Charlie Kirk Breaks Down Trump's Constitutional Strategy to Shrink Government and Expose Federal Waste

[00:00] Charlie Kirk is with us Charlie you

[00:01] think Glenn great to see you it's

[00:03] phenomenal first of all it breaks things

[00:04] into separate votes that's the first ask

[00:06] enough of these omnibuses of it is the

[00:09] oldest trick in Washington DC put things

[00:11] that are essential with things that are

[00:12] terrible and then you bind these

[00:14] congressmen that are in tough districts

[00:15] they say oh I vote for this thing

[00:16] because had all this veteran stuff that

[00:18] I like and 90% of it was garbage yes and

[00:20] so if you break it into separate bills

[00:22] then you can actually say Okay farmer

[00:24] Aid disaster Aid fine do that separately

[00:26] you know why they don't like do doing

[00:28] that they actually wanted to go home

[00:29] this weekend for Christmas break it is

[00:30] as simple as that is that there is a

[00:32] lifestyle component to our legislative

[00:35] process and when I first learned that I

[00:37] said wait a second we have nurses EMTs

[00:40] we have people on 24 call that are

[00:41] working Christmas Eve and Christmas all

[00:42] through New Year's that are making the

[00:44] country run our members of Congress can

[00:46] work through Christmas yeah to go do 12

[00:48] or 15 separate votes it's not that hard

[00:50] in fact the stewardship of the country

[00:52] is far more important than your

[00:54] Christmas vacation yes and you know we

[00:58] they're working for

[01:00] the people allegedly allegedly that's

[01:03] what they're supposed to be doing I I

[01:06] gave up a day of my vacation to be here

[01:08] I'm I I'm on you're with all these

[01:10] wonderful Patriots look at all these

[01:11] great people and it's because everybody

[01:14] here is most likely doing the same thing

[01:17] giving you know taking some vacation

[01:18] time to be here because it's important

[01:20] it's really important yeah and it it's

[01:22] just a phenomenal event here and glory

[01:24] be to God and we we always have hang on

[01:26] just a second glory be to God yes but

[01:29] God God needs uh actual physical hands

[01:32] on Earth and you have been th this is

[01:36] your thing turning point is you it's our

[01:38] thing as an organization BL uh it took a

[01:42] leader to lead it and you deserve a lot

[01:46] of credit for the win uh and all the CR

[01:48] well no not all the credit but most of

[01:50] the credit for this because it was your

[01:52] baby uh thank you Glenn that that's very

[01:55] touching and I you know this and I'll

[01:56] throw it back at you you've been an

[01:58] instrumental piece in my World viiew

[02:01] formation okay uh so he won't accept it

[02:04] I I got to get better at receiving

[02:06] compliments no I and I I've heard you

[02:09] and it's really great and I and I'm

[02:11] grateful that you know we have a good

[02:13] relationship and and we've helped each

[02:15] other out um but uh let's uh let's talk

[02:19] about what we're facing January 20th MH

[02:23] um because we I I am for the spending

[02:28] cuts I am against raising the debt limit

[02:30] but if I were in Congress I would have

[02:33] done it this time because I want to give

[02:36] Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt I

[02:37] think he deserves it he's earned it uh

[02:40] and I find it credible he's not a debt

[02:43] guy but Elon Musk is uh and and Trump

[02:47] knows along with Elon Musk we got to

[02:49] grow the economy but we also have to cut

[02:52] it down and I'll give Donald Trump the

[02:54] uh the benefit of the doubt because if

[02:57] he doesn't cut the size of government

[02:59] dramatically

[03:00] he doesn't stand a chance he must shrink

[03:03] the size of the state a couple things

[03:05] number one on this legislative back and

[03:07] forth is that President Trump wants a

[03:09] clean slate what does that mean he does

[03:11] not want to inherit all of the problems

[03:13] of this dysfunctional Congress and he

[03:14] has to go clean this up and his agenda

[03:16] that he ran on that people voted for

[03:18] would be thwarted so he wants a clean

[03:20] slate he also doesn't want Schumer to

[03:22] have this him over a barrel with debt

[03:25] ceiling unnecessarily what president

[03:27] Trump has done this is what will happen

