[Music] one. To my friends on the left, you have no clue what's headed your direction. You have no clue of the freight train. Celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk and reap the whirlwind of truth. A weekend of football distortions of Charlie Kirk's greatest hits. College students mobilized Americans ready to spread the truth for Charlie Kirk. two national security online [ __ ] posters threats to Charlie Kirk with former White House chief information officer Terresa Payton. Three Jack Pobic. [Music] It is Will Kane Country streaming live at the Will Kane Country YouTube channel, the Fox News Facebook page, terrestrial radio across this great United States of America, but always available by hitting follow, subscribe at Apple or on Spotify. We hope you will join us every Monday through Thursday right here at the Will Kane Country YouTube channel. Make sure you subscribe and become a member of the Walia. Friday 5:30 p.m. boarding a Southwest flight from Dallas to Houston, I receive an email from one of our great and competent producers here at Willcane Country. Tough week, Charlie Kirk. Unplug, get offline, touch grass, recover. It was a great sentiment. It's a difficult ask, but after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I think we all needed to touch grass. We needed to touch humanity. We needed to have a good time. We needed to unplug. We needed to reenter ourselves. We needed to go to church. My weekend was spent largely in the church of football. That Southwest flight to Houston was to see a high school football game in Houston, Texas, where my son did hit a 30-yard field goal and recover an onside kick. On Saturday, I got up and I went to the University of Texas where not only did I watch Texas struggle to beat University of Texas El Paso, but I hung out at a frat house, bounced around Austin, and interacted with humanity. By Sunday, I was back in Dallas on the sidelines of a youth soccer game and once again talking to normal people. And what you quickly realize is there is no unplugging from the assassination of Charlie Kirk. This is not something that is a conversation on X. This is something that is a conversation in America. And I have a warning and I mean this in all sincerity and with goodwill. I have a warning to my friends on the left. Get it together or get left behind. You have unleashed a monster. Get ready for the freight train. Let's get into that with story number one. Robert Sterling on X posted a long rant over the weekend. It resonated and it also reflected my personal experience bouncing around the state of Texas. Robert Sterling wrote on X, "My liberal friends are completely oblivious about how radicalizing the last week has been for tens of millions of normal Americans. Zero clue." I'm not talking about people who are online. I mean regular everyday American quote normies. People who scroll through Facebook post and Instagram reels from Dutch Bros drive-thru line. political moderates who have water cooler chats about Mahomes touchdowns and Bon Joy concerts, not Twitter threads or Rachel Matau monologues. Millions of them, tens of millions. They're logging on, they're engaging, and they're furious. And I'll be candid. They blame you guys. They blame the left. Why? Well, in part some of what we saw from an artist in the UK who a few months ago, you might remember at a concert chanted death, death to the IDF. This weekend, Bob Villain decided to intro a song with this chant. >> I want to dedicate this next one >> to an absolute piece of [ __ ] of a human being. The pronouns was were [Applause] cuz if you [ __ ] you will get banned. Rest in peace Charlie you piece of [ __ ] [Applause] Oh [ __ ] to translate through the English accent in the noise called music Bob Villain again self-described artist in the UK said I want to dedicate this next song to an absolute piece of [ __ ] pronouns was were you talk [ __ ] you get bang rest in piss Charlie Kurt but will what does Bob villain have to do with the normal left when I was in Austin, Texas this weekend. I was hanging out with several of my friends, which I would probably in the past described as reluctant supporters of Donald Trump. Not on the left, on the center right. They were absolutely radicalized of the events over the past week. Here, and I quote directly were some words from one of my friends. I don't even want to talk to my friends on the left. I don't want your text and I don't want your call. I don't want to talk to my friends on the left. Is that fair? They're not Bob villain. Here's the issue. Context and association. For the past decade, we've watched as the American left has indulged in existential rhetoric around every conceivable issue and disagreement. Whether or not that issue had to do with crime, whether or not not that issue touched on race, whether or not that issue had been around transphobia, transgenderism, whether or not that issue was around fascism and government, every single disagreement was painted first with an ad hominemum attack. bigot, racist, transphobe, homophobe, misogynist, fascist, Nazi, and painted in an existential light. Ben Shapiro appearing on the Bill Maher show on Friday night put it well. You can't for over a decade fill people's ears and minds with the idea that every disagreement is a threat to their personal existence. News reports over the weekend suggest that suspected alleged Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson had a transgender partner, a male transitioning to female. No one has been more radicalized than the trans community dealing with underlying mental health issues. The trans community has been pumped full of drugs, pumped full of victimization. They're out to get you, pumped full of existential fear. You will be erased and then unleashed on the public. But even broader than the trans community, the normie left has walked around calling their neighbor a fascist and then saying it's good to punch a Nazi in the face. No, not everyone on the left is Bob Villain, but too many on the left have tolerated, indulged, celebrated that type of rhetoric and said nothing while the worst among them celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk. We saw the posts throughout the weekend. We saw the news reports at Fox. This memorial disrupted a 19-year-old arrested in Arizona. That vigil disrupted by horrific chance. Teachers in the dozens across America. Nurses in the dozens across America. Doctors posting online excusing the murder and assassination of Charlie Kirk. And then we look at the supposedly normal left and say, "Are