to read was. Once you get to that and you go,
what is this guiding theology? Why did Sigmund Freud
at first acknowledge, as he did openly that all these
kids were being raped? Because he was at the morgue. Some of these kids were
dying because of their, their injuries. And he was at the morgue in Paris. He saw this up front. There was no dispute... The literature has been published. He's studying under Charcot. And then he does this pivot suddenly
when he turns 35 and he says, never mind. These kids are not, these kids are not,
not being abused. They're.
They're attracted to their fathers. They're the sexual provocateurs. David Bakan...
published a book and he relates it to. And he makes a very sound argument
and then proves his theory... that it's the. It's called Sigmund Freud and
the Jewish Mystical Tradition. And he relates to,
he related to the Kabbalah, this sort of gnostic idea that you have
to descend into hell and then you'll be brought up and like the worst thing that you could possibly do,
the worst of... sin they believe in this idea of holy sin, is to harm a child. Now again, these people that I'm citing just
because I know that you start talking about Sigmund Freud and ah,
tiny Semitism. These people
who wrote these books are both Jewish. Jeffrey Masson is Jewish.
He's ashkenaziJew. David Bakan is an ashkenazi Jew. These people are professors and, you know,
they have their credentials here to make these conclusions.
And what he... theorizes in this book
is that Sigmund Freud... was mainstreaming the Kabbalah
through cycle psychoanalytics. And the reason why he waited until he was 35,
as he explains, is that in the Kabbalah tradition, they don't. They think it's so powerful,
whatever the Kabbalah is, and I'm not educated on the Kabbalah,
I will admit that, but whatever it is. they don't tell their kids
about it until they turn 35. And when Sigmund Freud was 35, he received a Hebrew
Bible from his father... And it's like,
I guess they believe in numerology, whatever it is. And he was suddenly awakened to
whatever aspect of the Kabbalah that it was... After David Bakan published the book,
a rabbi came to him. He got in touch with the rabbi and
spoke to this rabbi who told him that, yes, Sigmund Freud...
was a Kabbalist because... he knew him personally and he had a Zohar in his apartment or in his place. And he then verified that his theory
as reading through his papers was correct and that he was a Kabbalist. And so I think it's important for people,
as I started a book club, to read these books, like,
don't take it from me. And I always say, yeah,
we need to stop, stop falling for this credentialism. You shouldn't listen to me
because I'm Candace Owens. I have a podcast. I want you to read
these same books and to recognize... that something very wrong
is happening in this world. And when we point to these facts,
we're all being gaslit. Like, we're suddenly being told that having a response as just
one example to right now to, like,
kids dying in Gaza makes us monsters... Well, Sigmund Freud is the person that
introduced the idea of sort of this, that gaslighting could
be an effective strategy. And gaslighting, as I understand it,
is the process of inverting blame. So I punch you in the face and
attack you for assaulting me. How dare you hit me. so. And it feels like we're constantly
being gaslit by the media Well, it does. It does feel like there's an
awful lot of blame shifting. I see it in a very different context,
but it's on economics. It's like.
you know, the, the working class. The United States has been like, completely under assault. It's not accidental. They were kind of targeted for extinction and treated with maximum contempt. And then they're like,
blamed for their medieval attitudes. They're all racist or whatever.
It's like, no, actually I think they're
the ones who aren't... winning. They seem to be losing out in a deal that
is making a lot of other people rich... Why are we attacking them? Well, then you get called a racist, right? You get called a racist for noticing that.
And these people who are like, I just want to be able to feed
my families and go to work and feel good about that. yeah It has nothing to do with race. Like, how did race become...
part of this? It's like, what? But that's an element of that. And one of the things to,
to recognize about Freud is that. So the Freud family creates
a psychoanalytic movement. Sigmund Freud does. And, and they're gaslighting people. But then that turns into... modern propaganda because that,
it's the Freud Bernays family. It's the same family... Edward Bernays is the person...
that created propaganda during World War II.
