Jimmy Kimmel SUSPENDED: Cancel or Consequence Culture? | Ep 361

Obviously, a lot of people are here to complain about the city and a lot of the struggles you guys are having, which is typical for this city. But I want to talk about a bigger issue. Uh we are currently uh at the 24th anniversary of the terror attacks that happened on September 11th, 2001. And I just want to say that those terror attacks were perpetrated by people within the United States government. I think it's a fact. The idea that they were able to find the passports of the terrorists, but they weren't able to find the black boxes makes me ask a lot of questions. And then you look at who benefited from the terror attacks on 9/11. Well, it helped the federal government put in what is called the Patriot Act. What is the Patriot Act? The Patriot Act gives the government warrantless search and seizure of our cell phones, of our emails, of basically any of our private information. So my point is governments do false swag attacks all the time. Hitler allegedly did the first false flag swag attack. So governments that are in power will often times do these attacks in order to benefit the country overall. They're willing to kill their own citizens to put their country forward or to put in legislation that will take away our constitutionally god-given rights. So I just think about it 24 years later. Everybody wants to talk about JFK. And obviously JFK got his head blown out off here in Dallas. Probably done by the CIA. Obviously wasn't just a lone shooter. So people can call me a tinfoil hack, conspiracy theorist, all you want. I just get frustrated because when I saw those towers fall, especially Tower 7, that was the third tower that fell that day that did not get hit by any planes. And it was actually a 47story tower. It would be the tallest building in over 30 different states. And it fell, the only building to ever fall from office fires. So we need to investigate 911 on this anniversary. I hate that we always forget about it, especially this new generation of kids that weren't emotionally affected by 9/11. So they might not have the same interest that we have because we all experienced it. But it's pretty obvious that our government lied about what happened on the September 11th. They lied about what happened at the Pentagon. They lied about Flight 93. They won't admit that they probably shot that down. And uh it's just very frustrating. But other than that, obviously want to bring attention to that. Also, the Dallas Cowboys suck. I'm sick of the Dallas Cowboys. It it was one thing when the Mavericks traded Luca, I was like, who cares about the Mavericks? They're not any good. They don't have Derk anymore. But now that the Dallas Cowboys are basically doing their own false flag attack on their franchise, it makes me sick because I wish Jerry Jones would sell the team to the cartel because at least the cartel would figure out how to get across the goal line because they they crossed the hardest goal line, the United States border. So I wish Jerry Jones would sell the team. And also uh one of the council members on this DAS was hanging out with registered sex offender Bill Hutchinson in Miami. He was on a trip with him and this same person is doing an ethics investigation. Uh so that's Chad West was with a registered sex offender. >> We can't do that. We can't do that. And remember 911 91 truth. It was an inside job. >> This concludes [Applause] my grind so I got no games. Ask yourself why would I make time for you lame at all cost. Cuz I'm a break. Yeah, got to break them out. Break them out. >> Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, welcome to Prime Time with Alex Stein. I'm your host, Alejandro Stein, and we have a great evening planned for you. We got Kelly in Vegas and we have Blaze investigative journalist. You know him, you love him, the one, the only Steve Baker. Steve, uh, real quick, that video, you're probably like, "What the heck did I just watch?" And I want to say this that we internally debated whether we should post that video, but I actually went to the city council last Wednesday, the day before 911 when obviously this horrible tragedy happened. And so that was in the morning and we were kind of debating whether we should post it or not. Um but because our one of our guests is a sports handicapper, we figured we should probably put out the part about the Cowboys and we probably should put out the part about the Chad West hanging out with a registered sex offender. So what do you think about that? uh politicians hanging out with registered sex offenders. >> Look, let's go back to the Cowboys just for >> All right, that's fine. They're worse, right? Almost not as bad, but close that. >> No, I mean, look, you you you got you've got assassins, you've got pedophiles, and you got the Cowboys. >> Yeah, I know. You know, not necessarily in that order, but but I was at that game in Charlotte when the Panthers were playing the Cowboy. Now, they had just won, you know, three of the last four Super Bowls. Oh, you're talking about when they went to the playoffs, Carrie Collins back in the n early 2000. >> This 95 96 and they had made it to the playoffs yet again and they were there and I was in the stadium and I was watching it. Michael Irvin got injured in that game and it was o, you know, it was basically over. EMTT was playing really bad hurt. Irving got completely busted up that game. They lost to the Panthers. The Panthers went to the championship game in Green Bay that year >> and and it was right then that I recognized >> this is the false flag >> right then. >> Oh, right. Right then. I knew I knew it was total savage. >> You think they were tanking back then? >> This was over. It was over. >> It was over then. And you know what's crazy is that they that that since then over 25 years ago that Carolina has actually been to the Super Bowl with Cam Newton. They went to the NFC Championship that game and they have been to more NFC Championship games and Super Bowls in the same time span as the Dallas Cowboys. Nobody would have believed that. But but one thing that can unite America is hatred for Dallas and I'm a Dallas fan. So if it actually unites our country in this tough time, I'm all about it. So before we really get into it, it's hard to kind of be funny right now, guys, because of what we're going through. And I know it's a week after the fact, a week and a day, but it's still very traumatic. I'm going to the funeral this Sunday in Phoenix and I know Steve, you're obviously very affected by this. So, kind of give can you give us your perspective of of everything that's going on and I guess the week after the fact? >> Yeah, I you know I have had obviously now a week to to think about all this and to process it. It was a few days before I could talk. I had to disengage for a little while and and even though I never met Charlie personally and he I had been on his show a few times and so we met you know through this >> digitally meeting >> yeah this format but I I had never met him personally >> but he had been an advocate for me on my case when the federal government was prosecuting me >> huge >> for January 6 and he was on the transition team between, you know, right after right after Trump was elected this last time back November 5th. We have I have it in my phone. I have a screenshot of the text exchange he had with Matt Peterson, our our editor-inchief, and which he told Matt that my case was a done deal. And on on November the 9th, three days before my scheduled trial, >> is when everybody got the pardon. That's when That's when Charlie said, "You're your guy, your boy." >> Because you weren't that worried. Is that why you weren't that worried now? Because you had that inside information from uh Charlie Kirk. >> That's why I plead guilty to all four counts. >> Wow. And Charlie was just like he helped out so many people that he didn't even realize he was probably helping. Like he obviously wanted to help you because you're a patriot and he thought that you were