you in the majority? Do you define what it means to be on the left?" A freight train is headed your way courtesy of the normies in the red, white, and blue. Today, people are playing the quote unquote greatest hits of Charlie Kirk. It's the left playing what they think are condemning comments that do in fact validate that Charlie was all the things they've been yelling for better part of a decade. They've been saying he's a racist. They've been saying you're a racist. They've been saying you're a transphobe. They've been saying he's a transphobe. And today going viral and circulating around the internet are Charlie's greatest hits. Let me just ask you. If every single one of those were true, what's your point? If they were all true, why are you talking about them? If he actually were a racist and a bigot and a homophobe and a transphobe, what's the point? Oh, really sad for his wife. Really sad for his kids. I don't advocate for violence, but What do you mean? But but his greatest hits. Let's talk about then his greatest hits. Charlie, of course, was a quote unquote enemy to the trans. Charlie was a trans phobe. You're told he's a horrible human being. Hm. Let's together watch Charlie Kirk interacting with a trans person who walked to the front of the line and took the microphone at an event not unlike the one where he was shot in the neck. Here is a trans person talking to Charlie Kirk. >> I just want to say I'm a transgender male. What age should kids be able to get things like hormone therapy? Cuz I don't know what's true, what's not. >> Tell me, are you comfortable telling me your story? I've known that since like third grade >> and I am currently 19 almost 20. >> First of all, thank you so much for that and >> so I'm going to have an opinion that very few people will ever tell you which is I want you to be very cautious >> putting drugs into your system in the pursuit of changing your body. >> I instead encourage you to work on what's going on in your brain first. I think what you need first and foremost is just a diagnosis. just someone that is going to listen to what you've gone through, listen to what else is going on. My prayer for you, this and again, very few people will say this. I actually want to see you be comfortable in how you were born. Yeah, >> I know that you might not feel that way, but I think that is something that you can achieve. >> I think that with the right team and the right people, you don't have to wage war on your body. You can learn to love your body. Now, is that a conversation that is filled with hate or is that a conversation that is filled with love? How do you define love? Maybe that's what we really need to talk about as a country. How do you define love? Because there is a large percentage of our country that believes the act of love is affirmation. It is enablement of anything and everything. And there is another part of our community that is brave and all too often rare that thinks it's an act of love to tell the truth. Here is Charlie again interacting with yet another trans individual much more boldly, much more adversarially and aggressively telling that person the truth >> through psychiatric care or psychological care. Transgenderism is a symptom of other underlying issues by bipolar tendencies, schizophrenia, anxiety, depression. Instead, with kids, we shouldn't say, "Oh, we tell them that they have a body problem." When in reality, they have a brain issue that they're dealing with that needs counseling and love and compassion. And guess what? Most kids grow out of it. You do not need drugs. >> True. >> Yes, it is. And >> no, it's true. And Charlie told these same truths on a whole host of issues that today are played out of context and with screaming headlines to paint him as just one of the things that they have done and said over the past decade. How about racist? Some of the clips going around are Charlie saying, for example, that if he got on a plane with a black pilot, he would wonder about their qualifications. The implication being that Charlie is a racist. But what he's having a conversation about is a truth put into context about affirmative action. It's a truth that has been said from the bench of the Supreme Court of the United States by Justice Clarence Thomas. When you employ affirmative action and you pursue quotas in service of diversity, equity, and inclusion, you logically create in the populace a question about qualifications. If you say X percentage from X population has to hold X jobs, you're not holding merit across the board, you're manipulating merit. You're lowering your standards. You're calling into question qualifications. Charlie told the truth about affirmative action and its implications both in reality and in the logical leaps of the human mind. Charlie told the truth about crime, per capita crime rates when it came to black Americans. Does that make him a racist or a truth teller? And which one is an act of love? The lie to continue to allow murder or the truth to try to correct the problem starting from a place of reality. Charlie was called a homophobe. He's a hater. He hates gays. Author Stephen King posted that Charlie advocated for stoning gays. Of course, he never advocated for stoning gays. And later, Stephen King had to ultimately post numerous apologies. So, how did Charlie think about gays? Well, how about when he was confronted at a culture war conference by an anti-gay Republican? >> What if if you had your way, what would you do with gay people in America? I what would I do with them? I would >> Yeah, because they're not allowed in the conservative movement. So, would you just kick them out anytime they show up at a Republican party? If you were in if you were in charge, like what would you you say you can't be part of the Republican party? >> If somebody is advocating for being openly homosexual, yeah, they should not be part of the the conservative movement. >> So, so every So, I I just want to go through the list. Guy Benson, no place in the conservative movement. Dave Rubin, no place in the conservative movement. Peter Teal, no place in the conservative movement. So that just to go down the list, you just >> if they are openly if they are supporting open homosexuality. >> So I I'm going to ask a very respectful question as respectfully as I can. What does what they do in their private life concern you so much that you have to go up in front of a crowd? >> Charlie went on to say, you don't support Donald Trump. But don't get it wrong. Charlie would quote the Bible. He would talk about morality, whether or not he