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Pastor Rob McCoy opens up about delivering the eulogy at Charlie Kirk's memorial service and the unexpected peace he experienced despite the weight of global attention. McCoy shares intimate details about his friendship with Kirk, revealing how the Turning Point USA founder was actually an introvert who poured himself out for others and was the most misunderstood missionary in Christendom. Now, McCoy is heading to South Korea to fulfill a promise Kirk made before his death, to advocate for Pastor Son, who has been imprisoned for his faith. McCoy explains why he believes Kirk was a modern-day Moses who liberated an entire generation from ideological slavery, and challenges pastors across America to step up and complete the mission Kirk started.
Delivering Charlie Kirk's Eulogy Under the World's Gaze
Pastor Rob McCoy describes the overwhelming experience of preparing to speak at Charlie Kirk's memorial service. Hundreds of well-meaning people sent texts offering advice, visions, and words they believed were from God about what to say. Eventually, McCoy had to turn it all off. Every time he tried to write something down, his mind went blank. Then he read Matthew 10:18-20, and an unprecedented peace came over him—unlike anything he had experienced in his 61 years on earth.
The only thing McCoy wrote down before stepping up to speak was a quote from Lincoln's letter to Mrs. Bixby, and he even got that quote wrong. Everything else flowed in the moment. McCoy reflects on the remarkable pastors Kirk associated with—the kind of men you wish God had made two of and none of yourself. He never asked to be put in that position of delivering the eulogy, yet there he was. Despite feeling unskilled for such a task, he had complete peace about honoring his friend. It turned out to be one of the most amazing days of his life.
An Unprecedented Gathering of Power and Influence
The memorial service was unlike anything attendees had ever witnessed. The most powerful people in the entire world gathered to honor Kirk's life and speak about his impact. McCoy noted this extraordinary convergence of influence and the palpable sense that God was moving through this horrific event that shocked so many. The feeling at the service was that this was not just a memorial, but a moment of revival and awakening.
The Church That Missed the Movement
McCoy has been telling pastors across the country, especially within the Calvary Chapel network of approximately 1,800 churches worldwide, that they missed this movement. These churches were birthed out of the Jesus movement, but many of the older generation just didn't see this new awakening coming. They didn't know how to process Charlie Kirk. Many wouldn't have him speak at their churches, and some didn't do anything the Sunday he was killed.
McCoy believes Kirk was the most misunderstood missionary in Christendom. Turning Point USA is a secular 501(c)(3) organization, not a Christian organization. There are people involved with Turning Point who are agnostic, maybe even atheist. But as Kirk would always say, if we can get people rowing in the streams of liberty, they're going to come to its source, which is the Lord. Kirk never hid his Christian faith.
What appealed to so many young people was that Kirk was willing to go where the church wasn't—into the public square to contend for their future. The church had abdicated this responsibility long ago, claiming they don't do politics because politics is dirty. Kirk saw politics as an on-ramp to a relationship with God. Now churches are beginning to see this, though some still don't understand. McCoy expresses being blown away that some prominent churches said nothing about a modern-day martyr, remaining completely silent.
Processing Personal Grief While Caring for Others
When asked about his initial reaction to the news, McCoy shares that prior to meeting Kirk, he had been mayor of Thousand Oaks. Eight days after becoming mayor, the city experienced its most horrific event in 50 years—a shooter killed 12 young people at a country western dance hall, two of them from McCoy's church. The entire city was then encircled by fires. As a sheriff's chaplain and mayor, McCoy was with every family member when they were notified their child was a victim.
So he had been through something like this before. But the difference was that, except for Officer Helus who was a friend, it wasn't somebody as close to him as Kirk. The call came immediately after the shooting from McCoy's son, who was right near Kirk. His son said, "Dad, please call pastors and pray. Charlie's been shot in the neck." His son had his capacity about him, wasn't panicking, and was orchestrating things. From there, they turned to action.
It wouldn't be until about 48 hours later at 3:00 in the morning in Salt Lake, after they had gone to be with Erika and the staff, that McCoy woke up and started sobbing. For about an hour and a half, he experienced what he calls a messy cry. His wife woke up and saw him crying. After that, it was back to caring for people.
Why Charlie Kirk Connected With Millions
McCoy explains the phenomenon of people who never met Kirk feeling deep grief over his death. When people took time to dig in beyond the out-of-context clips designed to justify negative opinions, they discovered something special. After the shooting, more clips of Kirk were viewed than ever before in his lifetime. People started to realize he was really sweet, had that Cheshire impish grin and smile, and was unbelievably civil in his interactions.
