[Music] Hi Parker. Nice to meet you. Yes. >> Nice to meet you, Charlie. >> Big Tik Tok guy here. >> So like, uh, pedophiles, people who were married to children in the past and normalized in that society, should they go to prison? >> Should pedophiles >> like if you could go back in time, would you put those pedophiles in prison that was that married those children because it was normalized, they were deceived into thinking it's okay? Would you put them in prison? >> You got to slow down. Pedophiles should get the death penalty. >> No. So you go back in the past, you give them the death penalty even though they were deceived into thinking it was okay. But you said people who get abortions who are women shouldn't go to prison. It's not currently illegal. >> Okay. Regardless at that time, at that time it wasn't. >> No, I would not go back and retroactively enforce laws where things were currently not illegal. >> You wouldn't put pedophiles in prison in the past. >> Hold on a second. When was it illegal? When was it legal in America? >> Well, child marriage was legal in America throughout the early 1900s and especially throughout most of society for thousands of years, especially in the Old Testament and in the Bible. >> Hold on. Well, hold on. Hold on a second. So, where where is the Levitical law that allows you to marry a child? >> Oh, yes. >> Can you name the verse? So, so well I can't end the verse but the particular conditions that are enlisted in the Bible are that you have to beat physical maturity and emotional maturity which is extremely vague and throughout society has been seen to be met there there is not a verse but let's kind of go back >> okay so when is when is under your view >> let's go back to well generally agreed upon is 18 years old but let me ask you >> but you but you because you don't you don't go based on what's generally agreed you go based on the Bible >> I I say 18 years old but let me ask you a question where when does life begin >> conception >> conception great so good so should we protect all life at conception >> I care about sentient life not not Do brain waves start? >> Do you think brain dead people should be able to pull the plug on like a family should be able to pull the plug on an individual? >> You got to answer the question. When do brain when do brain waves when do brain waves start? >> Uh you can see brain waves around 6 to 8 weeks which in brain dead individual there are brain waves as well. So the brain waves necessary to produce a subjective experience are met until around can you see it from my perspective that at 6 to 8 weeks those brain waves will actually increase not decrease if allowed the process of development to continue. Did you know those same EEG scans exist in brain dead people that you don't think are >> No, but the difference with the brain dead people is that the likelihood of those brain waves actually increasing is very low at 6 to 8 weeks when by 15 weeks they can hear the mom. >> What's irreversible sensation? That's what brain death is. I didn't know that. It's not coma. >> But you're you're you're doing a red herring. Go back to what's a red herring. >> Six to a red herring is where you you avoid the topic and you say something that is uh adjacent or symmetrical to what I'm saying, but not actually I'm saying you out of that's not that's not a red herring. a 6 to 8 week baby if they're allowed to continue to develop what ends up happening >> uh at a certain point it will become a sentient being in the future the same way if I keep engaging in sex with my girlfriend there'll be a baby in the future yet I don't care about the >> unless you're infertile which we don't know but so let's let's see let's see the the process of development right why do you have the ability or the right >> make sure those child P3 go to prison >> so the process of >> pedophiles go to prison >> from 1904 how many pedophiles are alive from 1904 >> they're not alive right I meant like You can go back in the past, hypothetically speaking, and you could put them in prison. Would you put them in prison? >> I would have killed them myself if I was alive. >> Okay. So then, so then you don't apply it based upon what people are deceived to believe. You apply it based on what you consider to be moral. So women who had abortions, you think they should go to prison. So why should women who get abortions go to prison? But someone like my mom who told me that Santa Claus exist should go to >> constructive debate. If you keep on talking over me, >> I was finishing my statement. You were talking over me. >> Let me ask you a very simple question. Do you think it would be a good thing if we had less abortions in America? >> Um, it depends on the context. Are the abortions prior to sentience? >> Yes. All abortions. >> Yeah. No, it would not be necessarily better unless it is the case that the people didn't want the abortions and it would be negatively impactful to their