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Charlie Kirk is the Founder and President of Turning Point USA, the largest and fastest growing conservative youth activist organization in the country with over 250,000 student members, over 150 full-time staff, and a presence on over 2,000 high school and college campuses nationwide. Charlie is also the Chairman of Students for Trump, which aims to activate one million new college voters on campuses in battleground states in the lead up to the 2020 presidential election. His social media reaches over 100 million people per month and according to Axios, he is one of the "top 10 most engaged" Twitter handles in the world. He is also the host of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” which regularly ranks among the top news shows on Apple podcast charts.
Subscribe on YouTubeCharlie Kirk's Final Book Stop in the Name of God Reveals His Vision for Healing America
Charlie Kirk completed his final book just weeks before his death, offering a message about the Sabbath as God's answer to a culture spinning out of control. His widow, Erika Kirk, CEO of Turning Point USA, shares how the book transformed their family life and represents Charlie's prophetic guide for the conservative movement. Kirk believed that stopping one day a week wasn't weakness but obedience, a radical act of resistance against the noise and chaos of modern society. The book advocates for turning off phones, stepping away from social media, and rediscovering the ancient rhythm of rest that bridges generational gaps and rehumanizes a fractured culture. Erika reveals how these were Charlie's last written words, finished in July during family time, and how she believes he wrote them specifically for her and the movement he built.
Charlie Kirk's Final Message to America
Charlie Kirk held a conviction that would become the subject of his final book: observing the Sabbath to refocus on what truly matters. "Says very clearly in the scriptures, for six days you shall work and the seventh day you shall rest," Kirk taught. "If you are feeling overrun by society, you might be feeling depressed or anxious. Here's just one way that you might be able to improve. Turn your phone off for one day. No contact, no social media, no work. Your mental health will improve dramatically. You can hang out with friends. You can go for a walk, but don't work for one day. That is a day for worship. That is a day for the Lord. That is a day to go be with God. That is a day to read your Bible and be out of the busyness and the hurriedness and the just the anger and the noise of this world."
Weeks before his death, Charlie finished what would become his final book, Stop in the Name of God: Why Honoring the Sabbath Will Transform Your Life. His widow, Erika Kirk, CEO of Turning Point USA, wrote the forward and continues to process the weight of these final words from her husband.
A Book Written from Experience, Not Theory
Erika revealed she hasn't been able to finish reading the book yet. "You only get so many firsts and lasts in your life. And so for me, this is one all tied together. It's the first that I'm reading my husband's last and final book that he wrote. And when you finish that, that's the last time you read it," she explained.
In the book, Charlie wrote: "The Sabbath is God's answer to a culture spinning out of control. It is his ancient rhythm of sanity, planted like an anchor in a world swept away by currents of chaos. Six days we work, build, create, engage. On the seventh day, we stop. But not because we're weak. We stop because we're human. We don't rest because we're lazy. We rest because we're obedient."
Erika emphasized that Charlie didn't write the book to figure things out. "He wrote this because it was already figured out and he saw, 'Wow, this changed and impacted my life.'" She's been praying about the book's significance, feeling as if Charlie wrote it specifically for her. "These are his last words written that were on his heart. He finished this in July when we were together as a family."
A Guide for the Movement and Personal Healing
The book carries a dual message. For Erika personally, it represents Charlie's voice cutting through the noise of critics and public opinion. "He's basically saying, 'Baby E, just stop. Stop. You don't have to answer to every single person that's accusing you of things or saying that you're doing this or grieving a certain way. Baby, just stop. You know who you are and whose you are, and I'm here. I see you.'"
For the conservative movement Charlie helped build, the book serves as something more prophetic. "You can have all the political stances that you want. You can be able to make all the different strategy and political moves that you want, but at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, we are human," Erika said. "We are so fragile and we are human. We are not machines. If you really want to be used in a way that is so profound to change this world, you have to press pause and you have to be able to listen to the Lord, listen from the Lord, be able to have people around you that will pour into you, that will mentor you, that will love on you."