For those who listened to him daily, Kirk was the most logical voice. People loved that he insisted on telling the truth. He wouldn't bring anything on his podcast or radio show that hadn't been confirmed. He wouldn't venture into unverified territory or attack people with ad hominem arguments just for clickbait. He was educating his audience every day, which people appreciated. It wasn't a cult following like you see with some clickbait models.
Kirk was an introvert by nature, so when he went out into crowds, he was pouring himself out, and people could tell. He was personable and always about relationships. This had a ripple effect. Every cabinet member who spoke at the memorial had a personal connection with Kirk in a spiritual way—he had brought up faith with every one of them. McCoy has stories he can share and some he can't, but confirms that Kirk truly was the most misunderstood missionary in Christendom.
The Faith That Drove the Politics
Many people assumed it was politics that motivated Kirk. But it was an inversion of that assumption—it was his faith that was driving him. People are now seeing this clarity, discovering that his political activism flowed from his Christian convictions, not the other way around.
Charlie Kirk's Unexpected Journey to South Korea
Kirk loved America and wanted to remain in the US. He had traveled to Israel, and he did go to England after being accused of being too afraid to debate at Cambridge and Oxford. When he went, England's brightest were eviscerated by his brilliance, despite being unbelievably rude to him.
McCoy had been going to Korea for what would have been his third year when he introduced Kirk to the opportunity. A young woman named Mina Kim had built an enormous YouTube following in South Korea. In that patriarchal society, this only child caring for her quadriplegic father had created a platform translating conservative commentators like Kirk into Korean, since South Koreans only get traditional legacy media that is completely biased and left-leaning.
Mina came to America on her own dime to participate in Turning Point events, then showed up at McCoy's church saying she had been translating him into Korean and asking if he'd ever want to go to Korea. Though McCoy had no interest, he found himself saying yes. She had created the equivalent of Turning Point Korea, called Buildup Korea, with thousands of young people and church support.
McCoy told Kirk he had to see what was happening. Kirk agreed to go, despite the long 14-hour trip. While there, Kirk met Pastor Son in Busan, who has the largest church in that southern Korean city. Pastor Son was the only church that stayed open during COVID. He's ex-South Korean special forces, adored by his wife, with amazing kids. The congregation loves him, and he feeds them every Sunday in a three-level dining hall, knowing everyone's name.
A Promise Made Before Death
When Kirk arrived in Korea, the country was under a new leftist administration—President Lee had replaced the previous president, who was now in jail along with the first lady. McCoy compares it to if Joe Biden and Kamala Harris had won and Americans were two years into that administration. South Korea was experiencing vicious attacks on churches, with raids and persecution.
All of Mina's corporate sponsors were pulling out because the administration was targeting Christians, similar to DEI tactics in America. Pastor Son was at the event, and Kirk heard his story and Mina's story and was burdened by it. Kirk told Pastor Son, "I make no commitment on behalf of my government. I can't do that. But I promise you that if you are put in jail, I will call the Secretary of State and I'll let him know and I'll put it on my program."
Kirk went off to Japan to speak to the conservative party there. McCoy finished a couple more events in Korea and landed on Monday to his phone blowing up—Pastor Son was in prison. Kirk immediately asked for all the information, saying he would put it on his program, likely slotted for Wednesday. Then Charlie Kirk was murdered.
Keeping Charlie's Promise
McCoy is now keeping Kirk's promise. Though he's not Charlie Kirk, he's pushing the issue up the food chain and believes he's reached the Secretary of State. He's going to Korea, leaving on Thursday, to preach in Pastor Son's pulpit while he's in prison, care for his family, and awaken the church to quit being cowards. If one is imprisoned, all are imprisoned.
McCoy points out this is the largest Christian population in Asia, yet no word is getting out anywhere. He believes if the US is implementing 15% tariffs for nations, South Korea needs 300% tariffs if this is how they're going to treat their citizens. America lost 36,224 military personnel to establish the 38th parallel—not so South Korea could raid churches and abuse pastors.
The Mission in South Korea
McCoy will be in the pulpit on the 28th, doing two morning services and an evening service. He'll meet with the head of the Conservative party, whose five million members have been doxxed by the opposition party. He's going to share stories that Kirk would tell about courage—that we're not in charge of the outcome, we're in charge of the obedience. Rights are like muscles; if you don't exercise them, you lose them.
McCoy plans to get the pastors to wake up because they bought into what the American church had been doing for a season before God used Kirk to awaken them. They had become gnostics, separating the tainted from the holy, saying they don't do politics because politics is dirty.
How Charlie Kirk Overcame His Fear of Preaching
McCoy's was the first church Kirk ever preached in. When McCoy asked him to speak, Kirk said he doesn't speak in churches. When asked why, Kirk explained that churches don't want him because they say he's too political. McCoy responded that politics is the highest form of community, combining morality with sociability. Jesus gave the two great commandments: love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang the law and the prophets.