getting persecuted by the federal government, but like he didn't have to help you. He probably didn't expect anything to benefit from helping you. He was just that type of guy to help people. I just knew that I I didn't have to go through the shaming process of the trial because it's a no, you know, it's in in Star Trek language, it's a Kobashi Maru. You you can't win. It's a no- win scenario to go through the trial uh with a DC. >> No, you have a 99% chance to lose. >> Yeah. Yeah. A 99.75 in January 6 cases. And so it was it wasn't worth it. I had already made the decision with my attorneys to to avoid the shaming process. And then when Matt forwarded me that text, it was all the comfort I needed that I'd made the right decision. And sure enough, that's exactly what happened. >> And Charlie was a monumental guy. He was a guy that, you know, now the rumors are, and I don't want to get into too much conspiracies, that he would have been JD Vance's running mate >> in the upcoming election. And I think that that would have been a pretty popular ticket. I would vote for that ticket. And I'm not going to go after JD Vance in this terrible time, but I'm saying I think Charlie's even more likable than JD Vance, personally. Would uh would he have been 35 yet? >> I think it would have been 35 right at 35 >> at the election time. >> And he could have ran for senator or congressman, but he didn't want to do that. You know, he's more powerful running the biggest college organization of conservatives in the country. And uh you know, he was a kingmaker and and he could have easily 86 me from turning point and he let me hang around because he truly defended free speech. I know I've been saying that for a week, but I just I just sometimes think it's one of the biggest disappointments is now people are realizing how base and how cool Charlie was. Not that obviously a lot of people realize he had a huge following, but even more people were realizing, man, Charlie Kirk was way cooler than I even thought. Well, that I I actually, you know, when I finally started doing what we all did, we were tweeting our thoughts and and I made some comment on X that this was that first of all that I had never felt like I felt that day since 911. >> Mhm. >> All right. So that was the first time that I've felt that same thing, that level of impact on a national scale or importance or that this was a turning point in in American history because 911 was and and then uh the next thing that I had tweeted out was I made reference to for the right and especially for young people on the right that this was their MLK moment. And I of course I made the mistake of putting that on Facebook. Now you know the difference between my ex account which is you know largely a a more right-leaning bubble in terms of followers well my Facebook >> these are friends that are liberal you've known your whole life it is a different >> completely different but also I had built because my life my career as a musician I had built in that musician very left and I got just hammered over >> but they said MLK is that much better than Charlie >> well no they but see that what they're way this is what's happening a week later. There those guys that hammered me had no idea because of their bubble, their information immediately. >> They didn't know how impactful church. >> They had no idea. All they knew was that there was this, you know, 6'5 young guy that they didn't like who said bad things that they hated. >> Yeah. I'm pro-life. That's what they But what they're learning a week later, and some of them are kind of like, you know, secretly going, "Okay, I I get it now." is they didn't realize the impact that he was having, particularly on the the younger generation. And as a result of that, they had no idea of the size of the impact. They didn't realize that he was just a, you know, a bad guy that that had um you know, a few thousand people show up at a at a college every once in a while. He was a bad guy that had a lot of people. >> Yeah. Not a bad guy. >> No, not a bad guy at all. Well, and like if we look at MLK when from the MLK leaks, like he obviously didn't deserve to die, but he was supposedly doing orgies and all kinds of crazy stuff. He had a great I have a dream speech, but I mean I would argue that Charlie is probably more morally sound than MLK and maybe you want to debate me on it. Uh let's go debate. I'll actually do that debate anytime. Okay. M and and talking about Charlie's legacy and the people on the left and you know I don't even they're like maybe even the far left because a normal person really wouldn't celebrate anybody's tragic murder like that but Jimmy Kimmel blamed MAGA conservatives for the death of Charlie Kirk and because of that allegation he has been indefinitely suspended from his job hosting uh at ABC and you know I'll be honest I don't think that the comments that he said were especially egregious But it was at the time, the wrong place in the wrong time to even speak like that when you're supposed to be a comedian. It wasn't even clever. You're just trying to He He accused, you know, people were trying to score political points when he was literally the one trying to do this to score political points. So, I I just I don't have any sympathy for Jimmy Kimmel. He's a rich guy. What do you think about this whole thing? Uh I I just think that it's not what he said, it's when he said it. >> Well, it's two two thoughts about Kimmel. And you can even fold Cobear into this, even though it had nothing to do with with Charlie, but Kimmel's was not just the bad timing, but in in the comment itself was a blatant lie. >> Mhm. >> That was that was what really got him in trouble. But that's really not what got him fired. >> What, Nickstar? >> No. What got him what got him fired or what got him in indefinite suspension was they were looking for an excuse to cut their losses. Oh, hundreds work. And that's what Co Bear's problem was. Co Bear's problem wasn't that, you know, he was saying the wrong thing or that Trump drove him out or that the FAA drove him out or any other political The bottom line is is when you're losing $40 million a year, they got to find a reason to get rid of you. And in and in Kimmel's case, I think I saw the ratings uh yesterday of all the the the network TV shows, he was ranked like 745th. >> Yeah. I know his rankings aren't good at all and his show is not profitable, but they still want to have that >> propaganda arm. So, he's probably still had some value, but obviously after this and seeing Nextar, you're right, like they saw an opportunity where they could go and, you know, cut the dead weight. But I think at the same time, like those the those shows aren't even necessarily supposed to make money to these people. They're more just about spreading an agenda or giving us the the impression that they're selling Toyotas or something. Well, let me tell you, Johnny Carson used to make a buttload of money. >> Yeah, he was the best though. Well, they all make money and >> and and and Letterman and Leno, they >> now with all the digital media though, Steve, that that format is dead now. And nobody cares about the canned fiveinute interview, >> right? But they but but here's what they need to do. They need to have a staff and a set this size. >> Yeah. Oh, he would. >> And they don't need to be uh in Hollywood and in Manhattan where their sets are. And they don't need to be getting $20 a $20 million a year um salaries. >> I agree. I think it needs to be a eat what you kill mentality. McKinnis coin co coined that phrase. And these people, they don't have any motivation to actually make good content because their audience is already built in. And if they don't get a big audience, then it doesn't even seem like ABC or NBC cared because they let these guys do these low rated shows for now going on 10 years. So I I've have the world's smallest violin is playing for Jimmy Kimmel right now. I got I got about zero sympathy for the guy. I'm I'm interested to see what's going to happen next. He was