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So hopefully we can have some good input and move that conversation forward. Josh, what do we have in store today? Very special pre-recorded show for y'all. We are going to be reviewing the infamous Charlie Kirk speech where Zebin and the undercover made their first real appearance. This was the event that kind of got us initially going viral on Twitter. Nick Vuentes retweeted the undercover Uh >> who? Charlie Kirk himself retweeted the undercover And so that was kind of what got outside the Overton slightly more into the mainstream. And this is the full speech. We've hinted at it before. It took them forever to release it. And we've hinted that the whole speech, the beginning of it was actually quite good. We were there to basically troll Charlie Kirk. Uh but you know, it turned out there was there was some good, there was some bad. And we're going to be talking about it today. And joining us to do that is a very special guest, Atlas Thugged, with us. How you doing, Atlas? >> Oh, go again. So, are you >> Thank you very much for having me. I appreciate it very much. I'm doing well. Um, you know, I've been following the outside the Overton's journey ever since they began before they went viral. They jumped me pretty quickly, going from like 3K to 20K in like a day. Um, but I'm happy to go over as the Charlie Kirk expert myself. So, thank you for having me. >> Absolutely, dude. Shout out to Atlas, dude. He was um I I know we we've picked up a lot of steam recently, but he started he started the snowball before we did and um he was he was gracious enough to reach out to us and help us along. So, please go show him some love over there. I'll have his link in the description also. So, um do that and probably also in the comments section. Uh we appreciate y'all for stopping by for this chat. Hopefully, you can get something out of this. Uh, the speech Charlie Kirk had I thought was good while we were there watching it. Um, I we haven't I haven't rewatched it in the last when was it? Two, a month and a half ago. August. >> It was late August almost. >> It might have been one of his last it probably was his last speech besides his own show. I think maybe we should look into that. Um, that that we actually attended. So, we're going to take a look at this. And where is my button at? Eeny meeny miny. Let me guess. this one. Got it. Nailed it. First try. So, we're going to we're going to watch this. We're going to react to it and uh kind of stop and go along the way. Let me know what you think uh in the comments, too, about the speech. I again, I thought it was a good speech. >> Maybe, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I could be wrong, Josh. >> We'll see. I mean, like we >> rarely, but maybe >> maybe like we kind of talked about before, you know, we like in our sphere, whether you're a groper, whether you're not, Charlie Kirk was known as basically politically like uh well, he himself was not a normie, but his content was for normies. It was very baseline GOP conservative stuff. And truth be told, like Zeb and myself, we hadn't really been paying attention to what Charlie Kirk was doing. You know, watching him debate college students was not really in vogue with how deep we are into the political sphere. So, I was a little surprised by the content which we're about to watch. Thought it was positive. >> I thought so, too. Atlas, you got any uh takes before we dive into it? >> Yeah, I completely agree. You know, it was some of the kind of fire and brimstone, if you will. I liked a lot of what the message was, especially in the beginning, because he was largely taking aim at how weak a lot of the pastors and Christianity is in America, and that's kind of right up my alley. >> Absolutely. All right, let's jump into this thing. >> Sorry, I'm not going to stop too much. Let me let me let me Hold on. Let me go back to the crowd. I got I got I got a crowd comment. >> Just take a seat. Thank you. >> Oh man. Oh man. >> There we go. Okay. Chat chat. Chat chat. Tell me. Chat tell me. Chat tell me chat. Atlas can't see what I'm doing. But uh but I mean very um so when you when you when you build a business you build a business around an avatar the the the target audience and uh there is a target audience here. Josh Atlas did you know that did you notice that when you watched because I mean you weren't there so you weren't really immersed in the uh in the crowd but did you notice that when you when you were watching? >> Yeah I the first thing I noticed was the age. I think that's the first thing I saw was just how old everybody was. Um, but you can tell a bit more when you see people start coming up to uh to ask questions as well. >> To do the questions. Yes. Yes, you can. All right. I just want I just want to throw that out there real quick before we got into it because I know Charlie Kirk is known for his college speeches. He's known for reaching out Turning Point USA. Built built everything on college campuses. But um the speech turnout, man, was very very boomer. >> Ancient ancient Lord. >> Thank you everybody. Please take a seat. Thank you. It is great to be here in South Carolina. Did I get the state right? I'm already doing better than Joe Biden. Um it it is phenomenal. Um couple things I want to talk about, then we're going to do question and answer here uh with Alex. Uh first of all, if we would have done this event a year ago, I got to say our country's in a much better place today than it was a year ago. Wouldn't you agree? Praise the Lord. And there are so many different things simultaneously happening right now that are positive. I'm going to talk about some of them. We're going to talk about some of the challenges and then uh we'll have a great chat. First of which is not only did Donald Trump win the White House back in November, which again, thanks to the glory of God, he he did so most miraculous fashion. He brought first-time voters, Donald Trump won the youth vote in several states around the country, including he won the youth vote in the state of South Carolina, just so we're clear. And for years, we were told that younger voters were automatically going to go to the left. We were told that younger voters were trending in the progressive liberal direction by default. But something changed. You see, Gen Z, I'm sure there's some Gen Z patriots here in the audience somewhere. They were part of without a doubt. There you go. All six of them. Great. You're glad you're here. >> All six of them. >> It's little remnant. They were told for a period of time, they were used as lab rats in one of the most inhumane social experiments in American history. Wear masks to school. Shut down school. Take away prom. Take away graduation. We're going to silence your thoughts. We're going to silence your speech. We're going to make sure you give land acknowledgements. We're going to call you racist. We're going to call you toxically masculine. We're going to say that God does not exist. We want you to sit at home, watch a laptop, and just wither away into existence. It was without a doubt one of the most cruel things that we adults have ever done to our nation's children. And I do not believe that our nation's leaders have been held accountable enough. I believe Anthony Fouchy needs to go to federal prison for the rest of his life for what happened during CO. >> Um I mean this point he makes on I I know he harsh on CO but uh even across the board is is basically making the point that uh yeah the the adults the older generation have put a boot on the neck of the younger generation. I mean dude you remove kids from school for two years. What do you expect to happen on the follow on years? I mean, we have we have if you look at the numbers right now, we have like something like 40% in some of these schools that that were doing well can't even read coming out of high school. I I I mean, yeah, it's uh that that was something we had we had addressed many times and referenced in our analysis of this speech before the