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The Abortion Debate: State Rights Versus Federal Action
The exchange began with Sophie asking Charlie Kirk whether he believes in state rights. When he confirmed he does, she challenged him on the possibility of a nationwide abortion ban. Kirk responded that while there's "zero chance of that happening," he would support it if it were to pass through proper legislative channels. He explained that such a ban would require 30 Republican Senators to agree, which is currently impossible, calling concerns about it "fearmongering" by her preferred candidate.
Kirk emphasized that if a national abortion ban were to pass, "it means the People Want it because the representatives reflect the will the people." He clarified that it couldn't happen through executive action and noted that the Supreme Court has already determined abortion policy belongs to the states, calling it "a really good place for it considering the temperature of the country."
Project 2025 and Trump's Connection to Heritage Foundation
Sophie brought up Project 2025, claiming it was "Donald Trump's plan." Kirk immediately pushed back, stating he wouldn't let her "come up here and just lie." He explained it was created by an outside group, the Heritage Foundation, and Trump had nothing to do with it. Sophie countered that Trump took over 60% of his first-term policies from the Heritage Foundation and that authors of Project 2025 were senior people in his first administration.
Kamala Harris's Policy Flip-Flops
Kirk then turned the tables, asking Sophie if she supports Kamala Harris getting rid of the filibuster to restore Roe v. Wade. Sophie said yes and added that she doesn't believe in the filibuster, calling it "anti-democratic." Kirk then asked about Harris's position on fracking. Sophie admitted she supports banning fracking and acknowledged that Harris is "kind of iffy" on the issue.
When pressed on whether Harris is telling the truth about now supporting fracking after previously wanting to ban it, Sophie explained that "if you want to win an election you have to sometimes compromise on the things that you originally believed in." She suggested Harris realized her anti-fracking stance "was not a productive policy" when she didn't get the nomination in 2020, so she backpedaled.
Unable to Name Harris Accomplishments
Kirk asked what Kamala Harris's greatest accomplishment is. Sophie responded that Harris has had "a record number of tiebreaking votes in the Senate of any vice president ever." When Kirk asked for her greatest legislative accomplishment, Sophie admitted, "I don't have any." She couldn't name a single specific tiebreaking vote when asked, saying "I wish I had this on the top of my head but I don't."
Critical Race Theory and Parental Rights
The discussion shifted to education policy, with Kirk asking if there should be a nationwide ban on critical race theory in public schools. Sophie said no, calling such a ban "backwards." Kirk drew a comparison to teaching eugenics, asking if schools should teach eugenics as fact. Sophie couldn't name the original critical race theorist when challenged, admitting "I don't have the names on top of my head."
Kirk pointed out the contradiction in Sophie's position: "You just said that you were for parental rights but you're against parents rights." He clarified his stance: "I do not believe that we should be teaching children that white people are bad because of the color of their skin." He explained that if parents want to homeschool their kids and teach critical race theory, they have that right, but it shouldn't be taxpayer funded.
The Economy and Inflation Crisis
Kirk asked why most Americans think Trump handled the economy better than Kamala and Biden. Sophie claimed it was "because he inherited Obama's economy." When Kirk asked the audience who was getting crushed by inflation, nearly everyone raised their hands. Sophie dismissed this as "a global issue," to which Kirk responded, "You're being crushed by your own vice president."
Sophie struggled to articulate what a vice president actually does, suggesting Harris has to do whatever Biden wants. Kirk pressed her on what Kamala has done to help with inflation, but Sophie couldn't provide specifics.
Border Security and the Missing Children
Kirk challenged Sophie on Kamala Harris's role as border czar, noting that "320,000 kids are missing in sex trafficking because of your preferred candidate kamla Harris." Sophie said she was worried about children but didn't believe the vice president was responsible. Kirk countered that Harris is in charge of the border and took credit for it, with Joe Biden specifically putting her in charge.
When asked if Harris did a good job managing the border, Sophie admitted, "I don't think anybody's done a good job." However, she defended a border bill that was voted down, claiming Donald Trump wanted it to fail so it would remain a voting issue. Kirk asked how many people would have been allowed to cross the border daily under that bill. Sophie initially said "tens of thousands" before correcting to "5,000 people a day," which she claimed she wasn't against.
Kirk pressed her on whether she believes in borders and limiting illegal crossings. Sophie argued that "context is important" when people cross the border. Kirk asked if context matters when someone robs a bank because they're hungry, or if poor people should be able to break into America. Sophie noted that there have been more arrests under the current administration, but Kirk pointed out that's because more people are coming across—10 million people are illegally in the country.
