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Charlie Kirk Assassin Tyler James Robinson Moves to Disqualify All Utah County Prosecutors Over Conflict of Interest
Tyler James Robinson, charged with the murder of Charlie Kirk, filed a motion to disqualify the entire Utah County Attorney's Office from prosecuting his death penalty case. Robinson's defense argues that a prosecutor whose daughter witnessed the shooting has a conflict of interest that compromises the case. The motion reveals how the prosecutor's daughter, present among 3,000 attendees when Kirk was shot, provided real-time text messages to her father describing the chaos and carnage. Defense attorneys claim this personal connection influenced critical decisions, including the rushed filing for the death penalty just days after the shooting, and that the entire office should be removed from the case.
Defense Files Motion to Disqualify Entire Prosecutor's Office
Tyler James Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk, filed a motion seeking to disqualify the entire Utah County District Attorney's Office from his death penalty case. Robinson's defense team argues that a significant conflict of interest exists because one of the prosecutors has a family member who witnessed the shooting firsthand.
The motion states that a prosecutor on the case, whose identity is partially redacted in court documents, had a daughter present at the September 10th event where Kirk was killed. The prosecutor's daughter was among approximately 3,000 students and observers who witnessed the chaotic scene when Kirk was shot during a Turning Point USA presentation.
According to the defense filing, once the prosecutor learned of his daughter's involvement as a witness, the Utah County Attorney's Office failed to implement any screening protocol. Instead, information about the prosecutor's personal connection was shared among the entire prosecutorial team, including Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray.
Prosecutor's Daughter Provided Real-Time Evidence
The motion reveals detailed text message exchanges between the prosecutor and his daughter immediately following the shooting. At 12:23 PM, Charlie Kirk was shot. Just two minutes later, at 12:25 PM, the prosecutor's daughter texted her family group: "Someone got shot." Almost immediately afterward, she texted again: "I'm okay. Everyone is going inside."
At 12:30 PM, she sent another message to the family text group: "People say he was shot in the neck and his head like tilted or something." When her father asked if she heard a gunshot, she responded: "I for sure heard it. Everyone started screaming and running. A few people said they saw the shot hit his neck."
The defense argues this communication represents firsthand eyewitness evidence being provided directly to a prosecutor who would later make critical decisions about Robinson's case, including whether to seek the death penalty.
Prosecutor Investigated His Own Daughter's Position at Crime Scene
The motion further alleges that the prosecutor took actions that demonstrated his personal investment in the case. At the prosecutor's request, he and an investigator traveled to the campus to determine the exact distance his daughter was from Kirk when he was shot. They measured that she was approximately 85 feet north of where Charlie Kirk was seated.
The prosecutor also noted that his daughter's backpack was left in the amphitheater as she fled the scene in panic. He later provided photographs showing his daughter's bag at the crime scene and directed law enforcement to collect measurements related to her location.
Defense attorneys argue these actions show the prosecutor was acting on behalf of his traumatized daughter rather than solely representing the interests of the State of Utah.
Death Penalty Notice Filed Days After Prosecutor's Daughter Witnessed Shooting
Robinson's defense team points to the timing of the death penalty filing as evidence of improper influence. Less than one week after the prosecutor received communications from his daughter while she was at the Turning Point USA event, Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray filed a notice seeking the death penalty against Robinson.
The defense notes this notice was filed unusually quickly, as Utah law does not require such a filing until 60 days after arraignment. The defense argues the rushed timeline suggests the prosecutor's emotional reaction to his daughter's trauma influenced the decision to seek execution.
On September 16th, Robinson was charged with seven counts of aggravated murder. The aggravating circumstance cited was that Robinson knowingly created a great risk of death to individuals other than Charlie Kirk. The defense questions whether the prosecutor's daughter is among those individuals supporting the aggravated charges.
Witness Statements Reveal Traumatic Scene
The motion includes numerous witness statements collected by law enforcement that paint a harrowing picture of the events. Multiple witnesses described seeing blood gushing from Kirk's neck "like a fountain" after hearing what sounded like a firecracker or balloon pop.
One witness located 40 to 50 feet from the booth stated: "I saw Charlie go lifeless and kind of slouch back to his left and I saw a stream of blood come out of the left side of his neck. Everyone kind of froze for .1 seconds. Then my cousin in front of me told me to get down. I got down. Made myself as small as possible. I was waiting for more shots because I thought it was a mass shooting."