McCoy reminded Kirk of Jeremiah 29, which says to pray for the peace of the city in which you dwell, for in its peace you shall have peace. Christians are supposed to be in the public square contending for the sake of their neighbor. America has a constitutional republic designed for the freedom of religion and speech so people can care for their neighbor. As John Adams said, only a moral and religious people can govern a republic. Americans are the sovereign in the nation with responsibility to care for these people, and they've been given a form of government unequaled in 6,000 years of recorded history.
The minute Kirk preached that Sunday, McCoy saw something remarkable. Having been with Kirk hundreds, maybe over a thousand times when he preached in various settings, McCoy had never seen him nervous except for that Sunday. Kirk had such reverence for the pulpit and the word of God that he didn't want to mess it up. But he hit the ball so far out of the park it's still sailing.
Pastor Jack Hibbs, whom McCoy calls the Pope of Protestantism, called McCoy after hearing about that Sunday and asked him to speak on Wednesday night at his church. When you preach at Jack Hibbs' church, you've arrived. McCoy told Hibbs he didn't want him, he wanted Charlie Kirk. Hibbs said he heard Kirk was kind of political. McCoy told him to listen to last Sunday's message. Hibbs did, brought Kirk on Wednesday, and offered him a platform that launched him into the stratosphere of Christendom that some churches still haven't grasped.
Charlie Kirk as a Modern-Day Moses
When asked about Kirk's legacy and what comes next, McCoy shares a message he delivered the Sunday after Kirk was murdered. He sees Kirk as a modern-day Moses. The children of Israel—3 to 5 million of them—were enslaved in Egypt. They had been told by Abraham they were God's chosen people, but they were in slavery and had probably forgotten the one true God.
An 80-year-old man showed up who was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, handsome in word and deed, who knew how to debate. He approached Pharaoh and said God says let my people go. Pharaoh, like all tyrants, asked who is God that I should obey him. After 10 plagues dealing with every pagan god and the Passover, Pharaoh relented. They came out of Egypt with the wealth of the Egyptians. God drowned the Egyptian army in the waters. There was water and food provided every morning.
Moses re-educated an entire generation of people who forgot who they were. He told them their God is the God of the universe who created the heavens and the earth, who created them, who created marriage. He gave them moral law—the first five commandments about relationship with God, then with each other. He took them through marital law, civil law, common law. He placed this law in the center of the community where 3 to 5 million people lived together for 40 years without a police force or standing army.
This is where America's founders got their understanding of the republic. They saw Jethro tell Moses to appoint godly men over thousands, hundreds, fifties, and tens—federal, state, county, and local government. The psalmist said the Lord is our king, our judge, and our lawgiver—executive, legislative, and judicial branches. The number one book the founders quoted was Deuteronomy. They developed the principle that from moral law comes civil law—the wise restraints that make men free.
This is what Kirk was doing—re-educating America, telling young people who had been enslaved in indoctrination camps at universities across America that this isn't a pro-slavery white man's thing. This is the freest form of government ever designed on the face of the earth, and only a moral and religious people can govern it. He awakened them to the importance of protecting freedom of speech and freedom of religion, and they loved him for it. Then they killed him.
Joshua Leading Into the Promised Land
McCoy finds hope in Joshua 1:1-3. For 40 years, the Israelites relied on Moses, who gave them a brand new identity. They'd wake up and see Moses walk, and the pillar of fire would travel with him and the cloud would follow. This man was everything, like Kirk was to his movement. For 30 days after Moses died, they were lost.
Then God said to Joshua, "Moses my servant is dead. Now, you've served him and you've appointed the 12 tribes and the 70 elders. You take the ark of the covenant with the priests and you're going to cross the Jordan and you're going to take them into the promised land." Kirk got these young people out of slavery. He brought them out. But now this entire movement of young people, like Joshua was moved by Moses, they're going to take all these people into the promised land.
The promised land isn't heaven. The promised land is a place where these young people, 18 to 30 years old, can own property, build a home, raise a family and have kids, have meaningful employment, but more importantly, worship God freely. This is what pastors now have to realize. Kirk brought them out of slavery. Now pastors have to step up and do their job. They've truncated the gospel and separated their responsibility in the public square.
Kirk reidentified these young people. Pastors were living in a moral society, watched it become immoral, and were losing an entire generation. Kirk brought them back in. Now pastors need to take them into the place where they can flourish by stepping into the public square, educating them, and discipling them. That's what Kirk did—he wasn't into making converts, he made disciples.
