John Bray Explains the Exploding Microphone Theory Behind Charlie Kirk's Death with Data and Analysis

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That's the question. >> Nope. I'm going to be counting on Amazon Prime up until the end or gift cards from there. >> Gift Yeah, gift cards are always a good last minute gift. >> Yep. get those Walgreens gift cards because nothing else is open. >> Yes, for sure. >> All right. Make sure you vote. >> Absolutely. Make sure they vote. Make sure that they are liking already, dropping a like and a comment. And if we have anyone who is joining uh from X, please be sure to reshare. All of that helps to make sure that we we're going to bring a great show tonight. So we want to make sure that people are as many people as possible are able to be reached. Thank you so much. >> So now so far the poll is saying that 77% think that the exploding mic or electrocution are plausible. Very interesting. >> I appreciate the open minds. You know at this point got to keep an open mind. I'd say I mean I think so many of us have se have seen that the official narrative just does not it's not up to snuff. >> Yeah. All right. Let's go ahead and bring our guest on. >> Welcome John. Did you want to introduce yourself? >> I'm uh John Bray. John Aaron Bray next. And John has been very in-depth covering the microphone theory and he has a lot of data to back it up. He has some visuals and he's also it's basically been his day one theory. Um did you want to tell us kind of like how you got into like what what made you kind of go this route? Not not super in detail but just kind of like a high level. >> Um well immediately I saw the video and I thought it was AI because it just looked so strange to me. And then um my my background is in body armor. I developed the um refurbishing program for the army for their IOTVs, OTVs. So I saw how his shirt deformed and I was certain that he had body armor on. But you know within the end of the day it was pretty obvious they didn't. So I started to basically run analysis on it and that led me to the microphone. So, do you think that I know you have I know you have data and I know you back stuff up and you you have the the program that shows kind of the the pressure areas and that kind of stuff, but do you think that any other theories before we get like really deep into this? Are any other theories also interesting or somewhat plausible to you or do you think that this is the only one? >> Um, the only other thing that could really convince me is is that he was shot in the chest. That's that's the from from the physical, you know, evidence and the the the energetic kind of uh dispersion. That's the only thing that could make any sense to me. >> What about some people talking about Iran coming in and hitting his necklace and bouncing up? >> I just find that really unlikely. It's just the the other um objects that are involved in the movement. It just doesn't they don't the the energy doesn't align to that sort of scenario. All right, Kelly, did you want to go ahead and uh get us started into the meat of this? >> Sure. I mean, I want to say first off that I connected with John gosh, I don't know, at least two plus months ago and I so appreciated at that point. I was, you know, no one on X. It's it's hard when you are trying to really really passionate about trying to investigate the case and you want to just talk to people who have intel insight who are who are also equally as passionate about it and John was willing to really hash out some things with me and I I felt the same way that there was something that was strange about the mic. And so, um, I've I've really enjoyed watching John hone his theories over or theory over the last several weeks and months. So, props to you, John. Um, >> sorry. I I can't hear Kelly. >> Oh, man. Okay, >> we we can hear you, Kelly. >> Okay. >> I can't I can't hear Kelly for some reason. >> Okay. Some people are also saying that your levels aren't balanced, so I think we'll have to turn your mic up a bit. Um, let me try pulling you off the stage and putting you back on. We apologize. Technical issues come with this kind of stuff. >> The beauty of a live show. Can you hear me now? >> I still can't hear you. >> Oh, man. >> All right. Give me a second here. Let me see if there's something very obvious I can fix this with quickly. >> Okay. >> This happened with Ally, remember? >> It did. It did. >> All right. And for those just coming in, uh today's guest is going to be talking about the exploding mic theory and it's been his number one theory from day one and he has a lot of stuff to back it >> and I appreciate Okay, someone said that my mic is too loud. I can push it away from me, but I haven't changed any of the settings from where I normally have it. But they they also said don't turn your mic up. It could explode. That's funny, but not funny. All right. So, you can hear me, John, but she can't hear you. >> Yeah, you sound great. >> I'm not sure if that's something we can necessarily fix. >> Okay. Well, maybe uh the amazing Mike or the amazing Mikey McCoy. It just depends on which conversation you're having. Um, yeah. I mean, I guess if you want to go ahead and get started, John, kind of with uh your theory, what made you lean that direction? I can try and figure out the other audio and stuff with >> Yeah, let's do that. >> Yeah, with Kelly. >> Okay. Okay. Well, um, the whole reason I started to do the whole vector map, uh, pixel flow was to try to pinpoint where the bullet may have hit him in his bulletproof vest. But in the middle of kind of creating the code to run that, um, it became obvious that he didn't have a vest on the pictures with, you know, you could see his nipples and then it was just, you know, the back line of where he's hunched over in his seat. There's there's no way even a executive vest could be concealed to that point. So then that left me just to run the um the code as I had it. And I immediately noticed that there was kind of a epicenter in the center upper sternum of his shirt. Um, and that led me to kind of start to question the the three main kind of energetic centers of the event, which is the shirt that pulled up to his face, basically almost to his cheek, the uh magnetic clasp that moved across his neck, and what I first thought was a uh lanyard wire to like an earpiece flying over his head. But it wasn't even a day into the event that someone pointed out that he didn't have an earpiece on. that became pretty obvious >> and then a better quality video became available and it was pretty obvious that it was his necklace that flew up and over his head and it wasn't, you know, a wire. So then I was left with three different things that kind I had to figure out to explain how they were they were obviously tied together because they moved they started movement at the same time and they kind of moved in in kind of opposite directions of each other. the shirt, you know, pulling up on his face and the magnetic clasp kind of moved opposite of each other at first and then the magnetic clasp flows back across his chest as this as a shirt relaxes. Um, and then the the necklace was what really what pulled and puzzled me the most because it's the most energetic object of the event. It moved the quickest. It had the most amount of energy kind of displaced in it and it was enough energy to actually break the necklace. So then I refined the code to really hone in on those those details. And um my first runs the red dots are m mapping the epicenter frame to frame. So every frame there's pixel movement. And wherever there was the most pixel movement in the frame it it maps it with a red dot. When there's a lot of movement going on it can it just it can be random. But when you have a lot of quick movement it's pretty accurate especially when you have multiple angles. So between the two front angles that we had um I was able to basically pinpoint the epicenters around his sternum and then I noticed that the magnetic class kind of followed that. So that led me to