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Rebecca Watson Refuses to Mourn Charlie Kirk and Explains Why That Is an Act of Empathy
A progressive commentator named Rebecca Watson pushes back against calls to properly grieve Charlie Kirk's death, not by celebrating his murder, but by refusing to pretend that mourning him carries the same moral weight as mourning anyone else. She opens by noting she predicted more political shootings would follow the decision to redirect federal agents away from counterterrorism work, and that Kirk's killing on September 10th proved her right. Her argument rests on context: an extended collection of Kirk's own statements on race, immigration, abortion, trans issues, gun deaths, and January 6th, which she uses to make the case that refusing to mourn someone who promoted violence against marginalized people is not cruelty. It is empathy directed at those Kirk spent years targeting. She also draws a direct line between right-wing media rhetoric and real-world violence, citing Bill O'Reilly's years-long campaign against abortion provider Dr. George Tiller before his murder in 2009.
A Prediction That Proved True
Just one month before Charlie Kirk's death, Rebecca Watson made an on-camera prediction: redirecting federal agents away from counterterrorism work toward policing minor public order offenses — public drinking, sidewalk scooter riding — would lead to more political violence. On September 10th, Kirk was shot and killed by a sniper on a college campus while giving a talk. She opens the video acknowledging the prediction came true in the worst possible way.
Kirk once said on camera that gun deaths were a worthwhile cost of protecting Second Amendment rights. Rebecca raises the question of whether — if his philosophy was sincere — Kirk himself would have considered his own death an acceptable price. She notes, with dark humor, that it is now too late to ask.
The Debate Over How to Respond
Since Kirk's death, a debate has broken out over how people on the left should respond. Conservatives and moderate liberals have criticized anyone who appears to celebrate, though what counts as celebration varies widely. Rebecca identifies three things that have been labeled inappropriate: dark humor, posting memes about Kirk's record, and simply republishing his own words. Sharing Kirk's direct quotes has been enough to get people fired.
Her position: she will not be joining the performative mourning, and she will not shame others for how they choose to use their free speech in response to his death. Stating that no one should be murdered for their speech is not the same as being obligated to grieve any specific person.
Context: Kirk's Own Words
Rebecca presents an extended collection of Kirk's statements over the years as the reason she labels him a white supremacist, fascist, nationalist, racist, transphobic, and misogynistic figure who, in her view, called for violence against ideological enemies. The clips include statements where Kirk:
- Compared abortion to the Holocaust and called it worse
- Made racially charged statements about Black crime and suggested Black Americans were statistically better off under subjugation in the 1940s
- Promoted the "great replacement" theory as a deliberate anti-white agenda
- Said seeing a Black pilot would make him wonder if that person was actually qualified
- Cited Leviticus to argue that gay people should be stoned to death
- Told Taylor Swift to reject feminism and submit to her husband
- Called transgender identity a disorder requiring therapy and demanded a national ban on gender-affirming care
- Said yes when asked if he would force a 10-year-old rape victim to carry her pregnancy to term
- Called Joe Biden a corrupt tyrant who should receive the death penalty
- Stated he could not see a single instance of Israel going out of its way to kill civilians
- Encouraged conservatives to bail out the man charged in the Paul Pelosi attack
She also notes that Kirk bragged about sending dozens of buses of supporters into Washington DC to storm the Capitol on January 6th, and that he built a professor watch list to get educators fired for views he disagreed with.
Adding further weight to her argument: self-described Nazis marched through the streets of Huntington Beach after Kirk's death, chanting his name and handing Nazi recruiting pamphlets to children.
Did Kirk Actually Believe What He Said?
Rebecca says she tracked Kirk's ideological arc over many years — from libertarian to Christian nationalist. She watched him grow more overtly fascistic under pressure from the far right, particularly from Nick Fuentes and the groyper movement. She also observed him quietly pulling back on his pro-Israel positions as his own young audience began pushing back on US support for the war, a shift she said she and others flagged and were dismissed for raising.
Her conclusion: whether or not Kirk personally believed everything he said is a secondary question. He ran what she describes as the propaganda wing of the Trump administration through Turning Point USA, with the goal of radicalizing young white men. It was effective. That is why she sees no obligation to grieve him.
Refusing to Mourn Is Not the Same as Celebrating Violence
Rebecca states plainly that she finds it disgusting that a man with so little regard for human life had easy legal access to a firearm, and that the man who killed Kirk grew up around guns and was able to walk onto a college campus with one. America's gun laws, she says, are anti-human and its gun culture is stomach-churning.