Video Transcript
Pastor Rob McCoy, a lot to chat with you
about. You have had a difficult and a
wild couple of weeks here with the death
of Charlie Kirk. And you delivered a
powerful speech um and address at his
memorial service on Sunday. I was there.
It was amazing. What was it like for you
having the weight of so many eyes around
the world, not just the nation, watching
you make that address?
you know, I I I got hundreds of texts
from people who were well-meaning, uh,
wanting to tell me how to do it and what
to say and, you know, they have a vision
from God or a word or and after a while,
I just had to turn it all off. Um, and
every time I went to go write something
down, it was a total blank. And I I got
to uh Matthew 10 18 to20. Folks can lead
read it at their leisure. Matthew 10:18
to20. and and a total peace came over me
unlike anything and this is this is
honest before the Lord unlike anything
I've ever experienced before. Um it at
61 years on this earth a total peace
came up came on me. The only thing I
wrote down before I stepped up was the
quote from uh the letter Lincoln wrote
to Mrs. Bixby and I even got the quote
wrong. The only thing I wrote down I got
wrong. Uh everything else it it was just
in the moment and I had a total peace
because I I knew I wasn't there by my
own merit. Uh the pastors that Charlie
ran with in this world those are the
kind of guys you say, "Man, Lord, I wish
you'd made two of them and none of me.
They're just remarkable men and and I I
didn't ask to be put in that position."
Um and and yet there I was. and and I I
I certainly it wasn't something that I'm
skilled at that they put me there with
um and but I had a piece about it and
and to honor my friend and to be a part
of it. It was one of the it probably one
of the most amazing days of my life.
>> Yeah. I'll tell you I've covered a lot
of events. I've been to a lot of events
like you have. I have never been to
anything like that before. the feeling,
the experience, the fact that I mean
obviously honoring Charlie's life, but
then looking and seeing the most
powerful people in the entire world, and
you said this in your address, too, that
they were about to get up. You you
preceded them. They were about to get up
and speak. You don't see that sort of
thing happen. What do you think God is
doing in the midst of this horrific
event that has shocked so many? It feels
like God is moving, does it not?
>> It He is absolutely. This is a revival.
an awakening and a revival. I I I've
been telling pastors across the country,
especially in the group of churches I
belong to, which are called Calvary
Chapels, and there's I don't know about
1,800 of them worldwide, and and they
were they were they were birthed out of
the what they call the Jesus movement.
And and I wasn't around or even a
Christian when all that occurred. I'm
kind of a second generation Calvary
Chapel pastor. Well, they missed this
one. Most of the older guys just didn't
see it coming. They didn't know how to
process Charlie. And a lot of them
wouldn't have him come and speak at
their church. And they a lot and some of
them didn't do anything the Sunday he
was martyed. And and I'm thinking to
myself, you guys saw this. You saw God
move and now you're missing another
great move of God. Um and because I
think Charlie's the most misunderstood
missionary in Christendom. His his
Turning Point is a secular 501c3. So
it's it's not an a Christian
organization.
And there are folks that are part of
turning point that are agnostic, maybe
atheist. They don't they don't hold to
the but like Charlie would always say,
if we can get folks rowing in the
streams of liberty, they're going to
come to its source, which is the Lord.
And Charlie never hid his Christian
faith. And so what appealed to so many
young people is Charlie was willing to
go where the church wasn't into the into
the public square to contend for their
future, which the church had abdicated
their responsibility for a long time
ago. They just said, "Oh, we don't do
politics. Politics is dirty." And and I
I covered that in the message. But but
with Charlie, he saw politics as an
on-ramp to a relationship with God. And
and now now the churches are seeing
this. Some of them still don't. I mean,
they're going to have young people
coming to their church who've been moved
by Charlie's life and and these pastors
aren't saying anything like like Ferdick
out out in North Carolina. I'm I'm blown
away that they said nothing about a a
modern-day martyr just silent. It It
doesn't make any sense to me.
>> You know, it's Yeah, there's so many
things that you just said that I think
are so important to unpack. But one
thing in thinking about you and your
experience and your friendship with
Charlie, you know, I was on a plane
coming back from Ireland when I heard
the news. I was on the internet and my
phone started blowing up and it was the
most horrifying news, right? And I and I
think of you. I mean, when you first
heard what had happened, here you are a
pastor who has spent a long time helping
people behind the pulpit, counseling
people, and when you're, and I'm sure
you've had other moments in life that
are that are difficult, obviously, but
how did you handle this? What was the
initial thing that went through your
heart and your mind when you found out?
