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Challenging White Privilege: Kirk’s Campus Debate on Race and Success
A spirited campus exchange examines racial privilege, economic outcomes across ethnic groups, and whether America’s systems favor certain races over others.
Confronting Claims of White Privilege
“You said there’s no such thing as white privilege,” a student began.
“There is no such thing as white privilege. It’s racist and a lie,” Kirk responded firmly.
“Prove it,” the student challenged.
Kirk countered, “Asian Americans are the richest people in America per race. Indian Americans are the second richest.”
“Wealth doesn’t mean power,” the student replied.
“So do you believe in Asian American privilege?” Kirk pressed.
The student elaborated, “I believe that there are a few people of certain races who have gotten very, very wealthy based on trade, based on the economic system that we have. I also believe that as a white man, I historically have an advantage over people who are of a color that is not my skin. This is evident from the slave trade all the way up to Reconstruction and all the way up to Jim Crow.”
Historical Treatment and Success
“Did we treat Asian Americans well in the 1940s and 50s?” Kirk asked. “We sure didn’t. So then how did they overcome that?”
“They overcame that through—” the student began.
“Were they privileged having to work harder than white people?” Kirk interjected.
“Oh, so they work harder and they were rewarded for it 60 years later,” the student responded.
“How about people that work hard for 350 years?” the student continued. “Slaves.”
“What do you mean?” Kirk replied. “Do you know anyone that’s ever owned a slave?”
“Do I know anyone that’s ever owned a slave?” the student echoed. “What does that have to do with it?”
Meritocracy and Good Choices
“If you make three big choices in America, you’re guaranteed not to live in poverty,” Kirk explained. “You know what those three choices are? Get married before you have kids, get a job, and graduate high school. You know what community does that at the highest rate? Asian Americans. That’s why they’re successful. We live in a meritocracy. You make good choices, you will be rewarded for those choices irrelevant of your skin color.”
“When you say white privilege exists, Good Choice Privilege exists,” Kirk asserted.
“I think white people reap a lot of benefits,” the student countered.
“Name one benefit,” Kirk challenged.
“Police treatment,” the student offered.
“What about police treatment? That white people are more likely to be shot by a police officer than a black person’s likely to be shot by a police officer?” Kirk responded, citing “the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice independent study of 300 independent police forces across the country.”
Evidence and Counterarguments
“That’s quantifiable evidence,” Kirk continued. “If white privilege exists, why are Asian Americans and Indian Americans wealthier, have higher incomes, live in better areas on aggregate than white Americans do?”
“I don’t know. Maybe because white privilege doesn’t exist,” Kirk suggested. “Maybe skin color has nothing to do with it. Choices have everything to do with it.”
“I disagree with that,” the student replied.
“Then show me some evidence, because I just showed you some evidence it doesn’t exist,” Kirk demanded.
“What would you take as evidence?” the student asked.
“Numbers would be nice. Historical data, logic,” Kirk answered.
“Testimony?” the student suggested.
“Testimony means nothing. I don’t care about anyone’s version of truth. I care about evidence. I don’t care about feelings. I care about facts,” Kirk stated emphatically.
Discrimination and Racial Disparities
“Aren’t most of these studies based partially on testimony though?” the student questioned.
“No. When you say that Asian Americans are the richest people in America, that’s math. That’s looking at people’s income. That’s not testimony,” Kirk explained. “Testimony would be a singular person saying, ‘I’ve had a tough time.’ That might be true, but that doesn’t make it true in the aggregate.”
“Is there discrimination?” Kirk continued. “There’s discrimination against all sorts of people. Is it worse against black people, or is it equal?”
“Depends what part of the country. It depends what situation,” Kirk answered his own question. “And when that exists, there’s laws to put people in prison.”
“If you put them all together, which race faces discrimination?” the student inquired.
“I would say probably Hispanic Americans in certain parts of the country, even more so. But I have no data to support that,” Kirk admitted.
Choices and Opportunities in America
“In America, if you make a sequence of good choices, irrelevant of skin color, you will be rewarded for those choices,” Kirk emphasized. “We’re one of the only countries in the world where that is possible, where you can have intergenerational ascension, where your kids can be better than how you are today.”
“That’s like kind of a fallacy,” the student responded.
