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Alex Newman Exposes Deep State Attack on Turning Point USA Following Charlie Kirk's Assassination
Alex Newman examines the targeted assault on Turning Point USA in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's tragic death. Kirk built a movement that awakened millions of young Americans to threats posed by globalism, the administrative state, and institutional indoctrination. Newman argues that Kirk's effectiveness in deprogramming youth from government school propaganda made him a prime target. At the first major AmericaFest gathering since Kirk's passing, deep divisions erupted, divisions Newman attributes to infiltration tactics designed to fracture the conservative coalition. From Nick Fuentes promoting authoritarian ideology to mainstream media amplifying infighting, the deep state playbook appears in full effect. Newman draws on his personal work with Kirk and Turning Point USA to reveal why this movement remains under siege.
The Movement That Threatened the Establishment
In recent years, a movement emerged that posed a genuine threat to the deep state and establishment power. At its center stood Charlie Kirk, the young and charismatic leader who built Turning Point USA into a massive institution dedicated to awakening young Americans. Kirk understood the nature of the threats facing the nation: the deep state, globalism, constitutional erosion, and the systematic indoctrination of youth through government schools.
Alex Newman, senior editor at The New American Magazine, worked closely with Kirk and spoke at several Turning Point USA events, including keynote addresses. Following Kirk's assassination, Newman authored a special tribute in The New American examining both Kirk's legacy and the nature of the battle he fought. What made Kirk particularly dangerous to the establishment was his ability to deprogram millions of young people who had been indoctrinated by institutions misleadingly referred to as public education.
Kirk's influence extended across all demographics and political spectrums. In the days following his death, actress Jenny McCarthy revealed that Kirk's assassination led her to fully surrender her life to Jesus Christ—a testament to the spiritual impact of his work. The movement Kirk built, or more accurately that God built through Kirk, represented a major threat to the deep state agenda and remains so today.
Kirk's Understanding of the Deep State
Kirk possessed a clear understanding of the administrative state and intelligence apparatus operating above constitutional authority. In discussions about the deep state, he articulated two distinct categories of bureaucratic resistance. The first consisted of departments like Education and Labor—agencies that primarily leak and delay but lack the capability for serious offensive operations.
The second category represented a far more dangerous threat: intelligence agencies including the CIA and FBI. These entities, Kirk explained, don't simply obstruct—they actively configure their operations against the sovereign, employing dirty dossiers, domestic spying, special agents, and foreign intelligence partnerships through arrangements like Five Eyes to circumvent legal restrictions on surveilling Americans.
Kirk warned that without focused energy on dismantling this administrative state, the nation would have elections in name only. He understood that a super government operates above Congress, consisting of the Department of Defense, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation—entities that truly run the country while elected representatives serve as little more than a peanut gallery.
The Central Intelligence Agency, Kirk noted, actively engages in domestic mind manipulation in direct violation of its charter. This super government operates with neither accountability nor connection to the wants, needs, and concerns of everyday Americans. In fact, Kirk argued, this oligarchy holds the American people in contempt.
The Demonic Nature of the Threat
Kirk recognized that the threat facing America was demonic at its core. In an appearance on Newman's program approximately ten months before his martyrdom, Kirk stated plainly that the threat is demonic in nature, with woke ideology taking the form of an unclean spirit. This spiritual discernment set Kirk apart from many conservative commentators who focus exclusively on political or economic dimensions of cultural conflict.
Kirk also identified the red-green axis—the alliance between Marxists who have infiltrated government and Islamists entering Western nations. Despite their many disagreements, these forces unite around a shared hatred of the West and a common goal of breaking it. Kirk saw this pattern playing out particularly clearly in Britain, where the combination of these ideologies posed an existential threat to Western civilization.
Understanding the spiritual dimension of the battle informed Kirk's approach to building Turning Point USA. The organization developed multiple divisions including Turning Point Faith, led by Lucas Miles as senior director, to address the supplanting of a dominant Christian worldview with pagan ideology designed to prepare Americans for Marxist ideology. Miles explained that Marxism and Christianity are fundamentally antithetical, and while progressive Christianity attempted to merge these incompatible worldviews, Marxism ultimately requires a different vehicle—which it has found in various forms of paganism including witchcraft, occultism, and other practices.
The Government School Indoctrination System
One of Kirk's primary focuses was exposing the indoctrination of children through government schools. He understood that this represented one of the main weapons in the arsenal of demonic forces working against freedom and traditional values. Kirk's analysis went deep into the historical roots of the modern education system, identifying it as Prussian at its core—designed to create an obedient, subservient population rather than free-thinking citizens.
Kirk argued that the fundamental premise of modern education is wrong. Children are not something to be engineered or configured according to state specifications. Rather, they should be allowed to grow into what they ought to be, with direction and guidance that helps them love learning above all else. The classical form of education, rooted in what is good, true, and beautiful—focused on the eternal rather than the temporal—represented the model Kirk advocated.
The solution, according to Kirk, required a renaissance and revival of homeschooling in America. He took the radical position that government has no role in education whatsoever, recognizing that government involvement in education served as one of the primary means of destroying and debasing the nuclear family. This stance put Kirk directly at odds with the establishment's most cherished indoctrination mechanism.