just on vacation for three months. Do we know, Jimmy, if the show is still happening with with replacement guest? It >> it just said suspended indefinitely, so either come back or they'll find a replacement. But based on internal reporting, Jimmy Kimmel uh is not really that interested in coming back. >> Well, yeah, that makes sense. And he he allegedly has about 10 of his employees are all family members. So, he's probably like, "How do I fire my family members?" No, this is true. He hires and he's like, "How am I going to fire my family members?" Well, maybe you get fired. And then he lets uh ABC do the decision for him. But but Steve, you probably don't like this. I'm happy that our boy uh uh Benny Johnson got the FCC official on his show, but I don't really like the FCC. I get it. Like after the Super Bowl thing, we saw Janet Jackson's boob. They all went crazy. George Bush went crazy, but I really I don't think that they really help society that much by censoring free speech. So, I don't know if I like this government intervention if I'm just being if I'm just speaking honest. So, what is your opinion on the FCC stepping in? >> Well, I mean, I am a free speech absolutist. I am a first amendment absolutist. I am a libertarian. And I when I say a libertarian, I am a >> You mean it from, you know, I'm talking about constitutional founding fathers, uh, Thomas Jefferson style libertarian. And so when it comes to free speech, I absolutely do not want to see any insinuations from Pam Bondi, President Trump, the FCC on limiting speech whatsoever. Period. A fire in a theater. Uh yeah, you know, >> I don't even think that should be a crime. I mean, I like if that's harassment, like if you're actually like causing an issue, like you're purposely trying to trick somebody, maybe that could be like I don't know >> exactly. That that's that's a whole but but it is actually it is actually legal to safe >> fire in the theater if there's a damn fire in a theater. >> So there is a condition there. But what you know I saw the numbers today. It was something like you know 15,000 arrests in the UK in the last year for something. >> Oh they've been going crazy. The cyber crimes division has been insane. Like you said I think it's even more than that. They're saying that they're arresting like a 100 people a day or something like that. Something crazy. >> Right. And then you've got the the prime minister >> post on Facebook. I think like we we handwaved this guys in the UK literally people are being like I don't like that there's too many falafulal places in my neighborhood like just saying stuff that's not even that egregious and they're going to their house and arresting them in the UK right now. >> Right. Or or or if your neighbor who happens to you know be a Muslim of some variety decides he doesn't like the smell of your bacon. >> Oh yeah. They >> your b your your traditional English breakfast. And so he complains and then you make a post about my uh my my neighbor complained about my bacon this morning. You know, f him. Well, 3:30 the next morning, you got the the Bobbies showing up at your house to arrest you >> for hate crimes >> for your for your Facebook vote. And it was the neighbor who's complaining about your culture. >> It's a bad deal. It's a bad deal. I don't like all the I don't I This is what you know, libertarian values, conservative values. I obviously have both. I want less government intervention. I want less FCC's. I want less organizations from the government trying to get involved in our media, art, whatever, whatever industry, even like a car business. I actually used to like it. I used to sell cars before this. I know a big surprise, but there were certain regulations that when I sold a car to a to an individual compared to a dealer, there was a lot more uh red tape I had to go through. You know, I had to make sure that it was uh inspected, this that had to tell them it was asis, no warranty. So like in in certain cases I do think it's okay if the government wants to have a little overreach to maybe protect us a little bit but and then and that overreach has gotten and I saw this personally in the car business where it just got even crazier and crazier and crazier the years went on and they make it almost impossible to sell a damn car because it's it's just really difficult like my point is is when the government gets involved in any business it's going to make that business less successful. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. >> And I can't believe we have this in common now. >> What >> I sold cars for >> Yeah. You did. See, that's everybody. Every entertainer, musician has a seller. >> 13 months of my life. I call it the black hole of my life. >> Oh, you didn't like it? >> Well, here's the thing. I made more money doing that than I'd ever made >> prior to that in my life. I was even salesman of the month a few times. I sold a buttload of cars. >> The cars sell themselves if you're nice. You know, the cars sell themselves >> if you're you and me. But that's that was not the hard part. You had to give up your social life because you're there. >> Oh, dude. That's No, sorry to cut you up. I had to work weekends and I had my own car lot. I'm sure you're at a new car dealer and I actually interned and worked at a new car dealer to kind of get a little experience. But I was just kind of doing it because I worked at cheaters for half the year and I needed a job for the other half of the year to do and it's it's kind of like you said, you think your schedule's good because on Tuesdays and Wednesdays during the middle of the day, nobody's going to view a car. But on Sunday and sat Saturday and Sunday, that's when everybody's looking at a car. I didn't have a damn weekend for like three years. >> And then you had to show up to deliver the car to whenever they were going to show up. So you had no free time. You were you were nine to nine every day of the week. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's always something like like the slow days would be like the Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, but like you know, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, you're swamped. At least I was I was a small I wasn't at one of those big car lots where they sell a ton of cars. I was selling like 15 cars a month, sometimes 30, you know, in that range. Um but uh yeah, that's what we have in common. But I just in my personal experience from from that industry, the more the government got involved, like they give us the impression that they're trying to help the customer, but really it just made the transaction more expensive for the customer and more of a headache for the dealer. So I I just want less government involvement. But now this FCC official, Brendan Carr, Brian Stelter, reached out and the FCC official sent him an a a GIF or GIF. How does what's a proper way to say? They say is a proper way, but I I kind of like GIF better >> of this. I was confused. They're saying raise the roof, so they're celebrating. So, this is the FCC commissioner celebrating. Is that what that's trying to insinuate? >> I believe so. >> I'll allow it. What do you think about the FCC celebrating Jimmy Kimmel's uh suspension? >> It's It's better than Kimmel celebrating our boy Charlie getting >> Yeah, that's true. It is the better. I I mean I don't want to go there and and and I I don't want to make lot I wondered I don't even know I don't know how you've done it. I don't know how you've you've done your job in the last week. It's been very difficult to find humor and >> it's impossible. It's impossible. >> Right. Right. >> But that observation I think I can make without being you know >> Yeah. No, that's that's not being uh rude or or disrespectful at all. But like you know you were talking about earlier and you can stop showing this meme. This meme's stupid. You did make such a good point how this is so similar to 911 and it really is because we all saw 911 and we all saw this video and even people that didn't know Charlie were