Charlie Kirk Debates 20 Woke College Students on Abortion, Kamala Harris, and Border Security at Jubilee

your video the largest video on Tik Tok is what is a woman 20 million views you don't know what a man is under your own world view I said you're looking at a man right wait but father doesn't meet that criteria am I looking at are good a man that's defeating you in a debate right now okay that's fine uhoh Jubilee done did it again this video literally has 1.5 million views in 7 hours okay so we're going to watch Charlie Kirk try to outsmart college students you're on a timer like everybody's watching you they're putting up red flags as you're speaking I'm impressed with the people they they get only at Jubilee media only at Jubilee media guys we're good on and on YouTube in front of millions of people it's it's a great day hello everyone I am Charlie Kirk founder of Turning Point USA and uh I am surrounded by 20 woke college kids my first prompt is abortion is murder and should be illegal [Music] all right can I maybe go okay hello what's your name Juliana nice to meet you nice to meet you we get our terms right first yeah okay abortion is the forcible ending of the viability of a being in utero otherwise known as a fetus do we agree that's what abortion is okay yeah okay great and then murder is the intentional taking of of Life different than killing or sudden death so murder would be the intent with intent taking another life do we agree with that okay okay and then we agree that murder in general in society should be illegal yeah okay great so yeah no I do want to preface that I'm a Catholic so I think one really important thing that the Bible says is to not judge and just going back to the topic um I think there's a big difference uh between you know cells in utero than a living breathing existing being and while um I do believe it's murder and that's just my personal belief right I don't believe in telling people what to do with their bodies that's not up to me and it's not up to us as well as Christians to judge should we prevent murder in society for sure yeah should be illegal but I think that it's really different right because you know these people aren't sorry nice to meet you okay nice to meet you [Music] okay what's your name Naima nice to meet you okay can I just ask um at how many weeks do you think that a fetus is viable well viability and moral worth are two different things no but I'm asking you at how many weeks well at about 20 weeks a baby can survive outside of utero so it's actually 24 to 26 weeks 20 the youngest everever in a niku unit actually happened San Diego not far from here and Sur survived at 20 weeks okay so under Ro Wade 93% of abortion happened in the first 13 weeks of pregnancy that's 93% of the abortions happened well before a fetus is technically viable as a form of let's go into viability so what is it about let's say a six- week baby that has a heartbeat its own DNA fingerprint brain waves that is less moral worth than an 88-year-old right now with dementia in a home down the street that person requires assistance requires help what why is it that the six week baby is of less moral worth well first of all it's not a baby it's a fetus what does fetus mean a fetus is in utero what does fetus mean in Latin what the I'm sorry it's just a it means little human being his smile is very creepy okay um smiling is creepy no your smile specifically but let's go back to we're losing track here no but but is what species is the fetus the fetus is not a species yet it's technically classified as a parasite until it is viable now I want to talk I can't really get past that are you saying saying a baby is a disease or a tumor a parasite is not a disease and a tumor those are not the same thing a parasite is defined as something that cannot survive outside of its host a baby before it is viable cannot survive outside of a woman's womb got it so let's EXT let's extrapolate that is not a living organism are are old people with Alzheimer's and Dementia that are being assisted every day are they parasites no they're not parasites they're human beings who are on the brink of got it so my my four-month-old that requires mom's breast milk and requires daily changes and feedings cannot survive without its own is my four-month-old the parasite your baby can breathe on its own your baby can drink water from its mouth to its stomach but but it can your baby canat can it hunt can it gather can it reason but that's not what qualifies something as being a living organism being a living organism simply means can you survive outside of a womb outside of your host got it so I just want to make sure I'm clear why does that then equate to moral viability it equates to Scientific viability why under what standard because it is not alive and you are advocating for the rights of something that is not technically a life got it so what is is while sacrificing the needs of the human woman who is alive got it so but a a a mom can survive yes without the baby in her uhuh right yes the baby cannot survive without the mom yes but a mom cannot survive about her lungs so it's not her body it's in her body it's not her DNA so it's not her choice so it's a it actually is directly her DNA it's it is 100% it's 50% of her DNA after her DNA he's going to win I'm telling you this this this this could take a while okay first of all do we have our terms correct we agree actually no so first of all I'd like to refine our terms I two points to bring up after that though so you Define murder is like intentionally like killing a human being I think that's a very poor way to Define murder because if someone were to like break into my home and point a gun at the heads of me and everybody I love and I intentionally kill them to prevent them from univ from killing my family I don't think I murdered them right so I would Define murder as the unjustified termination of a human life you're making a good point let me further clarify that so self-defense is very warranted exactly right but I I can see where you're going to go with how that has to go with abortion but we we can go down that journey in a second yeah so I mean like I I kind of do want to give you my argument in so far as why I'm Choice why I think it's Justified but first I think that you know your position is quite absurd right because you're saying that it is murder to kill a human being right at any point in development especially when it's in the mother's room my question to you would be well does this make women with iuds murderers because it is the case that in some scenarios an IUD will allow for conception to occur meaning there's a unique human life there but it will prevent its implantation intentionally killing it well no preventing implantation is not necessarily the same thing as terminating a fertilized egg for example if you take Plan B for again it's not it's not the same thing preventing the production of proest progesterone is not the same thing as terminating a fully a a being that has been fertilized you do not know for a fact that the egg has been fertilized you do not know that when even an IUD okay yeah so preventing a fertilization or implantation to the uter lining is killing a conceived zygote so what happens a sperm goes into the egg right the egg becomes fertilized it's a conceived zygote in some cases it will prevent the implantation of the conceived zygote killing the conceived zygote in some cases correct so what do you say in some cases women are murderers of course not they're murders we do not know for a case that's that's like saying that every so what's the difference between an IUD killing a conceived zygote and like a mother going to plann Parenthood and killing the fetus in her wom well so you asking you're asking two separate things if they if they knew for certain to be more clear that I have a fertilized egg and I'm going to take a drug to prevent that fertilized egg from attaching to their uterine wall then yes that is an act of killing or murder of course okay so do you think all murderer should go to jail do I think all murderers should go to jail I mean on the third on third