Turning Point USA responded to this crisis by creating a dedicated education division. Hutz Hertzberg, speaking on Newman's program, explained that Kirk recognized woke indoctrination happens long before students reach college—it occurs in high school, junior high, and even grade school. This insight led Kirk to make the intentional decision to address the issue earlier in the educational pipeline rather than waiting to undo years of ideological programming at the college level.
Deep State Targeting of Kirk and Turning Point USA
The effectiveness of Kirk's work made him a target of the deep state's propaganda apparatus. The Southern Poverty Law Center—what Newman calls the Soviet Poverty Law Center—took specific aim at Kirk, Turning Point USA, and associated figures including Newman himself. In 2024, the SPLC highlighted Turning Point's summit for educators featuring Newman, author of "Indoctrinating Our Children to Death: Government Schools' War on Faith, Family, and Freedom, and How to Stop It."
The SPLC even resorted to outright fabrication, claiming that at the educator summit, Newman declared public education went awry when the Supreme Court banned the Bible. In reality, Newman has consistently argued that the education system went wrong when government got involved in the first place, not when the Supreme Court delivered final blows decades later. This dishonesty reveals both the desperation and the methods of the deep state's propaganda organs.
The SPLC doesn't target individuals who pose no threat to the establishment except as window dressing to maintain credibility. Kirk's appearance on their radar confirmed his effectiveness in challenging the deep state's control over American youth. The organization's publication on Kirk, titled "The Christian Response to the Great Reset," featured a Bible verse on the cover: "Evildoers do not understand what is right, but those who seek the Lord understand it fully." This small piece of literature represented the kind of material that terrified establishment forces.
AmericaFest and the Fracturing of the Coalition
The first major Turning Point USA event following Kirk's death was AmericaFest, which drew an unprecedented 31,000 attendees to Phoenix, Arizona. The event had never before sold out or approached such numbers, indicating the movement's continued strength and growth even in Kirk's absence. However, what should have been a unifying memorial and strategic planning session descended into public division.
Rather than focusing on honoring Kirk's legacy, discussing midterm elections, or strategizing to save the constitutional republic, attendees found themselves embroiled in bitter disputes over Israel, America First ideology, and the influence of figures like Nick Fuentes. The division proved so severe that major podcasters and bloggers on opposite sides of these issues engaged in heated debates in hallways, quickly drawing crowds of 50 to 100 people recording the confrontations.
The media seized on these divisions with predictable enthusiasm. Headlines from across the political spectrum told a similar story:
- Fox News: "Rift in MAGA movement on full display at TPUSA's America Fest as Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson battle it out"
- Politico: "MAGA infighting erupts at Turning Point USA conference"
- NBC: "MAGA infighting over Israel and 2028 heats up at the Turning Point USA conference"
- Economic Times: "MAGA civil war erupts into the open at Turning Point Meeting"
- The Guardian: "Gripes and infighting on display as MAGA stars gather at Turning Point Conference"
- Daily Beast: "MAGA honors Charlie Kirk by fighting like dogs at his big bash"
While the divisions were real and not fabricated by media, the amplification and framing suggested coordination designed to undermine the movement at a vulnerable moment. Newman argues this represents the deep state in action, having mastered over generations the art of infiltrating movements, creating divisions, establishing circular firing squads, and installing false leaders.
Ben Shapiro's Call for Purges
Conservative commentator Ben Shapiro used his AmericaFest platform to call for purging various figures from the conservative movement, including Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and Stephen Bannon, labeling them frauds and grifters. Shapiro specifically attacked Owens for questioning the official narrative surrounding Kirk's death and for implicating various entities from French intelligence to Mossad to members of Turning Point USA itself in Kirk's murder or a cover-up.
Shapiro argued that people with microphones have a moral obligation to call out such speculation, particularly attacks implicating Erika Kirk and Turning Point USA staff members who worked closely with Charlie Kirk. He accused those refusing to condemn Owens's "truly vicious attacks" of cowardice, noting that some people speaking at the conference remained silent while Owens "vomited all sorts of hideous and conspiratorial nonsense into the public square for years."
This call for purges represents exactly the kind of gatekeeping that has historically weakened conservative movements. Newman draws a parallel to William F. Buckley, who served as an establishment gatekeeper attempting to keep genuine anti-globalist forces like the John Birch Society out of the conservative movement. While Shapiro's concerns about baseless speculation during a time of mourning have merit, the broader call to exclude major figures represents a dangerous path toward factional warfare rather than principled coalition-building.
The Nick Fuentes Problem
Central to the divisions at AmericaFest was the influence of Nick Fuentes and his followers, known as Groypers—a term derived from a version of Pepe the Frog in online meme culture. Multiple websites identified "Groyper" as the political word of the year for 2025, indicating the growing influence of this faction. Fuentes was platformed by Tucker Carlson in an interview where he appeared relatively mainstream, despite holding extreme views on Jews and other topics.
However, deeper examination reveals Fuentes advocates for positions fundamentally incompatible with constitutional conservatism. In his own words, Fuentes stated: "No, it's not the Jews. No, it's not women. No, it's not blacks. It's actually really complicated. No, it isn't at all. Jews are running society. Women need to shut up. Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part and we would live in paradise. It's that simple."