So, so prior um to meeting Charlie,
actually a little bit, yeah, prior to
meeting Charlie, I I had been the mayor
of the city of Thousand Oaks, uh and and
I was mayor prom and then eight days
later I'd be mayor when we had the most
horrific event in our our city's 50-y
year history. We had a a shooter go into
a country western uh hall and dance hall
and killed uh 12 of our young people.
Two of them were from my church. uh and
wounded a slew of others and then the
entire city of Thousand Doss was
encircled by fires and and I'd been a
sheriff's chaplain at the time. Now I'm
the mayor of the city. I'm I was with
every one of the family members when
they were notified that their their
child was one of the the victims. So I'
I'd been through something like this. Uh
but the the disconnect with the
exception of officer Helis who had been
killed. He was a friend. The disconnect
was it it wasn't somebody as close to me
as it was Charlie. And so the call came
in immediately after the shooting from
my son who was right near Charlie. He
said, "Dad, please call pastors and
pray. Charlie's been shot in the neck."
And and he had his he had his capacity
about him. He he wasn't panicking. He
was, you know, orchestrating things. And
um I said, "Okay, son. I will." And and
I from there on we just we turned two.
And it wouldn't be until about uh 48
hours later at 3:00 in the morning. Um I
woke up, we were in Salt Lake after we
had gone to be with with Erica and and
uh to be there with the staff. I woke up
and I I just started sobbing for about
I'd say about an hour and a half just,
you know, just a messy cry. My wife woke
up, saw me crying and
and then after that it was just let's
get back to it. We got people to care
for. Um.
>> Yeah,
>> it was rough.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this this has been a
very rough thing for people. I mean,
here you are so close with Charlie,
right? So, you have that personal
relationship. What has been really
interesting is people who didn't know
him, who feel like they did and who are
mourning and feeling what you were even
feeling to a degree. Obviously, a little
deeper since you knew him, a lot deeper.
But I've talked to so many people. I
didn't know him, but this really hit me.
What do you think it was about Charlie
and his mission and who he was that has
elicited that response in so many
people?
>> If you really take time to dig in and
first of all, let's say you didn't know
a lot about him or you had a
preconceived idea and you believed the,
you know, the the the clips that people
have, you know, put together to try to
justify their opinion of Charlie, which
in context, when you listen to the whole
clip, there is no position for what they
accuse him of.
So, so people were intrigued. I mean,
somebody shot him and then all a sudden
clips start coming up. More clips of
Charlie have been seen than ever before
in his entire lifetime. And all a sudden
they start to realize this this guy was
really sweet and and there's something
special about him. He's got that that
Cheshire kind of impish grin, that smile
that he has. um he he would interact and
then you start to realize he was
unbelievably civil and and now they're
getting to see a man that they may have
had a preconceived idea of or didn't
really have an opinion, but now they're
moved by it and they're like, why did
why did they kill him? For others that
were really involved and listen to him
on a daily basis, he was the most
logical voice. And the thing they loved
about him is he insisted on telling the
truth. and he wouldn't he wouldn't bring
anything on his podcast or his radio
show that hadn't been confirmed and and
you could rely on that and people love
that about Charlie. He wouldn't he
wouldn't go out into the nether sphere.
He wouldn't attack people just for the
sake of ad homonym. Uh he wasn't looking
for clickbait. He he he was somebody who
was was educating us every day we
listened. Uh it wasn't a cult or
anything along those lines which you
kind of see with some of the clickbait
models. Um and and people came to
appreciate that. And then in addition
all the work he's doing go you know
traversing the country every one of
these folks at the university had a
connection with him. He he was an
introvert by nature. So when he go out
into a crowd he's pouring himself out
and people could tell that and and he
was personable and he was always about
relationships with Charlie. And then
that that just has a ripple effect. And
so all a sudden every one of these
things is connected and everyone is
moved. And and I could go on and on
about that. Um even at the highest
levels of government, every one of those
those cabinet members that spoke, they
had had a personal connection with
Charlie in a spiritual way where he had
he had brought the topic up with every
one of them. I guarantee I have stories,
but some I can share and some I can't.
Charlie was the most misunderstood
missionary
>> in Christendom.
Well, and and I think people are getting
more clarity now, right? And and
they're, as you said, they're
discovering the videos. One of the
things I I will admit to, you know, I
connected with him in 2018 and, you
know, over the years here or there. Um,
but it wasn't until getting involved
with TPUSA Faith over the last year that
I really started to understand what was
motivating him. Right? The assumption I
think that many had was it was the
politics that motivated him. And I've
said this a lot this week. That was
really my operating assumption. and I
had him on a podcast in 2019 and I
thought, well, this is who he is. It's
awesome. Like, I'm all for it, you know,
but it's it's political and it was an
inversion of that. It was the faith that
was driving him as you were saying. And
so, in coming to understand that, I
think people are seeing this clarity now
on it. And you mentioned, you know, him
going around traversing the country. He
also was going around the world. He was
in South Korea recently um right before
his death. And that is really
fascinating. Can you talk a little bit
about what it was that brought him out
to South Korea?
