🚨 Charlie Kirk Demolishes ANTI-ISRAEL Student's Arguments One By One

[00:00] this is Charlie Kirk talking to someone

[00:02] just recently on a campus in America

[00:04] someone who's clearly very hostile to

[00:06] Israel and uh here he gets quite

[00:11] thoroughly uh schooled and and rebutted

[00:14] by Charlie have a watch of this really

[00:17] uh interesting conversation and then

[00:19] I'll have some reaction to

[00:22] it hey what's up J I was going to ask

[00:24] you um you think that Israel should

[00:27] displace the Palestinians from Palestine

[00:29] to

[00:30] Egypt and Jordan it's a tough question I

[00:33] will say this guys I'm happy to do the

[00:35] whole the whole afternoon on Israel but

[00:37] let's try to get other questions but um

[00:39] that's what I'm I'd just like to pause

[00:40] by the way and say it's quite it's quite

[00:43] funny and and you know it's I feel for

[00:47] Charlie in a way that he's probably

[00:48] trying to talk about all kinds of issues

[00:50] related to America and people from both

[00:52] the right and the left and the Islamic

[00:54] side constantly come up to him to talk

[00:55] about Israel and he's thinking I'm sure

[00:59] many people would be like what is this

[01:00] with this obsession with Israel why the

[01:03] world is obsessed with Israel Taps into

[01:05] much deeper spiritual realities and

[01:07] mechanisms going on which I've touched

[01:09] on in many videos um but that's not for

[01:11] now but it's just a funny thing to know

[01:13] anyway keep going I'm not blaming you

[01:15] I'm the audience uh it's a difficult

[01:17] question I don't know what the solution

[01:18] is I don't so you think it's it's right

[01:21] for them to say it's right I'm saying

[01:23] the solution is very difficult because

[01:26] the people of Gaza have shown that they

[01:27] are incapable of self-government sure

[01:30] incapable that when they are given

[01:31] self-government it becomes a terrorist

[01:33] hotbed and it becomes a nightmare for

[01:37] the the Jewish people and War ensues so

[01:39] I don't know what but my question here

[01:41] is do you think it's ethnic cleansing

[01:42] for to forcibly tell them to get out of

[01:45] Gaza again I I'm not even saying I

[01:47] support this is what this is what Trump

[01:48] said I I know what Trump said I'm not

[01:50] even saying that I think that's a good

[01:51] idea I do want someone to tell me what

[01:53] the solution is though cuz that's an

[01:55] idea yes EG Egypt actually offered the

[01:57] offered the solution but Trump

[02:00] what would you say the solution is the

[02:01] solution is to have an Arab Arab uh

[02:05] state to govern them basically and for

[02:07] Hamas not to be in control that's all

[02:09] I'm saying right so we had something

[02:12] close to that though for years where

[02:16] Gaza was controlled by Hamas Gaza

[02:18] democratically elected Hamas in two in

[02:21] 2006 that's correct but they weren't

[02:22] able to democratically democratically

[02:24] elect again after 2006 that's correct

[02:26] got because the people liked it it's not

[02:29] because people liked it is because they

[02:30] didn't have any other choice but to do

[02:32] we don't know you might be right I might

[02:34] be right I think I'm right let me tell

[02:35] you why okay why because when the

[02:38] terrorists went and killed a bunch of

[02:39] Jews on October 7th yes I know that a

[02:41] lot of people were happy to see yes why

[02:45] is that why is that because it didn't

[02:46] start on October 7th it didn't start on

[02:48] October 7th yeah but this this is so

[02:50] this is where we're going to disagree

[02:52] okay so I I look at things in the term

[02:55] of right and wrong and just and unjust

[02:58] not oppressor or oppressor

[03:00] a more a different worldview that could

[03:02] be on the left not saying you are would

[03:04] say hey the people of Gaza I voted for

[03:06] Trump by the way no no I'm not saying

[03:07] yeah for sure great we just might not

[03:10] agree on this issue the people of

[03:12] Gaza some people would say hey it's been

[03:14] a bubbling up problem we're going to

[03:16] justify what's happening on October 7th

[03:19] we look at that and we say it's never

[03:21] acceptable to go and kidnap and to go

[03:24] cut throats unprovoked unprompted it's

[03:27] against international law and I believe

[03:28] that Israel as well like were they they