Beyond the obvious racism and misogyny, Fuentes explicitly advocates for dictatorship and authoritarian rule. Discussing Joe Biden's pardon of Hunter Biden, Fuentes stated: "I support it. Let the record show I support that because on some level I do believe the president should be above the law... I think they basically should be above the law. The pardon is the constitutional power of the president. There's nothing unlawful about using it... I think it's actually a good thing because maybe it paves the way for a future dictator because then they could always point back to this moment and say, 'Hey, Joe Biden pardoned his son, so now we're going to round up all the illegal immigrants and send them over the border and adjourn Congress and dismiss the courts.' So, I think it's a good sign. As an authoritarian, I feel emboldened by the decision."
Fuentes has organized his followers into a quasi-military structure with generals, colonels, and lieutenant colonels. These Groypers attended AmericaFest in force, infiltrating Q&A sessions and "prove me wrong" events, raising divisive topics designed to create conflict. Andrew Mueller, reporting for The New American from AmericaFest, personally encountered Alec Beaton, one of the top Groypers dressed in a white suit with a Nick Fuentes pin, who confirmed the organized Groyper presence via Telegram group chats.
The Real Danger of the Fuentes Faction
Mueller argues that focusing on Fuentes's racism and misogyny, while justified, misses the deeper threat. These flashy positions serve primarily to attract attention and go viral, catching low-IQ followers. The real agenda involves ushering in an authoritarian dictator to "right the wrongs" Fuentes identifies in American society—legitimate issues like the Daniel Penny case and the mistreatment of white men through DEI and CRT policies.
Rather than advocating for a return to constitutional governance and the founders' vision, Fuentes calls for installing a king or dictator—potentially himself—to obtain absolute power and transform America into an authoritarian, heavily racist regime through top-down federal power. Fuentes never encourages grassroots involvement, constitutional literacy, or bottom-up change of the kind advocated by organizations like the John Birch Society since 1958.
Human history demonstrates conclusively that kings, dictators, and tyrants never produce the outcomes their supporters hope for. Fuentes's vision would prove no exception. Yet his ability to diagnose real problems facing young men in America gives him credibility with a segment of disillusioned youth who lack the historical knowledge or philosophical grounding to recognize the dangers of his proposed solutions.
Not long before AmericaFest, Fuentes spoke about how Turning Point USA was "Charlie Kirk's baby" and how he had done something terrible to it—"impregnated it" with his minions and ideas. To Newman, this sounds precisely like a deep state subversion operation, whether Fuentes consciously serves the deep state and Satan or functions as an unwitting tool.
JD Vance's Call for Unity
Vice President JD Vance offered a different vision at AmericaFest, one focused on coalition-building rather than purges or authoritarian solutions. Vance argued that President Trump built the greatest coalition in politics precisely by refusing to run supporters through endless self-defeating purity tests. "Make America great again" serves as an invitation to every American regardless of race, economic status, age, location, or level of controversy.
"People of every faith come to our banner because they know that the America First movement will make their lives better," Vance explained. "And they also know that the Democrats don't care about anything other than maybe transing their kids. So if you love America, if you want all of us to be richer, stronger, safer, and prouder, you have a home on this team."
Vance's remarks positioned him as the likely GOP nominee for 2028, with Turning Point USA forces and much of the MAGA movement lining up behind him. His approach offers a middle path between Shapiro's call for purges and Fuentes's authoritarian vision—though it leaves unresolved the question of how to address genuinely destructive influences without becoming gatekeepers who exclude legitimate voices.
The Deep State Playbook in Action
Newman argues that the divisions at AmericaFest represent the deep state playbook in action. Over many generations, intelligence services and establishment forces have perfected techniques for infiltrating movements, creating divisions, establishing circular firing squads, and installing false leaders. When they couldn't control Charlie Kirk, they eliminated him. Now they seek to destroy the movement he built by fostering internal conflict at precisely the moment when the organization faces its greatest vulnerability.
The coordinated media coverage amplifying every division, the sudden prominence of figures advocating positions antithetical to constitutional conservatism, the attacks on key leaders from multiple directions—all suggest an orchestrated campaign rather than organic conflict. Young people attracted to Fuentes's message may have legitimate grievances, but they're being led not just astray but into something dangerous that would destroy rather than restore American freedoms.
The Turning Point USA divisions under Turning Point Faith and Turning Point Education continue the work Kirk began, understanding that the battle operates on multiple fronts simultaneously. The greatest threat to the nation remains the intentional supplanting of a dominant Christian worldview with pagan ideology designed to prepare Americans for Marxist tyranny. This indoctrination begins in early childhood through government schools and continues through higher education, media, and cultural institutions.
Moving Forward
Newman encourages those concerned about these developments to investigate both The New American magazine and the John Birch Society, organizations that have advocated for constitutional governance, grassroots action, and resistance to globalism for decades. The discussions happening within the conservative movement are important, but they must not degenerate into the kind of factional warfare that destroys effective opposition to the deep state agenda.
Charlie Kirk understood this clearly. He built bridges across demographic and ideological lines while maintaining clear principles rooted in the Constitution, Christian faith, and individual liberty. He diagnosed the threats facing America—the deep state, globalism, educational indoctrination, and spiritual warfare—with unusual clarity for someone in such a prominent position. His assassination removed a uniquely effective leader at a critical moment, but the movement he built continues.