agreed with homosexuality or whether or not he agreed with marriage biblically and whether or not it could be anything other than between a man and a woman. But he did so from a place of love. And that's why he had the friendship of Guy Benson and Dave Rubin and Amir Omar, who will be on the Will Kane Show today at 4:00 on the Fox News Channel, debunking all of the lies told about Charlie Kirk. All of them gay. Amir Omar, a black gay man. You see, they allow these clips. They allow the screaming headlines to defy him for the left his greatest hits. And who they want him to be. And who they want him to be is only the thing that they've called me or you for a decade. You're a racist. You're a hater. You're a homophobe. You're a transphobe. You're a fascist. But what you don't understand is no one cares anymore. Not the normies. When you stand by at best and at worst celebrate murder, who are you? Left, are you this? As we heard from the Oxford Union in the UK >> to effectively create change in the world we desire. And side prop will argue that at times there is simply nothing else that can be required other than violent retaliation. And this is a view I wholeheartedly agree with. This view, the view that some institutions are too broken, too aggressive, too oppressive to be reformed like cancers of our society. They must and they should be taken down by any means necessary. They must and they should be taken down by any means necessary. And violence is an appropriate response. See, I can ask you, who are you on the left? But my fear for you is that I regret to inform you. Normal Americans have decided who you are. I go back to Robert Sterling on X. He said the following. When these Americans see blood erupt from the side of Charlie Kirk's neck, they don't see just a martyed political activist. They think of every extreme leftist they've ever met who one calls anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton a fascist and two constantly jokes quote jokes about punching Nazis and bashing the fash. They realize that there really do exist people who wish to see them dead for their moderately conservative political beliefs, their Christian faith, and even their color of skin. They ask themselves if the violence visited upon Charlie might one day show up on their own doorstep. And they blame you because even if you're just a center of the road liberal, you lacked the courage to police your own ranks. You let modern-day Mauist red guards run loose across every facet of society. And what started with social media struggle sessions has now turned into a 306 bullet hole. These normal Americans are done. Maybe they're done taking your call. Maybe they don't want to respond to your text, and maybe they will in the future, but I think not before you police your own ranks, not before you achieve some level of self-awareness, as is always the case, and as has always been embodied by the life of Charlie Kirk, the demand is not that you agree, as I had to explain last week to to an institution that I patronize. My demand is not that you reflect my world, although my I prefer that you do, but it is not my demand. My demand is that you show basic human decency. And that is lacking on the left. And it's not a singular incident. And you know it, and I know it. and before your guard goes up and your antennas buzz and you retreat to your wall and you say, "But there are crazies on the right." Yes, of course there are always. But be real right now. Look around. Listen to your friends at the barbecue or the ones that you're seeing post on Facebook. Be real right now. You have a problem. It's not a both sides issue. If you're reading posts that say, "Oh, what about Josh Shapiro's firebombing of his house?" Not done by a righty. Done by a lefty. A pro Palestinian lefty that was mad about Shapiro being a Jew. What What about Melissa Hortman in Minnesota? RIP Melissa Hortman. We don't know the motivations of the killer in Minnesota that went after Democrat politicians. We know, at least in part, he had in his car, no Kings flyers. Remember No King's Day, the protest against Donald Trump because he was a fascist, a wouldbe king. What about the attempted kidnapping of Gretchen Whitmer, which ended up being entrament put in place by the FBI? There is no both sides. You have a problem, a big one on the left. And maybe before you can self police, maybe you need to also take a minute to look in the mirror, self-awareness. Are you harboring in your heart the idea that everybody that disagrees with you is a racist and a homophobe, but you're the good person and they're the fascists? Oh yeah, we criticize you. I think that your political beliefs lead to a state totalitarianism in the form of communism. I do. I think it can lead that way. And I think you lead with what appears to be empathy, but always is self-grad congratulatory virtue signaling. And I think narcissism is more often than not the guiding light. I don't see any real coherent set of principles. And so I have my criticisms and we'll have that debate. But you got to stop suggesting that everyone that disagrees with you is an existential threat. not just to America, but to you because you've created what I'm fearful of is a majority that can celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kurt. Tyler Robinson was 22 years old, had a transgender boyfriend, girlfriend, transgender person as his partner. He was also really active online on Discord. Should they have known? Could they have known? Can we know in the future? What else is lurking out there in the chat room coming for any of us? That's next with former White House information chief information officer Terresa Payton on Will Kane Country. [Music] Mark on YouTube says, "Will a great post on X about learning the truth about people around ourselves exposing themselves. It's been an eyeopening weekend. It is Will Kane Country streaming live at the Will Kane Country YouTube channel as we are every Monday through Thursday. We hope you will join this community and hang out with us live every day or consume us however you'd like there on the Willcane Country YouTube channel. Just bookmark, hit subscribe, follow, jump into the comments section. We want to bring you into the show. We want to bring you into the militia." We're learning more and more about Tyler Robinson. and we're learning more and more about his online presence. It's something to think about here. Radicalized online, radicalized in our culture, radicalized by politicians. Let's get into it now uh with Terresa Payton. She is the CEO of Foralus. She's