[03:30] did a lot of things that were against

[03:32] international law as well well I I don't

[03:36] quite know what that would mean but yeah

[03:38] I mean war crimes such as such as mass

[03:42] people yeah man it's just again I don't

[03:44] want to keep going in circles but it's

[03:45] like I can't see a single instance of

[03:48] Israel going out of its way to kill

[03:50] civilians you don't see a single

[03:51] instance of what Israel going out of its

[03:53] way to kill civilians I see Israel going

[03:55] out of its way so you don't believe what

[03:56] they've done is genocide no of course

[03:58] not because all right let's let's get

[04:00] our terms let's just go what is genocide

[04:02] a genocide basically is basically Mass a

[04:06] certain group be uh because of their

[04:08] ethnicity race or culture or religion so

[04:11] was October 7th a genocide it wasn't a

[04:14] genocide no by your own definition yeah

[04:16] yeah yeah let me tell you why let me

[04:17] tell you why because the icj now is

[04:18] investigating Israel they're not

[04:20] investigating Hass for genocide if you

[04:22] know that who the icj yeah the icj is

[04:25] anti-israel hasband for a while oh okay

[04:28] okay yeah sure sure they are why you say

[04:30] that well because they're funded largely

[04:32] by Arab funded by who by funded by who

[04:34] Hamas like by Qatar and Saudi Arabia and

[04:37] by very wealthy Gulf dictatorships but I

[04:39] just want hold on you're trying to say

[04:41] that Hamas was not investigated for what

[04:43] happened on October 7th Hamas is not

[04:44] being investigated by the icj of being

[04:47] of of doing genocide yes that have you

[04:49] watched the videos I have watched the

[04:51] videos yeah I feel like did you see the

[04:54] one where and when when they were

[04:55] laughing you saw that one sure sure I

[04:57] think I think I think Hames what they've

[04:59] done was barbarism I think they're ter a

[05:01] war crime I think I think I think Hames

[05:03] is a terrorist group I really think they

[05:04] are but that doesn't justify what Israel

[05:07] has done so far that's all I'm saying

[05:09] well again there's two two separate

[05:11] things but everything Israel did was in

[05:14] what October 7 you believe that that the

[05:16] M for example is one of the one of the

[05:18] biggest agencies in the world might

[05:19] might be even better than the CIA right

[05:21] yes and no I don't think they're nearly

[05:23] as effec as people they are let me let

[05:26] me let me just prove my point please so

[05:28] what I'm trying to say here is that

[05:29] basically the Mad knew about the attack

[05:31] from Ham cuz they only had like Chinese

[05:33] bicycles B bikes and stuff like that to

[05:35] go in so what I think is that basically

[05:38] the musab basically they knew about this

[05:39] attack cuz Hamas basically is Israel's

[05:41] biggest asset if Hamas wasn't there if

[05:44] Hamas wasn't there they would have not

[05:45] they would have not killed anybody so I

[05:47] think I I just want to make sure I

[05:49] understand your argument there's there

[05:51] one part of the argument is asking did

[05:52] Israel know and was there a standown

[05:55] order I asked that question never gotten

[05:57] an answer you're going a step further we

[05:59] don't have proof we Pro and

[06:00] hypothesizing that the Mad which is

[06:03] their CIA wanted it to happen yes okay I

[06:06] think that's insane why do you why do

[06:08] you think it's insane so you think that

[06:09] mad which are Jews wanted 1300 Jews to

[06:13] die they they didn't know that 1300

[06:15] people would die but they wanted to see

[06:17] something so that they can be able to

[06:19] actually attack Palestine got it so

[06:22] we're we're just not going to agree

[06:24] because you have a much lower view of

[06:25] Jewish people than I do no I believe in

[06:27] Israel's right to exist too I know but

[06:29] but just to pause for one second I mean

[06:31] if that's the case why would Israel have

[06:33] left G in 2005 why would Israel desert

[06:36] all these places I think wrongly by the

[06:38] way but desert you know uh the the Sinai

[06:42] among others because they're trying to

[06:45] get peace so you're saying well now

[06:48] they're having these attacks so they can

[06:50] go back and take it back I'm sorry it

[06:52] just it doesn't doesn't work with

[06:54] Israel's prior actions is that the