Foreign Policy Failures
Kirk asked if Kamala Harris did a good job managing the Russian-Ukrainian War, noting she went to the Munich security conference days before the invasion. Sophie said she thinks Harris is a smart person but admitted, "I don't believe that the Ukrainian War has been handled well by anyone in government personally."
Unable to Name Anything Trump Did Right
When Kirk asked Sophie to name one thing Trump did right as president, she struggled significantly. Kirk helped her out, listing that Trump boosted the economy and was part of the Abraham Accords. Sophie initially disagreed with the economy point, then when Kirk mentioned the Abraham Accords, she incorrectly claimed that was why Hamas attacked Israel on October 7th. Ultimately, Sophie admitted, "I can't think of a single thing that he's done that I would support."
Harris's Inability to Differentiate from Biden
Kirk pointed out that when Harris was asked on The View what she would have done differently than Joe Biden, she said "I cannot think of a single thing." He argued that if a vice president has to do whatever the president wants, but Harris can't name a single difference, then "she should be held accountable for a record that she continues to say that they are very proud of."
Sophie actually agreed this was a poor answer, saying, "I thought that she could have she had an opportunity there to bring in some of the voters who you know are maybe on the fence about her because of Joe Biden's policies." She admitted Harris isn't a perfect candidate but said she's her preferred candidate.
The Democracy Question: No Primary
Kirk's final question was whether it bothers Sophie that there was no primary for Kamala Harris. Sophie said no, explaining that "primaries are very expensive" and while she would have preferred one, she's "not making a huge issue about it." When Kirk asked how the party of democracy can have a candidate that no one voted for, Sophie said it's "within the rules."
Kirk pressed: "No one voted for her so how's that democracy?" Sophie responded that people voted for her as vice president, though she admitted she's not in support of the two-party system and believes "the parties themselves have become extremely polarized." She went further, saying she believes "in getting rid of primaries all together."
Final Thoughts on Corporate Power and Freedom of Speech
Kirk concluded by telling Sophie she's bright but not making a good political decision. He warned that she will "look back and say wow kamla Harris is a corporate shill who actually does support not just the two-party system she supports a one party system." He added that Harris "does not believe in freedom of speech" and "censors her opponent Donald Trump."
Sophie pushed back, claiming Trump doesn't support freedom of speech either, citing his pro-Israel stance and the 38 states with anti-BDS laws as violations of freedom of speech. The discussion ended with a nuanced conversation about whether private corporations should be able to make decisions about speech, with both agreeing on the need to break up monopolies when companies reach certain scale.
Kirk used examples like United Airlines and AT&T to illustrate when corporate power becomes problematic, and Sophie agreed that monopoly power creates complications. The debate concluded with Kirk thanking Sophie and saying "we'll see who wins."
Video Transcript
[00:00] okay no here we
[00:03] go please come up to the
[00:07] mic hi Charlie my name is Sophie um and
[00:10] I have a couple questions for you my
[00:12] first is that do you believe in state
[00:13] rights yeah I do you do okay are you
[00:17] okay then with uh the possibility of
[00:19] having a nationwide abortion
[00:20] ban I mean there's zero chance of that
[00:22] happening but of course one day I would
[00:24] love to have that happen yeah I mean we
[00:25] we can't get 30 Republican Senators to
[00:28] agree that they're pro-life and so it's
[00:30] fearmongering by your preferred
[00:31] candidate to try to hold on to political
[00:32] power exactly so you're okay with it
[00:35] though if it were to pass if there were
[00:37] to be a National Abortion Ben you would
[00:39] be okay with that well you know what
[00:40] it's not what Charlie Kirk means wants
[00:42] if it were to pass it means the People
[00:43] Want it because the representatives
[00:45] reflect the will the people acted as an
[00:46] executive action well no it can't first
[00:49] of all you can reinart the the comto
[00:50] lock and have to apply to the Supreme
[00:52] Court has said that it's to the states
[00:53] and that's where that's where it hold
[00:55] right now I think that's a really good
[00:56] place for it considering the temperature
[00:57] of the country project 2025 which is
[01:00] Donald Trump's plan well no it's not
[01:02] actually so it's like I'm not going to
[01:03] let you come up here and just lie that's
[01:05] not true it's it was done by an outside
[01:07] group he had nothing to do with it the
[01:09] Heritage Foundation which he took 60