really affected by this. So I'm like I don't I don't know as a society the idea that now it's a turning point. Where do you see the turn going in your opinion? Where does the turn go? Because does it go to Pam Bondi limiting hate speech? Does it go to uh or does it go to people like Van Jones on the left now celebrating the First Amendment and saying hey we don't want the government involved in uh you know media like does this does this wake up the left or does it cause some problems for the right? >> Well I I'm not worried about what Pam Bondi said the other day. It's not going to happen because because the push back was immediate and which side did it come from? It came from us. It came from our side. Now, the left were, you know, wagging their fingers as well. And then Trump kind of doubled down, supported her a little bit, said said some Trumpisms about it, but he does that anyway. You know, he's he he looks at the ABC guys and, you know, starts criticizing them. You're you're the problem. You're the fake news. You're the blah blah blah. And that's that's what Trump does. But when push comes to shove, when it gets down to actually the brass tax of legislation, it's not going to happen. >> Yeah. It's it's very unconstitutional. how are they going to decide uh what is and what isn't hate speech and Charlie was very against it. So if if this terrible tragedy sets the groundwork for legislation that you know creates hate speech laws hate speech laws that's the opposite of what a Charlie would have wanted. Okay guys uh you know uh I know we're all going through a tough time. I'm looking where's the whiskey bottle? Did Steve drink it? Where is it? >> One right in front of you there. >> Oh it would have bit me if it was a snake. I was looking for it. I I can't even see myself. Thank you Steve. It would have bit me if it was a snake. Guys, some bourbons chase trends. Flying Ace chases legacy. This is straight bourbon the way it was meant to be. Bold, balanced, and unapologetically American. No gimmicks, no fluff, just real whiskey made for people who still believe in hard work, high standards, and doing things the right way. 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I was headed to DC and driving uh from North Carolina and I'm monitoring it all as best I can on radio and on my phone while I'm driving. And by the time I got to my hotel there in DC, I uh >> I I was not looking to get hammered, you know. I sat down, had a martini at the bar in the hotel >> and then you had 10 >> and then that was it, you know. That was I didn't have cuz you couldn't eat, you know. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. No, no. So, you did have a bunch of drinks. You just had one. I didn't. Oh, you only had one. >> No, I didn't. and and uh it was >> alcohol is never the answer, but when people die for some reason, alcohol seems to be a big big thing that people >> Well, you do, you know, and and and if you're with some friends and you you you jointly and mutually knew the individual that was killed, and this was not just killed, you know, this was >> this is brutally murdered in the most heinous way that we could have ever imagined >> on on live television. We saw the close-up videos. This is why it was so similar to 9/11 because of the visceral impact. But in 9/11, we saw the people jumping out of the buildings, you know, uh jumping 100 floors or 80 floors or whatever, >> towels out the window. >> Right. Right. And and knowing that those people did not survive, we could see their faces >> and and then with Charlie, the the impact and the blood and all that, it was too much. And it was such that most of the people that I talked to, you know, we couldn't eat that night. So >> yeah, I did the opposite. I ate like two large pizzas. I'm not even saying that to be funny. I think I ordered Domino's and was eating. >> You went comfort food. >> I went comfort food. I like haven't stopped eating. I have not drank anything, but I don't suggest drinking, but I just It is kind of when you lose somebody you care about or respect, it's not that uncommon to do that. Okay. Well, speaking of all this terrible tragedy, uh how is your uh uh sports betting life going? And are you a big sports better, handicapper? What do you bet? Do you gamble? There's two things that I don't do. >> Okay. >> Because I'm really not good at it. >> Okay. >> And that's sports betting and making my own investment decisions. >> Yeah. They're kind of one and the same. They suck, man. >> Honestly, like some of my sports bets probably would have been better than some investments I made. But my point is, uh, gambling is a >> fun dangerous thing to do. I don't encourage at all. I don't encourage you guys to really get started with gambling. I'm kind of a I'm I'm I you know I'm a riverboat gambler, but I'm kind of actually even before the Charlie thing I was like you know what in 2026 I don't really want to gamble much unless I'm like a poker game with friends or something. But with all that being said let's bring on exar stool employee current outkick employee the one the only Kelly in Vegas. Kelly, how are you doing? >> I'm doing well. What an intro. I don't encourage gambling. Let's bring on the gambler. >> Well you know it's just really tough, Kelly. And obviously that that is your business and and and I don't think me saying that's going to hurt the gambling industry whatsoever because gambling is so much fun. And but like I have lost so much damn money on the Dallas Cowboys in the last three years that I can't afford to gamble. I probably lost $10,000 and that's low because some people but I think I've calculated I've probably lost 10 grand at least on the last two seasons on the damn Cowboys. >> Look, the the biggest thing I tell people is you've got to have a managed bankroll. You guys were just talking about investments. This is no different. I'm not going to take $100,000 and dump it into one stock. You're not going to do the same thing with a sports bet, whether it's $10 or $100. You've got to differentiate. You've got to kind of spread it out and you've got to say, "Hey, this is how much I'm willing to lose, whether it's in a weekend or a season." So, listen, I I I just about, you know, the intro. But it is real. You do need to show some discipline. And if you don't have that ability, you shouldn't be gambling. >> Yeah. would kill it. You know how it ends for 99% of people. I mean, you've been handicapping for a long time and you know it comes in waves or you win a few weeks in a row and then you go cold for a few months. So, it's like, you know, that you can get in a bad luck streak even with these games. That's the thing is you would think the football handicapping and sports handicapping would be the easiest. And I'm sure there's like obviously there's like, you know, slam dunks. What do they call it? Uh, you know, people pick >> There is no such thing as a lock. I'm saying the word out of your mouth. They always say the lock and then whenever I bet at the stupid lock, I always lose the lock. >> Of course, we don't use the L word in my world. You You can't There's no such thing. People get hurt. Plays get called incorrectly in the huddle. Pitchers throw no hitters. I mean, I can mathematically break down a game to the best of my ability. I can't play it for these guys. That's the end of the g the end of the game. Crazy things gonna happen especially in the NFL every single week. >> And on top of that, Steve, I don't know if you agree with this, but Kelly, you better agree with me or else I'm kicking off the show right now. It's all rigged so Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift can have like a Super Bowl thing, right? I mean, can can we just be honest? >> Listen, I was on the Chiefs last week and I had a bunch of Eagles fans texting me after the game and I'm going, you guys, I'm not a Chiefs fan. I threw a little bit of money on the Chiefs. I thought they had a good spot there at home. Send Taylor Swift's fiance a fruit basket. Thank him because that was a 14-point