Dennis Prager's Influence and Charlie's Initial Resistance
Dennis Prager played a significant role in encouraging Charlie to adopt Sabbath observance. At first, Charlie resisted, wondering how he could possibly shut down for a full day when running Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action. "If I shut off my phone, how many things wouldn't get done?" he initially thought. But when he finally implemented the practice and checked his phone after the Sabbath, there were only two messages.
The practice represented a retraining of the world around him. "People, you're almost like training the people around you to say, 'Hey, this is how life used to be. You left the office at 5:00. No one could reach you and then you had a beeper, but no one could reach you until the next morning,'" Erika explained. "It's retraining the world to say, 'Okay, at 5:00, unless it's an emergency, give me a phone call. I'm not going to respond to your text message. I'm with my babies. I'm putting the kids to bed. I'm spending time with my husband. I'm fixing the generational gap because I want to be able to show them rest and importance. You're a priority, not my office.'"
Sabbath Dinners and Family Connection
For the Kirk family, Sabbath observance centered on Friday night dinners. "The thing that was so special about our Sabbath dinners was that it wasn't about religious protocol. It was literally going to my mom's house," Erika shared. Her mother was battling a rare illness, and Charlie had become her best friend. "I would always say that Charlie was her favorite child."
These dinners focused on bridging the generational gap. "My kids don't have phones. They're not looking at iPads. They're not looking at screens. We're sitting together and we're talking and we're loving on each other. How was your week? What were your wins? What are you grateful for? We went around the table and talked about that."
Charlie would come home, announcing "Daddy's home, Shabbat shalom," throw his phone in the drawer, and disconnect completely. "To the world he was Charlie Kirk, but to us he was my love of my life and my children's dad," Erika said, becoming emotional. "It's the little things. It's the visual of Daddy coming home."
Deep Research and Subject Matter Expertise
Charlie approached the book with characteristic thoroughness. "We have 50 plus books on our bookshelf about the Sabbath," Erika revealed. He spent considerable time discussing the topic with Dennis Prager and became a subject matter expert on the biblical and practical aspects of Sabbath observance.
His motivation stemmed from understanding that communication is essential, especially with young people. "When he was on campus he knew talking to people was very important especially the youth. We don't communicate with each other anymore. So something as simple as talking goes viral because no one talks and the miscommunication is out of control."
Charlie saw the book as combining two powerful elements: "If you have communication mixed in with people turning off the noise and the chatter and actually resetting and rehumanizing, putting those together is a beautiful symphony of how this country can heal. And he knew that. And that's why he wanted to share it with everybody."
A Testament to Charlie's Character and Love
In the forward to the book, Erika writes: "I knew Charlie so deeply in a way no one could. That is why I can say with certainty, these pages are not theory for him. They are testimony. The words you hold in your hands were the convictions he lived by that were written on his heart. Looking back now, I see the book as one of Charlie's most enduring gifts to the world. He did not know how brief his time on earth would be. None of us did. But the truths written in this book are not bound by time. They will outlive us all as will the legacy of his faith."
The memories Erika misses most are the small moments. "When I'm in the grocery store and I see his hot sauce, I want to buy it. It's his clothes everywhere. It's the little things. And I know that people who have experienced loss totally understand what I'm saying. It's the small things that just get you."
She emphasized to other spouses the importance of creating home as a sanctuary. "I'd always say, 'Baby, I don't care what time you get home. Home is here for you. Your food will never be cold. It might sit out for a little bit, but I'll reheat it. It's fine.' And I just want to encourage spouses, don't get mad. It's so easy. Don't do it."
The Power of Forgiveness in the Face of Tragedy
One of the most discussed aspects of Erika's public response has been her decision to forgive Charlie's killer. She addressed this directly: "That was something that was a game time decision. I'm not going to just say words. Words are so powerful. I mean, God created the world with words. Words are very powerful and to me I'm never going to say something I don't mean."
