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Max Blumenthal Exposes High-Level Pressure Campaign From Zionist Donors Against Charlie Kirk
Max Blumenthal reveals the intense pressure campaign from Netanyahu's allies and Zionist donors against Charlie Kirk in the final days of his life. Kirk faced daily management from Israeli-funded operatives, had donors pull millions in funding, and was attacked by Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, and Laura Loomer after resisting talking points fed to him on Zoom calls. While Blumenthal states there's no evidence Israel assassinated Kirk, he documents how Kirk was caught between young conservative activists drifting from Israel-first politics and wealthy donors demanding absolute loyalty to Netanyahu's agenda. The pressure was so intense that Kirk complained publicly, and Netanyahu felt compelled to deny involvement in Kirk's death twice.
The Pressure Campaign Against Charlie Kirk
Max Blumenthal has conducted some of the most detailed journalism in America examining the circumstances surrounding Charlie Kirk's death and the intense pressure he faced from Zionist donors in his final weeks. While Blumenthal explicitly states he has no evidence that Israel assassinated Kirk, he documents a coordinated political attack that was already underway against the Turning Point USA founder.
The attacks came from multiple directions. Ben Shapiro was attacking him. Mark Levin was attacking him. Laura Loomer, who was making personnel and policy decisions inside the White House, was attacking him. Kirk was complaining about these attacks publicly, revealing the strain he was under from Netanyahu's media cutouts.
Major Donors Withdrawing Support
Blumenthal's investigation revealed that Robert Schillman, identified as the key funder of the Islamophobia industry in the United States and the most anti-Palestinian organizations across the Atlantic, had defunded Kirk. Schillman, who reportedly donated over $6 million to Turning Point USA, cancelled a plaque that was going to be erected honoring him inside TPUSA's office complex in Phoenix.
Tucker Carlson confirmed similar dynamics, stating that Kirk lost a $2 million donation just two days before his death because he had publicly pledged to bring Tucker to the next Turning Point conference in December. The donors who were offended went after Kirk and tormented him, according to Carlson, with a small but very intense group tormenting him until the day he died.
Daily Management by Israeli Operatives
Perhaps most revealing, Blumenthal discovered that Kirk was being managed on a daily level by a right-wing Israeli government-funded rabbi in Israel from the United States named Pesach Wolicki. Kirk had to call into small Zoom sessions with Bill Ackman, Shaun Maguire (a venture capitalist from Sequoia Capital described as fanatically anti-Palestinian), and Josh Hammer, who serves as one of Netanyahu's key voices in the media and is editor at large at Newsweek.
These operatives were explicitly feeding Kirk talking points and telling him what to say because they were afraid of what was going to take place on his upcoming campus tour which began September 10th at Utah Valley University. Wolicki said that Kirk was pushing back on many of the things they were telling him to say, that he had fallen under the influence of the media and of people close to him who were pushing him in another direction, likely referring to people like Tucker Carlson.
The Hamptons Summit Confrontation
One account has Kirk at a summit in the Hamptons holding up his phone and drafting out a text that said Benjamin Netanyahu should resign, asking the group in frustration what would be immoral about sending this text right now. This moment captured Kirk's resistance to the pressure being applied by his Zionist donors.
The donors were so concerned about Kirk's independence that they were trying to make a WhatsApp group with him so he would be fed talking points minute by minute. This is not something you do with someone you feel comfortable with as an Israel advocate. They were not able to get access to him just through personal rapport. It wasn't clear that Kirk particularly liked them. They were just kicking down a lot of money to his organization and holding money over his head.
Kirk's Resistance to Iran War Plans
The pressure on Kirk seemed to coincide with the middle of July when he went on record pleading with Donald Trump not to bomb Iran and not to start a regime change operation with Iran. Implicit in that was the idea that Trump couldn't be misled and steered in this direction by the same neocons that got the United States into disaster foreign policy blunders throughout time.