swing in the other direction. I will not say that it's rigged. Listen, I would never put my money onto something that I didn't think I would have an advantage. Do I think that there are >> Tim Don the NBA ref? Sorry I'm yelling at you. I'm emotional about my losing our friend. But uh Tim Don, NBA ref got caught rigging. >> Yeah, he lives he lives in my town. I can't wait to run into >> So you live in the damn town as a cheater and you're saying it's not rigged, Kelly? What is it? I mean what? Maybe you are blonde. I mean what the hell? I mean, come on. How much How much more evidence do you need? No, we're kidding, Kelly. Okay, real quick, though. I want to get into this. I I talked about the Cowboys and and I wanted to make one point that you said you were heavy on the Eagles uh last week, excuse me, on the Chiefs. Well, I took the Eagles minus eight points against the Cowboys, thinking the Cowboys were going to go lay an egg and then they the damn Cowboys covered. So, it's like he just it's a very it's a very hard world. Okay, let's play a little clip of my Cowboys suck city council snippet and then I want to get your opinion on it. >> Also, the Dallas Cowboys suck. I'm sick of the Dallas Cowboys. It It was one thing when the Mavericks traded Luca, I was like, who cares about the Mavericks? They're not any good. They don't have Derk anymore. But now that the Dallas Cowboys are basically doing their own false flag attack on their franchise, it makes me sick because I wish Jerry Jones would sell the team to the cartel because at least the cartel would figure out how to get across the goal line because they they cross the hardest goal line, the United States border. So I wish Jerry Jones would sell the team. >> Do you agree with that sentiment, Kelly? Should Jerry Jones sell the the Cowboys? >> Uh I'll say this. So I've been watching the Cowboys documentary with grandma. I had no idea. Grandma was a Cowboys fan. >> Everybody's grandmother was. They used to be the best team. Anybody that's like over 30 years old loves the Cowboys. >> Yeah. Loved the Cowboys. And she literally explained to me throughout this whole documentary, "This is why I no longer became a Cowboys fan." I thought it was rather intriguing. Look, do I think Jerry Jones is a great owner? Of course not. He's way too involved in the day-to-day. I think these guys need to remove themselves a little bit. We've seen other owners kind of go out and do some nice philanthropy in the community and kind of just stay one step back. They trust their head coach. Jerry isn't and he's not going to hire a head coach that does. But I want to walk it back a little bit and say, "Yeah, of course your team played good on a Thursday night football game against a divisional rival. That's what the Cowboys do. They're 34 and n in the division with Dak." Or you would say that's almost 80%. >> No, Dak is good, but we just traded Michael Parsons. cuz I was like, "Oh, the Cowboys Dline is going to be so soft." And I was wrong. I thought Saquon Barkley was going to have like 500 yards. And that's why I'm like I'm taking a little break after that. Okay. The the audience likes you, but obviously my audience that doesn't seem like there are a lot of sports gamblers. So, let me ask you a tough question. What do you think about this whole horrible tragedy with Charlie Kirk? I know you handle sports and politics is not your thing, but just as a sports person, a handicapper, what do you think about this horrible tragedy? >> So, I actually wouldn't say politics isn't my thing. I think there's a lot of data driven things that really interest me from a political perspective and um you used MLK as a reference. I was actually at my mom's house helping her with some stuff. I got a text from my producer and I just put my phone down and was like, "Okay, you know, your first visceral reaction is to go to social media and see what's going on." And I'm like, "All right, let me finish doing what what I'm doing." And then of course my mom's got the news on and then it's there and I had to sit down. I'm not like one of those types of people. I just like had to sit down for a second and process and then of course floods in all the videos from everybody in the group chats or you know sending you social media clips. And you said MLK, my mom was uh in high school during JFK and she and I spoke about it and I thought that was kind of my JFK moment. It was an absolute and utter tragedy. Um I still haven't fully processed it. I'll be really frank. I wasn't planning on you asking me it. So I'm going to try not to get choked up. I did not know Charlie, but I know a lot of people who did. And it's been a really heartbreaking week. >> It really has. And and I think you said it best, like I wouldn't try to call you anti-political, but I'm just saying, you know, more you're more post more about sports. So, uh, you know, you saw, we don't have to talk about Barcel too much, but like they specifically try to stay non-political, which I think is kind of dumb. I think that like now politics is sadly in in it has infected everywhere. And the old the old idea that it's impolite to talk about politics is really gone. That's not the era we live in. So I think like even the sports I don't care when they put black lives matter in the end zone. I really didn't even bug me. Like I I just wish they would put like white lives matter too or something. But uh my point is I don't mind the crossover. I think they all mix together. What do you think about sports and politics, Steve? >> Uh I don't like politics in the sports at all. No, it it turns me it turns me off because that's my escape. That's my escapism is to go there to get away from because it's my job, you know. I I I have to live that. I certainly don't want to see it on >> I liked when Tibo would do the praying at the end zone. >> I don't I don't consider praying politics. I mean, athletes have been doing that forever. >> They would consider that probably right. >> Maybe. Maybe. So, but I do I do have a a quick couple of questions for you. One tr one trivia question real quick. If if Jerry Jones if Jerry Jones made one correct decision in the entire history of his ownership of the Cowboys, what was it? >> You guys ask me stuff that I don't remember. You have to remember this. When things exit, the game's over, I dump it from my memory. I am not one of those sports trivia >> fans. No, I'm sorry. No, I know. He's asking what is the number one best thing he ever did as I mean, buying the team, not firing Tom Landry. >> No, of course not. It was it was the Hershel Walker trade. >> Oh yeah, but that was Jimmy Johnson that really did that. >> Well, I know. But he was but he was the owner. Jim Jerry Jones was the owner and that was the one time he had the lucky horseshoe up his ass and he was able to ride that for five, six years and that was it. >> That was it. >> Once that was over once he lost the Hershel Walker trade benefits >> and we had that time where Tony Romo went to the damn Cancun when we were 13 and three and and we ended up losing to the Giants and they won the Super Bowl. Hey, we've got a few super chats. $20 super chat. Timothy won. We need more transgenders in pro football. That is a good segue. What do you think about biological men invading women's sports? Are you for it, against it? Because me as a gambler, I am for it. I like that we have an angle. I won a lot of money on Leah Thomas. Like literally, I almost turned draft kings into draft queens because of my gambling prowess. And I like transgenders. I'm actually mad at the Trump administration and I've spoken this vocally and I've said this on paper on tweets. I want transgenders in in all women's sports. What do you think? Listen, uh you cannot actually bet on uh women's colle. You are wrong, Kelly. You are in the professional gambling business. I'm not getting mad at you because now you're my new friend. You can get definitely gamble on anything now and you know that >> you can gamble on a lot of things and that's where I've really gotten into