But she rejects the framing that refusing to mourn Kirk equals celebrating gun violence or encouraging further attacks. She watched the footage of Kirk being shot and was horrified by it — not because of who died, but because watching any human being die triggers a visceral empathetic response. That same horror, she says, applies to Dr. George Tiller, to children killed at Sandy Hook, and to Minnesota Democratic Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark, shot by a right-wing Trump supporter just over a month before this recording.
Right-Wing Media and a History of Incitement
Rebecca draws a direct line between right-wing media rhetoric and real-world political murder. She points to Bill O'Reilly, who spent years on Fox News calling abortion provider Dr. George Tiller a "baby killer" before one of his viewers murdered Tiller in 2009 in front of his church congregation. After the killing, O'Reilly denied ever using the phrase. The media accepted it, moved on, and nothing changed.
She argues the vast majority of mass shooters are terminally online white men whose ideological profile mirrors that of Kirk, Tim Pool, and Candace Owens. Conservative claims that leftists commit the most political violence, she says flatly, are a lie.
Empathy as the Foundation of Her Position
Rebecca closes by turning the empathy charge back on her critics. She is frequently told that refusing to mourn Kirk reflects a lack of empathy. Her response: her entire position is built on empathy — for Black Americans who spent years arguing in good faith against Kirk's rhetoric telling the country's youth that they are less intelligent and less capable; for trans people whose lives were threatened by Kirk's repeated insistence that they are an abomination; for gun violence survivors who watched Kirk announce that their murdered children were an acceptable price of Second Amendment rights, and who now have to hear that their refusal to mourn Kirk makes them responsible for whatever retribution follows.
The retribution, she argues, was always the plan. They were always going to find an excuse. And mainstream voices are now helping pin that excuse on Kirk's ideological opponents — people who are simply exercising freedom of speech while they still have it.
"Just like most, if not all, of the things Charlie Kirk hated, empathy is one of the best things we humans have," she says. "And I embrace it with my entire being."
Video Transcript
Previously on this channel, just last
month, I said this. Considering the fact
that Trump is now redirecting federal
agents who, you know, might be
interested in combating terror attacks,
uh, to now patrolling the mean streets
of Washington DC, stopping people from,
I don't know, drinking in public or
riding scooters on the sidewalk, we can
expect more shootings like this,
unfortunately. Wow. I must be some kind
of psychic or just an average person
with common sense because as I'm sure
everyone knows by now on Wednesday,
September 10th, farright conservative
commentator Charlie Kirk was shot and
killed by a sniper on a college campus
while he was giving a talk. This is an
enormous tragedy because this is exactly
the sort of event that would translate
to loads of lucrative content for
Charlie Kirk were he still alive. A lot
of people are saying that it's terribly
ironic that Kirk died to gun violence
because he has long been a proponent of
gun violence, saying once,
>> "You will never live in a society when
you have an armed citizenry and you
won't have a single gun death." That is
nonsense. It's dril.
>> But I am I I think it's I think it's
worth it. I think it's worth to have a
cost of unfortunately some gun deaths
every single year so that we can have
the Second Amendment to protect our
other god-given rights. It's considered
ironic because people assumed that the
deaths he was dismissing as necessary
were those of small children trying to
learn their times tables and not well
himself. But in reality, we cannot know
what was truly in Kirk's heart. And now
it's too late to ask uh if he thinks his
own murder was worth it. Unless, of
course, the afterlife does exist and
someone has a supernatural way to summon
a demon and ask her to take a break from
peeling Charlie Kirk's skin away with a
razor blade to ask him about it. So,
it's possible that it's not ironic. It's
possible that Kirk really was happy to
die for the cause of continuing to allow
people to own guns that serve little to
no purpose besides murdering people you
don't like. So, let's give him that.
There's been a hearty debate online and
offline, I guess, over the right way for
people on the left particularly to
respond to the news of Kirk's death,
with conservatives and moderate liberals
particularly chiding anyone who
celebrates the death. Celebrate can mean
different things depending upon who is
doing the chiding. It could be dark
humor like how I opened up this video.
It could be posting memes about what an
awful person Kirk was. Or it could
simply be amplifying the horrendous
things he said. Uh just posting his own
words is enough to get someone fired. Uh
like for instance that time he said that
empathy is a madeup new age term that he
can't stand because it does a lot of
damage. It's very bad to post that
because apparently that's taken out of
context. So in the interest of fairness,
I will now play the full clip with all
of its context.
>> So let's just a little very short clip.
Bill Clinton in the 1990s, it was all
about empathy and sympathy. I can't
stand the word empathy actually. I think
empathy is a madeup new age term that is
does a lot of damage, but it is very
effective when it comes to politics.