The question now is whether that movement can resist the deep state's efforts to fracture it through infiltration, false leaders, and manufactured divisions. The answer will determine not just the fate of Turning Point USA but the broader prospects for restoring constitutional governance and defeating the globalist agenda that threatens American sovereignty and freedom. For those watching the Groypers and others caught up in authoritarian visions, the message is clear: legitimate grievances exist, but the solution must be found in America's founding principles, not in the dictatorship that has failed throughout human history.
Video Transcript
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Folks, in recent years, a movement has
appeared on the scene that I regard as a
genuine and very serious threat to the
deep state, the establishment's power.
Uh, and I believe we are now witnessing
a full-blown deep state attack in an
effort to destroy this movement. We'll
talk more about it throughout the show.
Welcome to Behind the Deep State. I'm
your host, Alex Newman, senior editor at
The New American Magazine. Now, in many
ways, this movement has existed for a
very long time. But the young, very
charismatic leader, Charlie Kirk, uh,
built this massive institution, Turning
Point USA. And, uh, you know, I I knew
Charlie. I worked with him. I spoke at
several of his events, including giving
keynote addresses. And so, I I'm
obviously a big Charlie Kirk fan. Uh we
did a a special tribute to him in this
issue of the New American magazine uh
Charlie Kirk and the nature of the
battle um that I wrote and obviously I
was a big Charlie Kirk fan but uh I he
understood a lot of what we're dealing
with right the deep state he understood
the threat of globalism he understand
that he understood the value of the US
constitution he understood the main
thing which is of course the Bible the
great commission the gospel uh but even
worse from the deep state's perspective
is that he was waking up millions of
young people who had been brainwashed by
these institutions that we I think very
misleadingly refer to as public
education, the government schools. Um,
and I think that's why he was such a
massive threat. Uh, all across the
political spectrum, all through all
different age groups, he was causing
incredible things. Just in the last few
days, we have actress Jenny McCarthy
revealing that it was Charlie Kirk's
assassination that led her to finally
and fully surrender her life to Jesus
Christ. So this movement that Charlie
built or or maybe more accurately the
movement that God built through Charlie
Kirk was a major major threat to the
deep state and I would say still is a
major threat to the deep state and so it
is in the crosshairs of the deep state
like any other movement that poses a
threat to these institutions to this
globalist agenda. Um for right now we
will reserve any comment on the murder
until there's a little bit more clarity.
Obviously, and I've said many times, I I
think the official narrative seems a
little bit suspicious so far. Uh but so
do some of the more outlandish theories
that are being put forth by various and
sunundry people uh in the conservative
movement or at least ostensibly in the
conservative movement. But it is clear
again that the movement is in the
crosshairs. Uh, and this was on full
display at Amfest, the first major
Turning Point USA event since the
passing of Charlie Kirk, unless you
count obviously the memorial uh,
celebrating his life and his martyrdom
where President Trump and many others
came. Uh, I want to show you just a
couple of clips showing uh, Charlie
Kirk's understanding of this because
you're not going to see a lot of this
from the media. You'll just see, you
know, if they show them at all. It's
just out of context clips where he says
something that the media wants you to
think is racist or sexist or whatever.
Uh here he is talking about the deep
state. Uh listen carefully to what he
says.
>> Our own government was turned against
the dulyeleed president. So here we are
now in the year of our lord 2025. Who's
running the United States government?
>> Great question.
>> And President Trump, he is now the
hunter. He was the hunted back in the
first term. I know what the grassroots
want. I know what President Trump wants.
We need per walks. We need arrests. We
need accountability. And if we do not
smash the administrative state in the
deep state in the coming 6 to 12 months,
then we're actually not going to we're
not going to bring this entire
intelligence apparatus to heal. We have
to lance the boil because it's gone so
out of control. And I can tell you they
are deeply fearful of this movement.
They know that we are aware. They notice
that they know that we are noticing
things, that we're seeing patterns, that
we know how powerful the intel agencies
have become. And so that's why I think
Russia Gate really matters is that it's
a way to hold them accountable to see
how um dark and honestly demonic their
activities have become and hopefully an
opportunity to fulfill a mandate that
President Trump ran on and I still know
believes to this day which is to bring
bring the deep state to hopefully smash
it or the very least bring it back into
balance.
>> And the deep state is the
intelligencies.
>> Well, that's the shadow government,
right? CIA. It's not the deep state.
Look,
>> it's not the education department. if I
could chime in. So, there's two types of
deep state, right? There's the
Department of Education deep state. They
just they just slow things down. That's
their only They leak and they delay,
right?
>> That's it. That's the deep state of the
Department of Labor. So, they oh, you're
getting some sort of executive order we
don't like. We're going to leak it to
the Washington Post. We're not going to
do what you you tell us. We're just
going to delay and we're going to last.
Okay, fine. We can deal with leaking and
delaying. The third of which though,
which the Department of Labor is not
doing, they're not configuring their
agency against the sovereign.
>> No.
>> They're probably not killing anyone.