politics is the gambling side of things. I think if you want to make some quick money, five to one for New Jersey to flip red, this governor's race might be worth a look. Uh there there is a lot of data that overlaps between politics and sports. Back to that question. Nothing. I think sports is supposed to be our release. We're already divided. We already hate each other's teams, right? I can say, "Oh, I'm a Broncos fan, so I'm supposed to hate the Chiefs." As a sports handicapper, I take a step back and I say, "None of that matters. You take the emotion out of it. You take the math out of it." Uh, but as far as you know, biological men playing in women's sports, I think it's a basic lipmus test for people. Do I want to associate with you? Can can you answer this basic question? Should biological men be able to play women's sports? And the answer is no. >> And if you can't answer that, we don't have anything else we need to talk about. >> I thought you live you're Kelly in Vegas. What are you talking about, Kelly? Do not try to virtue signal right now. Just be honest. As a handicapper, we want the transgenders in women's sports. I just do not do not try to virtue signal. You're trying to win. I don't know. You're trying to win points. Oh, K Rammo. K I R AM. Our friend of the show. $100 super chat. What did he say? It's already left my screen. Jimmy, what did he say? >> He said, "Repace Jimmy Kimmel with prime time 999. RIP Charlie." >> I would love it. Take the money. Rest in peace, Charlie. I hate that like right now. We got a lot of live viewers and we're getting a lot of super chats, which I am very very grateful for, but it's crazy to have such a a traumatic experience and it's hard to even like um appreciate the good things that are happening. Not that that many good things are happening, but uh we do appreciate that 100 bucks. Okay, before we let you go, last thing. You don't like the transgenders in the women's sports. Uh you know, you're obviously encouraging men to gamble. How are how is your actual picks? Because you as a woman, Kelly, I'm going to be honest. I don't think that you would be good at gambling because you're a woman. And I think that maybe that's a stereotype and I'm not saying that to be rude, but I'm a misogynist and that's just how I naturally feel. I I know. And so do you think you are a better handicapper because you're a woman? Maybe you're less emotional because I would think that like maybe for like six days of the month you probably might not be good at handicapping. >> Well, let's break this down from emotional perspective. I do think that yes, women are less emotional about sports than men. Not politics, but sports they are. actually wrote an article uh had a lot of data to back it up in 2013 for the New York Times and said, "Hey, look, if you can take out that emotion where you do go on tilt and you're betting way too much on teams named the Dallas Cowboys because you're a fan of them, those types of things do happen." Here, here's the reality. I bet a lot of college football. I only bet a little bit of NFL. Started off ice cold. Ice cold. The Florida Gator have been absolutely repuls repulsive. DJ Lagway, five interceptions last week. He's supposed to be a high school trophy guy. Not even close. Sorry. Sorry. Keep going. >> No, it's so true. So, listen. I've been uh I've been on this roller coaster ride to start the season. We're headed into week four. Things are looking up. Had Vanderbilt over South Carolina last weekend. Had uh Florida. Did not get it done over at LSU and then had Arkansas to keep it close there with Old Miss. But lots of uh lots of dogs this weekend. This is kind of the chaos week of the NFL, too. If you look at it historically from a d a data perspective, those 0 and2 teams, somebody finally starts getting a win. But from a gambling perspective, they're a much larger dog given the fact that they're 0 and2. So kind of be prepared for some chaos this weekend. >> Are there more traps in NFL than college? >> Oh, absolutely. >> Okay. Yeah, I'm that the parody between the two sports is so much different top to bottom. Number one, let's say Philadelphia is probably number one right now. Who would do we say is the bottom? Uh probably the Titans, right? Titans. >> So, we'll say that top to bottom at most they're two touchdown difference. But if you take Alabama, you take um Ohio State and you put them against >> Coastal Carolina. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, somebody awful. Sam Houston State. I mean, look, Texas is a an eight touchdown favorite this weekend or something obnoxious. And if Arch Manning isn't hurt, maybe they'll actually cover this weekend. But those are the the differences between the two sports. every every what is it every given Sunday or whatever that old adage is is real in the NFL. >> It really is and you're right like even these players their wife could be mad at him before the game and you know who knows that's all of a sudden they don't play good. So it's really hard it's a really hard business that that's probably not the case. I'm going to go ahead and guess that those guys probably don't care that their wife is mad at them before. >> Well, you know what they say there are there's legendary stories of NBA players that they would go on the road and that they would have road. Yeah, but that's cuz they were going to strip clubs and staying out all night. >> But I'm saying there's legendary stories. I think it was like Vernon Maxwell or somebody. I don't quote me on it, but like where the the wives would go catch the they would go basically do like a cheater sting and catch their husband cheating on them at the hotel and like I think that might mess you up the next day for the game. >> Don't marry a professional athlete. You won't probably have that issue. >> That is true. Do not marry a professional athlete. My daughter will only marry an Asian mathematician. That is the only person she's allowed to date. All right, Kelly. Oh, before you go, how can people find you and support you? >> Yeah, you guys can find me online at Kelly & Vegas. Uh, wager talk.com if you're looking for more sports picks. Of course, you guys can catch me on the fade with Klay Travis there over at Outkick. Uh, yeah, Kelly in Vegas on basically every single social channel. >> Everybody go follow her. Hopefully these picks are to get better. It is a long season and over, you know, the whole season you can probably get up, but it's just I guess keep gambling, right? Uh, uh, what is it? Winners never quit and quitters never win. I'm in this. Keep going. Eventually, you're going to hit the jackpot. All right. Thank you, Kelly. Have a good evening. >> Thanks, guys. >> Uh I hope we didn't encourage too many people to gamble right now. Like, my luck has not been good. So, I don't I don't encourage anybody to gamble. I'm taking a little break. >> I'm just wondering if you can, you know, she talked about, you know, having a balanced gambling portfolio, you know, not betting everything on the C. >> I should have pressed her on that one. I wanted to press her on that one because I wonder if you could get have a managed portfolio on the casino floor cuz I am attracted to >> you talking about like playing a little blackjack playing a little roulette like >> or or maybe five hands of blackjack. >> There is some sort of like system like that where I feel like when they say like if you martinale if you martinale like 10 hands you're like up to like hundreds of thousands of dollars. But like if you're just playing your martinelling like you're not and don't I don't encourage anybody to gamble but usually you're not going to win you're not going to lose like eight hands in a row even if you're not like if it would be hard to purposely lose it even though I have lost eight hands in a row but you know what I mean like >> my worst is 13 13 in a row >> and you sat there and took everyone >> and took you took everyone you doubled down on everyone. >> Yeah because you're trying to catch up. No, I've been there. I