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Eyewitness Account of Charlie Kirk Shooting at Utah Valley University Reveals Unusual Details
An eyewitness to the Charlie Kirk shooting at Utah Valley University provides a detailed firsthand account of the incident. Standing close enough to catch a hat thrown by Kirk moments before the shooting, this witness describes hearing the gunshot come from below rather than above, contradicting initial assumptions about the shooter's position. The witness recounts the chaotic scene, the lack of visible security presence, the absence of metal detectors or ticket checks, and watching as George Zinn was arrested despite believing he wasn't the shooter. This testimony raises questions about the acoustic evidence, security protocols, and the precise origin of the shot that wounded Kirk.
Standing in the Splash Zone
The witness was positioned remarkably close to Charlie Kirk during the event at Utah Valley University. So close, in fact, that when Kirk threw his signature hat into the audience, it went directly from Kirk's hands to the witness's hands. This proximity would prove crucial to understanding the acoustic evidence of what happened next.
When the shooting occurred around 12:10 PM, the witness was looking directly at Kirk. The initial reaction was confusion - was this staged? A firecracker? The timing seemed almost theatrical, as the person asking questions had just been discussing guns when suddenly Kirk was shot. The witness scanned the audience, looking for signs of panic or someone subduing a shooter, but saw only people dropping to the floor.
The Direction of Sound
The most significant detail from this eyewitness account concerns the direction from which the gunshot originated. The witness is emphatic: the sound came from below, not from above or at the same level. Standing in an elevated position relative to where the sound originated, the witness felt the sound travel upward to reach their ears.
This contradicts what many would assume about a shooter positioned on a rooftop or balcony. The witness immediately looked down into the audience section, expecting to see someone holding down the shooter. The sound appeared to come from the right side, down in a lower section of the seating area. When everyone dropped to the floor, the witness continued looking around, but no confrontation with a shooter was visible.
Security Failures and Open Access
The witness describes a striking lack of security at the event. Despite being told to obtain tickets online before attending, nobody checked tickets at the entrance. There were no metal detectors, no scanning, no police presence, and no checkpoint of any kind. Attendees simply walked through the building and into the plaza area where the event was held.
Charlie Kirk himself appeared to have minimal security - perhaps one, two, or three people dressed in black shirts who looked like bodyguards, but the overall security posture was described as "really low key" and "very relaxed." The audience clearly loved Kirk, cheering enthusiastically when he threw hats and made opening remarks.
The Arrest of George Zinn
After the shooting, the witness followed the crowd moving toward the back exit - the logical escape route if a shooter was in the audience area. In the back area, which opens to a pond and grass, the witness saw very few police and no ambulance. Kirk had apparently already been moved quickly from the scene.
Then the witness saw someone being arrested: George Zinn. The witness immediately recognized him and thought, "Wait a minute, I know that guy. That's George Zinn, and he didn't do it. I already know he didn't do it." The witness described Zen as lonely, broke, "kind of out of it," but someone who professes to be LDS and is highly active in church. Looking closely, the witness saw no gun on Zen as police escorted him to a patrol car in the parking lot area behind the venue.
The only police presence the witness observed was one uniformed officer and two plainclothes officers arresting Zen. Other people running around in the back appeared to be UVU security, not police.
Acoustic Analysis and Theory
After returning home and watching videos of the incident, the witness became more convinced about the direction of the sound. If the shot had come from a rooftop or balcony, the sound would have traveled downward. If it had come from the same level and reflected off the flat building surfaces in the plaza, it would have been heard from the left side with a noticeable echo. Neither was the case.
The witness emphasizes that the sound came specifically upward, with no echo or reverberation. People in the same area likely felt the same thing. This led to questions about sight lines and the feasibility of various shooting positions. From Kirk's seated position, a canopy was overhead. A shooter on a roof or balcony wouldn't have a clear view of his head because of this covering. The trajectory appeared almost eye-level, not from above.
The Speaker System Theory
Based on the acoustic evidence, the witness developed a theory about the speaker system. The speakers were positioned in the direct line of fire and at the right level to match where the sound seemed to originate. The witness wondered whether sophisticated technology could allow a mechanism to be placed inside or behind a speaker - something that could fire a bullet via remote control, with the bullet hole disguised as a speaker jack or connection point.