Another witness described: "We were in shock in the crowd because there was so much blood. I was pulled to the ground and started praying. I thought I was about to die. I was on the ground wondering when the bullet was going to hit my back. I thought I was about to meet God. So I was praying, repenting."
The defense emphasizes that even those not directly viewing the shooting experienced significant trauma, including students locked down in classrooms who suffered panic attacks.
Defense Argues Entire Office Must Be Removed
Robinson's attorneys argue that the prosecutor's conflict requires not just his individual disqualification, but removal of the entire Utah County Attorney's Office from the case. They cite that the prosecutor holds a supervisory role, likely as a deputy county attorney, and has discussed his daughter's presence and the potential conflict with the entire prosecution team.
The motion states: "Mr. Prosecutor cannot serve two masters and should not be permitted to do so. He's like fighting for justice for his daughter or is he fighting for justice on his county, right? Is he representing Utah?"
Defense attorneys argue there is no way to predict what decisions may be required going forward and how the prosecutor's connection through his traumatized daughter might impact the case. They suggest these influences may be subtle, such as the prosecutor being less inclined to believe witnesses whose observations are inconsistent with his daughter's account, or making strategic decisions to avoid his daughter having to testify even if it would be in Utah's best interest.
Legal Arguments Based on Conflict of Interest Precedent
The defense cites Utah law and case precedent establishing that attorneys serving as public prosecutors must act on behalf of the state and cannot represent a client if a conflict of interest exists. They argue that public officers prosecuting defendants while laboring under a personal conflict endangers the due process rights of defendants.
The motion references multiple cases where courts found that personal relationships between prosecutors and victims or witnesses raised constitutional questions. In several cited cases, entire county prosecutor offices were disqualified when conflicts of interest created an appearance of impropriety.
The defense acknowledges there is no Utah case factually identical to this situation, where a prosecutor is the father of a witness to a homicide at a crowded event where everyone experienced trauma. However, they argue the same principles should apply, and prejudice to Robinson should be presumed unless the state can rebut it.
No Screening Protocol Implemented
A key argument in the motion is that upon learning of the conflict, the Utah County Attorney's Office made no effort to implement screening protocols that might mitigate the prejudice. The conflicted prosecutor remains on the team, and information about his experience and his daughter's experience has been shared throughout the office.
The prosecutor himself stated to the defense that his daughter will not be a witness and that he does not believe the circumstance presents a conflict. However, the defense argues the prosecutor cannot make this determination himself, and it is not practical to expect him to separate his natural instinct to protect his daughter from his role in prosecuting the individual who may have caused her harm.
AmericaFest Remembers Charlie Kirk
The motion filing comes as Turning Point USA held a successful AmericaFest event in Phoenix. Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna spoke at the event, sharing remarks about unity in the face of tragedy.
Luna stated: "You may not like Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro or Steve Bannon or me, but guess what? If the radical left wins, you, us, and them, we all hang together. We can duke it out on stage, but remember the fight ahead because we are all in this fight together and we have crossed this Rubicon and it's important to remember who the real enemy is and that is the radical left that killed my friend Charlie Kirk."
Upcoming Court Hearings
The court has scheduled multiple hearings to address the various motions in Robinson's case. A WebEx hearing is set for December 29th where a ruling may be issued. Additional hearings are scheduled for January 16th, February 3rd, and May 18th through 21st, with the May dates likely designated for a preliminary hearing.
The defense has requested oral arguments to debate the disqualification motion in January at the next hearing. The prosecution will have an opportunity to respond to the motion, likely arguing there is no actual conflict, no impropriety, and that the prosecutor is permitted to continue under Utah law.
The judge will ultimately decide whether the conflict of interest is substantial enough to warrant removal of individual prosecutors or the entire Utah County Attorney's Office from this death penalty case. The case continues to develop as both sides prepare for what promises to be an extensive legal battle.
