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September 7, 2018

Charlie Kirk arrives at a protest against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation and attempts to engage demonstrators in conversation. What follows is a revealing encounter about free speech, assembly rights, and the reluctance of protesters to defend their positions. Kirk faces accusations of racism, attempts to be removed from public property, and encounters repeated refusals to engage in dialogue. The exchanges highlight a broader pattern Kirk observes: the connection between opposition to free speech and unwillingness to debate ideas on their merits.

Confronting Protesters on Public Grounds

Charlie Kirk showed up at the U.S. Capitol during protests against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation, camera in hand, ready to engage with demonstrators. What he encountered was a pattern of avoidance, hostility, and attempts to silence him on public property.

The interaction began when Kirk attempted to ask protesters what rights they believed would be taken away if Kavanaugh were confirmed to the court. Almost immediately, he was met with accusations and resistance rather than substantive answers.

Accusations of Racism and Identity Politics

One of the first exchanges captured the absurdity Kirk sees in modern political discourse. A protester called him racist, to which Kirk responded with bemusement: "I'm racist? I have a black communications director. How am I racist?" He pressed for an actual explanation, asking "no, no, seriously," but the accuser simply walked away rather than defend the claim.

Kirk later noted how quickly identity politics entered the conversation: "What's interesting, the Republican Party... so here's what I said, why is it as the South got less racist it got more Republican?" He was pointing to a historical irony that often goes unaddressed in political debates about race and party affiliation.

The Permit Controversy and Free Speech

Things escalated when someone associated with the protest group attempted to remove Kirk from the area, claiming they had a permit and were only allowing people from their group to film. Kirk stood his ground, questioning the fundamental premise of the demand.

"Charlie, is this your camera?" someone asked. "It is," Kirk confirmed. The response came: "We actually have a permit for this area, so we're only allowing people to film that are actually with our group."

Kirk wasn't having it. "We can go talk to the Capitol police if you would like," he offered. When told he should have them come tell him he couldn't be on U.S. federal government property, Kirk posed a fundamental question: "Isn't speech and assembly fundamental to our republic? I mean, you're kicking me out of..."

The protester interrupted: "I'm kicking you out because you're here putting people on camera without their consent." Kirk pointed out the contradiction: "Hello again, I'm doing great. Well, you do have like cameras everywhere."

When told to calm down, Kirk responded, "Hey, thanks a lot. I am being calm." He then posed a direct challenge: "So if I step in here I'm being a problem, but I'm here I'm not, so what happens if I'm here? It's public." Someone acknowledged, "I mean, the Capitol police here, just permit is a permit to assemble, not to discriminate or right to free speech though."

Predicting Kavanaugh's Confirmation

Kirk confidently predicted the outcome the protesters were rallying against: "Some Trump supporter. Thank you for clearing that up, we should. Thank you, he's pretty happy, he's gonna get confirmed."

Addressing the protesters directly, he continued: "This is buddy, he doesn't talk, he's my shadow. You guys gonna like freak out when he actually gets confirmed because that can be like a really bad day here for you all. This effort, all this commotion..."

He then laid out exactly how the Supreme Court would shift: "Court will go 5-4, will be Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Alito, Thomas, Roberts. And maybe when Ginsburg... oh, he's gonna go 6-3, 7-2. Then what?"

The Silent Treatment

Throughout the encounter, Kirk repeatedly tried to engage protesters in actual conversation about their beliefs and concerns. He approached one person named Jim: "We got a new one here, what's your name? I'm Jim, nice to see you. What don't you like most about Kavanaugh?"

The response he received was telling: "You should pay attention to the speakers." Kirk replied, "Oh, I've been, I've been trying."

He attempted another conversation when he saw someone with a meaningful shirt: "Someone said protection of the vulnerable, but if you want to protect the vulnerable, how can you not protect the unborn?" The person's response was to say "Don't touch me," despite no indication Kirk had done so.

Kirk tried again: "How are you? What does your shirt mean?" Again, he received the silent treatment.

A Pattern Emerges

Kirk reflected on what he was witnessing: "It's amazing. What I find amazing... I always love talking to people I disagree with. I can't get people to talk to me. Amazing."

He concluded with an observation that tied the entire encounter together: "Actually does add up to why the left hates speech, free speech. Here makes a lot of sense."

The implication was clear: if you can't defend your positions in open dialogue, you have every incentive to shut down speech rather than engage with it. The protesters who gathered to oppose Kavanaugh's confirmation, when given the opportunity to articulate their concerns to someone willing to listen and respond, chose instead to accuse, avoid, and attempt to silence.

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[00:00] what rights would be taken away if it

[00:01] gets put on the court right to be help

[00:03] me get these signs interesting cabin oh

[00:12] [Laughter]

[00:17] I'm racist

[00:19] I have a black communications director

[00:20] how am i racist no no seriously that's

[00:23] an a leftist walks away this is an

[00:25] interface yeah yeah I lost you for a

[00:37] second come on man have at least a sense

[00:40] of humor about it how do you feel about

[00:42] sex education actually you and I

[00:44] actually might have some agreement on

[00:45] that how are you nice to see you Charlie

[00:48] is this your camera it is we actually

[00:50] have a permit for this area so we're

[00:52] only allowing people to film that are

[00:54] actually with our group we can go we can

[00:57] go talk to the capital police if you

[00:58] would like I love that you should have

[01:00] them come and tell me I can't be on US

[01:01] federal government property isn't speech

[01:09] and assembly fundamental to our republic

[01:12] I mean you're kicking me out of I'm

[01:14] kicking you out because you're here

[01:16] putting people on camera with their

[01:18] consent hello again I'm doing great

[01:24] well you do have like cameras everywhere

[01:28] hey thanks a lot I am being calm ready

[01:32] so if I step in here I'm being a problem

[01:34] but I'm here I'm not so what happens if

[01:38] I'm here it's public I mean the Capitol

[01:41] police here just permit is a permit to

[01:44] assemble not to discriminate or right to

[01:50] free speech though some Trump is thank

[01:53] you for clearing that up

[01:54] we should it thank you he's pretty happy

[02:03] he's gonna get confirmed this is buddy

[02:05] he doesn't talk

[02:06] he's my shadow you guys gonna like freak

[02:08] out when he actually gets confirmed

[02:10] because that can be like a really bad

[02:12] day here for you all this effort all

[02:18] this commotion Court will go 5 4 will be

[02:22] Kavanagh Gorsuch Alito Thomas Roberts

[02:27] and maybe when Ginsburg oh he's gonna go

[02:31] 6 3 7 2 then what like kiss talk but

[02:37] like you just brought up skin color and

[02:39] she called me a racist like why is the

[02:40] ledge she did no yeah so I wasn't

[02:43] involving grace at all what's

[02:47] interesting the Republican Party's like

[02:49] Dec you so here's Anna said why is it as

[02:51] the South got less racist it got more

[02:53] Republican we got a new one here what's

[02:57] your name

[02:57] I'm Jim nice to see you what don't you

[03:00] like most about Kavanagh you should pay

[03:06] attention to the speakers oh I've been

[03:07] I've been trying someone said protection

[03:09] of the vulnerable but if you want to

[03:11] protect the vulnerable how can you not

[03:12] protect the unborn

[03:16] don't touch me how are you

[03:22] what does your shirt mean this again

[03:28] silent treatment it's amazing what I

[03:32] find amazing number I always love

[03:35] talking to people I disagree with I

[03:36] can't get people to talk to me amazing

[03:41] actually does add up to why the left

[03:43] hates speech free speech here makes a

[03:46] lot of sense

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