degree murder however no I don't think women that got abortions or had iuds should go to jail because I think that they have been deceived by mass culture and M Mass propaganda secondly the people who should go to jail are the abortionists who are the ones that have been putting the abortion pill the ones that have been doing procedures the ones that have been going into the third trimester and breaking babies backs and inserting them with syringes while the babies are crying and suffocating being born alive and then being dead on the operating table that is who should go to jail that was actually the best point somebody made we'll have to we'll have to talk [Music] about okay whenever I'm talking about this discussion um I always go to the question of what about in The Case of the mother when her life is in danger because I'm a big believer I don't I don't know I'm still iffy on if I think it's a or if it's murder or not but even so I mean I don't want to say murder is Justified guys wait let me just get this one point and then you can vote me out give me one second um say the mother gets pregnant and she knows that if she gives birth she's going to die she has some kind of Health complication then what do you do in that section I don't know what that means to C-section they they do they do an insert guys wait hold on just give me one second they go right they go right below the belly button and they deliver the baby and that she doesn't have to give birth it's technically birth but it's much safer so that's that's actually safer than an abortion procedure sorry sorry Lily [Music] hello how are you hi what's your name Deen nice to meet nice to meet you um I would say with abortion I think uh it's it's very complicated but I think the issue that I have primarily with your stance of being pro-life that there's no Nuance um there's women who are being forced to travel hundreds of miles to access abortion care even in cases of rape in certain States that're they're not giving any sort of um allowance for that and I think um you know a lot of people who are pro-life they they say that they're pro life but I feel like they're Pro birth because in you know with Firearms uh the United States has some of the highest firearm deaths um out of oecd Nations right and we can acknowledge that that's for children who are actually living and breathing um so I feel like abortion while yeah it is I can I can definitely see your point I I just think that it should be allowed in some circumstan yeah great um I'm happy to get into the gun violence stuff later but I want to really stay focused on abortion you can see you can say you see my point can you see the world also where since we know it's a human in life that it should be illegal since we don't allow murder in our society well that's that's that's where I have an issue because abortion is not being done willy-nilly it's it's like the life of the mother is always how many abortions do you think we have every day in America guess I'm not sure I'm not sure guess I I'm I'm honestly not sure maybe I don't know a th 4,000 a day so it is kind of willy-nilly we have 1.6 sorry [Music] hello hi um I just want to clarify the thing that you're aiming for is less abortion right that would be what you would want or at least no eventually it's also a protection of those that can't protect themselves but yes and that's why once we after the reversal of Row versus Wade we saw abortions go down dramatically in Texas Alabama Mississippi we saw thousands of babies that are now alive and well that are able to have amazing lives thanks to the reversal of Row versus weight uh I don't think a lot of that is true um it is but it's not true because when you make abortion illegal it doesn't actually decrease the amount of abortion talking point in Texas the numbers show differently the birth rate has gone up yeah legal goes down but illegal abortions still happen abortions still happen outside of whatever data you're that's not true but let's just say so 40% so well if you if you want to well first of all if you count the abortion pill you're right but that's a separate thing than a chem chemical abortion and surgical abortion are different things and I'm not debating I'm not I'm not debating you I'm debating her so if you want to do the flags and come back in try and be faster next time so let me ask you this so the question is we should try to limit unjust suffering of human beings right sure okay that's my position is that there's unjust suffering of anywhere between 1.4 to 1.6 million abortions a year of human beings that are being massacred in the womb and so that's not a woman's rights issue that's not a men's rights issue that's just a human rights issue okay the best way to decrease abortions happening is proper sex education limiting abortion and making abortion illegal does not actually decrease the amount of abortions that happen what is your evidence of that what is my evidence of that because we have increased sex education last 30 years we've had no our sex education is so bad in America by bad what do you mean by that we have we have more access to birth control for young kids we have more kids that are learning you birth control at a younger age we have more of that in our public school system and we've seen all the trends actually go in a negative Direction so in fact we see that the more sex education there is the the more disturbing those Trends are so you say that let me ask just one more thing you say that if we make abortion illegal people will still do it should we then just make gang violence legal because no I'm saying if you actually wanted to decrease the amount of abortions that happen you wouldn't be advocating for like to make abortion illegal you'd be advocating for Alles that logic apply to stealing looting kidnapping arson and murder well actually it does because those are results of different societal issues that you should be educating yourself on rather than making it illegal the front can we should we make kidnapping arson burgly murder legal because they're symptoms of something else we should be helping societ heal from those things answer the question we want less of those things should we just make them legal we'll get less looting you know actually I'm going let someone else thank you very hi Parker nice to meet you yes nice to meet you Charlie big Tik Tock guy here so like uh pedophiles people who were married to children in the past and normalized in that Society should they go to prison should pedophiles like if you could go back in time would you put those pedophiles in prison that was that married those children because it was normalized they were deceived into thinking it's okay would you put them in prison you got to slow down fil should get the death penalty no so you'd go back in the past you give them the death penalty even though they were deceived into thinking it was okay but you said people who get abortions who are women shouldn't go to pris but it's not currently illegal okay regardless pedophilia at that time at that time it wasn't no I would not go back and retroactively enforce laws where things were currently not you wouldn't put pedophiles in prison in the past hold on a second when was it IL when was it legal in America well child marriage was legal in America throughout the early 1900s and especially throughout most of society for thousands of years especially in the Old Testament and in the Bible well hold on hold on a second so where where where is the levitical law that allows you to marry a child oh yeah can you name the verse so so well I can't name the verse but the particular conditions that are enlisted in the Bible are that you have to beat physical maturity and emotional maturity which is extremely vague and throughout Society has been seen to be met there is not a verse but let's kind of go back so under your view let's go back to well generally agreed upon it's 18 years old but let me ask you but you but you because you you don't go based on what's generally aged you go based on the Bible I I say 18 years old but let me ask you a question's that when when does Life Begin