kind of um investigate what the magnetic clasp was all about and then I found the model of the microphone and then the pictures of them kind of mounting it on it. So then I started studying in the past how did he wear the microphone and um when he first got the mic he wore it on the outside of his shirt and then it slowly kind of evolved and then they put it underneath his shirt and that day it's it's kind of like mounted in a pecular way that it's it's almost like standing on its side where the mag it's it's kind of bulges his shirt out. that looks kind of uncomfortable and it's at a 45 degree angle and I kept getting maps peak maps right below that like kind of 45� like a a trajectory that matches what you would expect if the bottom of that microphone kind of blew out. So then I found a video of someone actually disassembling the mic and then I saw where the battery was and the battery was right in that area. So that led me to start investigate like what could this battery been modified somehow. And then it wasn't even of a year ago before that event that the uh Grim Pager or Grim Beeper attacks, the the MSAD pager attacks happened. And I I studied those and I realized that, you know, those pagers were in circulation for over a decade before they were detonated. And the batteries went through airport scanners. They were completely functional that whole time. >> That's the key. Completely functional. >> Yeah. That that really opened my mind to the fact that Charlie's microphone was the older model. He had those microphones for quite a while and he's traveled all over. So, there was ample opportunity for someone to get a hold of it. And you can see how quickly you can get the battery out of it. You don't need to solder anything. You can just pop it out and basically replace it with a loaded battery. and the user would would never know. You could go on using it. It would have approximately 75% of the the charge capacity and you it would take someone that would used it all the way to empty all the time to even noticed that it changed. So that made it plausible. And then I started to study the injuries from the pager attacks which they were the pagers themselves were were alkaline batteries. They were round like double A style batteries, so they left like black residue, but they didn't leave any burns and they didn't really like char the victims and it was pretty directional. The uh >> Wait, so so you're saying the the ones in Lebanon did not leave charring. >> Yeah, they what they left was the alkaline battery char was like the insides of the alkaline battery, like a black residue from the alkaline battery. the walkietalkies that followed the day after, they had lithium batteries and they didn't leave any charring or any residue. They were pretty much clean. >> Um, so that's where I was like, well, that's that's bizarre cuz immediately, you know, like everyone else, you think explosion, you think it's going to be like a a lot of radial damage. There'll be charring and residue left. So, that opened up to the possibility that it could be a completely clean burn. Um, but then I was kind of perplexed like why would why would someone go through the effort of this and not have a means to cover it up, right? If if they killed Charlie with a a loaded microphone bomb, everyone would know who it is. So, that kind of opened up the idea that they would need a patchy and then the rifle kind of made sense to me, like the whole the weirdness and stranges about it. But I put my mind in kind of the conspirators, right? If I wanted to pull this sort of event out, I would want the wound and the event to look like a rifle shot. And in my mind, immediately what I thought was it looked like a chess shot. So then I was like, what if this was designed to be to mimic a chess shot of a 36 30 off six? So, let's talk about that really quick because a lot of people are going to say like what what's your official explanation as to why the official narrative wouldn't work? >> Well, it's because it's the order of events. So, you you when you watch the events unfold in in slow motion, frame by frame, the necklace, the microphone movement, and the shirt all precede the appearance of the neck wound. And with a high velocity impact the neck, the zone two of the neck particular, you would have instantaneous effects, right? You would have automized blood. You would have cavitation. There's no way that you would have it's at point43 seconds delay from when the shirt first moves to when you see the neck wound even appear. And it's almost a whole second before blood appears out of the neck wound. >> Yeah, that's the strangest part to me is that delay. So then I studied uh you know the forensics of high velocity impacts and there's there's so much you know um case studies on it and and examples of people being shot in the neck in the exact same area and nothing about it made sense. There's there's no high velocity blood, no blood automization. Um, and then the strangeness of the leaked autopsy reports like them trying to say that the C1 was hit when you know the trajectory was almost impossible for that to happen and then like it traveled down to the C6 and that I just couldn't understand why they would go through efforts to try to explain that. But when I got to kind of the the aftermath, right, to once I thought I had a solid grasp on what caused the shirt to move, what caused the necklace to move, what caused his body to react in the way it did, the way his his hands grasp together, his his elbows lift up and his arms come in and particularly his legs. If you look at his legs, his knees immediately come together and he lifts himself out of the chair. And so that that's that's indicating that he had midbrain and brain stem damage. And then that made perfect sense to me. That's why they had to lean on the C1 damage because that's the only way that you could have that sort of physical reaction from uh a ballistic impact. Uh outside of a headsh shot, it would have to be at the very base of the of the spine for a bullet to cause a physical reaction like that. So, you know, it made me think that possibly the the narrative was being crafted kind of on the fly. And so then I started questioning that the neck wound, like the the bleeding of the neck wound, the delayed bleeding of it, and the shape of it. And particularly the trajectory of the magnetic clasp, which basically tells you the trajectory of the whole microphone, right? they were connected together and how it they lined up perfectly with where the wound appeared and then the wound had this strange, you know, rectangular appearance and the delayed bleeding. And if you look very closely frame by frame, you can actually see the def deformation of the of the flesh. It it it matches the trajectory of the um the microphone, the direction it was traveling. So, >> so a quick question that people are going to have is are you saying that the microphone itself exploded or are you saying that something exploded out of the microphone towards his neck >> or both? >> I I believe that the microphone was designed to replicate a 30 off [�__�] a 30 off six impact to the chest and there was unforeseen shrapnel that came off of the microphone. the CA either the battery or the magnetic clasp that struck his neck that they didn't prepare for. And so when the very obvious neck wound became kind of the center point of the event, they had to shift the narrative from a chest shot to a a single neck shot. And they had to explain the physical reactions that we we all saw by, you know, the the C1 impact and the, you know, the vertebrae damage when when in reality, I believe he probably had chest damage, too. And and if you remember, there was leaks from the hospital that described massive chest damage. They said his chest was caved in. And even some of the first reports of uh the autopsy which I have been they've been um the New York Time article even mentioned uh chest but then it was redacted and it was changed later and you can't find any mention of that again >> but the the whole even the first uh witness that I saw from the crowd said that he was shot in the chest and blood came out from underneath his shirt. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you know, it it's I feel like that there was a scramble to cover up any chest wound because they only had a single rifle shot and you can't have two different wounds with a single rifle shot. And I think that explains the strangeness at the hospital with the physic physicians and the uh surgeon not being able to go back in and then um you know autopsies ordered overnight and then flying him out and then the uh security footage from the hospital getting confiscated. It all just seemed kind of out of the ordinary and unnecessary unless you had something to hide like a very obvious chest fling. Right. >> So So just real quick, sorry to cut you off there. Um, some people are saying that he sounds nervous. Yeah, this is not what he does. He does not do podcasts. He does not do interviews regularly. So, we're going to be giving him some grace because he is not doing this on a regular basis. So, and I would say that for anyone to hop on a live stream and completely, you know, flush out their entire very complicated theory, um, you know, amongst all these people online is is a nerve-wracking thing. So, I John, I think you're knocking it out of the park. You're doing a great job. >> Thank you. >> John, can you hear me? >> Are you able to hear me? >> I can't, unfortunately. >> Oh, man. Okay. >> All right. All right. Well, um I guess we'll just we'll just keep rolling with it the way it is. >> All right. So, now some people are asking to have you explain this. So, um and and actually you said that you either wrote software or you use software for this. So, who um I guess you want to walk people like through the software piece of it like how you came up with this kind of grid that shows where the the pressure and the power and energy was. >> Yeah. So I took the MT Labs, the MIT labs optical flow software and I modified it to specifically look for epicenters frameto frame. So what it's doing is looking frame to frame to video and looking on how the pixels move. Because his shirt has those freedom texts across it and u you know his shirt's white and then we have the black magnetic clasp on the shirt. It gives us a lot of vectors to to track. So basically the software is looking at every frame and it's mapping the movement in between those frames and then it's putting a red circle on the epicenter of those movements. And you can see the the the color mapping is is showing you where the areas of the highest movement. So it kind of shows you the previous frame where the movement moved from the previous frame to the next frame. >> Like an onion skin. >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. So, like in this one, is the red circle where the focus is or is that just >> the red circle is where the the peak movement happened from the previous frame to that frame >> and you can see >> movement across >> and you see the heat frame from where the text was. It's showing you the text was in the previous frame it was there and then you can see where the text on his shirt is now where where the um the shirt pulls up across his face. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. So, a quick question on this. So, this is a separate theory that I'll probably ask you about, but the electrocution theory, he was saying that, you know, he was trying to explain like the burn under his like chest nipple area, but in your stuff you're showing here, it's not that low. Correct. It's higher up on his chest. >> Yeah. And and the other angle maps it slightly different. Um, you know, because the pixels are going to be different from different angles. Um, but they're both in that general area. >> Okay. So they're both kind of by the F of freedom. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Okay. >> Um, hey Matt, would you mind asking? I see someone said >> the the shape charge theory basically is that it's not like a general basic explosive. It's not a radial force. It has a um a small charge and a cone and it basically directs a a high energy jet out of the cone. So, it's made to penetrate armor, but you can use it on soft targets, too. And it allows you to create a wound that's very similar to a a rifle uh wound where it leaves a deep wound channel, and it'll it'll even leave car copper fragmentation into the wound. So, what we're seeing the shirt moving is the overpressurization. So, the pressure that didn't penetrate the flesh basically is escaping through the shirt. And that's what causes the shirt to balloon up and move so much that the shirt that pulls up across his face on the opposite side of the microphone is actually from his necklace. The pendant on his necklace, the cross pendant is pushed down and then it can't go down anymore. So then it follows the kind of the path of the necklace and raises up across and that's what lifts his shirt up across his face. >> Okay. So you're saying the downward pressure of the explosion puts pressure down on the pendant that stretches the necklace. that force builds up and then it pops back up and that's why you see it kind of goes vertically like straight up in the air. >> Yeah. If you can actually see one frame where the cross is peeking out next to his face, but it gets caught and the necklace breaks. So then the necklace slides out of the cross pendant and the cross pendant falls back down and that's why his shirt falls back down so quickly and then immediately after that you'll see the appearance of the wound on his neck. >> Okay. Interesting. So now let's talk about this really quick. Let's talk about the um actually let me pull that other one off here really quick and put that on. Okay. So for this so you see that part the the magnetic clasp goes on the back side. So that that part that we're seeing right now that he has a suction cup is against Charlie's chest and that's the batteries against his chest also. So the if the shape charge was put anywhere it's going to be put in that gold battery right there. No, I think with the previous pager attacks and the cell phones, they just replaced a portion of the battery. Correct. >> Right. They basically took uh 20% of the cell and replaced it with the explosive. >> Okay. >> And I I believe that's what they they probably did with with this. Um they just replaced it with a smaller cell battery. Um a shorter a slightly shorter battery and then they put the shape charge in the end of the space that was left over. And that would make it so it would still function. He could still live stream and everything with it, but obviously the battery wouldn't last as long. >> Exactly. >> Okay. Now, someone is asking you to explain how the pendant broke one more time just so they can understand it. >> Basically, the pendant the the necklace was was moved by the force of the the explosion and then it crossed the path of the shape charge. So when that the pendant was pushed down and it and it it met the end of the slack of the necklace and then it's like a pendulum. It swung up and started to come out of the shirt and that pulled the necklace across and it ended up crossing that peak that we see in the middle of his chest and that's what snapped the necklace and then the momentum of the necklace forced it over his head. So that's why when we see the necklace fly up and over his head, it's broken. is a single single strand 26 inches of necklace instead of being you know a loop connected. >> Okay. Now we've had a few people asking one can you share the modified program that you wrote and then someone else is asking I should put it on the screen here. Is this a Python C++ package a fork? Like can we get a more technical explanation for devs? >> Uh it's just Python code and it's shared on my X. You can copy the code and run it yourself. I ran it in cloud 200. >> All right. So, let me share. So, if you That's his ex right there, John Bray. It's John Aaron Bray. >> And we don't know at this point what the