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Charlie Kirk Celebrates 12 Years of Turning Point USA and Welcomes President Trump Back to Arizona
Charlie Kirk celebrates the 12-year anniversary of Turning Point USA at Dream City Church, announcing President Trump's first public appearance following his conviction. Joined by Allie Beth Stuckey, Kirk reflects on building the conservative movement from a garage in Illinois to hosting over a thousand high school and college chapters nationwide. The event marks a pivotal moment as Arizona prepares to demonstrate its support for Trump in what promises to be a historic gathering addressing faith, culture, and the future of American conservatism.
Turning Point USA's 12-Year Journey
Charlie Kirk opened the evening at Dream City Church by commemorating a milestone that few could have predicted. Exactly 12 years ago, on June 5, 2012, an 18-year-old driving home from Rockford, Illinois had what he describes as a "crazy and wild idea" - to start a youth organization aimed at saving Western civilization. That drive gave birth to Turning Point USA, which has grown from humble beginnings in a garage at 217 and a half Illinois Street to become what Kirk calls "the largest organization in the conservative movement."
Kirk reflected on the context of those early days, when Millennials were predicted to become "the most Progressive left-wing Marxist generation in history" and no sizable youth movement existed to counter that trajectory. What started with no money, no connections, and no clear roadmap has blossomed into a movement with over a thousand high school chapters and over 800 college chapters across the country.
The celebration at Dream City Church, now in its third year of hosting Freedom Night events, demonstrates the partnership between Turning Point USA and faith communities. Kirk praised pastors Luke and Angel Barnett for their willingness to host President Trump on short notice, crediting the Dream City team, especially Joe, for managing the complex logistics of a presidential visit.
President Trump's Return to Arizona
Kirk announced that President Trump would appear at Dream City Church in what will be his first public event following his conviction in what Kirk termed a "show trial." The format will be unique, with Trump taking questions directly from the audience. Kirk urged attendees to arrive early and "show the Grace of Jesus Christ when there's long lines delays and government workers that are not working fast enough," acknowledging that these events "never go quickly" despite having organized 15 or 20 similar gatherings.
The announcement drew enthusiastic support from the crowd, with Kirk emphasizing the importance of showing the world that "Arizona stands with President Trump." He called on supporters to register ahead of time using a QR code, noting that while registration doesn't guarantee entry, it helps organizers plan for attendance. All attendees will need to register to vote as well.
Kirk framed Trump's appearance as particularly significant given the timing, stating his eagerness to demonstrate Arizona's support in the face of what he characterized as the misuse of the legal system against a political opponent. "You do not get to use the legal system to make it harder for an opposition political candidate to challenge power," Kirk declared. "That is cheating you do not you are not allowed to do that."
A Busy Season for Turning Point
Beyond the Trump event, Kirk outlined an ambitious schedule for Turning Point USA over the coming days. The organization is hosting a Young Women's Leadership Summit in San Antonio, Texas, expecting over 2,000 young women leaders from across the country. The following weekend, Turning Point will host President Trump again at the People's Convention in Detroit, Michigan, alongside their Chapter Leadership Summit and Blexit event.
Kirk also announced personal news, sharing that he and his wife recently welcomed a baby boy three weeks prior, making them "card carrying members of two under two." This personal update connected to broader cultural themes that would be explored throughout the evening's discussion.
Introducing Allie Beth Stuckey
Kirk welcomed Allie Beth Stuckey, describing her as "one of the most important voices in the Christian Community and definitely the Christian conservative Community." He praised her podcast "Relatable" for its ability to communicate hard truths and biblical principles in what he characterized as a more diplomatic manner than his own direct approach. "She just said it so much sweeter than I do," Kirk admitted, while noting that Stuckey doesn't cushion difficult truths but rather presents them in "an amazingly Godly way."
Stuckey introduced herself as a wife and mother of three girls, emphasizing that her identity underneath her relationship with Jesus Christ is primarily her vocation as a wife and mom. Her podcast "Relatable" analyzes news, culture, politics, and theology from a Christian conservative perspective, targeting mostly women ages 25 to 45 with the goal of helping them build a biblical worldview.
She shared the origin story of her podcast, recounting a drive in 2016 when she realized young Christian women in her conservative college town of Athens, Georgia didn't understand what was at stake in the Trump-Clinton election. A turning point came when a young woman in her Bible study expressed support for Bernie Sanders, prompting Stuckey to recognize the need for clearer biblical teaching on cultural and political issues.
The Crisis of Femininity and Masculinity
Kirk and Stuckey engaged in a discussion about whether America faces equally serious crises of both masculinity and femininity. Stuckey traced these challenges back to the Garden of Eden, noting that Adam's sin of passivity and Eve's susceptibility to the question "did God really say" continue to manifest in modern culture.
Stuckey introduced the concept of "toxic empathy" affecting women particularly. "Because we are feelings based because we have sympathy and have empathy for those who are on the margins and we really want to build relationships we very often can confuse empathy for love," she explained. This confusion, she argued, leads Christian women into unbiblical territory on issues like social justice and LGBTQ advocacy, where feelings obscure what scripture teaches.
The discussion touched on the fundamental importance of male and female distinctions to any functioning society. "Those differences are beautiful and those distinctions are necessary for us to be able to live in a free society," Stuckey stated, noting that Satan works to obscure these differences precisely because they are so foundational.
Career, Family, and the Self-Love Deception
Kirk referenced controversial comments he made about young women prioritizing career over family formation, which drew significant criticism. He had warned that women might "end up in your early 30s with a career but no family and lots of cats." Stuckey validated the biological reality behind this concern while also offering grace for women who have genuinely sought marriage but haven't yet found the right partner.
She explained that many women have been sold "a lie that has been propagated by the media that you can become a mom whenever you can get married whenever and really right now you just need to focus on you." This self-focused message, combined with a cultural dismissal of biological realities, leads women to defer motherhood until it becomes genuinely difficult or impossible.
However, Stuckey emphasized encouragement for single women who haven't pursued careers at the expense of relationships: "God can use you fully right now where you are no matter your relationship status and no matter whether you have children... you are still fully capable of being used by God right now."
Deconstructing Self-Love
One of the evening's most significant discussions centered on the cultural obsession with self-love. Stuckey challenged the biblical basis for this concept, noting that "the only time we see this term self love is when we are reading the description of the evils of the end times in the end times people will be lovers of self."
She argued that the command to "love your neighbor as yourself" is not a command to love yourself but rather assumes self-love as a given. "No man ever hated his own flesh but cherishes it," she explained. "We love ourselves innately in that we are always seeking to satisfy our own needs and wants." The command, therefore, is to extend that natural self-concern to others in sacrificial action.
Kirk noted the irony that as self-love messaging has increased, so have suicide rates and general despair. "We have more self-love talk more self-empowerment talk less shame less stigma more tolerance more acceptance of everything and still we have this pandemic of Despair," Stuckey observed. She connected this directly to declining faith: "As godlessness has increased people have lost their Joy they've lost their purpose they've lost their Community they've lost their Hope."
The discussion identified self-love as effectively the "state-run religion of K through 12 education," alongside what Kirk termed "paganism and environmental worship anti-racism transgenderism grooming." This represents a fundamental shift from the biblical emphasis on self-control and self-denial to self-affirmation and self-fulfillment.
