Charlie Kirk Debates College Student Sophie on Abortion, Border Policy, and Kamala Harris's Record

[00:00] okay no here we

[00:03] go please come up to the

[00:07] mic hi Charlie my name is Sophie um and

[00:10] I have a couple questions for you my

[00:12] first is that do you believe in state

[00:13] rights yeah I do you do okay are you

[00:17] okay then with uh the possibility of

[00:19] having a nationwide abortion

[00:20] ban I mean there's zero chance of that

[00:22] happening but of course one day I would

[00:24] love to have that happen yeah I mean we

[00:25] we can't get 30 Republican Senators to

[00:28] agree that they're pro-life and so it's

[00:30] fearmongering by your preferred

[00:31] candidate to try to hold on to political

[00:32] power exactly so you're okay with it

[00:35] though if it were to pass if there were

[00:37] to be a National Abortion Ben you would

[00:39] be okay with that well you know what

[00:40] it's not what Charlie Kirk means wants

[00:42] if it were to pass it means the People

[00:43] Want it because the representatives

[00:45] reflect the will the people acted as an

[00:46] executive action well no it can't first

[00:49] of all you can reinart the the comto

[00:50] lock and have to apply to the Supreme

[00:52] Court has said that it's to the states

[00:53] and that's where that's where it hold

[00:55] right now I think that's a really good

[00:56] place for it considering the temperature

[00:57] of the country project 2025 which is

[01:00] Donald Trump's plan well no it's not

[01:02] actually so it's like I'm not going to

[01:03] let you come up here and just lie that's

[01:05] not true it's it was done by an outside

[01:07] group he had nothing to do with it the

[01:09] Heritage Foundation which he took 60

[01:11] over 60% of his policies from in his

[01:12] first term you're going to say he's

[01:14] completely separate from the Heritage

[01:15] Foundation also the authors the authors

[01:17] of project 2025 were senior people in

[01:20] his first office well hold on I I I I

[01:23] since we're talking about project 2025

[01:25] maybe you can help me explain this do

[01:27] you support kamla Harris getting rid of

[01:28] the filibuster to restore restore Rovers

[01:31] his weight yes okay yeah I don't believe

[01:34] in the filibuster you don't believe in

[01:35] the filibuster I think it's

[01:36] anti-democratic okay uh do you think we

[01:38] should ban fracking yes I do does your

[01:41] candidate she's kind of iffy on that one

[01:44] she was against it or she was for

[01:46] Banning fracking in her you think she's

[01:48] telling the truth when she says she's

[01:49] for

[01:50] it uh for Banning fracking no that she

[01:53] says she's for fracking is she telling

[01:54] the truth I think that she's being

[01:56] pushed one way or the other because

[01:58] people or she she she's working winning

[02:00] an election oh winning an election so

[02:02] just tell the voters what they want

[02:03] right I think that if you want to win an

[02:05] election you have to sometimes

[02:06] compromise on the things that you

[02:07] originally believed in she realized that

[02:08] it was not a productive policy when she

[02:10] was running in 2020 and she didn't get

[02:12] the nomination so she backp and it's

[02:13] okay for people to change their opinions

[02:14] when they've learned more what is her

[02:15] greatest accomplishment uh she's had a

[02:18] record number of uh tiebreaking votes in

[02:21] the Senate of any vice president ever

[02:23] what what's what's the greatest

[02:24] legislative accomplishment you'd point

[02:26] to I don't have any no no but the

[02:28] tiebreaking vote tell me one tiebreaking

[02:31] oh I wish I had this on the top of my

[02:32] head but I don't I have another question

[02:34] for

[02:35] you I'm curious about her achievements

[02:37] of course parents can't abuse their kids

[02:38] but I do believe in parents rights yes

[02:39] but tell me

[02:41] this Nationwide yes of course we should

[02:44] ban critical race Theory from

[02:46] public no okay again I'm happy to that's

[02:49] backwards well hold on do you think that

[02:50] we should teach eugenics in our schools

[02:52] we do teach about Eugenics te as but we

[02:55] teach about it when we talk about teach

[02:57] it as fact about eugenics yes explain

[03:00] your question more so critical race

[03:01] theory is immoral and wrong and believes

[03:03] that certain races are not worthy of

[03:05] being treated as well critical race

[03:08] theory is about defining structures and

[03:10] right so tell me who was the original

[03:12] author since you know about it who was

[03:13] the original critical race theor in the

[03:14] 1990s name one I don't have the names on

[03:18] top of my head it's Derrick Angela Davis

[03:20] you just said that you were for par but

[03:22] you're against parents rights you're

[03:23] okay with them having a nation a

[03:25] nationwide band for a critical race and

[03:27] for on a second I do not believe that we

[03:30] should be teaching children that white

[03:31] people are bad because of the color of

[03:33] their skin I think that's fine that is

[03:36] fine as a

[03:38] belief that goes against your own belief

[03:41] in parents rights do you believe in

[03:42] small government hold on a second let me

[03:44] answer let's slow down a second parents

[03:46] rights I if a parent wants to homeschool

[03:48] their kids and teach critical race

[03:50] Theory they have the right to do that we

[03:52] should not taxpayer fund it though but

[03:54] let me ask you this question if parents

[03:55] are taxpayers and their taxpayer money

[03:58] is going to public

[04:00] that's pretty counter conservative let

[04:01] me ask you this question your candidate

[04:03] right now is not doing very well you

[04:06] agree no I don't I think it's actually

[04:07] just a neck and neck race it's going to

[04:08] be one of the margin great so why is it

[04:11] that most Americans think that Trump

[04:13] handled the economy better than Kamala

[04:15] and Biden because he inherited Obama's

[04:18] [Applause]

[04:19] [Music]