The OSS, like, they were using him to figure
out how can we mainstream, like, how can we convince an
entire population to want to go to war, you know,
to hate Germans. This is the guy that they brought in.
So it's the same. The...
psychoanalytic movement then turns into... propaganda with Edward Bernays
and then turns into pr. Like, the biggest PR person in the world
right now is still the Freud family... The Freud family are
the PR for the royals. His name is Matthew Freud. So you can draw a direct
line in understanding that these things. I think Matthew Freud was married
to Rupert Murdoch's daughter. That is true...
That is correct. And so it's very interesting to. just, just noting. Yeah, and it's important for people
to recognize this though. These people have had a
tremendous head start, okay?
They know how the mind works. They have run these experiments on people. They have had this relationship
with the state forever. In fact, I think they are the state,
if I'm being honest. They are the state. I shouldn't even say it's
relationship with the state. And... what they are constantly trying
to do is to infect your mind. Okay? So picture you being that, that,
you know, child who lived this
horrific experience... and now you have an adult saying before
you and saying that never happened and you're crazy and what's wrong with you is
that you're like attracted to your dad. That's what they're
doing to all of us in a, in a certain way, obviously way more devastating
when it happens to a child in, in that regard,
in that sinister regard. But when you see the mainstream
media apparatus today... and they're gaslighting us like the, the,
the case of Brigitte Macronis, the most gaslighting I've
ever seen in my life, where it's just like,
you could debunk this in one second, but you won't. And you're calling us deranged and you're
calling us crazy and you're calling us anti sematic for caring about a
dead Palestinian kid and you're. It's like this is... Yeah, they created this system and the only way that... we're going to be able to
defeat it is we have to first, we have to first understand it. And that's why I really
encourage people to get educated. And I just made it my point because I constantly kept getting this claim, like anti Semitic talk
about Sigmund Freud, that I was like,
you know what I'm going to do? I'm only going to read Israeli historians
and I'm only going to read Jewish books, books that are written by Jewish
authors so that we can just go ahead and dispel the rumor. I never heard that.
It's interesting. Sigmund Freud has gone in and out of...
style. Well, he was very in style
when I was young and then He was very in style. Yes.
And then he was really knocked off the pedestal by... feminists as I recall,
because he had like... some... non fashionable views on women
and calling them hysterical, etc. Etc.
But I, I don't recall... Sigmund Freud being
like a protected figure. Since when is criticizing
him a hate crime? I. That's what was so weird to me. Me, I did one episode on the Daily Wire. I don't think he was a religious Guy,
at least exactly.
I did one episode and I was speaking about also all of his friends. His best friend was this guy,
Wilhelm Fleece, who. His son came out, Robert Fleece,
and said, my, my son, I mean,
my father sexually assaulted me. Everyone surrounding him was
like sexually assaulting their children in Vienna...
Which is again what? what is that? I mean, I feel like I've been everywhere, know a ton of people. I've never met anyone who's been
accused of molesting his own child. That so far out. I've known people who've done every
bad thing and I've never met anybody who's even been accused of that. And yet you're describing two...
clusters of people, powerful people, famous people, where like tons of people in the orbit have been accused of or have in fact committed child molestation. Well,
let me just tell you as you get into, as you get into my series, like... as I point to all these, these, this orbit around them of everyone
who just keeps accidentally committing pedophilia, defending pedophiles, whatever it is...
The best part is... for me...
that they kind of laugh in your face. That they want you to know
that there's something, there's an element of it
that's partially sadistic. what the hell! Presidential portrait. Emmanuel Macron leaning against a desk Everybody has to do this,
lean against a desk. Obviously the official
presidential portrait. He chooses to put a book... and he has in multiple interviews
said they anticipated author... by André Gide yes on the table.
