Destiny Debates 20 Trump Supporters on January 6th, Immigration, and Economic Policy

I don't think you know what American values are I don't think you know what this country was founded or built upon and I think you guys are obsessed with a cult leader who is taking the entire Republican party off of a everything he say he do Trump is Gangster remember can you give me one thing you don't like about Trump I love everything about TR I know because it's a cult thank you it's not a cult hey my name is Steven bonell online I'm known as Destiny I debate Politics on YouTube at youtube.com/ Destiny today I'm surrounded by 20 Trump supporters my first claim is that Donald Trump is unfit to be the US [Music] president pleasure to meet you yeah pleasure to meet you all right so you say that President Trump is unfit to take the presidency why is that I would say that one of the most important values that we have As Americans is our form of government and things like respecting the peaceful transfer of power um I think that being able to concede when you've lost an election is really important so I would argue that the events that took place leading up to and on January 6th are in and of themselves among a whole bunch of other actions immediately disqualifying for the opposite presidency okay so Steve let's talk about January 6th what happened that day in your mind and why does that disqualify president Trump I think that Donald Trump was unwilling to accept the results of the elections I think that he fabricated slates of electors in order to have his vice president pick him to be the winner in the capital building on January 6th even though he didn't have the votes or the evidence to support it I think that is aolly undemocratic thing I think that it is destructive and undermines our Democratic process of governance do you attribute the violence on January 6 to Trump uh largely yes okay why um I think that Donald Trump had been stoking the Flames a year before the election saying that the election was going to be rigged I think that Donald Trump um stoked all of these claims basically with no evidence and then I think that he continued to stoke the Flames while fabricating them that the election had been stolen that there was voter fraud and then he invited people on the day of the certification telling them that their election uh had been stol and their country was being taken from them they needed a fight like hell or they were going to lose everything he knew what he was inviting them there for he knew what he was asking them to do he knew yeah he also told them to enter to go down to the capital peacefully and patriotically right what time protesters first go into the capital what time did they first enter the capital I think it was around 10:00 a.m. I think is when the capital grounds were breached no no 2:11 p.m. no to be clear that's not true 2:11 p.m. is when protesters first entered the United States capital there's there's the grounds that were secured outside though those grounds were breached while Trump was still giving his speech at the okay let's talk about the entrance of the capital because that would be more severe in your mind than simply walking onto the property right can you concede that point probably not I think they were all really bad but okay well entering the capital let's just Mark that point 211 what should Trump have done at that point as soon as the capital grounds themselves were breached he probably should have put out a statement on social media telling people that they needed to go home instead of telling them that Pence had failed them and basically encouraging the violence to continue so what if I told you at 2:38 p.m. president Trump tweeted stay peaceful he tweeted that to his supporters stay peaceful 27 minutes later he tweeted that after Ashley babot I believe had already been shot and killed okay so what does it mean when you tell your people to stay peaceful they're not being peaceful that doesn't 2:38 p.m. 27 minutes after the capital had been protesters had entered he said stay peaceful okay at 3:13 he said Law and Order at 4:17 he posted a video saying go home now so what on Earth was he supposed to have done I'm not happy about some of the violence that we saw on January 6th but let's put it in context well wait wait you just said it you just said what he should have done the tweet that he did at 417 video that was the third the third call it was no it was the first time that he told them to go home that stay peaceful 27 minutes after the capital protested under the after Ashley babett had already been shot and killed they weren't being peaceful why are we saying stay peaceful at this point already do matter a reding hold on do you acknowledge that people broke into the capital what do you mean by break into the capital as and smashed with they enter illegally they, people were there that day how many were charged with crimes 100,000 people there how many charged with crimes do you acknowledge that people how many were charged with crimes then how many people in the BLM rights were charged with crimes this is red herring how many people you said they're violent how many were there that day 100,000 how many were charged with crimes it's the largest FBI investigation history 1,550 at all have been charged with crimes how can you say they were all violent it's not how can you say they were all violent the first people that got into the capital did they break January 6 your only reason why he's un wait wait did the first people into the capital break in is is January 6 the only reason he's unfit are you unwilling to answer that question is January 6 the only reason you unwilling to you can say yes you don't want to answer it and then move on because you know the implications are terrible for you that's fine if you want the reality of the situation is the reality of the situation is people the delay the ceric the number one issue for they delayed the certification of the vote voters it doesn't you're the vote was certified was it not certified did was there a delay in the certification delay in the certification it was because the National Guard showed up and they kicked the people out after Donald Trump was forced to tell them they were going home watching them break in for 3 hours do nothing by your own ad a let's have a productive convers we're not having you're answering any right questions keep going okay yeah I asked you a very simple question the first person that got into the capital who wasn't allowed in how did he get in they walked into the capital no they broke in with the riot shield that he stolen from an officer okay and that makes president Trump unfit for office do you acknowledge that that happened are we living in the same reality right now do you acknowledge that that happen there was violence on January 6th I acknowledge that there's 100,000 specific you know what 1 plus one is I do what is 1 plus one it's two okay okay good okay we can answer question ma is racist math is racist first person the first person that got into the capital building how did they get in you were arguing that Trump is unfit try this do you know what 2 plus two is I I four who was the first person into the capital building how did he get in why did I just say he broke is your entire argument about January 6 yes or no well my biggest argument right now is that conservatives are delusional and they don't exist in the same reality that we do so why must you attack 75 million voters pause you've been voted out by the majority please return to your seat thank you yeah thanks [Applause] hi hi how's it going how are you pry good see you again yep so you don't think Donald Trump is fit for office based on January 6th however things yeah however we have to admit that January 6th was compromised there were patriots and there was antifa there were people who yes there were actually I have video of it don't argue don't argue me because I actually have video of people who are on the ground who I have video of people