[03:29] January 20 through doge is that the

[03:31] executive branch is going to ask a

[03:33] fundamental constitutional question and

[03:35] it's going to go up to the Supreme Court

[03:36] very quickly which is does the executive

[03:38] branch have to spend all the money that

[03:39] Congress sends it this is around the

[03:41] idea of the empowerment act and it's a

[03:43] very interesting constitutional question

[03:45] it says in of course that the Congress

[03:47] controls the purse the House of

[03:48] Representatives all spending bills must

[03:49] originate in the house but it's not

[03:51] clear whether the executive branch has

[03:52] to spend all of that money if they can

[03:54] do the duties that Congress ascribes to

[03:56] them for less money so if doge is able

[03:58] to say hey we're able to do this for

[04:00] half the cost why can't they just send a

[04:02] wire back to Congress or say no we

[04:04] actually don't need it and that

[04:06] constitutional executive tension

[04:08] theoretically could result in hundreds

[04:11] of billions of dollars of cost savings

[04:13] and that is Senator on Russ vot has

[04:14] talked about this from Office of

[04:15] Management budget who's 10 out of 10

[04:16] he's spectacular is the empowerment act

[04:19] and then also the presidential re

[04:20] reorganization act I think I think

[04:22] that's a really healthy debate because

[04:23] our Founders did never they never wanted

[04:26] legislative Supremacy you know this they

[04:28] wanted co-equal branches and we're

[04:30] living under this idea that Congress can

[04:32] just bully the executive branch of what

[04:33] to do with spending you must spend it in

[04:35] fact Glenn you've covered the horror

[04:37] stories of cabinet officials and agency

[04:39] secretaries that have to spend the money

[04:41] like right now what's happening is

[04:42] they're finding things to spend money on

[04:44] because their money is going to run out

[04:46] and if you don't spend it then you you

[04:48] lose it the next time there's no reward

[04:50] for saving it and they'll say well even

[04:51] if we don't spend it it has to be sent

[04:53] to another con agency no that's not

[04:55] correct what if every agency says you

[04:57] know try to do this for 70% of the cost

[04:59] or half of the cost and you're talking

[05:01] about a $6 trillion Beast the ask is

[05:04] very simple can we go back to pre-co

[05:06] spending can we go back to 2019 spending

[05:08] we do that we have a $500 billion

[05:10] Surplus just back to pre-co spending

[05:12] levels and so the way that we shrink the

[05:15] size of government and the state is

[05:17] going to be done in a different way

[05:18] because typically it's like well you

[05:19] must immediately get Congressional Buy

[05:21] in the executive branch has a co-equal

[05:23] role in identifying and potentially even

[05:26] saving money that Congress was forcing

[05:28] them once time and you know the

[05:29] Democrats are taking everything to court

[05:32] how long before Donald Trump just starts

[05:34] to shut parts of the government down I I

[05:38] I can't speak on his behalf but I can

[05:39] say though that this impoundment act

[05:41] question will probably be heard this

[05:43] summer or sometime soon and if if it

[05:45] comes back the way it should which is

[05:47] this question again Hamilton and Madison

[05:49] and Jay who were the obviously the

[05:51] designers of and the explainers of the

[05:53] US Constitution they wanted spirited

[05:55] tension between the branches they they

[05:57] they wanted Collision they wanted the

[05:59] branches to kind of not to be at war

[06:01] with each other but to have different

[06:03] opinions on how governing should this

[06:06] idea that the executive branch must bend

[06:08] a knee because Congress has appropriated

[06:10] the money and so look in addition to

[06:13] that is if we can get this is where the

[06:15] other thing is that I was pushing for

[06:17] and I don't think it's going to happen

[06:18] is if we can reauthorize the

[06:19] presidential reorganization act which

[06:21] has been authorized in many times which

[06:23] essentially says if an agency can do the

[06:26] work that is duplicative of another

[06:27] agency it no longer needs to exist yes

[06:29] so let's just take the Department of

[06:30] Education which needs to end it the