health medically. >> Are you against abortion? >> Uh after sentience. Yes. >> Okay. So, you you believe in an 8week abortion ban? >> Yeah. No, no, no. I don't I don't. Sorry. I believe in an abortion ban after 18 through 26 weeks. >> Okay. That's that's a more reasonable position. I have to give you credit for that. >> It's similar to Trump's 15 weeks. >> Yeah. So, why why do you think that most people don't share your view on that? Um, well, people just don't know really know what sentience is. There's not a lot of conversation about abortion. And these conversations are very difficult. Like, they're conceptually hard to go through, and I understand why a lot of people don't understand their positions on it. But I think people are most cutting off. I thought I thought we weren't cutting people off. >> I was actually complimenting. >> Yeah. I have a question. Is church a scam? >> No, cuz church is honoring the divine and the eternal and the good and the true and the beautiful. is college. >> But it but it deceives people because you you give a promise of everlasting life which you don't actually get because Christianity is contradictory logically speaking. >> Do you want to get into a theological debate or are we going to talk about college because I completely disagree. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and we will have eternal life. >> Okay. So how if there is a perfect being that created the world, how could we exist in an imperfect world? >> I'm happy to have this discussion. Can we go back to college though? Because do you think co because that's a little bit of a red herring and a little bit of a rabbit hole. Tell me what that has to do with college being a scam. >> Well, I do think college can be a scam for certain people. I don't think it's a scam for everyone. For people like me, college was very beneficial for me. For sure. Who is it? I'm asking you based upon your definition of a scam. Do you consider the Christian church a scam? >> Of course not. It's giving people eternal life and treats teaches them good. >> If Christianity is false, then that's a deception. >> Okay. But you think it's false? I don't. We can agree to disagree. Also, >> I'm not agreeing to disagree on that. >> But we're not talking about the We're not talking about the church. We're talking about college, right? So again, also people are not paying to go to church, are they? >> But it's reductive. Ask the question. >> What's a reducti out of certum? >> Uh, that's a Latin term that means reducing down to the lowest common belief. Correct. >> Yeah. So, I'm taking Am I right? I didn't go to college. I knew that. >> I'm taking your particular position. >> Let me let me ask you a question without you interrupting me. Do you pay to go to church? >> Uh, no, I don't. Some people don't. They're forced to pay based upon their particular denomination. >> In today, do you pay to go to church? >> Depending on the church. >> No, no, you don't. Do you have to go to debt to go to church? >> Uh, in some circumstances, people do because they have to give up 10% of their income to be able to do that, which people can't afford. >> Circumstance. Well, they're LDS. You understand that a lot of LDS churches specifically require 10% of >> They don't require it. And what you're talking >> do in plenty of places. >> Well, you're asking mainline Christian. >> Isn't there stigmatization if you don't do that? >> Okay. You're good at interrupting, not good at answering. >> Well, you haven't answered any of my questions yet. >> I did say no. Church is not a scam. Church is the bride of Christ. College is a scam. And college is people are going into debt. They're paying a lot of money. But I want to ask you a question. You said it's a scam for some people. Who is it a scam for? >> Yeah. for people who specifically aren't ever going to use it, never use any of the knowledge that they retain from it. Well, you say 52%. I don't think you can grant qualify 52% of people don't do that. For example, for example, my job that's not going to be recommended like as like an economics degree and most economics majors are going to go into TikTok debating online, but I use the information that I learned in college in like on in my job on a daily basis. So, I still use relevant qualities that are then used in my job later on. >> What percentage of kids that go to college are being scammed? I don't think I don't think anyone knows that >> because it's dependent upon an individual. I have no clue. >> Shouldn't we try to find out? >> Well, if you'd like to find some empirical on that, I'd love to see it. >> I I just did. So, 41 41%our. >> Well, well, the Department of Education is a source. >> No, the Department of Education doesn't say 41% of people it was a scam for or that they didn't use any of the information they learned in college. >> You are you are using >> So, are you saying none of them use any of the information? >> Can I say three