actual speech was released that it was very targeted at young people in a positive light. Basically highlighting the fact of the the problems that we face, can't buy a home, you know, marriage and having kids is next to impossible these days. They're basically being priced out of having a normal human lifestyle. they're priced out of the American dream. >> Well, the funny thing is I like that he he also admitted, you know, there at the beginning, you know, all six of the Gen C people in there. But the the bigger point though that I kind of draw from that as well, and I like it and I think he's right, is this kind of political footballing of throwing these people in jail, right? How often is Fouchy thrown out there? How often is Bill Gates thrown out there? How often is you and go down the line, but that reality is true and you know, we do need to see these people behind bars. That's that's what we do need to see from the administration on that end. >> Yes. Yes. Behind bars. All of them. >> Now, I do want to say this before we continue. Uh something I noticed and I remember thinking this at the time and we kind of talked about it afterwards, Seb, but very like at this point very sloppish, you know? It's uh what this is >> organized. Yeah. Yeah. >> No, no, no, not even that. I just mean like uh it's red meat for the base. Yeah. >> Yeah. Where it's like Anthony Fouchy needs to be in jail. Uh oh, I I remember what state I am. I'm not Joe Biden. This this took place in August of 2025. So, this was like we said, it was it was a month ago. >> Bobby, you going to take that, dude? Bobby, you hear Josh talk? >> And let me put it this way. It's like we said yesterday, I'm This is not me putting Charlie Kirk down. This is Charlie Kirk >> understanding how to play the game >> who is understanding his audience. So what he's real So what it really tells you is about what it tells you about is who he's talking to. >> Very true. And so how much of that do you take as political footballing or do you think Charlie really would hold people's feet to the fire on that? I mean that isn't that is a a question. >> That's a question that could be applied to a lot of things. Charlie Kirk nowadays. But you know what's the dead men tell no tales? >> It's hard. It's hard. It's hard to get uh get answers out of him now. >> You got to produce receipts. >> Very true. >> Oh, dude. You Well, you speaking on that real quick. Uh I know everybody came to watch the Charlie Kirk speak, but um Alice, you did a video on the uh on the Candace situation. >> I'm taking a lot of heat for it. >> Runown on that one. >> Yeah, taking a lot of heat for it. Basically, uh, I went through the letter, the supposed letter that was obtained by the New York Post. Supposedly, they obtained it from Netanyahu, so it was produced from Israel, which is already providing a huge barrier for people to even believe it's true. Um, but as it stands, I kind of made this video about the fact that Candace for months now, well, I guess say month, weeks now, has been saying over and over that she has seen the contents of the letter. And she initially when BB Netanyahu had made his appearance on Fox, I believe it was like a day or two after the shooting. When he had talked about Charlie Kirk writing him this letter, Candace took issue with that because she had said that he is omitting the true nature of the letter. And then when we get the letter, it turns out it's actually it's it's the opposite of what Candace was saying. It's basically seven full pages of him begging to, you know, Netanyahu to assault America with Israeli propaganda. So, it's a complete 180 what I was expecting to see, but there is a healthy amount of doubt because if it was produced by Israel Netanyahu, how much can you trust of that that it wasn't edited? Is this actually the true letter? Um, but then you kind of go down this this rabbit hole of like who can you trust at the end of the day? >> Well, and if I could say I I basically I don't know if you saw my tweet last night. >> It was a good video. Go watch that too after this. >> Yes, absolutely. But I think to me >> the biggest piece of and it's not concluded. I'm not saying that this is a nail in the coffin or anything, but to me the fact that it basically is the playbook that they literally say we need a husb, you know, in Israel against basically a Israeli propaganda ministry here in America. Why would the Jews why would they either put that in there or not take it out if they were editing it? Now again, it's like why release it? They have been they're they're not exactly shy about self-reporting. I mean Netanyahu literally said the same thing in a UN speech recently. So it's not exactly okay, definitely Israel did it or definitely Israel did not edit the letter. But to me, I think the fact that it has the playbook in it is a little bit of a notch towards they did not edit it. Well, not only just that, that part I got, but I think the part that's even more telling in that same element is the fact that he had basically pleaded that they drop humanitarian aid in the United States with the Star of David on it. And that was to me was like, you wouldn't leave that in there if you were editing it because that some of that begins to be very hard to believe someone would be asking for that. But I believe that was five of his recommendations was to have um the Star of David attached to humanitarian aid for the United States. I need to go back and read that letter. >> It's crazy, dude. All right. Well, I'll get to it. I'll get to it. I'm going on vacation. I'll get to it. I'm taking some time off, dude. We've been We've been wired and Josh is over here working a regular job or something like we get like like >> What's going on, dude? We're trying to conquer the world. You're over there doing your little your little day job. >> You going to feed me? I'll just quit and living here. And you got to feed >> Chad. Chat's the one that's going to feed you. Chat, you going to feed me? >> Oh, all right. All right, we're going to jump back into this. Sorry, kind of derailed that pretty hard. >> Iden's auto pen signed his his pardon. We should test that cuz that man did more damage to the next generation than almost anybody in particular. >> Feel free to interject, Atlas. >> So this generation, they lived through this social experiment. >> And while many of us saw our homes get more valuable, we saw our stocks go up, this generation saw themselves get poorer. They saw their relationships fall apart. They saw their friends commit suicide. They saw so many people fall to depression and anxiety and mental anguish and torture. And so the the calamity that was presented in front of this generation set the table for a right-wing correction, a right-wing revolution that happened gradually and then suddenly. This last election, we saw the next generation, young men in particular, they moved 44 points more Republican from 2020 to 2024, delivering the White House for Donald Trump in record numbers. And it is not just that they are becoming more conservative. This is the most exciting thing. We should celebrate that they're loving the nation again. We should celebrate that they want to get married. We should celebrate that they want to have children. But most importantly, everybody, they are on pace to be the most Christian generation in the last 50 years. That is the most important thing. More and more young people are giving their lives to Christ. More and more young people are putting God as number one. They're spiritually curious. They go on these college campuses and they don't want to just hear about North African lesbian poetry. They don't just want to hear about, you know, you're systemically racist because you are white. These failed post-modern secular ideas are falling apart in real time. And if there's only a couple things you remember that I say tonight, remember that America will not be a free nation if we are a nation without our commitment to God. If we we are one nation under God, not one nation under government. If