Speaking Truth with Love
The conversation turned to practical application: how to speak biblical truth without being credibly accused of harshness or legalism. Stuckey shared a recent three-hour debate she had with a teacher who identifies as non-binary and teaches middle school students. She demonstrated how to show compassion for someone's struggles without affirming their sin.
When the teacher shared his difficult childhood raised by two women with no father figure, Stuckey responded: "I bet that was so hard I bet that felt really terrible to feel like you aren't in the right place to feel misplaced in your own self I bet that was hard but that's where you can stop." She refused to go beyond empathy into affirmation, maintaining that "God made you a man" and that "we all have struggles and we all believe lies."
She emphasized that "the most loving thing that we can always do is agree with God," even when that results in being called names or rejected. Drawing on the example of Stephen in Acts, she noted that he was "full of grace and truth" yet was stoned to death for sharing the gospel. "We cannot judge our obedience by people's reaction to us," she concluded.
Pride Month and Miss Rachel
Kirk and Stuckey addressed the cultural phenomenon of Pride Month, with Kirk noting that "pride is a sin and an entire month dedicated to Pride probably is a piece of evidence that your culture is falling apart." He referenced Jordan Peterson's observation that reducing one's entire identity to sexual behavior represents a fundamentally flawed approach to self-understanding.
The discussion turned to Miss Rachel, a popular YouTube children's content creator with millions of subscribers who recently posted a Pride message. Stuckey had previously raised concerns about Miss Rachel inviting Dylan Mulvaney and others promoting inappropriate content to young children. When Miss Rachel defended her Pride support by claiming it aligned with her Christian faith and Jesus's command to love neighbors, Stuckey identified this as toxic empathy.
"She confuses love biblical love with that toxic empathy," Stuckey explained. "Toxic empathy says because I can feel what you feel I have to affirm what you feel is good and that's not the love of God." She pointed to 1 Corinthians 13, which defines love as something that "does not rejoice in wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth."
Stuckey emphasized the centrality of biblical marriage and gender to Christian theology: "The Bible starts with the marriage and ends with the marriage that's how important it is that we here on Earth as husband and wife are an Earthly reflection of the spiritual Eternal Marriage between Christ the bridegroom and the church." This framework, established in Genesis 1, is not subject to cultural redefinition.
Audience Questions and Cultural Engagement
The evening concluded with extended question-and-answer time, covering topics from college attendance to parenting transgender relatives to reaching Native American communities with conservative and Christian messages.
On college, Kirk was characteristically blunt, calling it "a total waste of time for most people" and noting that colleges have become "a petri dish for the worst behavior the worst actions and the worst worldview." He advised students to join Turning Point USA chapters, avoid alcohol entirely, and focus on building connections with alumni rather than expecting to gain valuable knowledge from classes.
When asked about relating to a transgender family member, Stuckey shared the testimony of Laura Perry, a detransitioner who ultimately credited her parents' refusal to affirm her claimed male identity with helping her return to truth. "It was her parents and that conservative Evangelical Church that never never wavered that always said you're a woman made in the image of God those were the people she went to," Stuckey recounted. She encouraged the questioner to stand firm, even if viewed as a bigot by family, trusting that God would use that faithfulness.
Kirk reiterated that he doesn't believe transgender identity is legitimate, characterizing it instead as a symptom of underlying mental health issues like bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, or depression. He compared it to a fever - an indicator of deeper problems rather than a diagnosis in itself. This medical approach, he argued, contrasts with American medicine's tendency toward symptom management rather than addressing root causes.
A father of two married daughters with dogs but no children received advice from Stuckey about the delicate nature of this conversation. She acknowledged that women often channel "their natural biological urge for children into plants and pets" without realizing it, which is why they become defensive when the topic is raised. She suggested that since the daughters are married, their husbands need to lead on this decision rather than the father intervening directly.
The evening closed with Kirk's reminder that the following day's Trump event represents a critical moment to demonstrate that Arizona will not accept the weaponization of the legal system against political opponents, calling it a fundamental violation of American norms that reduces the country to third-world status.
Video Transcript
[Applause] hey everybody thank you please take a seat thank you I um I'm pretty fired up I I'll tell you these uh it's going to be a fun 24 hours at Dream City don't you think so I I got to tell you a story I I just love Luke and Angel they're the best the barnetts are just so incredible so you know there there was some there were some Whispers you know president Trump might be coming back to Arizona he might be coming back to Arizona and just one thing led to the other and um you know we wanted to do this event uh trying to do some you know train uh all of you on how to chase ballots and how to engage in the Grassroots and so I was talking to their team and they were it was all sorts of different Communications going on right Luke and nothing was solidified and so I called uh Luke and Angel when they were on their way to a service on Sunday and I was like Hey so can we do this and of course they're like of course um and just just so you understand and for those you don't know president Trump is going to be here tomorrow um which is amazing and the credit to Joe and the entire Dream City team uh Joe especially Joe deserves a round of applause he's been right don't it's just a lot and uh so we this is a Fitting Place to do that uh to do this and to welcome him back to State 48 it will be a unique um kind of format tomorrow uh he'll be taking questions from all of you and uh I'll tell you this will be his first public event post show trial conviction and I can't wait to show the world that Arizona stands with President Trump so uh show up early tomorrow I bullet time to doors open 9 or 10 10 um and let's show The Grace of Jesus Christ when there's long lines delays and government workers that are not working fast enough uh we have done 15 or 20 of these and they never go quickly uh I say sometimes they go smoothish but uh it's just going to be fun uh and who here plans to show up tomorrow who's who's show that's awesome so can't wait to see all of you there it's going to be amazing and uh president Trump will be right here and we're going to be giving some remarks there um and I want to show that QR Code by the way if you want to uh register ahead of time and you not yet registered um there should be a QR code somewhere that we can um throw up there and then I want to make one more announcement and then we'll welcome up Ali be Stucky let me see if not we can um get that up there so today is also a pretty amazing day and I'll tell you the next uh 10 days at Turning Point are are are something tonight we have freedom night tomorrow we have President Trump um and then this weekend we have our young women's Leadership Summit uh in San Antonio Texas over 2,000 young women leaders uh from across the country oh there it is uh you guys can stand if you're not yet ready registered for the event tomorrow um I want to just be very clear this does not guarantee you entry but it does allow us to know who is coming and who is not coming and you are going to need to register to vote so um to and you need to register to vote too but register register to show up so um to attend so that that is the QR code there so this weekend we have our young women's Leadership Summit in San Antonio Texas next weekend in Detroit Michigan uh we're hosting the president again at the people's convention uh we also have our chapter leadership Summit and our blexit event so it's a crazy 10 days uh at Turning Point uh but today is a very special day and I want to just kind of take you back through Memory Lane uh this is June 5th 2024 on June 5th 2012 I had the crazy and wild idea as I was driving home from Rockford Illinois I a lot of things went into this and I said that's it I want to try to start a Youth Organization to try and save Western Civilization you small things that most 18-year-olds want to do and exactly 12 years ago from today Turning Point USA was born and so today is the 12 year anniversary of Turning Point USA and pretty awesome and well I'm going to show you some pictures here so we're celebrating 12 years today and the story is a only in America God story glory be to God for his grace and his kindness and his goodness uh cuz remember the context of where uh Turning Point started 12 years ago Millennials were supposed to be the most Progressive left-wing Marxist generation in history there was no sizable youth movement in America there was a little bit here and a little bit there and just by the way we are now coming up on do you know that it's three years we've been doing Freedom night in America can you believe that this is that this is three years now let's just take this event just this event alone shows the impact of how God is using Dream City Church using tpusa Faith using Turning Point USA and so I never could have imagined what would happen