Former FBI Sniper Shares Perspective on Charlie Kirk Assassination Investigation and Media Misinformation

[00:00] From a sniper standpoint, I am curious

[00:02] because it's been, excuse me, such a big

[00:05] uh hotbed topic now. Is there a counter

[00:08] sniper component to FBI both in in

[00:11] practical application of whether it's

[00:13] dignitary support or things that you're

[00:16] doing where it would make sense to do

[00:18] counter sniper, but then do they also

[00:20] utilize somebody like yours expertise in

[00:24] say a Charlie Kirk assassination case

[00:26] where they would bring you in as an FBI

[00:28] sniper and and help the investigation?

[00:30] Like do you do any of that

[00:33] or would you do any of that? I Let me

[00:36] think about that. I don't think I did. I

[00:40] >> I guess would would it be logical for

[00:43] >> Yeah. Part of it was like, you know, I

[00:46] retired three years ago and a lot of

[00:48] this crap just happened. So, yeah, I

[00:50] would I think it would probably be

[00:52] reasonable that the FBI would would look

[00:54] at its own snipers

[00:56] for investigative purposes.

[00:58] >> Yeah.

[00:59] >> Um,

[01:00] >> while we're on that topic,

[01:02] >> Yeah. I'd love to hear your thoughts on

[01:04] it. You know, as as a multi-deade FBI

[01:07] sniper seeing the Charlie Kirk

[01:09] assassination and just the multitude of

[01:13] conspiracy, I don't even want I don't

[01:15] want to necessarily say conspiracy

[01:16] theories, but all this different angle

[01:19] and video footage that hasn't been seen

[01:20] before and you know, who knows if it's

[01:22] doctorred or not or if it's completely

[01:24] CGI generated. Like, you don't know what

[01:26] to believe. But from like that 30,000 ft

[01:29] view, what is your take on the overall

[01:32] assassination

[01:34] operationally?

[01:37] >> Well, you struck a like you struck a

[01:39] point with me that

[01:41] I I'm to the point where I feel like I

[01:43] don't know who I would trust with

[01:46] anything from the media or from Man,

[01:49] that sounds crass or from any government

[01:52] official like I

[01:53] >> like even the one you used to work for.

[01:55] I would. Yeah. Well, and that's what I

[01:57] mean that's the I feel very fortunate

[01:58] because I can call my old teammates and

[02:00] go, "Hey man, what happened like with

[02:02] the Dallas shooting that just happened?"

[02:04] I call my teammates and they were like,

[02:06] "Hey, yeah, we just did this stuff that

[02:08] they're allowed to tell me."

[02:11] And so, it's nice to have that peak into

[02:13] like, okay, my old team is still

[02:15] functioning. They're still banging on

[02:17] all eight cylinders. And so, I have

[02:19] faith in that. Like that's the thing I

[02:22] have the most faith in in our government

[02:24] because I was in it for so long.

[02:27] But when I watch news stories and hear

[02:29] the

[02:31] I don't know what to believe. You know,

[02:33] I'll tell you what I think you already

[02:35] believe is that like murder is wrong

[02:39] and killing someone for any political

[02:41] reason is despicable. I hate I had a an

[02:46] interview lined up for this weekend that

[02:48] just got cancelled.

[02:50] And if they watch this, I'm not I was

[02:53] disappointed because I was looking

[02:55] forward to talking to them, but they

[02:57] canceled it because of all the stuff

[02:59] that's going on and the perception of

[03:02] what a sniper is right now. And that

[03:06] it made me kind of mad. I was talking to

[03:08] one of my teammates and uh who's out in

[03:11] Virginia this morning and he's like,

[03:14] "Hey, in fairness, Marian Webster, it

[03:17] says sniper is someone who shoots from a

[03:19] concealed location." But it bothers me

[03:21] that there's sort of a we don't want to

[03:23] talk about you and your career in the

[03:25] military and the FBI

[03:27] because you're a sniper because a sniper

[03:29] is a bad thing right now. You know, like

[03:30] I wish

[03:31] >> Yeah, that's just

[03:32] >> makes me mad when they refer to this

[03:34] like a murderer as a sniper. Screw that

[03:37] guy.

[03:37] >> Yeah.

