Due Dissidence Hosts Trace Charlie Kirk's Break From Israel to His Turn Toward Catholicism
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Due Dissidence Hosts Trace Charlie Kirk's Break From Israel to His Turn Toward Catholicism
The hosts of the Due Dissidence podcast dig into what they call a serious and growing break between Charlie Kirk and Israel in his final two years, including reports that he told colleagues just two days before his death that he had no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause. They walk through Candace Owens' account of her private messages with Kirk, including a screenshot he sent her charting the historical rise and fall of the phrase Judeo-Christian, and what she believes it revealed about his growing pull toward Catholicism. From there, the hosts widen the lens to a broader theory about a shared political worldview unraveling on both the left and right, an America First movement drifting away from unconditional support for Israel, and why the election of the first American pope might accelerate a religious realignment already underway inside the conservative movement.
The hosts open by stating plainly what they say is now beyond dispute: there was a real and serious break between Charlie Kirk and Israel. Kirk had long been a supporter of Israel, they explain, but that support came under increasing strain over his final two years as he grew more outspoken and critical. According to the hosts, Kirk reportedly told colleagues just two days before his death that he had no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause.
Candace Owens' Account of Charlie Kirk's Final Months
The hosts turn to commentary from Candace Owens, who has spoken publicly about her communications with Kirk in the months before he was killed. Without endorsing Owens as a commentator, they note she has described Kirk developing an increasing attraction to Catholicism and attending Catholic mass in his final months. She says Kirk texted her at one point, writing that Catholicism was looking better and better, and followed the message with a screenshot of a Google Ngram chart tracking how often the phrase Judeo-Christian has appeared in print from the 1800s to the present, with a sharp rise beginning around 1940.
The Judeo-Christian Ngram and What It Reveals
The hosts admit the screenshot initially struck many people as a strange non sequitur, but say it makes sense once you understand what Owens was implying: that Judeo-Christian is a political concept, not a purely religious or historical one, built to draw people of faith, particularly Protestants, into supporting Israel as part of a broader political project.
How Judeo-Christian Became a Political Project
Tracing the term's history, the hosts explain that its early rise around 1940 reflected a genuine movement to counter fascism and rising antisemitism, led by groups like the National Conference of Christians and Jews, which sent out ministers, rabbis, and priests to promote a shared Judeo-Christian identity. After the Holocaust, they argue, the term became tightly bound to Zionism and the idea that American Christians had a duty to support Israel as part of a larger American and Christian mission. For many evangelicals, the hosts explain, this framing tied into end-times theology: the American way of life and the gospel spreading, the Jewish people regathering in Jerusalem, and the arrival of the second coming and final judgment. In this reading, Owens was suggesting Kirk's faith had been used to draw him into that political project, but that the project itself is now in decline, mirroring the downward slope of the Ngram chart after its peak.
A Worldview Unraveling on Both Left and Right
The hosts argue what's happening with Kirk is part of something larger: an entire political and religious worldview starting to unravel on both ends of the spectrum. On the left, they say people are increasingly choosing liberal humanitarian principles over reflexive support for Zionism when confronted with the human toll of the conflict. On the right, they describe the unraveling as messier because of the deep religious dimension underpinning it, pointing to what they call chaotic infighting within Turning Point USA as evidence that questions about Israel, and the emerging Catholic-Protestant divide within the movement, are being argued out aggressively in real time. One host jokes that Candace Owens' YouTube channel has become the most compelling drama of his lifetime, unfolding live.
Was There Ever a Unipolar Moment?
The conversation shifts to whether the world is moving from a unipolar to a multipolar order. One host expresses skepticism about the framing itself, questioning how dominant American global power really was even during the 1990s. Drawing on a Gramscian-Marxist notion of hegemony, he argues that dominance was never total, top-down control, but rather a shared system of terms and norms that other nations could still use to push back. What he believes is actually collapsing isn't a fixed unipolar order, but the confidence and belief in that hegemonic way of viewing the world in the first place.
A Coming Crisis Centered on Israel
Asked what comes next, one host predicts another global crisis, with Israel at its center. He says he doesn't believe Israel can continue in its current form, and expects a new globalism to eventually take shape in its place, though he's uncertain exactly what that will look like.
Why an American Pope Could Reshape the American Right
The hosts point to the election of the first American pope as a sign of the shift already underway, noting that such an outcome would have seemed unimaginable even a year earlier. They connect it to a broader America First sentiment reasserting itself, one that increasingly separates loyalty to the American nation-state from loyalty to Israel. The hosts predict this will drive more people currently aligned with the MAGA and America First movements toward Catholicism, describing it as an improbable realignment that would have been unthinkable fifty or a hundred years ago: self-described patriotic Americans converting to Catholicism specifically because they put America first.
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