Sympathy I prefer more than empathy.
That's a separate topic for a different
time.
>> Now, you might notice that what was
written on that meme is not what he
actually said. Um, but it doesn't mean
that the conservatives sharing that meme
are lying or hypocrites. They also might
be illiterate and we should hold space
for that. But I'll continue to be fair
and offer even more context for Kirk's
remarks in whole. Charlie Kirk was a
Nazi.
Oh no, the leftist just brands everyone
she doesn't like as a Nazi. What a jerk.
Okay, here's some more context. I say
the word Nazi because it's
shortorthhand. I do not have the time to
refer to him constantly as a white
supremacist, fascist, nationalist,
racist, transphobic, misogynistic bigot
who called for the violent murders of
his ideological enemies and provided
support for the ongoing genocide of a
marginalized group. That's pretty much
my definition of a Nazi. I think it's a
fair one, even though you may disagree.
Uh, here are some clips that support all
of those labels I just put on Charlie
Kirk.
>> You're comparing abortion to the
Holocaust.
>> Absolutely I am. In fact, it's worse.
It's worse. Were these blacks trying to
go rob her happening all the time in
urban America? Prowling blacks go around
for fun to go target white people.
That's a fact. Black crime is a major
issue in our country. Why are you
pushing criminal justice reform?
Exactly. Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and
Sheila Jackson Lee and Katangi Brown
Jackson, they're coming out and they're
saying, "I'm only here because of
affirmative action." Yeah, we know you
do not have the brain processing power
to otherwise be taken really seriously.
You had to go steal a white person's
slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
Now, the southern border is, of course,
the great replacement. They're trying to
replace us demographically. They're
trying to make the country less white.
It is an anti-white agenda. If I see a
black pilot, I'm gonna be like, "Boy, I
hope he's qualified." Taylor Swift is
now engaged to Travis Kelce. This is
something that I hope will make Taylor
Swift more conservative. Reject
feminism. Submit to your husband,
Taylor. You're not in charge. America
was at its peak when we halted
immigration for 40 years and we dropped
our foreign born percentage to its
lowest level ever. Miss Rachel, you
quote Leviticus 19. Love your neighbor
as yourself. The chapter before affirms
God's perfect law when it comes to
sexual matters. In Leviticus 18 is that
thou shalt lay with another man shall be
stoned to death. Can we get that picture
up, Ryan, of that that Marvel's Avenger
team? Now, I don't know who the person
is on the left. is the person on the
left that came and did the interview
with Joe the Tik Tok your government is
being run by freaks. It's like
immediately I have like a flashback to a
country where weren't able to do Bud
Light commercials. What What does being
trans even mean? Does it even is that
even a real thing? It means you need
therapy. We must ban transaffirming care
the entire country. I do think that
there is a direct correlation between
someone's testosterone and their
politics. On young men, the lower their
testosterone, the more likely they are
to be democratic.
>> So if you had a daughter and she was 10
and she got raped and she was going to
give birth and she would No, wait. Oh,
and she was going to give birth and she
was going to live,
>> would you want her to go through that
and carry her baby? That's awfully
graphic. The answer
>> it's No, but it's a real life scenario
that happens to many people.
>> The answer is yes. the baby would be
delivered. When blacks in America did
not have the same rights they had today,
there were less they were less
murderous. There was less break-ins. Why
is that?
>> So, I'm sorry. Are you trying to say
that blacks thrive under subjugation?
>> No, I'm not. I'm saying they I'm asking
you the question. The data shows they
were actually better in the 1940s. It
was bad. It was evil. But what happened?
Something changed.
>> I'm done talking about Epstein for the
time being. I'm going to trust my
friends the administration. Joe Biden is
a bumbling
dementia fililled Alzheimer's corrupt
tyrant who should honestly be put in
prison andor given the death penalty for
his crimes against America. For example,
Politico says top Republicans reject any
link between GOP rhetoric and Paul
Pelosi assault.
Of course, you should reject any link.
Why is the Republican party, why is the
conservative movement to blame
for gay schizophrenic nudists that are
hemp jewelry makers
breaking into somebody's home or maybe
not breaking into somebody's home? Why
are we to blame for that? Exactly. And
why is he still in jail? Why has he not
been bailed out? By the way, if some if
some amazing patriot out there in San
Francisco or the Bay Area wants to
really be a midterm hero, someone should
go and bail this guy out. I bet his bail
is like 30 or 40,000 bucks. Bail him out
and then go ask him some questions. I
can't see a single instance of Israel
going out of its way to kill civilians.
>> You don't see a single instance of what?