André Gide- is an author... who admitted openly that he was a pedophile. He's a pederast. He specifically
only actually molests little boys. And he would go down to Algeria, Morocco and he would write
books based on his experiences. The president of France chose to put that book...
Okay. An André Gide book on his desk for
his official presidential portrait. Like there was no other book,
that you could have picked to put there... There's an element of it where they, I think that they've
amassed so much power. And it's quite interesting
because I think maybe Daryl Cooper told you about this.
But getting into Bill Barr's father, Donald Barr. Who wrote that weird book. yes The space. yes It's called Space something. Space Relations by Donald Barr,
where he predicts a colony of Kossars, as he calls them,
kossars, K O S S A R S. He Spells it.
That are so bored with their power. They're so bored with being elite,
just getting away with everything, you know... And he then predicts kind
of in this fantasy book, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
It's very strange. Got it.
And he also was, you know, in the oss, which was the precursor for the CIA. But there's an element of that when I see Emmanuel Macron engaging in that, that it's like they want to get caught
and they just have so much power, they know there's never going
to be any consequences for it. Where you go, why would you do this? You could have put any
other book on your desk. You could have put literally any other book on your desk. But you chose... a self admitted, never denied the fact... that he would go down...
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you've said for the past 20 minutes. Makes me think
they'd be crazy to bring this to trial... because that would allow you discovery. I think they're banking
on us dismissing it. I think one of two options. dismissing it?
What does that mean? You can at first file to dismiss
the case because you're going, hi, we have the first amendment
right This is crazy. It's, it's, it's coming from Paris. I mean, like,
why on earth would we honor this at all? Secondly, it's like, are we really going to allow the
French president to come in here and like stifle my right to speech? And typically in a normal scenario, a judge would dismiss this case
because it's completely crazy. And we can obviously then produce
the evidence that we asked them these questions and they chose not to
reply to them for whatever reason. I think they want us to dismiss it. And again, I'm guessing just so they can say, oh well, we tried, but you know, America has its own beast
and they have actual malice. or
they are going to...
pretend that Brigitte died from grief. I don't know.
I don't. Because clearly they're not
going to go through discovery. Right.
If you were going to go through discovery, you would have just published
pictures a long time ago and put an end to all the rumors.
Right. Because then you're gonna,
you're gonna have to give me proof of this 30 year period
where you just kind of. So you're not going to try
to have the case dismissed? I certainly do not want to
have the case dismissed. Amazing I've never heard that before Can I just, I just want to Linger
on this for a moment. Having been around a lot of lawsuits, I've never heard anybody sued particularly this is.
They're spending a lot of money on this because Tom Clare and his wife
have big expenses and they, I think they charge a lot. I've never heard anybody say, I don't want a well funded case against me to be dismissed. It's how I feel. And the reason that I feel that way,
truly, Tucker, is because this is so that's amazing.
you're being serious? So much bigger, you know, and we're,
so we're having those discussions. We've spoken to the lawyer,
we want it moved to Tennessee. They filed in Delaware. What's happening here
is so much bigger and... so much more important for the world. In Delaware, really? Yeah.
Which is interesting. You know, Hunter kind of notoriously said,
like, we control the courts in Delaware. but Fox News found out, absurd case against Fox News by Dominion. I was not named in him. I got sucked into it. But Tom Clare was involved in that
case and it was in Delaware... and they just had a
completely compliant judge. It was just a joke. Yeah,
Well, that's very interesting because they did
file in Delaware and it is a place where we know that the courts are corrupt. But this would be a kind
of precedent that would be, I think,
almost even too crazy for Delaware. You're talking about a sitting president
of another country coming in and saying, I, I'm gonna sue you for telling the truth.
We have truth on our side. Right.
We actually have truth. So unless he's gonna say, blah, blah,
blah, I'm not looking at anything in it. You're not.
You're gonna get, get no discovery and we're just
going to award this person, I mean,
you got to give the other side discovery, right? How does Macron collect,
as a foreign head of state? How does he collect? This is.