“It’s not a fallacy. That’s why Asian Americans entered in the 40s as the poorest group in America, and they’re now the richest group,” Kirk countered. “The Constitution was not written in Korean, yet they have benefited the most from what people call a white-predominant society. Indian Americans, for example, from India, are the second richest per race. Was the Constitution written in Hindi? No, that’s exactly the point.”
Challenging Systemic Racism Narratives
“The point is that people say that our society is rigged for white individuals, white men. The evidence does not suggest that,” Kirk continued. “There’s twice as many white people living in poverty today than black people. Now, the rate for poverty in the black community is much higher, but the aggregate number is something that should not be ignored. So the misconception that our country is rigged just for people based on a certain skin color has zero evidence, yet that is the predominant thing that is being taught in our university.”
“When did it stop? When did being rigged stop? Because it clearly used to be rigged. You’re saying it isn’t now,” the student questioned.
“That’s a fair point,” Kirk acknowledged. “I’d say throughout the 60s and 70s and 80s, as America got significantly less racist, as we passed the Civil Rights Act, things got more equitable in the sense where better decisions got rewarded more.”
Historical Inequities and Their Impact
“You don’t think that there could be a lag effect of 350 years of slavery and 100 years of Jim Crow?” the student asked.
“I think those inequities have been more balanced out more so than it’s even worth considering,” Kirk replied. “For example, Asian Americans built the railroad system in America in the late 1800s, early 1900s. We put Japanese Americans in internment camps in the 1940s. Jewish Americans had an extermination order against them in Europe in the 1940s. The point being is that almost every racial ethnic group has had some form of suffering. So to point to something that happened a very, very long time ago and to attribute the inequities today—”
“Wasn’t that long ago though,” the student interjected.
“When was slavery abolished?” Kirk asked.
“Slavery was abolished in 1808. The international slave trade was gotten rid of, but then we actually resorted to chattel slavery, which is where we bred them like cattle,” the student answered.
“You’re not going to hear me defend slavery for a second,” Kirk stated. “It’s one of the great sins of the American story. But you know what’s also admirable about it? How we got rid of slavery.”
“But we still have dealt with repercussions,” the student noted.
“What repercussions would that be?” Kirk asked.
Wealth Disparities and Potential Solutions
“The lack of the ability for certain people… I was down in New Orleans, right? And I see all these mansions, and it’s like those people, their old mansions, they made their money, they’re probably slave owners. Then you go into the black neighborhood—” the student explained.
“They might have been slave owners in 1865,” Kirk acknowledged.
“Accumulated wealth that can compound versus people that don’t have the opportunity,” the student continued.
“So you’re making a fair point that there might be intergenerational inequity,” Kirk conceded. “How do you go about that? Well, some people on the left would say you tax it, you take away from what people used to have. I totally and completely disagree with that.”
“What do you think then? What is your case? Do reparations then?” the student asked.
“There’s no reparations,” Kirk stated firmly. “I believe in opportunity. Instead of trying to fix the past, which will never happen, which is a horrible idea, you create a better future.”
“It’ll never happen?” the student questioned.
“No, because you know why? Any country that’s ever tried reparations has failed miserably. South Africa, for example, they’ve tried reparations the last 30 years. They’re more racially divided, on the brink of civil war, than they ever have been,” Kirk explained.
Division and Campus Policies
“You think we’re on the brink of civil war?” the student asked.
“I hope not,” Kirk responded.
“You think so?” the student pressed.
“No, I don’t think we are. But it’s people on the left that want us to be more divided than not,” Kirk claimed.
“No, I think it’s like you. You’re here trying to divide people,” the student countered.
“Hold on a second. Do you support black-only dormitories?” Kirk asked.
“Sure, you do,” Kirk continued without waiting for an answer.
“Okay, that’s resegregation. You realize that?” Kirk pointed out.
“No, I think if black people want to do that, we should allow them to because they have to face—” the student began.
“Well, then would you support white-only dormitories?” Kirk interrupted.
“No, why? Because it’s pretty much—the school is white-only, pretty much everywhere is white-only,” the student argued.
“I don’t know the demographic makeup of Oregon, but looking around, I’d say it’s a more diverse campus than just being a white-only campus,” Kirk observed.
Questioning Segregated Spaces
“So you believe in black-only graduation ceremonies at Harvard?” Kirk asked.
“If they want that, sure. Why do I care? Why does it bug me?” the student replied.