>> No. Exactly. So the the intel agencies
in its, you know, in its inherited
composition from Joe Biden and how it's
been for the for last 40 years leaking
and delaying, they're like, "That's
child's play. Okay, we're going to go do
dirty dossas. We're going to spy. We're
going to employ feds. We're going to use
special agents, double agents. We're
going to use five eyes. We're going to
rely on our foreign partners to spy on
Americans domestically because we can't
do that." And they they're'll share the
intelligence. And so a lot of focus kind
of goes on, let's just say the lazy slop
of the people at the, you know,
Department of Interior. Okay, fine. We
can clean that up. God, you know, God
bless the people that want to do that.
But if we do not focus the energy of
this movement on the administrative
state, then we're we are going to have
elections in name only.
>> Uh, and and I mean, his organization put
out a lot of really good material on
this. This was given to me by a friend
in Canada by Charlie Kirk. The Christian
response to the great reset. Uh has a
Bible verse on the front. Evildoers do
not understand what is right, but those
who seek the Lord understand it fully.
It's it's a brilliant little piece of
literature. It's ironic that Charlie was
talking there about Russia Gate. In
fact, in this same issue where we have
the tribute to Charlie Kirk, I did an
article with the great General Michael
Flynn, Justice for Russia, where we talk
about how the deep state targeted uh key
people. It's actually Michael Flynn's
personal story of being targeted by the
deep state. But Charlie Kirk was one of
the few people in in a very prominent
position to really shine a light on
this, to really talk about these things
that are so essential. And uh he talked
about a lot of other things, too. Here
he's talking about the super government.
I want you to listen to this. The super
government uh that operates in the
United States that is so incredibly
dangerous. Listen to this. The Central
Intelligence Agency is actively involved
in mind manipulation of people here
domestically and that is completely
against the CIA charter. You must
understand we have Congress and they're
just kind of like a peanut gallery and
then we have a super government that
exists above Congress of the Department
of Defense which is the Pentagon, the
Central Intelligence Agency which is own
thing out in Langley, the Federal Bureau
of Investigation. They run the country.
The intel agencies run the country.
>> You're absolutely right. We got a whole
chapter on that in my book on the deep
state folks. Uh he also understood that
the solution was not democracy quote
unquote. Uh actually we are a republic.
Again very few people in this kind of
position of prominence were willing to
say stuff like this. But listen
>> structure of government that we have.
You know we're told that it's a
democracy when in reality it should be a
republic. But in actuality we argue that
it's an oligarchy. that we have a small
group of powerful people that are
disconnected with the wants and the
needs and the concerns of the everyday
American that truly don't even care. In
fact, they have disgust for the American
people.
>> So, there you have it folks, right? He
understood what we were dealing with. He
understood that Marxists had infiltrated
the government. Listen to this.
>> This is the red green axis and Britain
is at the forefront of this. You have
the Marxists that have infiltrated your
government and the Islamists that are
coming to your country. And when they
combine together, they both agree on one
thing. They have huge disagreements on a
lot. They hate the West and they want to
see it broken.
>> Again, folks, very few people at at that
level are willing to talk about these
things. Uh Charlie also understood that
ultimately this threat was demonic at
its core. I had him on my program uh
about maybe 10 months before he was
martyed and he explained this. Listen.
>> Yeah. I I think the threat is demonic in
its core and the woke takes the form of
an unclean spirit. uh the unclean spirit
takes the form of the woke.
>> So the threat is demonic at its core
folks. And uh Charlie understood that.
He also understood that one of the main
weapons of this demonic threat, this
deep state threat to our country, to our
freedom, to everything we hold dear is
the indoctrination of our children. Uh
here is Charlie again on my program
talking about exactly this.
>> I know enough having visited over 150
colleges and having been in the space.
We have the whole premise of education
wrong. You do not make children. You
allow children to grow and you have them
grow into what they ought to be and you
give them direction and guidance. Uh but
they children are not something to be
engineered. They're not something to be
configured. Uh they are to um they are
to love learning more than anything
else. You see the modern education
project is Prussian in its core. At its
core, uh it is focused on administrative
state, administrative bureaucracy to try
to make um a population more subservient
and obedient. The the former the form of
education that we should be embracing is
the classical form of education that is
rooted in what is good, true and
beautiful or what is eternal rather than
what is temporal. And we talk about this
in the book. The immediate way that we
stop it uh what is happening in the
country when it comes to education is we
must have a renaissance and a revival of
homeschooling in this country. That is
the first thing is that we must continue
to see that expansion. We must have more
and more parents that are unafraid to
homeschool their children. And uh then
secondly understand the government has
no role in education. I know that's a
radical statement to say, but the
government in education is is one of the
ways we have seen the destruction and
the debasing of the nuclear family. So
there you have it, folks. He understood
the deep state, the demonic threat that
we're facing, how they're brainwashing
our children, and he was waking up
millions of young people to these
realities. It was so bad that the deep
state tentacle called the Southern
Poverty Law Center, I call it the Soviet
Poverty Law Center, actually took aim at
Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA, and
even brought me in. And they said in
2024, Turning Point had a summit for
educators featuring Alex Newman, a
longtime contributor to the New American
Magazine, author of the book,
Indoctrinating Our Children to Death:
Government Schools, War on Faith,
Family, and Freedom, and How to Stop It.