in Black Block getting dressed up in mega gear and according 1420 first of all you don't have a video but let's see how long I the video was the first person to break into the capital was it antifa it was an antifa person yes it was and it's actually if you rate Andy know's book about antifa un it actually talks about how they use the premise of a broken window to then allow other people to come in because people are a mass they're a group they're like a like herd of cows and when there's a broken window they don't see anything wrong with walking into a building if the window's already broken they I thought conservatives with the party of Law and Order if you were outside somebody's house and you saw somebody breaking walk this example is even continued through BLM and the riot talk about BLM right now Al I'm it took us 40 seconds it's not patter in 2020 is the is the same that happened in January 6th where we had innocent people moving into a facility that they didn't know that they was wrong because the doors were already open so you're already they were there was broken the doors that were being broken into yes by when they were not Maga you have so were all of the indictments and the convictions for people like Enrique tario for Stuart rhods all these people that have been directly involved all the video footage of which one of these people was his Commander name one of the commanders of the Insurrection and RAR was the CEO of The Proud boy steart road is is a commander is he a commander in the offal military name the lieutenant in the Insurrection name the an Insurrection is going to have people like commanders generals captains people no it doesn't need to all the problem had a leadership structure if you like you go and read the IND there was no leadership structure it can't be an Insurrection if there is no leadership structure you can't even name one of Donald Trump's commanders in this and all gent already gave you the CE of the they the ones that Trump made four tweets and those four tweets didn't even make it out of his his sphere because they were immediately suppressed by the media wed they were they were deleted they were deleted they were deleted by Twitter TW he brought them out on stage on his town hall and said look here are the tweets that you deleted how do you explain that other than fist system Donal explain yeah the calls for peace came 3 hours while he wait so do you wa do you acknowledge do you acknowledge that Donald Trump sat in his in his room for three hours before he told people to go home watching the violence unfold you won't answer a question Donald Trump gave a speech you don't care about the fact I don't no no I'm the one I'm asking a very simple question you I can answer your question if you answer my question do you acknowledge that he sat for 3 hours no he didn't sit for 3 hours because he gave a speech during those 3 hours no at the very end he went after the ellip speech was done he went back to the White House and then he sat in a room with a Diet Coke and he watched the violence how you know this because it's accounted for by like testimony were you there how do you know what's happening at the border what's happening in are you there what do you mean actually this gentleman is actually hold on are you I'm sorry is your claim that the only way that you can know something is if you personally you're making these claims that he sat I'm making this claim based on hundreds of hours of deposition testimony by people that have been in front of a number of in front of the j6 committee in front of the media in front of the there are so many different people that are willing to testify to all of this pause you've been voted out by the majority please return to your seats hey what's up so um I think that you know we've been talking about January 6 um I I'll I'll be the first to say that and and I think a lot of people here would agree that there were bad actors that day um I'm someone who comes from a family of law enforcement family of military so I believe in Law and Order and so I do believe that there were people on that day who took things way too far and I think most most Republicans understand that um from people that I had talked to on the ground um I think that the media blew it up into something bigger than it was again I'm not saying that people who broke into the capital shouldn't have but I do believe that there's a lot of people who are misled you know there's evidence that's coming out with uh all the tapes that are coming out from January 6th showing police officers were actually escorting people through the hallways so to say that every single person who entered that building is you know a criminal I I think a lot of people just to be clear that's never been my claim that every single person entered was the building is such a boring and uninteresting I would never waste my time making it the reality was I do agree with you and your fundamental there are a lot of people that were misled I do agree with that and I think that Donald Trump was behind that misleading the entire time the people were there because he was tweeting out at them saying come here for a historic protest it was obvious what the protest was going to be they were protesting the certification of the vote and what president Trump never told anyone to break into the capital president Trump has always run on a campaign of Law and Order and to respect his police okay where has he where's your evidence of that the whole plot on January 6 was to break the law to have Mike Pence choose him to be the president what at what point did President Trump tell people to break into the capital and when he wanted Pence to choose him to be the president no no no but but they talking about breaking law breaking the law that's that's breaking the the law was the Electoral count act you wanted to break that law what you're saying is that you had that he was inciting an an Insurrection he was inciting an Insurrection and telling people to people they needed to fight like hell or they were going to lose their country said that they need how does that have anything to do with breaking into the capital yes let me just let so just to be clear so he told people to go to j6 because it would be a historic something a historic event when they all got there and they showed up at his speech at the ellipse for an hour he rils them up telling he's going to lose they're going to lose their country that um they're trying to steal it from you that you need to fight like hell juliani was just on there before saying trial by combat um he said all these things and then all these people he said we're going to March down psylvia they all marched to the capital is there anything wrong with protesting outside I'm asking like was the fact that there was a break into the capital and for the first time in US history the vote was the vote certification was delayed was that just a coincidence is that that I just I just want to know that before you ask a bunch of random question was that was it just a coincidence that a Breakin happened and the vote was delayed was that a coincidence because people broke into the capital that can't be blamed on President Trump he always Co president Trump has president Trump has always ran on Law and Order and for people and yes there were there were bad act there were bad actors but mov let's move to the certification nothing about in6 in in 2016 I've already said that there were bad actors in 2016 Democrats questioned the election of President Trump yes they did she concede he's not going to answer this question Sheila Jackson Jackson Sheila Jackson and another like two other Democrats had spoke and said that they were going to question and to uh hopefully delay the certification in 2016 what president Trump was election and look the answer is that night right the answer is that night was the certification of the vote delayed the answer is no it was was there a right of the capital of I am from Arizona I was in the middle of the