also the former White House chief information officer and we're glad to have her on Will Kane Country. Hi Teresa. >> Hi Will. It's it's good to be with you. Difficult circumstances but um but it's it's really good to be with you. Thank you. I'm glad to have you. Let's talk about what you've heard so far and what you've learned. It it it seems and I think it's going to lead to some interesting and difficult questions as well, but um it seems this Tyler Robinson character was very much of an online present maybe in the dark channels, the Reddits, the 4chans, the Discords. Uh but he was there and it appears that in the days following the murder while he was still at large which was roughly I believe about 33 36 hours he was even kind of he didn't take credit but he was interacting about the assassination. You know what you did before what you do now. What do you think about what you've learned about Tyler Robinson and his presence online? >> Yeah. if if all of these posts turn out to be true and you the investigation is ongoing, so there's a lot we still don't know. Um it's incredibly disturbing. Um but but sadly this these platforms, Discord, Reddit, uh Twitch, other types of platforms in and of themselves are not bad platforms and there's a lot of good connections that can happen on these platforms. But unfortunately, you kind of have these different groups that can get started up and people can join it. And so you you splinter off from sort of sharing things like, "Hey, I like rolling panda videos or I like to play this game." And you can splinter off into lots of different topic areas. And unfortunately, some of these topic areas end up being very dark. In some regards, they're recruiting people um into ideologies. And I've been warning about this as as a parent of three Gen Z's. I've been warning about this issue because it's personal for me. This isn't just hypothetical. It's not textbook. I'm I'm living it and I feel a sense of responsibility to make sure that other parents and other uh you know teachers and other people who work with our youth are understanding this enormous responsibility we have. You know, we teach our children, don't talk to strangers. Well, well, there's strangers online. Um, we teach our children, you know, if somebody offers you a piece of candy or asks you, help me go find my lost puppy, can you hop in my car? We teach our children not to do that. But these spaces end up being unmonitored and um and almost treated differently. And so, we've been coming to this place for a long time and we don't have all the right governance and guard rails around these platforms. So, the story is that Tyler Robinson came from a conservative family. There's been this sort of online fight. Was he a lefty? Was he a righty? I think his ideology. It's still being sorted out, but it seems pretty common sense. I mean, in and of itself killing Charlie Kirk. Hence, a motivation, but he came from a conservative family and yet still ended up in this place. And I've read different things and I think you're right. Let's go ahead and frame everything in. It's early in the investigation. Patel and Bino are being very deliberate about what they know and what they don't know at this moment, but from what he wrote on his ammunition reportedly from what he said in these Discord chats, from his boyfriend that he had, from the testimony of his family members and his friends that he had really fallen into some far-left ideology stuff. Um, it makes you wonder how that happens. coming from, you know, reportedly this conservative family. Now, I don't think that means that every conservative raises a conservative child, but to really lose them to the far fringe, that's pretty terrifying. >> It is terrifying. I mean, you know, basically the evil in this world is reaching out trying to grab our families every day. I mean that that is um you know what this family is is dealing with and it's unfortunate and you know I what I would say is we have to have more conversations about this and they have to happen from a couple couple different places for families have conversations with you know this was a young man at this point but have conversations with your children all the way through adulthood to talk to them about you know how are you getting your news online How are you socializing online? What places are you visiting? I'd like to be there, too. How can I join you in these places? Um, you know, so, so have those ongoing conversations. There's not enough resources for families when they do see their loved one slipping away from them, maybe going into an ideology that is not healthy for them, either for self harm or sort of community harm. There's not enough resources for families to turn to. So we we have to do a better job making those available. But also big tech and our lawmakers in this country need to work together. There are too many instances um not just this instance but we know recently that we had the lawsuit against Roblox um because of different issues on Roblox. We have constant conversations around the addictive properties of algorithms and how maybe that's good and maybe that's bad. We're having conversations around people are turning to chat bots for relationships that may or may not be healthy. So those types of governance and guard rails, we need to count on Silicon Valley, big tech, and our elected officials who make our laws to get together and help us navigate um kind of this brave new world that we find ourselves in. Um but but there are multiple places where the weakest among us which are our children through you know young adults they need our support they need our care and candidly as parents we need more help we need more guide books we you know I work in this industry but not everybody does and uh we we we just have to have this be a unifying moment versus a divisive moment to come together for solutions. It's not going to work if only one group or one ideology says, "Well, I I think I know the way out." We all have to come together, put differences aside, and say our nation, in order to heal, we have got to find the right solution for our young people all the way through young adults and we have to find the solution. I got some complicated thoughts on that which I think I'll be airing out in just a moment with Jack Pobic, the editor of human events here on Wilkane Country. Theresa, how about when you're talking I'm just thinking about Mark Robinson, his father. Man, I do think it's worth note of least that and we'll we'll have to learn a lot more. He turned him his son in. Like that is something