think I was like maybe eight or 10 but there's probably been times where I was under the influence. I don't remember how many I missed but those are the times where I've won two under the influence. Gosh, this is a bad episode. I'm talking about alcohol, talking about gambling. Do not do any of this stuff. I'm going through a tough time just like the whole entire universe is going through a tough time dealing with this horrible tragedy. I think it will be a therapeutic to go to the funeral this weekend or the memorial, excuse me. But at the same time, America will never be the same after all of us witnessing that. And they said with 9/11, it was like it's almost kind of like the the repetition of seeing it was a form of trauma based mind control. I think us the repetition of seeing this is kind of forcing us to look at the world through a different lens and I'm I'm worried about the future a little bit Steve is that is that should I not be worried but it's hard to not be blackpilled right now. I I am well I am encouraged though and what what has encouraged me especially is the tens of thousands of applications for new turning point chapters around the world. >> Great. And I just talked to Mia from USC uh University of South Carolina. They still want to do our event. I had 12 events planned. We're going to have to reschedule some. The the event we're going to do in UCF in Orlando, we had to reschedule and University of Central Oklahoma. we are going to do the South Carolina one and the students are so pumped because the energy for Turning Point is just as big as it's ever been >> and that that's you know this was and could have been a black pill event for me uh I I feel as I'm coming out of the shock and the um uh the anger you know because there's a lot of anger involved in this as well in the in the emotional process but coming out of all of that as We look at the aftermath now and we see how we see how people are dealing with it. We see we're seeing a lot of people, you know, look how many thousands of people went online and said that this Sunday was the first time they've been to church in years. >> So many people. They had a record number of baptisms and uh in churches >> and churches that had two or three services that people were lined up down the, you know, the hallways and outside to get into the >> Charlie would love that. Charlie would love that. >> It it was it was incredible. And then as I said with the number of applications for new chapters and then to see the memorials in the other countries that was the first moment when I realized something was really special happening here when I saw memorials happening in South Korea, Germany, Poland, France, Spain, New Zealand, you know, I'm like they knew Charlie there, >> the UK, they were protesting for him. It looked like, you know, they turned into a Charlie protest almost. It's just a sad thing. I don't want to keep on harping on it, but uh I'm I'm struggling just like everybody else is right now. I can't really be too The levity is just not there for me because I can kind of go back to that moment and relive it in my head just like everybody else can. And I I I think it's going to take time to desensitize us to that. But I hate that we have to get desensitized to this. I hate that young people are seeing that. And I hate that it's like probably radicalizing people on both sides. That's that's not what we need right now. What we need is to have respectful conversations and not try to jump to conclusions and really blame people that we don't have evidence for. And even if we have evidence, like we just need to kind of wait and see. But the other thing that I'm struggling with, and I don't want to get too deep into the woods, I do not have a lot of faith in getting the cold hard facts from the federal government and the FBI. I I just really have lost a lot of trust. And I know Cash and Dan are in, you know, in control, but are they really in control? >> No. Yeah, >> they're not. That's the problem. And this is where if you wanted to stay on for another hour, we could we could go. We could. Yeah. >> But this is this is a problem. And >> I How honest can I be here? >> You can be honest. You can be honest as you want. Yeah. You know, I I think the general consensus among the people that I know in the intelligence community at large, FBI specifically, retired whistleblowers, uh, current employees, is that they really believe that Dan is a good guy. >> Yeah. >> And that Dan is just simply in over his head. He's a deer in the headlights every time he's on television. He's a guy that was basically managing a show this size right here. >> Well, he did have one of the biggest podcasts, bigger than this one. I just >> Right. Right. Right. Oh, no. But >> yeah, he's not a big studio or anything. >> In ter in terms of in terms of employees, he went from managing that to becoming essentially the COO of a 37,000, you know, >> the biggest police department in the United States basically. I mean, it's not a easy transition >> with with incredibly complex moving parts. And so suddenly you go from that to that with no experience doing that whatsoever. And then on the other hand, in the the top dog seat, you have the guy that's the mouthpiece of the organization who's basically over the last few weeks has has had so many missteps because he's been desperate for a PR win and every time he thinks he's got one, he steps on his dick again. >> That I love Cash. I'm friends with Cash. We love Alexis Wilkins. That Valhalla statement, I don't think he was trying to be rude or off color, but it just didn't it just didn't feel right. Like I don't think Yeah, I don't think he deserves to be cancelceled for that whatsoever because I think his intentions were obviously good, but it's like I'll see you in Valhalla. That's like the last thing we wanted to hear, you know, at that moment. >> No, that that was a cringe moment. It was it was certainly not his finest moment, but he's had worse. And and the biggest and the biggest problem and and this is what this is what I'm talking about. So, we talk about Dan. We think we hope that he's the really the good guy that we all think that he is and that he's just in over his head. And then you have the top cop has never been a cop. >> Yeah. And he doesn't know how to act like a cop, but he's wearing a badge like a cop >> and he's the top cop. >> Yeah. I'm saying that's a lot of pressure, too. So, it's like, and you know that he goes to the FBI, the real person that's calling the shot is a guy that's been at the agency for 25 years that really knows the ins and out. Like, they are just figureheads. And I think that they probably knew that, but then when they actually have to get in there, it's just it's it's like you said, they're both, with all due respect, if they do see this, I think that they're both probably in over their head because I think most 99% of the population would be in over their head with that type of responsibility. >> And I have people, you know, they go online when I make comments like that. It's just cuz you're jealous. I'm jealous of what? I don't want either one of those jobs. >> No, I wouldn't want that job. I think they got it and now Dan Bonino is realizing maybe I don't want this job anymore, >> right? I'm not qualified and I'm the would be the first one to admit I'm not jealous, but it is my job to talk to the people who understand the way that job is supposed to be performed and adjudicated, administrated, and they're not happy with it. >> Yeah. Because I think that if Cash and them really wanted to be like anti-establishment, they would have to be going against the agency. And as soon as they got to the agency, they just, and this is self-preservation, they're probably just trying to play ball. But like if they really want to be effective, they should be going there and try to declassify and almost blow it up. But they obviously don't. It's a good old boy club. They he they don't want the FB they all say defund the FBI. Defund the FBI. We all campaign on that. And