[06:56] Jewish leadership of Massad wanted P the

[07:00] Gaz the Hamas to attack yes because what

[07:02] I'm trying to tell you is that they had

[07:04] homemade drones

[07:06] too Hamas has homemade drones that they

[07:08] use oh okay okay so how did how are they

[07:11] not able to see all of that happening is

[07:13] all I'm trying to

[07:15] say well I mean first of all that part

[07:17] of it is a legitimate question but

[07:19] getting to as far as saying that must be

[07:21] the case it's a big

[07:23] leap it was a holy day sure right which

[07:27] is very important it was Shabbat which

[07:29] is is you know 90% of IDF troops aren't

[07:31] there but let me just kind of close on a

[07:33] moral question point then a question

[07:36] number one Hamas did not go after

[07:38] military targets they went after

[07:41] civilian targets that's that's correct

[07:43] inexcusable number two though that's

[07:45] what they were able to put their hands

[07:46] on let me ask you a question who do you

[07:49] think there's a good guy or a bad guy in

[07:51] the equation of Israel vers Hamas as of

[07:54] who I'm asking which one do you think is

[07:57] good bad better or worse I think I think

[07:59] m is bad I think what what the Israel

[08:01] government is doing is bad as well

[08:03] that's why we don't have an agreement so

[08:05] let me ask you just a hypothetical and I

[08:07] don't mean to be interruptive sure what

[08:09] should Israel have done in response to

[08:12] 1300 people in the most horrendous way

[08:14] to Target Hamas members in a in a better

[08:16] way to not m is a better way explain

[08:19] what that looks like well there's a

[08:20] reason why they have special forces

[08:21] there's a reason why they have best

[08:23] military there's a reason why they have

[08:25] the best military equipment in the world

[08:27] so that they' be able to Target Hamas

[08:28] members that yeah but they did all of

[08:31] that and so I just I never get a

[08:32] concrete answer so what I just want is a

[08:36] a I'm not going to defend everything

[08:37] that every IDF soldier ever did but I

[08:39] find it so interesting that everything

[08:41] that Israel does gets so hyper examined

[08:44] through this lens that no other country

[08:46] ever gets held to the standard of ever

[08:48] nobody does anything like

[08:50] Israel you believe that with with

[08:52] Palestine yeah you believe that no other

[08:55] country does what Israel does with

[08:56] Palestine

[08:58] yeah really

[09:00] yeah who else tell me you think that no

[09:03] I want you to I want you to just pause

[09:05] you think that from the African Civil

[09:06] Wars has anybody done anything worse to

[09:08] the to to the Palestinians more than the

[09:11] Israel uh yeah yeah a lot of people have

[09:14] actually like the interment camps

[09:16] throughout China for the weager Muslims

[09:18] or the Norther Korean open air

[09:20] concentration camps well well basically

[09:22] they didn't commit

[09:24] genocide yeah it's they didn't want

[09:25] ethnic cleansing let me just let me just

[09:27] close with this this is not your your

[09:29] name Yousef Yousef this is not your

[09:31] fault but it is an intentional

[09:34] provocation and I find it to be

[09:36] repulsive not you but generally the

[09:38] overuse of the word genocide because

[09:41] when you keep on using genocide you're

[09:43] basically trying to cheapen actual

[09:45] genocides that have happened the last

[09:47] 100 years why would I have to cheapen it

[09:49] I I I I I still believe that there are

[09:51] the genocides that happen too so so you

[09:54] you think so you think if I say want I

[09:56] just want to make sure I understand this

[09:58] you think that Israel's intentionally

[09:59] trying to as many people of Gaza as

[10:02] possible yes well they're not doing a

[10:04] great job of it cuz the population keeps

[10:05] on get going up well yeah they 50,000 so

[10:08] far no not even since October 7th maybe

[10:11] 20,000 no but again how did you get your

[10:13] information what 20,000 what well it's

[10:16] again you want to fact check me you want

[10:18] to you're you're getting too combative I

[10:20] don't trust any of I don't trust any of

[10:22] the numbers of the International

[10:23] Community but if it was really their

[10:25] goal to kill as many people of Gaza as

[10:28] possible why doesn't Israel just bomb

[10:30] and all right now because because