words without you interrupting me? >> Do do any of them use the information later on? >> Can I say five words that interrupt me? >> Well, you've interrupted me multiple time. Multiple times. So since you say college is a scam for some people, it's a ballpark. For the kids that do not graduate, 41% that ended up going and not graduating, were they scammed? >> Uh, no. Just because you go and pay for a particular thing, but then you don't follow through with it doesn't mean you were scammed. >> Maybe they were. >> You decided to pay for it. You could say some people are misled, some people are stigmatizing to these things. Some people are met in are misled in the church. And you never answered my question on that because you're trying to take that time down so that you don't have to answer the question about Christianity cuz you know your world of view looks terrible. >> Well, what about Christianity do you want me to answer? We're talking about >> I think it's false or because I was saying is is is uh church a scam. If church is a scam, that'd be predicated off of the idea that you're deceived into believing that there's everlasting life. Again, >> Christianity has to be true. So, can you grant that? What's the argument? >> Christianity is true. Did the resurrection >> What's the argument? >> You're going to let me finish three words in a row. >> Appreciate it. >> Okay. Did the resurrection happen? >> Uh, I don't think the resurrection occurred. >> Okay. I disagree. >> Okay. So, let me ask you a question. A perfect creator, is it possible for them to not desire something imperfect? >> A perfect is a perfect creator. I'm sorry. What? >> There's a perfect creator that desires everything that's just perfect. How can they desire something imperfect? Flawed. >> Well, because maybe they want to get to know themselves. Maybe they want to see their own creation. Maybe they love >> He wants to get to know them. He's all knowing. >> Can I Can I finish Can I finish talking here? Okay. Maybe because God loved the world so much that his creation which rebelled against him given agency and free will rebelled against them then got eternal life what we actually deserve and then sent his son on a rescue mission to save us from that. The church is the bride of Christ will save us from damnation that we deserve. College is far from the bride of America. It's currently scamming the youth of this country and sending them into oblivion. >> You didn't answer the question. >> I I did. >> No, you didn't say how they could desire something imperfect. How how well well God can later God can do anything. So >> even something logically contradictable. >> It's not logically contradictable. >> So desire something imperfect. >> Can an uns can an unstoppable >> Can an unstoppable object can an unstoppable object hit a new force? This is going to take the entire time. >> You're welcome. >> 30 on, 30 off. >> How do you feel about the Senate? >> Uh as far as her her tiebreaking vote of the Senate. >> No, no, no. saying like Senate like like the Senate is technically DEI in a certain sense for like small states like Wyoming gets people in Wyoming get a greater vote than California >> like Rhode Island and Hawaii. >> I'm giving you an example California I get less of a vote than someone who exists in Wyoming. So we're giving people in Wyoming more say than they necessarily should given that they're one individual. So why do you believe in DEI as it relates to how our government is set up? We don't believe in DEI in terms of allowing for people who are black or who are women to be in positions of power that they have not been allowed in historically speaking. So, um, is the electoral college and the Senate based on race? >> It's it's predicated off of, uh, diversity, equity, and inclusion, >> right? Like inclusion of of of country areas, inclusion of rural areas, inclusion of white men like you. >> Okay. So, you mean like Hawaii? >> I'm referencing I'm referencing you could say smaller states or places that have less people in it obviously would be able to have more of a say per individual. >> So, your argument is that the US Senate is a DEI. I I got to be honest. I've never heard that argument, but I think it's a little silly. But >> how is it silly? Argue against it instead of just saying it's silly. >> Well, right. So, it's silly on its face because first of all, we have on the House of Representatives a proportional population. >> Oh, but the Senate isn't. So, it's not DEI. >> Yes, it is. >> What? Why would you say it's diversity, equity, inclusion? Because Wyoming gets two senators. They have their own sovereign state, aren't they? >> For country areas, for rural areas, equity for rural areas. That's not for smaller states. So let's go back to the federalist papers and the founding fathers. Why was the Senate composed? >> Tell me why it's not DEI. Like under your definition, why is >> it's not based on race. And by the way, it's