elections in 22 I've been there I saw what happened in 2020 there are serious questions about what there you think I'm from Arizona I work from Arizon you didn't I don't care that you worked in every single cour case on this failed for good reason right it's failed on standing no that's not true a lot of them were Talk evid number one and number two wa wait do you agree standing let me get to my point let me get to my point you have no point fabri information time in 4k there is serious that's they Broast there serious question you've been voted out by the majority please return to your seat I'm way behind you so I just see the back of your head okay I'm sorry try to I just have questions I'm I'm more I I like to ask people questions I just I'm interested in in hearing how people think so when you're talking about the Insurrection on January 6 what would you describe during when Kavanaugh was elected to Supreme Court and you had all the protesters at the capital they were banging on the capital doors they were screaming they were yelling what how do you feel about that uh I would have to know the specifics of the event I don't recall like any like proceedings being delayed I don't recall there being a top- down call from the president to lead you don't remember that they had to stop the Congressional meetings because people were banging on the door and being so loud and trying to break their proceedings for if they did then it's bad wait wait just to be clear wait wait just to be clear this is the difference between me and you okay is that if everything you're telling me is true I'm a female I'm a female America great I'm a female yeah put it on I had a cow talking I'm a female and you're a male and it's almost like you're attacking me because I'm a female are you anti female are you anti female half the time I am okay what I'm saying right now I'm saying what I'm saying I'm very honest what I'm say yes I am honest which I'm saying thatwe can I ask you another question I didn't even answer your first question no you said that you didn't know the specifics that is I'm not going to force I'm not going to force you into a yes or I promise you can't force you to anything okay I'm not if if it happened as you say I would say that's bad and you know what the people involved should be arrested you're still yelling I agre with you I'm not yelling I'm not even close to yelling yet I can if you want me to I'm glad you are projecting your voice cuz I couldn't hear you before okay so I can definitely hear you now you could do that maybe hair on your ear go ahead you want my hair behind my ears if it's inhibiting your ability to hear me speak yes well actually it's because you need the bottom of your I I'm in in the medical field so the bottom of your tongue needs to be clipped so uh that's the reason why you have a list when you're talking anyway if you want medical advice I can do that but it's better to be priv on that I have another question so we agree that during the cavana trials if people were trying to break into the Supreme Court I agree with you on that so and the next thing is I have a question for you because you also brought it the border and immigration right well did they can play it back so anyway what would you say if the Biden Harris we have the Biden Harris Administration right now if our border was filled with neones with tiki torches what would happen you'd probably sell a whole lot more lighter fluid I don't know what do you mean no our border pause sorry you've been voted out by the majority Micah um okay I want to talk about the alternate slate of electors um and how historically that has happened before on the Democrat side yes it has in uh 1960 JFK against Nixon ran an alternate slate of electors um in case it was overturned in Hawaii um it was eventually overturned in Hawaii and so then those electors were certified and um JFK won the state so I'm glad you bring this up real quick because this is one of the biggest piece of sh talking points you guys always bring up but I don't know why in 1960 two slates of electors were authorized by the state legislature both were granted the certificate of ascertainment from the governor because they knew that it was a very close election and they'd authorized a recount and because that recount was going to go past the December some mid December date it's December 14th for the 2020 election but some mid- December date for when they had to certify their vote so they said okay well we'll send in vote both certificates and then on the day the counting um on January whenever they would have done the um certification in Congress then they can choose which one was authorized by the state legislature based on the results of the recount Donald Trump's certificates were not authorized by any state legislature do you acknowledge that wait wait real quick do you acknowledge real quick that none of the seven slaves that were by Donald Trump none of those were authorized by any state legislature can I answer you're not going to no I am no no no no no no they they weren't certified and why it's because fraud wasn't found it wasn't proven in court no you're lying you're lying they wer authoriz you're saying fraud was founded no you're lying because those legisl what do you what are you say am I lying about they're lying because none of those alternate slates were arranged by the state legislatures they were arranged by Trump and his criminal co-conspirators none of the state legislators none of the state Governors authorized those slates of electors okay what's wrong with that it's illegal number one and number two what law what law says that in in you have laws that are governing how your supposed to Transit what law what law I do you want me to give you the specific statutes in Georgia Arizona new I I don't know them off the top of my head if you want you can okay so then that's a baseless claim it's not a baseless claim ches ches bro and Eastman you can't provide me a specific law because I can't give you the state statute yeah if you can't give me a specific law then why should I believe you there's no justification for that you have to provide evidence for that are you hold on on the contrary are you claiming there's no formal process that's codified in leg in the legislature for to send your your transmit your electoral votes do they just do it randomly no of course I'm saying of course there's laws that are involved but you can't point to the specific law that says that that is I don't know the numbers your claim is baseless it's it's always crazy to see that you guys will carry water even Trump's own people don't deny this because they know that they're dead to rights because the emails have leaked the conversations have leaked the Twitter posts are there that we can see accounts really what did I just say it was wrong what one thing that I just said it was incorrect you're getting upset because I'm pressing you on no I'm not you're not pressing at all you're getting uping you're like a Magikarp you no idea what you're talking about when you have to result to personal insults that's when you know you're Los you already said that I was lying you can't name a single thing I'm incorrect about I can name multiple things you've been incorrect about you were incorrect now you're not me get a word I think I mean I think you're just speaking for yourself you're making yourself look foolish in this Cas go ahead but okay yeah I mean there's 10 seconds go give me your hardest claim again it was for the same reason you can compare the election of 1960 to 2020 it's the exact same thing they did that in case there were in case their cases actually came to fraud and they found fraud in the election that's time Micah please return to your seat my next claim is that Harris would be a better president for immigration in the Border than Donald Trump oh hey what's up long time to see yeah all right so why would be KLA Harris be better than Trump on immigration cuz I don't know if Trump even knows what's