The event had a modest sound system: speakers positioned near Kirk's area, possibly two main speakers and a smaller one elsewhere. Interestingly, the witness noted that the sound quality was inconsistent. When people in the audience asked questions through their microphone, the audio sounded different - not tweaked right, "tingy," and lower in volume compared to when Kirk spoke. There was also feedback from those microphones. This raised questions about who provided the sound system and whether it was hired from an outside vendor.
The witness suggested that investigators should examine the speaker system carefully, potentially tearing it apart to look for any modifications. A military contact had told the witness that when shooting in a bowl-shaped venue, it can be very difficult to determine where a shot came from - though the witness points out this was different because the sound came from below, not from the same level or above.
Acoustic Considerations
The venue's acoustic properties are complex. While bowl-shaped in structure, it's important to note that when filled with people wearing absorbent clothing, sound behaves differently than in an empty concrete bowl. The audience essentially acts as a huge sound diffuser, absorbing certain frequencies rather than creating the echoing resonance of an empty bowl. Lower frequencies penetrate better, but the presence of people, clothes, and bodies diffuses and absorbs sound significantly.
The witness heard no echo when the shot was fired - just a direct boom from below. There was also no sound of ricochet, no traffic noise from outside, and no other ambient sounds from the surrounding area. The venue is encircled by buildings on most sides, creating an enclosed space, with the plaza area being flat and open to the surrounding structures.
The Microphone Factor
Another acoustic consideration involves the microphones at the event. If a shot was fired near the speakers, the sound would have been picked up by the microphone positioned directly in front of Kirk. That sound would then have been amplified through the speaker system itself, potentially affecting what people heard and contributing to the unusual acoustic signature of the gunshot.
Timeline and Event Details
The event was scheduled to start at noon but actually began around 12:05 to 12:10 when Kirk took his seat and started speaking. The atmosphere was enthusiastic and relaxed, with no indication of the violence to come. After the shooting, there was no organized police escort of attendees - people simply fled on their own, with many heading to the back exit as the safest route away from where they believed the shooter to be located.
The witness's account raises numerous questions about security protocols, the investigation's focus on George Zinn, the acoustic evidence that seems to contradict certain shooter positions, and whether the sound equipment has been properly examined and secured as evidence. The lack of security screening, the minimal police presence, and the confusion about the shooting's origin all point to significant security and investigative concerns surrounding this incident.
Video Transcript
And so he threw this hat and I just was
standing there. All of a sudden he came
up and I reached and grabbed for it and
he So this is this went from his hands
to my hands. This hat this hat. So when
it was happening I thought at first it
was uh being staged or something.
>> Okay. So you know I'm there. I see the
shooting that happened and I I began to
ask myself some questions that right in
the very moment that it happened. The
first thing that came to my mind is
somebody lit off the a firecracker.
Although I was looking at him when he
was shot and then I looked down to the
audience to see, you know, I was
thinking is this stage? Is this is this
some kind of act? Because and the reason
why I thought that is because uh the
speaker or the guy that was asking a
question was on guns. And I thought how
that was kind of interesting. This guy's
talking about guns. Then all of a sudden
he shot with a gun. And so I'm thinking
now this is probably stage maybe they're
going to do something really quick. But
nothing happened. And then I looked down
at the audience and everybody kind of,
you know, grabbed the floor and I began
to thinking, well, wait a minute. Um, I
didn't really grab the the floor
totally. I did a little bit, but I kind
of looked around because I was thinking
to myself, if there's a shooter out
there and he actually pulls out his
handgun and shoots it, maybe there's
some people that saw it and were
pounding on him. But I looked in the
audience. I looked and looked and looked
and nothing's going on. And things are
happening so fast. It seemed like it was
like several seconds where people were
just went down and nothing and then
people started getting up and and then
it was becoming a lot of commotional and
then people are are kind of coming
towards my direction.
>> Okay. So here's the audience.
>> So I was no I was probably about right
in here. I was close enough that uh from
his hands to my hands this hat this hat.
So I was able to just grab it. So that's
how close I were. How far can you throw
a hat? you know, when you watch the
video, it looks like it's quite a ways,
but when you're there, it's it's not
that far. So, so I was pretty close. So,
at the time that I heard that I was
watching it, and I'm looking at the
audience, trying to figure out what's
going on, and I'm looking to see if
anyone was, you know, holding down the
shooter. And the reason why I was
looking down is because the sound came
from below me. It came upwards.
>> Okay. So, you're over here and you
thinking you were thinking that the
sound came down like point to where you
think.