also based on equity and it's not based on inclusion. >> You have based upon different characteristics other than race. Whether or not you're a woman, whether or not >> let let me finish. Why? It's because we are a collection of states. We are not a federal project. So states rights usurp federal. Do you know what the 17th amendment is? >> Do you know do you know the why the Articles of Confederation failed? >> Yes. But what is the 10th amendment? >> Because states had too many rights, had too much power. >> That's why we specifically adopted the >> coner. Let me let me make one point. Okay. Which is how did we used to elect senators? >> Uh it' be population. >> No, we used to elect senators based on state legislatores. So the Senate is an extension of the state legislative bodies. That's not DEI. That's federalism. That's the way that our system is set up. Which is a bottomup citizen-led government to allow the states which are first and foremost sovereign. So it goes in this ladder in this country. for those states for those country areas. >> No, because it's color blind. It's not that DEI is not only based upon race. >> Hold on a second. >> Diversity for for country, diversity for rural, equity for rural and inclusion of rural. >> Well, that's an interesting interesting point. So, >> DI is only race because you associate it with Kla Harris. >> Let me ask you a question. Is there a single instance in corporate America where DEI is implemented where diversity means anything other than skin color diversity? >> So, diversity view women. Women >> do what? Fine. How about chromosone or diversity or skin color? >> So So skin color, there's gender. You have to you have to move the goalpost a little bit because you got destroyed there. All right. But there's also >> No, I'm just asking a very simple question. The answer is no. Because our system >> doesn't mean that's not DEI. The Senate is DEI. >> What was your definition though? >> What What is >> What was your definition? Diversity, equity, inclusion. Diversity doesn't only apply to race. You're saying other people defined diversity, equity, inclusion to be based on race. You didn't though. >> Let me finish because you're saying you didn't earn it. You know who did earn it? South Dakota and North Dakota. when they chartered themselves into states. >> Wyoming didn't earn it because they have less of a population >> into a state. Hold on. Yeah. >> All right. We going to Are we going to debate the book of Revelation? >> No, I won't bring up God this time. >> Uh why don't you talk for 30 seconds and I talk for 30 seconds? >> 30 seconds. Donald Trump's been held civily liable of sexual abuse, defamation, fraud. He has 34 felonies. He tried to undermine our American democracy. Tried to restrict women's access to abortion by leaving it up to the states. He denies science through climate change. You said you care about science with trans people, but not when it comes to climate change. Also, as it relates to Donald Trump, he actively left Kurdistan, which led to the Turkish Kurdish war under his presidency, you said there was no new wars. He also specifically started a war on ISIS, proclaimed by himself. >> He he eliminated ISIS. Do you know that carbon emissions were the lowest under Donald Trump they've been in human history? They've gone up under Joe Biden. >> That's wrong. Wait, carbon emissions were definitely not lower then than they were in 1700. >> I'll let you talk for 30 seconds, man. >> Carbon emiss Wait, but carbon emissions were more were more in 1700 than they are now. >> Hold on. Since we've started measuring carbon emissions, since 1970, the EPA, >> ever, >> since 1970, let me be more clear. I said 30 seconds here, 30 seconds there. If you want to just scrap that, we keep on interrupting each other. >> Ridiculous. >> Okay, you said some ridiculous stuff, too. For example, you said the felonies that wasn't happening when he was president. We could do a whole another debate on that. We had the best economy ever in American history under Donald Trump. Right now, people can't afford groceries. Inflation is crushing people. We have a wide open border. 10 million people have come across our southern border. We had the most secure border under Donald Trump. We saw a blue collar boom. We saw more manufacturing renaissance than ever before. We saw more wages go up. We saw China on its heels. We also saw no new wars as I have mentioned. We saw the right to try. We saw legislative accomplishments, the largest middle class tax cut in history. What were the other points you mentioned? I want to make sure I respond to them. You said the climate, right? So carbon emissions went down under Donald Trump. We actually saw a green renaissance under Trump. We saw more >> policy. >> What? Solar panel tariffs. >> Okay. So >> So we we put tariffs on solar panels. So solar panel manufacturing came back to America creating over 30,000 new jobs in the solar panel