actually wrong with the Border he doesn't know what he's what do you mean by that I think that Republicans don't know what is happening right now with the problems with their immigration system a lot of people think that the issue is with illegal immigration it's not the problem is that our Asylum process is completely and totally broken right now and the problem is the only way to rectify that is to change the laws governing or at least some of the regulations governing the Asylum process and when there was a bill on the table to do so Donald Trump blocked it to keep the Border open for an election issue but as as it stands right now you could have the biggest strongest wall in the world with the best guns and all the people manning it it would make zero difference on illegal immigration they would still come up and claim Asylum and there's nothing you'd be able to do about it so do you think there's problems with illegal and illegal that's what I'm hearing correctly well it's different classifications of immigrants but like Asylum Seekers aren't technically illegal immigrants even though Republicans call them that when they're doing the Asylum seeking process and millions of people are here waiting to hear their case technically that's all legal which is an issue okay but why would KLA harff be better than Trump you said you understand it better I think everybody understands the issue but I think the Democrats and Republicans at least the establishment they don't want to fix the issue so well but if they so I don't think everyone understands the issue so every single person sitting here doesn't believe me when I just said that the laws on the books and the Asylum process are the main issue they think it's just people illegally crossing the border right the reason why I think that the Democrats do something because they're not enforcing laws on the book people that shouldn't be they that's the issue they're enforcing them but there people that are illegal here and they're not being sent back that I mean that's a that's a whole other deportation not enforcing law then well who's they the government which one the state governments or the federal government well the federal government doesn't have the resources to go in and try and find every single potential illegal immigrant in the United States there's a whole bunch of is we send how many billions to Ukraine like we have the money we can hire people there's a lot of people in this country so it can happen so the majority of like 80% of the aid we send to Ukraine is in the form of like used weapons and stuff um but secondly it's just a matter of even if you say we have the money for it I mean we would have to appropriate the funds for it and everything else to do it like it's not a matter of simply saying like oh we're going to Triple the size of the DHS or whatever to do but so now you're saying so I so you want to be tough in Immigration right and you think kis is going to be tough in Immigration just generally speaking like she's going to crack down on it Deport illegal send them home I don't know I don't even I'm not necessarily I'm not talking about being tough on or deporting I'm just saying that to fix the issue we have right now which is way many people coming in and claiming Asylum it's not so the fix of guys stop people coming in so we need to no no the issue is we need to stop the Asylum process or we need to figure out a way to to make that better right but there's multiple things that need to be fixed it's a multifarious issue and KLA Harris originally says that KKK you've been voted out by the majority please return to your seats um I'm Luke by the way nice to meet you um so I just wanted to briefly talk about you're talking about this Senate bill that failed the house what is your argument with that because as far as my knowledge with this bill it was $118 billion that was the financial standing within this bill within that $60 billion of that 118 billion was going to go towards Ukraine only 20 I have the chart with me only $20 billion was going to go towards the Border $10 billion was going to go towards Gaza $14 billion was go going to go towards Israel this Senate bill was a bad Bill first off and second off it was just a disguising Bill to give more money towards Ukraine so you talk about the bill that's so this is the argument that was floated initially but the problem is they tried to reintroduce this bill on its own and it still failed Bill itself was was written poorly within the bill they're going to cap uh what is the average weekly immigrations at 5,000 that's still way too many people do you know what it's capped at right now what is it capped at nothing that's why it was a good idea 5,000 is still way too much why don't they cap why cap it at less what they allowed it what they allowed it to do what they allowed it to do is it allowed it to say if there were too many people coming in they could put a twoe moratorium and completely shut down people that were coming to the country to seek Asylum that was one thing allowed to now they these are for individual these are the individuals that are not or that are seeking Asylum do you know how many individuals that seek Asylum actually file their paperwork for Asylum well if you come in here l no it's less than half if you're coming here to get a slip to go to Asylum as an excuse the process which comes with people that come for Asylum the easiest and most I guess used process they come typically through San Diego or Arizona they put these individuals on a freight train send that train to New York they house them typically at The Roosevelt Hotel other hotels in New York are also being used then they give them an identification bracelet that has a number basically like Nazi German isine please let me finish talking I'm respect it doesn't matter I'm resp some okay let's talk about the Asylum process right if Democrats wanted to allocate more money to the judges to process the claims faster to allocate more money to border security to make sure people W coming in illegally and then to be able to put a moratorium if too many people were coming in wouldn't all of these things help if only less than 50% of people that are actually coming for Asylum or filing their paperwork none of that matters we should be you getting a slip to to to go to court for an asylum judge if you're not filing your paperwork what I'm saying is these people are using Asylum as an excuse to get to America to use our resources do you know how much money that we've spent so there's two different types of immigrants there well two different types of illegal immigrants there's Goda aways and there's give UPS do you know what each one is uh Catch and Release vers so give UPS give ups are individuals that typically their families are typically Asylum Seekers that they intentionally want to get um processed through border through border control Goda ways are typically criminals which there's 14 14,000 murderers right now that are within our country coming through the Border Goda ways alone which are typically criminals we are spending 450 billon million dollar a year just to support these criminals that are coming through through the god away process okay so all of this is great but it returns me back to my other question if people are doing this by abusing the Asylum process MH it feels like a bill would have helped and Donald Trump has done nothing because before we can have any type of Bill that basically funnels down Asylum versus Goda aways versus give up versus criminals versus all that you need to have a secure border yeah but let's say not that was not going to help that was not going to help let's say you SEC the 1 trillion okay tall on the wall and everything everybody else comes up and they still do the exact same Asylum claiming process what do you mean everybody comes up as and you go to a port of entry and you say hey I'm here to claim Asylum and if you have a closed border that has a stricter process for whoever's coming through which