Video Transcript
was the blankety blank blank of Mr. Blank was the son, daughter, daughter-in-law, stepson, stepdaughter. Like, why is that so long? So, the risk is substantial. Mr. Prosecutor has a conflict of interest and he must be disqualified. But it's not just him. The entire prosecutor's office should be disqualified >> because we are all in this fight together and [music] we have crossed this Rubicon. And it's important to remember who the real enemy is, and that is the radical left that killed my friend Charlie Kirk. >> The Charlie Kirk assassin, Tyler James Robinson, is now moving to disqualify the entire Utah County District's attorney's office, saying no prosecutors from that prosecutor's office can touch this case because there is a major conflict of interest that would make it look like there's an appearance of impropriy that would bias the case and cannot result in a conviction. And here's what they're saying. They write, "All right, court. We now ask that the entire Utah County Attorney's Office be disqualified. There's a conflict of interest and we want to have oral arguments and debate about this in January at the next hearing." Here's what's going on. They say the Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson, he's now here seeking an order of this court finding that something redacted redacted redacted representing the state of Utah in this death penalty case has a concurrent conflict of interest based upon personal connections to a witness or victim at the events. So some prosecutor who's on the case has a victim or a witness who was there. So further we also want a finding that from this court that one upon learning of this conflict the Utah prosecutors did not employ any screening protocol. So they say okay this person like had a son or a daughter or somebody who was there or witnessed this and once it was discovered they didn't do anything about it. Any information pertaining to the personal involvement of Mr. Blank was shared amongst the prosecutorial team. So maybe there was a person there who saw it and then told their father about it mister including the county attorney. So based upon these findings and in the interest of protecting Tyler Robinson, the alleged assassin, we think that the entire prosecutor's office should be disqualified. All right, let's see what happened. On September 10th, Charlie Kirk was murdered. He was there in Utah. He was participating at a presentation. At 12:23, Charlie was shot and killed. It has been estimated that approximately 3,000 students and other observers were there. And of course, the scene was chaotic for many in attendance and life-changing for many. Didn't even have to be in attendance. And it was a life-changing thing. Now, one witness described hearing the shot, seeing Mr. Kirk and observed that the crowd all collectively dropped to the ground. "We saw it on video." After a few moments, the crowd collectively got up in unison and started to panic and run as he and his friends reached their vehicle to leave. "They all were hysterical," said somebody. Another witness who was 40 to 50 ft away from the booth described seeing the shooting and her cousin getting in front of her. The witness got down on the ground trying to make herself as small as possible. She thought more shots were coming and it was going to be a mass shooting. She and her cousin sprinted to the nearest building. She grabbed the nearest trash can and threw up. She said it was traumatic. She can't stop replaying it in her mind. Another witness offered, "The atmosphere was pure panic. I was scared for my life, obviously." Now, another witness said, "Right away, everyone was on the ground trying to protect themselves from the possibility of more shots." I remember thinking, "I could not get low enough and I was instantly scared. I struggled to text my mom that I was safe. My hands were shaking." Another witness said, "We were in shock in the crowd because there was so much blood. I was pulled to the ground and started praying. I thought I was about to die. I was on the ground wondering when the bullet was going to hit my back. I was so terrified that they wouldn't find the shooter and he'd start aiming at us. Now, even those, this is Tyler Robinson's defense, who were present on campus, but did not see the shooting themselves were impacted and significantly traumatized. Students were locked down in classrooms, experienced panic attacks, and experienced a traumatic aftermath comparable to those of direct observers. And there's some Tik Tok screenshots down in the exhibits that we'll look at. On September 16th, Robinson was charged seven counts aggravated murder. Now, the aggravated circumstance for his counts was that he knowingly did it created a great risk of death to another individual other than Charlie Kirk. That's what they say was aggravating. But who is the other individual supporting the aggravation? Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray gave an hour-long press conference explaining that they're going to seek the death penalty against them. and redacted and redacted so and so and so and so maybe that's two people one person and other members of the prosecution team were there during that conference Mr. Gray said I also want to express my concern for everyone who was there and impacted now unfortunately one of the students in attendance at the Charlie Kirk event on September 10th when he was murdered was the blankety blank blank of Mr. Blank was the son, daughter, daughter-in-law, stepson, stepdaughter. Like, why is that so long? At the time of the shooting, Mr. Blank was the Utah County attorney, was with them at the presentation. Mr. Soandso began receiving text messages from his daughter and shared those with Mr. Gray in real time. Now, Mr. Soandso also called another attorney at the prosecutor's office, almost immediately, told him about the shooting, and shared his probably daughter's text with him. Mr. prosecutor has described the text message exchange as follows, saying, "Charlie Kirk was shot at 12:23 and at 12:25, Blank texted my family text group. Someone got shot." And almost immediately afterward, Blank texted the same group, "I'm okay. Everyone is going inside." Then another text came in. Charlie got shot at 12:30. Probably daughter texted the same group. People say he was shot in the neck and his head like tilted or something. Then I texted my probably daughter. Did you hear a gunshot or what sounded like a gunshot? I for sure heard it, she said. Everyone started screaming and running. A few people said they saw the shot hit his neck. Not sure. So that's prosecutors probably kid responding to a prosecutor with evidence like firsthand eyewitness evidence. Back to dad. So Mr. Soandso believes that he discussed his daughter's presence at the event with others at the time. He also discussed the exchange and potential conflict issue with the entire prosecution team before they told us about it. Mr. Prosecutor holds a supervisory role at this office as the blank under Mr. Gray. So he's probably a deputy, probably one of these two. Deputy County Attorney Chad or Deputy County Attorney probably Chris, probably one of their daughters. All right. So at the request of Mr. Prosecutor, he and another investigator went to the campus to determine the exact distance his blank was from Kirk, his daughter. His daughter was approximately 85 ft north of where Charlie was seated when he was shot. His daughter's backpack was left in the amphitheater as she fled the scene. Mr. Prosecutor disclosed this information by email to the defense on October 1st. They said, "Uh-oh." Defense attorney, Mr. Blank, and another prosecution team member, Christopher Ballard. All right. So, there we go. So, now we know it's very likely Grunander, probably Chad Grunander's daughter based on process of elimination. They spoke about this issue and concerning communications. Now, Mr. The prosecutor has also stated to the defense that his daughter will not be a witness and that he does not believe that this circumstance is a conflict. Now, Mr. So and so, somebody else with a much longer name, provided the same information to the State Bureau of Investigations. So, another prosecutor went and told them and or somebody else, I don't know who that is, maybe not a prosecutor. So, sounds like prosecutor had a daughter there. They're saying you actually used your daughter's evidence in the prosecution against our client. Therefore, you're conflicted off. You told all of the other prosecutors about what you discovered, therefore the entire prosecutor's office is conflicted off. They say Mr. Prosecutor requires his disqualification. His familial relationship with a witness presents a concurrent conflict of interest and disqualifies him from being on this case. Robinson's due process rights require he be removed. Here's why. Under Utah law, attorneys who serve as public prosecutors shall act on behalf of the state, not acting on behalf of their kids. Like all Utah lawyers, those serving as public prosecutors or employees shall not represent somebody if there's a conflict of interest and more case law being cited. Now, public officers prosecuting defendants while laboring under a personal conflict endangers the due process rights of the defendants. Now, as stated by the US Supreme Court, if you inject a personal interest or other thing into it, it raises constitutional questions. And so, that's what's happening here. In this case, Robinson's defense says the personal relationship between blank Mr. Prosecutor and his daughter, a potential witness and victim, raises serious concerns about past and future prosecutorial decision-makings in this case. Mr. Prosecutor cannot serve two masters and should not be permitted to do so. So, he's like fighting for justice for his daughter or is he fighting for justice on his county, right? Is he representing Utah? So, Mr. Prosecutor's integrity is not in question and his opinion that there is no conflict is not dispositive. He can't decide that. Rather, his daughter's experience raises an objective question as to whether or not the circumstances present a significant risk. That his family interests may limit his ability to represent Utah. He might have an axe to grind. Now, in assessing this irreconcilable conflict, the court should consider what has already happened. The production of discovery in this case is only recently begun. There is no way to say with absolute certainty that Mr. Blank's daughter will not be a witness in this case. So, the defense is not in a position to make this assessment, and we shouldn't be required to do so. Now similarly expecting him to separate his role as a blank father dad with a wholly natural instinct to protect and shield his daughter his child from past and future harm from his role in the prosecution of an individual that may have caused harm to many including his daughter is not practical and defies common sense as described by witnesses on campus below. The aftermath was harrowing even for those who did not see it. Mr. Blank and his daughter are not immune from this trauma. There may have been fear, anxiety, and anger, and other emotions. And so, it's unfair for him to be prosecuted by somebody whose daughter is traumatized. Now, there is no way to