coroners report said. I've seen some people asking about that. And I've I've tried to kind of interject a little bit, too. I mean, that's part of the problem, you guys, is that we don't know exactly, you know, what the coroner had to say, what the autopsy said, what the doctors, you know, officially said. I mean, we're we're going off of third, fourth, fifth party information. And if you're also taking into consideration things like now Candace is saying that, you know, uh, Kulit never said what he said or that what he said was made up and that the surgeon never said that. >> We're kind of getting to the point where can we believe anything that's been told so far? Anything. >> So like the fact that he had broken vertebrae, you know, and like is that true? We don't even know. Like because if you're people are trying to make these other narratives fit that now like well he's electrocuted. How do you account for the vertebrae? Do we even know the vertebrae are broken? >> And so why why the speculation? Because I think uh inquiring minds want to know and there are a lot of us who just cannot stand to sit around and wait for you know a year plus and it's just it just doesn't feel right. That's at least I'll speak for myself in saying that I can't just sit around and twiddle my thumbs and wait. I've got to keep digging. >> Yep. And we will uh just real quick hit the like button. Make sure you subscribe. Head over and check out Kelly Raybond. She's now on YouTube and I think she's actually monetized now thanks to you guys. You guys went over there and helped her out >> and always check her out on X and Instagram as well. >> And then like I said, uh John, I'll put his on the screen again. >> It's John Bray on X. John Aaron Bray. >> All right, John, we can go ahead and continue forward. So we talked about the necklace stretching down and coming back up. So the next thing, the next movement, I guess. So, say it explodes, it sends that the magnet in the in the mic start to go to the direction of the, you know, I guess the shape charge would knock it that way. Um, so a shape charge has to have a standoff. It you can't that it has to create a jet before it can penetrate. It's not penetrating with brute force. It's it's actually, you know, creating a high-speed jet that's basically turning anything it contacts into liquid. Um, so it needs a 2 cm standoff. So they they would have to design uh a primer charge that kind of um forces the um microphone away from his flesh before the the shape charge goes off. And if you look at the particularly um Cubs video, the highest resolution video that's kind of to Charlie's right or left hand side, um you'll you can see that the microphone lifts up and kind of almost touches his face before it starts to make the trajectory across his body. And it's it's it's my belief that that's the the primer charge creating the standoff space. And that primer charge is what causes the necklace to move. And then once the um the primary charge, the shape charge goes off, it actually snaps the necklace. And that's when you see it break loose and fly over his head. And that's when the trajectory of the microphones change from just kind of lifting up to his face to going across his body. Um and at that same time, we have the shirt coming down. So while we have the microphone going the m the magnet clasp and the microphone going across his chest, we have the shirt falling down and then they kind of like at certain point cross each other and you kind of lose sight of the magnetic clasp and then that's when the wound of his neck appears. So if you look at it frame to frame, there's no single frame where you can see both at the same time. You see the you see the magnetic clasp and then you don't see it and then you see a wound on his neck. >> I'm not 100% certain that it is the magnetic clasp. It could be the magnetic clasp or the battery. They're very similar shape as you saw in the video before. They're both rectangular, but I am sure the trajectory of the microphone and the trajectory matches perfectly with the appearance of the wound and the microphone kind of snaps back. Um, and you can just see kind of a bulge where it is, but you don't necessarily ever see the full m magnetic clasp again. Um, so it it's it's the timing and the trajectory is what led me to believe that it was a blunt rectangular object from the microphone that causes the neck wound combined with actual um physical, you know, traits of the wound itself. You know, it it's not a high velocity wound. That was a medium velocity wound. And you know that because of the delayed bleeding and then also the the deformation of the skin. It was just the skin was flexed outwards. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't like a cavitation from a a high energy impact. And then the bleeding was was so strange and delayed. And we can't show it here, but I actually have code that has mapped the fluid dynamics of the blood. And I've been able to actually track the rectangular object falling out of his neck from two different angles. So, not only not only do we have the trajectory matching >> the the portion where the wound appears, but also have a rectangular object, flat black object falling out of the wound from two different angles also. >> Okay. So, just to just to um go over that again in summary. So, you're saying from the explosion, are you saying like a piece of plastic went into his neck and that popped back out when he bled? >> Either the magnetic clasp or the battery. It was something dense and rectangular. Okay. So, you don't think it was like shrapnel from the mic exploding? >> That's what I mean. It's it's shrapnel from it, but the the shrapnel was was the dense object being the magnetic clasp or the the um the battery itself >> unintentional. >> Okay. So, is a Okay. So, in the explosion, I'm trying to remember who was I think it was Cameron Vance. Have you seen that video where he did some testing with a exploding mic? >> No, I haven't. So he basically he puts he's holding like a stick and he has some kind of explosive. I don't think it's like PT what is that called PET or whatever but yeah um but he has some other kind of explosive in there and he has the mic and he puts it under the shirt and he explodes it and every time he explodes it the magnet flies straight away from the body >> and a lot of people are asking like how can the how can the mic and the and the mic magnet go towards like anywhere? Shouldn't it just explode away from the body? >> It's it's because it's a shaped charge. Imagine it's it's like a jet. So it's not a explosive where it's a radial explosive where it's just it's exploding in all directions. This is an explosion that has a directed path and the only the only expansion comes out of that directed path the cone. So it's it's like >> you know like a um a rocket engine >> when you uh when you launch a rocket engine it just doesn't explode everywhere. It sends a direct a directed path in one direction and that causes a trajectory and it follows that trajectory quickly. >> So that would mean in this case equal and opposite reaction >> that would mean that the shape charge would have had to have been pointed down and away from him. Correct. To push everything up towards him, >> right? And and so the variable comes in is the primer charge where they have to create the standoff space. So, combined with the odd angle that the microphone was kind of mounted on him, it wasn't mounted it flat against his body. It was kind of like stood on its side. And then the standoff charge, which it's my belief that they anticipated the mic to be flat on his body. And the standoff charge was made to to raise the microphone directly away from his body before the primary shape charge went off. But because the microphone was kind of mounted on its side, when the standoff charge went off, it lifted it up. So then it changed the trajectory. When the shape charge went off, it basically created like a rocket engine that caused it to travel across his chest instead of it directing