conception conception great so good so should we protect our life at conception I care about sentient life not not do brain waves start do you think brain dead people should be able to pull the plug on like family should be able to pull the plug on individual got to question when do brain when doin waves when do brain waves start uh you can see brain waves around six to eight weeks which in brain dead individual there are brain waves as well so the brain waves necessary to produces subjective experience are met until around can you see it from my perspective that at 6 to 8 weeks those brain waves actually increase not decrease if allowed the process of development to continue did you know those same EEG scans exist in brain dead people that you don't think are but the difference with the brain dead people is that the likelihood of those brain waves actually increasing is very low as six to eight weeks when by 15 weeks they can hear the it's irreversible sensation that's what brain death is I know that it's not coma but you're you're you're doing a red herring go back to it's not what's a red herring six a red herring is where you you avoid the topic and you say something that is uh adjacent or symmetrical to what I'm saying but not actually I'm saying me that's not that's not red herring a 6 to8 we baby if they're allowed to continue to develop what ends up happening uh at a certain point it will become a sentient being in the future the same way if I keep engaging in sex with my girlfriend there'll be a baby in the future yet I don't care about the unless you're infertile which we don't know but so let's let's see let's see the the process of development right why answer my question why do you have the ability or the right should those child P3 go to prison the process of should the pedophiles Go to Prison from 1904 how many pedophiles are alive from 1904 they're not alive right I meant like if you can go back in the past hypothetically speaking and you could put them in prison would you put them in prison I would have killed them myself if I was alive back okay so then so then you don't apply it based upon what people are deceived to believe you apply based on what you consider to be moral so the women who had abortions you think they should go to prison so why should women who get abortions go to prison but someone like my mom who told me that Santa Claus should go constructive debate if you keep on talking over me I was finishing my Steam and you were talking over me go for let me ask you a very simple question do you think it would be a good thing if we had less abortions in America um it depends on the context like are the abortions prior to sentience yes all abortions yeah no it would not be necessarily better unless it is the case of the people didn't want the abortions and it would be negatively impactful to their health medically speaking are you against late abortion uh after sentience yes okay so you you believe in an 8we abortion ban yeah no no no I don't I don't sorry I believe in an abortion ban after 18 through 26 weeks okay that's that's a more reasonable position I have to give you credit for that it's similar to Trump's 15 weeks yeah so why why do you think that most people don't share your view on that um well people just don't know really know what s is there's not a lot of conversation about abortion and these conversations are very difficult like they're conceptually hard to go through and I understand why a lot of people don't understand their positions on it think most cutting me off I thought I thought we weren't cutting people off I was actually complimenting [Music] I how are you nice to see you um so I just have one question there's like in any case you don't think there's any case where abortion should be legal there's a very very rare couple cases Okay so you do think that a couple cases is legal if if if cesarian section is not going to save the mother's life and the mother's life is actually at risk which is debated amongst growing numbers of OBGYNs okay that is the only case where abortion should be should be allowed but people say it is a growing consensus in the pro-life world that abortion is never medically necessary okay so if you had a daughter and she was 10 and she got red and she was going to give birth and she no wait oh and she was going to give birth and she was going to live would you want her to go through that and carry her that's awfully graphic it's no but it's a real life scenario that happens to many the answer is yes the baby would be delivered oh okay great so I that's insane um but let me tell you why no hold on let me ask you a question there's two ultrasounds I have one is a baby conceived in one is a baby conceived by a loving couple which one is which which which person here was conceived by tell me which one was conceived by you don't know exactly cuz it's all human rights and it's all human matter but it's about your daughter who's pass to give birth to it and it's going to be tortured by that for the rest of her life that's going to take away every freedom she's ever going to have that's going to ruin her life she's going to grow up and she's going to be attached crime the the point is how you were conceived is irrelevant to what human rights you get when hold on one second if a person can see the walks down the side of the street it's not like they don't get First Amendment rights or second amendment rights the worst thing to do to that do the daughter is to then say hey we're going to go murder the being inside of you they would wouldn't even know like listen they they wouldn't know listen listen listen listen but wouldn't it wouldn't it be a better story to say something evil happened and we do something good in the face of evil instead of saying we're going to do evil and then murder the being because we're going to we're going to we're going to Pander to the evil no what makes what makes the West great is that we do good after evil not evil after evil it's not about the being and the the cells it's not about no no no I'm speaking no I'm speaking no I'm speaking I'm speaking no I'm speaking no I'm speaking no I'm speaking no I'm speaking no I'm speaking thank you so it's not I'm not talking about that I'm talking about the person no I'm talking about the person who is dealing with the pregnancy I am not talking about the cells I don't I don't care listen the fetus the whatever I don't care about that right now until it is formed if there is if there is a 5-year-old child who is pregnant and the baby is 2 weeks can't get prant actually they have and they have given birth there is one recorded case of a 5-year-old gave birth is is that is that common yes not it's common for 5-year-old get sometimes and it's if they get pregnant I think they should be able to have medical access to something that could save not only just their life but like their livelihood how many how many I'm curious how many I hope your daughter lives a very happy life and gets away from you okay so that is really nasty and so her her belief system just so we're clear is that the time's up yeah no I got it it's fine I mean it's insanely nasty and we'll talk again did you know that children are being diagnosed with serious conditions like type 2 diabetes and non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and research is potentially linking ultr processed foods to these outcomes Morgan and Morgan is stepping in to fight to hold food companies accountable with Decades of experience fighting large corporations they are ready to stand up for families who deserve justice if your child 21 has been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes or fatty liver disease visit www.the.com UPF to learn more my name is Dean Withers I'm a 19-year-old liberal I do political debate for a living and today I'm surrounded by 20 Trump supporters my next claim is KLA Harris would be a much better president than Donald Trump I don't believe that KLA Harris would be a better president than president Trump uh and the reason why I believe that is because K Harris has had many chances when she was a district attorney in San Francisco