and so I think we have a picture of the original garage where Turning Point USA was started um so we started in a garage at 217 and a half Illinois Street there it is um and it looks much nicer than it used to uh so the way I I say it is that Apple HP and turning point USA all started in garages only in America success stories and it has just been the remarkable Journey where we started with no money no connections no idea what we were doing we now have over a thousand High School chapters across the country over 800 College chapters across the country we are I really believe the Lord has blessed this movement over the last 12 years to lead us to this year uh to lead us to what is in front of us where the stakes have never been higher and I could go through all the successes and all the wins but I just want to say thank you for those of you that pray for turning Point USA for those of you that support Turning Point USA for those of you that volunteer for Turning Point USA for those you that start chapters and run them for Turning Point USA when you are 15 years old and you start a high school chapter and you're called all these bad names I just want to say thank you you are appreciated more than I can ever put into words and what started 12 years ago on a drive back from Rockford Illinois where I came up with this idea of we'll call it turning point now 12 years later we are now the largest organization in the conservative movement hosting president Trump twice in one week and it's just only in America is a story like that possible so and only thanks to the blessing of the Lord and it came out of the Grassroots of this country as a response to the secular Godless totalitarianism that we see reigning over our country and so it really has just been my great honor to start it and the credit really also goes to the Turning Point USA staff and the people that run it every day I wish I could take credit for it but they work so hard they're in the Grassroots and you're going to see that on display tomorrow so happy birthday Turning Point USA praise God so we have a very very special guest tonight um I've known Ally for probably five or six years uh Ally is one of the most important voices in the Christian Community and definitely the Christian conservative Community you know she has an amazingly successful podcast it's called relatable right is am I right I I I I don't listen to every episode but I listen to it frequently and what I love about Ali's approach is that I will say almost the same thing that Ally says she just said it it so much sweeter than I do and I'll listen to it I like yeah I probably could have said it like that probably could have said it like that I mean you know my style right we don't really um cushion things very much we're straight to the point uh but it's not that Ally cushion it it's just that she has an amazingly Godly way of communicating hard truth and biblical truths in a world where young ladies are lacking Role Models she is a Godly role model a mother a wife someone who understands the scriptures very well and somebody that we're just honored to partner with she's going to be speaking at our Women's Summit uh at Turning Point USA this weekend um she is very very gifted and not afraid to bring the Heat against this broken culture so join me in welcoming Ali Beth Stucky are you miked up you need a m hello thank you so much we're getting an extra mic so I'm just going to fill that window thank you so much for having me this is my first time to Dream City and so thank you so much for that warm welcome this is really an exciting week ywls the first time I spoke at ywls I think was 2018 it was a lot smaller than it is now and oh my goodness it's grown every time I speak I always say this is my favorite event ever just because of the energy of all the women there and it's very unique because uh we say biological females only because that's the only type of female there is yeah we have to qualify that these days yep and uh anyway you'll be able to watch it online uh again nearly 2,000 young women from across the country will be gathering in San Antonio Texas this weekend it's a remarkable thing all becoming Force multipliers Ally why don't you just take a second introduce yourself um you know the the books you've written uh your podcast just introduce yourself to the audience sure so my name is Ali Stucky and I am a wife and a mom of three girls so that's more important or most important underneath my relationship with Jesus Christ my desire to make him known is my vocation as a wife and mom but then also I host this podcast called relatable good job getting the title of that right Charlie um where we analyze news culture politics theology from a Christian conservative perspective and I talk to mostly women ages 25 to 45 about the importance of building a Biblical world viiew and the reason I did it it was not the exact same story as Charlie's when he thought of Turning Point but it was a little similar in that I was driving one day and I just realized oh this is a big problem not 2012 this was probably 2016 I was living in a pretty conservative college town in Athens Georgia used to be conservative and I was looking around and thinking all of these young women who claimed to be Christian who were raised in these solid homes this was of course the election of trump and Hillary Clinton and they did not know anything that was at stake in the election they didn't know who they were going to vote for I was leading a Bible study at the time I was a year out of college I was leading a freshman Bible study one of the sweet girls in my Bible study who was so smart she told me that she loved Bernie Sanders and that is when I realized okay we've got work to do um and so I speak to I speak to mostly Christian women and by the way she is a wife mom Trump voting Conservative Republican today thankfully by the grace of God but um anyway and so that's why I started to do what I do now I'm speaking to mostly Christian women okay what does the Bible say about these issues how do we approach these very controversial topics today that honestly most Christian female leaders are really wishy-washy really mushy really weak on what does the Bible say about these things and of course I'm not the perfect Arbiter of what the Bible says about everything but my goal is to help us do our best in building our worldview on scripture so that's basically my mission and uh Ally is one of our most requested speakers at turning point us say and we did a campus event together in Auburn and I think that clip has been seen like 50 or 60 million times where a young lady came up and asked me where do where's my criminology degree or something it was quite a uh quite an interaction Ally let's dive right into it so frequently you'll hear that there's a crisis of masculinity in America do you think that there is a crisis equally as much of femininity yeah I think that's a great question and of course they look different and I think it really goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden we're seeing that reflected in the west today or maybe just in the world today when you look back at Adam's sin the sin of passivity when he stood there as Eve listened to the serpent and took the bite that she shouldn't have taken and then Eve hearing and being tempted to be convinced by the question did God really say and I still see that manifesting itself today among men and women women being tempted by this very deceptive and cunning question but did God really say um did God really say on the issue of marriage or on the issue of gender on the issue of gender roles whatever it is that the culture today deems controversial did God really say I like to say that women I don't like to say it but I do say it that women are typically tempted by something that I call toxic empathy because we are feelings based because we have sympathy and have empathy for those who are on the margins and we really want to build relationships we very often can confuse empathy for love and we very often can obscure the truth just because we want to affirm how someone feels and that gets a lot of women even Christian women and very unbiblical territory when it comes to social justice when it comes to lgbtq when it comes to all kinds of issues that women have a lot of maybe rightful feelings about but our feelings cannot obscure what the word of God says about these things and so I try to navigate that as much as I can so the the idea of male and female differences that's a distinction that is fundamental to any society which is one of the reasons why Satan tries to obscure those differences those differences are beautiful and those distinctions are necessary for us to be able to live in a free society and live in a civil society and we're seeing those eradicated on a daily basis I'm I I got in a lot of trouble recently when I said you might remember and you defended me by the way very nicely on social media where I and I I didn't say it as politely as Ally would have said it but I said young ladies be careful uh prioritizing career over family formation because you might end up in your early 30s with a career but no family and lots of cats I got in a lot of trouble for saying that I don't care so why talk broadly about that there is a trend and you you see you just mentioned this the most left-wing cohort in America are not black voters they're not Hispanic voters they are single unmarried care college educated young ladies living in the urban cities of this country that have made a conscious decision over a period of 10 or 15 years to not get into serious relationships and not prioritize family form formation talk about that yes many of those women have made that conscious decision they decided or they bought into this lie that has been propagated by the media that you can become a mom whenever you can get married whenever and really right now you just need to focus on you you need to find yourself you need to learn how to love yourself first if you don't fully know yourself and love yourself