we are one nation under the state, then you will cease to be free. And what where did we get CO from? We did not get CO from Well, we did get CO from China. That's exactly right. And honestly, China has to pay a lot more for what they did to our nation. I'll tell you what, in more ways than one. You're very right. But we the reaction to CO was largely because of two reasons. The first of which was because of a secular government that hates us and believes in wacky ideas. The second of which is a little bit harder truth though. Too many pastors and too many churches sat idly by while our nation was closed. Too many pastors did not speak up and stand up. Now, I know this might be controversial for some people, but in the summer of 2020, when they took Easter from us, they took Pentecost from us, when they were telling us that everything was racist and terrible and awful, we should have had more pastors marching out in the street saying, "Arest me and throw me to prison. You will never call the church non-essential again." You see, co happened for those two major reasons. And now we are faced with this reality where the next generation, they want something ancient. They want something true. They want something lasting. They want something good. They want something that will be around not just for five minutes, but for the rest of their life. You see, when they go to church, they want to be struck with awe and wonder that only Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit can fill them. You see, they want a different type of Christianity than sometimes we've been tempted to present. You see, what we have been told is we have been told for the last couple of decades, hey, if you want young people to come to Jesus, never talk about biblical truths. Don't talk about biblical marriage. Don't talk about the family. Instead, just say, "Hey, all are welcome here. We're not going to talk about sin. We're only going to talk about Jesus." Now, what is wrong about that? Of course, we should talk about Jesus all the time. But a young kid shows up to church and he never hears about sin. You just hear about how great he is. You know, you're all so great. You're all so wonderful. God loves you the way you are. None of that is necessarily wrong. Well, the you are wonderful part is wrong. But he says, "Yeah, I'm the best. This pastor thinks I'm the greatest." And then he says, "Oh, by the way, give your life to Jesus." He's like, "Give my life to Jesus. You said I was the best." And Jesus can be your savior. And he'll say, "Why do I need a savior?" You said >> sped up, but he sounds identical to Tucker. >> Like the way he said, "Oh, it's the best." It sounded just like him. opinion. You want me to slow back down? >> He's got that cadence. It's fine with me. Um, but it is a good it is a good place to stop. There's a couple things I wanted to bring up there, too. I I Well, let me let me leave with this. I would be curious to know what the kind of data would look like in terms of Christianity in America um after Charlie's um assassination. Uh obviously because I think a lot of people obviously went to church after that. But this idea that you know this coming to Christianity is what brought is what brought about Trump's election victory is so is uh it's too zoomed in. I mean you just lose zoom out. You go to 2007 we were 78% Christian in the nation. Um right now it's sitting at like 62%. So just in a matter of like a decade it's it's the decline has been insane. And so just because we go from 62% to 63% I think to extrapolate that 1% change in a matter of like two or three years indicative of like the reason why we we won the election I think is is missing the point entirely. It's a feel-good point. Um and a lot of the things he's saying is great but the throughine is is true. I saw a great article and I think it was from the American American Conservative, might have been from the Heritage American, but it basically the headline was, you know, pastors aren't afraid of the trans issue, but they're still afraid of Susan. And everything Charlie Kirk has said there is in line with that. It's it's the trans issue. It's COVID. It's it's homosexuality. But what's missing from there? Feminism. And that is the one thing that most pastors still refuse to attack and move the needle on and ultimately is the biggest barrier in my opinion of what prevents more men from coming into Christianity. Absolutely. I mean the the woman pill is something that needs to be addressed. And that's that's one of those things where it's like people people have really always been for most of human history they've been anti-semitic or they've been racist. Like that's it's actually kind of against our nature to not be those things. But men like women and that that's that's one of the secret truths out there is like they're they got to be dealt with, dude. And and you raised a good point. Actually, I think woman propaganda gave a speech about that at a Myin event we went to and he basically went off. He was he was saying the same thing. He's Christian and he was talking about how the pastors, they basically get money. The main source of income for churches is through little old ladies. Little old ladies who drag their husbands to church. They're the ones donating. They're the ones tithing. And the pastors are basically treating it like a business. They got to keep their main clientele happy. You rais a good point about that. >> Yeah. Just to piggy back off of Atlas. Yeah, dude. the uh the surge in Christianity after Charlie Kirk. I would like to see those numbers. It'll probably somebody will probably come up with some numbers after that. Um I mean it was it was absolutely across the board. Uh the question of will it sustain itself is I think is a different question. So >> completely correct >> give their life to Christ and need a savior if they don't know what they need to be saved from. Amen. >> And if we don't talk about sin, which means being offtarget, then why would a generation ever want to give their life to Jesus? The modern gospel is let's water it down so that everyone will come and we're going to cast a wide net and then we're going to give everyone the gospel of Jesus incrementally and slowly. But it turns out that is a lie. It's fraudulent. First of all, has it worked? Church attendance was going down. Church attendance has slowed down. People have becoming less Christian last 30 years because churches have become weaker and they stop teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ verse by verse, chapter by chapter, and truth by truth. Instead, what we've seen is people show up and they say, "Yeah, you know," they say, "Why do you go to that church?" "Well, they have good parking and the coffee is above average and it's like it's a rock concert with a TED talk." And I think, you know, it's a lot of fun. Everybody, you don't go to church to have fun. You have fun while you go to church. Good. That means >> But oh, wait, that wasn't the church. That was a venue. >> That was like a separate venue. Okay. I was about to say I was about to say like something tells me Alex McFarland's church might be described as such, but maybe not. I've never been. So >> he Alex McFarland goes to uh he he he doesn't he's not a well he is he's a reverend I believe but um he does radio. >> He's not a pastor so I don't know. >> Oh he's not? >> Oh >> he's a reverend but he's not a pastor. Isn't that how that goes? He's ordained. I'm pretty sure. >> Don't don't quote me on that. I'm pretty positive he is. >> Right. He's in Christian apologetics or at least he used to be. Gotcha. >> And he does uh I was trying to find it real quick but yeah. No, he he's he's in the apologetic sphere. He's got he's got like 25 books or something like that. That's crazy. I've never heard of him. I was big into apologetics from like 2017 to 2022. Like that was my main thing back then and I just got so tired of it. And I've never heard of Alex Farland. I've heard of Frank Turk, uh William Lane Craig. >> He's philosophy. >> He