predict at this time, writes the defense, what decisions may be required, and how his impact with his daughter might impact the case. These influences may be subtle. For example, Mr. Prosecutor may be less inclined to believe a witness whose observations are not consistent with his daughters. Or like some witness says, "Well, actually, I saw the shooter was over here." Daughter says, "No, I think it's over here." He's going to weigh in favor of his daughter, so they say. Or he may make specific strategic decisions to avoid his daughter having to testify even if it is in the best interest of Utah. He is empowered by the legislature to make commitments and he can't wield these powers in bias of his daughter. So the risk that his personal involvement may limit his ability is important since they're seeking the death penalty less than one week after his communications with his daughter while she was at turning point. events were provided to the county attorney and the entire team, including when this guy filed a notice of the death penalty. Such notice is not required to be filed until 60 days after the arraignment. So, he was rushing. It seems like the guy who said, "We want the death penalty." Had the daughter who was there. Oh, that's why they want the death penalty because of his emotional reactions. His daughter's so upset. He's like, "Don't worry, honey. We're going to execute this guy." So, the risk is substantial. Mr. Prosecutor has a conflict of interest and he must be disqualified. But it's not just him. The entire prosecutor's office should be disqualified. When disqualification is appropriate, you normally go after one prosecutor. But in this case, we want the whole office. Here, he told everybody about what his daughter told him. In fact, in another case called Mlen, they said this. The entire county in that case was disqualified. Also, in another case called state versus Balffor, another conflict, there was an appearance of impropriy. That case had to go too. Now, there is no Utah case that is factually analogous to the circumstances here. The prosecutor being the father of a witness to a homicide at a crowded event. Everyone experienced the traumatic experience. But the same court principles in the prior cases should also apply here where the prosecutor has a personal conflict of interest. Prejudice to the defense, in this case Robinson, should be presumed unless the state can rebut it. Now, can the entire county rebut this? There's already been significant communication between the prosecutor and the entire team, including the main county attorney, the head guy for the whole county, like the big Fanny out there in Utah, and potentially others in that office who are not on the team about his experience and his daughter's experience. It also appears that no effort has been made by Utah to mitigate the prejudice from his conflict. He's still on the team. So therefore, the entire county, everybody on this case should be booted off the case. every single prosecutor, hand the case over to somebody else, probably a much smaller county, maybe not as many resources, so strategically it would be a nice win for them. Now, cases from other jurisdictions are instructive. In another California case, they came up with a ruling as well. The court set over there of the thing, and it's similar here. The supervisory nature of this guy's position is probably the deputy county attorney contributes to the need to disqualify the entire office. In another case in Tennessee, they also booted an entire county off citing a bunch of case law from Tennessee. So what we need here is a fair trial. The perception of a fair trial is critical in any case and nowhere more than here. Robinson's life is in the balance. The rigors of the eth amendment, cruel and unusual punishment. The Utah Constitution demanding exacting scrutiny is tasked with enforcing the law. So we demand now the entire county be booted. Based on the foregoing, we want you to find that this prosecutor has a conflict of interest, must be disqualified, and the entire Utah County Attorney's Office has made no effort to shield their prosecution. So, they all have to go to man signed by all of the defense attorneys here for Tyler James Robinson, the alleged Charlie Kirk assassin. But there were some additional exhibits that you see they attached, and they're trying here to show how chaotic and traumatic it actually was to beef up the impact of the daughter's statements to the dad prosecutor. You can see here Brian Schultz is the name of the officer who was collecting witness statements after the scene and these were taken this one 9:25. Okay, so sometime after Kirk was murdered here they went they talked to this person name all redacted about 10 in the morning. They say you want to give us a statement you were there says yeah prior to arriving at the campus I dropped off my son and my in-laws to babysit him. My friends blank and blank picked me up then we headed down to the Kirk event. We parked, walked around the place and the location where the event was being held. We got to the event area, made our way down to the front row in the corner of the barricade. So, we were right in the front row on the left if you're facing the booth. We arrived around 11:15 at that location. I actually just checked my call records because we got there at 11:04. I was on the phone with my other friend blank who was already there. We were trying to find him. He was in the front row right in the center. between them and the shooting. We were just killing time chatting and playing on our phones. After a while, things were starting to ramp up as the crowd got