she convicted more people of minor crimes than any other da of San Francisco and I know this too because I lived in San Francisco for a period of time and I understand the criminal justice system to a certain extent so kamla Harris if you have her as president she's going to go after people for minor offenses she's going to try to convict people for even marijuana for for an example I mean come on most people in this country have already been past this whole issue with uh with uh cannabis and everything and I think that's something that now that should be overlooked and it should be something that should be legalized on a federal level as well but I do believe that KLA Harris if she convicted people of small petty stuff like people having minor amount of marijuana and had the highest conviction rate in San Francisco how can you have someone like that as president and she also was also married into the Getty family John Paul Getty is do is an elite family in the state of California so how is it that you're you're going to say oh kamla Harris is better than president Trump of course first uh let's respond to a couple of your claims there how many people did she convict not a clue 45 and what did she do in 2014 45 you're saying she convicted only 45 people of possession of marijuana yes and what did you that is not true that that is not true that she convicted only 45 people okay of marijuana if she was a district attorney and she had other Das in the district attorney's office do you mind if I finish talking Prosecuting those small crimes okay sir do you she had more than 45 convictions in that office alone so yeah she only had over you had you you've had a lot of time to talk I mean you had the whole time I really don't have a lot of time here but so what I'm saying is I just I just want to be able to finish this out go ahead 45 convictions but you're not giving me facts yeah so yeah so while she used da it is a welcome in hi hi um so do you mind if I give you my reasons why I think that Harris would be a better president um if you want cool um yeah so there's two main categorical reasons why I say Harris would be better than Trump the first category is character the second category is policy let's start off with character first of all uh Trump is uh a sexual abuser Trump is a felon Trump is a fraudster trump is an election an he's a dictator on day one want to be fascist okay uh come Harris is none of those come Harris wants to protect and preserve a democracy she wants to fight for the freedoms of all Americans especially the 17 million American women and girls and then we could reference policy next if you want to respond to character go for it if you want me to hop straight into policy I could do that too well you know starting with character I technically do not think she's a good person uh speaking of which you know if we're bringing up stuff from the past we can say she slept with Willie Brown broke up a family just to get her job um and while she was there she used a firm that was putting people in jail that had false positives on drug tests and she knew they had false positives she admitted to that and she was still putting mainly black and brown people in jail considering I'm both that is very much um a big issue for me and also that women a woman shouldn't represent they should just sleep to the top for their job they should actually work hard for it I generally don't think that she's a good representative there's plenty of other women out there I have a question how many votes did she get in a run for AG do you know how many votes did she get in her run we're talking about character though of course and morals and if we're mentioning character and morals here she's clearly not a good person just like she you had mentioned all that stuff about Trump which could be true I'm I'm referencing your claim that I'm referencing your claim that she slept to the top how many votes did she get when she was running for AG and da in the state of California but that has nothing to do with the fact it does she got 4.5 million votes in total 80 million for her run for agda I don't remember which one and then 4.4 million for the other one I have a question you're saying that she slept her way to the top how many of those 4.5 million people that voted for her did she have to sleep with well you know obviously we're in California and this is pretty corrupt but to say that she needed the votes of most most people that matter which is person she slept with could actually overturn and hide these votes just like they did with the election but listen we're the idea that women have to sleep with men to get into position misogynistic say I finish talking real quick we have to open our legs to get jobs that's exactly how she used it do you mind if I just finished talking real quick also I would like to finish out this conversation there's a lot of red flags up though so saying that women have to sleep with men to get into positions of power is a misogynistic lie what you doing one one moment that's what she represents what you are doing what you are doing is you taking KLA Harris you were taking her character you were taking her proposed policy you were taking her intelligence and you're taking your your wisdom and you're throwing it out of the window because when you say that the only reason she's in her position of power today is because she slept with a man that had been legally divorced for 3 years is a lie she got 4.5 million votes to get into Ag and da and slept with zero of them the question I have for you how you feel about Donal you know that no abolutely do you think that she slept with 4.5 million people getting position but the one person that was the most important person did you just say that she had to sleep with 4.5 million people no I didn't say that I said that she slept with one of the most relevant people to get her job to get in Willie Brown and how with Willie Brown get her the 4.5 million votes in her run for because he was in the same position she needed to get there but we have we have we have civil electoral processes we are a constitutional republic with processes yes I do and and you're saying that she somehow circumvented these civil electoral processes I don't hate women guys just letting you [Applause] know what [Music] is welcome down um I would really like to see if we could have a productive conversation about this point well I just want to start off by saying that you seem to attack Trump for his character but then when like kamla is attacked for her character it like doesn't matter so why do you think that KLA Harris is a bad person for reasons that have been stated can you repeat them she's slept with people to get up to her to her rankings she hasn't really done all too much as vice president in my opinion I would like to say that is false she's passed more tiebreaking votes in the Senate than any VP in American history she's also helped the Biden Harris Administration influence some of the most uh Monument legislation and modern US History I'm going to name four pie of legislation that the Biden Harris Administration influenced to get pass that benefits the low that benefited the low and the middle class more than rich people and I want to see if you could do the same for Donald Trump while he was President they they uh they sorry they influenced the the the pack act the chips and science act the American Rescue plan the infrastructure bill and the inflation reduction act if you'd like I could explain to you how those benefited the low and the middle class more so than top 1% but now just simply ask you that same question can you name one bill that Trump influenced to get pass that benefited the low and middle class more so than rich people I I really can't so then how could you say that KLA Harris hasn't done anything when you know so little about what Trump did while because comparatively to what Trump has done in the past she really hasn't done that much I just told you four pieces of monumental legislation that she did inflence to get past that were beneficial beneficial but not quite to what Trump did well you can't even tell