[06:32] Department of Education needs to be shut

[06:33] down do you guys agree and the

[06:35] Department of Education so do you

[06:37] believe do you believe Lind McMahon

[06:39] because she's a great manager she's

[06:41] phenomenal is she a manage to the close

[06:46] she she shares the president's stated

[06:48] plan to close the Department of

[06:49] Education but let's just take three

[06:51] examples of how that can happen before

[06:53] you close it student loans what what

[06:55] that should be under Department of

[06:56] Treasury put that under treasury there's

[06:57] no reason should be there wait wait wait

[06:58] wait wait

[07:00] why do we have it that was the problem I

[07:02] agree that's going to require Congress

[07:04] like that's what I'm getting at though

[07:05] is at least you can break apart I agree

[07:08] we should get rid of any subsidized

[07:09] student loans I'm just getting at this

[07:11] is the way that you can actually weaken

[07:12] an agency to no longer exist through

[07:14] duplicative type processes right School

[07:17] assisted lunch you can make an argument

[07:18] for it or against it but School assisted

[07:21] lunch basically that the taxpayers need

[07:22] to you know pay for lunch that could be

[07:24] under Department of Agriculture they do

[07:25] food stamps much better done then

[07:27] finally they have this whole separate

[07:28] Office of the depart dep education that

[07:30] is Senate confirmed tier 2 position that

[07:32] is the office of civil rights put that

[07:34] under the Department of Justice they

[07:35] don't need your own civil rights

[07:37] division in the Department of Education

[07:39] that goes and harasses our Christian

[07:40] schools and goes after conservative kids

[07:43] so you can completely close that that's

[07:44] three functions all of a sudden the

[07:46] Department of Education inherently

[07:47] weakens and and you know this Glenn the

[07:49] Department of Education actually never

[07:50] existed it used to be called HW health

[07:53] education and Welfare Y and in fact we

[07:56] could we could REM merge these together

[07:58] and then we could find duplicative type

[08:00] processes and better better synergies

[08:03] that is even before we get more to the

[08:04] fundamental question of which I have and

[08:06] you have I don't think the Department of

[08:08] Education is constitutional I I do not

[08:10] think that is in the original intent as

[08:13] written that the federal government has

[08:15] any role in the education of our

[08:17] children period what what progressives

[08:19] do understand but the actual voter that

[08:22] votes usually what Democrats don't

[08:24] understand is uh I don't have a problem

[08:28] with the way you live in California you

[08:31] want you want to live in California and

[08:32] you want to you know be as insane as you

[08:35] are you can do that your own Community

[08:38] can vote for that and that's that's fine

[08:40] I'm not going to pay for it and don't

[08:42] force me to live that way you know uh

[08:47] and that's unfortunately the problem we

[08:49] have San Francisco values right in small

[08:52] towns that do not agree with those

[08:54] values at all and it's forced upon them

[08:56] it's forced upon them because it's

[08:58] Federal the office ofil rights to

[08:59] Department of Education and even worse I

[09:01] mean you guys remember this was not a

[09:03] very covered um issue the Department of

[09:06] Education was using School assisted

[09:08] lunch funding to force transgender

[09:11] bathrooms do you remember this it was a

[09:12] was a lesson like they said we are not

[09:14] going to give money for kids that need

[09:17] assistance for lunch if you don't have

[09:19] radical transgender policies so what

[09:21] we've done is we've created this insane

[09:23] leverage that the Department of

[09:25] Education should not have over local

[09:27] municipalities in school districts and

[09:29] the good news is Linda McMahon I believe

[09:31] will do two things I I could say just

[09:32] believe looking as on the outside two

[09:34] things concurrently she wants to shut it

[09:36] down but also fix as much as we can and

[09:38] reverse as much as we can no more CRT

[09:40] for schools we're going to not send any

[09:41] federal money after schools that are

[09:42] teaching Dei and day one there needs to

