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Charlie Kirk confronts a college student challenging the idea that the Constitution was designed to benefit only white people. Kirk points to Asian-Americans as the wealthiest demographic group per capita in America, arguing this fact undermines claims of systemic racial barriers. The heated exchange covers the Chinese Exclusion Act, Japanese internment camps, and the dramatic rise in black single motherhood following Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society programs. Kirk contends that $22 trillion in federal spending has left black Americans worse off than before government intervention, while the student insists structural racism remains the primary obstacle. The debate exposes fundamental disagreements about whether government programs help or harm disadvantaged communities.
The Constitution and Racial Success in America
Charlie Kirk opened the debate with a provocative question: if the Constitution was written to benefit only white people, why are Asian-Americans the richest demographic group by race in America? The student initially deflected, claiming the Constitution wasn't written to make people rich. Kirk pressed further, noting that Korean-Americans and Vietnamese-Americans have thrived under the American system despite the document not being written in their native languages.
The student countered by bringing up historical discrimination against Asians, specifically mentioning laws in California that prevented Asian immigrants from becoming citizens or owning land, as well as the Chinese Exclusion Act. Kirk acknowledged this history but turned it into support for his argument: Asian-Americans faced severe discrimination and legal barriers, yet they overcame these obstacles to become the wealthiest racial group per capita in America, surpassing white Americans in both income and wealth.
The Asian-American Success Story
The debate intensified when Kirk asked what explained Asian-American economic success if the system was fundamentally rigged against people of color. The student suggested that only the top percentage of Asian-Americans were wealthy, asking about poverty rates in the "global south." Kirk clarified he was discussing American demographics specifically, not global populations.
When asked about the racial demographics of the poorest Americans, the student claimed mostly people of color occupied the bottom of the economic ladder, though acknowledging Asian-Americans topped the socioeconomic hierarchy. The student attempted to dismiss this by claiming it was only a small number, but Kirk insisted the data showed Asian-Americans as the wealthiest per capita group in aggregate.
Kirk attributed Asian-American success to specific behaviors over the last 50 years: graduating from high school in record numbers and maintaining low crime rates. The student made a provocative claim about intelligence differences, which Kirk immediately labeled as racist, stating firmly that he doesn't believe any race is inherently smarter than another.
Government Programs and Black America
Kirk pivoted to discuss the two poorest racial groups in America: Native Americans and African-Americans. He noted that these are precisely the groups the federal government has invested the most resources in helping. Kirk cited the Bureau of Native American Affairs and claimed the government has spent $22 trillion attempting to help black America, yet black Americans are poorer today than before these interventions began.
The student dismissed this as a symptom rather than a cause, attributing poverty to systemic racism embedded in institutions. Kirk disagreed, arguing that failed policies were the culprit, specifically those enacted by Lyndon Baines Johnson, whom he described as a "bitter and committed racist" who reluctantly signed the Civil Rights Act but enthusiastically passed the Great Society programs.
The Great Society's Legacy
Kirk presented striking statistics about black single motherhood: in 1964, the rate was 22%, but it has since risen to 74%. He attributed this dramatic increase to welfare programs that subsidized single motherhood by penalizing marriage. According to Kirk, government benefits were structured so that low-income individuals would lose assistance if they got married, creating perverse incentives that destroyed family formation.
The student questioned why only the black community experienced such a spike in single motherhood if these programs were available to everyone. Kirk responded that access issues played a role because certain communities were specifically targeted by these policies. When the student brought up Asian-Americans being written out of laws in the 1940s and 50s, Kirk countered that this actually proved his point about overcoming adversity without government dependence.
Historical Context and Competing Narratives
Kirk reminded the audience that Asian-Americans were placed in internment camps during the 1940s, representing one of the darkest chapters in American history regarding civil liberties. Despite this severe injustice, Asian-Americans recovered and prospered without massive government intervention programs.
The student referenced Johnson's Great Society legislation, and Kirk noted that Johnson himself allegedly called it a derogatory name using a racial slur, demonstrating his racist intentions. The student acknowledged Johnson's racism but argued the programs still had value. Kirk challenged this, asking why anyone would be proud of programs that "kept black America permanently poor and kept an entire part of the American population without hope."
The exchange concluded with the student claiming inability to speak on behalf of African-Americans, while Kirk insisted that data and outcomes speak for themselves, regardless of one's racial background. The fundamental disagreement remained: whether structural racism or failed government policies better explain persistent economic disparities in America.
Video Transcript
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If the Constitution was written to
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benefit only white people, why is it
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that Asian-Americans are the richest
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people by race in America right now?
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Because the Constitution wasn't written
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to make people rich.
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Was the Constitution written in Korean?
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The Constitution. [laughter]
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Yeah. Yet yet Korean-Americans and
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Vietnamese are actually benefiting the
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greatest from this American experiment.
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Uh actually in California as a direct
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result of Asian success there were laws
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passed that stopped Asian-Americans or
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Asians period Asian immigrants from
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being able to become citizens or own
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land.
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Chinese Exclusion Act you don't recall.