the charge directly into his chest. And a shape charge is 90% efficient, more than 90% efficient of directing the energy to one direction. So the whole equal and opposite, it doesn't really apply because we're sending less than a gram of metal cone in a high-speed jet into the flesh. So it's not like a bullet or traditional ballistic where you know you're sending a heavy object in the opposite direction. >> Okay. So next question. In simple terms, how would this microphone explode with enough force to kill someone? So do you think that this has enough charge to cause all the reaction that we saw in that small of a package? It's because it's concentrating. It's like a water jet where you're basically taking all that energy and that and that charge and you're and you're directing it to a very small stream. And because it it it's you're creating an acceleration because you're forcing this expansive force down a very small cone. Um it it reaches Mach 7. So anything it contacts it basically turns it to liquid and so it's a deep penetrating. It's why they use it for, you know, to defeat tank armor and things like that. But with soft tissue, it's even more devastating because there's not as much resistance. So, it would create a deep channel just like a 30 off six impact, but it would do it with a minimum amount of charge, less than two grams. All right. So, I am pulling up. This is just for reference for people. Let me see if I can share this here really quick. So, this right here, let me get this picture up. Give me one second. That's interesting how it makes you pull the previous one down first. All right. So, this is one of the pages from Lebanon. >> Yeah. And that in particular is the um the walkie-talkie. >> Walkie-talkie. Okay. >> So, now I'm just bringing this up because with the Candace Owens kind of dropped that bomb in one of her videos saying that there's a little specks, the little black specks on the floor inside of her car. Have you seen that yet? >> Yeah. >> So, the car that Charlie was in and they're saying that that might be from, you know, people are implying that might be from the explosion like pieces of the pager or of the in this case of the audio um that exploded and these little tiny pieces they're seeing in the car were from that. What do you think about that? I believe >> I'm actually the one that centered the message about that. Um the um the type of plastic that you see in the floorboard too are would match the plastic you could expect from from that device. So you have flat black plastic and then you have glossy plastic. The glossy plastic is the actual face of the case which the battery is right behind that O there. So that immediate charge would basically shatter that into you know a million little pieces like glass. And then the primary charge would would further break the inner core of the um of the device which you showed earlier when the battery was kind of popped out of the device. It's all flat black on the inside of it. and the how thin that plastic is when it would break it would just shatter into small little pieces like that from the the the high-pressure wave of the um the explosive. Like I said, it's a Mach 7, you know, jet that's going to be coming out of that device. It's just going to completely wreck anything. And it's not a hot explosion. It can reach, you know, 500�, but it does so in such a quick time that it doesn't really get time to transfer away. That's why it doesn't like burn things or leave burns on even on the victim. It would leave a wound that looked a lot like a rifle impact. >> So, it's a quick release of energy, not a hot explosion. >> Yeah, that the the quickness of it is the the real key factor. It's a it's a extremely quick burning and clean burning explosive. And that kind of explains the high energy that we see, how fast it dissipates, you know, from the shirt. It causes a huge reaction, but then it goes away really fast. >> And just real quick, just to get this out of the way, do you think that there's any chance Charlie's still alive? >> Uh, if he's still alive, he's the greatest actor that's ever lived. I mean, he he nailed the physical reaction of a mid midbrain and brain stem damage. And the way he hit the ground, you know, I have videos of him hitting the ground slow motion. It was just it was devastating. I mean, his head bounced off the ground. He was absolutely limp. >> I'm a firm I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a firm belief that he was he was his heart was almost stopped before he hit the ground. >> Well, and I know that Charles Mcccleintoch says he has an image where his neck is destroyed um based on the way his head's hanging. So that I mean I I know a lot of people want hope that he's still alive, but I'm not sure if anyone can guarantee that. All right, so let's go ahead. And I just want to check questions here really quick. We have a lot of questions. [snorts] Um I think we could probably mix some in if you're okay with that as we go through your theory. >> Yeah, no problem. >> All right, let's see. Flip a girl guri. Flip a guri, thanks for becoming a channel member. Let's see. Okay, so people asking, could the necklace have something in it like pet or something in the necklace itself? >> Yeah, I've actually thought about that. the cross, the pendant itself possibly having, but um the um seeing it peek out of the shirt still kind of intact made me kind of leave that. And then it needs an energetic means to, you know, it would be it'll be a lot more difficult to place an explosive independent of a cross and have a means to to trigger it than it would be in the in the microphone. The microphone is just the most convenient thing to target with explosives because you have you have a all the electronics. You have the battery. You know, it's going to be on his chest literally against his chest. It's just it's just really really convenient and and he doesn't have it most of the time. If his cross he's wearing, you know, all the time, it would just be a lot more difficult to get access to the cross to plant an explosive in it. >> All right. Then we have a question. How's the mic clip at his sternum? And I think they're asking that because of the imaging that shows the red circle in the middle and stuff. Did you want to explain why the like the way it goes across? >> Um well it it starts, you know, under his collar bone and then um the first movement happens is it kind of raises up and almost touches his chin and then it crosses his body. So you can see there it's in the kind of like the the midtra there. It's it's going across his his median of his body. Um but from the side view, you can see where it actually um there's a 60 frame per second video from the side. That would be from his right side that you can see it lift up and touch his face before it takes the path across his body. And that would be from the what I I think is the primary or the um the primer charge to give the standoff space necessary for the shape charge to penetrate deeply into his flesh. >> And just real quick, anyone coming in, we are talking about the mic theory, but this is probably the most in-depth version of it you're ever going to hear. And um John is also the one who contacted Candace about the little pieces that were in the vehicle that Charlie was in saying that it looked like it was maybe shrapnel from the exploding mic. And also hit that like button. Don't forget to subscribe and check out John and Kelly. I have all their stuff linked down in the description. And uh really quick, Kelly, you might if you try joining with your phone, you might be able to talk and have the conversation. >> Okay. >> So I'm not sure what else to do since you guys can't hear each other. is kind of strange, but seems >> okay. Would it do you think it would be best for me to completely drop out of the stream first or try to add my add in from my phone? What are >> I Yeah, yeah, maybe mute yourself and then add on from your phone. >> Okay. >> All right. And then John, um, more questions here. We have We