She explained that forgiveness was necessary for her own spiritual health. "Faith is a muscle the more you use it the stronger it gets and I am not going to let the enemy have a foothold in my life. How am I supposed to be the mother I need to be? How am I supposed to be the leader of Turning Point USA, Turning Point Action, the youth when I myself have a deep unrooted horrible, nasty hate in my heart? I cannot operate with hate in my heart. No one can. No one can be fruitful with hate in your heart."
She was careful to distinguish forgiveness from weakness or forgetting. "That does not mean we're weak. That does not mean we forgive. I will never forget that. I will forgive it. But that's because I know that the Lord is just and sovereign. People need to understand that hate is very powerful, but love is more powerful."
Understanding Evil's Genesis
When asked about her interest in understanding what led Charlie's killer to commit such an act, Erika offered a thoughtful perspective on how evil takes root. "Everything starts small. If you think about it, when you start believing in something or diving into something, it starts with a small little seed. Is that seed going to be something that was planted and go towards the light and go towards the Lord? Or is that seed that's planted that's going to go towards evil and darkness?"
She noted the tragic irony that "Charlie was trying to save the exact man that murdered him by trying to reach that generation and say there is a different way to live. There is a way better and healthier and pure and beautiful, truthful way to live. Why are you wasting your time with brain rot? Why are you wasting your time with things you know are so unhealthy, so unproductive, so divisive, so evil when there's so many other things you can be focusing on that you can build and that you can harness for good?"
She reflected on life's brevity: "My husband lived for 31 years. That's it. We don't have a lot of time here at all. But if you spend that time on things that are beautiful and true and good, that is how our country can heal and start going forward in a way in a direction that we never thought could be possible because the Lord can use that if you just let that little seed in your life go towards hate and evil. We're on a totally different path."
Navigating Public Scrutiny and Criticism
Erika acknowledged the challenge of dealing with critics and naysayers, especially while grieving publicly. "If Charlie answered to every single critic and didn't stop and put his phone down and breathe and rest with the Lord, he'd get nothing done. He would not have built Turning Point USA, Turning Point Action."
She received perspective that helped her manage the noise: "It's always bigger in your head. Someone told me that when I got into this business, it's always bigger in your head than it is to the rest. Because most of the people aren't following the headlines like you are or like we are."
Understanding that critics don't truly know her has been freeing. "They don't know me. Even the ones who love us, bless their hearts, they don't really know us either. So the people who really matter are our God, our family, the people who do know us. And that's all that matters."
Leading Turning Point USA Forward
As CEO of Turning Point USA, Erika is shaping the organization's next phase. While Charlie focused significantly on young men facing a crisis of purpose and identity, Erika has noticed "an uptick in the women's interest in Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action."
However, she views the mission holistically. "You can't just focus on the female and you can't just focus on the male. There is a beautiful balance of having the two turn into one. You're an American. You're an American."
She emphasized the continued importance of civil discourse. "You can't just focus on one side. If you cancel people and you say you can't say that, tell me more. You have to counter bad ideas with good ideas. You have to have that debate and dialogue. I don't want to have happen is someone say, 'Well, I'm afraid to talk to that person because XYZ and I don't want them be platformed.' If we don't communicate and combat each other in a very civil discourse way of dialogue, that is where we get in trouble."
From a female perspective, she wants to combat cultural messages that diminish motherhood. "Being a mother is not a weakness. That is a superpower. If anything, when you are a mother, something ignites within you that transforms and transcends you and beyond."
She described her protective instincts for the students in the movement. "The mother bear inside of me is like, if you want to go after these kids, if you want to go after the youth, you have to go through me. I'm not going to let you touch these kids on college campus."