there. First glimpse of Charlie as he walking down, pictures by the turning point and the team by the water fountain. They were taking the pictures by the fountain. So, at my angle, I was able to see him through the tunnel. As he approached with his team, I took a video of him walking up and starting to throw out hats into the crowd. Before Charlie spoke, a spokesperson from TurningPoint team talked on the mic for a bit. Then a sponsor for the event came out talking about student loan aid. Then Charlie sat down, acknowledged the crowd, thanked everyone for coming. Charlie said, "Let's get started." First person went up, asked him a question about the LDS church having more evidence than any other Christian church. They debated for a bit and the crowd was getting tired of that guy who asked that question, so they moved on. The second person asked another question. His question was along the lines of, "Should trans people get their gun rights taken away?" Because apparently the last couple of shootings in the US were from trans and now furries. Charlie asked a brief clarifying question. The guy answered, then Charlie got out about two or three words when the shot went off. My eyes flicked back behind me and to the right slightly. So I was looking over my right shoulder. It sounded like it came from the very back of that area he's on the left we were in. It sounded like it came from an elevated position. Definitely sounded like it came from up high, not ground level. After my eyes flicked into that direction, not even a second later, I looking back at Charlie, that's when I saw the blood coming out. Man, rest in peace, Charlie. Like a fountain coming out of his neck. I saw him slump back in his chair, his head bobbed down to what would have been his right. And that was the last look at Charlie I got as the crowd collectively dropped to the ground. On the ground, it was silent for a few moments. It seemed like the crowd was waiting for the shooter to magically be put in handcuffs and it felt like everyone was waiting for the coast to be clear. Then everyone immediately realizing that probably isn't going to happen collectively got up in unison and started to panic and run. I knew me and my friends may get separated, but I felt like we all knew to just get to the back of the car ASAP. I filed out with a portion out of the crowd for a few moments through the walkway barricades under the tunnel that was behind the booth. I was able to get into the center of the tunnel where there wasn't a ton of people. In the middle there was a barricade on the right and left with about a 4ft gap in the middle with an officer in that gap directing foot traffic. I decided to jump the left side of the barricade and make a full dead sprint back to the truck. We were all hysterical. We got into the car and drove away. I estimate that the time from the hearing the shot going off to when we got back to the truck was no more than 2 minutes. So we left before the campus went into lockdown from one person there. Another person there statement received 11:24. Same officer driving around getting statements. Myself, blank and blank arrived at the campus. Came in through the north food saw many people were there. I expected to be searched. That's what the ticket said online. Maybe it didn't happen. There were more people there than I thought. We were probably 40 to 50 ft away from the tent on the left side. He answered one question and then in the middle of the second he was about to pick up the microphone. We heard a pop sound. It was a lot quieter than I thought a gunshot would sound like. I saw Charlie go lifeless and kind of slouch back to his left and I saw a stream of blood come out of the left side of his neck. Everyone kind of froze for.1 seconds. Then my cousin in front of me told me to get down. Get down. I got down. Made myself as small as possible. I was waiting for more shots because I thought it was a mass shooting or something like that. I heard the shot come from my right and kind of up towards the mountains on the east. We were probably on the ground for 5 to 10 seconds and then immediately up and sprinting to the nearest building. We ran to the southish building. Everyone could tell I was in shock. Everyone you could tell was in shock. We ran in and I grabbed the nearest trash can and I threw up. Maybe shock or the gore. I don't know. I held my cousin tight. We sat in a little ledge in that building for 5 to 7 minutes probably. A police officer came in to tell everyone to hide or shelter in place. We decided to exit the building. We walked out by the ambulances and walked completely south to the McDonald's. It was traumatic. I was in shock. Fight or flight mode for a couple hours after. It was something that I couldn't stop replaying in my mind. I saw security on top of the ledge above the tent, but didn't notice them that much after when I saw them initially. Another exhibit. 