me what Trump did I asked you you could I know but you can just tell from when he was president that it was just it was way better and K has been hiding and probably puppet hearing to Biden like you can't deny that do you see how that's just a conspiracy theory I know it's a conspiracy but it's the evidence is kind of there okay so what's the evidence for this idea that Biden hasn't done anything for America sorry okay that smooth you just kind of slid I think a lot of what we're hearing from you right now is just what I call book smart like you you probably are more knowledgeable than a lot of this a lot of us on these policies and all that that's not necessarily applicable to real life living if we look at one of in my opinion one of the most important roles as a president is to keep our country safe kamla Harris she's the borders are and she has completely failed at that she's let in millions and millions of legal immigrants and you've been asking us a lot of pointer so I want to ask you do you know what the average amount of fentanyl per pound that has come through in Biden's Administration versus the Trump Administration um no I'd assume that it's much higher under the Biden Harris Administration do you know what amount of drugs processed across the southern border are processed by US citizens but I'm talking about illegals right now so I asked you a question so during Trump's Administration there was on average about 2500 lb of fet and all that came across the border okay in my opinion that's 2500 lb too much yeah during the Biden and Harris Administration it's exceeding 14,000 per year where do you think that's going that's going to our youth that's going to high schoolers college students that's going to adults these innocent people are dying because of what is happening and if you look at her uh what I think it was just this past month they just admitted that they have lost over 300,000 illegal children where do you think these children are going they're trafficked and I'm extremely passionate about human trafficking I think it's one of the most important um focuses that we need to have right now and in my opinion again and in my experience within human trafficking the conservatives are the ones pushing this Kamala is ignoring it Kamala is not the one going to visit the Border she went and visited the Border she went to the only part of the border that is safe that they're not coming through and she said we don't have a problem here nobody's coming through that's BS she's lying and you say Trump's lie I hate all kinds of Lies but when you can say Trump's an avid liar you got to look at how common those line during her speech at the DNC last week she was saying that those individuals at Jan 6 were armed individuals with an intention of shooting people in the capital that is not true so I can admit where Trump has lied in the past everybody lies that's not good but you also need to have the balls to admit where Kamala has lied where Biden has lied where their Administration has lied yeah so first of all I think that it is important to hold all politicians everybody in a position of our accountable I'm not going to sit here and say that Biden has never lied a day in his life I'm not going to sit here and say that Harris has never lied a day in his life I you know can't confirm that Harris said that at the DNC or said that at the southern border if she did say those things yes those would be lies um now you want to talk about this wouldn't that be a question of her character then uh yeah of course but what I'm voting for here isn't going to be the candidate that doesn't lie at all it's going to be the candidate that would lie less within this respect and no one lies more than Donald Trump back why do you believe that character affects somebody's um I guess impact as a leader yeah sure because I think when we're voting for someone when we have a leader right this isn't just someone who's going to try to impact our life in good ways through policy but it's also someone that we'd want to be ourselves we are championing or sorry we are championing these two people KLA Harris and Donald Trump we want to see virtues reflected in them that we would also like reflected in us and when we're platforming Donald Trump who's been held civy liable for sexual abuse has sexualized a fifth grader on CBS in 1992 has cheated on three of his wife's one with a porn star and was convicted of 34 felonies and tried to Stage Auda overthrow our government we don't see those good virtues reflected you said you wanted to talk about the Border do you mind if I ask you a question about that go for it phenomenal so Biden and Harris they attempted to influence bipartisan border legislation in 2023 it was lankford's Bill who was a republican that was also Trump endorsed this was a good border act it would have uh phenomenally reduced uh the impact of the crisis it would have reduced Crossings it would have made the Asylum seeking processes uh quicker uh it was a good bill but what happened was Trump called the Republicans in the house and the Senate and told them to vote against it how can you say that Donald Trump cares about the southern border when he told Republicans and Congress to vote against this bill so the crisis would continue and he could campaign on that today to convince people like you to vote for him real quick everybody so during Trump's Administration in exchange for $25 million to build a border wall that would protect our country he had an act that he wanted to pass that would allow illegal immigrant children that have graduated throughout High School to be accepted through citizen answering my question no because you're just asking education policy questions this isn't impacting America so compare to your wait how else do how else do presidents Trump wanted to pass this this law that would give these graduating illegal immigrants citizenship guess who shut it down the Biden and Harris Administration they vote they voted against it the Biden and Harris administra yes hello howy welcome back well okay so you keep bringing up the border and you keep bringing up the Senate Bill lanford's Bill absolutely the Senate Bill never passed passed you want to know why what did pass was hr2 which again has been sitting on Schumer's desk which actually closed the Border talking to Brandon Jud president of border patrol what I can tell you is the Senate bill was better than what it is now with 14,000 people coming through the border every day and 300,000 migrant children missing feared sold into sex slavery now hr2 did close the border and that is the one that actually pass the house that Schumer has ignored so I'm really sick of hearing oh Trump stopped the Senate Bill the Senate Bill didn't pass you know why because it was a bad Bill it codified The Invasion okay so first of all no it was not a bad Bill and second of all the reason it didn't pass is because Trump called the republicans in Congress and told them not to pass it right we see one do you mind if I do you mind do you mind do you mind if I I finish without interruption Congress does not vote on Senate bills uh yes we would see that sen like if a bill is made in the Senate it go to the house back to the Senate exactly and it never made it out of the Senate so therefore it's it's it went to the house right and no it never made it out of the Senate I I talked to Senator Mike Lee about that it never got out of the Senate because it was a bad Bill however fin I just hr2 did get out you mind if I fin hr2 did get out of the house ma' with all due respect with all due respect you don't want to hear about hr2 that actually secured the I would love to hear about hr2 however I would also like to finish what I was saying about Well everybody's heard for the last 19 minutes what you had to say about this okay I got a minute um as far as Camala Harris being better than Trump she's destroyed the Border she's been absent nobody knows where she is six months ago even the media was saying she was the wor worst vice president in history as far as how she destroyed the Border she's hasn't done anything about it they have walked away she