“Well, it should bug you that we’re resegregating,” Kirk stated.
“The difference—white people say black people have to be—” the student began.
“What’s the difference between a white person and a black person?” Kirk interrupted. “Tell me what’s the difference between a white person and a black person.”
“I don’t know,” the student admitted.
“There’s no difference. They’re both human beings. There’s one race: human race,” Kirk emphasized.
“They’re treated differently,” the student insisted.
“How are they treated differently? Give me one piece of evidence. What can a black person not do in America that I can do?” Kirk challenged.
“They get treated differently by the police, and I’ve seen it,” the student claimed.
“Really? Even though the data shows that a black person—” Kirk began.
“Data can be used to lie,” the student interjected.
“Matter police departments are actually capable of policing their own records,” Kirk continued. “Even though most of the inner-city police forces are black majority police forces, are they?”
“Such as?” the student asked.
“Philadelphia. Philadelphia is a 44% black city with a 56% black police force,” Kirk stated.
Race and Identity Politics
“It actually gives me happiness that—because I care about all people, and I don’t look at people based on race like you,” Kirk said.
“So you’re post-racial?” the student asked.
“Absolutely,” Kirk confirmed.
“You’re the one that wants black-only graduation ceremonies and black-only dormitories,” Kirk pointed out.
“I’m not okay with that,” the student denied.
“Yeah, we desegregated America. We—” Kirk began.
“Because that argument works for you,” the student interrupted. “And it’s not desegregated. There’s still a lot of problems.”
“But the problems are not based on race,” Kirk insisted.
“Yeah, they are,” the student countered.
“Name racial problems in America. You have yet to give me any evidence or data or one piece—” Kirk challenged.
Individual vs. Systemic Racism
“You believe that there are any racial problems?” the student asked.
“Individually, absolutely. Are there individual people that are racist? 100%,” Kirk acknowledged.
“Do you believe that there are—” the student began.
“President Trump is one of the least racist people in America,” Kirk interjected.
“No. Give me one evidence that he’s racist,” Kirk challenged when the student appeared to disagree.
“How about he got caught discriminating against giving out—” the student started.
“Completely, total false. Not true whatsoever,” Kirk interrupted. “Would a racist president such as President Donald Trump put a black woman as the first Army Sergeant ever in United States Army?”
“I’m racist, have a black—the first Army Sergeant, the first Army Sergeant ever in the history of the U.S. Army,” Kirk continued.
“That’s not true,” the student contended.
“The first woman Battalion Commander. You can look it up, confirmed by the United States Senate. The first black woman confirmed by the United States Senate in a position of the United States Army ever,” Kirk clarified.
Defining Racism and Personal Accusations
“Here’s a very simple question for you: At what point does someone stop being a racist in your mind?” Kirk asked.
“I haven’t thought about it,” the student admitted.
“You haven’t thought about it? Yet you’re quick to label, but you’re not quick to retract or have a line in your head. That’s pretty dangerous, isn’t it?” Kirk pointed out.
“When they die,” the student replied.
“When they die? That’s pretty sinister. Do you think I’m a racist?” Kirk asked.
“Yeah,” the student affirmed.
“Are you a racist?” Kirk countered.
“Hold on a second. He thinks I’m a racist. Why would you say I’m a racist?” Kirk pressed.
“Just the stuff you’re saying,” the student responded vaguely.
“Name one thing I’ve said that’s ever racist,” Kirk demanded.
“Whatever. I’m not going to play that game with you,” the student concluded, ending the debate.