Why People Believe Israel Was Involved
Blumenthal compared the situation to the plot of the early 1990s book The Firm, which was made into a film starring Tom Cruise, where if you join a firm and try to leave, you will be eliminated. While he has no evidence that Israel eliminated Kirk, the theory developed online for understandable reasons.
Netanyahu is at the helm of what Blumenthal calls a historically unparalleled global assassination apparatus that even weaponizes household communication goods to kill people, referring to pagers. Wikipedia documents thousands of Israeli assassinations broken down by decade, more than any other country. Even compared to the United States, which has only several dozen documented, Israel's list is extensive and recent, ending with assassinations in Doha.
The theory exploded online to the point where Netanyahu has had to come out twice and deny assassinating Kirk. Once he did so of his own volition, not even being asked during an interview, deciding to make a video on his personal channel denying killing Kirk. This is unprecedented—a foreign leader denying killing an American public figure.
Netanyahu's Unique Influence Over America
It could only be Netanyahu because no other foreign leader enjoys that level of influence over not just American politics but over American life itself, over American entertainment, over American finance. Netanyahu is described as the embodiment of Zionist occupied territory, which is why he felt compelled to deny involvement.
Blumenthal's theory is that for once Netanyahu was innocent and he just wanted everyone to know. But the takeaway is that his investigative reporting has given the conservative grassroots, which has been sick of being bossed around by the cutouts of a foreign country that happens to be an occupying genocidal entity, a voice. They are more emboldened to speak out now, and this rebellion in the conservative grassroots is only going to grow.
Why This Matters for Netanyahu
There are two reasons why this is such a problem for Netanyahu and why they are throwing so much money at this particular constituency and demographic in the United States. One is obviously because Trump is president, and in order to influence the president, they need to keep his base on side.
The other reason, which is more of a long-term problem, is that Israel needs white Christian conservative men, who increasingly make up a disproportionate portion of the enlisted military ranks as well as military leadership. They need them to fight their wars. They have to go to war for Israel. They have to go fight Iran. And if the next round of conflict with Iran doesn't go well, Netanyahu wants a ground war with US boots on the ground.
The Closing Window of Opportunity
There is desperation from the Israel-first lobby and the Israel lobby in general because they see their opportunity window closing. In ten years, the demographics are not shifting in their favor. Younger people's sensibilities regarding this issue differ from their parents and grandparents who were more supportive of Israel generally speaking.
Younger people are not buying this whole Israel-first mentality wholesale anymore. The lobby may have a ten-year window to consummate the Greater Israel project—expanding Israel's borders, completely eliminating the Palestinians through ethnic cleansing, and disrupting and destabilizing the Iranian regime, who they view as their top rival.
Regime change in Iran is Netanyahu's endgame, the ultimate goal of Netanyahu and everyone who will come in his wake. This is a significant moment, a turning point in the USA, where not only the traditional bases of opposition to Israeli apartheid and Israeli control are more mobilized than ever, but a rebellion is taking place within the traditional base of pro-Israel support. It's growing and accelerating.
The Battle Within Conservative Ranks
The last bastion of devout, fervent, ardent support for Israel is being diminished on the right. Though it may not seem that way politically with Trump in power as a Israel-first leader, the on-the-ground activists and populist forces are seeing this for what it is: foreign influence over the government.
When you use the tagline and slogan America First, it looks even worse when you defer all political capital to a country you're supporting financially to the tune of $20 billion last year. Previous years saw $4 billion. You're basically being drawn into wars and entangling alliances and inheriting all of the enemies of Israel for no reason whatsoever for the United States.
The taxpayer doesn't benefit from that one bit. Quite to the contrary, it ends up with debt and encourages inflation, with the central bank printing new currency and imposing an invisible tax upon all wealth holdings.
A Small-Scale Civil War in the Conservative Movement
If you follow the conservative movement closely enough, especially at the grassroots level, you can see that a small-scale civil war is playing out over this issue. Whether or not you think Israel had a hand in Kirk's murder, this is a story worth talking about. It's emblematic of the pressures being put upon high-profile influencers on the right.