Expanding to High Schools
Turning Point is expanding into high schools with support from multiple governors. "We just had Governor Abbott in Texas. We have other governors throughout the country that are saying Club America will be on our high school campuses. That is unbelievable, because that means that these kids, male, female, have the opportunity to be exposed to the truth, learn how to debate, learn how to stand for their convictions and what's on their heart and they're not afraid."
For Erika, the mission is clear: "That's what I need is for these young kids to not be afraid."
A Love Story and Direct Pursuit
Erika and Charlie's relationship began at the studio where they were conducting the interview. Charlie had been direct from the start. "I fell in love with him so quickly because he was so direct. The Lord knew I needed a man that was not going to mess around, that was not going to say, 'Let's see where it goes. Let's go get coffee. Let's go get drinks.' We never drank. It was like one of those things where it was like, 'No, I want to date you. I want to marry you. I'm pursuing you intentionally.'"
She encourages young people seeking relationships to follow this model. "Don't waste your time. The right person will literally say, 'I know that this is something special. Let's honor the Lord. Let's do this right. I'm not going to treat my boyfriend like my fiance and my fiance like my husband. We're going to do this the right way.' And that's what we did. And we just wanted our relationship to always honor and glorify the Lord."
Precious Moments Captured
A video captured Charlie's daughter running into the studio after a show, pigtails bouncing, to see her father. "She would always listen to his speeches. I always had his show playing. I laugh when people are like, 'Do your kids watch TV?' I was like, 'Well, yeah. They watch either Daddy's show or they're watching Bob Ross because he has a very nap-inducing voice.'"
That weekend, Charlie had hosted eight hours of programming. "It was special. It was so special," Erika reflected.
The Legacy Continues
Charlie Kirk's final book, Stop in the Name of God: Why Honoring the Sabbath Will Transform Your Life, represents more than personal reflection. It stands as a guide for healing in a fractured nation, a call to stop the madness and return to ancient rhythms that rehumanize society. His widow carries forward both his organizational vision and his personal message, embodying the strength that comes from rest, the power that flows from obedience, and the transformation possible when people choose to stop in the name of God.
Video Transcript
Charlie Kirk strongly believed in
observing the Sabbath to refocus on what
truly matters.
>> Says very very clearly in the
scriptures, for six days you shall work
and the seventh day you shall rest. If
you are feeling overrun by society, you
might be feeling depressed or anxious.
Here's just one way that you might be
able to improve. Turn your phone off for
one day. No contact, no social media, no
work. Your mental health will improve
dramatically. You can you can hang out
with friends. You can go for a walk, but
don't work for one day. That is a day
for worship. That is a day for the Lord.
That is a day to go be with God. That is
a day to read your Bible and be out of
the busyiness and the hurried
hurriedness and the the just the anger
and the noise of this world.
>> Wow. So weeks before Charlie's
assassination, he finished what would
become his final book, Stop in the Name
of God. Why honoring the Sabbath will
transform your life. and Charlie's
precious widow and friend of ours and
CEO of Turning Point USA, Erica Kirk,
wrote the forward and she joins us now.
Erica, I heard last night on Shawn Show,
you said you haven't been able to read
the end of the book yet. You're not
there yet.
>> I'm not because there's so many you only
get so many firsts and lasts in your
life. And so for me, that's this is one
all tied together. It's the first that
I'm reading my husband's last and final
book that he wrote. And when you finish
that, that's the last time you read it.
>> Yeah. Well, he wrote,
>> you read it again, but it's the last
first.
>> Yeah. I loved this that he said, "The
Sabbath is God's answer to a culture
spinning out of control. It is his
ancient rhythm of sanity, planted like
an anchor in a world swept away by
currents of chaos. Six days we work,
build, create, engage. On the seventh
day, we stop. But not because we're
weak. We stop because we're human. We
don't rest because we're lazy. We rest
because we're obedient. How did y'all do
this? Because we were talking. I'd love
to do this.
>> No, it's so again, Charlie, he took his
he took his time going into this, but he
didn't write this because he needed to
figure it out. He wrote this because it
was already figured out and he saw,
"Wow, this changed and impacted my
life." But I have to tell you something.