one of those processes which was extremely effective was our remain in Mexico act so it wasn't effective yes it was the Biden Administration revoked that act as well as 94 executive orders that Trump installed during its Administration there was a reason that our border had a 50 year alltime low and I want to ask you a question let me ask you question this was coming off OB do you condemn 14y olds two or no number two or no number two he doesn't do you condemn 14y olds being obviously I would condemn 14y I'm not going to play this you cond condem Lincoln Riley's murderer who came in and murdered her who was coming through an illegal Goda away process you condemn I don't care how they got here always you condemn the 321,000 missing children right now that are we cannot find at the border it's I don't even think that number is real, heard all the fake numbers you understand I'm giving you facts right now that are presented through ice that are presented FEA comprehension of the issue it's just numbers you're just regurgitating them compr I'm asking you a very simple question let's say that you secure the Border how does it help the ASL process to get people amped up people are dying kids are being trafficed ask you drug are coming through all 90% of the fol in this country comes in through legal people it's not always traic illegals yes it is during the Biden Administration fentanyl an average yearly pound of fentanyl is 15,000 it's exceeding 15,000 during the Trump Administration it was less than 25 that's more numbers that have nothing to do with what we're talking about just random numbers no you have no you don't understand the issue yes I know they facts facts people are dying fact all you're concerned about is trying to be right I'm I'm concerned about the difference is care about people you don't if you don't you don't care don't give would I not care you're supporting the president that blocked the bill that would the problems you don't give a [ __ ] about that our the Riley or the Lincoln riy and all these people getting killed you're thinking yes it's an election issue which is what Donald Trump thought blocked the bill you're saying so you're that I was excited like how you were excited that Cory was you're excited you are excited when a person dies to an illegal immigrant but when something goes to get done about it you Champion Trump when he blocks the bill the bill was a bad bill period really what What legislation did Donald Trump pass in his four years as president he had closed borders he had the remain of Mexico that doesn't sound like a bill remain in Mexico by the way was responsible for keeping like 10,000 immigrants away a year which nothing 42 is co he gets no credit for that next title 42 allowed law enforcement title 42 is gone there's no Co it wasn't covid specific what do you think title 42 was title 42 allowed law enforcement to process illegals that were coming through now they've revoked that if a sheriff or police officer say there's a murderer that comes through illegally if a police officer tries to process that guy and get him him the police officer is going to be charged with kidnapping not the murderer the murderer is just going to get away with this stuff you can't own up to the facts that are actually happing of the criminals that are coming through if someone is truly coming into this country fleeing say it's Venezuela Fe fleeing a South American country or any country that their life is truly at stake everybody here has a heart for them no you don't yes we how dare you family immigrants so how can you say in your world in your ideal world if somebody was escaping one of those countries and coming to the Border you're saying keep them in Mexico until we process them where's the compassion there Mexico is 10 times safer than the country that they you think that the Border towns that are being overwhelmed by people coming to seek ex country oh there it is the protect country yeah so there's no you've been voted out by the majority please return to your [Applause] seat I'm glad we agree that there's a problem with Asylum system and I actually we don't agree I think that but well I'm I'm agreeing with you that there's a problem with the Asylum system I actually think you care I've been following you for a while I actually think you deeply care about this issue and how it's affecting the American people I do believe that sincerely what is the for the tens of millions of folks are going to watch this video just what is Asylum as a process represent to you what does it mean to qualify legitimately for Asylum to legitimately qualify for asyl um there's um there's like official characteristics for it but basically the the place that you're fleeing you're being persecuted for some characteristic or trait that we think that you obviously shouldn't be persecuted for and you're facing like severe threats to your existence and so you have to flee the country and then you're you're basically coming to the United States saying like I'm I'm basically stateless I can't go back to my home like me or my family is at risk and can you you know basically take me in and me become a citizen that way basically that's exactly right you're fleeing racial religious ethnic persecution absolutely poverty wouldn't count as Asylum um I'm just it's a fact poverty doesn't count you have to be fleeing a particular type of persecution if poverty is a coincident Factor there then but the persecution is key sure I'm going to I'm going to hesitantly agree with you but I like like let's say you're pacing facing poverty in like Syria where it's like a collapsed State then it's like I can say that being different but in general yeah if it's if you're just poor you probably shouldn't be able to come here and seek Asylum for that absolutely and and so that's why 90% of Asylum claims are rejected let's talk about remain in Mexico you brought up that you think it was a failure it seems yes why is that um one I think there were a lot of lawsuits in the United States that were starting to look promising I think in terms of returning it I think the ACLU had gotten a victory in the 11th circuit or the nth circuit um and then also because just the number of people that were being kept out from in Mexico I want to say the total number over I think it was like three years was like 30 or 40,000 it wasn't that many like altogether but isn't that actually a sign of its success because it was a successful deterrent think about it this way Stephen if you got people who are fleeing religious persecution and you got folks who are fleeing poverty the people who are actually fleeing persecution they will happily go to Mexico and wait for 6 months for their case to be heard I I don't know if that's always the case well but if you're if you're fleeing and you literally have nothing you're like a destitute family now you're sitting on like a Border Town like waiting months and months maybe for your that's better than religious persecution in Syria right it might be but ideally in the United States we could process you almost immediately and if you have a legitimate claim we can house you here absolutely but how do we keep the fraud out of the system I thought remain in Mexico wherever you are politically was a good way to do that the idea was that if you're actually fleing persecution in Syria or in East Asia or in Africa you would be 99% better off in that camp in Mexico where it is protected where you have food where you have humanitarian resources that keeps the fraud claims out and so did this bipartisan border Bill well first and foremost nine Democrats including Elizabeth Warren actually voted against it so Donald Trump didn't kill it Donald Trump was opposed to it for the same reasons that many Republicans and some democrat clear would that pass would that bill have passed without Donald Trump telling Republicans not to vote for it no it would not have Okay that's completely and totally incorrect what's your pro of that listen let's just talk about the