9:25 25. Don't know who got this statement, but here's what this says. I arrived at the event 10:00 a.m. right after my classes. I got there early to get front row of which I was. I was about 5t away from the debater to the right and 15 ft from Charlie. About an hour before the crowd grew, and it was packed. When Charlie came out, there was much excitement, but also some booze and hissing, but that was expected. The first debater was normal, but the second is when we heard the gunshot. It was probably one to one and a half minutes into the debate about transgender shooters when Charlie got shot by a transgender loving shooter. Right before the gunshot, the question was asked about how many trans shooters there have been. Charlie responded, "Too many." A little more dialogue happened. Then we heard a sound as if it were a firecracker. I believe it came from behind me to my left, but hard to say because of the echo. I then looked back at Charlie and saw him seize up, cease up, and an unexplainable amount of blood gushing from his neck. We all got down to take cover, not knowing if more shots would follow. Wild duck, it hit me that Charlie just got shot, and I needed to get out of there. After 10 to 15 seconds, I got back up, ran to the side of the barriers close to where Charlie was taken out, and fled campus. The atmosphere was of pure panic, and I was scared for my life. After fleeing, I made it back to my apartment at this location by foot. Exhibit D. We've got here consent to interview a juvenile mom or dad says, "Yep, you can talk to them. Here's what a young person had to say." Don't know why the date is redacted, but we got that. So, maybe this looks like an adult's handwriting, not a child, but so maybe talking to somebody who's underage and parents are writing this word. Okay, so we arrived about 2 hours before the scheduled event and arrived about 10:00 a.m. in a white Sububan Forester. We originally were sitting on a step, but once more people started arriving, we moved up to the barricade to be as close as possible. We noticed a few security guards and we were just talking. Eventually, we saw a new SUV arrive, so everyone started assuming it was Charlie. He took some pictures with the TPUSA chapter kids. Eventually, he came out and the crowd was super enthusiastic. He and his team were throwing out hats and eventually he sat down and took his first question. The first question was about LDS versus Christianity, and they went back and forth for about 7 minutes. And then the crowd urged the guy to move on. The second speaker came up and asked this question about whether or not trans people should be allowed to own guns. Charlie thought that they should not and therefore the guy finished his question. Charlie asked for clarification on whether that number included gang violence or not. When the man at the microphone was still speaking, there was a very loud noise. I genuinely thought it was a balloon. But when I saw a huge amount of blood pouring out of the side of Charlie's neck, I realized what happened right away. Everyone was on the ground trying to protect themselves from the possibility of more shots. I remember thinking I could not get low enough. I was instantly scared. My thoughts quickly turned to disbelief. I could not comprehend what had happened. And I struggled to text my mom that I was safe. My hands were shaking. My friend right next to me pulled me up so that I could we could leave. There was a stampede of people trying to leave courtyard. And as we were leaving, we saw two bodyguards dragging a man out on his knees. Me and Ashley sat beneath a tree briefly to call our parents. We very slowly tried to make our way back to our car without getting back through the courtyard. The whole time I was in tears just praying that Charlie would live. Me too. We eventually made it back to my car and I gathered myself to be able to drive and we began the slow process of getting off campus and to a nearby Home Depot to meet our parents. Just horrible. All right, so another scene of where it all went down. Exhibit E. Another statement 9:25. This person says, "I've been following politics for 5 years. I study political science and English at Weber State University. This is how I heard about the event. I also have followed Charlie for a while, so I was looking forward to him being in Utah. I parked at the parking garage with my neighbor so- and so. We walked to the event. I took a picture from the walkway directly across from the tent. I found the event because there was a protester standing in the walkway above the tent where he would be speaking. They were all holding a pride flag. So, I walked through the building north of the venue, walked towards the tent where they were handing out pins and constitutions. My friend so and so was volunteering with TPUSA. So, I talked to him. Then, at about 10:30, I walked up the stairs to the barrier where I waited for the event to start. I was talking with people in the crowd, debating, asking questions of the people around this. This is where I met this person, this person, this person, and this person, and this person. Eventually, Charlie arrived. I saw him take some pictures with the students working with TPUSA. Then, he was introduced by two people. One of them, why refi? If you want to refinance, that's their sponsor. When he walked out, he threw hats into the crowd for about 5 to 10 minutes. Then, Charlie sat down and addressed the crowd. He said something along the lines of, "Give me Utah's best liberals." Then, somebody made the claim to him that Mormonism has his more historical claims for it than Protestantism. Charlie spent 5 minutes talking about that, what he loves about Mormons. Then he went back and forth about it. Then the crowd started yelling, "Next question." So, he moved on. Then he began answering the next question, which was, "How many shooters have been trans in the past 20 years?" Charlie said, "Too many." The student who asked the question said something I didn't hear. Charlie then responded with something like, "Counting or not counting gang violence." Then I was turning back to look at the stage and I heard a loud pop that I thought was a balloon. I then saw Charlie's body jump from the impact. I was able to see the spot that it hit in Charlie's neck. Originally, I had thought the bullet had hit the other side, but it was on