I've really been praying about this
because
I feel as if Charlie wrote this book for
me. M
>> these are his last words written that
were on his heart. He finished this in
July when we were together as a family.
>> And I can't help but think when you read
this book,
>> he's basically saying like, I am getting
so much noise
>> from everyone. And you guys get this
too.
>> You get the echo chamber. You get people
analyzing everything about you. They
think they know everything about you.
They know nothing about you. They see
you on TV, they think, "Oh, she's this.
She's that. He said this. He said that
and and honestly, it's Charlie saying,
"Baby E, just stop.
Stop. You don't have to answer to every
single person that's accusing you of
things or saying that you're doing this
or grieving a certain way. Baby, just
stop. You know who you are and who'sse
you are, and I'm here. I see you." And
if Charlie, and I'm taking a page out of
his book, if he answered to every single
critic and didn't stop and put his phone
down and breathe and rest with the Lord,
he'd get nothing done. He would not have
built Turning Point USA, Turning Point
Action.
>> And I read in your book that when in
Charlie's book when he writes, he said
at first when Dennis Prager, I guess,
played a big role in that. He did what
an unbelievably bright individual,
great. Dennis is precious.
>> And he said, you know, you got to do
this. And he thought, how could I do
this with the president calls? you know,
he's running turning point action
turning point. I got to set up this
college story. If I shut off my phone,
how many things wouldn't get done? And
then when he shut it down and then put
it on, there was only two messages.
>> But if you think about it, people,
you're almost like training the people
around you to say, "Hey, at the this is
how life used to be. You left the office
at 5:00. No one could reach you and then
you had a beeper, but like no one could
reach you until the next morning." But
it's it's retraining the world. You used
to have blue laws. Like it's retraining
the world to say, "Okay, at 5:00, unless
it's an emergency, give me a phone call.
I'm not going to respond to your text
message. I'm with my babies. I'm putting
the kids to bed. I'm spending time with
my husband. I'm fixing the generational
gap because I want to be able to show
them rest and importance. You're a
priority, not my office."
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>> You know, Erica, um Charlie and I, we're
from the same generation of young
conservative. You are as well. And
there's a list of people that are there
in the movement waiting for who's going
to be the next leader of the movement,
who's going to get these young. Do you
feel like these were the words that were
almost prophetic in the sense of he left
these as like a guide for the for the
movement?
>> 100% Lawrence, you're absolutely right.
And and you know it, too.
>> You can have all the political stances
that you want. You can be able to make
all the different strategy and political
moves that you want, but at the end of
the day, when it's all said and done, we
are human,
>> right?
>> We are so fragile and we are human. We
are not machines. So, if you think that
you're going to just be
so productive and so busy because you're
getting your to-do list done, what are
you actually doing? No, you're just
you're just one of you're just one of a
thousand in a million. You're if you
really want to be used in a way that is
so profound to change this world, you
have to press pause and you have to be
able to listen to the Lord, listen from
the Lord, be able to have people around
you that will pour into you, that will
mentor you, that will love on you, and
say, you know what, this world that's so
noisy right now, go ahead and keep
talking. I'm taking a pause because I
need to know who I need to be as a
leader in order to lead. I can't just
keep following down this path and expect
to be able to make a difference with the
youth.
>> Yeah, Eric, I cannot imagine what you're
going through. You found the love of
your life and that's the goal for all of
us, right?
>> I know
>> you did and he was taken so early. Um,
what do you miss most? How are his
parents doing? Because his parents are
private. We saw them for the first time
at the funeral.
>> You had you did such a beautiful job
there.
>> How how are all of y'all doing? You talk
a little bit about the kids, but how's
your mom doing? I mean, I know she's
devastated for you. mom was Charlie and
my mom. Well, Charlie's families,
they're everyone's hanging in there.