Yeah. So
Charlie loved America. Um now he had
traveled to Israel. Um and and uh but
yet he he wanted to rem remain in the
US. He did go over to England because
they kept saying he was too afraid to
come over to debate. He wasn't afraid to
go debate at you know Cambridge and
Oxford. He just didn't want to go to
London stand. I mean who wants to go to
London nowadays? And of course when he
went over there you know England's
brightest. He he just mopped the floor
with those petulent brats. It was just
unbelievable how they just got
eviscerated by his his brilliance and
and they couldn't have been more rude
and yet he he just he nailed it. So
I'm setting the tone that it's just not
something he was going to do. and and
all of a sudden um I had introduced him
cuz I'd been going for this would have
been my third year uh to Korea for
there's a young lady her name's Mina Kim
um and and you know it's a patriarchal
society and here's you you got this this
this woman this young woman she's got a
a a father who's a quadriplegic and and
she's an only child with a mom and dad
and she's caring for him. She had built
an enormous YouTube following because in
South Korea they only get uh you know
traditional media legacy media and it's
completely biased very left-leaning and
and they they censor anything right. So
she developed a YouTube channel where
she would take conservative commentators
like Charlie and she translate them into
Korean and she built this enormous
following. And so she started she came
over on her own dime and participated in
in turning point events and then one day
she shows up at my church and and you
know I don't have a big church at um but
she shows up and and she said you know
I've been translating you into Korean.
You have a kind of a large following in
Korea and I was wondering if you've ever
want to go to Korea. And what I wanted
to say was no I have no interest. What
came out was yeah sure.
And because I'm the same way. I mean,
it's a long trip, 14 hours, you know,
and and so she she she
pushed me on that commitment and I went
over and it was remarkable what she had
done. She had created the equivalent of
Turning Point Korea uh Turning Point USA
in Korea. It's called Buildup Korea. And
she had thousands of young kids coming
out. She had churches supporting and the
the largest church in the world is Full
Gospel Church in Seoul. She's she's
building this thing. Second year is even
bigger. And I'm telling Charlie, you got
to see this thing. And my son connected
with Mina and and she's she didn't want
anything from Turning Point. She just
wanted to be like Turning Point. And
Charlie was moved by the clips he saw
and the work that was happening. And so
he said, "You know what? I I'll go out
there." And I go, "Are you sure,
Charlie?" He goes, "Yeah." And and sure
enough, he did. We get out there and
it's a short deal and he's going to he's
going to and then it worked out that he
was able to drop over to Japan and speak
to the conservative party there and he
gets to Korea and I had told him about
the pastor in Busousan which is in the
southern part of Korea and South Korea
who has the largest church in Busousan
and he's the only church that stayed
open during CO and he was ex uh South
Korean special forces. He's he's he's a
his wife adores him. His three kids are
amazing. You can always tell a man by
his kids. You can't fake good kids and a
and a wife who loves him. And this
church is massive. He knows everybody's
name. He he he feeds the congregation
every Sunday, a three-level dining hall
where he get he walks and says hello to
the congregants. This this community
loves him. And then he starts in March
when this leftist party takes over. And
I don't know if you've been following
Korean politics, but the new president
is President Lee. He's booted the other
guy and that guy's in jail along with
the first lady. It would be the
equivalent for Americans to understand.
It'd be the equivalent of the previous
administration with Joe Biden. Uh and
and churches, you know, I I was facing
persecution where all kinds of things
were happening. And had Joe Biden uh had
Camala Harris won and we're and and go
two years into that, that's where South
Korea is right now. It is it is a
vicious attack on churches. They've
raided churches. They have now put
Pastor Son, the pastor of Sigarero
Church in South Korea. They put him in
jail.
But we were at the event and Mina's in
trouble because the the administration's
coming after everyone that's Christian.
And so all of her corporate sponsors are
pulling out because they're targeting
them like we did during DEI.
