Tom Homan Honors Charlie Kirk's Legacy and Confronts Rising Violence Against ICE Agents in American Cities

[00:00] I'm Andrew Kulv, executive producer of

[00:02] this show. I'm joined by a really dear

[00:05] friend of both the show Turning Point

[00:07] USA and of Charlie's, and that's uh

[00:09] Borders are Tom Holman. And thank you so

[00:11] much, Tom, for making this trip out of

[00:14] your way to come see us.

[00:15] >> You got it. Thanks for the invite.

[00:17] >> Yeah. Well, listen, you know, I just

[00:19] want to start with the obvious question.

[00:23] You know, you're sitting next to

[00:24] Charlie's empty chair.

[00:26] You know, you're hugging our team. I I

[00:29] mean I can see that this is means a lot

[00:31] to you and it's affected you. So, you

[00:34] know, what has this meant to you and you

[00:37] know where where where where do we go

[00:39] from here, you know?

[00:42] >> Well, look, I'm a pretty tough guy, but

[00:44] uh

[00:45] what happened to Charlie broke my heart.

[00:48] Tears your heart right out of your

[00:49] chest. I me and Charlie talk quite often

[00:52] and um I believe what he was doing. uh

[00:56] what he was doing is a big part of

[00:58] saving this country just like President

[01:00] Trump why I came back twice from

[01:03] retirement to help President Trump save

[01:06] this country. So u I made my commitment

[01:10] to Charlie and turning point I'll do

[01:11] anything I can to help this

[01:12] organization.

[01:13] >> God bless you

[01:14] >> because of the great work you're doing

[01:16] again

[01:17] to help save this country. There's this

[01:20] country is turbulent and I think uh

[01:23] Charlie brought out discussion get

[01:25] people start thinking keep talking

[01:28] because talking is better than violence.

[01:31] Um

[01:34] the day

[01:37] the day of the incident I was in my

[01:39] office in the West Wing and

[01:46] it just broke my heart.

[01:48] He was such a good man.

[01:51] Just trying to open dialogue between

[01:54] those who hated him.

[01:56] I often do the same. I I give speeches

[01:58] and I know there's a lot of people don't

[01:59] like Tom Holman and what he does, but we

[02:02] don't shy away from getting out there

[02:03] trying to get the truth out. Um so

[02:09] I'll do everything I can for Turning

[02:11] Point.

[02:12] >> Thank you, Tom.

[02:13] >> Because I think we we both just want to

[02:15] get the truth out there. We both want a

[02:17] better country. We both want a country

[02:20] better for our kids.

[02:22] >> That's exactly right. Well, Tom, I know

[02:25] that I speak on behalf of not only

[02:27] everybody in this show, but everybody at

[02:30] Turning Point and Erica when I say that

[02:32] you are a good man and you're a patriot.

[02:35] Charlie loved you and respected you. And

[02:38] when you came back for Trump 2.0, you

[02:41] know, we knew that you were the right

[02:43] man for the job and that you had the

[02:44] guts and the courage to do the job. And

[02:48] um I know that uh Charlie loved you. I

[02:50] know you love Charlie. And Turning

[02:52] Point, we still love you. Charlie Kirk

[02:54] show, we we love you. And um we thank

[02:57] you so much for making this extra

[02:59] special trip. I know Arizona is a place

[03:01] you you do a lot of work anyways, but

[03:03] I'm I'm so grateful that you came and

[03:06] made this made this special trip. So you

[03:08] honor us.

[03:08] >> Me and Charlie talked a lot. I've done

[03:10] I've done his show a lot of times.

[03:12] >> Matter of fact, I was supposed to be in

[03:13] El Paso doing an event with him.

[03:15] >> That's right. You were going to be on

[03:16] the tour. Yeah, I'll be on the tour. Um,

[03:19] looking forward to it and uh but again,

[03:21] I think um

[03:24] Turning Point's in good hands with

[03:25] Erica. I just I just had a conversation

[03:28] with her. So proud of her.