There is... nothing that we can look at. We are pioneering this, obviously, because this has never happened
in the history of the world, that a sitting president
of foreign country has sued a journalist,
a podcaster in another country. It just, it's never happened...
So we don't know. I didn't even know how it,
how he could sue. Actually, I thought that you could only sue in a... I just am learning with everybody else that's amazing. how this is going to work.
But again, speaking of Tom, Clare and Dominion,
as he was sitting up there giddy with Jake Tapper, as these representatives of,
like, the state, because that's who they represent. They represent the state. of course...
they always represent the State, but they're giddy, talking about Dominion because
Jake Tapper sits to him, he's like, and how much did you get
from Dominion lawsuit? That's a lot of money. You're going to sue
her for all that money? And that tells you who their master is,
is right? Oh, I think we know these people are satanic, right?
That you, you've, you can't beat me in the
arena of truth and facts. So what do you do next?
Well, I'm going to punish you. I'm going to destroy your livelihood. You're going to have nothing to your name. And that's why I say this,
this case matters so much more to me because we can't have this sort of behavior... coming from people that are governing us,
right? That say, even if you find the truth,
even if I am a pervert, even if I got away with sleeping with my student,
even though... his parents try to take him away, there's nothing...
you can do about it. And I'm going to impoverish you... for even telling people, like,
that's what this lawsuit is. I'm going to impoverish you... for telling the truth. And they're happy. You got to see, they're like,
he's like, giddy discussing it. And then he turns in the camera,
Jake Tapper and goes, fox News did this... And how much money did you get? Like, it's, it's totally bizarre. I'm like, that's your master. And you're going to come up against. you're going to come up against
a hard rock here because. I don't care about money. If I hope the story of Candace Owens over the last two years,
people have come to understand... that money is not my master. I think that's very obvious to everyone. What's interesting, though, since I know everybody
you're talking about, is you're the happiest person by far. And I don't mean to be, like, fake pious or whatever, like,
the good guys win in the end, but it is true that you can tell who's speaking truth by
who is common and happy. It is true. yeah Lying makes you afraid, brittle, angry.
It does. I've lied before. It makes me afraid, brittle, and angry. And the more you tell the truth, the calmer you are. I just think that's real.
And... anyway, I don't think in the end you win siding with the state...
against the truth teller. No.
And that's why I asked that question. Like, Tom, I know you've watched
every minute of the series. You know that they are
surrounded by these people. You know about the children,
victims that have been silent. Is it really worth it? You said that to him? Yeah, on my podcast. I just
said I had to openly, as we went through this Mannechez
affair and this woman ending up dead because they fought to, like, get this pedophile...
and... creature in Amien released. I just asked him, like,
is it really worth it? what did he say Like, because for me, you couldn't... I couldn't look at a case that
involved the abuse of children... or a network of people who are
involved with the abuse of children, who have admitted to abusing children, who are defending people who have
admitted to abusing children. And put my head in the pillow at night. And that's what matters most
in everything that I do. I have to be able to put my head
on a pillow at night and say, I feel like I've done. I did what I thought was the right thing
to do and it was a good thing to do. right
yes And most people are not guided by that. They're guided by this master of money.
Right. And they're willing to do these sorts
of things to look the other way... Because you're gonna cash a check, like,
you and Libby are gonna cash a check, and, like, that's gonna be good. Do you want that to be your legacy? I ask him that genuinely, like,
I hope that out. We do get to court,
and I get to ask him that face to face. Maybe he's deposing me. And I get to ask him, like,
is the money worth it?.. I.
I just want to know. I need to know that,
because I could never. When it comes to children,
I will breathe fire... on Tom Cla re.
Before I would sign up to knowingly Aid people... who have harmed children. Having sat in a long
deposition with Tom Clare, I can tell you
the game is to make you mad. And that's very easy with me
because I'm a hothead. It probably won't work with you. You seem to have way more
emotional control than I do. But...