[01:11] over 60% of his policies from in his
[01:12] first term you're going to say he's
[01:14] completely separate from the Heritage
[01:15] Foundation also the authors the authors
[01:17] of project 2025 were senior people in
[01:20] his first office well hold on I I I I
[01:23] since we're talking about project 2025
[01:25] maybe you can help me explain this do
[01:27] you support kamla Harris getting rid of
[01:28] the filibuster to restore restore Rovers
[01:31] his weight yes okay yeah I don't believe
[01:34] in the filibuster you don't believe in
[01:35] the filibuster I think it's
[01:36] anti-democratic okay uh do you think we
[01:38] should ban fracking yes I do does your
[01:41] candidate she's kind of iffy on that one
[01:44] she was against it or she was for
[01:46] Banning fracking in her you think she's
[01:48] telling the truth when she says she's
[01:49] for
[01:50] it uh for Banning fracking no that she
[01:53] says she's for fracking is she telling
[01:54] the truth I think that she's being
[01:56] pushed one way or the other because
[01:58] people or she she she's working winning
[02:00] an election oh winning an election so
[02:02] just tell the voters what they want
[02:03] right I think that if you want to win an
[02:05] election you have to sometimes
[02:06] compromise on the things that you
[02:07] originally believed in she realized that
[02:08] it was not a productive policy when she
[02:10] was running in 2020 and she didn't get
[02:12] the nomination so she backp and it's
[02:13] okay for people to change their opinions
[02:14] when they've learned more what is her
[02:15] greatest accomplishment uh she's had a
[02:18] record number of uh tiebreaking votes in
[02:21] the Senate of any vice president ever
[02:23] what what's what's the greatest
[02:24] legislative accomplishment you'd point
[02:26] to I don't have any no no but the
[02:28] tiebreaking vote tell me one tiebreaking
[02:31] oh I wish I had this on the top of my
[02:32] head but I don't I have another question
[02:34] for
[02:35] you I'm curious about her achievements
[02:37] of course parents can't abuse their kids
[02:38] but I do believe in parents rights yes
[02:39] but tell me
[02:41] this Nationwide yes of course we should
[02:44] ban critical race Theory from
[02:46] public no okay again I'm happy to that's
[02:49] backwards well hold on do you think that
[02:50] we should teach eugenics in our schools
[02:52] we do teach about Eugenics te as but we
[02:55] teach about it when we talk about teach
[02:57] it as fact about eugenics yes explain
[03:00] your question more so critical race
[03:01] theory is immoral and wrong and believes
[03:03] that certain races are not worthy of
[03:05] being treated as well critical race
[03:08] theory is about defining structures and
[03:10] right so tell me who was the original
[03:12] author since you know about it who was
[03:13] the original critical race theor in the
[03:14] 1990s name one I don't have the names on
[03:18] top of my head it's Derrick Angela Davis
[03:20] you just said that you were for par but
[03:22] you're against parents rights you're
[03:23] okay with them having a nation a
[03:25] nationwide band for a critical race and
[03:27] for on a second I do not believe that we
[03:30] should be teaching children that white
[03:31] people are bad because of the color of
[03:33] their skin I think that's fine that is
[03:36] fine as a
[03:38] belief that goes against your own belief
[03:41] in parents rights do you believe in
[03:42] small government hold on a second let me
[03:44] answer let's slow down a second parents
[03:46] rights I if a parent wants to homeschool
[03:48] their kids and teach critical race
[03:50] Theory they have the right to do that we
[03:52] should not taxpayer fund it though but
[03:54] let me ask you this question if parents
[03:55] are taxpayers and their taxpayer money
[03:58] is going to public
[04:00] that's pretty counter conservative let
[04:01] me ask you this question your candidate
[04:03] right now is not doing very well you
[04:06] agree no I don't I think it's actually
[04:07] just a neck and neck race it's going to
[04:08] be one of the margin great so why is it
[04:11] that most Americans think that Trump
[04:13] handled the economy better than Kamala
[04:15] and Biden because he inherited Obama's
[04:18] [Applause]
[04:19] [Music]
[04:20] economy because we went we went into a
[04:23] re into I'm sorry we went into inflation
[04:26] at the end of his term Joe Biden
[04:29] inherited inflation Joe Biden inherited
[04:32] his tax policies Joe Biden yeah I'm
[04:34] sorry I'm not going to teach an
[04:35] economics class right now do you believe
[04:37] in small government of course how many
[04:39] of you guys in the audience are getting
[04:40] crushed by inflation right now raise
[04:42] your hand all of us look at this all of
[04:44] us it's a global issue wait you're being
[04:46] crushed by your own vice president it's
[04:48] a global issue do you understand what do
[04:50] do people here understand what a vice