and discover yourself and fulfill and Empower yourself then you'll never be able to be a good wife and mom and have other good relationships well what happens when you believe that lie because it's not it's not true this whole thing that you can't love other people until you perfectly love yourself I think that's actually aive from the pit of Hell that Satan uses to defer us from loving other people because we'll never perfectly love ourselves and by the way we're not even called to focus on loving ourselves at all that's an aside but women we believe this self-empowerment talk because it sounds good and so you believe that you can defer motherhood and in an age when we think that biology is arbitrary the biology of male and female but also the biology of reproduction and the female body it sounds really convincing and then like Charlie said I may or may not have included cats as I was talking about this but it's a fair point um a a lot of a lot of women end up realizing oh I didn't realize that this would be so difficult at this point I didn't realize that I wouldn't be able to find a man right away or get pregnant very easily just because that's how female you know biology tends to work now I will say and this is what I also o said on my show because I have beautiful Godly single 30s something friends who are doing all the right things who yes they have a career because what were they supposed to do but they've been going to church they've been serving they've been trying to meet the right guy they just haven't met the right person and so I do also I always want to give encouragement to that woman who feels like oh my gosh I've tried to do everything right and I haven't met the man that that I'm going to marry and then they feel like oh Charlie Kirk thinks I'm a cat lady and I'm not um I I do want to speak to that woman because I have friends like that that are beautiful Godly women and total catches and they just haven't found the right person is that God can use you fully right now where you are no matter your relationship status and no matter whether you have children is that your life doesn't your life doesn't start at that point you're not in a holding pattern you're not in some kind of Earthly Purgatory you're not useless to the kingdom of God just because of your relationship status Satan wants you to think that you're not a full woman or you're not a full Christian until XYZ happens and that is a lie that will steal your joy and that will steal your usefulness for the kingdom of God and so it's not a guarantee one that we're going to get married it's not a guarantee that we'll will have children hopefully I mean that's what people hope for but I just want you to know that if you want those things God hasn't given you those things yet you're being you know placed in the right spot to try to have those things one day that you are still fully capable of being used by God right now that's beautiful I I totally agree I want to isolate something which tends to be more a femal driven Eastern Focus or emphas is which is selflove so what is selflove and when I sometimes hear Christians tell me that we need more self-love yeah and I I I would love to like find the Bible verse like I mean I guess it says love your neighbor as yourself that but that's not exactly I mean we're supposed to love Jesus and love God I mean it says in Deuteronomy 63 and5 love the Lord your God all your heart soul strength and mind is self- Lov biblical yeah you know the only time we see this term self love is when we are uh reading the description of the evils of the end times in the end times people will be lovers of self and today we hear oh no no no that's basically gospel that uh love your neighbor as yourself is also a command to love yourself no no no no that's not what Jesus is saying he's saying love your neighbor as yourself because loving yourself is a given no man ever hated his own flesh but cherishes is it now does that mean that we always like ourselves no we don't always like ourselves we don't always like what we see when we look in the mirror maybe we regret something that we did or we wish we could change something about our personalities or our capabilities but we love ourselves innately in that we are always seeking to satisfy our own needs and wants to quench our own thirst to satisfy our own hunger so in that way that you so naturally seek to meet your own needs Jesus is saying seek to meet the needs of other people he's not talking about affection he's not talking about liking your neighbor or liking yourself he is talking about a sacrificial kind of love that we already very naturally feel for ourselves we do not have a deficit of self-love in this country oh my goodness we do not have a deficit of self-love we have an overflowing of self-love we think about ourselves way too much we love ourselves way too much I saw an awful statistic on X today about how suicide rates are climbing and they're so much higher than they were just 10 years ago and it's so interesting because we have more self-love talk more self-empowerment talk less shame less stigma more tolerance more acceptance of everything and still we have this pandemic of Despair I mean to me it seems obvious that despair has gone up as godlessness has gone up right that as godlessness has increased people have lost their Joy they've lost their purpose they've lost their Community they've lost their Hope they've lost their faith in something bigger than themselves and when the god of scripture is no longer on the throne then we put the god of self on the throne and the god of self is a cruel God and it leads to the kind of Despair and dis encouragement that we're seeing today so no we don't need more selflove we need a lot more of God's love which looks very different and this is so important if you go into almost any public school here in Scottsdale or around the country self-love is the state-run religion of K through 12 education well also paganism and environmental worship anti-racism transgenderism grooming those are state run religions too but selflove is the one that Christians fall for far too often and here is the Ally you you said it perfectly you would think that when a society starts to love themselves more than let's just say actions of Despair suicide drug overdosing aimlessness checking out of society would go down so as we have prioritized self-esteem or self-love and we've deemphasized self-control big difference we have seen the West collapse because when you have self-love you're thinking about yourself all the time dare I I think you would agree Ally it is narcissistic at its core I'm the most important thing in the world so I'm going to go give myself a metaphorical hug and who cares if I keep on smoking weed or watching pornography because I have to love myself no the West was built on the biblical idea of Duty and obligation of what I ought to do and when you start thinking about the Divine and others more than you think about yourself you're actually happier when you think about yourself all the time you will torment yourself into just basically into a corner you can't a human being can't survive like that why do you think Christians have been become so susceptible to this where does that come from because every so often I'll hear a pastor or two kind of spite you know add in a little bit of a self love thing and just take a moment and think about yourself or you can do it if you put your mind to where does that come from yeah I guess it's a form of therapeutic Christianity um and the therapy world is very influenced by New Age philosophy and I see this a lot among Christian women um reading books that are really more new age and the idea goes like like this that we are all on a journey to find ourselves and that inside we have have this beautiful goddess that's really perfect and if we throw off all societal expectations toxic relationships people's unfair standards religion rules all of that then we'll unleash this perfect goddess inside of ourselves and everything that we've ever wanted will finally become ours and we'll finally be happy and fulfilled every single teacher every single author I know that has pushed that message behind her is broken relationships broken friendships a lot of Deceit and simply a lot of sadness that is not the journey that the Christian is on in scripture when we see self Dash something else it's never self empowerment or self sufficiency it's self denial it's self control so we already know that Unleashed we love ourselves a lot and what that self- Lov looks like is giving into every feeling and want that I have and I mean we can look at any human being we can look at all of history we can look at any toddler that we see running around and we see the terror that it looks like when someone is only concerned with what they want in any given moment so so yeah to answer your question I think it's new age therapy that has woven itself into Christianity and they think telling people that feeling better about yourself is the same thing as the gospel and it's not and I I I I I compare it to I think an entire generation has effectively lived the metaphorical King Solomon life meaning they've done everything they want to do they've had every Earthly treasure imaginable and I encourage you guys just to open up the first couple of verses of Ecclesiastes you you you'll think you're reading like a 16-year-old suicide note I'm not kidding he starts with worthless meaningless meaningless all in the world is meaningless you're like is this some sort of punk rock song or something I was about to say that and essentially no it's King Solomon who goes on and on about how every nothing has any meaning and it's all terrible and awful now the book ends actually in a much better place because he says it actually has meaning thanks to God but understand the context this is King Solomon who had everything you could possibly imagine as Jesus says even Solomon all of his Splendor would not be clothed the idea of Solomon's riches is beyond anything you