[03:29] >> Me, too.

[03:30] >> Such a strong strong woman. So, um I

[03:34] think Turning Point

[03:36] people ain't seen anything yet.

[03:38] >> Yeah.

[03:38] >> I think this a I think this whole

[03:40] organization's going to increase

[03:43] thousandfold.

[03:44] >> We're going to 10x it, Tom. We're gonna

[03:45] 10x it.

[03:46] >> God bless you.

[03:47] >> We're gonna make this, as Erica says,

[03:48] the biggest thing you've ever seen.

[03:50] We're going to do it for Charlie. We're

[03:51] gonna do it for this country. We're

[03:52] going to do it because God compels us

[03:54] and we're all committed to that vision.

[03:56] And Erica set the tone and she deserves

[03:58] a lot of respect and and she has the

[04:00] respect of this of the the the team both

[04:03] here at the Charlie Kirk show and at

[04:05] Turning Point, Turning Point Action.

[04:06] Tom, I want to talk to you about

[04:07] something that impacts you personally

[04:09] with what you're doing at with the

[04:11] Border Patrol, ICE, and that is this

[04:15] rising violence, this tide of violence,

[04:18] and it is left-wing vigilanteism, and

[04:20] it's shocking and terrifying. I'm going

[04:23] to play, this is a new clip, uh Fox

[04:25] News, Ruters University has done a new

[04:28] poll, and uh I want to get your

[04:30] reaction. Play cut 57.

[04:32] >> I want to ask you about this Rucker

[04:33] report. Good morning. uh on the network

[04:36] contagion research center. This is their

[04:38] conclusion. Okay.

[04:40] >> Users online are increasingly

[04:42] associating the memeification of Luigi

[04:44] Manion with calls for political violence

[04:47] against Elon Musk, President Trump, and

[04:49] others reflecting the growing cyber

[04:52] social presence of assassination

[04:54] culture. And Aisha, you have some

[04:56] findings that they have here on

[04:58] justification.

[04:59] >> It's alarming. Um and I want to put this

[05:01] up here. This is a justification for

[05:03] murder of Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

[05:06] And you'll see here they found that when

[05:09] it came to the left of center, 50%

[05:13] thought that it was justified to murder

[05:15] Elon Musk, 56% for President Trump.

[05:21] So just to reiterate,

[05:23] Ruters University has discovered that

[05:25] 50% of left of center respondents

[05:28] believed it is justified to murder Elon

[05:30] Musk for his opinions. 56%

[05:33] believed it's justified to kill Donald

[05:35] Trump for his.

[05:38] And I'm assuming had they asked ICE

[05:40] agents about ICE or ICE agents, that

[05:43] number would be similar. What do you do

[05:45] in an environment like this?

[05:48] Don't stop.

[05:50] Don't stop. Don't fold. You know, my dad

[05:53] taught me as a young teenager.

[05:58] Never go start a fight. Never go look

[06:00] for a fight, but don't run away from one

[06:01] either. We're not running anywhere. Uh

[06:05] it's it's amazing. This is this is not

[06:08] the country I grew up in. Um and that's

[06:11] what was great about Charlie and

[06:12] President Trump. They want that country

[06:14] back where, you know, we can talk our

[06:17] differences and not be violent. So, it

[06:20] it shocks me. It shocks me to hear that.

[06:23] I didn't know that just a couple minutes

[06:24] ago.

[06:25] >> Yeah.

[06:25] >> That this is really where we're at as a

[06:28] as a as a nation. I truly believe the

[06:31] vast majority of Americans are peaceful.

[06:35] >> Me, too.

[06:35] >> God-fearing

[06:37] America loving people. But you got that

[06:39] fraction of people that uh have just

[06:42] lost their minds. I mean, attacks

[06:44] against ICE officers is up over a,000%.