[09:45] be a massive push to the NCAA the NCAA

[09:48] itself as an official bodying

[09:50] organization that the federal government

[09:52] will not send another dime of taxpayer

[09:54] dollars if men are competing in female

[09:56] sports we will not tolerate that

[09:57] absolutely it's not going to happen yeah

[09:59] and so there's a lot that we can do in

[10:01] the interim to help reverse some of this

[10:04] nonsense we've been living through but

[10:05] to answer the question is Trump going to

[10:07] just shut down agencies he he does the

[10:10] question is can he and and that's the

[10:12] that's the Constitutional question it's

[10:13] going to go to the Supreme Court and the

[10:15] the question there is do the federal

[10:18] workers in the

[10:21] administration work for the president or

[10:24] does the president work for them this is

[10:26] the fundamental question I mean and if

[10:29] if if you are part of the administration

[10:31] that is a branch of the government that

[10:33] is separate but equal and the you have

[10:37] to have an executive that's running

[10:38] you're totally right and thanks to

[10:40] president Trump with what he did in the

[10:42] first term I think Glen we finally have

[10:43] a supreme court that's willing to weigh

[10:46] in and look the the West Virginia vepa

[10:49] case um other constitutional cases that

[10:52] we've seen in recent years are getting

[10:54] at the fundamental question of wait a

[10:56] second the authoring the birth of the

[10:59] administrative state is illegitimate the

[11:01] administrative State itself is an

[11:02] illegitimate experiment that you cannot

[11:04] author regulation without Congress in

[11:06] fact said differently that the entire

[11:09] premise that there is a fourth branch of

[11:11] government that is unelected unknown Y

[11:13] and unchecked is against our birth

[11:16] certificate and so I think we're finally

[11:18] I think the Overton window has moved in

[11:20] up you you wrote a book called Overton

[11:21] window years ago it was a great book

[11:22] growing up I read it it's finally moved

[11:24] enough where I think the American people

[11:25] can stomach it and here's why I love

[11:28] what doge is doing if they do nothing

[11:29] else than just live tweet the government

[11:32] waste that they find in real time they

[11:34] will have done a great service to this

[11:36] country I mean don't underestimate the

[11:37] exposure of things oh I I think we saw

[11:41] the Trump Doge machine on Wednesday you

[11:46] know you you can talk all you want but

[11:47] when the president and Elon Musk and the

[11:51] rest of us have a leader that says Nope

[11:54] stop this right now the American people

[11:56] stood up and it stopped and and here's

[11:59] here's what's amazing thanks to Elon

[12:00] Musk purchasing X and turning it into a

[12:02] more po we didn't have to go through any

[12:03] of the mainstream media it just we just

[12:05] did it in fact what the media is now

[12:07] doing the media networks are now just

[12:09] reporting what they're reading on X we

[12:11] can do that we don't need to watch them

[12:12] for that they're literally just reading

[12:14] x and they're like well now breaking on

[12:15] X okay I got that I could do it in real

[12:17] time I don't need your intermediary and

[12:19] so it's it's a decentralization and a

[12:21] small D democratization of the flow of

[12:23] information uh I I will tell you um when

[12:27] uh we were talking about Time Magazine

[12:29] and the person of the year obvious

[12:31] there's no other choice than Donald

[12:33] Trump he is the guy who's going to he's

[12:35] going to change the whole world and if

[12:37] he does what he said he will be

[12:39] remembered as another Abraham Lincoln

[12:41] kind of guy kind of figure I think

[12:43] you're right um an anti FDR Wilson um

[12:47] however the only other choice could have

[12:50] been Elon Musk I I I think that's right

[12:53] he he did more to save our country just

[12:56] by buying X than anything else I think

[12:58] you'll appreciate this I said it when it

[13:00] happened and now it's proven to be true

[13:02] it's the most important transaction

[13:04] since the Louisiana Purchase yeah and of

[13:07] of scale and importance and I believe it

[13:09] was the cause that was set in motion y

[13:12] that helped us save our civilization