imagine anything the flesh desired Solomon had as many wives as you would want as many robes as you want as much land as territory conquering people at his beckoning call and the guy is writing I'm just I'm nothing matters everything is meaningless and again I the whole generation has effectively lived that life which is Hedonism at its core pleasure first above all I will worship myself and I will not die to myself for Christ and we're seeing the the um ramifications of that Ally our job is hard because our job is to tell a broken culture to basically repent from their vices and to go through a chapter that might be uncomfortable but it's actually better for them it's trying to get a country to take the metaphorical cough medicine essentially and the church is supposed to be the one issuing that correction to the error how do we best do that and I don't think I do it the best I just know that I can I'm more on the truth side than on the The Love and Truth side um me too and I just how do we best correct a broken culture without running the risk of being let's just say credibly accused of being legalistic or too harsh by credibly I mean outside of the nonsensical fake Christians that that issue those criticisms towards us yeah you know what you said reminded me of something and we see a lot of videos of deconstruction I'm sure youall have heard of EX evangelicals or the deconstruction movement and especially in the month of June happy pride month everybody actually it's it's noea Covenant month that's why everyone has the rainbows around right we're celebrating God's promise happy Sodom and gorra month is what we yeah um so so it it made me think of something because I whenever I hear uh the deconstruction testimonies of people who say oh I know everything that you guys believe because I was raised believing that too and now I'm so much smarter on the other side because I don't believe it they'll say things it usually has to do with their sexual sin and they wanted to give into their sexual sin or their friend sexual sin and they didn't want to tell their friend that they're in sin and they'll say something like you know I tried to repent of that or I tried to pray away that struggle or I tried you know being holy and I just couldn't do it and I'm like oh someone along someone along the way of your faith told you that it was going to be easy someone told you that this sanctification business was going to be fun all the time someone told you that we would just be able to pray our struggles away and they would be gone the next day and that's what the Christian Life was going to look like no one ever told you that self-denial is going to be hard from here until glory and so a lot of the deconstruction movement I think is actually because of unfair expectations that are placed on them by pastors who say that Christianity is all about just being happy and loving yourself when it's not we get something so much better through Christ we get Liberation from our sin and of course freedom from sin and sorrow forever and ever in heaven with him but now I'm forgetting what your what your question was cuz I went on my side what what did you ask I I can't remember either so um okay it was something I I interjected about Pride mon how do we how do we speak the truth in oh that's right no no no no now I'm remembering yeah so uh I I was saying that how do we credibly how do we speak the truth without credibly being accused of being too harsh too legalistic again I I try to do that balance I think I end up getting a little bit too in the truth side but I mean let's just give an example I mean a young lady you know comes up to you at at a college event she says that she's a practicing lesbian or what you know whatever how do we navigate all of us have those conversations all of us have those friends how do we be love and truth truth and Grace as Christ was both those things yeah so I recently had the opportunity I don't always have this opportunity I don't go on college campuses in the same way that you do and have those interactions with people I disagree with every day but I had this almost 3our debate on another podcast with a teacher who calls himself of course this is not something that's real but he calls himself non-binary and he has a very large Tik Tok platform he is a teacher of I think middle school students and he's always talking about these things he has his degree in statistics from Dartmouth he went to John's Hopkins for his education degree so he really felt like he brought a lot to the table when we were debating gender ideology and I had the opportunity to really minister to him in that conversation without backing down at all I mean I did not back down one cinem meter not even a little bit because the truth is so obvious and it's so easy and I did not have to give Credence to anything he said but when he told me which was not surprising at all that he was raised by two women that he had no dad in his life and really no father figure at all and that he was very confused by the time he was a teenager and he felt like he was in the wrong body it was that moment that I got to say I bet that was so hard I bet that felt really terrible to feel like you aren't in the right place to feel misplaced in your own self I bet that was hard but that's where you can stop you do not have to go beyond that and then affirm their feelings I bet that was really hard but God made you a man I bet that was really hard but we all have struggles and we all believe lies and we're all uncomfortable in this life and in our bodies and God sent his only son to free us from those lies and the burden of sin that is the good news that's the good news not that you get to stay in your sin no Jesus said that his burden is light and his yoke is easy the burden of sin is heavy the Yoke of sin is really hard and if we believe that if we believe the gospel then the most loving thing that we can always do is agree with God the most loving thing we can always do and will you still get people who are mad at you will you still get people who say you're mean you're a bigot of course they crucified Jesus do we think that we're going to be let off the hook I mean when you look at for example Stephen he was full of grace and truth Jesus full of grace and power Stephen Full of Grace and Truth I think I didn't switch those up but it's basically the same principle Stephen he stood there and he just shared the gospel to those men what happened to Stephen did they accept him did he get to write an oped in the New York Times he was stoned to death and so we cannot judge our obedience by people's reaction to us so Ally I want to just cover one more thing here then we'll do some questions uh it is uh remember pride is a sin and uh an entire month dedicated to Pride probably is a piece of evidence that your culture is falling apart let's just be honest and I want to say this as fairly as one can say it that Jordan Peterson his credit had a great clip on this I want to make sure I give him credit CU he hasn't spoke out about this in the past if you have reduced your entire identity to your sexual behavior and that is who you identify as that that is a that how do I say this um that is a very um that that is not the best way that you should present yourself to the world and nor should we accept that from people that we truly love that's the best way I can say it is that if your sexual behavior is the most important thing to you that's really weird let's just be honest that that that's the most important thing not your character not how you treat other people not your relationship with the Divine not not the things that actually matter and remember before the fall is pride pride goeth before the fall and Beth destruction so it is pride month um it's so interesting so we have a 21-month-old we just welcomed a baby boy by the way 3 weeks ago praise God and so Alie and I both uh we are now card caring members of two under two which I'm told is uh you get extra points for that we're enjoying every minute of it and uh so the so interesting we we try to not watch a lot of TV but every so often you know you try to try to kids program for 20 minutes or something and there is this really creepy woman that pops up on your YouTube well before this stuff Miss Miss Rachel what a weird person this is and I never liked her and I was like she's never allowed on my TV there like there's something wrong a total groomer Vibes like big eyes like very strange do you know who I'm talking about anybody um I think she's a total s up from something and what happened this last week Ally with Miss Rachel oh see I probably wouldn't have described her in that way but to be fair to be fair a lot of people agree with Charlie uh my she has these bug eyes and she's like very weird okay I don't know Miss Rachel personally we've also never watched Miss Rachel difference in my home but she does seem this but this is where it gets dangerous she does seem very sincere and very sweet and she a couple years ago and I talked about it on my podcast at the time and people freaked out about it because she invited Dylan mulany the grown man who calls himself a girl and got famous from dressing up basically like a six-year-old girl on Tik Tok uh she invited him on her show that collaboration hasn't happened yet she also had someone who was presenting herself as going by they them and inviting the young audience to drag shows in Chicago but her videos were still about speech they were about ABC so 10 million subscribers on YouTube extremely popular even among you know Christian women millions of followers on Instagram well this month she gives a special Pride message saying happy Pride if you don't want to follow me I don't really care God bless go your own way but I'm going to celebrate Pride she follows back up saying the reason I celebrate Pride she says is because of my Christian faith because Jesus tells me to love my neighbor as myself and there are no exceptions um and so miss Rachel as sincere and as sweet as I think that she probably is she