worked with um Dr. James Dobson and uh and focus on the family for a while, but I mean this is one of his books. A lot of them is is in this kind of sphere. The 21 questions >> your kids will ask about Christianity. Um a lot of those it's it's in in that type of a sphere that context is is a lot of what his books are. >> Very baseline like oh my my kids are asking me questions about the faith I don't have the answers to. Where do I go from here? >> Yeah. It's very defend the faith. >> Yeah. Um, we wrote >> Yeah, I know he did stuff with like uh Cliff Connect. I think that's how you say his name. >> Kind of. Yeah, Cliff. Cliff I would put more in a pastoral camp. Like I know he does do these. It's like apologetics, but it's very like >> Yeah, pastor >> pastor street. Yeah, street pastor. That's a good way to put it. >> Yeah. Uh, Stan, core truth you must know for an unshakable faith. And then I probably got another one or two. Well, one through line I I just literally picked up as we started again, I just want to make you stop after after 30 seconds, is isn't it kind of wild that here he is giving a speech when the audience is a bit more like Christian oriented? Like obviously they're there for a bit more a speech on Christian grounds. He's preaching against big tent Christianity, but meanwhile his organization is big tent conservatism. Like it just kind of hit me like a a brick wall there was like that seems kind of nonsensical, right? Like here you are giving a speech saying don't do this thing with compromising on your values but here I am with my organization. All I'm going to do constantly is compromise on my values. Like that makes no sense to me. >> I'm not trying to be I'm not trying to accusations. >> I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to be mean. I know. Uh you know, rest in peace, Charlie. >> But yeah, I mean a lot of this in in hindsight is um I don't know. You don't you don't want to throw too many accusations out there. But there there is some hypocrisy there and there's a lot of uh a lot of stuff floating around in in that sphere that Charlie wanted to kind of change things up, want to look look into finances and and a lot of this. So, you know, I don't I don't know. Maybe there was a civil war going on inside of TPUSA. We don't know. And that's the thing is it's only the recent event of him getting killed that kind of called it into question. I mean, let's be honest with ourselves here. If he were still alive, we would be calling him a hypocrite. >> I mean, that's what we were doing before. >> And and and what changed is that he got shot and it's kind of having us call into question. I mean, I would disagree with Nick Fuentes when he said it was actually in response to the undercover stunt that we pulled. uh in his response to that where he was talking about how Charlie would not debate him, he basically insinuated because of what's going on in Gaza and with Israel in Gaza right now that Charlie Kirk is not a true Christian that how can he call himself a Christian when this genocide is going on in Gaza. And even at the moment, I thought it was a little bit harsh. I mean, I do kind of I I try to avoid saying who's saved and who's not, but so I would disagree with him on that, but I do but I did kind of agree with the sentiment of what he was saying. And it's really only with, you know, with the stuff we've seen after he was shot or killed that kind of makes me go maybe his faith was more genuine than I give him credit for. >> He was shot. Josh, >> was he not killed? trap door. >> You know for sure. >> Uh the it was the mic. The mic exploded. It did. It did. Everybody knows it. >> What a I've seen some crazy theories. Uh you know the trapoor and the uh you know being teleported to Tel Aviv. I've seen it all at this point. I um >> I haven't I haven't heard the teleport to Tel Aviv, but I I mean it's honestly that's probably believable more believable than some of the other ones out there. We did. We did throw the orb theory out there. Gay orbs might have got him. >> They That's the thing. The whole plane thing, the whole thing with the plane turning off the GPS, that's a red herring to get us not talking about the orbs. >> That's exactly what it was. >> All makes sense now. >> I'm not jealous. [Laughter] >> Church to get saved. You don't go to church to be entertained. You don't go to church to have great music. You go to church to find out make sure you're going to heaven. to get your friends to go to heaven and you can live a more godly life. You go to church to find out what did Jesus say? What did Jesus teach? What does the Bible teach? And how do I act more like that? And this is where this is where this generation, they want more of that type of teaching. They don't want the watered down nonsense. They don't want the kind of oh well, you know, the kind of, you know, let's just say overly compassionate, nonsensical thing of saying, well, we don't want to talk about the transgender thing or the homosexuality thing or the abortion thing because we might offend somebody. Everybody, if you are not actively being offended on a daily basis or as every weekly basis when you go to church, your pastor is not doing his job. You know why? The Bible's supposed to be offensive to your flesh. The Bible's supposed to be offensive to your lower appetites. And so what we're what we're met with here is really a time for choosing for American Christianity. So many pastors, they failed the test during COVID. They failed the test during the lockdowns. And now they're wondering, well, if I want to grow my church, I have to try to water things down. I can tell you as somebody who now draws thousands of people at our college events, by the way, I go to college campuses so you guys don't have to. You're welcome. And when I go to these college campuses, anyone can go up to the mic. They're not going there to go hear the watered down happy golucky, everyone is great. They go there because they want to find the truth. And sometimes the truth might seem provocative and cut against your flesh. It might come and go, "Well, that's kind of not what I've heard before. You haven't heard it before because we have approximated an entire culture that has gone used to accommodating people's and affirming people's sins." And then people say, "Well, Charlie, Jesus says that we should love one another." How do you love? Do you love by lying or by telling the truth? And remember, Christ our Lord is just as much grace as he is truth. The modern church only cares about grace and they never tell the truth. And the and and now we have this opportunity of a of a monumental amount of our nation's young people. Students that are coming that are seeking Jesus and they're seeking something that is beautiful and that is divine. You know why? Because they know something that's ugly. No, I'm not just talking about their college professor. They know something that is ugly. They the whole culture around them is ugly. from how people talk to how they increasingly dress to the words to the music and they say enough. This is I don't want to live like this. So they're going towards something ancient. We are sitting on the precipice of the greatest Christian revival since Billy Graham if we seize it. But it's not going to happen with a bunch of weak need wobbling pastors being afraid that they might get an angry email from somebody because they dare talk about well abortion is a sin. I hate you pastor because you just judged me. Okay, first of all, if you're the one writing those emails, you have a problem with the word of God, not with that pastor. But secondly, if you as a pastor are not trying to trim down your church to a manageable >> specific, >> it's like he's talking to somebody specific. >> Yeah, that's what I was just thinking. >> He definitely he definitely is. Um at least to some extent. Maybe that maybe something sparked this uh this speech that he's given. Um, on top of that, I I just want to reiterate basically what he's saying is that the word of God is truth and