hasn't gone there she hasn't talked to border patrol she hasn't met with border okay I'm confused because the last person that came up said that she had gone there now you're saying that she has an hour from San Antonio after she met with Lester Holt and Lester Holt said you haven't been to the Border she goes I haven't been to Europe either so that was in september21 you know that's who we're talking about of 2021 she went in july2 I would like to preface here that the Biden Administration has passed an executive order on the border and we're because it's Ane no it's not just because it's Ane lenord Bill through the called and told you starving if second seconds we're not we're not going to get okay I just I feel like I can't get anywhere with you I feel like I can't get anywhere with you because you so how do we find Middle Ground we do that by allowing each other to speak without interruption I'm willing to do that for you are you willing to do that for me super fun I'm Kevin Donaldson a retired police officer from New Jersey and today I'm surrounded by 20 criminals most police officers do not racially profile black and brown people yeah well I disagree with that I think you guys get trained to do that and on top of that like you humiliate our people the brown and the blacks like that's your job I don't know how many months you get trained for that but you're pretty much there to degrade us what training on planet Earth would have us racially profile black and brown people it goes without saying I mean that's just how you guys are you know no you said training I'm GNA hold you to that statement what training do we get to racially profile black and brown people you say that the training or you guys are just like that so I'm assuming from your statement that you've been racially profiled because you're Brown I mean it happen all the time I mean I think that's the only reason why they would stop I mean because because of the color of my skin I mean I'll just be walking down the street especially when I'm with my kids you know like that's the part that I hated the most being humilated in front of my family and kids okay have you ever done anything wrong prior to this where you didn't get caught I'm honestly like I was innocent each time they stopped me I not when they stopped you prior to them stopping you have you ever done anything wrong of course you know no no one's perfect okay so how many times would you say on a percentage did you do something wrong with they didn't stop you I mean very low but it has happened correct yeah it it has happened okay so why why can't police make a claim on the other side of that that they didn't get you when they should have no I just feel like these cops they don't have any uh remorse for our people you know they just come to our neighborhoods and leave and they cause more damage than than they come so what neighborhood are you from let me start there I'm from South Central LA you're from South Central LA and there's a lot of good people in South Central LA am I correct yeah okay can you imagine what kind of life it would be if the police were not in there and you have certain people looking to do harm certain people looking to do good certain people um just trying to raise all right we'll talk after so the prior Debaters made a claim about your training and I heard your response was so what neighborhood you're from MH why not Community why the choice of word was neighborhood H because that's how I grew up and we grew up by neighborhoods if you would rather me say community I'm not beholding to the word neighborhood awesome so with that do saying also okay question you said you don't pick and choose black and brown why do the numbers show that the most incarcerated are black and brown a lot of it has to come from economics okay um those people with good lawyers are more likely going to be able to get off that's the legal system the legal system is run by human beings and the one universal truth about human beings is they're flawed they're flawed so the reason that there are more black and brown people in the system like that is maybe because they're of lower social economical class and they cannot afford to hire the high price attorneys now sticking to the same topic of training all right pause wait a [Laughter] minute at it again huh yeah yeah I like it honestly I may be posed to a lot of people's beliefs here I agree with you um most cops that I've seen for if we're talking about the word most generality I've seen more cops be good than none I mean than bad but at the same time in Los Angeles this this part this thing called um the gang unit Division and majority of them are bad majority I've seen encountered horrible cops um they put they put a bad name on the on just cops period and I've seen cops allow it but honestly I feel like um I agree with your say for the most part there's a couple big things in what you said there number one nobody hates a bad cop worse than a good cop and that's the truth because that brings me to the second point where we are all in this room we are all judged by our lowest common denominator if somebody with black skin did me wrong am I going to have a favorable view view against black people probably not probably not if you had a cop treat you a certain way are you going to have a favorable view of cops probably not but most cops I'm telling you most cops are out there trying to do a job the best they can they're trying to go home and support their family and live the best life what you're talking you V out I think you guys do racially profile us yeah I give you guys that okay the majority gang members are Hispanics and blacks okay you got to act like gang members yourself you talk to us with slangs too what slang do we use I just too of course we do yeah did they teach you guys that uh just attack blacks and Hispanics no it seems like it sometimes most of the time all the time you're allowed to believe whatever you want to believe right but I'm telling you there is no Police Academy in the world that treats go after this race as opposed to this race did they teach you guys too what's the difference between an ex gang member and an active gang member no there are people that are gang members but change their life too and we're still getting pulled over those are the people I love however however if you get pulled over and you're doing nothing wrong you need to thank the police and tell you why CU they're looking out for you they're looking out for your community I'll change my verbiage on that one they're looking out for your community in order to get those who haven't found their way such as those reformed gang members to try to maybe change their way to make an impact on them so they should be they should be thanked it happens to me I had to ask them why you pulling me over they don't even have an answer well most of the time they don't like they don't have nothing to say obviously I know because of my looks I know so laws might be different in California but in New Jersey you always get told while you're pulled over I I'm a clean person you you what you guys see is this and my skin color that's all mostly my tattoos you guys see that that's when you guys pull up yeah but who's looking at your color so if I go to a a neighborhood that's heavily brown or black are people going to look at me the police W almost rarely never pull you over over here oh that's not true uh yes it is true abely not true cuz I've been pulled over yeah okay but in a nice way we get y that we get uh pull over get your hands in the air you're making a dangerous assumption there my friend that is not true I was driving through Alpine New Jersey which is one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in New Jersey I was in an Infinity which was my buddy's car and I got pulled over and I got ripped out of the car I didn't have a problem with it if you're not doing anything wrong and you get stopped then nothing's going to happen to you they uh do embarrass us you get embarrassed every day that's stuff you got to get over I got embarrassed I got pulled out of the car okay so you can V it [Applause] [Music] out