Max Blumenthal Reveals Charlie Kirk's Final Text Messages Showed Fury at Israeli Lobby Pressure

[00:00] We continue to cover the

[00:04] Charlie Kirk saga. As my reporting for

[00:08] the Greyzone continues to be confirmed

[00:11] by new revelations of private

[00:14] discussions that Charlie Kirk was

[00:17] holding days before his death with a

[00:20] codery of Netanyahu cutouts,

[00:25] Israel first fanatics who were lobbying

[00:28] him constantly and attempting to push

[00:30] talking points on him before his tour

[00:33] began.

[00:35] I don't know if you want to intro this,

[00:36] Aaron, or you want me to.

[00:38] >> It's your story. Go ahead.

[00:42] >> Well,

[00:44] I had produced a threepart investigative

[00:48] series on this, starting with Charlie

[00:50] Kirk beginning to loathe Netanyahu,

[00:53] feeling like he was being manipulated.

[00:54] The ter the term bullying was given to

[00:58] me by a longtime friend of Charlie Kirk.

[01:01] He felt like he was being bullied. He

[01:03] felt like he was being blackmailed to a

[01:06] degree. It was moral blackmail, the term

[01:09] that he was actually using.

[01:12] But that opened up this saga. The second

[01:14] piece was about the Secret Hampton's

[01:16] influencer summit where we started to

[01:18] learn about who was lobbying Charlie

[01:21] Kirk, how he was constantly being held

[01:24] up on Zoom calls, WhatsApp groups, text

[01:28] exchanges with a group of 10 or so what

[01:32] I would call Netanyahu cutouts in the

[01:34] US, including Josh Hammer, Shawn

[01:36] Maguire, Bill Aman was one of them at

[01:38] certain intervals and a rabbi formerly

[01:42] American now in Israel settler rabbi

[01:45] named Pesah Aliki who runs the Israel

[01:48] influencer programs and propaganda tours

[01:50] for conservative influencers called

[01:52] Israel 365 Action and they were just on

[01:55] his back constantly. And then in my

[01:57] third piece, I reported that Robert

[01:59] Schillman, one of the most prolific

[02:01] anti-Islam sugar daddies across the

[02:04] West, a Israel first fanatic who funds

[02:08] Friends of the IDF, has funded Tommy

[02:10] Robinson, Flora Loomer at times in her

[02:13] career, and was a major funer of TPUSA,

[02:17] who helped basically

[02:20] fuel Charlie Kirk's career since a young

[02:22] age, had bailed on him because he was

[02:24] going to host Tucker Carlson at a TPUSA

[02:27] event.

[02:28] And now, thanks to Candace Owens, former

[02:33] TPUSA employee, longtime friend of

[02:37] Charlie Kirk, we now know that Charlie

[02:42] Kirk was more angry about the way he was

[02:44] being treated by those he referred to as

[02:46] Jewish donors than we even understood

[02:48] from text messages that she revealed on

[02:52] her last live stream. And she really

[02:55] dropped the bomb right here.

[02:59] Add to stage what's happening.

[03:02] >> Try one more time.

[03:05] >> So Charlie writes in this group chat,

[03:07] "Just lost another huge Jewish donor. Uh

[03:11] 2 million a year because we won't cancel

[03:14] Tucker. I'm thinking of inviting

[03:16] Candace." Somebody writes.

[03:19] Charlie writes, "Jewish donors play into

[03:21] all of the stereotypes. I cannot and

[03:24] will not be bullied like this, leaving

[03:27] me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel

[03:30] cause.

[03:32] And somebody writes, Sedona writes,

[03:34] "Please do not invite Candace. That

[03:36] might feel good short term, but it's not

[03:37] good long term in my opinion. Like all

[03:39] groups, you're going to get a wide

[03:41] variety of opinions. That nasty free

[03:43] will thing that God bestowed on us makes

[03:45] life frustrating at times after the dust

[03:47] settles a bit, maybe."

[03:49] So again, this is 48 hours before

[03:51] Charlie was assassinated. He was very

[03:53] clear and he was very explicit and he

[03:55] did not back down on in that Hampton's

[03:56] meeting which they're all lying about,

[03:58] nor in this text thread. I'm not going

[04:01] to reveal the names of the other seven.

[04:03] Actually, you know what? I disagree with

[04:04] myself four seconds ago. Let's just

[04:06] throw in Josh Hammer for funsies. He's

[04:07] on this chat. Okay,

[04:12] so yeah. So Josh Hammer, Newsweek

[04:15] editor at large,

[04:18] his job is basically to keep the

[04:20] Republican party in line with Israel and

[04:23] conservatives in line with Israel. He's

[04:26] been attacking Candace constantly. He's

[04:28] been saying that Charlie Kirk never had

[04:30] any questions about supporting Israel.