[03:39] To me, the burning question is is do you

[03:41] know anybody that has any insight into

[03:45] the Charlie Kirk assassination

[03:46] specifically? And have you talked to

[03:48] them about anything that that they know?

[03:54] >> Nothing. That's not No,

[03:56] I don't.

[03:57] >> So, that's a no or nothing that we

[03:59] >> like nothing that's not already. Yeah.

[04:01] Like I've I've called friends and

[04:04] teammates and nothing surprising or

[04:07] scandalous like

[04:08] >> So the answer is yes, you do know people

[04:10] and have reached out to them, but there

[04:11] hasn't been any

[04:12] >> Yeah.

[04:13] >> information that hasn't already been put

[04:15] out,

[04:16] >> right?

[04:16] >> Yeah.

[04:16] >> Yeah. The one thing that um again from

[04:20] your operational expertise being so

[04:22] extensive

[04:24] the and I don't want to turn into one of

[04:26] these guys that analyzes every every bit

[04:28] of footage and says, "Oh, it came from

[04:30] the back and well, what about his shirt

[04:32] in this way and whatever, but but the

[04:33] one thing that I am a little baffled on

[04:36] is

[04:38] and to be clear, like who knows if if

[04:40] the video footage is even authentic and

[04:42] and original and unaltered, but

[04:45] >> the weapon that was used, right? It's

[04:47] this old mouser bolt action.

[04:49] >> Mhm.

[04:49] >> It's not easy to break down quickly.

[04:52] >> Mhm.

[04:53] >> He There's video of him jumping off the

[04:55] roof. Unless I'm missing something, I I

[04:57] I don't know where that weapon could

[05:00] have been on his person when he's doing

[05:02] that.

[05:02] >> Mhm.

[05:03] >> And then it's found again later on

[05:06] hundreds of yards or further away in a

[05:08] treeine, put back together, wrapped in a

[05:10] towel.

[05:12] Does that line up as being plausible to

[05:15] you?

[05:16] >> Seems bizarre.

[05:19] I I'll tell you the having been on the

[05:21] inside

[05:23] working on some big cases and seeing

[05:25] what the media not even nefariously just

[05:29] like begging for crumbs, right? It's

[05:31] their job. They're like, I want every

[05:33] little know, every little thing. and

[05:35] they'll get something mixed up and

[05:37] sometimes they get it mixed up and they

[05:38] give even better ratings because now

[05:40] it's scandalous. And so from the inside

[05:42] I've seen that and thought you're

[05:45] getting it wrong and you're getting more

[05:46] attention now that you're getting it

[05:47] wrong. So everything I see now on TV I

[05:51] take with a grain of salt because I

[05:52] think did that actually was that part of

[05:54] the finalized report or is that

[05:56] something that someone in the media is

[05:57] scrging up to increase their rating? So

[06:00] I my attitude is like I just withhold

[06:02] judgment. I mean, I'm right there with

[06:05] you when it comes to, oh, he was at

[06:06] Dairy Queen an hour later or 20 minutes.

[06:08] Like, okay, that that doesn't, you know,

[06:10] maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. If the

[06:12] dude's off his rocker, then what, you

[06:14] know, but to me, like, it's irrelevant,

[06:17] you know? Like, to me, that doesn't say,

[06:18] well, it couldn't have been him cuz he

[06:19] calmly had a blizzard 20 minutes later.

[06:21] Like, who knows?

[06:23] >> Mhm. To me, the the one thing that I can

[06:25] say unequivocally that that I would say

[06:28] this doesn't match with what I know

[06:30] about shooting from elevated positions

[06:32] and trying to eress quickly

[06:34] >> and and escape after the fact that the

[06:36] video that you see there very clearly

[06:40] demonstrates to me that there's a hole.

[06:44] So I would just ask like from your

[06:46] perspective like is it possible that he

[06:49] had the rifle on from the video that

[06:51] you've on his person from the video that

[06:53] you saw that he was able to break it

[06:56] down on the rooftop conceal it in a

[06:58] manner which you can't tell that it's on

[07:00] his body and make a jump from that

[07:01] height and land the way that he did.