Video Transcript
[00:00] yeah you said there's no such thing as
[00:01] white privilege there is no such thing
[00:03] as white privilege it's racist and a lie
[00:05] prove it prove it prove
[00:07] ites why an Asian Americans are the
[00:12] richest people in America you made a
[00:14] claim asian-americans are the richest
[00:16] people in America per race
[00:17] indian-americans are the second richest
[00:20] okay wealth doesn't mean power so so so
[00:23] do you believe in Asian-American
[00:24] privilege hey wealth doesn't mean power
[00:26] and privilege do you believe in
[00:28] Asian-American privilege believe that
[00:31] there is a that there are a few people
[00:35] of certain races who have gotten very
[00:39] very wealthy based on trade based
[00:45] on well the economic system that we have
[00:49] um I also believe that as a white
[00:53] man I
[00:55] historically have an advantage over
[00:58] people who are of a color that is not my
[01:03] skin this can be this is evident from
[01:07] the from the slave train all the way up
[01:11] to reconstruction and all the way up to
[01:13] gy
[01:14] Pro I I assume based on your facial
[01:17] expression that you have a report I'm
[01:20] going to go ahead and let you make so
[01:21] did we treat asian-americans well in the
[01:23] 1940s and 50s we sure didn't so then how
[01:26] did they overcome that they overcame
[01:29] that through
[01:31] were they privileged having to work
[01:33] harder than white people oh so they work
[01:35] harder and they were rewarded for it 60
[01:37] years
[01:38] later how about people that work hard
[01:40] for 350
[01:44] years slaves yeah slaves what what do
[01:48] you mean do you know anyone that's ever
[01:49] owned a
[01:51] slave do I know anyone that's ever owned
[01:53] a slave yes does has a lot to do with it
[01:57] what does that have to do with like
[01:58] because if you make three if you make
[01:59] three big choices in America you're
[02:00] guaranteed not to live in poverty you
[02:02] know what those three choices are get
[02:04] married get get married before you have
[02:06] kids get a job and graduate high school
[02:08] you know what community does that at the
[02:10] highest rate asian-americans that's why
[02:12] they're successful we live in a
[02:13] meritocracy you make good choices you
[02:15] will be rewarded for those choices
[02:17] irrelevant of your skin color when you
[02:19] say White Privilege exists Good Choice
[02:21] Privilege exists yeah but I think uh
[02:24] white people reap a lot of benefits name
[02:26] one benefit that white people that they
[02:28] they benefit from this
[02:30] despite treatment what police treatment
[02:33] what about police treatment that that
[02:35] that white people are more likely to be
[02:36] shot by a police officer than a black
[02:38] person's likely to be shot by a police
[02:39] officer from the federal Bure of
[02:41] investigation and Department of Justice
[02:43] independent study of 300 independent
[02:44] police forces across
[02:46] the facts must bother leftist because
[02:48] they always walk away as soon as
[02:52] you ton of leftists here who are still
[02:55] standing here well I've already made a
[02:57] couple but I'm happy to oh you made a
[02:59] that's great let's get
[03:02] back that's quantifiable evidence if
[03:04] White Privilege exists why are
[03:06] asian-americans and Indian Americans
[03:08] wealthier have higher incomes live in
[03:11] better areas on aggregate than white
[03:13] Americans do I don't know maybe because
[03:16] White Privilege doesn't exist maybe or
[03:19] maybe maybe it doesn't okay may maybe
[03:21] skin color has nothing to do with it
[03:23] choices have everything to do with it I
[03:25] disagree with that then show me some
[03:27] evidence because I just showed you some
[03:29] evidence it doesn't exist what would you
[03:31] take as evidence what count something
[03:33] that I just said for example that the
[03:35] wealthiest people in America numbers
[03:37] would be nice historical data logic
[03:40] testimony no testimony means nothing I
[03:43] don't care about anyone's version of
[03:45] truth I care about evidence I don't care
[03:47] about feelings I care about facts AR
[03:49] aren't most of these studies based on
[03:52] partially based on testimony though no
[03:54] when you say that asian-americans are
[03:55] the richest people in America that's
[03:57] math that's looking at people's income
[04:00] that's not
[04:01] testimony testimony would be a singular
[04:04] person saying I've had a tough time that
[04:07] would be testimony which that might be
[04:09] true but that doesn't make it true in
[04:10] the aggre I'm sorry is there
[04:13] discrimination there's discrimination
[04:14] against all sorts of people yeah is it
[04:16] worse against black people or is it
[04:17] equal depends what part of the country
[04:18] it depends what situation and when that
[04:20] exists there's laws to put people in