I just wanted to touch on how you said it's embarrassing to be pulled out of your car or it was an embarrassing thing it's terrifying for some people especially people that feel like they're being racially profiled and they have a disadvantage to begin with but when I've been interacting with police I'm terrified it's not embarrassing it's scary and I'm white so I mean I can't imagine way it makes other people feel it's kind of harassment I don't think it's right the way the cops handle situations when there's no immedate threat why why are you terrified cuz it's scary you guys are overpowered if you don't have what what are we going to do we don't fight fair police aren't paid to fight fair yeah okay we're not this isn't take off your badge and put your gun down that's not this this is a job of course our job is to protect the streets and if we see something we're pulling you over we're not pulling you over for no reason we're pulling you over because we have something or we're looking for something you might not be that person but we're looking for something so there is no reason to be terrified okay I've watched PE I've watched this cops driving down the street and parents pick their kids up what are you teaching that kid the fact that you're terrified is on whoever taught you to be terrified that's on them because police are there to protect you they're not there to terrorize you I just ran into some bad ones then I guess CU I've been in the right and not done anything I what you do for a living what I do for a living I do only fans you do only fans okay are there some are there some less than ethical only fans people I'm sure it's kind of a sex organ isry so it's the world of 10% 10% of 10% of every profession in the world is unethical yeah I don't think it's all police I just think that I don't know especially when you get your partners they partnered up you guys kind of have this little I don't know I just witnessed a lot of like high school because we don't fight fair we have radios to call other people so we don't have to fight all right you been Ved out thank you hey Kevin how are you good you seem very nice I don't personally know if you have ever judged someone based on their race their ethnicity their skin color maybe just their appearance in general I mean I judged you everyone judges a appearances The Moment I Saw You Walk in I knew you were the cop you're white American flag tattoo you arrived early I judged you you judge others we all do it I agree I think there are a lot of cases where cops are heavily influenced by those around them everybody's influenced were you alive during 911 no I got a front I got a front row seat to 911 I Saw The Towers burning I saw the towers fall now there's a large Indian population in New Jersey guess who was getting it worse Indian people because their skin tone was similar to the people who flew the airplanes into the tower not by cops by everybody everybody's side item we all do that but if you're going to treat me with respect you will get the utmost respect for me but if you're going to be a dick to me boy I can sure be a dick and I think that's that's rules to live by in everyone's life you can see that but you are not all cops you represent a small portion [Applause] are you racist no but y'all is no no you said you hate cops are you racist I hate them all of them all right so y killed my cousin for no reason so the reason I ask if you're racist because the definition of racism is treating somebody treating a group of people differently by the way they look or what they do actually it's bigotry okay you said you hate cops because you had a bad interaction with a cop or a small group of cops so for you to hate a group of people by the interactions based on one person it's irresponsible it is yes you should take your own advice how so y'all you just talking about respect right y'all don't respect us at all at all just like he was saying that's a boldfaced lie no it's not absolutely it's not y'all judge us by just looking at us we don't have to do nothing we don't have to do nothing at all and you're 100% sure of that I'm 100% sure when you're 100% sure something something that's when you're proved wrong I'm not proved wrong baby yes you are we go through it every day all day so throughout my career you're telling me that every black person or brown person that I came in contact with I treated them unra I don't know who you came in contact with but most of y'all do but you just said all now you're going back to most I don't like none of y'all to keep honest I Ain't Met not one good cop yet so what would you do if a white person came up and said I don't like any black people that's his opinion just like yours yeah just like yours would you say that's an irresponsible statement cuz I would no everybody got their own opinion until your opinions are changed I wouldn't change nothing against none of y'all I don't like cops y'all treat us black and brown people very disrespectful very different most of us getting killed every day most of you yeah y'all just killed that lady for no reason what lady what was her name Sonia yeah you're making some very dangerous generality no I ain't yes you are y'all killed my cousin sex in a park he had sex with a girl in a park they assumed he had a gun by having sex in a park how you assume somebody having a gun by having sex in a park I don't know maybe he was well endowed so you said most 177% of the population as I said before is black okay so that means out of 320 million approximately 320 million people in the in the world if you do the math you're looking at about what I don't know we'll say a nice round number 50 to 60 million black people in the country okay that's what the statistics say statistics aren't going to lie on that one so most of them that would mean over 30% that's 30 that's 25 to 30 million people are getting shot by black people or shot by cops so your claim doesn't hold water B flag hello how are you good how are you very good um I think that opinions and all this is good but when okay I was seeing how work that she was getting overall it affects our lives and that's just period Point Blank it affects our lives and that's our family and then it starts getting into our real lives and it's reality it's it it hits different so I I I don't want to say we hate all cups when it's something that it's emotional it's hard to let go that's it's a hard opinion to change and that's good and that's good that's why we're here today yeah yeah yeah thank you [Applause] dude why hello there I'm Ben Shapiro and I'm co-founder of the daily wire and host of the Ben Shapiro show and today I'm surrounded by 25 kamla Harris [Music] supporters my next claim is that kamla Harris's extreme pro-abortion stance is morally [Music] indefensible what's going on dude hey good to meet you okay so I just want to clarify the claim because okay so the claim that I'm making about KLA Harris Let's first say like what her what I believe her position to be okay so she has not stated any any abortion law that she would not veto M right so the the partial birth abortion ban act for example or late term abortion bans she would presumably veto that as president of the United States that's the position that I'm taking in this particular prompt okay so that is the position that I find morally indefensible okay so again I'm a very very pro-life person but I can see at least the the sort of nuanced arguments that some people on the left try to make about abortion even if I disagree with those arguments the argument that she's making which is effectively abortion until birth should be in no way regulated I find that to be morally indefensible my understanding right now is that a majority of Democrats would not support abortion through birth my understanding is the the more popular position I don't think any state lets you go through birth maybe I'm off on that maybe there's a couple California and New York actually okay understood um uh but yeah uh I think the key claim is is basically I think most Democrats would want abortion within the first few weeks prior to the development of my personal moral