[07:04] Take off running with both of his arms

[07:05] loose with just a floppy jacket or or

[07:08] hoodie in one hand and managed to to get

[07:10] that rifle hundreds of yards away or

[07:12] further. put back together, wrapped in a

[07:15] towel, and concealed. Does that seem

[07:16] possible?

[07:19] >> I have no idea. I I know that's not the

[07:22] answer you're looking for, but I think

[07:24] part having been having done federal

[07:26] investigations for 25 years,

[07:30] I deeply suspend

[07:32] judgment as long as possible. Like, I

[07:35] don't want to set a bias for myself. So

[07:38] when I was working a case, if I followed

[07:40] a lead, you know, I'd followed a lead,

[07:41] but I would always be open to what if.

[07:45] And one of the places I still have a lot

[07:48] of confidence is is in our federal court

[07:50] system. You know, like this will go

[07:53] before I don't know if this one

[07:55] particularly will necessarily, but these

[07:57] big cases go before courts where guys

[08:00] like you and I get to sit in the jury

[08:01] box and really highly paid, highly

[08:05] trained attorneys get to duke it out.

[08:07] And when they can sit down and say,

[08:09] "This guy's DNA is here and it was on

[08:11] this and this bullet matches the, you

[08:14] know, the chromium amount of that's in

[08:16] this bullet and a shrapnel was recovered

[08:19] from here and here's photos that were

[08:22] taken." So, you know, when they start to

[08:23] put together that kind of stuff and a

[08:26] jury makes their decision and there's

[08:27] overwhelming evidence, that's when I'm

[08:29] like, "Okay, now I'm ready to start

[08:30] deciding what I think is true and what's

[08:32] not." I just don't

[08:35] watching stuff on the news. I just mean

[08:38] really I don't I don't I don't really

[08:39] watch the news. I listen to it. I listen

[08:41] to like my Echo Dot in the morning and I

[08:45] listen to NPR and Fox and US. Like I

[08:49] want to hear I want to hear all of it

[08:51] and then I want to pick apart

[08:53] somewhere in the middle is probably the

[08:56] truth of it. But I don't watch I don't

[08:57] watch the videos.

[08:58] >> Yeah.

[08:59] >> Like the video you're talking about I

[09:00] haven't watched.

[09:01] >> Okay. Uh, I mean, maybe I'm guilty of my

[09:03] own accusation of picking things apart

[09:06] and and I want to be transparent enough

[09:09] to say, you know, maybe I I do fall into

[09:12] that category because I I don't disagree

[09:14] that in in the court of law, it's like

[09:15] if if ballistically and scientifically

[09:19] you can prove that that this weapon was

[09:22] fired and and the bullet that came from

[09:24] it is what ended his life and your DNA

[09:27] is now on that weapon and it's at this

[09:30] location,

[09:32] how you got it from point A to point B

[09:34] is essentially irrelevant, right?

[09:36] Because it ultimately it's connecting

[09:38] enough dots to prove beyond the shadow

[09:40] of a doubt in a court system

[09:42] >> that you fired that weapon and killed

[09:44] them no matter how you got away with it.

[09:46] No, you know, no matter how you

[09:47] houdinied your way off the roof and

[09:50] >> is that those are the facts and so

[09:52] everything in between is is essentially

[09:53] inconsequential. Is that a fair way to

[09:56] look at it?

[09:57] >> I think it is. And I I don't get too

[09:59] excited about conspiracy theories

[10:02] because

[10:04] in a really big agency that has really

[10:06] high standards like the FBI,

[10:10] you could never manage to keep a

[10:11] conspiracy under wraps. Like if you if

[10:14] people put themselves in the first

[10:15] person position, they put themselves in

[10:17] the seat of being the agent, knowing

[10:20] what I know about how the agency is

[10:21] built, the amount of auton autonomy that

[10:24] we get. But if you think about like you

[10:26] and your 10 best buddies,

[10:29] >> somebody's going to run their mouth.

[10:30] >> Someone's going to run their mouth,

[10:31] right? And they'll proudly, right? If

[10:33] they're like, "Mike, here's the deal.

[10:35] We're going to blow up the Twin Towers."