Uh, and they actually lied. They said at
TPUSA's Educator Summit, Newman declared
that public education went ary when the
Supreme Court banned the Bible. They
banned prayer course. I would never say
that. I've been saying from the
beginning. the education system went
arry when the government got involved in
the first place, not when the Supreme
Court put the final nails in the coffin.
So, uh, that's how dishonest the deep
state's propaganda machine, the deep
state's organs are. But, uh, it shows
you that they were really after this
guy, right? The SPLC doesn't target
people who aren't a threat to the deep
state except as window dressing. Uh, and
and to their credit, Turning Point USA's
folks are still leading this charge. Uh
here is Lucas Miles, senior director at
TPUSA Faith, talking about the greatest
threat to our nation. I want you to hear
this. The greatest threat to this
nation, I think right now is an
intentional supplanting of a dominant
Christian worldview with pagan ideology
for the purpose of really setting the
stage for the American people to be able
to embrace Marxist ideology. Marxism and
Christianity are antithetical to one
another. We saw a temporary time where
you have this thing called progressive
Christianity or the Christian left where
these these two entities kind of go side
by side. Marxism is a parasite and it's
used the church as a distribution center
for a time, but it's not the church is
not a good long-term vehicle for
Marxism. you'll eventually either
deconstruct from your faith and leave
the church uh as the Marxist side of
that takes over or if you actually open
up the Bible and read it, you'll
recognize that Marxism and Christianity
don't go hand in hand and you'll reject
Marxism eventually. And so long-term
Marxists needed a different vehicle and
I believe the vehicle that they have
grabbed a hold of is pagan in nature. Uh
we can see this in everything from you
know witchcraft to uh occultic practices
to tarot to theosophy and the UN to uh
you know to ultimately you know things
like Islam I think to some degree where
you see this hybridization where there
is a critical paganism that has emerged
and that seems to be what has given
paganism this new life and helped to
resuscitate it uh in kind of this
revivalistic sort of stance of its own
that we're seeing across this nation.
So, the Turning Point USA faith division
is working in the church to deal with
this threat. Then you've got the Turning
Point Education Division. Here's Hutz
Herzburg came on my program recently to
discuss what they are still working on
here. And if anybody had a pulse on what
was happening on college campuses, it
was Charlie. And Charlie began to see
what some others of us were also seeing
independently. And that is the
indoctrination, the woke indoctrination
that you you speak so powerfully about,
Alex, which we appreciate. so much. It
was actually happening and is happening
long before the students get to college.
And Charlie began to see this. It's
happening in high school and junior
high. We would even say it's happening
in grade school, unfortunately. And so
Charlie made the intentional decision
that we wanted to do something to
address the issue sooner rather than
wait till they get to college when
you're trying to undo all of the woke
ideologies that are already baked into
these students uh earlier on.
>> Powerful stuff, folks. Uh so now this
brings us to Amfest, right? Uh this is
the first uh big TPUSA gathering again
with the exception of Charlie Kirk's
memorial uh since his tragic martyrdom,
since his passing. And if you look at
the fake media and what they had to say
about it, uh it's very very clear that
there's an agenda here. Uh we're going
to bring on Andrew Mueller in just a
moment. He was there covering this for
the New American magazine. He was on the
ground uh and doing a lot of great work
there. But I want you to look at some of
these headlines. Right, here's Fox News
rift in MAGA movement on full display at
TPUSA's America Fest as Ben Shapiro,
Tucker Carlson battle it out. You've got
Politico, MAGA infighting erupts at
Turning Point USA conference. You got
NBC fake news, MAGA infighting over
Israel in 2028 heats up at the Turning
Point USA conference. You've got the
Economic Times MAGA civil war erupts
into the open at Turning Point Meeting.
You've got the Guardian far-left
propaganda organ in the UK. gripes and
infighting on display as MAGA stars
gather at Turning Point Conference.
Daily Beast, MAGA honors Charlie Kirk by
fighting like dogs at his big bash. Um,
you've got uh Ben Shapiro uh definitely
not my favorite commentator uh talking
about how the conservative movement
needs to throw out everybody from Tucker
Carlson to Candace Owens to Steve
Bannon. They're all frauds and grifters.
Um, listen to these remarks. So if
Candace Owens decides to spend every day
since the murder of Charlie Kirk casting
aspersions at TPUSA and the people who
work here who worked with Charlie every
single day his best friends to cast
dispersions at Mikey McCoy and Andrew
Kovvin and Blake Nef and Tyler Ber and
yes at Erica Kirk and to imply or
outright claim complicity in a cover up
over Charlie's murder to spew absolutely
baseless trash implicating everyone from
French intelligence to MSAD to members
of TPUSA in Charlie's murder or a cover
up in that murder, then we as people
with a microphone have a moral
obligation to call that out by name.
[cheering]
Erica Kirk and TPUSA never never should
have put in never should have been put
in the position to have to defend
themselves against such specious and
evil attacks, particularly in a time of
mourning.
[applause]
And the people who refuse to condemn
Candace's truly vicious attacks, and
some of them are speaking here, are
guilty of cowardice.
Yes, cowardice.
[applause]
The fact that they have said nothing
while Candace has been vomiting all
sorts of hideous and conspiratorial
nonsense into the public square for
years is just as cowardly.
>> All right, folks. Well, there you go.