[06:48] And what people don't, if you stop and

[06:50] think about it, ICE officers, they're

[06:52] not, you know, heartless robots. They

[06:54] don't hang their heart on a hook every

[06:55] day they go to work. They're moms and

[06:57] dads, too. They're sons and daughters.

[07:00] And they put a gun on their hip and put

[07:03] a bulletproof vest on to go do their

[07:05] job. And and and they don't make a lot

[07:08] of money doing it. And it's the hate for

[07:12] them, toward them is based on a lot of

[07:14] false,

[07:15] negative rhetoric being placed by

[07:17] members of Congress, um, members of the

[07:20] media, mayors, governors of sanctuary

[07:23] cities.

[07:23] >> Let's let's play some of this then. This

[07:25] is because a lot of this right now, the

[07:27] story is around Chicago. It's around

[07:29] Portland.

[07:31] And I know that there was a lot of

[07:33] protest. I would call it uh worse than

[07:37] protest. It's riots. It's violence. It's

[07:39] intimidation. It's thug culture. It's uh

[07:41] Antifa culture. And you know, you've got

[07:44] Oregon governors and uh you know, Tina

[07:47] Cotch, you know, saying there's no

[07:50] insurrection. There's no threat to

[07:51] national security. Play cut 33.

[07:54] >> I have been abundantly clear with them

[07:56] that Portland and the state of Oregon

[08:00] believe in the rule of law and we can

[08:03] manage our own local public safety

[08:05] needs.

[08:07] There is no insurrection.

[08:10] There is no threat to national security.

[08:13] And there is no need for military troops

[08:16] in our major city.

[08:18] Military service members should be

[08:20] dedicated to real emergencies.

[08:23] The members of the Oregon National

[08:25] Guard, their mission is to stand up and

[08:27] protect Oregonians, and they will do

[08:29] that every day. But they are not needed

[08:31] in this city. They are not needed here.

[08:36] your reaction.

[08:37] >> She should take a drive around Portland.

[08:40] I just was in Portland three weeks ago.

[08:42] I was at the ice facility that's under

[08:43] attack every night. Matter of fact, I I

[08:46] became a little angry because of the

[08:48] damage done to the building, the

[08:50] graffiti. And I asked the person,

[08:54] one of the people there who's in charge

[08:55] of security, why why are we not cleaning

[08:58] this up? Uh he says, well, because we'll

[09:02] have to clean it up again tomorrow.

[09:03] They'll come right back and damage the

[09:04] property again. You're talking about

[09:06] people damaging United States federal

[09:09] property with a felony. You're talking

[09:11] about following our employees home from

[09:13] work to their homes. Put them at great

[09:15] risk. She ought to she ought to go look

[09:17] at the ICE facility. Go to the ICE

[09:18] facility and sit there for 24 hours and

[09:20] see what these men and women deal with

[09:21] every day.

[09:22] >> Yeah. You know, you're drawing a line in

[09:24] the sand. You're saying you're not going

[09:25] to back down. I just showed you that

[09:27] terrible new report from Rutgers

[09:30] University about the Magionism,

[09:32] the Magion effect, the assassination

[09:35] culture. And this was an interesting

[09:37] thing that happened last night. It's cut

[09:40] 56 if you want to get it ready. This is

[09:43] Nick Shirley who does sort of street

[09:45] journalism. He goes out with a camera.

[09:48] He gets a he gets confronted by an

[09:50] Antifa militant

[09:52] now who's a domestic terrorist and he's

[09:54] threatening him and all of a sudden

[09:55] these these lights start shining on this

[09:57] guy. So I want you to explain what

[09:59] happened here and this is in Portland

[10:01] and this is the clash between you know

[10:04] domestic terrorists and federal

[10:06] officers. Play cut 56.

[10:09] >> I have the right to be here.

[10:11] >> Okay. Did I say

[10:11] >> I have the right to be here? I have the

[10:13] right to film. You have DHS watching you

[10:15] right there lasered on you. You have a

[10:17] sniper lasered on you right now.