I, I do think, I just want to. I don't want to be mean, but I just want to say
when people have in mind when Shakespeare wrote
about lawyers and like, oh, that's a little harsh. Kill all the lawyers. What are you talking about?
He. He had Tom Claire in mind. He really is a discredit
to the profession. I can, I can say or credit To the profession...
or credit if I was legit. I mean,
the godfathers of my children are lawyers, you know, and really good. My college roommates, really good guys,
great guys, men of integrity, true integrity with
wives who respect them, kids who love them, and just good men. But... if I was a lawyer, if I was one of them,
and Tom Clare is stalking the earth, I'd be like, man, we got to disbar that guy because
he discredits the entire profession. Yeah, I mean, it's very interesting.
I, I don't know what is
guiding him at this point, but it's.
It is definitively not
Goodness, right? It's definitely not. Does he think he can win,
I know he doesn't? Because like I said, I got advice from their law firm
not to pursue a defamation claim. So you're in this, what,
to help bolster their idea to the world that they haven't done anything? When you know,
when you know that they're lying. When you know that your client is
lying and you still represent them. I, again, I don't know how people put their
head in the pillow at night. And what's interesting about me, and he'll just come up against a
rock is I have nothing to hide, right? If I had anything to hide,
you guys would have found out last year, right?
That where I went through... and...
physically felt like a, an X ray from the press as they tried
to destroy everything that I had, everything that I held dear. I mean, it was non stop. I mean, banned from Australia, demanding that my speaking events get
canceled because I'm an anti Semite, you know, fired in front of the world.
I mean, last year was really one for the books and
anything that they could find on me, they wrote articles about and
they smeared me and they libeled me and the idea was...
to kill me. It was like, you know, lay it dead. This girl should no
longer have a career... And I survived it. And I survived it because I had the one
thing that they couldn't quite kill, which is truth.
On my side. I told the truth.
Okay? So at the end of the day,
it takes so much more energy... and persistence to lie. You have to lie repeatedly. You have to keep telling the person at the shadows on the wall are real. Like, you know, and we tell the truth. You always have to say it once, and. that is true And it hangs in the air and it resonates,
and people can feel that it's real. And.
And... so they were unsuccessful in trying to destroy me, to try to destroy everything I've
ever worked for in my entire life with smears and libels and
Lies and.
So what's left? What is he gonna say to me?
Like, what are you saying to
me during a deposition? Yeah, I think that's a man. And I think that everyone around them
is way too close to pedophilia. And I think, Tom,
Clare, that you should be ashamed
of yourself and any person... that would ever launch a defense, knowing...
that children were hurt in the process. I think, you know, you.
You better hope karma's not real. Have you ever talked to Macron?
Texted? He texts people I happen to know. I wish he would text me. I'd love to speak to him. I view him as a victim, by the way.
Okay, you are a child and...
your drama teacher, whatever is. Is macking on you,
and you're 14 years old. I. I don't know what Macron
has lived through, but when you get into his backstory,
it's very weird as well. It's very weird backstory. A lot of holes in the backstory.
And he is, to me, like a Zelensky. He's totally powerless. There's somebody in the
shadows telling him what to do. One of the more fun things... learning about Macron is
the press sold him as this, like, savant,
you know, like, he's just always so brilliant,
and he was ahead of his time needed to sell this, like,
creepy relationship, you know? The 14 year old's ahead of his time. He was a man at 14 He came across like 6 year old.
I don't know what we're doing. Right.
That's weird. But what was really funny was that he then starts to work for Rothschilds Bank.
And before he went to Rothschilds bank,
he went to this school. I don't know how to give you, like,
a tit for tat with America. Let's just call it, like,
he kind of pursued his masters and nobody knew how he got into the school. He actually didn't get
into
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