his left side where I was standing. Where it hit, it was a dimesiz impact, very dark red. Then, bright red blood sprayed forward and down about a foot and a half out in front of him. We were in shock in the crowd because there was so much blood. He slumped back in the chair, but stayed propped up. Then I was pulled to the ground and started praying. I thought I was about to die. I was on the ground wondering where the bullet was going to hit my back. I thought I was about to meet God. So, I was praying, repenting. I was waiting for the rest of the shots to ring out. Either someone shooting the killer down or shots into the crowd. Then I started getting stepped on and trampled. This person then turned around and pulled me off the ground and we started running through the fountain and up the steps. As I was running out, I saw people standing up on the walkway above the venue and they didn't realize what happened. So I yelled at them. Charlie Kirk got shot and everyone needs to run. We then ran through the hallways and after 5 minutes about we knelt down to say a prayer. Man, shout out to these kids. It gives me chills. Then I called my parents and my brother to pick me up. I was so terrified that they wouldn't find the shooter and they would start aiming at us. I left my blank blank blank there at the UV parking garage until Saturday or Sunday. Probably his card. Man, it's just heavy stuff. Prayers up. All right, so here was Tik Tok screenshot and they referenced that in their filing. Unfriendly friendly reminder for the UVU students. This just isn't a national headline. So they shared a Tik Tok video that somebody made. One final exhibit is the press conference at noon. potential charges. They explain how they were going to charge him and his first appearance and media contact is Christopher Ballard over there. Here's another summary report. This drafted 9:30 says on 9:29 I was contacted by blank blank blank blank blank about some assistance he needed about the Charlie Kirk shooting. Mr. So and so informed me his blank was at the scene when Kirk was shot and further explained he intended to disclose that fact to the defense council. Mr. prosecutor advised his daughter was there at the event with a blank bag and once Charlie Kirk had been shot, she left her bag, the pronouns I think they're redacting out. She left her bag where she was located and fled the scene. Mr. Prosecutor stated that he had photographs of his daughter's bag at the crime scene. Mr. Prosecutor asked if I could assist him in collecting the approximate measurement of his daughter's location to the location where Kirk was shot. I don't know why he needs to know that. On 9:30, September 30th, Mr. prosecutor and I traveled to Utah and I advise Utah dispatch we would be in the crime scene collecting a measurement. Why does he need to know that? With the assistance of prosecutor via photographs he had of his daughter's bag, we were able to locate the approximate location of his daughter where it was in relation to Kirk when he was shot. We ran a tape measure from Charlie's approximate location to where his daughter's bag was. According to the photographs, it was about 85 ft. After collecting the measurement, we left the area with no additional actions taken. So that's interesting. It's like dad is sending cops to go make some measurements cuz he's curious and it's about his daughter. Like if somebody else goes and makes those measurements that's fine, but why is dad directing that as the prosecutor? We also saw that over the weekend very successful Amfest and Anna Paulina Luna came out and she shared a clip of her speaking there in Phoenix. >> You may not like Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro or Steve Bannon or me, but guess what? If the radical left wins, you, us, and them, we all hang together. We can duke it out on stage, but remember the fight ahead because we are all in this fight together and we have crossed this Rubicon and it's important to remember who the real enemy is and that is the radical left that killed my friend Charlie Kirk. >> Yeah, that's exactly right. I think duking it out with each other is perfectly fine. I'm totally comfortable with that. We can be on the same team and you can still really want to, you know, like beat your teammates. Anybody who's been on a sports team, I think knows what I'm talking about. You like the guy because he helps you win the game, but that's about as far as it goes. So in practice or when you're, you know, off the game field, you guys can have your back and forth and get into it. But when it's game time, all that gets set aside and we have to go and really defeat the big enemies who are out there trying to wreck our country and kill our people. So we will, of course, keep our eye on this one. We'll see what the government says in response to this. They'll say that there is no conflict. There is no impropriy. Maybe the prosecutor is allowed to do these things under their interpretation of Utah law. And we'll see what the judge ultimately decides. We've got bunch of hearings coming up in this case which we will continue to keep our eye on. You can see a bunch of stuff even scheduled before the end of the year. We have another WebEx hearing where we'll get a ruling 1229 and then we're coming back next year January 16th, February 3rd, May 18th, 19th and 20th, 21st, 20th probably for a preliminary hearing. And so the case is warming up now. They're trying to disqualify every prosecutor who's been on it this far. We'll see what the judge says and does. Thank you for subscribing and joining as we
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