then they actually get the guys that could defund it. They're not going to defund Jack [ __ ] Well, >> it's kind of hard to defund an organization when they hand you your own private plane with a ice machine in, you know. >> Yeah. >> Uh in the plane. >> Why not? Why would we want this whole job to go? I'm the top guy. I'm the CEO, basically. I wouldn't want to lose my job either. Another $50 super chat from Tiff uh Timothy 1, excuse me, Tiffany. Timothy 1. Catholics for Alex. If you're not Catholic, that's great. We need more waters in heaven. Uh from Cyrus, is that our guy Cyrus? >> That's our Cyrus. >> How does How does Cyrus have money to He's donated over $100. >> He might be having some Craftco flying aces. >> Do we have Do we have Oh, we don't have another ad, do we? Okay, good. We got all that done. I feel bad doing an ad, too. like during all this. But >> that was the hard thing. Even watching Glenn host Charlie's show yesterday when they would take an ad break. I'm like going, "How do you do that?" >> It was weird. >> I mean, it's like you can suspend the ads for or get one sponsor that you just sponsors the whole show and like like they do with the Masters and you just say it and then you don't talk about it again for an hour. >> But the real the real inside baseball is that they have advertisers. They probably been paid for those ads and they have to run those ads. I'm I I understand that, but there there comes a moment where >> I I agree, but I'm not going to even say that that was like disrespectful because it's kind of a gray area where they're like, "Hey, people paid us for this. Charlie would again," and I don't know this, but I know Charlie was a great businessman. Even though it's a nonprofit, he really was an incredible businessman in the organization. He knew he had business acumen. >> He would understand the business side of this. >> No, I get that. I understand that. But >> I know I know it's tough to navigate because stuff like that could be considered in insensitive when they're not trying to be insensitive. Anything could be considered insensitive and it's just a hard thing to navigate because you and I want to speak out and I want to yell and scream about it. But that's also not the the right tactic to take either. >> No, it's not. But and it's not it's not good for your psyche uh to to handle it that way anyway. But it it is it is a and has been a tough time for those in our side of the media. We'll call it our side of the media. And and it has uh and I I I continue to struggle over it. I continue to look for the right things to say because you always want to come AC well, you want to come across funny. I want to come across smart. And there are times when it's just like, you know what, there's a lot of people smarter than me. I'll just >> Yeah. It's kind of like it's not even almost worth trying to just just just like let it all hang out. Not even try to be funny, not even try to be like super smart. Just I guess speak from the heart. Now, one thing I I didn't want to get too deep into the woods, but your favorite congressman, Corey Mills, has gone viral for now, well, he's gone viral a lot, but what was this vote he devoted to not strip Elon Omar of her committee uh positions? >> There was a censure vote based on her rather 911 was not a big deal and all of her rhetoric and >> and about about um Charlie and so uh four Republicans uh voted uh to not uh sponsor the censorship which would have stripped her of her committee u uh chairs and then of course in the background what had happened with Corey Mills, Congressman Cory Mills, seventh district of Florida is that he was being cure he was had a censure vote coming I think like today or tomorrow. Yeah. From the Democrats and it would have probably gone through because there's a lot of Republicans know what a shyer he is and it his censure would have probably come through. >> So he made a back door deal. >> He made a deal. He made a backdoor deal and a back room deal and that's exactly what it is. So I will vote to block your censorship if you if the if the Democrats at large will drop mine and they did and they dropped it. >> And that's how this works guys. They give us the impression it's right verse left, but really if your neck is on the line, you can go in a in a door in a room behind Congress or whatever and say, "Hey, listen. You don't vote for me. I don't vote." It's literally Survivor. It's like you don't It's like Big Brother. It's almost like a reality show. You don't vote for me. Even though I disagree with you and I'm supposed to be against you, but let's make a deal together to save us and screw over our constituents. That's how the government works. Um, okay. And then last thing I want to cover, >> we got another $20 super chat. >> Oh, yeah. From William Ashby. I saw this. She said, "Alex, uh, you need to step up to be the new Charlie." I could never be the new Charlie. I'm the dollar store version of Charlie. I am in Turning Point. I will never be the Charlie. If anything, I will be like the utility infield player or like the fourth guy in the bullpen that they can throw in when they're whether they're up or down if they just need a player to throw in there. And I'm I'm happy and honored to even be in that position. But I will never ever be able to fill the shoes of Charlie Kirk. And I don't think anybody will. It's going to take a committee of people, but even in that case, like it's just still not going to be the same. The world is significantly different and worse off without Charlie alive in it. I mean, we lost a future president. It just makes me sick to even say that. So, this is the big breaking news. Erica, his lovely wife, is now the CEO of Turning Point. So, I think the future is as bright as it can be. It's hard to say that, but the future is going to continue to go on for Turning Point. Erica was obviously very dialed in, very smart woman. I think that she has a great team around her as well that will help her be successful. So, this is good news. turning point is not going away. It's just it's just a it's just a really sad sad situation without Charlie then. >> Well, what they're saying is is that Erica was Charlie's choice that >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In discussions with the board that was his choice and and they came through within a week to vote on that. And she is I mean she did a incredible job in her uh her own eulogy that she delivered here you know just a I I could just start there doing what she did just like two or three days after what happened >> tough. >> No way. I I I don't even know who she's superwoman. >> She did have a lot of courage doing that. So I I have the utmost confidence and turning point continuing to be incredibly successful with Erica. we're just going to lose a lot of that great content sadly of of Charlie owning the libs and owning them in a respectful manner, not a disrespectful manner like I tend to do sometimes. That's what's like I I I don't have survivors guilt. I don't want to say it like that, but it would make sense, right? If I'm over there yelling at Antifa if I got shot, for somebody to actually dislike Charlie Kirk so much to want to take his life, it doesn't make sense because Charlie was so respectful. He was not racist. He was one of the greatest, most moral and levels of integrity that most human beings can't even comprehend. So for him to be taken out, it it just it scares me a little bit. It's like, man, I should have already been taken out if that's if that's the litmus test for >> Yeah. But you know, you know your boy Milo, he wants to fill the the gap. >> Milo would be great on campuses. He's famous on campuses, but then once again, Milo's going to go there and make a bunch of sexual jokes and dumb stuff, and it's going to go viral, but it's going to be different than Charlie. Charlie might actually change some people's minds. And I'm not saying Milo doesn't change a mind or two, but it's just different strokes for different folks. Charlie had the total package. And it