[10:18] >> I don't give a

[10:19] >> Stop it.

[10:20] >> Stop sticking your camera in people's

[10:23] face.

[10:23] >> I didn't do anything wrong.

[10:25] >> You have a sniper on you right now.

[10:27] >> You have a sniper on you right now.

[10:31] >> What's going on in that clip?

[10:33] Well, look, you got somebody trying to,

[10:35] you know, they think they have the right

[10:36] to protest Antifa and turn that protest

[10:39] into criminal activity, damaging federal

[10:41] property, assaulting federal agents, but

[10:43] they don't want journalism anywhere

[10:45] around because journalism is going to

[10:47] tell the truth.

[10:48] >> And they don't they don't want the

[10:48] American people to know the truth. You

[10:50] know, they want to play the victims. You

[10:52] know, if we're in a we're in a we're in

[10:54] a situation now where the bad guy is the

[10:56] victims and the good guys want to

[10:57] enforce the law, try to make this

[10:59] country safe again. They're the bad guys

[11:01] and the bad guys are actually the

[11:02] victims. He's got completely turned

[11:03] around and teaches the good guys. You're

[11:05] the victims. I the bad guys. Here's a

[11:07] journ journalist trying to show the

[11:09] American people what exactly happened.

[11:10] They don't want that. They don't want

[11:11] the truth out to American people and

[11:13] what exactly they're doing.

[11:14] >> Check out this tweet. This is uh from

[11:17] Ron Widen

[11:19] and 221. Throw it up if you can. Trump

[11:22] is launching an authoritarian takeover

[11:26] of Portland, hoping to provoke conflict

[11:28] in my hometown. I urge or Oregonians to

[11:31] reject Trump's attempt to incite

[11:33] violence. Oh, so it's Trump. It's

[11:35] President Trump who's inciting violence

[11:36] in all your ICE agents just for existing

[11:39] uh in a vibrant and peaceful city. By

[11:42] the way, this is completely garbage on

[11:45] its face. By the way, Portland is rife

[11:48] with this militant faction of residents

[11:50] that have been pandered to and catered

[11:52] to and treated with kid gloves for so

[11:55] long that they feel that they can run

[11:56] rough roughshod over the city of

[11:59] Portland. Uh what do you say to this

[12:01] accusation that President Trump is a

[12:03] fascist and authoritarian and he

[12:05] shouldn't be deploying troops in

[12:07] American cities?

[12:08] >> President Trump's trying to make his

[12:09] country safe again. And a lot of these

[12:11] sanctuary cities, they're not safe at

[12:13] all. I just said I was in Portland a few

[12:15] weeks ago. It's not safe. I saw the

[12:17] damage they do. They attack the building

[12:18] every night. And you know, look what

[12:20] President D did in Washington DC. Look

[12:23] at the crime. Oh, that got reduced

[12:24] within days of his action. He made a

[12:27] promise to the American people. He's

[12:28] going to make this country safe again.

[12:30] If that if that involves troops and so

[12:32] be it. It's going to make those

[12:34] neighborhoods safer. You would think the

[12:35] mayor of Portland and the governor of

[12:36] Oregon would be calling President Trump

[12:38] up and thanking him to come to the table

[12:40] and helping giving them resources to

[12:42] make those streets safe again for their

[12:43] constituents, for their taxpayers.

[12:45] >> 100%. Well, and let's let's play a a cut

[12:48] a clip that would reinforce your point

[12:50] here. Uh this is a Portland resident

[12:52] praising President Trump for deploying

[12:55] the military to squash this. This is cut

[12:58] 34.

[12:59] I am so happy that Trump is sending the

[13:04] National Guard in here. I live in this

[13:06] building. We actually we both live in

[13:08] this building. We've been asking for

[13:10] help for months and

[13:14] we're finally going to get it.

[13:16] >> When do you think they're coming?