Uh, and he had a lot of other comments
about others as well. Um JD Vance had
some thoughts on this, but let's go to
Andrew. Uh Andrew, thanks for joining us
today. Um I know you were just at
Amfest. Uh I would love to get your
thoughts. I mean, you were you were
there. You saw these divisions. You and
I have have talked about it. Obviously
um the divisions were real. This isn't
something that the media made up, but um
what was going on there?
>> Well, Alex, you had 31,000 people in
Phoenix, Arizona for this event. Now,
you have to understand Amfest has been a
popular event that's been going on for
about the past 5 years, but they never
sold out. They never even got close to
having 30 th 1,000 people there. So, it
was massive. And you think that we would
spend the time there at Amfest honoring
Charlie Kirk, who was just martyed a
little over 3 months ago, talking about
the midterms, how do we save our
constitutional republic? But actually,
what everyone was ending up beefing over
was Israel, Nick Fuentes, this idea of
what is America first. And this
division, this chasm was so severe,
Alex, that I can't tell you how many
times I was walking through the hallway
and a big podcaster would meet a big
blogger who'd be on opposite side of
this issue and they'd start debating and
screaming at each other and 50, 100
people would gather them, start taking
videos and photos. This beef, this chasm
is real. It's tearing apart the
coalition and we have to set the record
straight and get to the bottom of it and
reunify to save our constitutional
republic. I believe that's what Charlie
Kirk would have wanted and that's what
needs to happen. But there's no doubt
that this division and this civil war is
real and it's happening. Yeah. And you
know the deep state over many
generations has mastered the art of
infiltrating movements, dividing
movements, fracturing movements, uh
turning movements into circular firing
squads, putting up fake leaders. Um it
seems to me like they couldn't control
Charlie Kirk and so they tried to take
him out. Now, uh, one of the key
characters here, you mentioned him
briefly, Andrew, is Nick Fuentes. Uh, I
didn't know a whole lot about Nick
Fuentes before he was platformed by
Tucker Carlson. And if you listen to
that interview, he sounds like a fairly
normal guy. I mean, yeah, he's got some
weird opinions. I like Stalin, you know,
Jews are bad. That obviously, uh, very
strange, but you wouldn't really get the
whole depth of the dangerous agenda that
he's advocating from that interview. Uh
we've got a few clips from him that I
want people to listen to because what
he's really advocating for is actually
like fullblown
dictatorship. Um and and those are his
words, right, that we need a
dictatorship. Uh he obviously hates
Jews. Uh let's start with his his
thoughts on the Jews and and blacks and
others.
>> No, it's not the Jews. No, it's not
women. No, it's not blacks. It's
actually really complicated. No, it
isn't at all. Jews are running society.
Women need to shut the up. Blacks need
to be imprisoned for the most part and
we would LIVE IN PARADISE. IT'S THAT
SIMPLE. YEAH, that's absolutely insane.
[laughter] Now, uh he's also a big
advocate of dictatorship as I mentioned.
Uh he wants a dictator. That's not my
opinion. Here he is in his own words.
Hunter Biden was convicted on gun
charges and other charges earlier in the
year and would face sentencing.
They said as of just last week that a
pardon was off the table. White House
said they weren't even considering it.
And then yesterday they did it. Joe
Biden pardoned his son. Full pardon. So
now he's clean and he he gets away.
Well, I support it. Let the record show
I support that because on some level I
do believe the president should be above
the law. A lot of people think that's
hypocritical.
I don't think it's hypocritical at all.
I think it is totally
humiliating as a country to subject the
president or his family to that ordeal.
I I think they basically
uh within reason I think they basically
should be above the law. The pardon is
the constitutional power of the
president. There's nothing unlawful
about using it and everybody likes to
pratt on about fairness and all these
kinds of things. The law is the law and
he used it and it's good and I think we
should get used to that. I think it's
actually a good thing because maybe it
paves the way for a future dictator
because then they could always point
back to this moment and say, "Hey, Joe
Biden pardoned his son, so now we're
going to round up all the illegal
immigrants and send them over the border
and adjourn Congress and dismiss the
courts." So, I think it's a good sign.
As an authoritarian, I feel emboldened
by the decision. Andrew, you were there
and you said that uh Nick Fuentes
followers were very well represented
there. And folks, I do want to apologize
in advance for the the cursing.
Obviously, we had to bleep it out. Um
but I I want you to know from from this
guy's own words what he's about. Um, not
that long ago, he actually talked about
he how uh Turning Point USA was Charlie
Kirk's baby and how he had done
something terrible to it and impregnated
it with his minions, with his ideas. Um,
that to me sounds like a deep state
subversion operation. Whether Nick
Fentes is consciously working for the
deep state, consciously working for
Satan or not, it sure sounds like that.
But a lot of his guys were there, huh,
Andrew?
>> Yeah, Alex. So, the the Gropers they
call them. These are people who follow
Nick Fuentes. The name Goriper comes
from um the meme universe, the online
meme universe. The Groper is a version
of Pepe the Frog. It's all sounds
ridiculous, but these are the verbiages
they use. Um a lot of websites were
calling Groper the political word of the
year this year for 2025, but the Gropers
were there in full force at Amfest. I
actually met one of the top gropers. Now
you see because Dick Nick Fuentes loves
um the whole authoritarianist
um you know dictator mentality. He
actually has people that are generals,
colonels, lieutenant colonels, etc. And
his little Gorder army and they go to
events like Afest. They infiltrate uh
Q&A sessions and prove me wrongs. They
get in the question lines and they bring
up insane topics. And I actually met one
of them. His name was Alec Beaton. Uh he
was dressed in a full white suit. He had
a Nick Fuentes pin on. I went up to him.