confuses she confuses love biblical love with that toxic empathy toxic empathy says because I can feel what you feel I have to affirm what you feel is good and that's not the love of God the great news is here's great news is that we cannot out love God God is love 1 John 4:1 God is love that means love is not love God is love and in 1 Corinthians 13 he is so great ious to give us Clarity on what love is it's a lot of things it's patient it's kind it also does not rejoice in wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth and so it is never loving to affirm someone's sin that God who is love told us what marriage and gender is in the very first chapter of the first book of the Bible That's how much it mattered it's subject to cultural whims or political definitions or social changes it's rooted in creation that God made us male and female the Bible the Bible starts with the marriage the Bible starts with the marriage and ends with the marriage that's how important it is that we here on Earth as husband and wife are an Earthly reflection of the spiritual Eternal Marriage between Christ the bridegroom and the church search the bride two men can't be that two women can't be that that's how important it is that's how Central the definition of marriage is I love it amazing let's start lining up for questions um also can you uh just throw up the QR code for the event tomorrow I want to make sure that's up there just for a little bit in case people need that um let's start line we have we have a good amount of time for questions and just so you know uh Miss Rachel is very very I mean like incredibly popular I mean some of these videos have like 200 million views and they're for speech delayed young people uh for like Toddlers and and stuff um I'm sure a competitor is going to emerge but um I hope sure hope so and by the way I've been told that there's other gay like little imagery that's in her videos too really I haven't seen that that's what some people have been saying who knows all right we'll start uh we'll start right here how we doing my man hey I'm good um so I was just wondering if you were going to be at the Trump thing tomorrow I mean I know it's not related but I just really like I I I'll see if I can fit into my schedule uh yes I I I will be I will be here bright and early and um yeah just trying to make sure that we have organized chaos say yes follow up to that um are you gonna be talking to him uh I I will be yeah what would you what would if you could what message should I bring to Mr Trump say hi to me in the crowd all right you got it I love it I will say for I will say to him though please keep fighting please keep fighting please keep fighting we have your back I'm going to tell him that and um I I I'm very biased allly knows this I I've known the family for a while I know him very well uh I think with the conviction all of a sudden people that might not have been political they realize that this is such a violation of the normal American rules and customs of how we operate as a society you do not get to use the legal system to make it harder for an opposition political candidate to challenge power that is cheating you do not you are not allowed to do that and the entire election can be summarized in that immigration is important economy is important but just as a statement of principle we will not put up with America becoming the third world period we will not allow that to happen okay yes sir hi this question is for Ally my name is Jeff and I'm not your normal demographic but I'm a card carrying related bro so nice thank you love your podcast so how do I ask this uh I have a just turned 14-year-old daughter loves Jesus straight A student great girl but is struggling with what you talked about uh to let go of trying to Center things around what she wants and all too often at home it ends in frustration and emotions all over the place and we pray for her and we talk to her she even knows the verse if you f if you seek to find yourself you'll lose it but if you seek to Lose Yourself you'll find it so forth and she's still struggling mightly with that what suggestions do you have to encourage and help her with that yeah you know I only have experienced as having been that teenage girl not parenting that teenage girl so I can't come from that uh perspective it does sound yes of course it's sinful for anyone to Center ourselves but uh it sounds like a lot of normal teenage girl stuff and as long as it truly is a struggle and this is true for all of us and what I mean by that when a lot of people say oh I'm struggling with this sin are you struggling with that sin or are you just sinning and feeling bad about it that's not a struggle and so if she is actively trying through the grace of God to resist that selfishness maybe even not in a legalistic way but give herself goals of selflessness and charity and generosity and putting other people before herself every day she has reading her Bible she's surrounding herself with other Godly girls and she is praying I mean that's the struggle of sin against sin that all of us are in right now it just manifests itself in pretty wide wild ways when you're an emotional teenage girl but you know what Dad you are doing a really good job all right so uh Charlie I know you're a little iffy on the college uh maybe being a scam or what not but I want to know um so next year I'm attending Baylor University a private Christian conservative school so I want to know like what's the best advice you give me to not only succeed academically but also with my faith sure so why are you going to college um I think uh I am very well with school and and uh my parents have taught me that and I think it's the best idea for me I played Sports in high school but I just knew basketball like wasn't my money maker so I think school is and I just think it's going to be a great uh experience no no cool but why are you going to college uh I think just for um my job path and uh to be Finance I think it's okay cool yeah that's a good so you're starting Finance or business so yeah you don't need to go to college for that but that's good I'm GL I'm glad I I I hope hope it works out um so Baylor super woke just so we're clear it's not conservative it's not Christian like at all um and they're increasingly LGBT increasingly leftwing I'm giving you a hard time because you're a guy you could handle it if you know but to be honest like college is a total waste of time for most people um you might meet a couple cool people um maybe you'll meet your wife uh it's a total scam I hope you're not borrowing too much money um no okay good so but yeah look I think that and I can say this from Authority I visited more college campuses in the last decade than any other person we run a national college organization um they make you take classes that have no application to your major I'll tell you just one quick example we have an intern that goes to Ohio State University he has to now graduate another six months later than his original four years because they added all these new diversity classes so he has to ex he has to now go pay to go to class another six months for another $25,000 because of diversity Equity inclusion CRT I cannot put into words how unnecessary College is for our best and brightest now some some can succeed and again I'm not trying to make you feel bad or like whatever but um look make the most of it and if you feel like it's a waste of time just drop out I mean I I know that sounds like I know your mom's going to like throw something at me or whatever but but this is important which is and I I I will challenge every parent out there that might not like what I'm saying which is if you had to choose this is actually a really good question for parents to ask your kid going to college ask your kid going to college when I raised you do you think I would prefer that you get a college degree or be a good person and have your son or daughter answer that back to you it would be a very interesting thing and vast majority of kids will say oh my my parents would much rather have me get a college degree it is it college degrees are way more valuable in High Society than being a person of good character or you know again one of the reasons I hate college is that it is a pet Tre dish for the worst behavior the worst actions and the worst worldview you become a worst person at most colleges and again it doesn't mean that you you have to but you're constantly surrounded by hookup culture premarital sex getting blackout drunk drug usage bad worldviews deconstructionism so what can you do join the Turning Point USA chapter is number one right uh because we are a hedge against those things um and yeah look I I know you might think that I'm being fair to the college thing but I think I have been rather Vindicated this last year when we saw this Hamas garbage happening on campuses across the country I'm just saying and and I I I say this with no exaggeration that is just a taste now if you are going to go here's the cool thing you can decide to become a better person but it's going to take a lot of work a lot of self-control the holy spirit being like I'm not going to drink for four years like I'm not going to do it I'm not going to have any alcohol like that that would actually make a college experience awesome I'm going to go spend extra time with professors I'm going to leverage this to meet the best alumni Baylor and to become by the way the number one thing that college gets you is not knowledge they don't teach you anything it's connections or people which again you don't need college for that but like it is learning from the alumni and getting the piece of paper so that people take you seriously so anyway that's my piece of advice and then just being like you know meeting some rich people from Dallas and maybe their dads can hire you once you graduate sorry if that was too blunt this kind of how I am hi Charlie my name is Kevin and uh by the way happy birthday and I've been here for the true birthday you're right I was like