>> Yeah, I'm thinking that the sound came
from right over here. We'll see. From
>> here.
>> Yeah, it came from below me. I'm kind of
up here. The sound came from
>> So, it came a little bit to your right.
Yeah,
>> like maybe down in this section here.
That's where you heard the sound come
from?
>> Yeah, that's where
>> you were looking to see if the shooter
was going to be attacked.
>> Oh, yeah. I was looking to see if the
shooter was
>> And you were looking over in this area
here cuz you figured there was a guy
here that did the shooting.
>> Yeah, that's what I figured. And so when
everybody dropped down, I looked around
then people started coming up and then
people started coming towards me and so
I went out.
>> So these people here were coming up
where they they were trying to get out.
>> Yeah. There some people were going this
way but I was right here and people were
kind of pushing this way to go out the
back way. And the reason why is because
if there's a shooter that would be the
safest place, you know, because if he's
going to shoot shoot shoot you want to
get out the
>> So you want to get out the back entrance
because
>> there's there's another exit over there.
>> Yeah, there's Yeah, there's an exit over
here. Is this Is this a basement?
>> No, no, that's just the backstage.
That's just That's just uh It's flat
back there.
>> What are these? Are these cars?
>> Yeah, the these are cars parked there.
Car.
>> Is it an underground parking?
>> No, it's not underground. It just goes
to the other side of this wall. It's
like a flat surface of building.
>> It's like one story, two story. You have
one first story, second floor, and the
third story where these guys are on top.
>> Yeah. And this just goes straight. So,
you just go out there, you you go into
the back, and you're out there, and
there's a pond back there and grass. How
did Charlie Kirk come in? Did he come in
through this way?
>> Uh, I don't remember. I think he came in
from over on that side.
>> On this side?
>> Yeah. Came over from on this side and he
had hats and people were cheering and he
started throwing out the hats and
everything.
>> So, what what time did the event start?
>> Yeah, it was supposed to start at 12,
but I think it was probably about 12:05
12:10 by the time he by the time he he
got up up here and sat in his chair.
>> That was about what time again?
>> I'd say about 12:10. So I was over here
and then I went over here and went out
right here. So So I was somewhere right
in here and then it was pretty easy to
go over there and to go out the back
there and a lot of people were going out
the back there. So when I was out the
back there, I just kind of looked around
and there weren't very many police. I I
was thinking maybe, you know, where's
the ambulance or the police that took
Charlie away, but apparently they had
moved him by then. They were pretty
quick. And so I turned and looked and I
saw this guy being arrested. I go, "Wait
a minute. I know that guy. That's George
Zen, you know, and he didn't do it. I
already know he didn't do it. I knew
he's kind of lonely Ben. He's broke,
doesn't have any money. He's kind of out
of it, but you know, and he professes to
be LDS, goes to church where, you know,
he's he's highly active, I think. And
so, I'm thinking that didn't do him. So,
I got kind of close and I was looking to
see if I could see if they had a gun. No
gun. Nothing of that went on. And then
they escorted him over to where the
police car and put him in the police
car. And this is way back over there.
>> This is Yeah, this is way back back
behind. Yeah, kind of a parking lot
there. Yeah. So then I got to thinking,
hm. So when I left,
>> but but at at this point, were police
and people saying get out quick? Were
they escorting people out or was it just
kind of
>> No, there was no police escorting
anybody. People were just doing that on
their own.
>> Did you see very many police security?
>> No, there was no I didn't. The only
police I saw were the ones that were
arresting George, but it looked like
there was one wearing a uniform and two
different clothing of uniforms. They had
a gun plane. Yeah. Plain clothes. Police
officers. And then the other people that
were running around in the back, it just
looked like that they were security for
UVU. So I didn't see any police.
>> When you came to this event, was there a
a checkpoint? Was there?
>> No. No. When I came to the event, I I I
was told that before you come to the
event that you need to get a ticket. So
I got online, got a ticket. So I was
expecting that they were going to check
it. When I got there, nothing. They
didn't check nothing. It was just open.
You go through a building and then
you're out there in the plaza and it was
just really metal detector. No metal
detectors scanning, nobody checking, no
police, no police presence, nothing.
>> Did you see any police anywhere?
>> I didn't see any police anywhere.
>> Did but you saw some UVU security?
>> Only and when I was in the back
after the incident.
>> Yeah, after the incident. Yeah, they was
just open
>> otherwise. You didn't see anything?