I I don't know. I saw somebody post um that's a heroic thing to do because if I can think of anything in this world that I would absolutely do anyone anything for and it's my children you know I mean at some point I would even be like you know right and wrong are secondary to my undying loyalty and and purpose on this earth to continue the safety of my children and here's a man who saw that's not the right move here I have to turn in my child and we'll learn more but just for a moment I just want I can't imagine God, I can't imagine what that man had to go through. >> I can't. And I I just you know the first thing I thought um you know after this happened I thought about Charlie and his family and everybody who had to witness this horrific murder assassination is I thought oh the the family of whoever did this be because the the loss and the tragedy of you have a loved one who somehow got ripped away from you and your core values and and did something like this And uh I I can only imagine what his siblings and his mom and dad and and others are going through right now. >> Let me read you this comment from YouTube, Teresa. It's from somebody entitled Young Wolf. Just being on the internet doesn't radicalize you. It's a huge part, but obviously much more to it than that. And then he goes on to post, "How do you go from a presidential scholarship to college to dropping out in six months and assassinating Charlie Kirk?" It is an interesting question and it does tie into what I started my show with today and that is just this toxic soup of rhetoric coming from even the highest levels of office on the left um about calling your political opponents fascist and Nazis and racist and homophobes and bigots and then repeated through educational institutions from like teachers and so forth all the way throughout just that's the point. It's pervasive and it is everywhere on the left. And I'm sure his online presence at some point played a role as well. But he's swimming even in Utah in a toxic soup of I don't know at least validation and maybe even a charge a charge that this is the path you should pursue murder. One of the things that uh in in studying this for years and and I wrote about this in my in my book Manipulated is that um because we don't spend enough time teaching critical thinking skills and digital citizenship K through 12 and on and again equipping parents to be able to have these conversations at the dinner table. It is the person who posted that uh comment. You're absolutely right. Um, being online and the ability to communicate and collaborate online in and of itself is not a bad thing, but because we skip over digital citizenship and we skip over making sure people have critical thinking skills, um, then it and if you if you don't know what to believe, then it makes you open to believing anything, which is how propaganda manipulation campaigns can happen. And a manipulation campaign can be um you know anything from you should go to bed early and you should uh be a health nut all the way through a very damaging ideology which leads to somebody thinking murder is an option which it which murder is never the answer. And so because we're missing that in this country it opens up people to the ideology and manipulation. So you're right. Uh most people who either uh were raised or just sort of have critical thinking skills or uh understand sort of the guard rails of digital digital citizenship. They are typically not going to be radicalized. But something happened here. We don't know. We may never know >> what happened to take somebody who had a scholarship to college so off the rails to take another human being's life. Um we we don't know what happened and we we may never know but that's what's missing in this country. Digital citizenship, critical thinking skills and again the governance and guard rails to help parents navigate this this uncertainty uh laws, group moderation, content moderation, way more can be done. And each time something horrible like this happens, we all ask questions. We have a dialogue about it. But sadly, I have to say what's changed. >> Yeah. >> Other than our broken hearts are broken again. >> Something is going to be answered. >> Yeah. I I think that question will be answered in the coming weeks and perhaps months. Something is going to change. I feel pretty confident in that. Something is going to change. I don't know that it's for the better. I don't know that it's for the worse. But this does feel like, not to be too cute, a turning point. All right. Terresa Payeyton, CEO of Foralus, former White House chief information officer. Thanks for being with us here today on Will Kane Country. >> Thanks for having me on. >> You bet. Earlier today, I was on television and one of the hosts said to me, "Will I hope you will be a voice, you know, people are going to turn to you in this moment. I hope you have a voice that brings us together, that unifies us." And I hear Teresa right there, you know, um say, you know, this is going to be an issue that we all get in on. We all, you know, Charlie Kirk's big thing was that he didn't moderate the truth for a false consensus. He did it with a smile. He was a happy warrior. He told really uncomfortable truths and that came off as controversial or even provocative and it offended the sensitive. Um, and I think that's the path. There will be no unity built upon a lie. There will be no unity. You might get a momentary false kumbaya, but you won't get any unity if we don't acknowledge the truth. And right now, the truth does not require both sides. The truth requires the truth about the left. That with Jack Pobic when we come back on will country. [Music] Charlie always listened and was respectful, says Nate Brown on YouTube. I've seen others say, "You don't want to see what comes after Charlie." On that, perhaps. The Onyx Codec says, "I don't think controversial figures on the right should be cancelceled, but I believe it's wise for everyone else to keep an eye on them, otherwise they might screw things up for the entire movement." I don't fully understand that comment, and I don't see the problem right now. On the right, it is Willcane Country streaming live at Fox News Facebook. the Will Kane Country YouTube channel, Spotify, and Apple. Joining me now, and I'm really glad to have him because I think it's a first, long wanted, first appeared now, is a senior editor at Human Events and the author of Bulletproof, the truth about the assassination attempts on Donald Trump. It is Jack Pobic. What's up, Poso? >> Hey, Will. Hope you're doing uh hope