truth is inherently uh is inherently divisive, right? Everybody wants to talk about unity. We need unity. We need to I mean even like in in the concept of Republican and Democrat, we need unity. We need to unite America. The problem is truth itself is inherently divisive, but at the same time it is also uniting. And so that's if you want to move forward, if you want any kind of unity moving forward, it's going to h have to happen under the banner of truth because I mean all of these lies that we've been pedalling for the last 60 years, 65 years, probably longer than that, is is just it's boiled up to the point where it's it's boiling over and people can't take it anymore. Nobody wants to be lied to anymore. FBI, CIA, >> very true. True. And I guess the one element I would add to that though is it seems like maybe he's almost targeting like a a bigger church. I guess the I'm just confused because uh maybe I'm just too from the boonies to be honest with you, but abortion's not like a topic that gets under people's feathers, you know, in in the parts near me. So maybe he was kind of making a targeted aim to a specific pastor he had a disagreement with or something like that. Um but he's he's right in the sense of everything he's saying is is very true. You know, we do need our pastors to be a lot more forward- facing and not hiding behind, you know, the Bible or hiding behind whatever they can to avoid actually being truthful, >> right? I mean, yeah, I think I appreciate what you said, Zeb, about the truth not being or it is divisive. It is divisive. And like we said, th this is actually a part of the speech that I remembered when we were discussing was Charlie Kirk like on the path to converting to Catholicism. I remember that was kind of a big topic of discussion that was coming out after he was shot. And uh this was one of the things I went back to because he is he he says specifically earlier, church is not supposed to be a big theater performance. It's not supposed to be a rock and roll show. that's clearly targeted at like uh Elevation Church, you know what I mean? Like those types of church gatherings. And so he's clearly advocating for something more traditional, but how far is he willing to go with it? And that was something Catholic I think the Catholic angle is just I it's just completely off base. I I don't I don't see any Catholic aspect to that. I have the same issues with as Charlie Kirk does. Am I going Catholic? No. I I think that I think the the papacy is a lie um along with many many other things um with Catholicism. But to the Catholic's point, they do hold tradition and that's what a lot of people were looking for. They're looking for tradition, heritage, culture, something that um that their fathers and grandfathers have had that that have been essentially taken from them. And this is an issue with Protestantism and I've tackled it before um that that the Orthodox and the Catholics don't really have an issue with though they have their own issues that come along with this u this very narrow dynamic with tradition. Alice, I know you you've flirted with uh orthodoxy too, haven't you? >> Yeah. Well, so the and that's the other element too with like the decline of Christianity is that Protestantism is still bleeding out. In fact, the the Christianity sects that are rising are Eio and and uh Roman Catholicism. And the Catholic angle was kind of curious and I even explored that a little bit too because not only was it mentioned by Candace Owens, but I had noticed a photo had floated around I think even before the assassination had taken place and I think Erica Kirk had clarified because a photo had went of Charlie Kirk I believe in a pew by himself praying but he was at he was in a Catholic church and supposedly the reasoning given from Erica is that no he did this all the time. he would just like to partake in mass in different areas and so maybe this is just kind of like him and you know being brotherly love just showing up to different places and and probably didn't want to be Catholic at the end of the day. >> Yeah. I mean I think I think we're all there. I think that's a stretch >> every single Sunday. Blessed subtraction then you are not doing your job. You see far too often we want to try to cast the widest net. We say we want everyone to join us. We want everyone to hear us. But imagine if I went to a college campus and someone asked me about it. I said, "Well, you know, what do you guys want to hear? I'll just tell you what you want to hear." Well, then you wouldn't be nothing I would do would have any resonance. It wouldn't be it wouldn't be the idea or the crusade of truth. And so, I'm I'm extremely excited. I'm extremely optimistic about where this can head. Simultaneously, I'm worried that the American church is largely unequipped for what is coming because they have this muscle memory that is built up where they they have this false impression of what the church should be. And that involves, by the way, something very important. Number one always should be Jesus Christ. That's the most important thing. The most important thing is winning people over for Jesus Christ. What's the second most important thing? To make sure you could do the first thing. That's where politics comes in. If you don't do the second thing, then you can't do the first thing. Why don't we go all open a church in Saudi Arabia? Does that sound like a good idea? You can't because of politics. Why don't we go open a church in Afghanistan? You can't because of politics. We as Christians have been fed a lie that we should not get involved in politics. You know, people say all the time, "Well, Charlie, you know, um you know, you're you're you're too political." No, no, I'm biblical. There's a big difference. They say, "Well, where in the Bible does it say be political?" Well, let's open up. How about Daniel, Esther, Mori, Nehemiah, Moses? Zerebabel Ne you you want to pick almost any portion of the Old Testament they're talking about either the moral or the civil law how God is set up for us to live you see everybody the the kicker that I think that is in front of us is that we have this opportunity to reorient an entire nation back to what ultimately matters what ultimately matters that there is a God and you are not him that we live under his teaching and there is a natural law and that normativity is woven into nature that there is a moral law that we should point towards. That no, you don't get to point to your own truth. You don't get to come up with your own values. That there is a way for you to live and you don't get to choose your own way to live. That you should try to pursue something outside of you. And because of how the enemy overreached, God used it for good. We are living through Genesis 50:20 right now. What the enemy meant for evil, God will use for good. And it is a prerequisite for a explosion of Christianity and commitments for Christ. But the second part is equally as important and that's what I also want to talk about which is the state of our nation which is praise God gave us a respit. Donald Trump won young people helped deliver it. But going even beyond that what is the type of country that we want to live? quick. I think um like we like we just said he he appears to be talking to someone directly. Um whoever it was, whoever it might be, a student, an actual like commentator like him or something like that. It must be someone who was saying that that specifically like he must have been dealing with questions about how Christians should not get into politics directly because it's very it's very like the the picture he's painting by what he's talking about is a very specific type of Christian. We've had people in our chat talk about how you should not get involved in politics as a Christian. I think it's um I mean if if I was trying to paint broadly and not specifically, I would just say the the attack on Christian nationalism is is kind of I mean obviously he has somebody specific he's talking to. Um but but broadly I think it's it's the