And uh and and then Pastor Son is there
and he and Charlie hears the story and
he hears Mina's story and he's just he's
burdened by it. And he says to Pastor S,
I I I make no commitment on behalf of my
government. I can't do that. But I
promise you that if you are put in jail,
I will call the Secretary of State and
I'll let him know and I'll I'll I'll put
it on my program. And sure enough, you
know, Charlie goes off to Japan. And I
finish a couple more events in Korea. I
land on Monday and my phone's blowing up
and Pastor Son's in prison. And Charlie
says, "Get me all the information." I
get him all the the charges. I get him
everything he needs. He's going to put
it on the program. He has it, I think,
slotted for Wednesday. And then Charlie
was murdered. And uh and so I'm I'm
keeping Charlie's promise. Um I'm I'm
pushing it up the food chain. I'm not
Charlie Kirk, but I think I've I've
reached the secretary. And um and I'm
going over to Korea. I leave on
Thursday. I've gotten it to many as many
news outlets as I can. I'm going to I'm
going to preach in in Pastor S's pulpit
while he's in prison. I'm going to care
for his family. I'm going to awaken the
church to quit being cowards. That there
if if one of us is imprisoned, all of us
are imprisoned. And and the American
church, this is the largest Christian
population in Asia. And and and no
word's getting out anywhere. And if
they're going to do 15% tariffs for
nations, I think South Korea right now
needs 300% tariffs. Is this if this is
the way they're going to treat their
their citizens, we lost 36,224
US military personnel to establish that
38th parallel, not so they can raid
churches and abuse pastors.
>> So, you're going over, you're going to
you're going to continue the work that
Charlie had promised. And that is that
is incredible. How long will you be
there?
>> Well, I'm I I I've got obligations,
obviously, but I'm going to go over
there. I'll be in the pulpit on the
28th. I'll do his two morning services,
evening service. I'm going to meet with
the head of the the Conservative party.
All five million members have been
docked. The opposition party's coming
after him. I'm just going to tell him,
you know, I'm going to share some of the
stories that Charlie would say about
courage. That look, we're not in charge
of the outcome. We're in charge of the
obedience. You need to push back. You
know, rights are like muscles. You don't
exercise them, you lose them. We've been
going through this in California with
Governor Nusselini. I'm just going to do
my best to encourage him and I'm going
to get the the pastors to wake up
because they bought into what the church
in America for a season was doing that
that God used Charlie to awaken. They
were gnostics. They separated the
tainted from the holy and they said, "I
don't do politics. Politics is dirty."
And and and even Charlie, mine was the
first church Charlie ever preached in. I
remember asking him, I said, "Will you
come and speak in our church?" He goes,
"Nah, I I don't I don't speak in
church." I go, "Why, Charlie?" He goes,
"Churches don't want me. They they say
I'm too political. I go, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa. Politics is the highest form
of community. It combines morality with
sociability. And Jesus gave us the two
great commandments. Love the Lord your
God with all your heart, soul, strength,
mind. Love your neighbor as yourself. On
these two commandments, hang the law in
the prophets. And and it says, "Pray for
the peace of the city in which you
dwell. For instance, peace, you shall
have peace." Jeremiah 29. I go, Charlie,
we're supposed to be in the public
square contending for the sake of our
neighbor. We have a constitutional
republic designed for the freedom of
religion and speech so that we can care
for our neighbor. And as John Adams
said, only a moral and religious people
can govern a republic. We're the
sovereign in the nation. We have the
responsibility to care for these people.
And we've been given a form of
government unequaled in the 6,000 years
of recorded history. Charlie, this is
exactly where you're supposed to be. And
the minute he preached, and listen, I've
been with him hundreds of times when
he's preached.
I've and maybe maybe over a thousand if
you count in coffees and visits to
donors and like I have never seen him
nervous except for that Sunday.
>> He had such a reverence for the pulpit
and the word of God. He didn't want to
screw it up. And but I I'm I am I'm not
exaggerating. He hit the ball so far out
of the park. It's still sailing. And I
remember Pastor Jack Hibbs, who I
consider to be the Pope of
Protestantism. He's just a wonderful
man. He called me and said, "Rob, I want
you to come and do a Wednesday night."
night. And this was the Wednesday after
the Sunday that Charlie had spoke and
when you preach at Jack Hib's church,
you've arrived. And I go, "Jack, you
don't want me." He's like, "What do you
mean?" I go, "You want this guy, Charlie
Kirk?" He said, "Is he I heard he's kind
of political." I go, "Listen to last
Sunday's message." He did, and Jack
brought him on Wednesday, and Jack
offered him a platform that launched him
into the stratosphere of Christendom
that some churches still haven't grasped
yet. But
>> wow,
>> Charlie's amazing.
And you know, you're as you're saying
all this, I'm just listening and I'm
thinking, you know, this is the stuff
that people don't realize. They don't
know the backstory. They don't know the
history, right? And they're and they're
discovering things about Charlie now.
And as you look at where we are now,
obviously it's it's sort of a new world
without Charlie now for the movement,
for TPUSA, for his family importantly,
for you and his friends.
>> When you look at his legacy and you look
at what comes next, what do you think? I
mean, there's so many questions. I know.