[04:22] prison if you put them all together
[04:24] which race Bas
[04:27] discrimination I would say probably
[04:28] Hispanic Americans in certain parts of
[04:30] the country even more so but but I have
[04:32] no data to support that you ask me some
[04:34] anecdotal question I haven't done that
[04:36] much thinking about it but I'll say this
[04:39] in
[04:40] America if you make a sequence of good
[04:42] choices irrelevant of skin color you
[04:44] will be rewarded for those choices we're
[04:46] one of the only countries in the world
[04:47] where that is possible where you can
[04:49] have intergenerational Ascension where
[04:52] your kids can be better than how you are
[04:54] today that's like kind of a fallacy it's
[04:57] not a fallacy that's why Asian
[05:00] that's why Asian amans entered in the40s
[05:03] as the poorest group in America and
[05:04] they're now the richest group The
[05:06] constition was not written in Korean yet
[05:09] they they have benefited the most from
[05:10] what people call a white predominant
[05:13] Society indian-americans for example
[05:15] from India are the second richest per
[05:18] race was the contitution written in
[05:20] Hindi no that's exactly the point oh
[05:23] okay got you the point is that people
[05:25] say that our society is rigged for white
[05:28] individuals white men the evidence does
[05:31] not suggest that there's twice as many
[05:33] white people living in poverty today
[05:35] than black people now the rate for
[05:36] poverty in the black community is much
[05:38] higher but the aggregate number is some
[05:40] that should not be ignored so that the
[05:42] misconception that our country is rigged
[05:44] Just For People based on a certain skin
[05:46] color has zero evidence yet that is the
[05:49] predominant thing that is being taught
[05:50] in our University why did it stop what
[05:53] do you mean when did that when did be
[05:56] rigged because it clearly used to be
[05:58] rigged you're saying it isn't now that's
[06:01] a fair point I'd say throughout the 60s
[06:03] and 70s and ' 80s as America got
[06:05] significantly less racist as we passed
[06:07] the Civil Rights Act things got more
[06:10] Equitable in the sense where better
[06:12] decisions got rewarded more and you
[06:15] don't think that there could be a lag
[06:16] effect of 350 years of slavery in 100
[06:19] Years of Jim Pro I think those
[06:21] inequities have been more balanced out
[06:24] more so than it's even worth considering
[06:27] that that 350 years of inequity for
[06:28] example asian-americans built the the
[06:31] railroad system in America in the late
[06:33] 19 in the late uh 1800s early 1900s in
[06:36] America we put Japanese Americans in
[06:39] internment camps in the
[06:42] 1940s Jewish Americans had an
[06:44] extermination order against them in
[06:46] Europe in the 1940s the point being is
[06:49] that right so almost every racial ethnic
[06:52] group has had some form of
[06:54] suffering so to point to something that
[06:56] happened a very very long time ago and
[06:58] to attribute the inequities today wasn't
[07:01] that long ago though when was when was
[07:02] slavery abolished slavery was abolished
[07:05] in 1808 the international slave trade
[07:09] was uh was uh was gotten rid of but then
[07:12] we actually resorted to Chad slavery
[07:16] which is where we bred them uh like
[07:18] cattle you're not going to hear me
[07:19] defend slavery for a second I
[07:22] mean one of great sins of the americ
[07:24] it's one of the great sins of the
[07:26] American story but you know what's also
[07:27] admirable about it how we got rid of
[07:30] slavery admirable about slavery no no
[07:32] what's admirable about our history not
[07:34] about sler okay thank you but we still
[07:36] have dealt with like repercussions what
[07:39] what repercussions would that me the
[07:40] lack of the ability for certain people
[07:42] people well such as who I don't know
[07:45] like I was down in New Orleans right and
[07:46] I see all these mansions and it's like
[07:48] those people their old Mansions they
[07:50] made their money they're probably slave
[07:51] owners then you go into the black
[07:53] neighborhood and SL they might have been
[07:54] slave owners in
[07:56] 1865 accumulated wealth that can
[07:58] compound
[07:59] versus people that don't have the
[08:01] opportunity okay so you're you're making
[08:03] a fair point that there might be
[08:05] intergen intergenerational inequity how
[08:07] do you go about that well some people on
[08:09] the left would say you tax it you take
[08:12] away from what people used to have I
[08:14] totally and completely disagree with
[08:15] that what do you think then what is your
[08:17] case do reparations then there's no
[08:19] reparations I believe an opportunity
[08:21] instead of trying to fix the past which
[08:23] will never happen which is a horrible
[08:25] idea you create a better future it'll
