Have a watch of Charlie Kirk talking to
Oxford Union students where he explains
in no uncertain terms that what happened
October 7th cannot be dressed up in any
moral way as being something that could
be described as
resistance. This is so important to be
clear about and Charlie makes it very
clear. Have a watch. No, thank you. Um,
but then in terms of the question of
being pro-Israel and the right of Israel
to exist when Palestine very much exists
and they're fighting for their own
self-determination, how do you reconcile
both?
So, I would push back a little bit as
what Hamas did on October 7th was not a
fight for self-determination. I I I
would find great exception to that
claim. uh going 1300 people going in on
a holy day on samat shamatra 50 days
after the six- day war um on Shabbat to
go to kabutzas and a music festival to
kill 1300 people and take 200 host
hostages all while filming it on GoPro
cameras and then some of which not all
calling back to their relatives on
WhatsApp saying I just killed 10 Jews
can you believe it I just killed 10 Jews
I'm sorry that's not a fight for
self-determination that's something
horrific and brutal and evil that every
human being with a conscious would say
that's wrong and we don't support that.
And so again, as far as this idea of
self-determination, there are important
and these are not trap questions. The
settlements make it very difficult in
the West Bank. What is a Palestinian?
What are the borders? Who's in charge?
These are again, and it also kind of
goes back to this because I also have to
throw it back. Some people believe that
Palestine or whatever the state will be
called, let's just call it PA, is from
the river to the sea. Okay. So then you
don't believe in a Jewish state. I come
I come from the premise that I think a
Jewish state should exist. If you want a
Palestinian state, tell me where, tell
me who, tell me how, and I will be
open-minded to hear that contention. But
if it's nothing more than the
eradication of jewelry between, you
know, Jerusalem to Tel Aviv and Hifa,
I'm sorry. That's where now we're
blurring on the going backwards, not
forwards, from okay, we're going from
Israeli government to Israel to some
problem with the Jews. Does that make
sense? That kind of g that gradation of
regression, I think, is very harmful to
the dialogue. Polly, of course, is
absolutely right. anyone that dares
describe what Hamas is doing as
resistance. Um it's it's supporting evil
and it's patently not the case when you
are indiscriminately killing men, women,
and children um simply because they're
Jewish, calling up your parents saying,
"Mom, I kill Jews. Allah Abba," it is uh
delusional at best to describe that as
resistance. But here's the kicker. The
kicker is that unfortunately when
Charlie says that cannot be described as
you know a resistance for
self-determination. The kicker is that
unfortunately the entire Palestinian
cause from beginning till end has never
been about resistance has never been
about self-determination. If you study
it just a little bit of time and
objectivity you'll see that the whole
cause has never been about
self-determination. It's been about
getting rid of the Jews. It's been about
ideological hatred. It's not about a
legitimate grievance. There's so many
ways to prove this. Point number one, if
all the Jews, God forbid, were to
convert to Islam, they would put down
their weapons, which proves it's not
about a national cause. It's about
religious hatred and Islam is Islamist
expansionism. Number two, between 1948
to 1967, Jordan and Egypt illeg
illegally occupied the West Bank, Judea,
and Samaria, and Gaza. No great calls
for Palestinian statethood then for
self-determination to be freed from uh
Jordan and Egypt. We didn't see that
then. No, in the 1960s they come up with
this Palestinian flag and identity
because they're realizing they're not
winning these wars to destroy Israel.
Which leads very nicely to point three.
What was the purpose of the wars in
1948, in 1967, 1973? Was it to get their
Palestinian state? No, it was to destroy
Israel. That was what the Nakba really
was. that when it was coined and termed
the catastrophe, people think it's
because of the displacement. No, no, the
dis the displacement was actually
self-inflicted because they decided to
go to war against Israel as opposed to
accepting the UN saying, "Well, we're
the Britain has handed this over to us.
There are Jews living here. There are
Arabs living here. Um, there was a
Jewish state here thousands of years
ago. There are a lot of Arabs living
here as well. So, let's just divide it
into two lands. The Jews accept it. The
Arabs reject and they go to war against
Israel. It's that, you know, their
decision led to this displacement. Many
of them actually fled because the Arab
leaders and army said, "Flee. Let us
throw the Jews into the sea, then you
can come back." But the key point is
this. Had they won in 48 or 67, they
would not have created this free
Palestine, they would have just
controlled different parts. Jordan would
have a chunk of the land, Egypt, um, you
know, Syria, proving it's not about
self-determination and freedom for the
people of Palestine. Indeed, in the
Palestinian National Charter created in
the 60s, they say, "We consider
ourselves an inseparable an inseparable
part of the Arab nation." So, they're
not a distinct nation. It's not about
self-determination ultimately. It's
about the Jews reestablishing
sovereignty in their ancient homeland,
which is deeply threatening to their
Islamist expansionist views. Hi, thank
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