A young, sharp person like Kirk was heavily influenced by his donors. Weighing the pressures he had from both activists and donors while trying to produce, encourage, and expand his organization was no easy feat. If the pressures on Kirk were this intense in the last few weeks of his life, which Blumenthal's journalism demonstrates they were, you can see how the pressures on elected politicians are that much more fierce.
The influences on the bureaucracy and the president are even stronger. The president was bought off by Miriam Adelson for $100 million, and she got to basically call the shots about who was going to be in his cabinet: Marco Rubio, Mike Huckabee, and Mike Waltz—Israel-firsters to the core. That was the biggest litmus test for anyone in Trump's cabinet: How pro-Israel were they? RFK and Tulsi Gabbard were very pro-Israel too.
That's what you get from a Zionist-occupied government where AIPAC and the Israel lobby have such unprecedented control and influence over the government, and you saw that pan out when it comes to the Charlie Kirk story.
Video Transcript
Charlie Kirk was leaving the firm.
Israel has the ability to kill people
anywhere. They weren't being told the
truth. And that just exploded online to
the point where Netanyahu has had to
come out twice and deny assassinating
Charlie Kirk. But they were moving
towards an attack, a political attack on
him. It was already playing out through
Netanyahu's cutouts in the media.
Max Blumenthal just explained why so
many people believe that Israel
assassinated Charlie Kirk. And in this
clip, he gets into whether he thinks
that's a plausible theory, why so many
people have clung to it, and the
highlevel pressure campaign from
Charlie's Zionist donors in the last
days of his life. Max has done the best
journalism in America on this story. So,
let's get his take. Please like the
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It kind of reminds me of the plot of
this uh early 90s pulp book uh the firm
which was made into a film starring Tom
Cruz where like if you join a firm you
basically if you try to leave uh you
will be eliminated.
Do I think Charlie Kirk was eliminated
by Israel? I have no evidence of that.
But they were moving towards
uh an attack a political attack on him.
It was already playing out through
Netanyahu's cutouts in the media. Ben
Shapiro was attacking him. Mark Levvin
was attacking him. Laura Loomer was
attacking him. I mean, this is someone
who's making personnel and policy
decisions inside the White House. It was
already playing out and he was
complaining about it in public.
So, then that's more the Israeli MO. And
I learned in my which I learned
subsequent to my second the second part
of my investigation that Robert
Schillman who is the key funer of the
Islamophobia industry in the US as well
as the most anti-Palestinian
organizations across the Atlantic. He's
also funding the anti-Islam hooligan
Tommy Robinson who's leading a race war
in the UK. He funds Geilders, the Dutch
politician who's called to ban the
Quran. and he's funded Laura Loomer and
Bob Schillman defunds him. I mean, this
was a guy who I'd heard he donated like
over $6 million to TPUSA.
He cancelled, according to sources, a
plaque that was going to be erected
honoring him inside TPUSA's office
complex in Phoenix.
Yeah, it does seem like there was
disdain from the most fierce and rigid
Zionist donors toward Charlie Kirk in
the last days of his life. That seems to
be true. We've talked about Laura Loomer
having bad things to say about him. Some
bad things were said about him from Ben
Shapiro. This seemed to me to coincide
with the middle of July when some of
these statements were made because
Charlie Kirk was on the record and this
was reported that he went to Donald
Trump and pleaded with him not to bomb
Iran, not to start a regime change
operation with Iran. And implicit with
that was the idea that you can't be
misled and steered in this direction by
the same neocons that got us into
disaster foreign policy blunders
throughout time. Also, what Max is
saying does also align with what Tucker
Carlson has said about donations that
were pulled from Charlie Kirk with
Tucker here saying that a $2 million
donor, you know, just decided not to
continue donating. It's unclear to me
whether that was Robert Schillman who
Max reported on rightly so, but let's
see what he had to say here. Um, he was
dependent to a great extent on his
donors. Of course, it's a nonprofit and
they went after him and tormented him.