[04:20] economy because we went we went into a

[04:23] re into I'm sorry we went into inflation

[04:26] at the end of his term Joe Biden

[04:29] inherited inflation Joe Biden inherited

[04:32] his tax policies Joe Biden yeah I'm

[04:34] sorry I'm not going to teach an

[04:35] economics class right now do you believe

[04:37] in small government of course how many

[04:39] of you guys in the audience are getting

[04:40] crushed by inflation right now raise

[04:42] your hand all of us look at this all of

[04:44] us it's a global issue wait you're being

[04:46] crushed by your own vice president it's

[04:48] a global issue do you understand what do

[04:50] do people here understand what a vice

[04:52] president does what what has your Vice

[04:54] pres what what has kamla done to secure

[04:56] people understand what a vice president

[04:58] does hold on a second what does Joe

[05:01] Biden do he's the president oh so she

[05:06] has to do whatever he wants her to do

[05:08] that's what a vice president does I'm

[05:10] sorry you still haven't answered my

[05:11] question do you believe in small

[05:12] government yes you're doing a sequence

[05:13] of questions yes I do in what context

[05:15] though I believe the government should

[05:16] be small but strong small but strong

[05:18] explain that explain that so small in

[05:19] its scope strong and its enforcement it

[05:21] should have morally decare morally clear

[05:24] terms of what it does yes so you're okay

[05:26] with expanding the military as the it is

[05:27] part of the government no actually I by

[05:30] the way one of the reasons that we're

[05:31] here is because KLA Harris is a

[05:32] warmonger who wants to send hundreds of

[05:34] billions of dollars to Ukraine while our

[05:36] own border remains wide open and 320,000

[05:39] kids are missing in sex trafficking

[05:40] because of your preferred candidate

[05:42] kamla Harris are you worried about those

[05:43] 320,000 missing kids of course I'm

[05:45] worried about children however I don't

[05:46] believe that the Vice President is

[05:48] responsible for that she's in charge of

[05:49] the Border she took credit for the

[05:50] Border she's the borders are Joe Biden

[05:52] said this is this is who she she is in

[05:54] she has she was said I am in charge of

[05:56] the Border how how's she done at doing

[05:58] that by the way has she done a good job

[05:59] managing the Border I honestly disagree

[06:01] with all of the past administrations on

[06:04] their border policies personally okay

[06:05] but do you think she's done a good job

[06:07] no I don't think anybody's done a good

[06:09] job however there was a really an

[06:12] incredible very strict border bill that

[06:15] went into the Senate and was voted down

[06:17] because Donald Trump himself wanted it

[06:19] to be a voting issue no people you

[06:21] there's literally quotes there's

[06:23] literally let me ask so I don't want to

[06:25] spend too much time on this but let me

[06:26] ask you how many people would have been

[06:28] allowed to cross the border every day

[06:29] the bill tell

[06:31] me it's in the tens of thousands 5,000

[06:33] people a day it would so so that means

[06:35] I'm not against that do you believe in

[06:38] borders I do believe in borders but I'm

[06:40] not against limiting by a random number

[06:42] that's a random number do so do you so

[06:45] we need to pay attention to the context

[06:46] in which people are crossing the border

[06:47] why they're doing that context is

[06:49] important so when someone Robs a Bank if

