Charlie Kirk Debates Retired Federal Employee on Socialism, Government Waste, and Constitutional Limits

[00:02] does it

[00:02] yeah

[00:03] where is socialism work

[00:05] where is socialism worked

[00:07] you pay your income tax income tax is

[00:09] not socialist it's not

[00:11] no yeah well i think it's way too high

[00:13] isn't it

[00:14] yeah but sexualism is where everybody

[00:16] pays in why don't you do you give more

[00:18] money than your income tax every year to

[00:19] the government

[00:21] do you give more than what the

[00:22] government asks you to give each year

[00:24] yeah i do you do

[00:25] you give more to the government yeah so

[00:27] you give more than what the irs asks you

[00:29] to give yeah you do

[00:32] so you think that do you trust the

[00:33] government i don't take all the

[00:34] deductions that i'm entitled to do you

[00:37] trust the government

[00:39] of course they do

[00:40] you do yeah you trust the government

[00:42] that

[00:45] recklessly

[00:46] audits people they disagree with and

[00:48] runs inefficiently and

[00:50] has huge bureaucracies of nothingness

[00:54] i'm a retired federal employee

[00:57] which agency department of agriculture

[00:59] okay

[01:01] so do you think there's any waste in the

[01:03] food stamp a lot men in the department

[01:04] of agriculture

[01:06] yeah definitely oh so you do think

[01:08] government is wasteful

[01:09] well we have to do something we're not

[01:10] perfect well that's a horrible argument

[01:13] to spend trillions of dollars having to

[01:15] do something

[01:16] isn't it you just admitted you were you

[01:18] worked for the department of agriculture

[01:20] which oversees the distribution of food

[01:23] stamps right and you actually what i did

[01:25] was well part of what the department of

[01:27] agriculture does is

[01:29] you did payroll for the department of

[01:31] agriculture well for most of the

[01:33] government okay you wrote 700 000

[01:36] paychecks twice a month so did you know

[01:38] of any government employees that were

[01:40] not very good at their job

[01:42] did they get fired

[01:44] man they hired contractors to do their

[01:46] work

[01:47] so but did the employee the government

[01:48] employees get fired

[01:51] for not doing their job

[01:54] i find that very hard to believe

[01:58] it's very hard under civil service

[02:00] protection to lose your job in the

[02:01] government bureaucracy

[02:03] very difficult if you go to the mspb

[02:05] you'll see that they have 90 approval

[02:08] rate for dismissing people do you think

[02:10] government is too big

[02:12] yeah

[02:13] okay then you and i are in agreement

[02:16] we agree that there's an efficiency and

[02:18] so that's that's our whole argument i'm

[02:20] saying socialism is what our

[02:21] government's about no it's not

[02:24] part of the worst parts of it might be

[02:26] but i i reject those parts of government

[02:28] book parts

[02:32] yeah that would be a good start food

[02:34] stamps are too much how's in urban

[02:35] development department of education what

[02:37] about social security

[02:39] i don't think i don't think young people

[02:41] should be forced into paying something

[02:42] we're not going to see

[02:43] social security annualized growth rates

[02:45] are lackluster at best the government

[02:48] takes seven percent of our generation's

[02:49] earnings to subsidize older americans

[02:52] have you seen the homeless problem

[02:54] that's the same people that can't sure

[02:55] work for a living

[02:57] problem yeah i mean i think there should

[02:59] be a safety net but not a hammock i

[03:00] think you'd agree with that

[03:04] define what you mean by socialism though

[03:06] because i think we might be taking uh

[03:08] where everybody pays in together

[03:10] everybody pays in for the common good

[03:12] for the common good

[03:14] this university here how many people

[03:16] could go to school here if it wasn't for

[03:18] the government paying part anybody could

[03:20] pay for an education sure there's

[03:21] private institutions that exist sure

[03:23] there are yeah but how do they work

[03:25] quite well because of donations it's

[03:27] they work on socialism so if your

[03:29] example of socialism is college tuition

[03:32] that rises every year that is run widely

[03:35] inefficient administrators that are

[03:36] unchecked professors that should be

[03:38] fired then you and i have the same

[03:39] definition of socialism which is

[03:41] something that doesn't work

[03:43] so here's the thing is i think

[03:44] government is far too big it's gone

[03:46] outside of its constitutional intent and

[03:48] authority and market-based solutions are

[03:50] far better for the well-being of its

[03:52] citizens than government bureaucracies

[03:54] are yeah but there are some things that

[03:55] have to be paid of course no i agree

[03:57] with that police firefighters

[03:59] but wouldn't you agree it's better on a

[04:00] localized level than a nationalized

[04:02] level

[04:03] yeah definitely okay so we agree so

[04:05] localize more government programs don't

[04:07] federalize them

[04:09] but you still have to have government

[04:10] even if it's at the local level sure i'm

[04:12] not an anarchist and that's not

[04:14] socialism

[04:15] okay but my point was that nobody here

[04:17] could go to school if they had to pay

[04:19] for all the cops they do pay for it in

[04:21] tax somebody pays for it somewhere

[04:23] whether it be taxes or the endowment or

[04:24] donations or tuition

[04:26] you know you actually pay for school

[04:27] here the taxpayers mostly the sports

[04:29] program

[04:30] well and taxpayers it is a it is a

[04:32] publicly funded school i would imagine

[04:34] right

[04:35] you know the state school

[04:36] who was admitted to the graduate school

[04:38] had a full-ride scholarship for two

[04:40] years as a graduate student

[04:44] study animation okay

[04:46] so she wasn't paying at a time

[04:48] but somebody paid for it yeah at some

[04:50] point nothing is free somebody's paying

[04:52] for something at some point of the

[04:53] transaction right if they had money it

[04:55] was socialism that somebody paid for it

[04:58] a lot of people right so i i don't i

[04:59] don't support that i don't support other

[05:01] people being able to live on the

[05:03] well-being of the forced extraction of

[05:05] wealth from others

[05:06] i believe for the paying of basic

[05:08] services

[05:09] such as police and fire

[05:11] roads and bridges on the most localized

[05:13] level possible as well as the national

[05:14] military do i believe in the department

[05:16] of education no department of labor no

[05:18] that's our socialism

[05:20] that's why i don't support it

[05:22] you don't believe that we should have

[05:23] roads we should have private roads and

[05:24] people pay for them as they usually i

[05:26] believe as localized as you possibly can

[05:28] be the department of transportation is a

[05:29] mess

[05:31] it's widely inefficient it doesn't work

[05:33] well at all

[05:35] yeah so i mean you're making my argument

[05:37] for me no i'm not i'm saying that that

[05:39] we still have to have socialism even if

[05:41] it isn't

[05:42] uh okay so you you

[05:44] your your example is social so socialism

[05:47] is the government run of of social

[05:50] utilities essentially the government

[05:52] used to the the government

[05:55] monopolization of social utilities

[05:57] and the worst parts of our society such

[05:59] as the veterans administration which

[06:01] runs horribly is a socialist program

[06:09] you