it's not my birthday oh it's for the last three years I've missed about four of these nights so I just want to say congratulations on your your birthday Ally thank you very much for being here tonight we've really appreciated your views I have a personal friend oh and I by the way I have a comment after the question uh I have a personal really Qui I have a personal friend who is raising a gay daughter what would be the best advice you could give to me to bring it up in conversation to help him guide her in a different path perhaps Al yeah that can be a really difficult thing to navigate especially as a friend um there is this really good book it's called tactics by Greg kok and something I love about this book is that he says in every conversation that we have we're we're getting the person closer to truth and closer to Christ it's not that in every conversation we're trying to win the argument or that we're taking the ball into the endzone I think that's the correct terminology in every conversation um you are inching them closer to the truth and that means that you can start by asking him questions that make him think about it in a way that maybe he's never thought about it before so have you talked to your daughter about this what about this um what do you think about when the Bible says this if you ask him questions based on scripture and what God's word says about sexuality and the importance of raising our children in the Lord and admonishing them and what is right what God says about sexuality make him think about it a little bit more see if he'll read a book that you suggest to him about someone there's lots who used to live a gay lifestyle and then came to Christ and completely repented of that there are a lot of ways that you can help push your friend towards Christ without alienating them right away because they might be offended that's always a possibility um but cultivating and planting those seeds and making him think you never know how God is going to water and give growth to your efforts in pushing him towards what's true yeah really quick yeah briefly Charlie convey to 45 tomorrow that we've got is is back I will say that thank you and and and you guys showing up tomorrow will will will remind him of that cuz this is his first public event tomorrow post show trial conviction yes sir oh I'm sorry I just have two questions um I know like uh one thing that like really upset Jesus was when like people were selling stuff inside of the church he like flipped over tables and stuff how do you feel about like uh people like selling their books and and you know kind of making a market Market Place of the church so you say and also my second question would be I know that like one of the big things he mentions over and over is idol worship and Idol and Idol and Idol do you feel like um like caffeine and social media are kind of like underlooked in the church community and like kind of no one really like says anything about it or mentions it they might like mention it a little bit but it's not very like it's not spoken of as like an idol it's such an interesting question uh I'll let you do the marketplace I was going to say I'll let you do that well well for no I want to talk about caffeine being an idol um cuz if that's an idol I got a lot of repenting to do um I'll tell you what um so yeah look I I'll first say um I don't know how caffeine could become an idol uh I actually think caffeine is a different type of drug because it actually at its best is used to make you more productive which is why I have a lot of it um in fact I I've had I'm actually on a 90-day caffeine fast cuz I had way too much caffeine for a long period of time um you actually don't need caffeine as much as you think you do but anyway that's a separate issue so I guess I'm I think that's how it can become an idol when you depend upon it for energy that you don't like like I do that I do that like oh I can't read my Bible until I have my coffee and then sometimes you don't get around to reading your Bible cuz you just wanted the coffee so I think sometimes s it could become an idol I I will say though that the the idol that is not talked about is gluttony in the church that is legit and that that is the the Indulgence culture of food that is bad for you and Lifestyles that defile the temple that God has given you which is your body that one I can agree with as far as the marketplace I mean look I I will say that in certain circumstances if you if you're if you run a church and you're trying to like personally Prof Prof from it then yeah of course obviously but no I I have no problem with somebody that makes their living off of like selling a book or whatever um as long as it's done Tastefully and voluntarily I I I find no problem with that whatsoever so yeah and it also he said like you've turned my house into a dent of robbers and so there was a lot of exploitation going on there and it wasn't just Commerce it wasn't just simple supply and demand there was exploitation of the poor cheating that was was going on there the temple wasn't being used for the worship that it should have been used for like I don't think it's wrong for a house of worship that is truly dedicated to worshiping the Lord but like there's also a bookstore there to sell books I don't think there's anything wrong with that thank you hi my name is elizab Patton I'm taking over the Turning Point chapter at my school next year as a freshman I'm extremely Christian and conservative and strong my beliefs however I have a second cousin who's transgender all my extended family supports them and I have had multiple arguments with family members about it how do I go about being loving toward them but also standing firm in my beliefs um how how old is that individual I am not sure like uh under 18 or above 18 above 18 above 18 okay um Ally do you have a thought on First on that i' I have several but uh sure uh I've had the I've had the privilege of interviewing a lot of D transitioners and there's one her name is Laura Perry and I won't tell her whole story but she tried to live her life as a man for several years there were lots of reasons why she thought that that would make her happy she changed her body she took hormones she realized okay this is just not working but she had for a period of time alienated herself from her Christian conservative parents who would never call her Jake and would never call her he him and for a while she thought well they're just bigots their church are bigots and I don't want to be around them well the Lord ended up softening her heart she ended up transcribing some Bible verses for her mom's Bible study and while she was doing that the Lord used his word as he does to start to convict her and to change her heart and then long story short she became a Christian she is an amazing testimony she's married now of course she's living is what she always has been a woman but what she says when she shares her testimony is that the first people that she went to after her conversion and after she realized she had to detransition were the people that always called her Laura were the people that never wavered the people that never affirmed the deceit in her life the people that affirmed her deceit are the people who helped her ruin I don't want to say ruin her body but irreversibly change her body but it was her parents and that conservative Evangelical Church that never never wavered that always said you're a woman made in the image of God those were the people she went to so for now you might be the family member that everyone says H she just doesn't get it she's just ignorant she's just backwards she's a bigot and that could be hurtful I don't want to minimize that but I promise you you standing for truth is one obedience to God that's what matters end of story but two God will use your obedience I promise you I don't know how and I don't know when in this person's life it might be 50 years he or she might look back and say you are the only one that stood for me so keep standing strong F first love that you're running the Turning Point chapter that's amazing uh secondly I I will say this that I do not believe that someone is actually transgender I don't believe that's a thing I know that is a provocative view but it is it is rooted in the the Bible it's rooted in Scripture and it's rooted in biology what do I mean I mean that the person might think they are something that they are not but they do not become the other thing just because you think the thing the ramifications of accepting transgenderism as normative identification is civilizational ending it is you can choose your age you could change your choose your race you can choose your income level you could choose whatever you want based on mental status so there has Dr Miriam gross who was here I encourage you to Rel listen to that uh podcast it was amazing when she was here she said it great which is that there's almost never a case of somebody that has transgenderism that does not have underlying undiagnosed bipolar schizophrenia depression generaliz generalized anxiety disorder or other issues alongside of it so transgenderism most times 99.9% of the time is a symptom so for example if Ally all of a sudden says I have a fever that tells us nothing she could have a bacterial infection she could have covid her appendix might burst she there's like 500 different reasons why human beings break into a fever so transgenderism is a fever it is a symptom and so we are trying to treat a symptom without actually going to the root cause which unfortunately American medicine is all about symptom management and not trying to get to root causes far too often that's a systemic problem across the board so thank you so much this question's for Ally I like her delivery a little better but if Charlie soft he can I got two daughters I no offense taken okay when when two daughters when you need to go storm the city you know call me so all right I got two daughters both career women and they have dogs and as a father I've tried to get into the