We're doing the best to be expected. My
mom and Charlie, they were best friends.
My I would always say that Charlie was
her favorite child. But the thing that
was so special about our Sabbath dinners
was that it wasn't about religious
protocol. It was literally going to my
mom's house. My mom's battling a a very
rare illness. It was literally going to
my mom's house for dinner with my mom.
It was again bridging that generational
gap where my kids don't have phones.
They're not looking at iPads. They're
not looking at screens. We're sitting
together and we're talking and we're
loving on each other. How was your week?
What were your wins? What are you
grateful for? We went around the table
and talked about that. And that was what
was so special about our Friday nights.
And Charlie was like, "We have our
Friday nights." But it's interesting.
What I miss the most,
what really just hits me hard is when
I'm in the grocery store and I see his
hot sauce, I want to buy it. Or it's the
little things, you know, his clothes
everywhere. Um, excuse me. But
[laughter] it's it's the little things.
And I know that people who have
experienced loss totally understand what
I'm saying. It's it's the small things
that just get you. Um, it's the visual
of, you know, Taddyy coming home and to
the world he was Charlie Kirk, but to us
he was my love of my life and
my children's dad. I'm so sorry.
>> Understandable. Excuse me. But it's
those little things where again he would
walk through the door, drop his bags,
daddy's home, [snorts] take his phone,
Friday night, Shabbat shalom, throw it
in the drunk drawer, and it was just all
us. And that's what I always wanted to
make so special for him was coming home.
I' I'd always say, "Baby, I don't care
what time you get home.
>> Home is here for you. Your food will
never be cold. It might sit out for a
little bit, but I'll reheat it. It's
fine." And I just want to encourage
spouses,
don't get mad. It's so easy. Don't do
it.
>> Here's an excerpt from your from the
forward in your book. You write this.
Uh, I knew Charlie so deeply in a way no
one could. That is why I can say with
certainty, these pages are not theory
for him. They are testimony. The words
you hold in your hands were the
convictions he lived by that were
written on his heart. Looking back now,
I see the book as one of Charlie's most
enduring gifts to the world. He did not
know how brief his time on earth would
be. None of us did. But the truths
written in this book are not bound by
time. They will outlive us all as will
the legacy of his faith. And in the
book, he goes into details about the
Bible.
>> Yes, he does. He does.
>> It's really powerful. He became a
subject matter expert, if you will. We
have 50 plus books on our bookshelf
about about the Sabbath. and he spent a
lot of time talking to Dennis Prager
about this. He he learned as much as he
could and again he implemented it in his
life because he knew that it was it was
something that would
communication is everything. And so when
he was on campus he knew talking to
people was very important especially the
youth. We don't communicate with each
other anymore. So something as simple as
talking goes viral because no
[clears throat] one talks and the
miscommunication is out of control. And
so he was so good at communicating and
understanding and bridging that gap. And
for him, this book was one of those
moments where okay, if you have
communication mixed in with people,
turning off the noise and the chatter
and actually resetting and rehumanizing,
putting those together is a beautiful
symphony of how this country can heal.
And he knew that. And that's why he
wanted to share it with everybody. Eric,
I want to show you a moment because you
were just talking about your kids and
the last Kirk to sit there was actually
Charlie Kirk, but he came to fill in.
Here's this beautiful moment of your
daughter running in to see her father
>> after the show, right?
>> That is the best.
So sweet.
>> What do you make of this?
>> It it I'm just glad that she I know
she's young, but she's so smart. And I'm
so glad that she had that moment. She
would always listen to his speeches. U I
always had his show playing. I laugh
when people are like, "Do your kids
watch TV?" I was like, "Well, yeah. They
watch either Daddy's show or they're
watching Bob Ross cuz he has a very
napinducing voice."
>> But it was a very It was special. It was
so special. I mean, he hosted eight
hours that weekend, so it's a four hour
show.
>> I love that video of her. Love her
little pigtails.