[10:32] basically all the world is going to be

[10:33] totally against it which they are but it

[10:35] gets to a point that's all I'm trying to

[10:37] say like how you want you want me to you

[10:39] want to say that why wouldn't they just

[10:41] knew Gaza is what you trying to say why

[10:42] not because they' actually have tried

[10:44] they have done their best to so there

[10:45] are some facts they would they would be

[10:47] able to they drop leaflets before they

[10:48] bomb they do medical emergency surgeries

[10:52] for people of Gaza every single day all

[10:54] throughout Israel they are help they are

[10:56] they are saving people's lives of Gaza

[10:58] every day bomb churches too do you know

[11:00] that yeah and I actually spoke out

[11:02] against it yeah yeah and I don't know

[11:04] you one time you've said that the Jews

[11:06] that the Jews have never been ruled

[11:07] peacefully under the Arab rule well I

[11:10] asked I asked for an example of that yes

[11:12] yeah there are a couple okay I again I

[11:15] think the Jews in this audience wouldn't

[11:16] trust Muslims to govern them I'm I'm

[11:19] saying in the Ottoman Empire you trust

[11:21] Muslims to govern wait I'm saying in the

[11:22] Ottoman Empire uh andal Empire from the

[11:26] I I I would not point to the otoman

[11:27] Empire as being a don't cut me off

[11:29] please I'm saying I'm saying that Andel

[11:32] from the 8th to 12th centuries they say

[11:33] four centuries they say four centuries

[11:35] in peace it was actually called the

[11:37] Golden Age of the Jews did you know that

[11:39] Charlie uh well actually the Jews were

[11:41] in Exile during that time weren't they

[11:43] wasn't wer weren't they in Babylonia and

[11:45] that's when the Babylonian T was WR when

[11:48] took control they basically welcomed the

[11:49] Jews for four centuries you can look up

[11:51] yeah but they were they were not in

[11:52] Israel were they not in Israel but ask

[11:56] how could it be the Golden Age of the

[11:57] Jews if they weren't in Israel

[11:59] they that's what they called it is what

[12:01] I'm trying to say that's what the

[12:02] Muslims called it no no no listen listen

[12:03] listen cuz you what you said what you

[12:05] said is basically that they never lived

[12:06] in peace under the AR I'm I actually I

[12:08] asked a question I said can you point to

[12:11] an example I just pointed it out to you

[12:13] right now I I I find it to be completely

[12:15] lackluster it's just not true but was

[12:18] there no peace to the Jews in Andel ire

[12:20] is what you're trying to say no I I

[12:21] again I don't want to go back into like

[12:23] 8th Century history that's what you

[12:25] asked you asked a broad question I

[12:26] didn't ask you that was a video like a

[12:27] couple weeks ago but but I no I would

[12:30] not say the Ottoman Empire was an

[12:32] example of Peace but I just I just want

[12:34] to be if Israel laid down all of its

[12:36] weapons what would happen if Israel

[12:38] would lay down all of its weapons I I've

[12:40] heard what you said you said that

[12:42] basically that Hamas members will

[12:43] basically take control of Israel or or

[12:46] the Arab world would right the Arab

[12:48] world wouldn't why would the Arab world

[12:49] would why did they do it on the Six Day

[12:51] War why would they do it on the yamap

[12:53] war the sixth day war you talk about the

[12:54] sixth day war when Israel basically

[12:55] attacked

[12:57] Egypt no they were attacked provoked by

[12:59] you I it's it's like I just let me just

[13:02] pause I want to get to another question

[13:05] but I have to say something and it's

[13:07] this is what's disappointing it's it's

[13:09] okay's he's being he's coming in good

[13:10] faith I I have never been more

[13:14] pessimistic that this problem will ever

[13:16] be solved not because of you but because

[13:19] there's just two different realities

[13:20] when it comes to this and you cannot

[13:22] solve a problem when one side has a

[13:25] completely different telling of History

[13:27] than the other and that's fine I'm not

[13:28] trying to attack you think what I'm

[13:29] saying what I'm saying about history is

[13:31] wrong but theut yes but I don't want to

[13:33] dwell on that but more me though again

[13:35] more importantly than that okay is that

[13:38] the other side has a completely

[13:39] different view of it so I don't even