[06:50] they're hungry that's okay say it again

[06:53] if someone is poor should they be able

[06:54] to break into America that's not at all

[06:56] what I'm insinuating no what's the

[06:58] context then I don't understand uh

[06:59] nobody's breaking into when you're

[07:01] talking about legal border crossing

[07:03] you're talking about 5,000 a day legal

[07:05] border crossing no no these are not

[07:07] these are illegal entries into the

[07:09] United States of America you know that

[07:10] there have been more arrests under this

[07:12] Administration for people crossing the

[07:13] border than there were during Donald

[07:14] Trump because there's more people coming

[07:15] across the southern border so context

[07:17] matters yeah 10 million people are

[07:19] illegally in the country let me ask one

[07:20] final question do you think kamla Harris

[07:22] did a good job managing the Russian

[07:24] Ukrainian War she went to the Munich

[07:25] security conference days before the

[07:27] invasion is she someone that you think

[07:29] is a smart person I do think she is a

[07:31] smart person that's that is a separate

[07:33] question I don't believe that the

[07:34] Ukrainian War has been handled well by

[07:36] anyone in government personally I we can

[07:39] say ey eye on

[07:42] that um what's one thing Trump did right

[07:45] as

[07:48] president I'll help you out he um did a

[07:51] lot of good things one of the things

[07:53] that he did was really boosted the

[07:56] economy of the United States disagree

[07:58] with that

[08:00] that's not true

[08:02] either no he was a part of the abam

[08:04] Accords which is the reason why Hamas

[08:06] attacked Israel on October 7th that no

[08:10] that no that that was because of his no

[08:12] his participation in creating the abrah

[08:14] talk to me just talk to me here okay I I

[08:17] can't think of a single thing that he's

[08:19] done that I would support I I disagree

[08:21] with it what what would you list the

[08:23] only thing that I that I can add there

[08:24] is you you've said that what does a vice

[08:26] president do right that she has to do

[08:28] whatever president the wants her to do

[08:31] but when she was asked just a week ago

[08:32] she was given the opportunity to maybe

[08:34] point out some differences when she was

[08:36] asked on The View what would you have

[08:38] done differently than Joe Biden and she

[08:39] said I cannot think of a single thing so

[08:42] she is responsible Joe Biden has said he

[08:45] delegated everything from domestic to

[08:47] foreign policy to her and she has been

[08:49] by his side every step of the way

[08:51] through every major decision he's made

[08:53] so she should be held accountable for a

[08:55] record that she continues to say that

[08:57] they are very proud of I I disagree with

[09:00] this held accountable stance but I

[09:02] actually I actually agree that I I

[09:03] thought that was a very poor answer I

[09:04] thought that she could have she had an

[09:06] opportunity there to bring in some of

[09:07] the voters who you know are maybe on the

[09:09] fence about her because of Joe Biden's

[09:11] policies and because of the idea this

[09:12] would be a continuation of of uh a Biden

[09:16] Administration I I really didn't

[09:17] appreciate that that opinion and I also

[09:19] don't think that she's a perfect

[09:20] candidate she's my preferred candidate

[09:22] but I don't believe she's a perfect

[09:23] candidate and so I'm I'm fully with you

[09:25] with that that was last question does it

[09:26] bother you that there was no primary