>> No, I didn't see anything.
>> Did you see any security with with
Charlie?
>> No. Uh well, yeah, there was uh you know
some people dressed in black shirt and
you think they're like his bodyguards.
Maybe one or two or three, but that's
it. So it didn't look like Yeah. It
didn't look like he had any
>> low key.
>> Oh yeah. Really lowkey. It was very
relaxed and you thought, you know, and
everyone the the audience really loved
Charlie. He comes out and says a few
words and when he was throwing the hats
up, people were cheering and oh, they
really liked him. And so, yeah. And so
then I got to thinking, you know, after
it all happened, I went home and watched
some videos of it and I got to thinking,
wait a minute. I know the sound of the
gun came.
>> Okay. So, you have a theory.
>> Yeah, I have a theory. This is my
theory.
>> So, I know that the sound of the gun
came from below me.
>> Okay. So, you're up here. You
>> and I'm up there and I'm looking down
and it came from below me. And I'm
thinking, hm, it didn't come from up
above. It didn't come from my level. It
came from below me.
>> Let me point this out. It didn't come
from
>> so it it didn't come from anywhere up
here cuz the sound would have come down.
The sound came up came up to my ears. So
I was looking, you know, I when I watch
a couple videos and pictures.
>> So you don't think you were hearing
reflection. You think you were hearing
direct sound?
>> Yeah, direct sound. Yeah,
>> cuz there's nothing down here to reflect
the
>> It just went out like that. I I you
could feel that it came up
>> because Okay. So otherwise there's all
this flat area for the sound to reflect
off of. You would have heard the sound
from to your left.
>> Yeah. If it would have been up here, I
would have felt the sound come down.
>> But if it have been over here and
reflected off the building,
>> you would have known it, but it came
specifically below me.
>> So, you think it came from down here?
>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So, I'm thinking it
came below me. So,
>> did other people kind of feel the same
way? Do you think they
>> I think so. People that were in my area,
I'm pretty sure they felt the same. But
just in my own feeling, I felt it come
upwards. So, I got to thinking, where do
you have to be to make this precise
shot? And so I got to thinking where he
was and anything that would line up for
that. If it was going to be on the roof
or the balcony, they're not going to see
his head because he's got a canopy over
her.
>> Now, there was a canopy.
>> Well, I remember there was one camera
that was down here
>> and it showed and I think you could see
the top of the building over here. It
was like far enough away.
>> Yeah. You got to understand something
that that camera is right here and his
head is up up higher. And that can be a
lot that can make a lot of difference.
Yeah, that can be a lot of
>> difference. So you don't think from his
vantage point he could actually see the
roof of the building.
>> No, from his vantage point he couldn't
see the building. And so when you watch
different angles of it, it he looks like
that he got shot almost eye level,
>> something that was almost eye level, not
higher because it's not going to be too
high. So I got to thinking, hm, what
kind of sophisticated uh technology we
got? Is it possible that they could
develop a a something that can fire a
bullet that is can be controlled remote
control and that they could actually
maybe put it in the back of a speaker?
So hm because I'm thinking the speakers
that were there where Charlie is,
they're in the direct line of fire and
it's below me when you when I heard the
the the gun fire, it sounded like that's
the area that it came from. And I'm
thinking, hm, is it possible that
whoever did this made invented something
they could put in the back of the
speaker that you can control the shot of
the bullet remote control and then
designed the speaker so that the hole
looks like that that's where a speaker
jack or something goes in there and put
a mechanism in the back of the speaker
that could fire a bullet. So they put a
mechanism in the back of the speaker
that could fire a bullet that can be
controlled remotely. So let's just take
a look at these speaker system. Where
are these speaker place? Why don't you
just take that?
>> Okay. Yeah, it's this speaker right here
that shot Charlie in this direction and
made him go this way out the back or the
side of the speaker and it would be
perfect. Perfect.
>> He was sitting on He was sitting on this
chair here.
>> Uh I can't see. Yeah. Yeah, he was
sitting right here and it would be
perfect because he's sitting up here.
His head's above it and boom.
>> So, is this the only sound system they
had for this whole event?
>> Yeah. Yeah. They had a a speaker here.
two or a speaker here and I think a
speaker here, but it seems like there
was a smaller speaker down here or
something. But that's
>> So they didn't have any other sound in
this whole thing. Just those two.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Another sound.
>> And you could hear it. Okay.
>> Yeah, it was okay.