you're doing well. I'm glad to glad to be on here and glad to see you're out there telling the story of of of our good friend. Thank you, man. I know you guys were good buddies and I'm really sorry for your loss. Um, and uh, I know everyone's hearing that a lot, but you know, it just can't be overstated that you're doing a job. You're doing what you're supposed to do. You're continuing on with a fight. You also lost one of your good friends. And I saw I think I just saw a clip. I don't think it may have aired, Jack. I'm not sure, but I think you sat down and did an interview with CNN, which is kind of shocking on its own. >> Yeah, I did. >> But you did. and and and I saw the host say something to you like I can't remember it. She may have been doing the both sidesism thing, you know, she might have been doing been doing the political rhetoric thing and your response was, "Well, my friends in a box." >> Yeah. Um well, I I I think she was she was better than than some of the you know, kind of hosts have been out there saying, you know, kind of trying to play blame both sides and play those games. Uh she the way she asked it was, you know, are we in a war? And and that's that's when I responded like that. I said I said they put my friend in a box and >> well, I don't want to be in a war. I I don't want to be in a civil war. I don't want to be in a situation where there's >> where there's bullets flying here in the United States. But, you know, as as a Catholic father who's got kids in in a Catholic school, you know, we started this month with that shooting which, you know, led to armed police at every Catholic school in I think this country, mine included, and having to be there uh as well at our our first mass of the year going into the year. And then just I don't even having trouble keeping track of time, but I think it's just a week or like like less than a week later, you know, this happens and I have to explain to my boys that that Mr. Charlie isn't going to be around anymore and and God called him up to heaven. And it's, you know, even, you know, it beyond what what my own feelings are, it's just I don't even know how to explain this to my kids having to grow up in in a world like this where this stuff keeps happening over and over. >> Yeah. I don't I don't know either. And I can hear, you know, I think I know where you are. I consume a lot of your content, Jack. We we message here and there and I respect your work and and I can hear the struggle in two things. Obviously, you can hear the personal struggle, but like where we go from here as well, you know, I I can hear that struggle. I mean, I don't I don't want a civil war. Um but I'm not e easily doing the thing that I'm supposed to do to satisfy the requirements of being a good unifier of the country, which is to do this pretense of this both sidesism. Yeah, there's extreme rhetoric on the right and yeah, you're going to always find people that take positions that but the issue is that this is a pervasive problem on the left. It's a rhetorical problem, a cultural problem, a leadership problem that has inculcated >> inculcated a a climate where yeah, we're personally shocked, but I don't even know how professionally shocked I am that something like this ultimately happened. No, I mean as as shocking and as emotional as it's it's not it's not surprising. Surprise is not an emotion or or feeling that I've had at all. It's you know when it when it happened you know I sort of I think like a lot of us a a certain profile popped into our minds and then as the pattern uh continued we saw that the you know the some of the facts slightly off you know but it it it generally fits a certain pattern that we've seen going on Nashville Minneapolis uh now here in uh in in Utah just outside Provo Utah and you know I think when and they they asked me as well on CNN, they said they said, "What do you feel about these calls for unity? Do you want a unity?" I said, "Of course, of course I do." And you know, that's why what's the conservative response been? I said, "The conservative response has been prayer vigils. We've got I'm I'm sitting here in Turning Point headquarters. We've got a a massive 24/7 prayer vigil that's going on. Completely spontaneous, completely uh which, you know, uh self-organizing, which which Charlie would be thrilled about, by the way, to see that that people are just getting up and doing things on their own. That's that's literally what Charlie spent his entire life trying to inspire. And uh and and he did it. He you know, we're we are in the turning point now. And though what I would say though is though there's a certain percentage that doesn't want to unite and there's a certain percentage that has no interest in unity because they've lost touch with humanity. They've lost touch with what it means to be human with what it means to live in reality. They've disassociated with that reality. And you can you could come up with all the psychological reasons, but you know what we do need here is a a similar response. And I I've been saying this a long time uh with with the Minneapolis shooter and it's I think it's the same here. You know, we used to have a problem, Will, and I actually just heard, you know, in the promo during the break, um serial killers, serial killers were a huge problem in America. And this was a a phenomenon that seemed to pop up out of nowhere. And what did we do as a country? We we set up our our best minds. And there's there's TV shows about this and documentaries, criminal minds, you know, behavioral science units. And they what do they do? They work with law enforcement and they figure out what makes these people tick and they work to prevent these things from going on to have early intervention with people who might be sliding down that path of disassociative with by which by the way very much includes disassociation with identity because that is considered a break with reality psychologically. And when so and when you have disassociative personality disorder uh that can lead you towards all of these very very dark places. And so look what needs to be done it absolutely needs to be law enforcement because regardless of where you are left, right, middle, you know, moderate, etc. independent, libertarian, we should all be able to agree that these types of violent acts have no place in our society. and this murderous left-wing cancer that is celebrating them. And I I I was just I I didn't realize, but I was going to have a debate with a, you know, a leftist this morning who was just he was mocking Erica. He was mocking the