>> I know. I know. It's so sweet.
>> And that story, that's where y'all met,
Erica. Did you know you were going to
marry him on in that moment? Cuz he
said, "I don't want you to work for me.
I want to date you." No, I fell in love
with him so so quickly because he was so
direct. The Lord knew I needed a man
that was not going to mess around, that
was not going to say, "Let's see where
it goes. Let's go get coffee. Let's go
get drinks." We never drank. It was like
one of those things where it was like,
"No, I want to date you. I want to marry
you. I'm pursuing you intentionally."
And that's what's so important for for a
lot of young people today that are
looking for their spouses. Don't waste
your time. The right person will
literally say, "I know that this is
something special. Let's honor the Lord.
Let's do this right. I'm not going to
treat my boyfriend like my fiance and my
fiance like my husband. Like, we're
going to do this the right way." And
that's what we did. And we just wanted
our relationship to always honor and
glorify the Lord. You know, Erica, can
you walk us through?
>> It's something that Angley I Brian have
talked about forgiveness, right? And
it's for us on a personal level.
>> We we we can't forgive people for less,
but you had so much. How did you get to
that point where you could forgive on a
national stage
>> like like I told Andrew, that was
something that was a game time decision.
>> I'm not going to just say I Words are so
powerful. I mean, God created the world
with words. world words are very very
powerful and to me I'm never going to
say something I don't mean Charlie was
the same exact way he would tell you
just how it is and
it's again faith is a muscle the more
you use it the stronger it gets and I am
not going to let the enemy have a
foothold in my life how am I supposed to
be the mother I need to be how am I
supposed to be the leader of turning
point USA turning point action the youth
when I myself have a deep unrooted
horrible, nasty
hate in my heart. I cannot operate with
hate in my heart. No one can. No one can
be fruitful with hate in your heart. And
I just that that does not mean we're
weak,
>> right?
>> That does not mean we're weak. That does
not mean we forgive. I will never
forgive that.
>> Excuse me. I will never forget that.
Sorry. I will never forget that.
>> I will forgive it. But that's because I
know that the Lord is just and
sovereign. But I I it's one of those
things where people need to understand
that hate is very powerful, but love is
more powerful.
>> So, how interested are you in what
twisted what went off in this guy who
the suspect that allowed him to do such
a heinous act? Like that's uh that's
what I ask myself almost every day. What
prompted that individual to get on that
roof and end your husband's life? Do you
have questions about that or have you
just socked that away for leave it to
the lawyers?
>> No. If you think about it, everything
starts small. Okay. So, if you when you
start believing in something or diving
into something, it starts with a small
little seed. So, is that seed going to
be something that was planted and go
towards the light and go towards the
Lord? or is that seed that's planted
that's going to go towards evil and
darkness and and
it starts with one little one little
inch that just keeps growing and growing
and growing. And you have a choice in
life. And again, Charlie was trying to
save the exact man that murdered him by
trying to reach that generation and say
there is a different way to live. There
is a way better and healthier and pure
and beautiful, truthful way to live. Why
are you wasting your time with brain
rot? Why are you wasting your time with
things you know are so unhealthy, so
unproductive, so divisive, so evil when
there's so many other things you can be
focusing on that you can build and that
you can harness for good? Why are you
wasting your short time? My husband
lived for 31 years. That's it. We don't
have a lot of time here at all. But if
you spend that time on things that are
beautiful and true and good,
>> that is how our country can heal and
start going forward in a way in a
direction that we never thought could be
possible cuz the Lord can use that if
you just let that little seed in your
life go towards hate and evil. We're on
a totally different path.
>> Yeah. Um you know, we've we're watching
you go through all of this. And I want
you to know there are always going to be
the naysayers. They're going to be the
people that
>> that might question this or that about
that day. And we know some of those
headlines,
>> but it's always bigger in your head.