>> Israel going out of its way to
civilians. I see Israel going out of its
way.
>> So, you don't believe what they've done
is genocide? No, of course not.
>> I'll throw in a few extra fun facts.
Charlie Kirk bragged about sending
dozens of buses full of patriots into DC
to storm the capital on January 6th. Um,
he also created a professor watch list
with the names of instructors who said
things he disagreed with in order to get
them fired or worse. Still don't think
he was a Nazi? Well, it's not just my
opinion. And it's also the opinion of
these self-described Nazis who took to
the streets of Huntington Beach last
week to chant, "Say his name, Charlie
Kirk," and hand out Nazi recruiting
pamphlets to children.
>> Charlie,
>> the left,
>> unite for the left.
>> Unite the right.
>> Nationalist.
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There can be no negotiation
with irrational satanic hatred.
>> Any illusion that peace can be made with
the radical left was shattered. Charlie
Kirk because he loved Jesus Christ.
>> They killed Charlie Kirk
>> because he proclaimed that Christ is
king. God bless
Antifa.
>> [ __ ] Antifa. [ __ ] deflie
>> deflie.
Say his word. Charlie
[Applause]
winner.
So there there's the context to
reference my opening point. Did Charlie
Kirk truly believe all the vile things
he said? I've been watching him and
commenting upon him for many years, and
I've seen him move from libertarian with
a capital L to Christian nationalist. I
saw him get more openly fascistic when
Nick Fuentes and his griper army started
criticizing him from the furthest end of
the right wing. And I recently saw him
even start to realize that even his own
brainwashed audience was pushing back on
the Israeli genocide due to the obvious
horror they were witnessing or the
abject anti-semitism they already had.
Who knows? Uh so he was talking about it
less. No young person, no per no person
under 30 in America supports Israel.
They just don't. Look at the polls.
Doesn't matter whether you're a
conservative or not. Like virtually none
of them. And that was Charlie's
constituency. And Charlie was hearing
from those people that they were not
into this and they really weren't into
our support for the war in Iran and
bombing Iran and all that. And he was
trying to find a way of bringing that to
President Trump and bringing that to his
donors and to everybody else to say,
"Hey, you know, you might be losing some
support here." I said the same. and both
of us got treated like we are Medi
Hassan and we were annoyed. We were both
annoyed by that.
>> Um I don't think it's a mere coincidence
that over the years his views have
always changed in a way that his
right-wing audience rewarded with money
and views. But in the end, it doesn't
really matter if he truly believed all
the Nazi talking points. He ran the
propaganda wing of the Trump
administration. That's why Trump loved
him so much. Um, he had the primary goal
and his organization Talking Points had
the primary goal of radicalizing young
white men into the fascist hate machine.
And it was very effective. For these
reasons, I do not see why it's necessary
to join the conservatives in the
performative grieving of Charlie Kirk.
It's fine to state outright that we
should never murder someone for their
speech. Personally, I think it's
absolutely disgusting that a man was a
man with so little respect for human
life, particularly was able to own a gun
capable of taking a human life, uh much
less to then be able to carry it onto a
college campus and kill someone with it.
America's gun laws are completely
anti-human and America's gun culture is
stomach churning. Um, the suspect is in
custody and you can see loads of
pictures that his family has posted of
him with guns, smiling at guns,
practicing with guns. He grew up around
guns and he had easy access to a gun
that was able to brutally murder a
person. And I think all of that is
disgusting. But that's not enough for a
lot of conservatives and libs online,
particularly my fellow cis white people
who are insisting that we not just
condemn gun violence, but also that we
should feel bad about Charlie Kirk's
death. because uh according to one meme
I saw shared by friends, his life
mattered no more and no less than any
other life lost. Which is a nice idea
that literally no human actually
believes. Like I'm sure that you believe
that you believe it, but um you don't
because I'm pretty sure that if someone
showed you those clips of Charlie Kirk
being an open white nationalist violent
bigot and then Sophie's choiced you uh
and you had to choose to kill Charlie
Kirk or say a random six-year-old in
school, I think you'd know immediately
who to pick. You know, I'm a humanist
who does believe that humanity is
ultimately good and that people can
change and that we deserve to make this
a better planet for everyone on it. But
I also believe that a Nazis life is
worth less than other lives, any other
lives, to be honest. And I've made that
decision because Nazis first made the
decision to place little to no value on
the lives of marginalized people because
of traits they cannot control. people of
color, uh, immigrants, LGBTQ people,
women. It's the paradox of intolerance.