[13:41] know how we can reconcile this there are

[13:43] extremists on both sides that's what I'm

[13:45] trying to tell well here that's the

[13:46] problem there might be for me personally

[13:47] I'm Arab and and I still believe in

[13:49] Israel's right to exist but there I'm

[13:50] glad I'm glad to hear that I I say there

[13:53] are extremists on the isra Israeli side

[13:55] I think all of Hamas is Extreme so I I I

[13:59] don't even want to say we're going to

[13:59] agree to disagree I I don't even I don't

[14:01] even know what planet you're coming from

[14:03] for this stuff I think that I I just say

[14:05] that what stuff for what stuff you think

[14:07] what all I just just the idea that you

[14:10] you would even entertain the idea that

[14:12] that Jews could live peacefully under

[14:14] Muslims that that you're looking at a

[14:16] two-state solution it's fine I'm not

[14:17] trying to by the way just to pause for a

[14:19] second just to be clear about this yes

[14:22] in some periods of Islamic rule let's

[14:26] say in the Ottoman Empire Jews may have

[14:28] fed somewhat better than they did under

[14:31] under Christian rules but to say that it

[14:34] was great is ridiculous okay they still

[14:39] had were second class citizens they

[14:41] still had to play you know pay the the

[14:43] jiz attx um there was still though

[14:46] occasional there were pgrs literal

[14:49] murders blood lials Force conversions

[14:52] especially in the later years of the

[14:54] Empire um they faced all kind of

[14:57] restrictions on job opportunity

[14:59] testimony in courts um even facing

[15:02] restrictions on on things like clothing

[15:05] they were very much second class

[15:07] citizens there's also been times when

[15:09] Jews faced extremely uh bloody massacres

[15:12] from Islamic rulers and persecutors so

[15:16] let's just be clear that the notion that

[15:18] Jews they'll be absolutely fine under

[15:21] Islamic rule

[15:22] is you would be clearly holding the Jews

[15:25] in contempt if you genuinely believe

[15:28] that

[15:29] and I think this guy by the way

[15:32] really he seems to me that's why Charlie

[15:34] seems to be having a bit of uh you know

[15:37] he said at the start you know I'm not

[15:38] blaming you for this it seems to me he's

[15:40] more just been conditioned to think

[15:42] these things rather than have really

[15:44] thought it through objectively anyway

[15:45] let's finish the video there I'll give

[15:46] you some final thoughts criticize you I

[15:49] just I just don't I do you think that do

[15:52] you in which country is more has that

[15:56] looks more like American values Israel

[15:58] or the Palestinian Authority I think as

[16:01] I think Israel yeah okay yeah and so you

[16:04] say a two-state solution what what in

[16:06] conclusion would that look like that

[16:08] would that would conclude that the

[16:09] Palestine would have uh the right to

[16:11] exist and they would have uh the right

[16:13] to govern themselves and that why can't

[16:16] they be part of Jordan why would they be

[16:18] a part of Jordan what what is the

[16:20] national identity of Palestine educate

[16:22] me Palestinians what what what is that

[16:25] like what do you mean what is that yeah

[16:26] what What ethnicity are they Arabs

[16:29] okay so all Arabs are

[16:31] Palestinians no but they are Arabs what

[16:34] you trying to say what is your point I'm

[16:36] trying to say because at what point does

[16:38] somebody become a Palestinian when he

[16:40] was born in Palestine or with his

[16:42] parents are Palestinians again this is

[16:43] why we're talking past each other what

[16:45] what you trying to say I don't think the

[16:46] place exists what cuz it Doesn't it's

[16:49] called Judea and Samaria it's not called

[16:51] paltin you don't believe that palan have

[16:53] the right to exist no everyone has a

[16:55] right to exist show me where it is I it

[16:58] it it's it's it's a it's a non-existent

[17:01] place okay yeah that's I don't think

[17:03] we're going to that's why we're on

[17:04] different planets right so here in

[17:07] closing with this I find it very hard to

[17:09] sympathize at all with a group that

[17:11] decided to attack another civilian force

[17:14] of babies and girls and go to a concert

[17:16] and keep them with hostages and then

[17:18] play the victim instead of playing the

[17:20] victim they never should have attacked