I said, "Do you work for Nick Fuentes?"
He said, "Yes, he's my friend." I said,
"Are the Gropers here at Amfest?" He
said, "Yes, we are." And I saw on his
phone, he had a group chat on Telegram
of all the gropers that were at Amfest.
Another guy, Myron Gaines, who is a big
gorer, he was also there. And they were
causing arguments. They were getting in
fights with people. They were pushing
this idea. But Alex, I think what people
miss is they end up focusing on Nick
Fuentes's racism, Nick Fuentes's
misogyny. But ultimately, that's just
the flashy stuff to get him attention.
That's flashy stuff to go viral to catch
low IQ people's attention. What he
really wants to do is bring about a
dictator, an authoritarian to come into
the United States. And he makes that
case by taking issues like Daniel Penny,
which you just heard, where he takes
issues like the way white men have been
mistreated in this country through DEI
and CRT, and he takes these issues and
he says, "Let's have a king come and
write these wrongs. Let's have a
dictator come and write these wrongs."
And he doesn't want to get back to our
constitutional system of government. He
doesn't want to get back to the founding
father's recipe. He wants to usher in an
authoritarian, an American like Hitler
that could be himself to write these
so-called wrongs, obtain absolute power,
and change the United States of America
into an authoritarian heavily heavily uh
racist and evil country. And he wants to
do that through top- down federal power.
Nick Fuentes is never going to tell you
to get involved at the grassroots level.
He's never going to tell you to read the
Constitution. And he's never going to
tell you to get involved through
bottom-up change like we've been saying
at the John Burch Society and the New
American since 1958. He doesn't believe
in that. He believes in having and
installing an authoritarian to come in
and to so-called fix a lot of these
problems. And he diagnoses the problems
correctly. But his solution is an
authoritarian regime that would come in
and write the wrongs. And human history
proves, Alex, that kings, dictators,
potates, and um and these massive
tyrants, they never work. and Nick
Fuentes's version also wouldn't work.
>> Yeah, that's it's crazy and and very
creepy to me. The the anti-semitism just
off the charts, the hatred of um people
and you know, a lot of these young
disillusioned guys that are are
following him, you know, they they have
some concerns that are valid, but
they're being led uh not just astray,
but they're being led into something
very very dangerous. And unfortunately,
uh, we're seeing the effect of this in
terms of, for example, being able to
undermine the important work that
organizations like Turning Point USA
have been doing. And I think we're going
to see a lot more of this. So for the
gripers watching, um, you know, there
there are, of course, real concerns that
should be talked about, but the solution
doesn't need to be killing Jews,
bringing in a dictator, imprisoning
black people, um, you know, raping and
beating women. And I mean these things
are just I can't even believe we have to
say this but uh these things are
obviously uh crazy and insane. Um now JD
Vance had some really important remarks
at the conference. Uh I want to play
those quick. Uh he essentially argued
that we don't want to uh basically the
purging people and and in one sense I
agree. Uh, you know, William Buckley, I
think, served as a a an establishment
gatekeeper for the conservative
movement, trying to keep out genuine
forces like the John Burch Society that
were trying to uh save America from
globalism, restore our constitution. Um,
but at some point we need to say Nazis,
National Socialists are not
conservatives. They're certainly not
Christians. What are national socialists
trying to conserve? So, here's uh JD
Vance. Let's listen to him.
President Trump did not build the
greatest coalition in politics by
running his supporters through endless
self-defeating purity tests. He says,
"Make America great again because every
American is invited. We don't care if
you're white or black, rich or poor,
young or old, rural or urban,
controversial or a little bit boring or
somewhere in between. People of every
faith come to our banner because they
know that the America First movement
will make their lives better. And they
also know that the Democrats don't care
about anything other than maybe transing
their kids. So if you love America, if
you want all of us to be richer,
stronger, safer, and prouder, you have a
home on this team. So there you have it.
Vice President J. D. Vance uh already
looking like he will be the GOP nominee
in 2028. Obviously, there's a lot of
time between now and then, but Turning
Point USA forces lining up behind him
and uh many others in the MAGA movement.
Uh folks, uh important discussions being
had here. And I think discussions are
important, but it looks to me like we're
watching the deep state in action here,
trying to take down an organization that
was playing a big role in waking up
young people, getting them involved in
something productive, getting them uh
thinking clearly about things,
deprogramming them from the lies. I do
encourage you to go check out the
newame.com. Also check out the John
Burge Society. We're just plain out of
time today. It passes so quickly. We had
so much more we wanted to share, but
we'll have to catch you again next week.
We hope you had a wonderful new year. We
hope you have a wonderful 2026 ahead.
And folks, watch out for the deep state
schemes. I'm Alex Newman, senior editor
at the New American. This is Behind the
Deep State. Until next time, thanks for
watching. We appreciate you. God bless
you all.