conversation I was wondering if on your relatable website if you got any material or maybe you can just roleplay some reason for me to break into that subject matter without getting them angry with me you mean they have dogs that they use as replacement for children yes yes so this is a very sensitive conversation and because women young people do not realize they are channeling their natural biological urge for children into plants and pets um they don't realize that they think oh no this is just an amazing dog and I just love this dog so much this is my baby no the reason why you're so attached to that dog is because you're supposed to be having a baby right now your biology is telling you that now again I'm not saying that every single woman in that situation has chosen that I'm not saying that but many have and that's why they get defensive because this has become their baby it has neurologic like that's that's what's going on there and so that is a difficult conversation obviously you got to start with finding the right man and then marriage if you're talking about wanting them to have children I think that's I think that's what you're saying do you need to clarify am I wrong you're both married oh they are both married oh sorry I missed that I missed that portion okay that's a whole bigger issue and so then their husbands are not leading very well and as much as I know you as an awesome dad want to step in and say uh don't you want to have kids at the end of the day their husbands need to be the ones to step up and to make that decision not that I'm not trying to just Hawk my book but this is something I talk about in my book it's called you're not enough and that's okay Escaping The Toxic culture of self-love um and I wrote it a few years ago and we talk about that replacing babies with pets and plants it's a huge problem what venue are you on Rumble you yeah you can listen to my well it's on YouTube you can watch it on YouTube and you can listen to it um wherever you listen to podcast and you can get the book wherever you buy books um president Trump was gracious enough a couple years ago to come on the show and um so that was fun maybe my most fun guest ever if I do say so so got to do it again yeah thank you hi um I am standing in for Native Americans all over the United States and I do have a question um well two but I'll just do one um so how can us um children of God or people who go to Native Americans that go to church um be influential and encouraging to other Native Americans on the reservation especially the Navajo Nation because it's one of the biggest parts of um Arizona and their votes are very important to whoever is um going to be elected in in the Arizona State um to become it's very hard for Native American women there's a stronghold on that of becoming submissive wives and being um loving and you know gentle and caring mothers just because a generational of abuse and a lot of mothers there they come from um for me um I'm the only one who's saved in my family so I don't have a mother um figure to look up to Who Um can love their child the way God would want to and dream city has been a big influence on my life I'm thankful and um so what would you what can how can we become more influential on the reservation as mothers and as um leaders in political ways okay well first God bless you it's so unbelievably important and um I would love to visit Apache County I learned that now nation's in Apache County not Navajo County it's a interesting thing um I I'd love to have visit and do some stuff first of all um let's just make sure this this is mentioned number one um Community with a lot of addiction right and a lot of problems and so only Jesus Christ can set the Native Americans free from that addiction and that cycle of addiction and so you must be relentless in sharing that um number two uh there is still a lot of paganistic folklore that exists in you know native backgrounds and so the Christianity is against a lot of that paganistic folklore and which is why you say you know the only one that saved um but look this I I see a huge movement in traditionally left-wing populations Native American Hispanic black communities that are increasingly open um to the conservative message this is an this is a difficult thing to communicate but Native American reservations I are by far some of the most messed up places in America and it's largely because of government policies of subsidizing the worst behavior of massive amount of social welfare state and if you want the real tragedy it's we mistreated the native population legitimately 150 years ago like there's no spin like just the way it is and now we've continued to mistreat them in the name of compassion the last 100 years is that Native Americans deserve better than non-stop government programs and addiction and Welfare Pro so I don't know how it is one of the hardest things is to convince people that are not free that they should pursue Liberty and I'm sure you live amongst that every single day I visited a lot of reservations they they're very depressing I'm just I'm sorry they're they're wonderful people but the amount of addiction broken families uh is is very hard to witness so we'd love to to work with you and um keep on spreading the gospel and the good news so God bless you thank you we'll take a couple more okay yeah hey first I wanted to say I love both of you guys' platforms I've been a solid relator bro for a good year and a half thank you so much uh what I wanted to ask is what is your best advice for a young Christian strongly conservative teen boy to not to to to stay strong in my beliefs and not you know stray away to the left and you know become an atheist despite push back from any you know future hypothetical friends or just pressure I might face graduating high school in a couple years I would say one of the most important things so I did go to college I'm not recommending going to college but I did go to college and Charlie is 100% right about college by the way I learned everything I need to know like by 12th grade it was just a few actions that I'm thankful for and then I ended up meeting my husband from that so that was worth it but the thing that kept me sane that kept me from becoming a communist in college was immediately surrounding myself by like mind with like-minded people immediately joining a local church immediately joining a Bible study immediately joining the campus ministry immediately getting to know a variety of Christian families in the city who I started babysitting for all of those people and the structure that they created around my life and holding me account accountable and keeping me solid like there's so much power in looking around and realizing oh I'm not the only one that's what I would say you have to surround yourself with people that are godlier than you are that are stronger than you are that are more sure about their faith and their belief system than you are so that they can sharpen you as iron sharpens iron so doesn't have to be 10 friends it can just be one solid friend but try as much as you can to avoid isolation and surround yourself by people who make you better thank you and join the local Turning Point chapter yes ma'am we we'll we'll do uh one more here one more there so we'll do three more okay yes hi uh my name is Sydney um you're getting a lot of college questions but I plan on attending gr Ken University in the fall um I understand how it's a little bit of a touchy subject especially in the conservative World um I was wondering if both of you would speak into this because what I'm struggling with with college is that it's I'm told a lot by conservative media by Christians that it's not necessary for you your spiritual growth your professional growth but no one will hire me without a college degree and I say this not try like I I've tried so I actually applied for a turning point internship ship and I was told that I had to either be in my second year of college or an equivalent and so it's hard to do anything and I hope this isn't come across argumentative who told you that I was um I was told to check back again and then the internship process told me I couldn't app was that for hiring or internship um it it was probably internship it was an internship on your website just apply for a job so the founder didn't go to college so um but yeah so it's just been really hard for me because I've been told I'm not yet old enough or I don't have the experience or people won't hire me without like the work ethic that they know I have if I have a degree so it's I'm going through this process and I'm I'm not saying I'm not looking forward to it because I believe college has a lot of things to offer especially because I'm going my dad's a pastor in the area so I already I'm very grounded in my faith I'm very grounded I have a great group of friends who are also Christians so that's not what I'm going for I'm just being told I can't progress in my life without a college degree by people who say that college is bad so I don't really know where to go yeah so I mean look I'll someone's going to get handled um so yeah that's what I was doing so no um but so let me ask you a question uh what what's more important uh happy healthy family or career for your life oh family all Okay cool so so so you're you're so in college just you know if you want to find a husband that's a great place to do that um potentially and honestly it's probably worth it because a lot of people can't find husbands so getting an MRS degree is totally legit um no I'm tot like no I'm not I'm not diminishing that by the way if you say I'm going to college find a husband like I totally respect that like absolutely worth $150,000 like absolutely um a lot more no think right Ally like that's not a joke like I mean finding your life partner like of course you should go into debt for that absolutely but look it's just a lie I mean I don't know how else to say it um it depends on what you want to do peopl
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