space under Donald Trump. very underappreciated accomplishment by him. >> Can you give me a single study that indicated that led to lower carbon emissions in the United States? >> Why? Why did it lower to low? Yeah, it's actually great. The single study was done by the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency, because we decided to use our oil and natural natural gas especially, which is very very clean compared to just traditional coal andor fracking or fossil fuel extraction. We're the natural gas capital of the world and under Donald Trump, we were exporting more natural gas than we were importing. And because of that, we saw carbon emission carbon emissions go down a little bit when he was president. They've gone up under Joe. >> Not globally though because if you're exporting more that would mean carbon emissions are more like globally outside of the United I'll let you I'll let you go. >> Yeah. Yeah. So I also just want to recognize the fact that there's the largest investment in renewable energy efforts due to the inflation reduction act and we produce more oil in the United States now than any point in American history. So you can sit there and act like we had the most pro energy policy but the most pro energy policy came from the Biden Harris administration. >> So on average how long does an oil lease take to mature? >> I'm not sure. >> Five to six years. So the reason we're seeing the oil renaissance is because oil leases that were signed under Donald Trump. >> There were more oil leases signed under Biden. >> That is not true. That's not close. >> Wait, I can show you. I can really show you. There were more oil leases accepted for drilling. So two examples. Drilling. >> So did Biden get rid of the Keystone XL pipeline? >> So that was a Supreme Court order. He followed through with it. >> No, it was not a Supreme Court. >> Yes, it was. You want me to show you? I'll literally show you this. >> Sign an executive order getting rid of the Keystone XL pipeline to a Supreme Court order. >> Number two, Anoir, which is the Alaska oil natural gas. He decided no more new exploration in Alaska. Alaska is as big as the continuous United States. Let's go a step back. Okay. >> Wait, can I ask you how did by how the Biden Harris administration cause inflation? >> The inflation reduction act. >> The inflation reduction act didn't cause inflation. Actually, it was deficit reducing. >> Spending trillions of dollars we do not have. >> It was deficit reducing. >> Flooding the zone. >> Trump added more to the debt than Biden Harris. >> 8.4 trillion. 4.8 trillion non-co related. 4.3 trillion under Biden Harris. 2.2 trillion non-co related. >> It's 9.6 trillion under Biden so far. >> What's your source? >> I give you a committressional budget office. >> No. Committee for Responsible Federal Budget indicates you're wrong. >> Can Let me finish. First of all, >> and the CBO did not say that. >> Yes, they did. No, they did. $9 trillion in new debt added under Joe Biden. Number two, >> what were the bills? Can >> Can I Can I finish talking here? >> What was the main bill? >> Okay. >> Can I finish talking? Go ahead. >> Okay. There was the infrastructure act. There was the inflation. >> How much debt does that? >> Okay. Debt and spending are two related but not similar things. Under Donald Trump, the federal budget was near $4 trillion a year. What is the federal budget right now? >> It's around 5 trillion. I'm not $6.5 trillion. >> Yeah, but like you understand that debt was still more under Trump. So we can pay for it now, but we couldn't pay for it then. >> The the federal budget is much bigger than it was under Donald Trump. Number two, energy prices have gone up. Why have energy prices gone up? >> Uh global supply of oil. So it's related to CO, it's related to supply chains. Why was there global inflation? >> Russia's war with Ukraine. >> You still haven't answered why why it caused inflation and why there's not global inflation. >> All Western democracies decided to deficit spend dramatically under co. Correct. So we have >> under Donald Trump. Well, a little bit under Trump and >> mostly non-co related spending under Trump. 4.8 trillion for Trump, 2.2 trillion for Biden Harris for debt related spending. >> Again, are you talking about the debts and deficits incurred under Trump or under Biden? >> Debt for under Biden and under Trump. >> So under Trump, there was about $4 trillion added to the national debt. It's it's $9 trillion. >> No, it was 8.4 trillion. 