attacks on Christian nationalism or and and the the concept of uh Christians being involved in politics and having a Christian government. And uh I know he had he's had to answer a lot of questions uh within the realm of u America was never Christian. I think he went on was it Jubilee where where he had answer a couple of questions that um basically was America founded as a Christian nation. And so he's answered that multiple times. >> You know what it might be real quick? It might be he may have gotten into a debate with someone that he feels like he didn't >> get get enough across and it's just kind of resonated with him and that's what he's basically getting out right now. >> He's he's having a mild crash out right now. >> I think I that might be what it look what was he doing like a few days before this? Who was he talking to on Twitter? What was going on? Well, I can't remember the name of the guy, but it was a like yesterday Andrew Wilson debated a guy on Piers Morgan. This guy's Catholic and that argument was around Christian nationalism in that same sense. And I believe the guy had like some point about you know Christians and Muslims all worship the same God and you know Christianity is about humility. It's not about dominion. And it was about this kind of argument. It was about Christian nationalism and and what it means to have in the country. And so it's clear we are still there's still sects of people in the Christian faith who are adamantly against any kind of political involvement and we just have to get past that or at least kind of mute their mute their descent in some way. >> Yeah. I mean at at this point they are actively uh inhibiting progress and you could classify them as enemy >> treason. Get the rope. I want to live in a type of country where you don't have to lock your doors at night. A type of country where church attendance is going up. A type of country where people are going to get married and have children. A type of country where we are not going to have a Muslim Marxist mayor of New York City. There's something wrong with that, everybody. Now, this is where people say, "Charlie, you can't say that." Let me repeat it for whatever stenographer for the media. There's something wrong when you have a Muslim Marxist mayor of New York City, our greatest city. There's something wrong with that. In fact, we don't talk enough about Islam. There is a red green axis that is trying to suffocate this country. We talk a lot about the red, which is the Marxist, but we don't talk nearly enough about the Islamist. We don't talk nearly enough about the hundreds of thousands of Muslims that we have voluntarily imported into our country that build mosques, implement Sharia law, they court. I don't know if you guys have this problem in South Carolina or not, but it's a thankfully no. But you go to Minneapolis, you >> um a couple side notes. Yes, we have this problem in South Carolina. If you just drive through Columbia, you'll pass a couple of compounds. Um second of all, all I hear about is Islam. Yeah, he's talking about a red red green problem. I think we got a red, green, blue problem. Nick Fuentes actually talked about that on his show the other night and he was responding to Matt Walsh, which I'm going to talk about a little bit tomorrow. um how basically, you know, Matt Walsh brought up uh the call to prayer going on in uh somewhere in Minnesota or maybe it's Dayton, Ohio. I don't quite know. >> Where? >> Dearbornne, Michigan. >> Dearborn, Michigan. That's right. And basically, he talks about how Okay, but that's Dearbornne, Michigan. What about the infiltrators in Brooklyn, New York, or Los Angeles or Southern Florida? What about those infiltrators? They've got I mean, especially if you look at like the Habad Lubichers in New York. Yeah, they're not they're not playing their things over speakers, but they're doing all these danc I mean like they the the Jews with the Hidetic Jews. What's the difference? I mean, they're the they're different from each other, but they're not different in the sense that they are different from us. Well, that's what I don't understand about the whole debate, which is like they want you to play pick either side, right? Even if we zoom out, we step away from our own biases. It's they want you to go, you know, team Islam or, you know, team Israel. And it's like, uh, no, how about we choose ourselves? Uh, we choose America, we choose Christianity. And all these people who are pushing either side of it is like, how about we just, we need that paid sentiment, right? This is when you get the ad disclosure. This person's being paid by soand so. And when you look at it just in the way that it kind of plays out too, it's like I don't see too many, you know, mainstream viral influencers who are sitting there saying this is why we need to have Islam in our public school. What I do see a lot of our mainstream influencers pushing for is here's why we need to support this random country in the Middle East. And so it's clear to most people when they see that they go, I don't see any Where are the Islam influencers at? Like are they just in places I can't see? It's like, no, but I see Laura Loomer's tweet on my timeline every other two hours. It's like it's clear one of them has a lot more prominence than the other. >> Atlas, you cannot have any kind of nationalism in America because America is not a nation. It's an economic zone. >> Stop with that nationalist talk. >> But but this is the thing. And then people want to push for like this American nationalist idea. And it's just again it's all watered down. It's all muddied down. And and I'm, you know, and I'm not trying to take shots of Charlie Kirk, but a lot of this came under the banner of people he got buddy buddy with. A lot of this did come where we're just like, well, you know, as long as we all like think of a Jesus, it's like we need a lot more holding us together than just this kind of loose idea of like, oh, praise Jesus, that's great, but let's go beyond that. Let's actually be real Christians, not in name only. >> Amen, dude. >> Absolutely. >> Go to Dallas, you go to to New York, and it will metastasize. It will spread. You know why? Because the women of the West, they get cats. The women of Muslims, they have eight kids. Eventually, it doesn't work very well. It's just a bunch of math. The women of the West have abortions. The women of Muslims, they have entire communities they can fill. When you import one, you get 32, you know, 10 years later. Chain migration. All this nonsense. People say, "But Charlie, don't you understand that the the immigrants make our country better?" Hold on a second. Immigration without assimilation is an invasion. And when you have millions of people coming into the country that do not learn our language, that do not learn our culture. Let me a great example. Any truck drivers out there? I'm sure we have a couple truck drivers. >> Before I let him finish, u I'll let you finish in a minute. Dude, it's again, it's with this rhetoric. It's an invasion. It's an invasion. It's invasion. What are you going to do about it? He makes a point that they come over here and they have babies. Sure, the babies aren't I mean, the babies are an issue. Um, they're not American. One, two, they say it as if it's incumbent on us to outre them. >> It's a good point. >> And you can't because they're importing more on top of having more kids. It's and and then they're incentivized through systems that we've built from EBT, SNAP, welfare, whatever you name it, to have more kids. What are we supposed what are you supposed to do? What do you do about the invasion is the question. >> Well, that's a great point. And you know, to go back to my FFA teacher from high school, her thing in her classroom was you never complain about a problem unless you have a solution. And that is a lot of what we get from Republicans. It's a lot of Josh Holly yelling from behind the podium. It's a lot of this, but what is what is the solution? Right? So, say this is the problem and