Not all, of course, many were
supportive, but uh the ones who were
offended by my speech, and there was a a
small, very intense group who were
tormented Charlie Kirk until the day he
died. Two days before he died, he lost a
$2 million donation because he had
publicly pledged to bring me to the next
Turning Point conference in December.
>> Yeah. So you can see, you know, he
wasn't exactly inviting the same
speakers that guys like Ben Shapiro and
Robert Shelman and Bill Aman wanted him
to have and that might have proven, you
know, a fatal mistake on his part. You
know, if he didn't die this way, I think
that there was a method, a strategy
being pushed to minimize his political
effectiveness in the future. Max has
done great reporting on it. So, I also
learned that Charlie Kirk was being
managed on a daily level by a
right-wing Israeli funded, government-f
funed rabbi in Israel from the US named
Peswa Licki. And there were these small
Zoom sessions that Charlie Kirk had to
call into
with Bill Aman, a venture capitalist,
fanatically anti-Palestinian venture
capitalist from Sequoia Capital named
Shawn Maguire, and Joshua Hammer, who's
one of Netanyahu's key voices in the
media and his editor at large at
Newsweek. He's the guy who debated Dave
Smith at TPUSA for Israel. And they were
basically they were not basically they
were explicitly feeding him talking
points and telling him what to say
because they were afraid of what was
going to take place on his upcoming
campus tour which began September 10th
at Utah Valley University. and Pesahi,
his self-appointed Zionist manager, said
that Charlie Kirk was pushing back on a
lot of the things they were telling him
to say, that he had fallen under the
influence of the media and of people
close to him who were pushing him in
another direction, which probably refers
to people like Tucker Carlson.
Yeah. One account even has Charlie Kirk
at this summit in the Hamptons holding
up his phone and drafting out a text
that said, you know, Benjamin Netanyahu
should resign and asking the group in
frustration like what would be immoral
about sending this text right now given
the animosity toward Netanyahu,
rightfully so in my mind, for the
genocide, for undue influence over the
US political system, dragging the US
into a war with Iran and by the way
doing that with Libya and Syria too and
at least
Iraq partially. So, lots of complicit
neocons in the US, too. But, you know,
Max detailed this in his awesome article
where he talks about Netanyahu's
functionaries managing Kirk on an almost
daily basis, making him go to these Zoom
calls. You can't really force him,
right? But these are high-V value
donors. Schillman and Aman certainly
were and they were trying to drag him
back to the diehard died in the wool
zealous neocon of the kind that Ben
Shapiro and Mark Levvin are. You know he
was putting up some resistance to that
despite defending Israel. You know he
did say a lot of things about you know
the fact that in his mind there was no
genocide in Israel. There was no
deliberate starvation that kind of
contravenes a lot of what we know about
it. And then he would go on rants about
how, you know, it's not anti-semitism
just to criticize the government of
Israel. So he was in a rock in a hard
place dealing with young conservative
activists, a lot of which are going away
and drifting away from the Israel first
mentality and trying to manage at the
same time these wealthy Zionist donors
that want him defending Israel at all
costs no matter what the issue is and no
matter how much bloodshed there is. And
they so they were deeply concerned and
they were trying to make a WhatsApp
group with him so he would be fed
talking points minute by minute. I mean
that's not something you do to someone
who you feel comfortable with as an
Israel advocate. And they're not be
they're not able to get access to him
just through the personal bonomi. It
wasn't clear that Charlie Kirk
particularly liked them. They were just
kicking down a lot of money to his
organization and holding money over his
head. So, he's killed on September 10th
at this event under very strange
circumstances.
Anyone who's extremely online
is not believing the official story. And
it's increasingly unclear what the
official story is when the FBI director
himself says they're exploring different
angles
uh that the sniper might have taken as
well as multiple accompllices
and a con a a theory develops online.