[04:33] They remember they dropped this

[04:35] digitally reproduced letter. And it

[04:37] wasn't just the neocons who were pushing

[04:38] that letter. It was certain other

[04:40] influencers who, you know, we thought

[04:43] were hostile to Israel, but more

[04:46] questionable how they had been pushing

[04:49] the the line that these neocons and

[04:52] Likudnik wanted us to believe about

[04:55] Charlie Kirk in his final days.

[04:57] >> Well, Netanyahu also referenced a

[04:59] letter, right? Y, you know, but he

[05:01] wouldn't release its contents because

[05:03] Netanyahu really

[05:03] >> Well, we now have the full letter just

[05:05] to be sure. Yeah, but but he but

[05:08] Netanyahu really wanted to hammer home

[05:10] the message that Charlie Kirk and him

[05:12] were tight and that Charlie Kirk was a

[05:14] supporter of Israel up until the end.

[05:17] Yes. And I mean the letter was from May.

[05:19] It was before a lot of things happened

[05:21] like the summit where Tucker and comic

[05:25] Dave Smith and were on stage and you

[05:28] know Epstein was called a Mossad agent

[05:30] and Starley Kirk started to get massive

[05:33] push back. It was before the influencer

[05:35] summit at the Hamptons where Charlie

[05:37] Kirk was yelled at by the British

[05:39] Zionist fanatic Natasha Heddorf. And it

[05:42] was before all these exchanges which I

[05:44] think took place two days before Charlie

[05:46] Kirk's death that we just saw Candace

[05:49] Owens drop. And it's now these text

[05:52] messages while most of them were

[05:54] anonymous except uh Josh Hammer's name

[05:57] was revealed. Andrew Kulvit, who's the

[06:01] basically the comm's man

[06:04] for TPUSA,

[06:06] has confirmed them as authentic this

[06:09] show to address some of the things that

[06:12] have been going around on public, namely

[06:14] about a text, a group text chain that

[06:17] has been made known uh and released uh

[06:20] by Candace Owens. And I just want to

[06:22] address it head-on because uh you know

[06:25] that was a text grab a screen grab that

[06:28] I had shared uh with people. So it it is

[06:31] authentic and I want to go into it

[06:32] because I actually am really excited

[06:34] that the the truth is out there. I first

[06:39] so authentic

[06:42] and

[06:44] that brings us to something possibly

[06:48] more disturbing which was Josh Hammer's

[06:51] activity the day after that exchange

[06:55] took place which in which he was present

[06:57] in which he witnessed that and has been

[06:59] he's basically been covering up that

[07:02] exchange ever since Charlie Kirk's

[07:05] death. effectively lying about what was

[07:08] going on.

[07:10] This is bizarre to me and unsettling.

[07:16] So, this is village crazy lady

[07:19] Mel Witty. I wonder if Josh Hammer went

[07:21] and dug up this 12-year-old Trump tweet

[07:24] before or after he and Rabbi Pesaw Wiki

[07:27] had their last conference call with

[07:29] Charlie the night before he was

[07:31] murdered.

[07:32] So, that was right after that text

[07:34] exchange exchange where Charlie Kirk

[07:36] says that he's done being pro-Israel and

[07:39] he's sick of being bullied by Jewish

[07:41] donors.

[07:43] This is 9925.

[07:45] Josh Hammer says it's based digging up a

[07:48] tweet by Donald Trump from 2013 stating

[07:51] should be public execution for all to

[07:54] see. You will end this fast.

[07:58] What I mean, what is that about? Why do

[08:00] you suddenly want public execution?

[08:03] Like, what's going on in your mind or in

[08:05] your life?

[08:08] I don't know. It could be something

[08:09] else.

[08:10] >> And so, wait, Josh Hammer posted that

[08:12] the night before Charlie Kirk was

[08:14] killed.

[08:15] >> Yes.

[08:16] >> So, the implication there would be that

[08:17] he was like previewing I mean that

[08:19] that's a that's a stretch for me. Uh

[08:22] because that would be pretty

[08:24] >> Well, I didn't imply that. It's just

[08:25] weird.

[08:26] >> Yeah. Well, of course it's weird. these

[08:27] these people are freaks. Um and uh that

[08:32] speaks to, you know, Josh Hammer being,

[08:35] you know, a pro-Israel fanatic, so he's

[08:38] going to post weird things. But um to

[08:41] tie that to

[08:42] >> Okay. you know, for the purpose of uh

[08:46] >> Aaron's edification

[08:48] and uh you know, YouTube remember like

[08:51] like it's like saying like the vaccine

[08:53] works, but no, it's it's it's there is

[08:55] no evidence that Israel that we have

[08:58] that Israel participated in this

[09:01] assassination of Charlie Kirk. Okay,

[09:04] we're not saying that. It's just weird.