children. Um not even going to say his name, but he was he was laughing the entire time and he said, "Well, it's all Trump's fault. It's all Trump's fault." Uh Will, they've lost touch with what it means to be human. And you know, there's something where absolutely the naming, the shaming, the humiliating. I think that's part of it. But if people cross that line and start calling for violence, that's where law enforcement's got to come in. >> Did you have that debate, Jack? >> Yes. Yeah, we it's just we just taped it. >> Wow. And that was the reaction. And by the way, because you said this, my curiosity, you're there right now. You're at Turning Point headquarters. Yeah. >> Tell me how it feels and what the sentiment is behind the scenes at Turning Point. >> You know, it's it's weird. Um I I I talk a lot for for you know, a living, I guess, and I can't even find the right word for this, but everything looks the same, but it it all feels wrong. It um haunted, for lack of a better word. It just just feels haunted. I mean, I don't mean haunted by Charlie, but just haunted by something like like something is off a a darkness, you know? I can look at the same chair that I sit in when when I do the show or the same camera, the same, you know, equipment, whatever, but it's not the same because something's wrong. And >> and I know what that something is. that something is that my my friend's not going to burst through the door, full of energy and and life and saying, "Jack, is is the live stream up? Are we up? Are we going? What are people in the comments saying? Let's go. What's the list of topics for today?" >> Right? >> And you keep waiting for that, but there's that other sense that you know it's it's never going to happen again. Um, a moment ago you were talking about the way we dealt with ser serial killers and um I mean I love that show Mind Hunter. That might have been the one you were thinking of like like Mind Hunter, Criminal Minds was I think the >> Exactly. And and and they of course they they canled Mind Hunter because it was too good. >> It was so good. Right. I keep waiting for a new season to come out. I didn't know it'll be never will. Um but you know, you bring that up and it's interesting. It's interesting that you take that tact and and you're obviously right. I also wonder, you know, kind of knowing you, Jack, like, okay, what I feel like to at least some extent you're you're addressing there is that ultimately we're going to have to address the specifics of the trans issue. We're going to have to address the the specifics of taking a percentage of the population of people, you know, injecting a social contagion on top of a mental illness, injecting drugs and hormones into it, then victimizing them, telling them the world's out to get them, and then ultimately suggesting it's an existential threat and that they are going to be erased. That's how you create an army of people ready to do violence. It's a logical stream of events. That's where it goes. However, only that's and I think you would agree, Jack, that's only part of the problem. Like the other part of the problem is that the left has really taken that entire soup as well and used it at large. Maybe not the hormones, right? But the existential threat, the the victimization on every single issue, creating a population of people that feel like opposing you and opposing me, set aside opposing Donald Trump, and most importantly, opposing their neighbors, that's what I feel like has been revealed in the celebration of Charlie's death. Opposing their neighbors is existential and therefore ultimately violent. Look, how many people out there who have have lost, you know, friends, close friends, colleagues, family members, um because of politics, um you know, no, you know, they don't even send you a text on your birthday or Christmas, they don't show up Thanksgiving, they don't sit around the table anymore. And and that's where it starts, right? It starts with this idea that well, we can't associate with those people anymore. we have to shun them and then shunning eventually turns to censoring because those those people well well they must be getting brainwashed somewhere. So the censorship comes from there >> and then that gets ratcheted up to arrests and what did we see? We saw the arrest of presidential candidates. Uh we saw the arrests of uh patriots, the arrests of uh people like Bannon Navaro last year, >> Catholics getting investigated. uh it just goes on down the line and then suddenly you lose political power and it's it becomes well what else can we do? Well, the most radical which which are used by the left the most radical and the most mentally unstable then you put a gun in their hands and you say there's Charlie Kirk and he's the one who's causing all these problems. And you don't need a planning meeting will you don't need someone to sit down and walk them through it. They've already pre-arranged all that and all you need is just to wait for Charlie Kirk to announce his tour dates and you go find a roof. And so they've they've systematically done this. And that's where the cancer I think begins with going all the way back to the beginning and saying that it's not that we have a disagreement of opinion. It's that you are something less than if you're a conservative, if you're a Trump supporter, or you know, any of the the list of things that we're talking about. That's also why, by the way, you talked about the victimization culture. That's also why you see this rush from even very mainstream media publications to try to make it out as if Charlie is not a victim. Um that that Charlie was not victimized, that somehow he was asking for it, that somehow he himself was to blame. Because if Charlie is a victim, then that means there must be a perpetrator and that means there must be a killer. And suddenly if Charlie is a victim that would repudiate the entire infrastructure and the moral superructure of everything the left has been doing for the last 15 years. >> Right. Right. Wow. And in that way his death and people have said this Charlie's death will make him more powerful than even he was at this point in his life. And I say at this point because who knows where Charlie was going to go and what Charlie's going to do. But now, and Erica said this, his death is going to I I mean, do you know how many people I've gotten texts from? I spent I'm not talking about people in politics. I'm talking about like again normies, right? Um I spent the whole weekend scrolling Charlie videos. Like people, if you didn't know who he was, you do now. and