I was not responsible for it. In my
first installment of this investigative
series, I said explicitly there's no
evidence the Israeli government played a
role in Charlie Kirk's killing. I called
it an unsubstantiated theory, but others
just ran with it. And it sort of seemed
to make sense for them considering that
Netanyahu is at the helm of an a a
historically unparalleled global
assassination apparatus that even
weaponizes household communication goods
to kill people referring to pagers.
So for them it sort of seemed to add up.
>> Yeah. And guess what? I can't really
hold that against them based on Israel's
track record to think about this
possibility even if you don't embrace
it. And I'm like Max. I have no evidence
that Israel did this. But take a look at
this. This is just what Wikipedia has in
terms of a list of Israeli
assassinations. It's more than any other
country. Even the US. If you compare
this to say the US, there's only several
dozen. That's not to say that the US
didn't assassinate many more people, but
this is just what's documented online.
You have this broken down by decade of
Israeli assassinations. And I can't even
scroll fast enough to capture this in
one video clip. There's thousands of
targeted assassinations that Israel is
documented to have done. If I drag the
all the way the cursor down, it ends in
the recent assassinations in Doha. So,
you know, Max was right when he said
that this is a historically
unprecedented mass murder apparatus, and
that's just the truth. So, you know,
it's not it it behooves people to look
into these things, and I can't exactly
blame them for at least entertaining the
thought for a moment, even if you don't
fullore embrace it.
>> Charlie Kirk was leaving the firm.
Israel has the ability to kill people
anywhere. They weren't being told the
truth. And that just exploded online to
the point where Netanyahu has had to
come out twice and deny assassinating
Charlie Kirk. Once out of his own
valition, like he wasn't even asked
during an interview, he decided to make
a video on his personal channel denying
Charlie Kirk. I've never seen this
happen where a foreign leader is denying
killing an American public figure. And
it could only be Netanyahu because no
other foreign leader enjoys that level
of influence over not just American
politics but over American life itself,
over American entertainment, over
American finance.
That's exactly right. And by the way,
the theory that a lot of Zionists are
going with is if you think this is weird
that Netanyahu is denying killing
Charlie Kirk twice, that just means
you're an anti-semite.
That's what I hear. And it's so
preposterous, just like any criticism of
Israel means you're an anti-semite,
according to devout Zionists like
Netanyahu.
>> Netanyahu is the embodiment of Zionist
occupied territory.
So he came out and felt compelled to
deny it. My theory is for once Netanyahu
was innocent and he just wanted everyone
to know. But
who knows? The the takeaway is that
my investigative reporting on this has
given the conservative grassroots that
has been sick of being bossed around by
the cutouts of a foreign country, one
that happens to be an occupying
genocidal entity. Uh that it's given
them a voice and they're more emboldened
to speak out now.
And this rebellion in the conservative
grassroots is only going to grow. And
why is this such a problem for Netanyahu
and why are they throwing so much money
at this particular constituency and
demographic in the US? There are two
reasons. One obviously because Trump is
president. And so in order to influence
the president, they need to keep his
base on side. The other reason, which is
more of a long-term problem, is that
Israel needs white Christian
conservative men who increasingly make
up a disproportionate
uh portion of the enlisted military
ranks as well as military leadership
needs them to fight their wars.
They have to go to war for Israel. They
have to go fight Iran. And if the war,
the next round of conflict with Iran
doesn't go so well,
Netanyahu wants a ground war with US
boots on the ground.
>> Yeah, he surely does. He's one of that
regime change operations since I was a
wee young lad talking about the
propaganda that, you know, they're
seconds away from acquiring a nuke. He's
done that for something like 30 years.