substance of it well the proof is that like it would have passed people like McConnell people like Cruz are literally saying like we're not voting on this bill because Donald Trump has told us to pull plug on it but the idea was it was so what would that bill have done to deter the fraudu and Asylum claims that are keeping out legitimate folks who are fleeing persecution well I think that right now the biggest there there's an amalgamation of laws that make it so that because the Asylum system is so backed up I know that if I go to the United States even my claim is total [ __ ] I can run in run to a port claim that I'm an asylum seeker and I know that they can't process me right now so I get a slip saying okay we'll come back to court in a year or two and it's like I'm in and you're done at that point you just disappear right but if they could process you almost immediately you show up and you're like hey I'm a Sil like oh cool we'll come talk to the judge you're like okay well [ __ ] me then the the motivation to come in and try to get in fraudulently that way I think dramatically decreases and one of the big things that the bill helped with was providing a lot more judges that would be allocated for these things and a lot more funding for it ET just to correct that point there weren actually judges they were filing they were funding custom officers who don't have law degrees who are biased one way who are more likely to approve Asylum claims that might end up proving fraudulent I think wait hold on who processes the Asylum claims If eventually you have to sit in front of a judge understand no no and just just clearly here Customs officers under the bipartisan border bill would be then given authority to process these claims they don't have law degrees they aren't judges judges typically kick these cases but in this particular bill by Langford it would actually be Customs officers taking Customs officers would make the final decision on whether or not a person gets into the and that's how you build up capacity because you couldn't hire more immigration judges there aren't enough people in the country to take those J I think you can I think the issue is that the judge number has been capped since I think the 80s or the 60s in terms of how many judges are allowed to hear these claims so we haven't had more funding that was bring back in Mexico it absolutely Works St because I don't think it necessarily Works number one because not that many people were kept out and number two even as a matter of policy I don't know if the idea to the country to the South you was like Hey listen a ton of people coming to Sal we're going to go and store them in your country while we wait and process it I don't know how even Mexico would feel about that I don't know if the conditions would necessarily be safer for those people either because I thought that one of the claims that I heard so much from the trpes was how unsafe all of these like border towns had become because of so many people building up there so why would you want to stick a legitimate Asylum Seeker there and keep them there would you agree that if somebody was coming here to legitimately seek Asylum and and it was a legitimate case that would probably be good to take them in and house them immediately in an Ideal World absolutely but we need to also separate those who are abusing the system again 90% of those claims are fraudulent but so then would so then shouldn't we increase the funding to process those claims as I think the deterrent is better in Mexico but Stephen let's agree to disagree okay okay awesome great jeez up hi actually he's been snubbed now twice so I I'm sorry I'm going to let him have it hi what's up what's up I'll get next time okay so um my issue with the bipartisan border bill is that it only gets activated on a mandatory basis if there are 5,000 people per day crossing the border I agree with you that the Asylum process is the problem but that bill also expands protections for ases or people seeking Asylum the bipartisan border bill which is a problem I think that hr2 was much more effective at preventing um like people abusing the Le hr2 might have been more effective from a conservative standpoint but that bill was DOA and everybody knew it because Democrats didn't want to vote for it because I don't even know if they would have had Republicans do you think that it would be a win for Democrats if they passed hr2 like politically speaking probably not that bill went much further you don't think that it would be good for Joe Biden's image no I think that I would have to go back and read it because I think that bill was way more extreme in terms of like processing people I don't think it was a very El which I think is a good thing uh there are a couple other things um like I haven't read the bill was D way there was no popular there's no chance in hell that was the bipartisan border bill was terrible too the bipartisan border bill was it was that would have passed less Donald Trump right but it didn't address the current issue there's about 1,000 it did address it it might not you could say it might not address it adequately but it would have been a big step in that direction there there are about okay yeah right but the issue would have to get about twice as bad as it currently is there's about 1,900 people who cross per day currently under the bipartisan border bill on a mandatory basis the emergency Powers could only be activated if 5,000 people crossed over the Border um daily over a 7-Day period right yeah but then after that happens you can shut the border down for 2 weeks and process zero but you can you can only the the bill the emergency powers given in the bill can only be used for 270 days of the first calendar year 225 of the second and 180 of the third and in addition to that if it drops below 70% of that mandatory number uh 5,000 which is about 3,750 which is almost exactly double what it currently is it gets automatically rescinded the powers go away I don't believe the poers they have the ability how can anybody come in if they're not if they're processing zero claims wait what do you mean if they're processing zero claims once they hit it's the Bas of it's on the basis of crossers so 5 but it shuts down Asylum claims as well that was the nice thing about it we don't have an issue right now with illegal immigrants coming into this country we have a problem right now I know yeah stay mad you guys can't read that's fine the problem that we have right now is with Asylum Seekers agre not ilal immigrant I agree with you and and this bill expanded protections for Asylum Seekers yeah but it also gave the ability for the border to shut downal no two weeks shut down for what is our moratorium right now when people claiming Asylum I I don't know what the me zero it's nothing so this would be better definitionally you said you said earlier that like you were talking about about uh I forget who it was with like the 5,000 cap on a mandatory basis or whatever it's not a cap that's not a cap on like no it's like a sday rolling average yeah yeah let me let me finish it's it's not a cap on how many people can come into the Border obviously zero people are allowed to illegally cross the border right but right people coming C yes yes yes I agree with you let me land my plane okay okay so that's not a cap on how many people can cross the border obviously it's illegal for anybody to cross the border uh it's a cap on power okay pause sorry time's up okay please return to your seat 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journalists that are raising the bar on news and focusing on serving you unbiased straight f facts thanks again to straight Aro news for partnering with us on this episode now let's get into it my next claim is that Donald Trump's economic plans would increase inflation and devastate the economy hi so under the Trump Administration inflation was consistently at 2% under Biden Harris it's 5.5 what do you think the biggest contributor to the