have a ton of questions. Uh, let's see. Now, this is a very common one. People are asking, well, if an explosion went off under his shirt, how come it didn't tear or mark his shirt? Why is there no explosion marks? Why is there no tears that are obvious? If there was enough force to kill him, then why wouldn't it have left some kind of marking or tearing? >> And that's a very uh you know, valid question and it's it it comes down to the the use of the shape charge. Um they're made to be very efficient in directing that energy in one direction. So, it's like having, like I said before, a rocket engine where you have a lot of propellant, you have a lot of energy, but there's only one path for it to escape. And that path is through a very directed metal cone. And as that explosion expands, it's slowly releasing out of that metal cone and creating a really high-speed jet that penetrates into the flesh. So it's it's not like a a ballistic, you know, launch of a bullet where you have, you know, the the force of the bullet, you know, causing an equal and opposite force or like a traditional explosion where you have a radial force expanding everywhere, it's a very controlled explosion. >> All right. Now, let me ask you this. because of the the new images that are coming out supposedly and Baron saying that he saw a burn under his nipple on the right side kind of down by his rib. Could that be explained from the jet from the shape charge burning that just that area as it was being going off? I would say it's probably more from the the um the primer charge where they they had to have a primary uh um kind of like a priming explosive to create the space they needed between the device and his flesh for the shape charge to do his work. The shape charge is just going to leave a very, you know, small round, very clean hole. Um and um you know like the Israeli attacks of the with the with the the massage attacks with the pager, they were designed to send shrapnel to their face or someone holding the device in their hands. So you there's not a direct analog even though they used the same type of explosive hidden in a battery. It wasn't they weren't designed to explode right on the person's body or like a shape charge which would be a few centimeters away from the body. They were designed for someone to push a button looking at the pager and shrapnel at their face basically. So, um that's why we see the differences of you know from a traditional explosive. It's not something that that uh we're accustomed to seeing. You can look at examples of you know >> uh armor penetrating shaped charges and kind of see how cleanly they make the holes and how they don't they they don't have to put a backing on it. They just set it on the on the metal, right? And it it makes a big giant hole. And >> a lot of people don't realize too that it's used on a much larger scale. They use it in war. >> Yeah. >> I mean, they they use shape charges to to blow through tanks and stuff like that. So, um the technology is just miniaturaturized for this use case. >> Yeah. And it's very quiet, too. It sounds like a firework. So, you know, that's that that's the other thing about the the rifle. was like you wouldn't need a lot of sound to kind of muffle it and make it where people wouldn't notice that there was a explosion you know right on his person if just you know any sort of distraction would make it easy for people to overlook it. >> So what are your thoughts on the sound itself? So a lot of audio engineers and um audio forensics people are saying that there was a crack thump that was consistent with a high power rifle and all those things. So what are your thoughts on that? I absolutely think that there was a 30 off6 shot that day. Uh that I think there was a supersonic crack. Um you know uh all that definitely happened but I think it was more of a ruse to provide cover for the explosion and also to tie the the assassination to the pathy. The area that it happened in is so tricky because there's there's a corridor. There's concrete walls on both sides, like large flat concrete walls. And then we're dealing with uh audio from cell phones, which you know, it's they clip. There's a lot of there's a lot of challenges. And the biggest biggest thing I have a problem with is that the the rifle sound came through the PA system. If you look at the videos, all the videos that the cameras can see the PA speakers, the rifle sound is so much louder than the videos where the cameras aren't in direct sight of the speakers. >> Okay. Wait, say that again. >> The the rifle sound was played through the PA speakers. So the the speakers that were playing Charlie's voice and you know the the person that he was as taking questions from, the rifle sound was without a doubt played through those speakers. Now, whether that's Charlie's microphone picked it up or some other means, but you can't deny that the videos that are close to the speakers, their rifle sound is much louder than the the videos of the where the camera's not in direct sight of the speakers. >> Interesting. Okay. Yeah, I'll have to uh I'll have to dig it further into that for sure. All right. Let's see. Some people are asking about what about obviously the electrocution theory and or a taser. Would that explain what you're seeing with the body reaction? >> Um with one hand, but the the hand that's not holding like that picture I showed you where his his fingers are almost like crossed and you know his his knees coming together. Um you if you've ever been electrocuted, it affects where the the electricity is flowing. So, his hand that's holding the microphone, which I'm I'm using the exact same mic that Charlie used that day, by the way. >> 58. >> Yes, sir. Um, it would definitely grasp, he would grasp and hold that microphone from that electricity, but that current would be traveling through his arm through the chair down to the ground. And that's the other problem is that he's sitting on a chair that has a plastic seat and he's sitting on like a memory foam cushion and then he's on a platform that has a composite top and aluminum aluminum frame. >> So like the path of conductivity is not very good either. Um can it happen? Absolutely. I was shocked. You know when I first heard it I was very dismissive but when I researched people get shocked by these microphones all the time >> because there's a ground there's three prongs. One prong is a grounding prong. And if you if it's hooked to a PA system that's not grounded properly, anything that's amplified on that PA system can send that voltage through you. And it it takes a lot less voltage to kill you than I ever imagined. So it absolutely is possible. It absolutely could happen. But I don't think his physical reactions necessarily match that. And then there's two other too many other unexplained things like what caused the necklace to fly off his head? What caused the shirt to balloon around? What caused the neck wound? You know, it would it would be like a unnecessary addition to already complicated attempt, assassination attempt, you know, if it was done nefariously, you know, and then he's holding the microphone on and off, like what would trigger it all of a sudden to start electro electrocuting them? Usually, there's something that causes it, like someone hugs someone that's wet or they drop it in water or, you know, they pick it up for the first time. like there has to be a variable that changes for it to all of a sudden start to electrocute you. >> I think some people are saying like nefarious reasons, right? Like someone flipped the switch that took away the ground, right? That's kind of what I think that theory is based on. >> Yeah. And I I think it's absolutely doable. It wouldn't take a lot, but it doesn't explain everything we saw. >> Okay. Now, question. So, um let's see. Uh so, with the electrocution, yeah. Yeah, I agree. So that he's on some kind of either carpet or industrial rubber or like tough coat and those are all designed designed to be nonconductive. >> Yeah. >> But in so if you get a