4.8 trillion non-COVID related. >> That that's just not true. You can make a >> true. I can show you from the committee for responsible federal budget. I'll show you the the setup. >> You're conflating numbers of debts and deficits and you're conflating them. >> No, I'm not. Yes, you are. >> Deficits are are each year. Debt is overall calculated by the 10 year. >> Let me ask you a very simple, easy to answer question. Do you at least give Trump credit? We had no new wars for four years. >> Well, again, there was the Turkish Kurdish war. Also, what was the new war caused by the Biden Harris administration? >> Uh Putin invading Ukraine. >> That wasn't caused by the Biden Harris administration. Why was it caused? >> Because Kla Harris went to Munich at the Munich Security Conference 3 weeks before Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine and she said Ukraine should become a member of NATO. Also, Tony Blinken went to Istanbul with Boris Johnson, the then sitting prime minister of the United Kingdom and obliterated a potential peace deal five days into Russia's annexing of Ukraine, which could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives. We have supplied weapons, munitions. We have done everything we possibly can to prevent a peace deal happening to Russian Ukraine. And the blood of those poor Ukrainians and Russians are on the hands of the Biden Harris regime. They have not sought peace. They've sought war. It's on them. And it did not happen under Trump. And Putin invaded and annexed Crimea under Biden. So under under Obama, under Obama, Putin got what he want. under Biden, he got what he want. For four years at Trump, it seems that Putin was on defense. Why is that? >> So, I don't necessarily say I would say Putin was on defense. What I would say as it relates to this is clearly that Donald Trump and Putin having a relationship and not leading to wars wouldn't indicate that somehow Democrats are worse for war. You're just doing a correlation causation fallacy. Just because two things are associated peace. >> Wait, wait, let me please finish again as it relates to that. They think that they're going to reload and then reinvade as they have with Georgia, as they have with Crimea, as they have with with multiple other scenarios. So, I can point to multiple scenarios where Russia continues to want to invade and that's why they're specifically not accepting a peace agreement because they're not going to stop. Okay? You sit there and you believe that they're going to stop just how Donald Trump believed, right, Putin over US intelligence? >> Well, honestly, I intelligence was wrong. >> No, it wasn't. Putin lied. Putin said he didn't interfere in the Russian election. That was proven. They interfered. >> Are are you our intel agencies have lied repeatedly at many things? For example, who bombed Nordstream? >> Wait, but was I wrong with what I just said? >> Yes, you were wrong. How was I wrong? Tell me. Because our US intelligence agencies have been wrong about every major >> But that wasn't wrong. Tell me what was wrong about that statement. >> Which statement? >> The one I just made. Do you forget? >> Repeat it. >> Okay. So So Donald Trump bleeds Putin over US intelligence as it relates to the Russian interference in our 2016 election. Putin. >> Yeah. How what what did they how did they >> There was interference, but there was collusion with Trump that we could prove. >> Okay. I agree with that. >> Okay. So yeah, but what interference was there that changed the election? >> Yeah. So there there were bots that they specifically used on the left wing and on the right wing to get people to change the 2016 election. Maybe it was because Hillary didn't visit Wisconsin or Michigan. >> I don't think the election was stolen. I'm just telling you that there was proven Russian interference. I agree. The 2016 election was fair enough. >> Let's not spend too much time on it. So, >> you tell me why there was global inflation. >> As I mentioned, because Western democracies all decided to pursue a deficit spending spree. >> So, why did it happen in Asia and Africa and South America, Central America? >> I I I would put Japan, Australia, the Philippines in kind of a Western democracy. >> I said all of those places. Literally, every continent experienced this inflation at the same time >> because they use the dollar as a global reserves currency status. And so therefore when we decided deficit spend the entire world. >> So why didn't it happen in the US and then happen the rest of the world? Why did it happen at the same trend? >> Because they use the dollars a glo global >> that doesn't make any sense. Because then it would have happened first in the US and then it would have happened globally. It wouldn't have happened globally at the same time as it happened in the US. >> We were experiencing inflation all throughout this entire thing. We just didn't necessarily feel >> it was 2021 2022 and 2023. >> You think Trump did anything good? >> Yeah. The the operation warp seed I think was good. >> Oh you think? >> Yeah. >> What what what part of that was good? >> Yeah. So, I think it was good to expedite funding specifically to develop vaccines in the United States. I think that was a good thing. I will give him certain things as as it relates to what I think he did was good. I'm not going to say every single thing he did it was