>> Someone told me that when I got into
this business, it's always bigger in
your head than it is to the rest. Cuz
most of the people aren't following the
headlines or like like you are or like
we are. And when I got in the business,
people would write not to make it about
me. I'm just trying to say this to help
you. They would write the most negative
things and I would just be so upset
about it because I'm like this trying to
be this good Christian girl trying I
make mistakes every day. I s
>> but I'm reading these negative things
and it really really bothered me
especially the personal ones when I'm
going through the deepest things. But
then I realized they don't know me. Even
the ones who love us, bless their
hearts, they don't really know us
either.
>> So the people who really matter are our
God,
>> our family, the people who do know us.
And that's all that matters. that
matters.
>> So, so all the negative press I think
Charlie's right. I think Charlie's
teaching you this week.
>> I know he's saying stop. You don't have
to respond to every single thing.
>> Yes.
>> I mean, it is cuz there 5% of the people
that might not like Charlie's message.
The rest of the country,
>> they they might not always agree, but
they're proud of him for standing up.
They're heartbroken for you and your
family. That's normal. That's what a
human being does.
>> Yeah. No, you're right. Erica, can you
talk about the next phase of turning
point? Because Charlie focused on young
men. There's a crisis going on in the
country when it comes to young men, uh,
abandonment weren't taking their places
in the household, and now you're focused
on young women,
>> correct?
>> How's that task been? You've always been
a writer. You've always had things to
say, but you kind of focus on the family
for a long time. People that knew you,
we knew that you had all these thoughts.
Um, but how has the leadership role been
for you now?
>> It's powerful because I there again
there was no daylight between Charlie
and I. So I w I witnessed everything
firsthand front row seat. Charlie did
have a phenomenal way of communicating
with the young men of of Gen Z and
millennials. actually honestly every
generation to be quite frank. Um I I
have noticed that there's been an uptick
in the women's interest in Turning Point
USA and Turning Point Action to be
expected.
But again, I view it as a holistic
thing. You can't just focus on the
female and you can't just focus on the
male. There is a beautiful balance of
having the two turn into one of you're
an American.
You're an American.
>> That's right.
>> And so for me,
something so important that we are going
to continue to do is civil discourse,
debate, dialogue. So important. If you
tell if you cancel people and you say
you can't say that,
>> right?
>> Why can't I say that?
>> Tell me more. You have to counter bad
ideas with good ideas. You have to have
that debate and dialogue. And I can't
have what I do not want to have happen
is someone say, "Well, I'm afraid to
talk to that person because XYZ and I
don't want them be platform." It has
nothing. If we don't communicate and
combat each other for in a in a very
civil discourse way of discourse
dialogue,
that is where we get in trouble and
that's where this whole side that it you
have to continue that. So that is very
important to me. From the female
standpoint, it's being able to show them
that being a mother is not a weakness.
That is a superpower. If anything, when
you are a mother, something ignites
within you that transforms and
transcends you and beyond. That that is
so important to me. And I have to be
honest, being a mother myself, we just
came back from our gala this weekend. We
had two students on stage,
precious students. The mother bear
inside of me is like, if you want to go
after these kids, if you want to go
after the youth, you have to go through
me. I'm not going to let you touch these
kids on college campus. We are having,
we just had Governor Abbott in Texas. We
have other governors throughout the
country that are saying Club America
will be on our high school, our our high
school campuses. That is unbelievable,
>> right? because that means that these
kids, male, female, have the opportunity
to be exposed to the truth, learn how to
debate, learn how to stand for their
their convictions and what's on their
heart and they're not afraid. And that's
what I need is for these young kids to
not be afraid
>> and also to buy this book. It's called
Stop in the Name of God by Honoring the
Sabbath will transform your life at
45books.com.
Uh sure certain to be a bestseller. Uh
thanks so much, Erica, for coming down.
>> God bless you. Thank you guys. God bless
you. Thank you guys for being on Talk
Radio in about 20 minutes.
>> Awesome. Okay.
>> Yeah.