[13:17] >> When?

[13:19] >> Not not not soon enough, man. Not soon

[13:22] enough.

[13:23] >> That's a That's a real resident. He

[13:25] lives right near the ICE facility and

[13:27] he's been living with this this domestic

[13:30] terror group assaulting federal

[13:32] officers. Not to mention, Tom, what

[13:35] happened in Texas where you had somebody

[13:37] shooting up an ICE facility. Is this

[13:41] how what's the spree decor of Border

[13:44] Patrol and ICE? I mean, we had all this

[13:46] this surge of applicants. Are we still

[13:48] seeing that? Are people st staying

[13:50] strong? Are they staying on mission?

[13:51] >> Oh, absolutely. They're the morale is on

[13:53] an all-time high because they're they're

[13:55] getting to force the law. They're

[13:57] getting to uphold the hold of the oath

[13:58] they took when they signed up to do that

[14:00] job whether it's a board or ICE. And

[14:03] what people need to understand all this,

[14:04] you know, fake rhetoric about who ISIS

[14:06] is arresting.

[14:08] Right around 70% 70%

[14:11] of the people ICE arrests are criminals.

[14:13] But the left are saying they're not

[14:14] criminal enough. Well, they're criminal.

[14:16] And the other 30% includes national

[14:18] security threats who don't have criminal

[14:19] histories and people who have final

[14:21] orders been they had due process at

[14:23] great taxpayer expense or order moved by

[14:25] federal judge became a fugitive.

[14:27] >> ICE if you actually look go to the ICE

[14:29] website look at the data you see without

[14:33] a doubt they're making these streets

[14:35] safe again one illegal criminal at a

[14:37] time

[14:37] >> of course. So Tom, as I said, if people

[14:41] want to get involved, they want to

[14:43] apply, they want to be a part of the

[14:44] solution, maybe they're 20, they don't

[14:48] know what they're doing with their

[14:49] lives, maybe they're 35 and they're at a

[14:51] job that they don't want to be at

[14:52] anymore, and they want to help the

[14:54] country, they want to help be a part of

[14:55] your mission. Where do they go? How do

[14:57] they apply? What can they do?

[14:58] >> Okay.

[14:59] >> What what what's do you have

[15:01] >> there? There's a lot of places you can

[15:03] go. You can go to USA jobs and you'll

[15:05] see the announcements there. And look

[15:07] what I would what I ask people to do, go

[15:09] to the CBP website, customs border

[15:11] protection website. Look at what they

[15:14] do. Look at what ICE does because ICE

[15:16] does a lot of different things. You have

[15:17] HSI and arrow. Do your research and make

[15:19] sure that you look at what their mission

[15:21] is and see if you agree with the

[15:23] mission. If you want to be a part of the

[15:24] mission this and in addition to that,

[15:26] you don't have to be a federal agent and

[15:28] carry a gun to make this country great

[15:30] again. Get involved with your local

[15:32] community and and and and educate your

[15:35] community on on the benefits of

[15:38] enforcing laws in this country, making

[15:40] this country safe again. Whether it's,

[15:41] you know, run run for city council, run

[15:44] for mayor, go to the voting booth. It

[15:46] isn't just about the presidential

[15:47] election anymore. Yeah.

[15:48] >> This starts at the bottom. So, get

[15:50] active in community. Get out there and

[15:52] vote. Use use your right and from

[15:55] anything from a city council member all

[15:57] the way up to president of United

[15:58] States. Get involved. But we'd welcome

[16:00] them. We're hiring 10, you know, 10,000

[16:02] employees. We welcome all all the

[16:04] patriots coming. Ice.govjoin

[16:08] ice.govjoin.

[16:10] Tom Hman, you're a great patriot. Thank

[16:12] you for joining us. And we have your

[16:14] back. I know you have ours. And uh God

[16:16] bless you.

[16:16] >> Thanks for having me. Appreciate you.

[16:18] Theron's ours.