[17:21] Israel in the first place 7th you're

[17:23] talking about October 7th of course I am

[17:25] but it didn't H but it didn't start on

[17:26] October 7th that's what I'm trying to

[17:27] tell you you see we have a different

[17:29] reading1 war 2014 yes of course there

[17:32] were little skirmishes but it's

[17:34] ridiculous look the Hamas it's it's

[17:37] inevitable that they do all this no it's

[17:39] not every war he talks about everything

[17:41] that the Palestinian side lament all

[17:43] those previous Wars security checkpoints

[17:45] displacement were caused because they

[17:48] chose to war against to go to war

[17:49] against the Jews not because the Jews

[17:51] provoked them they were trying to kill

[17:53] the Jews even before there was in Israel

[17:56] you see we have a different reading1 war

[17:58] 2014 of course there were little

[17:59] skirmishes but nothing there weren't

[18:02] skirmishes they elevated this to such a

[18:04] level they invited they invited the

[18:06] Israel response to a level they knew

[18:09] what was going to happen and and now

[18:10] they're complaining about it I'm sorry

[18:12] what Hames did was wrong I believe what

[18:13] Hames did was wrong and they were they

[18:15] were I'm not going to listen to your

[18:17] complaints when you go and mask

[18:20] civilians and women thank you for your

[18:21] time I appreciate it so the thing I want

[18:23] to reflect on because Charlie made a lot

[18:26] of points covered a lot of ground there

[18:28] um it's just a couple points a couple

[18:30] things um the first thing is that the

[18:33] one thing I would pick up Charlie on is

[18:35] he he was critical of Israel in this

[18:40] church that I think it sounded like got

[18:42] slightly damaged um when Israel was

[18:46] retaliating in Gaza and he went out

[18:48] against Israel and said how are you

[18:50] doing this and then the idef responded

[18:52] saying because there were there was

[18:54] Hamas targets there and we know and

[18:56] Charlie knows full well that Hamas

[18:59] among um you know religious buildings

[19:03] civilian buildings schools

[19:05] hospitals does he have any idea about

[19:07] the amount of I mean forget uh mosque or

[19:11] churches synagogues and ancient

[19:13] synagogues that have been damaged in

[19:14] Israel's Wars or destroyed in Israel's

[19:17] Wars and I thought it was

[19:20] quite it was very poor

[19:22] form of Charlie to go out just start at

[19:26] the start of Israel's war given his

[19:27] level of platform

[19:30] to uh criticize Israel about this you

[19:33] know for hitting the or damaging this

[19:35] church slightly um I don't think it was

[19:38] massively damaged in the end but I think

[19:40] it was slightly

[19:42] damaged and it's like he had no context

[19:45] about why Israel was going in there he

[19:48] didn't bother to get his information

[19:50] first and it seemed to me like he was

[19:52] kind of appeasing an anti a growing

[19:55] anti-israel right-wing Grassroots

[20:00] base now I say that because of course

[20:03] we're seeing here and we've subsequently

[20:04] and

[20:05] previously seen Charlie be really really

[20:08] articulate when it comes to the defense

[20:11] of Israel and the Jewish people and I

[20:14] could see him here getting so frustrated

[20:16] it's clear he wants to be talking about

[20:18] all kinds of

[20:19] topics and I think it looks to me like

[20:22] he's starting to come back to planet

[20:25] Earth come back to the

[20:27] realization that the criticis of Israel

[20:29] is based on

[20:31] illogical

[20:33] Prejudice and you can see that he's

[20:35] clearly clearly realizing that and it's

[20:39] good to see that he's come back to

[20:42] um just being very clear on that rather

[20:45] than trying to appease any base that is

[20:49] you know

[20:51] just saying things because they are

[20:53] hostile to Israel on an ideological

[20:56] basis rather than

[20:59] an objective basis so credit where

[21:01] credits due to Charlie he's a really

[21:04] articulate defender of much of Israel's

[21:08] calls and while I might not agree with

[21:09] him on every point so much of what he

[21:11] said here I think is true and fair and

[21:14] he's really doing a really really good

[21:16] job of making the case for uh Israel and

[21:21] certainly for why there is zero Merit to

[21:25] anything within the Palestinian cause

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