[09:06] It's also I mean it's also weird that

[09:08] there was a 1998 film by Brian Dealma

[09:13] called Snake Eyes in which on September

[09:17] 10th a US defense secretary who is about

[09:20] to stop a corrupt arms deal is

[09:23] assassinated

[09:25] by a Palestinian psy controlled by

[09:28] military operatives and his name is

[09:31] Charlie Kirkland. I mean that's also

[09:33] weird. There's a lot of weird

[09:34] coincidences. By the way, great film. Go

[09:36] out and see it. Brian De Palma's, you

[09:39] know, they're not

[09:40] >> I haven't heard of that one. I'd love

[09:41] to. That sounds great.

[09:42] >> Great conspiracy theory film.

[09:44] >> What's it called again?

[09:46] >> Snake Eyes.

[09:47] >> Snake Eyes. Yeah. I've never heard.

[09:48] >> Nicholas Cage.

[09:49] >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[09:50] Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

[09:52] >> But I mean, yeah, there's a lot of

[09:53] coincidence, but that's weird. And but

[09:55] the point is this is about what we've

[09:58] been talking about for most of this live

[10:00] stream, which is that Israel's support

[10:02] in the US has been collapsing. Charlie

[10:05] Kirk was one of the most important

[10:07] gentile assets that Israel ever had,

[10:10] which is why Netanyahu came out

[10:12] immediately and sought to claim his

[10:14] legacy after his killing and sought to

[10:16] convince us that he was unequivocally on

[10:20] Israel's side to the end. And we know

[10:23] that that was changing. Something was

[10:25] changing there. and that Charlie Kirk

[10:27] was open while he was not a supporter of

[10:30] Palestine, was no friend of the

[10:32] Palestinians, was pumping out uh

[10:34] anti-Islamic

[10:36] rhetoric

[10:38] all the time. He was opening up the

[10:40] stage for conservative voices who spoke

[10:44] to the grassroots who were sick of

[10:47] Israel's influence in the United States.

[10:49] And it was a huge threat to

[10:53] to the Israel lobby. Yes,

[10:55] >> that's the point.

[10:56] >> And and that to me is the is is what's

[10:58] so important about your story. And you

[11:00] know, whether you no matter how much you

[11:02] loathe the American right-wing and find

[11:04] all their views distasteful,

[11:06] if you care about ending the Gaza

[11:08] genocide, you at least have to

[11:10] acknowledge the significance of there

[11:12] being a split inside that coalition as

[11:14] represented by people like Tucker

[11:16] Carlson and Marjgerie Taylor Green,

[11:18] Candace Owens. Um, and if we want to end

[11:21] the genocide, that fiser there, that

[11:24] that source of tension, which Charlie

[11:26] Kirk was, you know, according to all

[11:28] your reporting, was at least a part of

[11:30] in the sense he was not going along with

[11:31] his pro-Israel donors to the point where

[11:33] they were threatening his funding.

[11:34] That's important. And, you know, that

[11:37] could help be part of something that

[11:39] could lead to some restraining force on

[11:41] Israel and American society because it's

[11:43] not just going to come, I hate to say,

[11:45] from like the activist left. um there

[11:47] needs to be as broad a coalition of

[11:50] disgust at Israel as possible and what's

[11:52] happening on the right, whatever you

[11:53] think of their views on all these other

[11:55] issues that we disagree on, I I think is

[11:57] really significant and and the efforts

[11:59] the efforts that the enforcers go to to

[12:02] enforce obedience and conformity by, you

[12:05] know, threatening Charlie Kirk's funding

[12:06] unless he bans certain people. Um that's

[12:09] a tactic obviously also used against the

[12:10] left and so you know joint revulsion of

[12:14] that in opposition to that could be very

[12:16] significant.

[12:17] >> Well I mean I think you're talking about

[12:20] the professional sectarian left that

[12:22] would never for example have lunch with

[12:25] Tucker Carlson and that's why they are

[12:28] losers who have failed. Uh but that

[12:30] doesn't mean the entire left or the

[12:33] entire activist left. I think there's

[12:35] more of a deeper consciousness among

[12:38] those who are actually staying in the US

[12:40] and fighting on this issue about

[12:42] building coalitions because there are so

[12:45] many rifts in the right and that the

[12:48] right-wing grassroots is just pretty

[12:50] much done with Israel for its own

[12:53] reasons and there can be a major

[12:55] conflict with them over other issues.

[12:58] But on this one, it is important to

[13:00] build a coalition when one is coming

[13:02] into view.