We cannot tolerate people who will use
that tolerance to enact statewide
intolerance. I will not be mourning
someone who died violently encouraging
the violent deaths of marginalized
people. And I refuse to accept the
dishonest framing that refusing to mourn
the death of a Nazi is equivalent to
celebrating the use of a gun to murder
someone or the even more ridiculous idea
that it's akin to encouraging further
violence. It isn't. Right-wing
terrorists have been murdering people on
the left for decades now, actively
encouraged by the right-wing media. For
years, Bill O'Reilly went on Fox News
and told his huge audience that George
Tiller was a baby killer for providing
women with necessary health care before
eventually one of his fans finally
succeeded in murdering Tiller in 2009.
That was after other people made
attempts and Bill O'Reilly kept
encouraging them. That served as a real
wakeup call for conservative pundits.
They realized the power they have over
unthinking bigots in their audience. And
so they doubled down with O'Reilly
himself straight up lying, claiming he
never even called Tiller a baby killer
and that anyway everything he said was
true and the whole world just accepted
it and moved on. And now the vast
majority of mass shooters is revealed to
be terminally online white men with easy
access to guns and an internet history
that shows bigotry that precisely
mirrors that of Charlie Kirk and Tim P
and Candace Owens. Are there outliers
here and there, people of other
identities? Yes. But the vast majority
are right-wing idologues who have these
violent thoughts and tendencies and act
them out. And yeah, I know I've seen the
memes on the conservative side where
they're claiming it's actually leftists
who do most of the violence. It's just a
straightup lie. They're telling you that
the sky is green. It's ridiculous.
Is my refusal to mourn Charlie Kirk a
lack of empathy, as many liberals have
told me in the past week? No. I watched
the close-up video of Kirk being shot.
Uh, and despite the fact that I loathe
him and his views, and despite the fact
that he had literally in the clip just
downplayed domestic terrorism as
misidentified gang violence in a racist
dog whistle, I was horrified at that
video. If you haven't seen it, I have to
tell you, do not seek it out. It's It's
horrible. I had a visceral empathetic
reaction. It was empathy for seeing
another human being die horribly and
pointlessly in a way that no human
should. But it was not empathy for one
Nazi that the planet is better off
without. So much gun violence actually
goes unseen. and seeing it happen right
there in high death instantly
brought to mind all of those brutal
murders that we haven't seen. Like the
that's what it looked like when somebody
gunned down George Tiller in front of
his church congregation. That's what it
looked like when a bullet tore through
the body of 7-year-old Daniel Ban of
Sandy Hook Elementary. That's how it
probably looked when just over a month
ago, a right-wing Trump fan gunned down
Minnesota Democratic Representative
Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark.
All of these people who no one on the
right cares about because their violent
deaths weren't convenient excuses for
them to further the agenda that they've
been steadily advancing all these years.
to install a fascist strongman who will
brutally repress, deport, and kill the
liberals and progressives who have been
standing in the way of their great white
Christian paradise. My lack of mourning
for Charlie Kirk al along with my uh
lack of interest in shaming anyone else
for how they choose to use their own
free speech to uh react to Charlie
Kirk's murder is in fact due to an
abundance of empathy. empathy for the
black people who have had to argue in
good faith with Charlie Kirk's bad faith
rhetoric that tells the country's youth
that black people are less intelligent,
less able, less deserving. I have
empathy for the trans people who have
had their lives threatened because
Charlie Kirk's insistence that they are
an abomination and a throbbing middle
finger to God. It's empathy for the
still living victims of gun violence who
not only had to lose their children,
their siblings, their friends, who not
only had to then watch as an entire
country did nothing to prevent it from
happening again, but who then had to see
Charlie Kirk announce that those murders
were just an unfortunate cracked
eggshell in the great omelette that is
America. Something apparently the rest
of us just need to accept. And even
worse, they now have to hear about how
by not properly mourning Charlie Kirk's
murder, they're the ones who bear
responsibility for the far right and the
Trump administration's coming
retribution. Violence that, again, to be
clear, was always in the works. It was
always the plan. They were always going
to find some excuse. And now many
mainstream voices are helping them pin
that excuse on Charlie Kirk's
ideological opponents who are simply
exercising their freedom of speech while
they still have it. So yeah, the reason
why I feel abject disgust for Charlie
Kirk and his viewpoints and I have no
interest in hiding that disgust even
though he has been horrifically
murdered.
That's empathy.
And just like most, if not all of the
things Charlie Kirk hated, empathy is
one of the best things we humans have.
And I embrace it with my entire being.
And that's why I can say that this kind
of terroristic gun violence is
unacceptable. And also, Charlie Kirk
made the world a worse place for
everyone in it, including himself.
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