in haris inflation has been uh well you could say the um supply chain but I would say the bills that they passed the inflation reduction r with had nothing to do with inflation the only reason inflation's kind of at two and a half now is because they rais interest rates has nothing to do with what they've done okay so what was the huge event that probably triggered a ton of inflation because of all the knock on effects from it there was a really big event that happened in the past five years of Co yeah okay okay so Co happened so if we look at Donald Trump's Administration and we look at what he did he ran massive budget deficits he did nothing to cut spending he did giant tax cuts right and he pressured the FED to keep interest rates well Harris adds like a trillion per year to yeah but at least they can argue for why they would have deficits right because they're trying to save us from a massive recession which more or less they did we already hit recession a couple times not no not really no yeah by the letter of the law we have okay if you want to say that we have that it was a soft landing at worst okay but it's nowhere near as bad as it could have been but at least they had we were coming into economic crisis they probably had to spend for why did Donald Trump run massive budget deficits when he was sitting on a great economy that he inherited from Obama it wasn't a great economy it was an amazing economy the stock markets were posting alltime highs for like three or four years before he even came into office and the guy even higher under him they did they continue to grow yes but why did he have to run budget deficits to do that I mean his trp his tax cuts actually helped everyone it helped me as a middle- class person of course because he did deficit spending deficit spending always helps it gives you more money yeah but but how would this ever help inflation well there was no inflation under Trump yeah because the economy and everything in the world was growing too right Co hadn't shut everything down yet but I'm saying that Donald Trump's Administration even his last month in office that was 1.4% Biden can't even get that in his best yeah but the are we are we GNA cite like the year of CO as like these are the well yeah I mean if you want to be preped to under covid the LA the last few months unemployment was terrible so if you wanted to go off that too but as soon as um the country opened back up they tried to take all this credit all these of all these jobs that were just bounce back sure and I wouldn't I think that's pretty stupid to say that we created this many jobs or whatever so I'm not giving them credit for that necessarily of course they would but I'm just saying when we look at just for inflation everything that Donald Trump talks about when he wants to come back on his next term seems like things it would just be INF he wants toar everything well he wants to drill more which will lower the price of everything we already a world producer in energy I don't know how much drilling more is going to help and but I mean he also want I don't even know how we'll have the people to drill because he wants to increase tariffs on every single product in the world well just stuff made out of America what which will benefit the America but if it's made out of America then what then who's going to be drilling when we're all busy like making clothes and making shoes and making the most basic fundamental products not all of us obviously stuff so come from overseas why he wants to terar all of it at 50 to 1,000% no he didn't say a th000 he said 100 he said he said a lot of numbers in that Bloomberg interview that he did yesterday I think he said a thousand for some of them but yeah he says he wants to he said he wants to tear everything he said 10 or 20% was too low he wants to manufacture everything at home and then when you uh when uh Harris went on The View and said would you do anything different uh than Biden she said no can't think of anything no matter how people are struggling struggling how the world is she can't think of one thing she would do well I mean the United States is ahead of the okay pause you've been voted out by the majority please return to your seat yeah [Applause] Jesus now Stephen that was very inflationary okay that was very high well hold on to be clear I'm not a huge fan of just like stimulus stuff because I think it has a lot of inflationary pressures I think for giving student loan debt I think would also be massively infation a lot of bad ways but none of those even come close to the E total economic destruction that would be r on this country with across the board Universal tariffs to every country in the world were you concerned by the tariffs in the first term yes okay why didn't we see the inflation in the first term under Trump over this under these tariffs that you're so concerned about because I think that raising prices and everything can kind of be massed through the allocation of money to other assets especially when the econom is growing so the world economy is growing right because a lot of people can buy things a lot of money can can transfer to a lot of different places uh inflation has to do with dollars chasing supplies of goods basically and if the supplies continue to grow at a really high rate you can probably afford more deficit spending but the issue is that I don't think that Donald Trump was intelligently saying like well I can probably afford a deficit spend here because of economy I think he just likes to spend spend spend because everybody does and I don't think that Trump would have the ability to re it in as he said multiple times in his Bloomberg interview yesterday but but also like the big event that was contributing to inflation over the Biden Administration was probably Co and a lot of the knock on stuff from Co American Rescue plan for example the unemployment rate had already been cut and half 100 million people had immunity to the VAC to the virus and yet we put2 trillion dollars of heroin into the economy the United States is also outperforming every single other G7 oecd country when it comes to metrics like inflation and how our economy is doing as well I think we probably made the right choice there right well Stephen I'll say wait wait would you say that we made the right choice for with like the American I I disagree I disagree so which country should we have acted like well I I'm going to hold ourselves to the American Standard which is to always to do the best thing and not to compare ourselves to others okay so we are outperforming everybody else but you think we should be doing even better okay Stephen if I'm the best alcoholic in the room I'm in the wrong room I don't want to be the best of the worst I want to be the best compared my own standard okay but to be clear you're talking about a world where every single person alcoholic I'm just saying that you're you're you're you're trying to point to an economic poliy you can't point to in any other country in the world and we measure milon relational to other countries and the fact that we hav interrupted you with all respect I haven't 8 and a half million people are working multiple jobs to keep up with inflation You've Got 7 million Prime working age men who are not in the labor force 37% of Americans say that their children's life will not be better than theirs this economy is hurting a lot of people right now do you accept that no what's Donald Trump going to do to improve that economy well let's well let's talk about that for a moment let's let's just talk about that for a moment With all sincerity sure what problem does tariffs try to address Stephen um in Donald Trump's world or what that's a very general question objective speaking when you look at tariffs what does it try to solve for um tariffs can be led for a variety of different reasons the two most common reasons that are given is that one it can be foolishly employed to try to protect an industry so you would other people to make your own