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So no structurally there have been so
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you're proving my point precisely trying
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to make a point.
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I'm so your point is that we were racist
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against Asian-Americans and now they're
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the richest in America. So they went
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through a vast time of inequities and
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they rose above it and they're much
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richer richer for income and wealth than
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than white Americans.
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No, that happens because Americans
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realized that they up and they lost all
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of the labor that was going to be
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possible for people to work on farms in
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California in order to exploit the land
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that was in California. There was no way
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for them to have people to work there.
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And that's why they brought immigrants
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back. That's why
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so so what what social program was
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designed
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literally built on our backs
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that again swearing and saying things
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like that doesn't make your argument any
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more valid okay but it helps me take out
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a little bit of my anger
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that's fair um so [laughter]
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valid for me but then then I focusing on
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if it was rigged for a specific group of
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people Asian-Americans are the richest
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by race the second are Indian-Americans
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people from India and the third would be
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white Americans
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I'm aware so how Why? Why is that?
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How do you feel about phenology racial
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inequality than on the other side?
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So why? No, but explain to me why that
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is. I could tell you why it is though.
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Maybe the top one or 5% are the richest.
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What about the global south? What about
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the poverty? What about the lowest?
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Okay, so let's talk about
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the lowest 50%. What are
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in America or globally? No, in America
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and globally as well. What's their
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racial background?
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What's the racial demographic of that?
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Mostly people of color, not white
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people. But the Asian Asian-Americans
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are at the top of the socioeconomic
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ladder relatively.
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A very small number.
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No, in the aggregate. In the in the
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aggregate, if you look at the the way
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the way the data is compiled and
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presented to us, they are the richest
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per capita group by race in America.
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Why? Because over the last 50 years,
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Asian-Americans graduated from high
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school in record numbers. They did not
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commit crimes.
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We're smarter than you. Sorry.
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Oh, okay.
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That's an unbel That's a racist argument
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you just made.
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I I I'm not going to get into eugenics,
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but you just said you're smarter. I
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don't think that I don't think any race
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is smarter.
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Other races that haven't done what
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you're describing because So, so, okay,
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let me So, the two the the two groups
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that are poorest by race in America are
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Native American Indians and
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African-Americans. We've done the most
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to try to [music] help them over the
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last 50, 60 years. We have the Bureau of
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Native American Affairs in the federal
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government. We spent $22 trillion in the
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federal government trying to help black
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America and black America is poorer
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today than before we tried to start to
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help them. $22 trillion recommendation
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that just exists in the system.
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Okay. So your argument institutional
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racism my argument is failed policies
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that Lyndon Baines Johnson a bitter and
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committed racist. You and I will both
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agree who didn't want to side in the
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civil rights act passed the Great
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Society.
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LBJ was a racist because he was an old
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white man.
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Are all white people racist? I would say
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I would say that that I think white
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people have an implicit bias. You can
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argue with me. I think white people have
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Do you understand how how racist it is
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to think that all white people are
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racist?
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We don't experience systematic racism.
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We don't experience racism when we
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power. Okay. So, let's talk about that.
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So, then how did Asian-Americans climb
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up the power structure?
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That has no anyone explain that to me
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cuz I can't.
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I'll explain. All All Asian most
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Asian-Americans here. Okay. You said
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Native Americans, black Americans
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are the two poorest by race. That's what
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keeps them in common. Okay. They keep
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they've been here for a while.
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Okay. So, you know what keeps them in
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common?
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They also get the most government
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benefits per capita than any other group
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in America because the way government
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programs are that's a symptom, not a
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cause.
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No, no, no. And you can you can go to
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almost a direct day. Black America is
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poorer today than before we started
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helping black America. The welfare
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programs
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helping me by desegregating. I don't
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think that's much help.
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Um, okay. Okay, so how about this? The
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black single motherhood rate in the year
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1964 was 22%. Now it's 74%. How on earth
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does that happen? It happens cuz we
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subsidize single motherhood through the
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70s, 80s, and 90s by saying if you get
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married, you lose your government birth
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control for lower income people. That's
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why
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then why is it only their community, the
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black community, that saw a spike in the
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single motherhood rate?
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Because they don't have the same access
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to it because they've been written out
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of those.
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But weren't Asian-Americans written out
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of the laws in the 1940s and 50s?
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because they are not black.
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Oh, okay. So, it's only black people
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that experienced a tough 20th century.
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No, I'm talking about black people that
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were specifically written out of these
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laws.
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Asian-Americans were written out of laws
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1940s. We put Asian-Americans in
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internment camps, by the way. So, what
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did he call the Great Society Act? Since
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you call him daddy, he called it the
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[laughter] No, he called it the N-word
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bill. He was a bitter and committed
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racist.
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I know he was a racist, but we still got
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these things through. You mean the
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things that kept black America
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permanently poor and kept an entire part
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of the American population without hope?
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That's something you're proud of?
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I'm not an African-American person, so I
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can't speak on that behalf.
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But you can look at data. What other
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buzz?
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I don't think you are either, so I don't
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know if you can speak. But I mean like
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like what what data do you have to
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argue that?