>> Now, when these speakers were projecting
sound, did you hear it reflect off of
any building?
>> Uh, no. But you know, when the guy that
was asking the question, you couldn't
hear him too well, but when Charlie
would speak, well, you could hear it
really well. It's almost like they had
two different sound systems. Did you
hear any echoing from the speakers here?
>> No. You know, I'm thinking just now, why
would the guy that's asking the
question, why did his voice come out
different speakers? Because it sounded
totally different. But when Charlie
spoke, you could tell it came out some a
better sound.
>> So, both guys that asked questions,
their their volume was low.
>> I don't know. No, not Yeah, the volume
was low, but it sounded different. Like
it wasn't tweaked right,
>> like it was tingy.
>> Yeah. everyone that's asking the
questions.
>> So that the microphone that they had for
the people asking the questions, where
was that microphone positioned?
>> Yeah, I think the microphone was like
down here somewhere.
>> It was directly in front, right?
>> Yeah. Direct directly in front of him.
>> Maybe they were trying not to get
feedback and they didn't want to get
>> Oh, they got feedback.
>> Oh, they got feedback.
>> Oh, yeah. They got feedback from those
microphones. So they they were trying to
figure out
>> um so I'm wondering if they hired it
out. Hired the sound out.
>> Hired the sound out. Yeah, I'm sure.
Maybe. Yeah, they that
>> they could find out who. Well, we don't
want we don't want to implicate anyone
that's doing the sound like this. It's
just like there's a theory.
>> Well, they need to check just like, you
know, they need to check everybody. They
need to check the sound system. They
need to check everything to put up. And
the big question is going to ask is if
the sound system going to be there
tomorrow has it already has they already
got the permission to just take down the
sound system. I mean, I'm I'm wondering
I'm thinking that this sound system
would be confiscated from whoever owns
it, whether it's a UVU, whatever,
because it' be under investigation,
>> right?
>> So, that'd be interesting to find out be
like, okay, who who did sound for
Charlie Kirk?
>> Yeah, exactly. And then just and then
examine the speakers, tear it apart
because the speakers are going to be
look like they're okay. And like that
military guy told me, he says, when you
shoot in a bull like that, it's going
sometimes it can be very difficult to
tell where it came from. But I didn't
ask him. I says, "What about if you're
above it?" Because I heard it come from
below me.
>> The The only thing about a bowl is the
acoustics change completely when you
fill it with people. They all have
clothes on and all that stuff is
absorbent to those certain frequencies.
The bottom end will kind of penetrate,
but when you have their clothes and
different things like that to reflect
off of, there's a lot of absorption of
sound and diffusion of sound. This is
like a huge sound diffuser. So, I don't
I don't think you can look at this like
a bowl. You can look at this like a
maybe a bullshaped sound diffuser.
>> Yeah.
>> Because I think that sound is diffused
in all of this. So I think you're going
to have
>> but you you still got the concrete here
and you got the concrete at the top. And
so maybe maybe all the people absorbed
it. Uh if if if it shot right there, the
people absorbed it but up above it's
going to sound a little different. If
the sound's coming this way or hits a
building and this sound hits you first
and this sounds this sound hits a little
bit later, you can hear a little bit of
a an echo. Yeah. No echo. No echo. And
if me being here, I would have felt it
came from my right side. I would have
felt it.
>> Yeah. You would you would have kind of
heard something from elsewhere.
>> Yeah. It wouldn't give me the strong
impression that it came from below.
>> So this was kind of doing a good job
absorbing sound.
>> Yeah. So yeah, there wasn't a lot of
echo. It just it really sounded like it
just came from below me. Boom.
Interesting. So when were you hearing
any other sound that was further out
over here?
>> No.
>> I mean like cars going by was
>> No, there's no no traffic, no nothing.
>> Is there a building back? Is there a
building?
>> There's a building kind of all all the
way around to about like this. There's a
building here, building here, then over
here, then maybe a building over here.
So it's kind of a circle and going down
and then the circle goes up and it's
flat and then there's buildings.
>> Okay. So you didn't hear any ricochet?
No, no record.
>> There's another thing to consider.
>> What?
>> The microphone picking up the sound of
the gun.
>> So, if the speaker fired a shot, it
would have been picked up in this
microphone. This microphone would come
out those speakers as well
>> because it was loud enough to be picked
up by the mic.
>> I'm sure it was. Yeah. So maybe that
also affected it as