this attempt to quote unquote play his greatest hits of, you know, taking him out of context or attaching some some ad homonym slur to him, whatever it may be. I don't think it's going to work because I think people are actually consuming a lot of Charlie. >> Yeah, they are. Um, look, God God is clearly working. He's clearly using Charlie as an instrument. There's no question about that in my mind. And and you're right, it's it's the effect not on, you know, those people who engage in the sort of political class. Uh, everybody in in that world, both sides knew and know who Charlie was, but it's it's on the vast, you know, kind of middle of the road normie population out there all around the world really, um, that that wasn't really engaging with political content. Suddenly here they see Charlie for the first time. And but you have to juxtapose it too because remember well they're seeing those videos right after they saw the last video. So they saw the last video which is horrific and disgusting and violent and it and it makes everyone sick and they say okay that horrible thing happened. This is maybe the first case of mass PTSD that we've ever seen in the whole world. You know this this this guy gets killed and in the most gruesome way possible. And and then they turn back and they say why? They say, "Why?" Because they they want to answer the question, "Why did this happen? What what was this guy preaching?" And then you go and look at all of the videos and it just doesn't match up with what the media is telling you. Because here they see a guy, he's Yeah. He's, you know, he stands bold. He's conservative obviously, but it's very middle of the road, uh, normal conservatism and and faith. And he's talking about faith. He's talking about marriage. He's talking about kids. He's talking about uh you know lowering taxes and getting government out of your way and you know setting up a society where everyone can be successful and and regardless of you know what anyone wants to say about the beliefs he's just talking. He's just he's just talking. He's he's sitting there with a microphone talking and he's >> offering people the chance to talk with him even if they disagree. >> On that note, Jack, I am not interested in the conversation of who replaces Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk is irreplaceable. You do what you do. I do what I do. We reach the people we reach. Charlie really reached I I spent the weekend, Jack. I went to the Texas Longhorns game. I actually even went to a frat house, not because I'm an old man wanting to hang out with 18-year-olds, because I actually had a son who was there and so forth. And you just kind of look across it, you know, and you're like, man, these are the ones that Charlie reached. It's incredible, right? Like, it's truly incredible. And I don't know how >> Oh, it's so generational, man. And I don't know I don't know how that continues. How do you continue reaching that generation which if anything right now not just once but needs more of that message. >> Well, you know that's and I that's that's what Erica had to say the other night and and I was I was there you know in the in the very next room. You know I was she was in the studio. I was in the booth and you know when she said that she said the best way to honor Charlie is to continue his mission and the best way to do that is just do what he always said. you know, Turning Point was always meant to be an institution that survived and lived, you know, sort of beyond Charlie and, you know, he would have gone off to do whatever he was going to do. And well, now he's on he's on God's mission now, I guess, God's assignment, God's task. But, you know, the the goal I think is, and you know, Laura asked me this the other day. She said she said, "Well, who's the next Charlie Kirk?" And I think I think if somebody asked Charlie that, he would say, "You are right. You anyone can be. You you don't don't be the next Charlie Kirk. Just be the next you and find a table and set it up in your park or on your campus or find a chair and and a megaphone, whatever it is, and just go and do this and get active and be that light against this sea of darkness that we're currently seeing. And you can do it, too. And oh, by the way, if you want some if you want to join with others, then then Turning Point's going to be there. And I mean, Erica, and I've I've seen her, you know, a number of times since this has happened. She's I mean, I can't imagine, you know, you know, I'm not going to say she's good, but she's strong. She's so strong. And >> it's it's been incredible to to watch her be risen up by God in this moment, too. And I really think that, you know, people are saying that video with Erica was Erica in an in an empty chair, and I said, I I don't think so, cuz I I think Charlie was right there with her. >> That is that is poetic. That is incredible. As is the image of a sea of a of thousands of tables set up across college and high school campuses. You >> what Charlie wanted >> being Charlie Kirk. Um, I'm not going to make a promise, Jack, but you know, in that spirit maybe of, you know, crossing lines or going into a place where I feel uncomfortable, maybe one day I'll take you up on that invitation to an Eagles game. I can't imagine it, but uh, I can't think of a less safe place for me than an Eagles game. >> Look, I mean, you want to hang out with Will, you want to hang out with you want to hang out with winners, so you might as well. [Laughter] Oh, the guys in the studio like that one, Jack. Okay. Uh, as we love your content, man. I love I love it everywhere that you are. Um, human events, bulletproof the book with Steve everywhere you are. Thanks so much for hanging out with us today, Jack. I hope it's I hope we do it again soon. >> Like I'd love to. Well, thank you very much. >> All right, hang in there, buddy. All right, there we go. I think this will be a week of a lot of reflection, but I really mean this today. I mean this. I know how it feels to have something laid at your feet. I know that blame makes one step back or get defensive in posture. But as we have a week of self-reflection, I do have friends on the left. I think you have to have some deep look into the mirror right now. The right's not perfect. It's not. But you know what we will do for sure? We'll have our debate. What will you do left? That's going to do it for us today on Will Kane Country. We'll be back again here tomorrow, same time, same place. Streaming live Will Kane Country YouTube channel, Spotify and Apple. I'll see you next time. [Music]