bad, but predominantly speaking, I think it's way more bad than what we see. >> The economy was better under Trump or under Biden. >> Uh, so in certain respects, it was better under the Trump administration. In certain respects, it was better now. Actually, right now, there's there's a higher there's higher real median wages right now than there was in 2019, >> according to the St. Louis Federal Reserve. >> You acknowledge people don't have purchasing power because prices are up. Wait, that real median uh wages accounts for inflation. Did you know that? >> Yeah, but you think people right now have the same purchasing power they did under Donald. >> What does real median wages mean? It means accounting for inflation. So wages have gone up accounting for inflation. >> This constant condescending thing. I understand what you're saying. Okay. Reading real minimum med condescending, sir. >> Real median wages is is can they afford the consumer price index on average? Right. >> Unlisted in the Bible. >> Thirsty for clicks right now. Like it's unbelievable. >> And you're so scared to debate me. >> Actually, I'm not scared. me anytime. >> I just I honestly I'm good. I just debated the governor of this state. I don't need to debate you, Parker. Okay. >> He's going to win. I'm telling you. >> This this this this could take a while. >> Okay. First of all, this >> Do we have our terms correct? We agree? >> Actually, no. So, first of all, I would like to refine our terms. I have two points to bring up after that, though. >> So, you define murder as like intentionally like killing a human being. I think that's a very poor way to define murder because if someone were to like break into my home and point a gun at the heads of me and everybody I love and I intentionally kill them to prevent them from unrival from killing my family. I don't think I murdered them. Right. So I would define murder as the unjustified termination of a human life. >> You're making a good point. Let me further clarify that. So self-defense is very warranted. >> Exactly. Right. >> But I I can see where you're going to go with how that has to go with abortion. But we we can go down that journey in a second. >> Yeah. So, I mean, like I I kind of do want to give you my argument in so far as why I'm pro-choice, why I think it's justified. But first, I think that, you know, your position is quite absurd, right? Because you're saying that it is murder to kill a human being, right, at any point in development, especially when it's in the mother's womb. My question to you would be, well, does this make women with IUDs murderers? Because it is the case that in some scenarios, an IUD will allow for conception to occur, meaning there's a unique human life there, but it will prevent its implantation, intentionally killing it. >> Well, no. Preventing implantation is not necessarily the same thing as terminating a fertilized egg. For example, if you take plan B for again it's not it's not the same thing. Preventing the production of pro progesterone is not the same thing as terminating a fully a a being that has been fertilized. You do not know for a fact that the egg has been fertilized. You do not know that when you have an IUD. >> Okay. Yeah. So preventing a fertilization or implantation to the uter lining is killing a conceived zygote. So what happens? A sperm goes into the egg, right? The egg becomes fertilized. It's a conceived zygote. In some cases, it will prevent the implantation of the conceived zygote, killing the conceived zygote. >> In some cases, correct. >> So, what do you say? In some cases, women with IUDs are murderers. >> Of course not. They're not murders. We do not know for a case. That's that's like saying that every >> So, what's the difference between an IUD killing a conceived zygote and like a mother going to Planned Parenthood and killing the fetus in her womb? >> Well, so are you asking you're asking two separate things. If they if they knew for certain to be more clear that I have a fertilized egg and I'm going to take a drug to prevent that fertilized egg from attaching to their uterine wall, then yes, that is an act of killing or murder. Of course. >> Okay. So, do you think all murderers should go to jail? >> Do I think all murderers should go to jail? I mean, on the third on thirddegree murder. However, no. I don't think women that got abortions or had IUDs should go to jail because I think that they have been deceived by mass culture and mass mass propaganda. Secondly, the people who should go to jail are the abortionists who are the ones that have been putting the abortion pill, the ones that have been doing procedures, the ones that have been going into the third trimester and breaking babies backs and inserting them with syringes while the babies are crying and suffocating, being born alive, and then being dead on the operating table. That is who should go to jail.
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