And that's exactly the case. I think Max
is getting at something real here. But I
would add to this. I think there's such
a desperation from the Israel first
lobby and the Israel lobby in general
because they see their opportunity
window closing. In 10 years, the
demographics are not shifting in their
favor in terms of younger people and
their sensibilities regarding this
issue. How they view Israel compared to
their parents and their parents' parents
who are more supportive of Israel
generally speaking. There are exceptions
of course. Many people listen to this
channel and our exceptions. I give you
credit. But younger people are not
buying this whole Israel first mentality
wholesale anymore. They think they might
have like a 10-year window to kind of
consummate the Greater Israel project,
expanding Israel's borders, completely
eliminating the Palestinians through
this ex ethnic cleansing campaign,
disrupting and destabilizing the Iranian
regime, who they think is like their top
rival. And you know they tried to get
the US into a regime change operation
over where that seemed to be on the
table. Israel called leading generals
and tried to threaten them to you know
abandon ship and or else their families
would be killed. They immediately bombed
non-nuclear sites. They bombed
residential sites holding you know
highranking officials of that regime. So
this is on the table and it's not going
to go away. the only way he believes
regime change can take place in Iran and
that is his endgame. That is the
ultimate endgame of Netanyahu and
everyone who will come in his wake. So
this is such a significant pivotal
moment. I guess you could call it a
turning point in the USA
where not only the traditional bases of
opposition to Israeli apartheid and
Israeli control are more mobilized than
ever, but a rebellion is taking place
within the traditional base of
pro-Israel support and it's not it's
it's only growing and accelerating.
>> Yeah, I think that's the case. And
that's the case in the last bastion of
pure blood Israel support. Pure blood
may be the word the not the correct term
there, but devout support, fervent
support, ardent support for Israel. It's
being diminished on the right. I know it
doesn't seem like that politically.
Trump's in power. He's a diehard Israel
first, but the on the ground activists
and populist forces are seeing this for
what it is, and that's foreign influence
over our government. And when you're
going to use the tagline and slogan
America first, that looks even worse for
you when you just defer all political
capital to this country that you're
supporting financially to the tune of
$20 billion last year. In previous
years, it was 4 billion each and you're
basically being drawn into wars and
entangling alliances and inheriting all
of the enemies of Israel for what? For
no reason whatsoever for the United
States. the taxpayer doesn't benefit
from that one bit. Quite to the
contrary, it ends up with debt and
encourages inflation. The central bank
just printing new currency and imposing
the invisible tax upon all of us, upon
all of our wealth holdings. But if you
follow the conservative movement closely
enough, especially at the grassroots
level, you can see that a smallcale
civil war is playing out over this
issue. And it does seem like this is a
story whether or not you think Israel
had a hand in Kirk's murder that is
worth talking about. It's emblematic
about the pressures that are being put
upon these high-profile influencers on
the right. young person that that was
very sharp like Charlie Kerr, but very
influenced by his donors and weighing
the pressures that he had both from
activists and donors and trying to
produce and and encourage and expand his
organization was no easy feat. And you
can see how if the pressures on Charlie
were this hardcore in the last few weeks
of his life, which I believe they were.
I think that Max's journalism is superb.
You can see how the pressures on our
elected politicians are that much more
fierce and the influences on the
bureaucracy and the president where the
president was bought off by Miriam
Adlesen for $100 million and she got to
basically call the shots about who was
going to be in his cabinet. You know,
Marco Rubio and Mike Huckabe and Mike
Waltz. What do you know? You know,
Israel firsters to the core. In fact,
that was the biggest litmus test for
anyone in Trump's cabinet. How
pro-Israel were they? RFK and Tulsi
Gabbard were very pro-Israel too. So
that's what you get from this Zionist
occupied government where APEC in the
Israel lobby has such unprecedented
control and influence over our
government and you saw that pan out when
it comes to the Charlie Kirk story. But
I do want to hear from you. Let me know
down below. Do you agree with Max
Blumenthal that, you know, though
there's no evidence that Israel had a
hand in his killing, this is at least a
story worth discussing and it really
shows the corruption involved in the US
political system. Let me know in the
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