chance after this, go check out my video on electrocution, the one where it's the the blue thumbnail. But I I spent like 50 minutes talking about all the different ways he could have been electrocuted besides the microphone itself. >> But one thing that I want to point out too is you were talking about the way his, you know, both hands came up, but it was only in his left hand. And typically if you're electrocuted that hand would grip on the other one would still be free to move and he'd probably be trying to rip it out of his hand and stuff like that. The other thing is and this was pointed out by Elgeist but he had his hands down in his lap with both hands on it when it started. >> Right. >> So he would have probably stayed in that position and gotten shocked in both hands and been locked in that position. Right. >> Absolutely. The fact the fact that he let go with one hand and had it in his other hand and was moving and stuff freely kind of I don't I don't want to say it like completely debunks it, but it doesn't look good for that theory. >> Yeah, it doesn't look like electrocution to me. >> Yeah. All right, let's see. Um, okay. We kind of covered this a little bit, but they said, "Please ask whether he believes the videos are faked or not, both of Charlie and the shooter on the roof." So, the Tyler Robinson angle as well. >> I would say that there's from analyzing all the videos, there's definitely been a few videos that I'm very suspect of. The metadata doesn't match. They're made like 10 12 days after the event and then they're just so highly compressed. Um, and it's so easy to to modify videos nowadays. Um, so, you know, what I look for is consistency between angles. I know the first few angles that came out, they came out so fast after event that there's very little time for anyone to fake them. And they all happen to be very consistent from frame to frame. You don't see anything unique frame to frame in those videos than you see in, you know, any of the other originals. So, whenever I see a video that has a even a unique frame, I'm always very suspect of it. Another thing too that Jason Goodman pointed out, um, I know people have a lot of different feelings about his theory and that kind of stuff, but one thing he was pointing out early on was, um, that there was like 15, I think it was, was it 15 or 10 frame per second videos that were released, >> which that is not normal frame rate for any device I've ever seen my entire life. So, obviously, it's been manipulated in some kind of way. >> Yeah. And if you've ever done any work with like, you know, AI engine, like it wants to do less frames. It'll do whatever it can to cheat. It'll double frames. It'll do, you know, it's very lazy in its processing. Um, and to do 30 frames a second is a lot of work. So, if it can cheat a little bit and, you know, do 10 frames, then it will. >> No. C. >> Can you hear Kelly now? >> No. >> Oh my gosh. All right. Streamyard, you are officially fired. >> Right. >> All right. Sorry about that, guys. We obviously we wanted Kelly to be able to interact completely, too, but it's for some reason it's not working. Um, let's see. This one here, would that have been caused all the problems they were having with the sound that day? So, basically, would that shape charge or anything having to do with it or the setup of it or the trigger that would, you know, like they were saying that maybe Brian Harpole was reaching in his pocket and like messing with something that may have been like the remote trigger or something. Would that have caused the issues with the feedback and stuff that was happening that day? >> Uh, no. I think it's just kind of like what we're dealing with. It's just audio gremlins. It was the beginning. >> Yeah, it was the beginning of the day. You can see them adjusting the the volume of the PA system before that. Like they were just still working everything out. >> All right. Next. What about the sound of an explosion? The sound would be very quiet and very directed. So only the people that were really close to Charlie would even be able to really perceive it. It would be no louder than an M8 firecracker. And I think that's where the key of the rifle shot kind of comes into play, too. It put in my mind as you know the wouldbe assassin planning this. The rifle shot not only provides a tie to the psy so you can have your fall guy but it also provides perfect cover for the uh explosion. All right. Now before we go on with these other questions is there anything specific about your side of the theory that you wanted to cover? >> I know we've we've I think we've covered your theory overall. Go ahead, Kelly. Can can you ask and sorry we're having to play the telephone game, okay, but can you ask John if he's comfortable at one point we had talked a little bit about the timing of the plant explosion that had happened in Tennessee? Um, can you ask him if he's if he's comfortable talking about that or if he's thought any more about that? Okay, Kelly is asking about the plant explosion in Tennessee and if you're comfortable talking more about that or or not. >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Um, so this was just another one of those things that was just there's a certain amount of coincidences you can overlook, but when things start to get like highly weird, it it becomes hard to ignore it. So, the AES plant in Tennessee, their defense contractor, they're they were actually contracted to make these microshaped charges. They process the same explosive that I proposed is in this device. They actually make the very device that I propose assassinated Charlie. 30 days after the the uh you know the event at UVU, the manufacturing plant that makes those microshaped chargers explodes into a million pieces. >> Wait a second. So So say that again. the manufacturing plant that has a government contract to create these very devices that I that I'm theorized killed Charlie exploded 30 days after the UVU event. >> Almost like a cover up. >> Exactly. So, you know, um so I looked into the employees. I saw the victim list. 16 employees died that day. God bless them. Um but in the news report, it said the production manager was brand new to the job. So, it made me curious about what happened to the old production manager. When did he leave? And so, you know, I don't want to say the G box the guy or anything, but you know, he literally left days after the event at the UVU and he doesn't have a new job. I wasn't able to contact any numbers I could find. Like, it's very, very odd. Like, he just kind of disappeared off the face of the earth. So, it's like you start to get the the vibes that something wasn't, you know, quite right there. It's it's suspicious timing to say the least. >> Yeah. I mean, all of that combined, that's I mean, if that's a that's definitely a good lead to Chase, but that that's way too coincidental, I think. >> Yeah. >> Interesting. All right, let's keep going on with the questions here. We talked about that. Okay, so a lot of people are reasking this question. So I know a lot of people like we're up to like 13,400 people. Um to anyone that's coming in, we we explored the exploding mic theory and he gets into it pretty in-depth and he has way more in-depth stuff on X as well. So make sure you check him out. Um it's John Aaron Bray. I'll put that up here one more time right there. John Aaron Bray on X. But basically he's saying that the mic exploded on his chest with a shape charge. that shape charge made it move towards his neck and something shrapnel or something from it or the mic magnet itself hit his neck and he wrote a program or modified a program that showed that something square shaped or you know I guess like some kind of polygon came out with the blood as though something went into his neck and then the blood pushed it back out. Um and that's kind of where he's at and he thinks that the shot itself did happen but it was not what necessarily hit him or killed him. Correct. That's correct. >> Yep. And then um we're talking about some other