[09:29] uh no it doesn't I I no but and it's

[09:34] it's for it's for a practical reason and

[09:36] not like I would have preferred there

[09:38] have been a primary but primaries are

[09:40] very expensive I I would have preferred

[09:42] I'm not saying that I wouldn't have

[09:44] liked it I'm just saying that I'm not

[09:45] making a huge issue about it so explain

[09:47] to me how the party of democracy can

[09:49] have a candidate that no one voted for

[09:51] scar because it's within the rules it's

[09:54] literally within with the it's within

[09:56] the rules like that's we can change the

[09:58] rules later if we want R but like no one

[10:00] voted for her so how's that democracy I

[10:01] mean they did vote for her for vice

[10:03] president not in the Democrat primary

[10:05] Joe Biden runs alone in a primary

[10:07] there's no VP on list I'm also not in

[10:09] support of the two- party system I think

[10:10] the parties themselves have become

[10:11] extremely polarized I think it's created

[10:13] a polarized uh community and I think

[10:15] that the two- party system should be

[10:16] taken down they should have less power I

[10:18] actually believe in getting rid of

[10:19] primaries all together you seem like a

[10:21] smart person no I want what's your name

[10:24] what's your name I'm sorry Sophie Sophie

[10:27] you're bright thank you you're not not

[10:29] making a good political decision here

[10:31] but let me just tell you this your

[10:32] opinion you will look back and say wow

[10:35] kamla Harris is a corporate shill who

[10:37] actually does support not just the

[10:38] two-party system she supports a one

[10:40] party system she does uh let me finish

[10:42] and then we'll just call it call it even

[10:44] that she does not believe in freedom of

[10:45] speech she censors her opponent Donald

[10:47] Trump neither does Donald Trump yeah

[10:49] Donald Trump how how could you how could

[10:51] you say that who who is a Donald Trump

[10:54] ever shut

[10:55] up wait I'm sorry you think that Donald

[10:57] Trump supports freedom of speech of

[10:59] course he does he's extremely pro-israel

[11:02] and he there are 38 States right now

[11:04] that have uh anti-bds laws that is that

[11:07] is a violation of freedom of speech and

[11:08] if he were to take office I'm sure that

[11:10] he would continue those also the

[11:11] internet I'm sorry is not a utility the

[11:13] only way for freedom of speech to be

[11:14] impeached or impeded sorry is if the

[11:17] government does something but they they

[11:19] they said that those are private

[11:20] corporations do you believe that private

[11:21] private corporations should be able to

[11:23] make decisions about what they do it's a

[11:25] lot more nuanced than that like yeah so

[11:27] for example should United Airlines be

[11:29] able kick us off cuz we're we're

[11:30] Republicans now well what do you think

[11:32] that's because there's only three

[11:34] carriers and so it's more nuanced than

[11:36] that for example should AT&T should be

[11:38] able to drop your calls if you say

[11:39] you're supporting kamla if it's owned by

[11:40] a

[11:41] republican answer the question if AT&T

[11:44] finds out corporations should have the

[11:47] freedom to make any executive decisions

[11:49] that they want when it gets to scale and

[11:51] it's a monopoly it becomes more Nuance

[11:53] age on we agree on breaking up

[11:54] monopolies then yes we do I know but

[11:56] that's why it's more nuanced so all

[11:58] right we'll see who wins thank you so

[11:59] much