then you turn around and you go, okay, so what is the person in the audience supposed to take from that? What are they supposed to go? Charlie Kirk told me this is the problem and I need to start doing X. So, what is X? Well, we never get to X. It's always complain, complain, complain. And then, not to jump the gun a little bit, but a lot of what you get is, well, it's the Democrats. Oh, it's the Democrats. So it's the rhinos. And so as much as they want to say, you know, you're dumb for putting all of your blame on one particular group of people, all the all the politicians and the apparatics do the same thing. Oh, it's Congress. Oh, it's all these politicians. And it's still a lot of big blanket kind of generalizations there. Um, but the point stands, you know, we need to have real solutions and they and more than that, we need to not be afraid to say what those solutions are. >> Well, and I'm kind of curious. Uh we the three of us I mean we're hardcore Christian nationalists. We kind of have an idea of what our solution would be to all this Muslim immigration, all this foreign immigration. What is Charlie Kirk's solution to that? I wonder like you know he he's >> the Constitution. >> What like throw the Constitution at him, Josh. Just throw the Give me a Constitution so I can throw it. Just throw it at him. To be fair, to be fair, in this same exact debate, I don't know exactly where it's at, he does say Republicans verbatim, Republicans need to be harder on deportations. So, he does make a call about deportations and the Republicans need to be stronger on them. So, >> that's the that's the entire foundation of 2024 Trump campaign. The entire foundation hinged on mass deportations. The entire foundation of 2016 hinged on build the wall. You had blacks and Mexicans calling for mass deportations. There was insane precedent for it. And we're acting I mean, we should have done it in 2016, but Trump is acting like he did in 2016 where it's like, "Oh, well, it's not going to go over well. We'll do it later. We'll do it." >> I should have voted I should have voted harder now that I think about it. I think I should have voted harder. >> But that's but that's real. I mean, and you're you're spot on in the fact that we What were the signs flooding all of these rallies, right? Great campaign towards the end, right? Golden campaign, right? The golden arches, McDonald's, he's doing the dump truck. What are all the signs say? Mass deportations. Mass deportations. It don't say seal the Epstein documents. It doesn't say, you know, war with Iran. And and I'm still sitting here. The same thing happened in 2008 with Obama. What happened to all those people? They just disappeared or they were like they were immediately silenced. They're just they they didn't really care about those things. They carried, you know, signs for. I'm kind of sitting here going like where where are they all at? I would expect more push back. But again, we have people going 90 chess and Susie Wild is probably in his ear. And that's probably part of the issue is one person probably came up to him and they're like, "Well, deportations are probably going to make you look bad." And he's like, "Well, you're right. Maybe we shouldn't do that." What is going on? At the end of the day, you go, "What's going on?" >> They're still rocking Trump hats, dude. They're still rocking. Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, where's the push back, Bobby? You got to You got to give them a little push back, dude. We're not getting the deportations because you shut up and you're just riding the Trump train to wherever it goes. Trust the plan. The rails aren't going to end. Are the rails going to end? Maybe they already have. Who knows at this point? >> See some hands being raised. God bless you guys. Do you know that just the other day an illegal alien that entered in this country by the name of Harbinger Singh, one of 400,000 illegal alien refugees that Joe Biden gave commercial driver's licenses to. So 18wheel big rigs. Okay. This guy did an illegal U-turn in the middle of the day. Do you see this video? illegal U-turn in the middle of a day on a two-way high on a two-way highway in Florida goes around and kills three Americans. Everybody, there are 400,000 of them. They don't they don't read English. How can you read the street signs? How can you communicate on two-way radio? How can you talk to a police officer? How do you even know what you're carrying if you don't communicate English? You know what's happened here, everybody? We, as conservatives and Christians, we've allowed them to take our generosity for granted. They have taken advantage of us. And it is not against the individual person or you know all the great Saabb stories that we hear or whatever. But here is the kicker. The kicker is this. We need to love the nation so much that we don't care about the insults that they throw at us. We need to care about our neighbors so much that we don't want them to die by a 18 rig semitr doing a U-turn in Florida and being killed by a foreign illegal alien that was given a commercial driver's license. Even beyond that, everybody, when someone is a practicing Muslim in this country, five times a day, they are praying to another land. Imagine what that does to you. Literally, in Islam, you are pointing yourself to another nation. You're not pointing yourself to this nation. You're pointing yourself to Saudi Arabia and Mecca five times a day. One of the five pillars of Islam is to leave America and go do a haj into Saudi Arabia. We as Americans are being played as suckers as we import hundreds of thousands of people that do not assimilate, take our government benefits, infiltrate, spy, and metastasize. And President Donald Trump has a once in aundred year opportunity to say no more and you're all going home. We're going to take this country back and restore it once and for all. And some people will say, "Well, Charlie, that is hateful. That is loving to the nation." Do you know what's hateful? They're being hateful cuz they actually don't love America. We're simply calling out their hate and we're meeting their hate with a nice one-way ticket back to Moadishu. [Applause] And let's talk about what the Bible says. Every time immigration comes up in the Bible, assimilation comes right alongside of it. You must learn the customs. You must learn the language. In in the later book of Deuteronomy, Moses farewell address, he says, "Be careful who you allow into the nation of Israel because the foreigner can soon become your master." Boy, Zoron Mdani becomes the mayor of New York City. The Bible is always true, everybody. It is always true. I will close with this and I will have a great conversation with Alex McFarland. >> Okay. So, I mean he's he's about to wrap up, but um Zeb had to step out for a second. He's going to be back here in a minute. All you married guys, all you married guys with kids, you know, you're not dedicated to this thing. I mean, how dedicated can you really be? I'm pulling your leg a little bit, Zeb. This is uh you know, and uh you know, I thought this was funny. This is kind of a side point, but I saw there's a guy, I think, his name's Bener. probably follow him on X actually. He's a guy who coined Wary's law or Wendle's law and uh he's pretty funny. He posted that anybody in his group chats or in his in his communities if they are single and they're not married and they don't ask women out by the weekend they get a oneweek ban. So he was just trying to think of ideas to get men more active in the uh in the marriage scene. Thought that was it's something. It's better than nothing. >> That's an idea, dude. That's an idea. How do they prove it though? I wonder >> maybe they got to send like a a screenshot of like a text message or something. If you do it in person, I don't know how you That's even That's creepy. You're like recording yourself. Like I got to give proof to my guys. >> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. But if you're just sending screenshots of the text and