starting point of life is that the mind is the seat of Consciousness the brain is the you know is where your self is if you replace your heart you have a robo heart you're chilling if you replace your brain you're a different person you're dead um and I think that when that brain first starts to develop that's sort of where I see the beginning of life and where the fetus gets their first uh moral consideration would you agree that abortion before that point is tolerable uh no I don't agree with that but again quick question just as far as defining the positions yeah so would you agree that late term abortion is indefensible yeah I would yeah I that's not my position I would not so so you actually agree with me on the prompt okay so now we get into the broader abortion conversation that's fine I mean no worries that's totally cool so yes no I do you do you feel that a majority of Democrats support through like the moment before birth majority of Democrats have not supported any abortion legislation on the federal level in my entire lifetime nor do I suppose that they will so if there were to be a consensus 15we abortion ban for example which is about the status in in Europe uh I I would assume that virtually all Democrats would vote against that 15we abortion ban so so well well well you know I may agree with your more moderate position or at least use that as a starting point uh that that is certainly not where the Democratic party historically has been nor is it where the Democratic party is right now awesome understood and just to uh understand you begin your moral consideration for a fetus oh where I consider it at conception right so I believe in life that life begins a conception you now have a human being with potential not a potential human being and then the question is exactly what the moral value of that human being is once you acknowledge that there is in fact a countervailing interest to for example a woman's quote unquote right to choose once you once you acknowledge there's an independent interest sure thank you so much for your you made it you made it you're good you can relax Hi how are you doing well how are you hello um nice to meet you uh oh wow you look better in person okay so very sweet of you um I don't know iften get that so thank you fine um but yeah uh so yeah uh how do you define an abortion really quickly uh abortion would be the forcible termination of a of an unborn human life yes but like why do you hold that definition like would you not like assume like something like a like a C-section would be considered an abortion no because the baby is is born alive so how that be an abortion why would why what does the definition of abortion have to include the death of a fetus because that's literally the definition of abortion it literally isn't though where are you getting this definition from where are you getting your definition from let's go to like what like do you like like Mayo Clinic like any anying like Hospital you ever gone a C section ends with the birth of the child right but know all I understand I'm here I'm talking to you I know baby that's I was not abored I I understand this but like yes but like no well yes but like no but no uh uh you could say you can simply say that abortion is the ending of a pregnancy right so the ending of a pregnancy outside of the natural birth of a fetus I don't see I don't see why you would say that like it would have to end in the death of a fetus which is why I'm pro-abortion all nine months right because say if a woman is not able to pass a fetus in the natural way uh we could have these other abortion uh uh processes that would say like okay like she needs an uh some some type of induction that doesn't include the actual natural expulsion of a fetus but it doesn't always end in the death of a fetus so I don't see how you could say that her Kam haris stance is immoral in the sense how I just don't understand how you're removing the death of the fetus from the equation about abortion that's literally the entire moral issue you and I would not even be arguing if we were talking about about natural birth but it seems like at Discord though we disagree on what the inherent definition of abortion you could leave away you could I mean we could very easily solve this let's just not talk about the word abortion let's talk about the forcible termination of aab okay so then what do you value in the fetus then the life of the fetus okay so then when is this you said because of conception yes and why is that because that is literally the biological definition of when an independent life but like why does it have moral value it has moral value because that's literally the biological definition of when a human life begins right but why does that have moral value though okay why does any life have have moral value I would value cians what but why right because this is simply this is simply what we value like you and I value like is it okay to like unplug like a like a brain dead patient for example I mean the the question is whether it's okay to unplug brain dead Pati actually quite a controversial one in sort of religious circles but as far as why you I'm just wondering if if somebody's in a coma and you know they're going to wake up do you have the righta is's not brain out though we know that there's future sensient there like it would be like a matter of like a conju of like past future like I'm sorry past present or future sence person in a coma has has I agree and guess what fetuses also have guaranteed future sentients well no because you're only valuing one half of the conjunct that's not BR it would be past now you're changing the topic I mean we started with what's the value of the fetus thank you so much thanks whoa you know what just for it honest to God just for that I forfeit that's like some serious eering right there well done well done thank you yeah so on the topic of abortion I think we've have a big focus on the moral aspects of abortion but I do think we should talk about the legal aspects of life because when a baby is born two things happen birth certificate social security card when there are fetus I mean when it's like cells in the body you don't get the birth certificate you don't get a Social Security card because it's not alive it's not born yet therefore when it comes to like the moral repercussions of having abortion I feel like that's very different than legally because if a cluster of cells in a woman was equivalent to a baby I should be able to have tax deductions on that kid I should be able to have child care from the government I should be able to have child support from the father but since like the clusters of cells is in fact not a baby I feel like morally you can say whatever but legally a clusters of cells is not like so sort of hiding behind the legal positivist position I think to Shield against the morality here is a problem and I'll tell you why so when it comes to first of all don't threaten me with a good time I perfectly happy to have people pay paternity for children that are that are currently in utero like that that's fine with me in fact I think that' be quite good I think it would incentivize fathers to stay with the mothers and actually be more responsible but if we're talking about you know legal status there are plenty of people in the United States for example who don't have legal status right now who don't have a Social Security card for example in the United States obviously we can't kill them they're they're legal immigrants we shouldn't murder them you know there are lots of people in the legal status does not in fact equate to moral status in any sense of the term I mean that it's true for example that children can't vote and don't actually have control over any of their decision- making right I have four kids of my own and I control their decision making because they're very small okay that doesn't mean that I get to kill them so the idea of legal status I thus being the basis of a moral status is putting the cart before the horse the truth is that it's because the things have a moral status that we give them a legal status and obviously ca