[08:27] never happen no cuz you know why any
[08:29] country that's ever tried reparations
[08:31] has failed miserably South Africa for
[08:32] example they've tried reparations the
[08:34] last 30 years they're more racially
[08:36] divided on the brink of Civil War than
[08:37] they ever have been you think we're on
[08:39] the brink of the Civil War I hope not
[08:40] you think so no I said I hope not but I
[08:42] asked if you think so no I don't think
[08:44] we are but it's people on the left that
[08:46] want us to be more divided than not no I
[08:48] think it's like you you're here trying
[08:49] to divide people hold on a second do you
[08:51] support black only
[08:53] dormitories sure you do okay that's re
[08:56] segregation you realize that no I think
[08:58] if black people want to do that we
[08:59] should allow them to because they have
[09:01] to face well then would you support
[09:02] white only dormitor no why cuz it's a
[09:05] pretty much the school is white only
[09:07] pretty much every is wide open I don't
[09:10] know the demographic makeup of Oregon
[09:12] but I would looking around I'd say it's
[09:13] a more diverse campus than just being a
[09:16] white only campus black people want yeah
[09:19] so you believe in black only graduation
[09:21] ceremonies at Harvard if they want that
[09:23] sure why do I care why does it bug me
[09:26] well it should bug you that re
[09:27] segregating
[09:31] the difference white people say black
[09:33] people have to be what's the difference
[09:35] a skin color what's the difference
[09:36] between a white person and a black
[09:37] person tell you tell me what's the
[09:38] difference between a white person and a
[09:39] black person I don't know there's no
[09:41] difference they're both human beings
[09:42] there One race human race differently
[09:46] how are they treated differently give me
[09:47] one piece of evidence what can a black
[09:48] person not do in America that I can do
[09:50] they get treated differently by the
[09:51] police and I've seen it really yeah even
[09:54] though the data shows that a black
[09:56] person data can be used to lie
[09:59] matter police departments are actually
[10:01] capable of policing their own records so
[10:04] the the ability even though most of the
[10:06] inner city police forces are black
[10:08] majority police forces are they such as
[10:11] Philadelphia Philadelphia is a 44% black
[10:13] city with a 56% black police force bu
[10:16] you no it actually gives me happiness
[10:20] that yeah cuz I I I care about all
[10:23] people and I don't look at people on
[10:24] based on race like you so you're
[10:26] postracial absolutely cuz it does not
[10:29] you're the one that wants black only
[10:31] graduation ceremonies and black only
[10:33] dormitories what you're okay with them
[10:35] I'm not okay with that yeah we
[10:37] segregated America we we because that
[10:39] argument works for you and it's not
[10:41] desegregated there's still a lot of
[10:43] problems and like to say that people
[10:45] want to have but the problems are not
[10:47] based on race yeah they are of racial
[10:51] problems in America you have yet to give
[10:52] me any evidence or data or one piece you
[10:55] believe that there are any racial
[10:56] problems individually absolutely are
[10:58] there indiv usually committed people
[11:00] that are racist 100% do you believe that
[11:02] there are Sy president Trump is one of
[11:04] the least racist people in America do
[11:06] you
[11:07] believe no give me one give me one
[11:09] evidence that he's racist how about he
[11:11] got caught discriminating against giving
[11:14] out uh complet total false not true
[11:16] whatsoever you not wait no would a
[11:20] racist president such as president
[11:21] Donald Trump put a black woman as the
[11:24] first Army Sergeant ever in United
[11:26] States Army I'm racist have a black the
[11:29] first Army Sergeant the first Army
[11:32] Sergeant ever in the history of of the
[11:34] US Army that that's not true the first
[11:37] woman Battalion Commander you can look
[11:38] it up confirmed by the United States
[11:40] Senate the first black woman confirmed
[11:43] by the United States Senate in a
[11:44] position of the United States Army ever
[11:46] here's a very simple question for you at
[11:48] what point does someone stop being a
[11:49] racist in your mind I haven't thought
[11:51] about it you haven't thought about yet
[11:52] you're quick delayable but you're not
[11:53] quick to retract or have a line in your
[11:55] head that's pretty dangerous isn't it
[11:56] when they die when they die that's
[11:59] pretty Sinister do you think I'm a
[12:01] racist yeah are you a racist hold on a
[12:03] second he thinks I'm a racist why would
[12:05] you say I'm a racist just the stuff
[12:07] you're saying name one thing up said
[12:09] that's ever racist whatever I'm not
[12:10] going to play that game with you
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