[10:36] Wait, hear me out. You'd be like, "Oh,

[10:39] >> no. I I mean, yeah, I I agree. I agree

[10:41] 100%. I've said that for years now on

[10:44] the show with uh you know a lot of

[10:46] skepticism towards a lot of things is

[10:48] that you know while I understand

[10:50] mistrust of the government and and in

[10:53] pretty much at every level and capacity

[10:56] they have shown us that that they've

[10:58] broken our trust time and time again.

[11:01] Having said that, the larger the scale

[11:04] of the operation that you're saying was

[11:06] a false flag or, you know, some sort of

[11:10] uh shell game bait and switch,

[11:13] >> you're you're frankly giving these

[11:15] people way more credit than than is

[11:16] deserved to pull something like that off

[11:18] and not have somebody have a tell- all

[11:21] book with a $10 million royalty advance

[11:23] or, you know, got drunk one night in

[11:25] Colombia with some hookers and spilled

[11:27] the beans and it's on, you know, a cell

[11:29] phone recording or or whatever. ever.

[11:31] >> Yeah.

[11:31] >> Uh so I I mean I I don't disagree with

[11:34] any of that and and again like as I'm

[11:36] talking through it, maybe I'm not maybe

[11:39] I mean I'm leaping to that same

[11:40] conclusion of saying well this video

[11:42] doesn't add up but if all of the other

[11:45] evidence you know very succinctly or or

[11:48] distinctly proves that, you know, hey,

[11:51] the bullet that ended his life came from

[11:53] this weapon and your DNA is all over it.

[11:56] Uh there's, you know, an ability to

[11:58] prove that you were on the rooftop. like

[12:00] it it kind of doesn't matter from a

[12:02] technical and legal process through the

[12:05] court system how you you got it done.

[12:07] However, I would say that because the

[12:10] distrust is so high in, you know,

[12:12] especially the FBI right now, cuz let's

[12:14] be honest, between January 6th, the

[12:16] Epstein Epstein stuff, Comey, I mean,

[12:19] going all the way back to to um I mean,

[12:22] I would say even pre uh Trump's first

[12:25] term, you know, there's been some some

[12:27] missteps, but because that is such a a

[12:30] problem,

[12:31] >> if it were me and I'm Cash Patel, I

[12:34] would go out of my way to share those

[12:37] details. details and say, "Hey, I know

[12:38] that there's been a lot of questions on,

[12:41] you know, the bullet entry and impact,

[12:43] and so we're going to clear some of that

[12:44] up. I know there's been a lot of

[12:46] speculation as to there's no way he

[12:48] could have had the had the weapon, and

[12:49] here's what we found."

[12:52] >> Why don't they do that?

[12:54] >> Well, old school bureau is you don't

[12:56] talk about an investigation till it's

[12:58] done. And I feel like that used to be

[13:00] respected, but you could tell a

[13:02] congressman and they would say, "Of of

[13:03] course, like, wait till it's done." And

[13:06] because if we give you a little bit here

[13:07] and a little bit there, you're not

[13:09] getting the whole picture. And now we're

[13:10] accidentally skewing what we're telling

[13:12] you. Or we're, you know, if someone can

[13:15] still flee, we're giving them a clue

[13:17] that they should run or whatever the the

[13:19] case is. But

[13:21] I do want to I want did you you said

[13:23] something that made me think about, you

[13:25] know, I'm super defensive of the FBI.

[13:28] Like I just am. I gave understandably

[13:30] most of my life and uh and saw a lot of

[13:34] horrible things and patched up bullet

[13:36] holes

[13:38] >> um and left a piece of myself behind

[13:41] doing a job for a country that I loved.

[13:43] So, but something like I think you would

[13:46] understand this in particular when I

[13:48] hear the crap on TV

[13:52] about like you mentioned, you know,

[13:54] Patel or Comey or someone in the DOJ. I

[13:59] think to use another military analogy,

[14:02] it would be like you as a SEAL now as a

[14:05] former SEAL. If someone said, "Hey man,

[14:08] did you hear fourstar admiral so- and so

[14:10] said something to three star admiral so

[14:12] and so?" and then he didn't do the thing

[14:15] that he was supposed to do as an admiral

[14:16] and now you can't trust seals anymore.

[14:18] You'd go, "What? What does that have to

[14:21] do? What does that admiral have to do

[14:22] with me as my trident?

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