things that are very coincidental like this Tennessee uh plant exploding that happened to make the same type of shape charges that he thinks might have been used in this um this assassination. So >> which is quite specific. I mean very specific and >> yeah and and I'm not sure how common those are. I don't know how many companies make those but um I've never heard of a company that makes them. So I'm sure it's probably not a common thing. All right, let's go on to the next question here. Okay, actually I have a question. So, you mentioned that these shape charges often sound like fireworks and a lot of people heard this said they heard a firework that day. That's kind of the common theme. Do you think that's related or just coincidence? I I think that from from my research, it's it the sound that you hear from it is very directional and I believe that certain people would be in the correct position to hear it before they heard the rifle sound or hear it louder than the rifle sound. Um, but I would say as a person that's been shot at, you the the rifle will sound like a firework. like not a 30 off six, but a a handgun or even the 5.56 sounds a lot like a firework. Um the the the sonic crack doesn't. That's a very unique sound, but the actual sound from the the rifle itself sounds a lot like a firework. So, and like I said, the the the environment, the audio environment there was so strange. So many geometric shapes, so many concrete walls. It's it's hard to make any sense of audio from from that event. Well, and then I mean this I know this can happen, but you can get waves that cancel each other out, too. So, you could have some problems with um phasing and that kind of stuff that can give you incorrect results. >> Yeah, >> I'm not saying this happened a lot, but it can happen. >> Yeah. >> Right. We have a super chat here. Thanks, Cinnamon Town Productions for the super chat. So, she's saying, "What about Charlie's ring? Why did it drop to his little finger and then fall off? Do you know anything about that?" >> Yeah, it's a hinged ring. You can see him in other videos. He flips it. It's like a nervous tick he has. He'll flip it from one finger to another. Um, and I I have actually have a video of it where I track it where you can see it where it flips and partially goes onto his pinky finger and as he falls over it falls off. And I track it all the way to the ground. It bounces off the ground and and falls to his side. >> And these rings are also common for people that have like high blood pressure and heart problems and, you know, diabetes and stuff like that because their fingers will swell. So, they make these hinge rings, so it's really easy for them to take them off. All right, let's see. This one's interesting. Is there a technology that can send a directed pulse of force energy into a body that travels until the pulse of energy exits the body like through a specific frequency or some other means? So, in other just like directed energy weapons and overall like what are your thoughts on those? >> Oh, yeah. I'm I'm sure of it. I mean, they can put voices in your head. So, you know, with just waves, so we're just bags of liquid. So, we react to to waves, but um I think it would be highly unlikely that they would use something like that to in this event. They they would use something more conventional. >> Makes sense. Let's see. Thanks. It's It's Sunshine Girl. Thanks for the super chat. Um someone's asking, "Do we know what the fabric Charlie's Freedom shirt was made of?" I'm pretty sure it was just a cotton t-shirt, right? Did you see? >> Yeah. Jersey net cotton. >> Jersey net cotton. Okay. >> Yeah. And it has a pretty high tensil strength. I ran tensil strength test on it and it can take about 35 pounds of force in two square inches for it to to rip. So um the biggest thing about it is that it has a lot of slack. So um and then stretch. So it can it can take a lot of pressure before it even starts to reach its tensil strength. But it is al also worth adding that, you know, if you believe the Brian Harpole story that he shared in um the Shawn Ryan interview that when he got to the hospital, for whatever reason, he felt the need to rip uh the shirt off of Charlie and then they could use the defibrillators on Charlie. I still don't understand what that was all about, but to me that's destroying evidence and sounds unnecessary. I would let the professionals do their job. >> Well, I just got a video today and it was about it was basically right when they were putting him into the vehicle. You can see that like one whole part of his shirt is like off. Like it looks like they like cut it with shears or something and it looks like almost looks like he's wearing like a white beater or a tank top or something. So, they made modifications before he even got into the vehicle on his shirt. Well, there's just Yeah. And there's no telling what happened once they got into the vehicle, but you just have to wonder, did that stuff even make it into evidence or did they throw it away and then just say, "Oh, sorry." >> I mean, >> that would contain potentially so much important evidence. >> Now, if they thought it was a gunshot and uh you know, standard procedure for EMTs is to cut away the clothes. So, that doesn't surprise me. >> Sure. But you would want to hang on to it for the sake of evidence because of the residue that might be on the shirt. >> Yeah, for sure. All right, let's see. We have K. Okay, thanks for the super chat. What would cause the cavitation in his neck? Now, you kind of talked about that before, but did you want to kind of reiterate what you think happened with the cavitation that we that we see in some of the the video? Yeah, from from my observation of it, it's it's more akin to a medium velocity impact of a blunt object instead of a high velocity impact of a rifle round. You can if you look really closely frame by frame, you see the neck actually bulge to the side, the same trajectory that the kind of the mic was traveling. And that's not how like a high impact cavitation would work. It would be in all directions and it would be extremely violent and almost instant. And this was very delayed. Yes, which we see in the range state bro video and we see in Dr. Martinson's video where he recreated the shots. You see that violent expansion every direction just like destroying that ballistic gel. >> So yes, very good point. Let's see. Um I'm trying to understand this. Additional shaped bank charges to counter the opposite directions. >> So there been more than one shape charge in it, I guess, is what it's asking. >> Charge maybe. Yeah, I believe that there was a a primary charge to create the standoff distance to basically get the space in between the microphone and his chest. So the main shaped charge could create the jet for proper penetration. It needs a space for it to accelerate before it hits its target for it to properly penetrate. You know, it's a it's a more about the speed of the propellant than it is about anything else. And when it's, you know, it's like a car accelerating, it needs some space to accelerate. And so there's definitely there there would have to be more than two explosives, but they would be so close together that, you know, when you look at it, it would seem like one explosive, but there would be two different types at least. >> All right, we have Gary. Thanks for the super chat. There was a video shown months ago that showed one member of TP USA placing the microphone on Charlie's shirt. I don't know if it's still up somewhere, but it showed that person clearly. So basically they're asking do you think that that person that put the mic on his shirt is indicated in his assassination? >> Um it it's possible he didn't know at all. Um but the that that same person if you watch their reaction right before the detonation goes off. They they look down in a way like they didn't want to see it. Yeah. They looked down like that and they were sitting there watching him the whole time. It was his you know audio guy. So, I just I just f