maybe this is maybe this is my Jew my Jewishness coming out, I'd get one of my homeboys to send me those texts and then I would uh you know, I'd just write his like I'd change his name in my phone temporarily. >> Yeah. You'd get really good at Photoshop is what you're saying. You wouldn't get good at dating. You'd get good at Photoshop. >> If Photoshop is easier these days, man. Trust me. Um >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, let's uh you know, let's finish it up. I had a thought, but I kind of I kind of lost it there. So, we'll we'll finish this up real quick. Let me get the boop boop. Uh oh. Hold on. Messing up here, guys. Bear with me. Bear with me. We're almost there. I want to encourage all of you guys to spend as much time as you can always going back to scripture. You see, scripture is our transcendent truth standard. Everybody lives by a transcendent truth standard. Everybody, somebody might say, "Well, Charlie, I I don't believe that there is any absolute truth." And you should say, "What do you believe that?" Absolutely. Everybody believes in some sort of truth. What book, what creed, what song, what person, what tradition? Where where do you get your morals and your values from? We as Christians, we get it from the word of God. And we get it from the place that built this entire civilization from the helenic which of course is the Greek and the Hebraic which is the is the Jewish scriptures that gave us of course the New Testament. Western civilization is this moment in time where all of us can participate in the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world. But as John Adams famously said, if America ceases to be a moral and religious people, it will cease to be a free people. The constitution was simply and solely written for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the people of any other. It is not adequate for a people of modernism, secularism, materialism or another good word for Islam. What I'm what I'm saying everybody is that yes, the election of Donald Trump should give you hope and conviction. That is nothing more than scene one, chapter 1, in what will now be a multi-deade fight against the people that have been waging a war against us these last couple of decades. But rest easy. Two final thoughts. First of which, as I mentioned, younger people are coming our way. And the second of which, we are up against a force of darkness that in the end we know we win. In the end, we know that light conquers darkness. We know that Christ conquers Satan. In the end, we know that good will conquer evil. However, as it says in the scriptures, Psalm 97:10, "Let those of you who love God, we all love God, hate evil." That is in the command form. That means you can't just sit idly by and say, "Charlie, I'm not getting involved in any of this stuff cuz Jesus is coming next Thursday and I'm getting raptured." Really? Then why me all your money? Oh, you don't actually believe it. You're using it as an excuse. Esquetology is fun. You could talk about it. Yay. And you could pray for it. You see, some people are pre-trip, some people are post-trip. I'm pantrip. It's all going to pan out in the end. Okay? I'm on the welcoming committee, not the planning committee. I'm more worried about what I'm doing now more so than what I'm doing in heaven. God has a great plan for all of us. I'm sure we're going to see the activity list and we'll be blown away. Everybody, he cares about what we do here. And far too often, people get so focused on next life, I'm going to get raptured up, Charlie. It's not falling apart. It's falling together. I've heard all the oneliners. And I roll my eyes and I say, "While you are next life focused as you should be, you have never ever ever could show me a scripture where God tells you not to care about this life. He calls you to care for the children, to clothe the to clothe the poor, to feed the hungry. He cares you to fight the injustice, to to go up against evil, to educate your children." You see, far too often we've allowed the overemphasis on end times esquetology, which I'm all for. You guys can talk about it all the time and it's an important conversation, but never once should you allow it to make you paralyzed, afraid. >> So, he he's getting a he's getting a little bit long winded here. Um, but I I didn't want to let the point escape us because I actually think uh this was really good. I remember really enjoying this portion of the speech when we were there live and uh because I've got I've got a couple family members that are basically they're in that camp where it's like the end times is now. Why bother? Why bother with voting? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's all it's like he says it's all going to it's all going to pan out once Jesus comes which it is. It sounds blasphemous to say, but I definitely appreciated that he's definitely speaking to he's almost speaking to that audience and and the boomer specifically where it's like look, you know, whether you believe in the rapture or you believe you're about to die, you've got time, you're on this earth, you have to do something with that, which I appreciated. >> Right. No, exactly. And this is um you know, my parents might not even like me saying this, but I think there's a part of that element that they are kind of captured by as well. And I don't even know if it's even a lot of it a lot of it is probably inside of the rapture and people seeing like they they see what's happening in in IRL and they go, "Oh, we we must be getting close to the end." So, they just chalk up to do anything about it being meaningless. I also see a bit of it as also just like that everything we do here is like meaningless. like that earth like your life here is meaningless and it's like that kind of defeats the point. it clearly there's a purpose for us being here and this kind of is the testing ground but it is sad because this is there's a chokeold of it this this uh this lack this apathy if you will from a lot of these kind of mainstream Christian sex that has that chokes people out and when they begin to even do anything halfway meaningful that's actionable and about Christianity they're and I brought this up the other day on stream the person who is most likely to attack them first will be the person to the right in the pew going, "Oh, what are you doing? This isn't what we're about." And because there is this level of do nothing in the Christian community and then ultimately when anybody does try to do anything in the in the political sphere, they don't only take it from the left, right? The left hates them already because they're Christian, but then they also get it from the right too. And then you have people like, you know, Joel Barry and uh, you know, bring in the Babylon B crew who come out and say, "Whoa, well, this isn't how Christians are supposed to actually be. We take our orders from Israel." And it's like this isn't what we're about at all. And I'm glad we have figures like Stone Choir and Joel Webbin that push back against that narrative. >> Yeah. I think um uh that's a good that's a good point because a lot of Christians uh >> Sorry, >> I took over. I took over. I took over and then I'm over here spacing out. Sorry. A lot of Christians these days um you know it's basically like all Christians have this sense this general sense that suicide is wrong. You know we can't just uh convert to Christianity and then kill ourselves so we don't have to go through trials. So so we can just okay I'm high on my newfound faith. Let's just cut to the chase. We know we all have an intuitive sense that that's wrong. But really what is the difference in that and the rapture? That's almost like, you know, I'm a Christian and I know I can't kill myself, but I kind of hope that I die in a car wreck tomorrow just so I can I can fast forward to being with Jesus. That's like what the rapture is to a lot of people these days. And um clearly that's wrong. I mean, obviously what we d
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