[04:52] president does what what has your Vice
[04:54] pres what what has kamla done to secure
[04:56] people understand what a vice president
[04:58] does hold on a second what does Joe
[05:01] Biden do he's the president oh so she
[05:06] has to do whatever he wants her to do
[05:08] that's what a vice president does I'm
[05:10] sorry you still haven't answered my
[05:11] question do you believe in small
[05:12] government yes you're doing a sequence
[05:13] of questions yes I do in what context
[05:15] though I believe the government should
[05:16] be small but strong small but strong
[05:18] explain that explain that so small in
[05:19] its scope strong and its enforcement it
[05:21] should have morally decare morally clear
[05:24] terms of what it does yes so you're okay
[05:26] with expanding the military as the it is
[05:27] part of the government no actually I by
[05:30] the way one of the reasons that we're
[05:31] here is because KLA Harris is a
[05:32] warmonger who wants to send hundreds of
[05:34] billions of dollars to Ukraine while our
[05:36] own border remains wide open and 320,000
[05:39] kids are missing in sex trafficking
[05:40] because of your preferred candidate
[05:42] kamla Harris are you worried about those
[05:43] 320,000 missing kids of course I'm
[05:45] worried about children however I don't
[05:46] believe that the Vice President is
[05:48] responsible for that she's in charge of
[05:49] the Border she took credit for the
[05:50] Border she's the borders are Joe Biden
[05:52] said this is this is who she she is in
[05:54] she has she was said I am in charge of
[05:56] the Border how how's she done at doing
[05:58] that by the way has she done a good job
[05:59] managing the Border I honestly disagree
[06:01] with all of the past administrations on
[06:04] their border policies personally okay
[06:05] but do you think she's done a good job
[06:07] no I don't think anybody's done a good
[06:09] job however there was a really an
[06:12] incredible very strict border bill that
[06:15] went into the Senate and was voted down
[06:17] because Donald Trump himself wanted it
[06:19] to be a voting issue no people you
[06:21] there's literally quotes there's
[06:23] literally let me ask so I don't want to
[06:25] spend too much time on this but let me
[06:26] ask you how many people would have been
[06:28] allowed to cross the border every day
[06:29] the bill tell
[06:31] me it's in the tens of thousands 5,000
[06:33] people a day it would so so that means
[06:35] I'm not against that do you believe in
[06:38] borders I do believe in borders but I'm
[06:40] not against limiting by a random number
[06:42] that's a random number do so do you so
[06:45] we need to pay attention to the context
[06:46] in which people are crossing the border
[06:47] why they're doing that context is
[06:49] important so when someone Robs a Bank if
[06:50] they're hungry that's okay say it again
[06:53] if someone is poor should they be able
[06:54] to break into America that's not at all
[06:56] what I'm insinuating no what's the
[06:58] context then I don't understand uh
[06:59] nobody's breaking into when you're
[07:01] talking about legal border crossing
[07:03] you're talking about 5,000 a day legal
[07:05] border crossing no no these are not
[07:07] these are illegal entries into the
[07:09] United States of America you know that
[07:10] there have been more arrests under this
[07:12] Administration for people crossing the
[07:13] border than there were during Donald
[07:14] Trump because there's more people coming
[07:15] across the southern border so context
[07:17] matters yeah 10 million people are
[07:19] illegally in the country let me ask one
[07:20] final question do you think kamla Harris
[07:22] did a good job managing the Russian
[07:24] Ukrainian War she went to the Munich
[07:25] security conference days before the
[07:27] invasion is she someone that you think
[07:29] is a smart person I do think she is a
[07:31] smart person that's that is a separate
[07:33] question I don't believe that the
[07:34] Ukrainian War has been handled well by
[07:36] anyone in government personally I we can
[07:39] say ey eye on
[07:42] that um what's one thing Trump did right
[07:45] as
[07:48] president I'll help you out he um did a
[07:51] lot of good things one of the things
[07:53] that he did was really boosted the
[07:56] economy of the United States disagree
[07:58] with that
[08:00] that's not true
[08:02] either no he was a part of the abam
[08:04] Accords which is the reason why Hamas
[08:06] attacked Israel on October 7th that no
[08:10] that no that that was because of his no
[08:12] his participation in creating the abrah
[08:14] talk to me just talk to me here okay I I
[08:17] can't think of a single thing that he's
[08:19] done that I would support I I disagree
[08:21] with it what what would you list the
[08:23] only thing that I that I can add there
[08:24] is you you've said that what does a vice
[08:26] president do right that she has to do
[08:28] whatever president the wants her to do