But what are you what are you looking
ahead to right now?
>> Billy, I have I have such hope for the
future. I I did a I did a message and it
was a download. I did a message um the
the the Sunday after Charlie had been
murdered
and it it was a real clear picture for
me, especially for the future of Turning
Point. And I think you're going to
appreciate this. Um
Charlie is a modern-day Moses. And let
me explain. The children of Israel were
enslaved in Egypt. There are 3 to 5
million of them estimated. And they had
been told by Abraham, they're God's
chosen people. But here they are,
they're in slavery. They they've
probably forgotten the one true God.
They they don't, you know, have a grasp
of of a lot of things because they've
been enslaved. And all of a sudden, this
80-year-old man shows up who is educated
in all the wisdom of the Egyptians. He's
handsome in word and deed. He knows how
to debate. Um, I mean this this guy has
it all together and he approaches
Pharaoh and says God says let my people
go. Pharaoh like all tyrants says who's
God that I should obey him? They've been
immersed in a pagan culture. And all of
a sudden these 10 plagues which deals
with you know handles every one of the
gods small G these pagan gods. And then
and then the Passover the angel of death
of Pak all of a sudden Pharaoh relents
and lets them all go. Now bear with me
it'll make sense. They they come out of
Egypt.
They they leave with the wealth of the
Egyptians. God drowns the Egyptian army
in in the in the waters. There's water
every morning, food every morning. You
know, everything provided. But here's
the kicker. Moses
re-educates
an entire generation of people who
forgot who they were. He says, "Look,
your God is the God of the universe. He
created the heavens and the earth. He
created you. He created marriage. He
created and he starts to re-educate
them. And then he gives them the moral
law. First five commandments,
relationship with God. Then with each
other, he takes them through marital
law, civil law, common law. He places
this law in the center of the community
where 3 to 5 million people live
together for 40 years without a police
force or a standing army which is where
our founders got their understanding of
the republic because they saw Jethro who
told Moses appoint godly men over
thousands hundreds 50s tents federal
state county local the psalmist would
say the Lord is our our king our our
judge and our lawgiver. So you have
executive legislative judicial branch.
The number one book they quoted that the
founders did was Deuteronomy. And they
developed this from the moral law comes
civil law, the wise restraints that make
men free. And they put it all together.
This is this is Charlie re-educating
America, telling these young people who
had been enslaved in in indoctrination
camps of of universities across America.
They awakened to the realization that
this isn't, you know, a pro-slavery
white man's uh thing. this this is the
the freest form of government ever
designed on the face of the earth that
only a moral and religious people can
govern it. He awakens them to this thing
that protects this the freedom of
speech, the freedom of religion and they
love him for it
and then they kill him and then it takes
it this is where I finish Joshua 1. This
is what gave me great hope. Joshua 1:es
1-3. Now think about this. For 40 years,
they were relying on this man who who
who gave them a brand new identity.
They'd wake up and they'd see Moses walk
and the pillar of fire would travel with
him and the pill the cloud would follow
with him. This this man was everything
like Charlie is to us. And for 30 days
after he's died, they're just lost.
And then God says, "Moses, my servant is
dead." He says this to Joshua. "Moses,
my servant, is dead. Now, you've served
him and and you've appointed the 12
tribes and the 70 elves. You take the
ark of the covenant with the priests and
you're you're going to cross the Jordan
and you're going to take them into the
promised land. Charlie got these kids
out of slavery. He brought them out. But
now this entire movement of young people
that have been like Joshua was moved by
Moses, they're going to take all of
these people into the promised land.
Here's where the promised land is. It's
not heaven.
The promised land is a place where they
can, these young people, 18 to 30 year
old, they can own property.
They can build a home. They can raise a
family and have kids, have meaningful
employment, but more importantly,
they can worship God freely.
>> And and and this is this is what the
pastors now have to realize. You're the
priest. Charlie brought him out of
slavery. Now, you guys got to step up
and do your job. You have truncated the
gospel. You've separated your
responsibility in the public square.
Charlie reidentified these kids. You
were living in a moral society. You
watch it become immoral and and you're
losing an entire generation. He brought
them back in. Now take them back in to
the place where they can flourish. Start
stepping into the public square. You
know, educate them. Disciple them.
That's what Charlie did. Disciple them.
He wasn't into making converts. He made
disciples. That's a long story, but I
hope you like it.
>> I do like it. And when you get back from
South Korea, we want to have you back
on. We want to cover that. So, anything
we can do to elevate and cover what
you're doing there, we want to do that
at CBN. And I appreciate all of your
words today and looking forward to
having you back on again really soon.
>> Thanks, Billy. Bless you, brother.