Industries more competive these require cross theard tffs not specific ones and then a second reason could be for issues relating to say like naal security so for instance I want to tear off these people's abilities to manufacture microchips are steel not because I think we'll be economically better off but because if we get into war with them I don't want to be relying on them for process I think the latter case makes a lot of sense by the way if you get to war with China now listen although I would be honest about the latter one to say we don't do it for economic reasons we do it for security reason that's fine that's absolutely fine and I agree with you on that does China have tariffs on us yes does Europe have tariffs on us yes it's not free trade when they're rigging it against us and charging us to send our products over there so the question is Stephen if they're putting tariffs on us hurting our workers hollowing out places from Middletown Ohio to parts of Appalachia why can't we put in place a deterrent that says look if you're going to rig the system against American workers we are going to level the playing field we got a real problem in this country by the way St you ask me a question you ask me a question whatever economic plan or whatever you're talking about using terrorist sure I'm fine with that whatever you're saying that was nothing to do with the Trump Administration what you're you're talking into AI War to tr BRS down or for some Eng negotiations bringi down to reenter trade agreements kind of When Donald Trump renegotiated NAFTA into the US Mexico Canada right but however but but you can't just say Donald trp the threat of terrs bring them to the talking about using tariffs to get more people to negotiate he wants to create an autarchy that's his goal do you acknowledge that Donald Trump wants us to manufacture everything at home that's all of his rhetoric do you acknowledge he doesn't say okay no no Stephen just one second yeah he wants us to employ the working men and women of this country to give them a fair shot we're losing 100,000 people to opioids every year we're losing 900 people empy we're already below we're already below what the employment should be we're already below 5% Stephen 7 million working age men are not in the labor force that's a great number I don't know what that number hold on do you acknowledge hold on stepen Stephen just one sec half of working age men who were not in the labor force are taking opioid painkillers every day the broken industrial policies of this country Sho that AR being made in China is going to imag get rid of that problem no no Sten this does New Balance make in America yes or no does New Balance make in America I don't know for the finally assembly maybe okay yes they do but here's the thing what's the point of that Stephen Stephen Stephen do you think that we can manufacture every single good we no I don't think so I don't think so what is the goal of a th000 or 500 or whatever 100 where are Tesla's made where are Tesla's made where's the bestselling car in America made in the world rather where is it made I don't when you say America on what do you mean by that every single part no the final assembly a large you understand that yesterday when Donald Trump was doing his interview with Bloomberg he made fun of that Donald Trump [ __ ] on companies like Tesla when he said we do the final assembly here we could have children do that it's just throwing together Legos Donald Trump doesn't like final assembly Donald Trump wants not just the Tesla final assembly here but all the batteries all the steal every single component of that made in America again your plan sounds great that sounds like an ordinary like decent economic plan Donald Trump's plan is autarchy it's ridiculous I'm glad you like my plan thanks okay I if you run for president I'll support it I appreciate it Stephen hi hey y all right so if Trump is going to be bad for inflation why is it that when he left office in 2021 inflation was at like almost an alltime low practically non-existent at 1.4% as soon as he left that's when inflation started Rising with the Biden Harris Administration um if he's going to be bad at inflation why was the economy so good his whole four years um if you look at all the polls from any news site even CNN which is more left leaning you'll see that um people all people in general say that they trust Trump more with the did Donald Trump do that made the economy so good in the last four years the question should be what did he not do he didn't do anything exactly I agree he didn't do anything he didn't do anything badti do the economy had been growing ever since Obama had brought us out of the the end of the 2007 collapse again another Democrat president comes in whether it's 2008 with Obama inheriting the housing crisis or whether it's 20 20 with Biden coming and having to do with Co yeah he had to come in and spend like crazy you can't blame everything on Co okay uh blame a lot on Co it was a really big deal and we are doing better than all the other countries right now I agree under Biden that's true yes yeah and when Trump left office he was also in the middle of Co 2 and inflation was still at 1.4% why has it tripled Donald Trump SP like the first year of Co or the first like month of Co pretending it didn't exist I don't know if he was like the leader to point to about that okay well I just don't know like what is what like what's one policy that Donald Trump has given if he comes back into office is going to help inflation just one he's going to be doing tariffs and he's that makes things more expensive also going to be pause you've been voted out by the majority please return to your seat yep hi hi nice to meet you nice meet you okay so the Congressional budget office in the 1980s reported that 1 to three billion M billion dollars was spent on illegal immigrants who were coming in and basically feeding off of Public Services so what I don't really find appealing is that you get a lot of conversation from the right and the left asking basically everyone except Latinos what they think about this issue okay because it affects us it affects the fact that we're here we've crossed legally and then we're getting our image basically affected by the fact that we have criminals killing Americans by the way let me just give you a few names who have died basically at hands of illegal criminals Lincoln Riley which people know Christopher Gad Travis wolf Alex what do you not care about these names no I don't care about these names oh you don't oh I'm good well that's if we're having a policy discussion no do do you want me to start naming off like every black person that gets killed by police offic or whatever you want to do the BLM tactics I mean we can do that but like no I don't care a 12-year-old Travis Scott a baby by two years old all all death all murder is but what is the you have a son right nothing so if your son was killed at the hands of an illegal immigrant who was a criminal you would care about the sou I would also care if he was killed by a 15 I would kill if he I would care if he di a school shoo you mean what's the point wouldn't you be there advocating for the southern border to be closed you would be you think that my son High chance killed in a school shooting or by ille imant so you don't want to answer the question IM if your son was killed as a victim of at the hands of an illegal Criminal by the way there is a hit there there is a watch list of many people terrorist groups in organizations that have been coming into our country and it is very well known look let me tell you okay okay I'm sorry you've been voted out by the majority oh [Applause] okay so as everybody's already discussed um tariffs are actually beneficial to American manufacturing Ivanka Trump bought brought Louis Vuitton manufacturing back to America something that was considered unheard of why do you think every single Economist hates tariffs why do you think why do you hate American manufac