[08:31] but when she was asked just a week ago
[08:32] she was given the opportunity to maybe
[08:34] point out some differences when she was
[08:36] asked on The View what would you have
[08:38] done differently than Joe Biden and she
[08:39] said I cannot think of a single thing so
[08:42] she is responsible Joe Biden has said he
[08:45] delegated everything from domestic to
[08:47] foreign policy to her and she has been
[08:49] by his side every step of the way
[08:51] through every major decision he's made
[08:53] so she should be held accountable for a
[08:55] record that she continues to say that
[08:57] they are very proud of I I disagree with
[09:00] this held accountable stance but I
[09:02] actually I actually agree that I I
[09:03] thought that was a very poor answer I
[09:04] thought that she could have she had an
[09:06] opportunity there to bring in some of
[09:07] the voters who you know are maybe on the
[09:09] fence about her because of Joe Biden's
[09:11] policies and because of the idea this
[09:12] would be a continuation of of uh a Biden
[09:16] Administration I I really didn't
[09:17] appreciate that that opinion and I also
[09:19] don't think that she's a perfect
[09:20] candidate she's my preferred candidate
[09:22] but I don't believe she's a perfect
[09:23] candidate and so I'm I'm fully with you
[09:25] with that that was last question does it
[09:26] bother you that there was no primary
[09:29] uh no it doesn't I I no but and it's
[09:34] it's for it's for a practical reason and
[09:36] not like I would have preferred there
[09:38] have been a primary but primaries are
[09:40] very expensive I I would have preferred
[09:42] I'm not saying that I wouldn't have
[09:44] liked it I'm just saying that I'm not
[09:45] making a huge issue about it so explain
[09:47] to me how the party of democracy can
[09:49] have a candidate that no one voted for
[09:51] scar because it's within the rules it's
[09:54] literally within with the it's within
[09:56] the rules like that's we can change the
[09:58] rules later if we want R but like no one
[10:00] voted for her so how's that democracy I
[10:01] mean they did vote for her for vice
[10:03] president not in the Democrat primary
[10:05] Joe Biden runs alone in a primary
[10:07] there's no VP on list I'm also not in
[10:09] support of the two- party system I think
[10:10] the parties themselves have become
[10:11] extremely polarized I think it's created
[10:13] a polarized uh community and I think
[10:15] that the two- party system should be
[10:16] taken down they should have less power I
[10:18] actually believe in getting rid of
[10:19] primaries all together you seem like a
[10:21] smart person no I want what's your name
[10:24] what's your name I'm sorry Sophie Sophie
[10:27] you're bright thank you you're not not
[10:29] making a good political decision here
[10:31] but let me just tell you this your
[10:32] opinion you will look back and say wow
[10:35] kamla Harris is a corporate shill who
[10:37] actually does support not just the
[10:38] two-party system she supports a one
[10:40] party system she does uh let me finish
[10:42] and then we'll just call it call it even
[10:44] that she does not believe in freedom of
[10:45] speech she censors her opponent Donald
[10:47] Trump neither does Donald Trump yeah
[10:49] Donald Trump how how could you how could
[10:51] you say that who who is a Donald Trump
[10:54] ever shut
[10:55] up wait I'm sorry you think that Donald
[10:57] Trump supports freedom of speech of
[10:59] course he does he's extremely pro-israel
[11:02] and he there are 38 States right now
[11:04] that have uh anti-bds laws that is that
[11:07] is a violation of freedom of speech and
[11:08] if he were to take office I'm sure that
[11:10] he would continue those also the
[11:11] internet I'm sorry is not a utility the
[11:13] only way for freedom of speech to be
[11:14] impeached or impeded sorry is if the
[11:17] government does something but they they
[11:19] they said that those are private
[11:20] corporations do you believe that private
[11:21] private corporations should be able to
[11:23] make decisions about what they do it's a
[11:25] lot more nuanced than that like yeah so
[11:27] for example should United Airlines be
[11:29] able kick us off cuz we're we're
[11:30] Republicans now well what do you think
[11:32] that's because there's only three
[11:34] carriers and so it's more nuanced than
[11:36] that for example should AT&T should be
[11:38] able to drop your calls if you say
[11:39] you're supporting kamla if it's owned by
[11:40] a
[11:41] republican answer the question if AT&T
[11:44] finds out corporations should have the
[11:47] freedom to make any executive decisions
[11:49] that they want when it gets to scale and
[11:51] it's a monopoly it becomes more Nuance
[11:53] age on we agree on breaking up
[11:54] monopolies then yes we do I know but
[11:56] that's why it's more nuanced so all
[11:58] right we'll see who wins thank you so
[11:59] much
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